All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped

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1. Mahesh Raja says:

   6. May 2018 at 2:15 am

   There has been some folks who have put out a theory that the world is flat like a round-about on the road. This is a BIG concoction. Consider this with common-sense: if it was flat then how come ships do not fall off? So – even logically it does not make any sense.

   Srila Prabhupada explains very clearly it is EGG SHAPED. Also – there is further explanation on how the planet earth rotates:

   Morning Walk
   —
   February 4, 1976, Mayapura

   Prabhupada: Then, in the morning, it rises reddish. So why it does not look reddish always if it is fixed?
   Harikesa: Well, the material scientists say it’s because of the atmospheric condition. It refracts the light in such a way that it becomes reddish. That’s what they say. Because it’s thicker atmosphere. You have to look through more atmos…
   Prabhupada: Then how it comes so high? After few hours it goes so high.
   Harikesa: Well, there is less atmosphere to look through. Why it goes up there?
   Prabhupada: So that means move?
   Harikesa: No, no. Because we’re moving this way. The earth is rotating.
   Prabhupada: You are moving, but why you say sometimes this position and sometimes that position?
   Harikesa: Because the earth also moves like this. It’s going around the sun, and then every day it rotates once.
   Prabhupada: Hm?
   Harikesa: It rotates on an axis like this. So therefore the sun seems to go around, but actually it’s the earth that goes around.
   Prabhupada: Now, if you measure when this sun and when it comes meridian distance, so do you think the earth is moving so quickly? It is… According to their modern science, the earth is moving twenty-five thousand miles only throughout… No, within twenty-four hours.
   Harikesa: That’s around the sun.
   Prabhupada: Huh? Then is it possible…
   Jagadisa: Twenty-four-hour day, twenty-five thousand miles circumference.
   Prabhupada: So how earth has gone so quickly round that it is seen, the different position of the sun? This means sun is not fixed. Sun is moving. And in the Bhagavata it is said that it is moving at the rate of sixteen thousand miles per second. I think I have calculated that. Sixteen thousand miles.
   Hrdayananda: Prabhupada? Does that mean that the sun is going around the earth?
   Prabhupada: Hm?
   Hrdayananda: Is the sun going around the earth?
   Prabhupada: Sun is going around the whole planetary system.
   Tamala Krsna: The scientists think the whole planetary system is going around the sun.
   Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, earth is also moving?
   Prabhupada: Hm?
   Bhavananda: Earth planet is also moving?
   Prabhupada: Along with all other stars. That you can see at night.
   Tamala Krsna: They are all moving around the polestar.
   Prabhupada: Yes.
   Hrdayananda: So that means that the more we learn material education, (we’re) just becoming more and more foolish.
   Prabhupada: Yes. Material education means mudha. This is also material education, the movement of the sun. But they are not perfect.
   Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, if the earth is moving so fast, why isn’t everything blown off?
   Prabhupada: Huh?
   Bhavananda: WHY ARE WE NOT BLOWN OFF THE SURFACE OF THIS PLANET? NOW IT’S MOVING SO FAST. HOW ARE WE ABLE TO REMAIN HERE AND NOT BE BLOWN OFF?
   Prabhupada: I do not follow.
   Bhavananda: The planet is moving…
   Harikesa: HE’S SAYING, “WE’RE MOVING, SO THEREFORE THE WIND SHOULD BLOW EVERYBODY OFF, THE SPEED.”
   Hrdayananda: Why is everything so peaceful if we’re moving so fast?
   Prabhupada: Which is moving so fast?
   Hrdayananda: Well, Bhavananda said…
   Bhavananda: Planet, this planet is moving so fast, but it doesn’t appear to be moving at all.
   Prabhupada: SUPPOSE A SMALL ANT IS ON SOME BIG WHEEL, DOES IT FEEL ANYTHING, MOVEMENT? A BIG WHEEL AND A SMALL ANT. WHAT HE WILL FEEL? THIS IS CALLED RELATIVITY. LAW OF RELATIVITY. WHY YOU ARE THINKING THAT RELATIVELY YOU ARE VERY BIG? THAT IS YOUR FOOLISHNESS. YOU ARE NOTHING, INSIGNIFICANT. THEREFORE YOU ARE SURPRISED WHEN KRSNA APPEARED AS VARAHA-MURTI, TO TAKE THE WHOLE EARTH ON HIS NOSE. WHO WILL SAY IT IS MYTHOLOGY? YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW GREAT KRSNA CAN BECOME. MAHATO MAHIYAN. ANU… WHAT IS THAT?
   Hrdayananda: Anor ani…
   Sastriji: Anor aniyan anusmared yah.
   Prabhupada: Anor aniyan mahato mahiyat. So He is greater than the greatest. Yasodamayi thought that “My child are eating earth? So show.” She saw all the planetary system within His mouth. So she thought, “What is this? All right, don’t do this.” (laughs)

   76-04-27. Letter: Svarupa Damodara
   Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the UNIVERSE IS JUST LIKE A TREE, WITH ROOT UPWARDS . JUST AS A TREE HAS BRANCHES AND LEAVES SO THE UNIVERSE IS ALSO COMPOSED OF PLANETS WHICH ARE FIXED UP IN THE TREE LIKE THE LEAVES, FLOWERS, FRUITS, ETC. OF THE TREE. THE PIVOT IS THE POLE STAR, AND THE WHOLE TREE IS ROTATING ON THIS PIVOT. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. THE PLANETS HAVE THEIR FIXED ORBITS, BUT STILL THEY ARE TURNING WITH THE TURNING OF THE GREAT TREE. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
   WE CAN SEE THAT AT NIGHT, HOW THE WHOLE PLANETARY SYSTEM IS TURNING AROUND, THE POLE STAR BEING THE PIVOT. EACH PLANET HAS ITS ORBIT FIXED BUT THE SUN IS MOVING UP AND DOWN, NORTH AND SOUTH. It is not that we shall accept the theory that the sun is fixed up and the others are all going around the sun. That is not correct. Even the 7th star is rotating once around the pole star in each 24 hours. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. THE SUN IS GOING NORTH AND SOUTH, IT HAS ITS OWN ORBIT BELOW THE MOON. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
   I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
2. Acsd says:

   6. May 2018 at 6:12 am

   pamho
   agtacbsp.

   there is so much enjoyment and suffering also just by thinking in the sample of kc used to say hdg acbsp.there are different destinations in this ekamsena stitho jagat.

   the seven planets under ground are for all the fake guru and disciples the polar star dhruva loka is for the sincere sadhaka followers of the sanatana dharma the heaven is for the pious and not envious souls but many of them become envious in heaven therefore they will come back on this earth planet to become free from envy by living with envious people who are worse then ruru snakes in hell because we must use the same thing to get rid of the unwanted thing.

   we know karma is not free neither eternal by fortune we just pass through this foreign land of maha maya to get better destination and not the worse as many false followers of sp are going to get after the so called death.

   agtsp
   ys haribol
3. Amar Puri says:

   6. May 2018 at 7:22 pm

   In the words of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada as described in the Article ;

   ” SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND. ”

   Srila Prabhupada describes the word ANDA as ROUND, EGG SHAPE, BALL, GLOBE which literally means in terms of the Planets and the Universe is shaped ROUND like the Leaf of a Lotus Flower as per Fifth Canto, Sixteen Chapter, Text 5 reads ;

   ” The planetary system known as Bhū-maṇḍala resembles a lotus flower, and its seven islands resemble the whorl of that flower. The length and breadth of the island known as Jambūdvīpa, which is situated in the middle of the whorl, are one million yojanas [eight million miles]. Jambūdvīpa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower.”

   Mahesh Raja says:
   6. May 2018 at 2:15 am
   There has been some folks who have put out a theory that the world is flat like a round-about on the road. This is a BIG concoction. Consider this with common-sense: if it was flat then how come ships do not fall off? So — even logically it does not make any sense.

   OFCOURSE, it makes sense when you come to read and understand exactly what Srila Prabhupada wishes the Bhu Mandala AS IT IS be presented per the fifth canto exactly as it is described.

   The reality of the earth’s physical plane has so far been neglected by the devotees working on this subject. However, I find Shriman Mayesvara Das writing is very interesting indeed on the Cosmology of the Bhu Mandala. I also noticed that his ego is inflated when he wrote Srila Prabhupada’s UNFAMILIARITY of the subject on the Universe cosmos description in the SB. minimizing Srila Prabhupada’s position in his writing which caught my eyes and I wrote to him which I reproduce my emails exchanges here below for Readers’ perusal.

   By the way, there is no such name found as Earth globe described in Srimad Bhagavatam. As it appears Bharata-varsha is simply one small part of a continual ROUND earth plane of the the leaf of a lotus flower of the Jambu Devipa as per Fifth Canto Sixteen chapter description by Srila Prabhupada ;

   ” SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND. ”

   Here below are the emails exchanges with Shriman Mayesvara Das on the subject ;

   On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:10 PM, amar puri wrote:
   Shriman Mayesvara Das Prabhu,

   PAMHO. AGTSP.

   Thank you for your reply.

   It seems that you did not read carefully enough to understand what Srila Prabhupada says which I brought out to your kind attention in my detailed email messages asking questions to you regarding your belief of using the word ” SRILA PRABHUPADA’S UNFAMILIARITY .. about the Cosmos description in the SB. written by Srila Prabhupada ” which created unnecessarily misunderstanding and even misleading towards Blasphemy to Srila Prabhupada.

   Why I say ” BLASPHEMY ” because you continue repeating the same tone in your answer such as ;

   ” We used the word unfamiliarity perhaps incorrectly, but merely to explain that Srila Prabhupada did not present himself as an expert on the subject and requested his disciples to “carefully study the details of the fifth canto and present a working model of the universe” (Letter from Srila Prabhupada to Svarupa Damodara dasa, April 27, 1976). ”

   WHY are you NOT understanding and accepting as to why Srila Prabhupada asked his disciples to carefully study the details of the fifth canto and present a working model of the universe which I have brought it out in my last email message ?

   Here below I reproduce the same again for your kind perusal ;

   ” No doubt, the presented Map of Bhu Mandala by the devotees for Srila Prabhupada’s approval was indeed not upto the standard knowledge written in the Srimad Bhagvatma by Srila Prabhupada.

   That is why during the discussion of Bhu Manadala about the FLAT or ROUND conversations of Srila Prabhupada with the people and his devotees around him seem to be puzzling because they couldn’t ascertain the information Srila Prabhupada has written in the Srimad Bhagvatam. That is why Srila Prabhupada advised them to seek the help from the mundane expert Vedic astronomers in India for drawing the maps for the Vedic planetarium.

   During that discussion Śrīla Prabhupāda himself acknowledged his own limitations speaking of his difficultly in relaying the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam’s description of the universe to his disciples :
   Prabhupāda: And it was not possible for me to digest. (laughs) Somebody else helped me to… I am a layman. I do not know.
   Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How did you write it?
   Prabhupāda: That somebody, Kṛṣṇa, helped me. That He manufactured.
   Yaśodānandana: And these mountains, they extend to the beaches. “It is considered, according to the Bhāga…”
   Prabhupāda: When I was writing, I was praying Kṛṣṇa that “I do not actually accommodate all this knowledge. Please help me.” Yes. That’s all right.
   (Room Conversation, June 18 1977, Vṛndāvana)
   https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/jun/vrndavana/june/18/1977

   Thus, Lord Shri Krishna indeed helped His Representative to write down the information in the Srimad Bhagvatam in the Fifth Canto and other literature.

   Whatever it is written in the SB. the devotees, disciples could not grasp the information as explained during the recorded conversation of Srila Prabhupada, and thus the devotees failed to put it into the proper Map to the satisfaction of Srila Prabhupada as per the SB.

   That is the reason Śrīla Prabhupāda again mentioned to one astronomer about the Bhu- Manadala MAP devotees produced which was not up to the satisfaction of Srila Prabhupada :

   Prabhupāda: I have tried to translate it as far as possible, but I am not satisfied.
   (Conversation with India Astronomer, April 30 1977, Bombay)
   https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/apr/conversation_with_vedic_astronomer/bombay/april/30/1977

   Prabhupāda: Take the version of Bhāgavatam.
   (Discussions about Bhū-maṇḍala, July 5 1977, Vṛndāvana )
   https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/jul/discussion_about_bhu-mandala/vrndavana/july/05/1977

   Prabhu with all due respect, based on the above mentioned circumstances, HOW an intelligent, WISE person, can come to this conclusion ;

   ” Śrīla Prabhupāda himself acknowledged his own limitations speaking of his difficultly in conceiving the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam’s description of the universe. ”

   N.B : Giving you the benefit of doubt that Srila Prabhupada has his limitations in conceiving the SB, then, his writings are not authentic. Is that what you believe in ?
   ALSO, particularly, when you, Mayesvara dasa Prabhu write such as this ; ” Despite Srila Prabhupada’s unfamiliarity with all the details of Bhu-mandala, ….”

   How can any body with the right mind can write like this ?

   Has Srila Prabhupada NOT written all the details of Bhu-mandala in His writing ?

   Who is at the difficulty in conceiving the Srimad Bhagavatam’s description of the Universe ?

   Is it NOT Srila Prabhupada’s Neophyte DEVOTEES having such difficulty in conceiving the description of the Bhu Mandala ?

   Is this NOT minimizing Srila Prabhupada’s authority when you write this type of word, ” SRILA PRABHUPADA’S UNFAMILIARITY ” ?

   DOES THIS NOT MISLEAD, misguide and misinterpret and creates TONS of misunderstanding UNNECESSARILY ?

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   Prabhu with all due respect, can you please answer the above cited questions, if your intentions are NOT the same as of the 11 GBC who turned against Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th letter and His VANI to adapt and adopt to their present hidden agenda to bring Srila Prabhupada mission up side down for their own motivated SELF INTERESTED interpretation of Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.

   I hope sincerely that you do not mind about being frank and straight forward writing.

   OM TAT SAT.

   Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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   From: Mayesvara Das
   Sent: February 27, 2018 7:33 AM

   To: amar puri
   Subject: Re: New article, Conversation With Vedic Astronomer, by Mayesvara Das http://www.harekrsna.com/…/editor…/01-18/editorials15707.htm
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   Thank you Prabhu,

   I have said as much as I would like to say on the issue, and If you take the wrong meaning from my words that is your prerogative. Rather than trying to find fault, you should be appreciative that Krishna is giving you a glimpse of the real Earth.

   Perhaps there is something in the psychology of certain disciples who declare omniscience and infallibility on the part of Sri guru for the sole purpose of feeling that they (the disciple of someone omnipotent) must also be of the same infallible nature—someone who knows everything and is incapable of being wrong! Srila Prabhupada himself rejected the idea that an acharya is omniscient and must know everything:

   Prabhupada: Yes. Acarya is explained, bhakti-samsanah: “One who’s preaching the cult of devotional service, he’s acarya.” Then why should you find any discrepancy?
   Jayadvaita: Because we see … For instance, sometimes the acarya may seem to forget something or not to know something, so from our point of view, if someone has forgotten, that is an imperfection.
   Prabhupada: Then you do not understand. Acarya is not God, omniscient. He is servant of God. His business is to preach bhakti cult. That is acarya.
   Jayadvaita: And that is the perfection.
   Prabhupada: That is the perfection. Hare Krishna.
   Jayadvaita: So we have a misunderstanding about what perfection is?
   Prabhupada: Yes. Perfection is here, how he is preaching bhakti cult. That’s all.
   Satsvarupa: Prabhupada, in one purport in the Bhagavad-gita, you write that a disciple of a bona fide spiritual master is supposed to know everything.
   Prabhupada: Yes, if he follows the spiritual master.
   Satsvarupa: But how could he know? … What does that mean, “everything?”
   Prabhupada: Everything means whatever his guru knows, he should know, that much. Not like God, everything. Within his limit, that’s all. If he tries to understand whatever his guru has said, that much is “everything.” Otherwise, “everything” does not mean that we know everything, like God, like Krishna. That is not possible. If he regularly chants and follows the regulative principles, follows the orders of guru, then he knows everything. That’s all. Not very much … knows everything, then what is the use of reading books when he knows everything? You cannot expect anyone to know like Krishna, everything.
   Jayadvaita: Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita that one who knows Him knows everything.
   Prabhupada: Yes. Because if he knows that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he knows everything. That’s all. Not that he should know as Krishna. Yasmin vijnate sarvam eva vijnatam … If he accepts Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth, then he knows everything. That is finish.(April 8 1975, Mayapur, Morning Walk)
   So here Srila Prabhupada rejects the idea that he is omniscient or all-knowing like Krishna. Srila Prabhupada explains that the perfection of guru is in teaching Krishna bhakti, not that he has to be an expert in all aspects of the material universe. It is not a question of presenting a ‘hidden agenda’ or something different from Srila Prabhupada (as you have accused of us doing) but rather to follow Srila Prabhupada’s instruction to discover and present the true nature of the Earth as it is described in Srimad Bhagavatam.

   Regarding the depiction of the Earth in the Temple Of Vedic Planetarium, Srila Prabhupada writes the following instructions in a letter to Mr. S.L Dhani:

   “Now here in India, we are planning construction of a very large “Vedic Planetarium” or “Temple of Understanding”. Within the planetarium we will construct a huge, detailed model of the universe as described in the text of the fifth canto of Srimad Bhagavatam…”

   Srila Prabhupada then goes on to list 15 parts of the exhibition which will depict various areas of the material and spiritual world. Second on the list is the Earth or Bhu-mandala with its various features. Srila Prabhupada’s letter reads as follows:

   “The planetarium is planned to be approximately 400 feet high and will have floor space of approximately 90,000 sq. ft. The model will depict (from bottom to top)

   1) The lower planetary system

   2) The earthly system (Bhu-mandala with Sumeru in center, seven islands (saptadvipa), seven oceans (sapta-samudra), Manosattara Pravata, Lokaloka Parvata, Aloka-varsa.

   3) The Bhuvarloka (Siddha-caranadi-loka)

   4) etc…
   (Letter to S.L. Dhani, November 14, 1976)
   Here we see clearly that the Bhu-mandala concept of Earth is the one that Srila Prabhupada intended to be exhibited in the TOVP. The seven islands of Bhu-mandala are mentioned here. These islands form the inhabited area of the Earth and cover a distance of over 200 million miles. Jambudwipa is the first island of Bhu-mandala measuring 800,000 miles in diameter. Bharata-varsha is on the southern side of this super-continent. Bharata-varsha is thus on the plane of Bhu-mandala, not a separate planet floating in space. Despite speaking of the Earth in the conventional language of ‘globe’ and ‘planet’, Srila Prabhupada’s emphatic instruction was to depict the Earth ‘exactly’ according to Srimad Bhagavatam. That is what we are attempting to do. Please see the intention. Prabhupada concludes his letter to Mr Dhani by saying:

   “As you can appreciate, the work involved in this project will be gigantic and the advice of many experts from all fields will be needed to make it come out successful. It will be a glorious exhibition of India’s Vedic culture that will attract visitors from all the world. I am inquisitive to know how you can help us with this project, as I know you are an expert in the field of Puranic astronomy. Hoping to hear from you in the near future.”

   If Srila Prabhupada knew all the details of the subject, why would he ask for the advice of many experts from all fields?

   Why are you attempting to twist our words and intention? Srila Prabhupada stated the same thing to his disciples:

   “I am not an astronomer, so I may not understand all the details. Those details are given in another part of the Vedas. Sukadeva Gosvami is giving some basic summary ideas of the universal operation. The stress,” Prabhupada concluded, “is on devotion, not geography.”
   (The Great Transcendental Adventure, Ten Days in Perth, 1975, by Kurma das)
   Srila Prabhupada accepted the same statement from his own disciples:

   Prabhupada: One very big pandita is coming. He’ll help us about the Sanskrit language, how to form this…

   Tamala Krishna: Planetarium.

   Prabhupada: …planetarium.

   Tamala Krishna: One big pandita has been contacted, and he’s very surrendered to Prabhupada. He wants to help Prabhupada and our movement to understand the meaning of the shastras in regard to the layout of the universe, so that the planetary systems can be done in our planetarium.” (Room Conversation, March 2-3 1977, Mayapur)

   Notice the language here: Tamala Krishna Goswami is speaking in front of Srila Prabhupada and he says: “One big pandita has been contacted, and he’s very surrendered to Prabhupada. He wants to help Prabhupada and our movement to understand the meaning of the shastras in regard to the layout of the universe, so that the planetary systems can be done in our planetarium.” Tamala Krishna Goswami does not say here that the pandita is coming to learn from Srila Prabhupada about the layout of the universe; rather, he says the pandita “wants to help Prabhupada and our movement understand the meaning of the shastras in regards to the layout of the universe”. Of course, the pandita like everyone else in the world had everything to learn from Srila Prabhupada about devotion to Krishna, but on this particular aspect of Vedic cosmology, Srila Prabhupada required some technical information with which he himself was not familiar. Why otherwise would Srila Prabhupada silently assent to such a statement from Tamala Krishna Goswami? Naturally because Tamala Krishna Goswami is just informing the other devotees of what Srila Prabhupada obviously required from the Vedic astronomer.

   I can go on quoting many such examples, but you obviously can’t see the wood for the trees.

   You should know the heart of someone before making accusations.

   Y.S Mayesvara

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   Amar Puri’s reply ;
   On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:25 PM, amar puri wrote:
   Shriman Mayesvara Das Prabhu,

   PAMHO.

   The FACTS I have presented in my dialogue with you through my email writings which are totally based upon what Srila Prabhupada has said to his disciples and others around him.

   The dilemma I find is that you have not addressed at all thus far in your rebuttal besides hiding the answers I seek for in your writing which is going around the circle over and over again exactly like the present Iskcon GBC leaders are doing and manipulating to run their show in order to stick around what they believe in and NOT accepting the meaning exactly what Srila Prabhupada says in His VANI.

   For an example what you have written below simply to justify your intent of misdirecting and creating further confusion of smoke in the mirror of our discussion under reference ;

   ” Prabhupada: Everything means whatever his guru knows, he should know, that much. Not like God, everything. Within his limit, that’s all. If he tries to understand whatever his guru has said, that much is “everything.” Otherwise, “everything” does not mean that we know everything, like God, like Krishna. That is not possible. If he regularly chants and follows the regulative principles, follows the orders of guru, then he knows everything. That’s all. Not very much … knows everything, then what is the use of reading books when he knows everything? You cannot expect anyone to know like Krishna, everything. ”
   Where do you read in my writings that I have said Srila Prabhupada KNOWS everything ?

   Whatever Srila Prabhupada knows have been written in the SB. for the subject under reference.

   Is that not what Srila Prabhupada says to his disciples, followers to follow through His VANI in this case the link provided in my writing ?

   Why are you not addressing the questions I have put forth for your kind reply?

   What is your purpose to create such smoke screen NOT addressing my questions with regard to your writing ?

   Did Srila Prabhupada’s disciples and followers around him know whatever their guru had said and written in the SB.when they presented the MAP of Bhu-Manadala for Srila Prabhupada’s approval of satisfaction ?

   Obviously, the disciples did not know and understand it. That is why I ask you these questions ;

   Has Srila Prabhupada NOT written all the details of Bhu-mandala in His writing ?

   Who is at the difficulty in conceiving the Srimad Bhagavatam’s description of the Universe ?

   Is it NOT Srila Prabhupada’s Neophyte DEVOTEES having such difficulty in conceiving the description of the Bhu Mandala ?

   Is this NOT minimizing Srila Prabhupada’s authority when you write this type of word, ” SRILA PRABHUPADA’S UNFAMILIARITY ” ?

   DOES THIS NOT MISLEAD, misguide and misinterpret and creates TONS of misunderstanding UNNECESSARILY ?

   Obviously, you have not addressed AT ALL as much as I would like to know the answers of these above mentioned questions.

   Is asking questions relating to your writing considered finding fault ?
   Prabhu, I do appreciate your efforts and hope sincerely you carry on the Bhu – Mandala working model as per Srila Prabhupada’s VANI without your Self Interested interpretation but under the circumstance I can not say how honestly you are rendering service.

   I do offer my apology if you find my writing in any shape hurting your false ego.

   OM TAT SAT.

   Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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   Final Reply ;

   From: Mayesvara Das
   Sent: February 28, 2018 8:06 AM
   To: amar puri
   Subject: Re: New article, Conversation With Vedic Astronomer, by Mayesvara Das http://www.harekrsna.com/…/editor…/01-18/editorials15707.htm

   Thank you Amar Prabhu,

   My argument has been stated adequately, and I have stated my intention. If you choose to take the wrong meaning that is your business.

   Y.S Mayesvara

   -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

   N.B. : THERE is NO any intention in my writing this to minimize the ability of understanding of any Devotees / Followers of Srila Prabhupada on the Cosmos Description of the Universe in the Srimad Bhagavatam because only Srila Prabhupada can know fully what He has written in His Books.

   The followers may only know proportionately according to their sincere and selfless service for the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.

   OM TAT SAT.

   All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krishna.

   • LW says:

     7. May 2018 at 1:08 am

     Devotee: I understand, Srila Prabhupada, that the pure devotee can be as pervasive as Supersoul?

     Prabhupada: Hmm?

     Devotee: By the mercy of Supersoul, he can be present in many places at once?

     Prabhupada: Yes. By the grace of Krishna, a devotee can become anything.

     Devotee (2): So in other words that means the pure devotees can be omniscient?

     Prabhupada: Everything. God is omniscient, so a pure devotee can become omniscient by the grace of God.

     (Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk Conversation, Los Angeles, June 8, 1976)

     • Mahesh Raja says:

       8. May 2018 at 3:14 am

       Nice quote LW Prabhu, Thank-you! Just says in a nutshell Srila Prabhupada’s position:

       Prabhupada: Everything. God is omniscient, so a pure devotee can become omniscient by the grace of God.

       (Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk Conversation, Los Angeles, June 8, 1976)

       • LW says:

         9. May 2018 at 6:38 am

         “Ten years before I said this moon excursion is simply childish and waste of money in my Easy Journey to Other Planets. I am not a scientist, but how I dared to say? Because I know, I have got full knowledge. That is the difference.”

         (Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, New Mayapur, August 3, 1976)
   • Balaram das says:

     9. May 2018 at 4:50 am

     Amar Puri prabhu: “By the way, there is no such name found as Earth globe described in Srimad Bhagavatam”.

     Do you not accept Srila Prabhupada’s translation in the word for word..“ksoni-tale : on the surface of the *GLOBE”??

     This appears in SB 4, 21. 36, “Instructions by Maharaja Prthu” and Srila Prabhupada’s translation reads..

     “The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master and enjoyer of the results of all sacrifices, and He is the supreme spiritual master as well. All of you citizens on the surface of the *GLOBE who have a relationship with me and are worshiping Him by dint of your occupational duties, are bestowing your mercy on me…..”

     “ksoni-tale : on the surface of the *GLOBE” ..

     Purport excerpt: “…It appears however, that in the time of Maharaja Prthu all the people on the surface of the *GLOBE were his subjects….” (*emphasis added)

     Yfs, Balaram das.
4. Mahesh Raja says:

   6. May 2018 at 9:57 pm

   Amar Puri: OFCOURSE, it makes sense when you come to read and understand exactly what Srila Prabhupada wishes the Bhu Mandala AS IT IS be presented per the fifth canto exactly as it is described.

   Mahesh: Just read – thanks!
   68-12-20 Letter: Rupanuga
   Regarding your question of the planetary systems, THE PLANETS ARE ARRANGED IN EACH UNIVERSE IN LAYERS LIKE THE PETALS OF A LOTUS. But in each layer there is mixed both heavenly, hellish and middle planets. On the outside layer there are these three kinds of planets, on the middle layers there are the three kinds of planets and on the inner-most layer there are found these three kinds of planets. Above these layers, in the center, is the Brahmaloka where Lord Brahma, the creator is residing. So the earth planet and the moon planet are both on the same layer but the earth is middle planet and the moon is heavenly planet.

   Note: the planets are are as Srila Prabhupada described : All The Planets And The Universes, They Are EGG SHAPED.

   THE PLANETS ARE *ARRANGED* IN EACH UNIVERSE IN LAYERS *LIKE* THE PETALS OF A LOTUS

   • Amar Puri says:

     7. May 2018 at 3:54 pm

     Mahesh Raja says ;

     “There has been some folks who have put out a theory that the world is flat like a round-about on the road. This is a BIG concoction. …… ”

     BIG concoction ? Where is the concoction you are talking about ?

     If you are referring to a theory that the world is flat like a round-about, then, you need to read what Srila Prabhupada says ;

     ” SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND. ”

     I find your writing of the word BIG concoction is not a proper choice of the words in your statement which leads to so many open interpretation unnecessarily.

     Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

     • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

       8. May 2018 at 8:20 am

       “SOME PORTION” are the key words here. “some portion” of a golf ball is ‘concave’ but the golf ball itself is not concave it is round! Overall it is round!

       • Amar Puri says:

         9. May 2018 at 3:50 am

         “SOME PORTION” are the key words referring to as BIG concoction by Mahesh Prabhu in his comments.

         Is that what you are saying about BIG concoction, Sudarsana Prabhu in your comments ?

         How a concave surface, line or object can be over all round ?

         ” SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT ……..” THE QUOTE is from Srila Prabhupada.

         Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
5. Mahesh Raja says:

   7. May 2018 at 1:53 am

   Mayesvara das: Of course, the pandita like everyone else in the world had everything to learn from Srila Prabhupada about devotion to Krishna, but on this particular aspect of Vedic cosmology, Srila Prabhupada required some technical information with which he himself was not familiar. Why otherwise would Srila Prabhupada silently assent to such a statement from Tamala Krishna Goswami? Naturally because Tamala Krishna Goswami is just informing the other devotees of what Srila Prabhupada obviously required from the Vedic astronomer.

   Mahesh: more like Srila Prabhupada wanted to ENGAGE him in Krsna’s SERVICE. Otherwise, Srila Prabhupada was NOT lacking in knowledge:

   Note:His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is ALWAYS consulting Krsna
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   Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
   Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
   Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES ORDER.
   Interviewer: It’s a more direct communication.
   Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER.
   Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
   Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
   Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
   Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY.
   Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
   Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT CONSULTING KRSNA.

   Note: His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada speaks as Krsna speaks.
   Antya 5.71
   One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PERSON WHO ACTS WITH AUTHORITY, AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, SPEAKS AS THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD DICTATES FROM WITHIN. THUS IT IS NOT HE THAT IS PERSONALLY SPEAKING. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM.
6. Balaram das says:

   7. May 2018 at 2:07 am

   Dear Mahesh prabhu,
   Thank you for the well researched quotes.

   Also in SB 4, 21. 36, “Instructions by Maharaja Prthu”, Srila Prabhupada’s translation reads..

   “The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master and enjoyer of the results of all sacrifices, and He is the supreme spiritual master as well. All of you citizens on the surface of the *GLOBE who have a relationship with me and are worshiping Him by dint of your occupational duties, are bestowing your mercy on me…..”

   “ksoni-tale : on the surface of the *GLOBE” ..

   Purport excerpt: “…It appears however, that in the time of Maharaja Prthu all the people on the surface of the *GLOBE were his subjects….” (*emphasis added)

   As Srila Prabhupada states 76-10-03. Letter: Madhava
   “…SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND….”

   OVER THE HORIZON RADAR..(OTH)

   Due to the curvature of the Earth’s surface, objects could not be seen by conventional straight line radar waves beyond the horizon.

   Normally radar systems have a problem: the bend of the Earth surface. The maximum range of these radars is limited by the radio horizon – slightly far away than the optical horizon.

   Over-the-horizon radar, or OTH (sometimes called beyond the horizon, or BTH), is a type of radar system with the ability to detect targets at very long ranges, typically hundreds to thousands of kilometres, beyond the radar horizon, which is the distance limit for ordinary radar. Several OTH radar systems were deployed starting in the 1950s and 1960s as part of early warning radar systems, but these have generally been replaced by airborne early warning systems. OTH radars have recently been making a comeback, as the need for accurate long-range tracking becomes less important with the ending of the Cold War, and less-expensive ground based radars are once again being considered for roles such as maritime reconnaissance and drug enforcement.

   Over–The–Horizon Backscattering (OTH–B)

   It is also possible to build a radar that has “over the horizon” range, obtained by “bouncing” or “backscattering” radio waves off the ionosphere, the ionized layer at the top of the atmosphere to expose a target ‘Over The Horizon’. It uses slightly higher frequencies (up to 50 MHz). The scheme has many similarities to OTH-SW, requiring large antenna arrays and a good deal of sophisticated radar signal.

   MACQUARIE Dictionary >>>
   Globe= 1) the Earth; 2) any planet; 3) a round body, sphere etc..

   Yfs,
   Balaram das.

   ps.. Next time up at 35,000 feet, take a peek out of the window and check the lovely gentle curve of mother Bhumi’s shape.

   • Amar Puri says:

     8. May 2018 at 12:26 am

     Balaram das says:

     ” ps.. Next time up at 35,000 feet, take a peek out of the window and check the lovely gentle curve of mother Bhumi’s shape. ”

     Does that curvature of Mother Brumi’s shape in a higher altitude describe ;

     a. Globe
     b. Round
     c. Egg shape
     d. Ball
     e. The leaf of a lotus flower.

     Thank you for sharing your well researched writings always, Prabhu.

     Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

     • Balaram das says:

       9. May 2018 at 4:53 am

       Prabhu, IMHO all of the above.
       Yfs, Bal.

       • Amar Puri says:

         10. May 2018 at 7:42 pm

         Balaram Prabhu says ; “Prabhu, IMHO all of the above. ”

         That is understood because Srila Prabhupada uses the word ” Globe ” only in the sense to refer as the ” Sphere ” in the Bhu-Mandala BUT not in the sense of a Shape of the GLOBE as it is widely known conventionally as a Globe on which the Map of the Bhu-Gola is drawn upon.

         To confirm my inference cited above, here below is the quote from SB. 5.20.44 ;

         TEXT 44

         mṛte ’ṇḍa eṣa etasmin yad abhūt tato mārtaṇḍa iti vyapadeśaḥ; hiraṇyagarbha iti yad dhiraṇyāṇḍa-samudbhavaḥ.

         SYNONYMS
         mṛte—dead; aṇḍe—in the globe; eṣaḥ—this; etasmin—in this; yat—which; abhūt—entered personally at the time of creation; tataḥ—from that; mārtaṇḍa—Mārtaṇḍa; iti—thus; vyapadeśaḥ—the designation; hiraṇya-garbhaḥ—known as Hiraṇyagarbha; iti—thus; yat—because; hiraṇya-aṇḍa-samudbhavaḥ—his material body was created from Hiraṇyagarbha.

         TRANSLATION
         The sun-god is also known as Vairāja, the total material body for all living entities. Because he entered this dull egg of the universe at the time of creation, he is also called Mārtaṇḍa. He is also known as Hiraṇyagarbha because he received his material body from Hiraṇyagarbha [Lord Brahmā].

         In the above translation, Universe is also described as the DULL EGG i.e. mṛte—dead;, aṇḍe—in the globe.

         Therefore, the word GLOBE is understood in terms of the ” SPHERE ” ONLY not as the SHAPE like GLOBE which can be very much confusing.

         Whereas the word Bhu-Gola and Bharamanda signifies Round like BALL and Anda as Egg shape.

         As a matter of FACT, the shape of the Bhu-Loka, Earth is described as the ” Leaf of a Lotus Flower ” as per SB.5-16-5

         TEXT 5
         yo vāyaṁ dvīpaḥ kuvalaya-kamala-kośābhyantara-kośo niyuta-yojana-viśālaḥ samavartulo yathā puṣkara-patram.

         SYNONYMS
         yaḥ—which; vā—either; ayam—this; dvīpaḥ—island; kuvalaya—the Bhūloka; kamala-kośa—of the whorl of a lotus flower; abhyantara—inner; kośaḥ—whorl; niyuta-yojana-viśālaḥ—one million yojanas (eight million miles) wide; samavartulaḥ—equally round, or having a length and breadth of the same measurement; yathā—like; puṣkara-patram—a lotus leaf.

         TRANSLATION
         The planetary system known as Bhū-maṇḍala resembles a lotus flower, and its seven islands resemble the whorl of that flower. The length and breadth of the island known as Jambūdvīpa, which is situated in the middle of the whorl, are one million yojanas [eight million miles]. Jambūdvīpa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower.

         N.B. : puṣkara-patram—a lotus leaf.

         It is my humble request to all the Learned Readers on this site that IF it is possible that we should all try to prepare some sort of a Graphic design of the Bhu-Manadala as Srila Prabhupada describes in the Fifth Canto. I have absolutely NO knowledge of the Computer Graphic Design.
         As a matter of fact, I am computer illiterate except simply typing. That is it. I am no help at all in this regard.

         FLAT EARTH Graphic design promoters have their own AGENDA to fulfill NOT necessarily as Srila Prabhupada desires and instructs to His Followers / Devotees for setting up the presentation.

         They take the information from Srila Prabhupada what ever it suits their agenda and other non-bonafide sources available on the Surface of the Globe, and present it to the massive people to create a smoke screen in a deceptive and distorted out of context information gathered with Self Interested Interpretation simply for their personal profit.

         THAT is very very very dangerous.

         All of US must be prepared to fight back the misleading presentation of the FLAT EARTH when they use Srila Prabhupada’s VANI for their Self Interested motivation.

         Hope to hear further in this matter.

         OM TAT SAT.

         Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
   • Mahesh Raja says:

     8. May 2018 at 2:58 am

     Thank-you! Balaram Prabhu

     Problem is—– some folks do not understand -relative- terms. Example: If one takes a very tiny little ant and places the tiny ant on TOP a large mellon. RELATIVE to the tiny ant – it is all flat surface. Because that is ALL it sees. But those who see can understand that the mellon is round (egg shaped) . Relative to the size of the tiny small ant there is only FLAT surface there on the top. So some people only see FLAT earth like the tiny ant. Earth being soooooo BIG the flat surface is sooooo large they ONLY see the flat surface on the top like an ant–and—- nothing else. They are not able to comprehend how the Earth curves into a EGG SHAPE. And— because they are attached to their opinion of “flat earth” only (for them that round earth is round like a flat road round about ) – they can not accept what Srila Prabhupada says: EGG SHAPE. Srila Prabhupada mentions the term ANDA which MEANS egg.

     Srila Prabhupada explains so clearly:
     JAGAD-ANDA MEANS UNIVERSE. IT IS JUST LIKE EGG SHAPE. ANDA. YOU CAN SEE THIS UNIVERSE, THE SKY IS…, HORIZON. SO IT IS JUST LIKE EGG SHAPE. ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE THEY ARE CALLED ANDA, JAGAD-ANDA, BRAHMANDA
7. David Fuller says:

   7. May 2018 at 10:33 am

   The real “smoke screen” is the lack of an actually understandable explanation of the universe that agrees with observable reality. And there can also be false ego, even amongst advanced spiritualists.
   The material scientists present a more plausible explanation for the observable material reality in the subject of the movements of the closer celestial objects than what is portrayed by the Fifth Canto’s presenters and supporters.
   The spiritualists explain internal experience of divine reality as much as they themselves experience it, and believe in it.
   So it is a paradox, that we have internal spiritual experience and measured external reality, and they don’t come together clearly in the Srimad Bhagavatam and what we find to be the case through external exploration.
   It is not necessarily easy to explain the actual situation of yogis, demigods, Paramatma etc. within their experiences and what the average conditioned soul experiences. But one would think that on the basic observable reality level, they wouldn’t contradict.
   By the “grace” of material scientists, the sadhus can fly all over this “egg”, and by the grace of the sadhus, hopefully the material scientists can make spiritual advancement.
   Somehow the internal and external world should have to meet in agreement. They are not doing that with the presentations we have available to us.

   Krishna Govinda

   • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

     8. May 2018 at 12:45 pm

     Paramahamsa, Uttama Adhikari Vaisnavas such as Srila Prabhupada are not afflicted by false ego but all of the conditioned souls are afflicted (especially the “material Scientists” who have this affliction in abundance). NASA and the aerospace industry, was initially created by Operation Paperclip, which were ex Nazi war criminal “scientists” who tortured to death thousands of concentration camp inmates in cruel, experiments. These persons have no spiritual dimension whatsoever. The real paradox is that these persons are demoniac, pathological liars and frauds. Aerodynamics has existed eternally and is ulimately a creation of The Supreme Lord, the fact that it has only become “understood” by the “mainstream material scientists” in the last century is only a reflection of their ignorance. Most of NASA are high level Freemasons (which is underpinned by Satanism) so here lies the real paradox!

     The Round Table (UN, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Club of Rome, and the Royal Institute for International Affairs) is run by the worlds elites, who control all of the international scientific bodies, “education” systems, politicians, media outlets, etc etc. These elites DO NOT PAY ANY TAX but create “Foundations” which in turn create “grants” and “studies” to colleges and universities TO PROMOTE THE FALSE DEMONIC WORLD VIEW THAT THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT WORLD-WIDE!

     This is why they “fake Moon landing”, create false, CO2 Global Warming myth, false “energy crisis”, false “population crisis”, false flag “terrorist attacks”, false “war threat” (recent North Korea “threat” is a prime example. Falsely created to make the US look good in the wake of their failure to seize Syria for the Zionists!), false weather manipulation (chemtrals, HAARP).

     The paradox only exists because the world is controlled by demons and Satanists who are ALL MEMBERS OF THE ROUND TABLE and control with ruthless efficiency the “scientific authorities” who are just vassals, to conform to their DEMONIC WORLD VIEW. This is also Choreographed with the “media” and the “film industry” which creates hero’s such as Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Al Gore, Richard Dawkins, Brian Cox etc etc Who are ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROUND TABLE ILLUMINATI!

     TV shows, host flunkies like Cox and Gore to push this false “CO2 global warming” myth and “space exploration” rubbish, together with “robotics”, GMO “food” and an “exciting future”, which will only create a hell on earth. TV shows like “Big Bang Theory” portray NASA enthusiasts and “science wannabees” as cute, funny, nerdy, harmless (but smart!) and benign individuals and not the GODLESS, DEMONIC, LYING, CONTROLLED, CRUEL, EVIL BASTARDS THAT THEY REALLY ARE!

     THIS IS ALL CHOREOGRAPHED BY THE ILLUMINATI (as they control all the media, film industry, distribution, marketing, school curriculum, politicians, industrial military complex, corporations, and secret services) TO DUMB-DOWN THE STUPID POPULACE AND GET THEM TO ACCEPT MORE INTERFERENCE AND CONTROL OVER THEIR SAD LITTLE BRAIN-WASHED LIVES!
8. Mahesh Raja says:

   7. May 2018 at 9:50 pm

   Amar Puri: By the way, there is no such name found as Earth globe described in Srimad Bhagavatam.

   Mahesh: Please just read – thanks! :

   SB 3.21.36 T Conversation Between Manu and Kardama

   manuh syandanam asthaya
   satakaumbha-paricchadam
   aropya svam duhitaram
   sa-bharyah paryatan mahim

   SYNONYMS
   manuh–Svayambhuva Manu; syandanam–the chariot; asthaya–having mounted; satakaumbha–made of gold; paricchadam–the outer cover; aropya–putting on; svam–his own; duhitaram–daughter; sa-bharyah–along with his wife; paryatan–traveling all over; MAHIM–THE GLOBE.

   TRANSLATION
   Svayambhuva Manu, with his wife, mounted his chariot, which was decorated with golden ornaments. Placing his daughter on it with them, HE BEGAN TRAVELING ALL OVER THE EARTH.

   SB 3.21.52-54 S Conversation Between Manu and Kardama
   na–not; yada–when; ratham–the chariot; asthaya–having mounted; jaitram–victorious; mani–of jewels; gana–with clusters; arpitam–bedecked; visphurjat–twanging; canda–a fearful sound just to punish the criminals; kodandah–bow; rathena–by the presence of such a chariot; trasayan–threatening; aghan–all the culprits; sva-sainya–of your soldiers; carana–by the feet; ksunnam–trampled; vepayan–causing to tremble; mandalam–the globe; bhuvah–of the earth; vikarsan–leading; brhatim–huge; senam–army; paryatasi–you roam about; amsuman–the brilliant sun; iva–like; tada–then; eva–certainly; setavah–religious codes; sarve–all; varna–of varnas; asrama–of asramas; nibandhanah–obligations; bhagavat–by the Lord; racitah–created; rajan–O King; bhidyeran–they would be broken; bata–alas; dasyubhih–by rogues.

   TRANSLATION
   If you did not mount your victorious jeweled chariot, whose mere presence threatens culprits, if you did not produce fierce sounds by the twanging of your bow, and if you did not roam about the world like the brilliant sun, leading a huge army whose trampling feet cause the GLOBE OF THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, then all the moral laws governing the varnas and asramas created by the Lord Himself would be broken by the rogues and rascals.

   SB 3.23.41 P Devahuti’ s Lamentation
   The planets occupied by the demigods are restricted to their own orbits, but Kardama Muni, by his yogic power, could travel all over the different directions of the universe without restriction. The living entities who are within the universe are called conditioned souls; that is, they are not free to move everywhere. WE ARE INHABITANTS OF THIS EARTHLY GLOBE; we cannot move freely to other planets. In the modern age, man is trying to go to other planets, but so far he has been unsuccessful. It is not possible to travel to any other planets because by the laws of nature even the demigods cannot move from one planet to another. But Kardama Muni, by his yogic power, could surpass the strength of the demigods and travel in space in all directions. The comparison here is very suitable. The words yatha anilah indicate that as the air is free to move anywhere without restriction, so Kardama Muni unrestrictedly traveled in all directions of the universe

   SB 3.23.43 S Devahuti’ s Lamentation
   preksayitva–after showing; bhuvah–of the universe; GOLAM–THE GLOBE; patnyai–to his wife; yavan–as much; sva-samsthaya–with its arrangements; bahu-ascaryam–full of many wonders; maha-yogi–the great yogi (Kardama); sva-asramaya–to his own hermitage; nyavartata–returned.

   TRANSLATION
   After showing his wife the globe of the universe and its different arrangements, full of many wonders, the great yogi Kardama Muni returned to his own hermitage.

   PURPORT
   ALL THE PLANETS ARE HERE DESCRIBED AS GOLA, ROUND. Every planet is round, and each planet is a different shelter, just like islands in the great ocean. Planets are sometimes called dvipa or varsa. This earth planet is called Bharata-varsa because it was ruled by King Bharata. Another significant word used in this verse is bahv-ascaryam, “many wonderful things.” This indicates that the different planets are distributed all over the universe in the eight directions, and each and every one of them is wonderful in itself. Each planet has its particular climatic influences and particular types of inhabitants and is completely equipped with everything, including the beauty of the seasons. In the Brahma-samhita (5.40) it is similarly stated, vibhuti-bhinnam: on each and every planet there are different opulences. It cannot be expected that one planet is exactly like another. By God’s grace, by nature’s law, each and every planet is made differently and has different wonderful features. All such wonders were personally experienced by Kardama Muni while he traveled with his wife, yet he could return again to his humble hermitage. He showed his princess-wife that although he was living in the hermitage, he had the power to go everywhere and do anything by mystic yoga. That is the perfection of yoga. One cannot become a perfect yogi simply by showing some sitting postures, nor by such sitting postures or so-called meditation can one become God, as is being advertised. Foolish persons are misled into believing that simply by some caricature of meditation and sitting postures one can become God within six months.

   SB 3.24.42 The Renunciation of Kardama Muni
   The sage Kardama accepted silence as a vow in order to think of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and take shelter of Him exclusively. Without association, he traveled over the SURFACE OF THE GLOBE as a sannyasi, devoid of any relationship with fire or shelter.

   PURPORT
   SB 3.30.2 P Description by Lord Kapila of Adverse Fruitive Activities
   The main function of the time factor, which is a representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is to destroy everything. The materialists, in material consciousness, are engaged in producing so many things in the name of economic development. They think that by advancing in satisfying the material needs of man they will be happy, but they forget that everything they have produced will be destroyed in due course of time. From history we can see that there were many powerful empires ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE that were constructed with great pain and great perseverance, but in due course of time they have all been destroyed. Still the foolish materialists cannot understand that they are simply wasting time in producing material necessities, which are destined to be vanquished in due course of time. This waste of energy is due to the ignorance of the mass of people, who do not know that they are eternal and that they have an eternal engagement also. They do not know that this span of life in a particular type of body is but a flash in the eternal journey. Not knowing this fact, they take the small flash of life to be everything, and they waste time in improving economic conditions.

   SB 4.9.51 S Dhruva Maharaja Returns Home
   tam–unto Queen Suniti; sasamsuh–offered praise; janah–the people in general; rajnim–unto the Queen; distya–by fortune; te–your; putrah–son; arti-ha–will vanquish all your pains; pratilabdhah–now returned; ciram–since a long time; nastah–lost; raksita–will protect; MANDALAM–THE GLOBE; BHUVAH–EARTHLY.

   SB 4.21.12 Instructions by Maharaja Prthu
   Maharaja Prthu was an unrivaled king and possessed the scepter for ruling all the seven islands ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE. No one could disobey his irrevocable orders but the saintly persons, the brahmanas and the descendants of the Supreme Personality of Godhead [the Vaisnavas].

   PURPORT
   Sapta-dvipa refers to the seven great islands or CONTINENTS ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE: (1) Asia, (2) Europe, (3) Africa, (4) North America, (5) South America, (6) Australia and (7) Oceania. In the modern age people are under the impression that during the Vedic period or the prehistoric ages America and many other parts of the world had not been discovered, but that is not a fact. Prthu Maharaja ruled over the world many thousands of years before the so-called prehistoric age, and it is clearly mentioned here that in those days not only were all the different parts of the world known, but they were ruled by one king, Maharaja Prthu. The country where Prthu Maharaja resided must have been India because it is stated in the eleventh verse of this chapter that he lived in the tract of land between the rivers Ganges and Yamuna. This tract of land, which is called Brahmavarta, consists of what is known in the modern age as portions of Punjab and northern India. It is clear that the kings of India once ruled all the world and that their culture was Vedic.

   SB 4.29.45 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
   “Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.” Most people are interested in worshiping demigods to acquire powers. Each demigod has a particular power. For instance, the demigod Indra, the King of heaven, has power to shower rain on the SURFACE OF THE GLOBE to give sufficient vegetation to the earth.

   SB 5.1.40 P The Activities of Maharaja Priyavrata
   The example set by Maharaja Priyavrata in marking off different states is still followed. As indicated here, different classes of men are destined to live in different areas, and therefore the boundaries of various tracts of land, which are described here as islands, should be defined by different rivers, forests and hills. This is also mentioned in relation to Maharaja Prthu, who was born from the dead body of his father by the manipulation of great sages. Maharaja Prthu’s father was very sinful, and therefore a black man called Nisada was first born from his dead body. The Naisada race was given a place in the forest because by nature they are thieves and rogues. As animals are given places in various forests and hills, men who are like animals are also destined to live there. One cannot be promoted to civilized life unless one comes to Krsna consciousness, for by nature one is destined to live in a particular situation according to one’s karma and association with the modes of nature. If men want to live in harmony and peace, they must take to Krsna consciousness, for they cannot achieve the highest standard while absorbed in the bodily concept of life. MAHARAJA PRIYAVRATA DIVIDED THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE INTO DIFFERENT ISLANDS SO THAT EACH CLASS OF MEN WOULD LIVE PEACEFULLY AND NOT CLASH WITH THE OTHERS. THE MODERN IDEA OF NATIONHOOD HAS GRADUALLY DEVELOPED FROM THE DIVISIONS MADE BY MAHARAJA PRIYAVRATA.

   SB 5.7.1 The Activities of King Bharata
   Sukadeva Gosvami continued speaking to Maharaja Pariksit: My dear King, Bharata Maharaja was a topmost devotee. Following the orders of his father, who had already decided to install him on the throne, he began to rule the earth accordingly. WHEN BHARATA MAHARAJA RULED THE ENTIRE GLOBE, he followed the orders of his father and married Pancajani, the daughter of Visvarupa.

   SB 5.12 Summary Conversation Between Maharaja Rahugana and Jada Bharata
   Maharaja Rahugana was somewhat unhappy at not being able to grasp Jada Bharata’s instructions, which were full of meaning that could not be understood by a materialistic person. Therefore Jada Bharata repeated his instructions more clearly. HE SAID THAT ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE all living entities, moving and unmoving, were but transformations of the earth in different ways. The King was very proud of his king’s body, but that body was simply another transformation of the earth. Out of his false prestige, the King was misbehaving toward the palanquin carrier, as a master toward a servant, and he was actually very unkind to other living entities. Consequently King Rahugana was unfit to give protection to the citizens, and because he was ignorant, he was unfit to be counted among advanced philosophers. Everything in the material world is but a transformation of the earth, although things have different names according to their transformations. Actually the varieties are one and the same, and ultimately all these varieties are vanquished into atoms. Nothing is permanent in this material world. The variety of things and their distinctions are simply mental concoctions. The Absolute Truth is beyond illusion and is manifest in three features–impersonal Brahman, localized Paramatma and the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Ultimate realization of the Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, called Vasudeva by His devotees. Unless one is blessed with the dust from the feet of a pure devotee on his head, one cannot possibly become a devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

   SB 5.12.8 Conversation Between Maharaja Rahugana and Jada Bharata
   ALL OF US ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE are living entities in different forms. Some of us are moving and some not moving. All of us come into existence, remain for some time and are annihilated when the body is again mingled with the earth. WE ARE ALL SIMPLY DIFFERENT TRANSFORMATIONS OF THE EARTH. Different bodies and capacities are simply transformations of the earth that exist in name only, for everything grows out of the earth and when everything is annihilated it again mingles with the earth. In other words, we are but dust, and we shall but be dust. Everyone can consider this point.

   SB 10.2.14 S Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb
   sandista–having been ordered; evam–thus; bhagavata–by the Supreme Personality of Godhead; tatha iti–so be it; om–affirmation by the mantra om; iti–thus; tat-vacah–His words; pratigrhya–accepting the order; parikramya–after circumambulating Him; GAM–TO THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE; gata–she immediately went; tat–the order, as given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead; tatha–just so; akarot–executed.

   TRANSLATION
   Thus instructed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Yogamaya immediately agreed. With the Vedic mantra om, she confirmed that she would do what He asked. Thus having accepted the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, she circumambulated Him and STARTED FOR THE PLACE ON EARTH known as Nanda-gokula. There she did everything just as she had been told.

   Adi 7.164 Lord Caitanya in Five Features
   When Rupa Gosvami and Sanatana Gosvami went to Vrndavana, there was not a single temple, but by their preaching they were gradually able to construct various temples. Sanatana Gosvami constructed the Madana-mohana temple, and Rupa Gosvami constructed the Govindaji temple. Similarly, their nephew Jiva Gosvami constructed the Radha-Damodara temple, Sri Gopala Bhatta Gosvami constructed the Radha-ramana temple, Sri Lokanatha Gosvami constructed the Gokulananda temple, and Syamananda Gosvami constructed the Syamasundara temple. In this way, many temples were gradually constructed. For preaching, construction of temples is also necessary. The Gosvamis not only engaged in writing books but also constructed temples because both are needed for preaching work. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted the cult of His sankirtana movement to spread all over the world. Now that the International Society for Krishna Consciousness has taken up this task of preaching the cult of Lord Caitanya, its members should not only construct temples IN EVERY TOWN AND VILLAGE OF THE GLOBE but also distribute books that have already been written and further increase the number of books. Both distribution of books and construction of temples must continue side by side in parallel lines.

   Madhya 21.11 The Opulence and Sweetness of Lord Sri Krsna
   ” ‘In time, great scientists may be able to count all the atoms of the universe, all the stars and planets in the sky, and all the particles of snow, but who among them can count the unlimited transcendental qualities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead? He descends ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE for the benefit of all living entities.’

   KB 20 Description of Autumn
   Clouds are accumulated water drawn from the land by the sunshine. Continually for eight months the sun evaporates all kinds of water from the SURFACE OF THE GLOBE, and this water is accumulated in the shape of clouds, which are distributed as water when there is need. Similarly, a government exacts various taxes from the citizens which the citizens are able to pay by their different material activities: agriculture, trade and industry; thus the government can also exact taxes in the form of income tax and sales tax. This is compared to the sun drawing water from the earth. When there is again need of water on the surface of the globe, the same sunshine converts the water into clouds and distributes it all over the GLOBE. Similarly, the taxes collected by the government must be distributed to the people again, as educational work, public work, sanitary work, etc. This is very essential for a good government. The government should not simply exact tax for useless squandering; the tax collection should be utilized for the public welfare of the state.
   During the rainy season, there are strong winds blustering all over the country and carrying clouds from one place to another to distribute water. When water is urgently needed after the summer season, the clouds are just like a rich man who, in times of need, distributes his money even by exhausting his whole treasury. So the clouds exhaust themselves by distributing water all over the SURFACE OF THE GLOBE.
   When Maharaja Dasaratha, the father of Lord Ramacandra, used to fight with his enemies, it was said that he approached them just like a farmer uprooting unnecessary plants and trees. And when there was need of giving charity, he used to distribute money exactly as the cloud distributes rain. The distribution of rain by clouds is so sumptuous that it is compared to the distribution of wealth by a great, munificent person. The clouds’ downpour is so sufficient that the rains even fall on rocks and hills and on the oceans and seas where there is no need for water. It is like a charitable person who opens his treasury for distribution and who does not discriminate whether the charity is needed or not. He gives in charity openhandedly.
   Before the rainfall, THE WHOLE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE becomes almost depleted of all kinds of energies and appears very lean. After the rainfall, the whole surface of the earth becomes green with vegetation and appears to be very healthy and strong. Here, a comparison is made with the person undergoing austerities for fulfillment of a material desire. The flourishing condition of the earth after a rainy season is compared with the fulfillment of material desires. Sometimes, when a country is subjugated by an undesirable government, persons and parties undergo severe penances and austerities to get control of the government, and when they attain control, they flourish by giving themselves generous salaries. This also is like the flourishing OF THE EARTH in the rainy season. Actually, one should undergo severe austerities and penances only to achieve spiritual happiness. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is recommended that tapasya or penance should be accepted for realizing the Supreme Lord. By accepting austerity in devotional service, one regains his spiritual life, and as soon as one regains his spiritual life, he enjoys unlimited spiritual bliss. But if someone undertakes austerities and penances for some material gain, it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita that the results are temporary and that they are desired by persons of less intelligence.
   Before the rainfall, the whole SURFACE OF THE GLOBE becomes almost depleted of all kinds of energies and appears very lean. After the rainfall, the whole surface of the earth becomes green with vegetation and appears to be very healthy and strong. Here, a comparison is made with the person undergoing austerities for fulfillment of a material desire. The flourishing condition OF THE EARTH after a rainy season is compared with the fulfillment of material desires. Sometimes, when a country is subjugated by an undesirable government, persons and parties undergo severe penances and austerities to get control of the government, and when they attain control, they flourish by giving themselves generous salaries. This also is like the flourishing of the earth in the rainy season. Actually, one should undergo severe austerities and penances only to achieve spiritual happiness. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is recommended that tapasya or penance should be accepted for realizing the Supreme Lord. By accepting austerity in devotional service, one regains his spiritual life, and as soon as one regains his spiritual life, he enjoys unlimited spiritual bliss. But if someone undertakes austerities and penances for some material gain, it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita that the results are temporary and that they are desired by persons of less intelligence.

   • Amar Puri says:

     8. May 2018 at 9:02 pm

     Mahesh Prabhu, yes I did write the word Earth globe with the attention to know the difference between the Globe of Universe, Bhu Gola, Bhumandala, Brahmanada and so on which refer to as the Universe.

     Is this Earth Globe 25,000 miles in the circumference as we know it ?

     Whereas in the SB. 5.16.7 says ; ” TRANSLATION

     ” Amidst these divisions, or varṣas, is the varṣa named Ilāvṛta, which is situated in the middle of the whorl of the lotus. Within Ilāvṛta-varṣa is Sumeru Mountain, which is made of gold. Sumeru Mountain is like the pericarp of the lotuslike Bhū-maṇḍala planetary system. The mountain’s height is the same as the width of Jambūdvīpa—or, in other words, 100,000 yojanas [800,000 miles]. Of that, 16,000 yojanas [128,000 miles] are within the earth, and therefore the mountain’s height above the earth is 84,000 yojanas [672,000 miles]. The mountain’s width is 32,000 yojanas [256,000 miles] at its summit and 16,000 yojanas at its base. ”

     We read from the above translation ; ” ……. Of that, 16,000 yojanas ( 128,000 miles ) are within the earth …”

     The question is where is the balance part of the earth when we know the present circumference is only 25,000 miles of the earth globe ?

     Next question is ;

     Does that curvature of the present known Earth Globe i.e. Mother Brumi’s shape in a higher altitude describe ;

     a. Globe
     b. Round
     c. Egg shape
     d. Ball
     e. The leaf of a lotus flower.

     Thanks for sharing the well researched answer as usual.

     Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
9. David Fuller says:

   8. May 2018 at 7:35 am

   I really don’t want to offend anyone, and I have been dealing with the Fifth Canto since 1977 in my own mind, and am still a devotee (although low class) after all these years. There are a few things that even to an unofficial astronomer come to a head.
   1: some idea the Sun is closer than the Earth. If the Sun sets in the west, and the moon is still above the horizon in the west also, if the Sun were closer, we’d expect the moon to be a full moon, as the sun would be between the earth and the moon. Instead we see a small sliver of light on the moon indicating the sun is on the far side of the moon, and looks to be a lot farther away.
   2: The universe revolves around the pole star like a chandelier. The biggest problem with this is with telescopes we have been able to see details of other planets and can tell they revolve, and at a different angle than this earth. That means to anyone on those planets, the universe would have a different pole star. The universe would revolve around that planet from a different direction. So then do we accept that this planet revolves and the universe is more or less stationary, or do we say that the universe revolves differently around each planet, and each planet has different pole stars?
   3: the stars are not suns and are relatively close. We have never heard of a star coming between a planet and an observer. We have never observed stars to have a dark side like the planets. We have never seen planetary shadows cross in front of or darken a star. This earth should cast a shadow opposite the sun shine into space. If the stars were lit by the one Sun, then we could see the earth shadow moving across the sky causing eclipses upon the stars. This indicates the stars are farther away than any planets and are not dependent upon the sun for their luminosity.
   4: The chandelier of the universe wobbles causing seasonal change. The idea that the earth revolves at a particular angle to the sun gives us say a northern summer, – more light hitting the tilted earth at the “top” because the earth is tilting at the top towards the sun. The idea the earth orbits the sun every 12 months implies that 6 months after the northern summer, the earth is on the opposite side of the sun in its circumambulation. Without wobble, the earth’s top tilt is now facing away from the sun and we get southern summer. If the chandelier wobbled, the pole stars would move in obvious circles.
   5: Rahu’s invisible head tries to eat the moon causing an eclipse. We don’t know why Rahu would repeatedly try such. And we don’t know why it is only when the sun is on one side of the earth and the moon opposite that. It is always a full moon, meaning the moon is directly opposite the sun with the earth in between. The shadow going across the moon is round. Astronomers who say it is the earth’s shadow predict eclipses years ahead and can say where on earth one should go to witness a full eclipse.
   6: no explanation for solar eclipses. Astronomers who say it is the moon going in front of the sun can provide accurate diagrams showing the moon’s shadow track across the earth’s surface.

   As far as things like concentric islands and oceans, mount Meru, things we can’t see. Certainly there may be realms on different wavelengths, dimensions, time scales etc., that could prevent us perceiving them. Scientists say there is up to 80% more mass in the universe than what we can perceive (dark matter). But no explanations are given as to why we can’t see an 80,000 mile tall mountain except “we aren’t qualified”. We don’t see anything blocked by this large mountain, no stars or planets etc. So our sources of vision can see right through it. At the same time we have five senses and don’t know how many other sense there may be. A blind insect can not conceive of vision.
   It is hard to think of islands and oceans that don’t have a foundation.
   The covering of the universe. Why doesn’t the sun light reflect off of it? Its supposed to be earth.
   On the other hand we have black holes which could represent Lord Maha Vishnu’s pores from which universes (whatever they are- galaxies or solar systems) may emanate. We have galaxies which are literally wheels of time and could be universes with mount Meru being central star clusters. They are expanding out from a central source possibly to be breathed back by Sri Vishnu. This is speculation based on a premise that the original 2 million year old information brought to earth by Lord Vivisvan may have gotten distorted or forgotten. Or possibly Suta Goswami Maharaja or whoever scribed the Fifth canto could possibly have not given an accurate account, or the demigods screwed it up on purpose to fool demons to thwart off attacks by demons. Do we think Lord Indra might not do that along with Narada’s and Srila Vyasadeva’s going along with it?
   With satellites we can see the old river path of the Sarasvati river which no longer flows, but which is in the Vedic literatures and find artifacts of advanced human civilization along its ancient river bed. It was run off from melting glaciers like other rivers. Meaning like from a previous ice age when the coastline was hundreds of feet lower, and places like Dwaraka have become submerged as ice has melted and filled the ocean. Scientists find large blocks under sea off the present coast on Dwaraka 200 and 400 feet underwater, and more around Japan.
   So, things are there. Even Sataputa’s works describing Bhu mandala sometimes gives hint that the Fifth canto may be an explanation of a planesphere, – a model of the heavens. Over time aspects of a mechanical model might be considered factual celestial features.
   Simultaneously I’d imagine all the devotees have had experience of the spiritual dimension. I have. I know its real. By the mercy of liberated souls and aspects of the Supreme person we get those merciful experiences.
   Its possible the coverings of the universe are a yogi’s own skull with the universe realized within himself.
   At any rate the spiritual world is real, the description of the cosmos is difficult when compared to observed reality.
   7: The moon has its own source of light. The moon gets earthshine just like the earth reflects the full moon.
   Alright, I’ll leave it alone. Hare Krishna, thanks for bearing.

   • Balaram das says:

     9. May 2018 at 5:17 am

     “7: The moon has its own source of light.”

     Yes David prabhu, the Moon viewed through a very basic telescope or even a good pair of binoculars during waxing or waning, will still reveal surface detail of the ‘shaded’ portion. As the surface detail of the dark or shaded section is still visible, it could hardly be said that the dark section is caused by an object(?) passing across the Moon’s face.

     If the Moon (that we can observe) is self illuminating, then there must be a heck of a lot of work for the inhabitants up there to keep adjusting light from the “source” as it goes through the observable and predictable phases.

     Back to chanting the Maha Mantra!
     Yfs, Balaram das.
10. Mahesh Raja says:

    8. May 2018 at 11:51 am

    Prabhupāda: They have no answer. As soon as I asked this question… Yesterday also, last, that television, he also asked the same question. He has purchased all our books. So “Why this Christian religion is declined?” And “Why it will not? Why you are violating?” He could not answer. He could not answer. He will violate… All, many Christian priests ask me this question, and as soon as they put this question, they stop. They stop. They cannot answer. “Why you are killing? The first order is ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ and why you are killing?” They cannot answer. I asked them two questions. “Why unlimited God shall have only one son? And why you are killing?” They cannot answer. Or you answer?
    Umāpati: No.
    Prabhupāda: THE EARTH WAS FLAT. THEY BELIEVED THAT THE WORLD IS FLAT. SO HOW MUCH IMPERFECT KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE GOT. So imperfect knowledge, how long it can go? Just like we are going to challenge all these rascals that life is grown out of matter. We are going to challenge. It is not a fact. So how long you can cheat people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.

    https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1973/may/morning_walk_at_cheviot_hills_golf_course/los_angeles/may/15/1973
11. Mahesh Raja says:

    8. May 2018 at 2:33 pm

    The difference between the -round- that one sees as EGG SHAPE and another who sees as FLAT “round” about you find on roads is the about the particular modes of nature goodness(Sattva guna) Passion (Rajo guna) ignorance (Tamo guna) that one has:

    740615rc.par Conversations
    Yogesvara: “Is there some, any qualities, in the sense that some people have more receptivity towards the divine than other people?”
    Prabhupada: YES. THAT I EXPLAINED, SATTVA-GUNA, RAJO-GUNA, TAMO-GUNA. THOSE WHO ARE IN SATTVA-GUNA, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND EASILY. THOSE WHO ARE IN RAJO-GUNA, THEY HAVE GOT DIFFICULTY. AND THOSE WHO ARE IN TAMO-GUNA, THEY CANNOT. (French)

    730930BG.BOM Lectures
    That point is missing. Real enjoyer or proprietor is Krsna. Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. He’s the proprietor. Sarva loka, not only of this loka, earthly planet, but there are innumerable planets within this universe and there are innumerable universes also, not one universe. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means universe. It is just like EGG SHAPE. ANDA. You can see this universe, the sky is…, horizon. So it is just like egg shape. ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE they are called ANDA, jagad-ANDA, brahmANDA. So this jagad-ANDA.

    1) The earth as Flat Round:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout

    2) The earth as EGG SHAPED:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=photo+egg&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOvOjYjvbaAhXKJsAKHXHGBzwQsAQILQ&biw=1024&bih=547
12. Kishore k says:

    8. May 2018 at 3:12 pm

    Firstly I offer my respects to all the devotees here. It appears that many devotees have not read the elaborate articles by Mayeshvara prabhu published in sampradaya sun website. All the questions are answered there.

    [webmaster: articles published at http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48531 ]

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      9. May 2018 at 10:04 am

      Dear Kishore k Prabhu.

      I have read part one with great interest (and shall also read part two shortly). Not everything is answered and is as clear cut as we would like it to be but many very interesting points are presented. I agree that “earth” has NEVER BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED FROM SPACE as this is well documented and the images of “earth” presented on TV and mainstream media are taken from ”concocted models” and/or CGI images.

      NASA is a Freemason Illuminati construct of pathological liars. Even their logo is a ‘snakes tongue!’

      • Bhakta Harry says:

        10. May 2018 at 10:43 pm

        https://youtu.be/yyUrw8TJDHM?list=PLAo52t8mAqk3zNaunTcSpLITGjvqIvOyM
      • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

        11. May 2018 at 1:03 pm

        Mayeshvara Prabhu mentions the Heliocentric System and some of the first proponents Copernicus, Galileo and Newton. These 3 persons were all either Freemasons or members of The Priory Of Sion, or both (there is little to no difference between the two!). Copernicus, and Galileo (who was hanged by the Papists) appeared during “The Reformation” (16th century) and “The Renaissance” (14th-17th century) as did Newton (who also later in his life was around at the beginning of “The Enlightenment” (18th century).

        These particular events are very important with regards to challenging the Papist Church’s doctrines (and the Protestants, Calvinists, Lutherans at the time of The Enlightenment!) etc with regards to “material science” which is rooted in Satanism, alchemy, mysticism, witchcraft and denial of God. (It is no different today!). If one studies both Freemasonry and The Priory of Sion, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOAL, WHICH IS THE DESTRUCTION OF DHARMA, RELIGIOSITY AND ALSO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MONARCHY. So it was not as simple as “just coming up with a more logical idea!” These guys were at total war with religion and the monarchy! Of course the Papists themselves had also virtually no semblance of Christianity, anyway as this had all became completely corrupted in the first several centuries after Christs crucifixion.

        The ”moon landing” is a complete hoax, so Pradyumna Das and Sadaputa Das’s idea that “they probably went to another planet!” is completely ridiculous. Why then the completely FAKE FILM?, poor quality, no stars, this is complete nonsense! They made ‘Gone with the Wind ‘ in1939! FULL COLOUR, perfect detail! This means they do not understand Freemasonry! If Armstrong was the first to set foot, then why are ALL THE PICS of Aldrin (except one!). All of these guys are high level Freemasons (even Armstrong’s father was a Freemason). Armstrong is also a member of Janus Ur Lodge and also Three Eyes Ur Lodge. Stanley Kubrik (who filmed the fake landing in the desert) was also a member of Three Eyes Ur Lodge. (See: 36 Super Lodges Rule The World) page 6.

        Pradyumna’s tiny brain ‘cannot understand why NASA would fake pic of the globe’ even though they completely faked the “moon landing”. It is not a question of “did they or didn’t they go?” but rather “if they did go to the moon (or even another planet) then WHY DID THEY DO THIS COMPLETELY FAKE (B&W) FILM?

        We can only know what Lord Krishna wants us to know. We should ACCEPT Srimad Bhagavatam and Srila Prabhupada (even though we know it is inconceivable) and reject “flat earth, karmi mudhas, ”pizza in the sky theory” but we should also not accept lies from Freemason, Satanic demons such as NASA (Naturally All Stupid Arseholes!).
13. Vadiraja acbsp says:

    10. May 2018 at 5:28 am

    “Pea shape”. Mayeshvara has no faith in the Spiritual Master explanations. I don’t see any use of entertaining his mental concoctions. His brain is flat and his vision is cloudy. He is another lazy passive bystander who have nothing to contribute to our Movement .
14. David Fuller says:

    10. May 2018 at 9:32 am

    God, I am so glad I didn’t get blasted. Thank you all. Hare Krishna!

    Srila Prabhupada is a portal to the spiritual world. He’s not the only one, by the way. But he is definitely one.

    I am good friends with a “priest” at the new Lancaster CA. temple – Shiva Murti. He has a masters in Sanskrit and a degree in Vedic astronomy. We talk sometimes and he goes through the idea that the western and eastern are both right but looking from different directions. He did admit it makes more sense to consider the earth is revolving instead of the universe going around it, when considering other planets at other angles. I asked him “where is mount Meru?” And he said in the Himalayas. So after forty years I got an answer. Mount Everest maybe? That makes sense, India down below at the foot of smaller mountains with the biggest above them.
    So I’ve seen charter flights that can be taken that fly over Mount Everest, and I’m thinkin’, maybe I could go up there and see Narada, and get some of this stuff straightened out. -joking sorta.
    Soooo, IF there can be a parallel Vrindavana (in Goloka Vrindavana and on earth), why not a parallel Mount Meru (in Heaven and on earth?) You think about that. I’ll be workin’ with the priest and see where it goes. Cuz for me it hasn’t gone anywhere for forty years, at least since Sadaputa tried.
    Hare Krishna Haribol.
    Don’t be surprised if they did go to the Moon, but maybe not like they portray it. Watch out for paranoia and fanaticism, and I’ll try to become respectful, and maybe even read Mayesvara’s stuff.

    Thanks again for all tolerance.

    • Amar Puri says:

      11. May 2018 at 4:42 am

      David Prabhu, does Mount Meru not separate Heaven and Earth ?

      How does it matter most depend upon how do you come to think about that ?

      How you think about that it determines its result.

      Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
    • Bhakta Sam says:

      11. May 2018 at 3:48 pm

      Namaste David,

      According to this website tbe physical counterpart of Mt Meru is in Kenya, on the equator, ha ha! You’ll find it in any decent Atlas. Also, check out the nearby town names. Enjoy, fun reading.

      http://vedicastrology.wikidot.com/physical-astronomy-and-surya-siddhanta)

      Ys Sam
      हरे कृष्ण

      • Mahesh Raja says:

        12. May 2018 at 3:05 pm

        Note: Mt Meru in Kenya is NOT the same as that described in Srimad Bhagavatam (SUMERU, WHICH IS MADE OF SOLID GOLD). Plus – THERE ARE areas of this planet that we have NOT seen OR have NO ACCESS to. We do NOT accept FAKE moon landing NASA etc as our authority. Our authority is Srila Prabhupada: the REALIZED personality. We do not know what is BEYOND the Arctic region except what they say is covered by snow. THE SUN MOVES FOR SIX MONTHS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SUMERU HILL AND FOR SIX MONTHS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE:

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        Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.15.44
        —
        Los Angeles, December 22, 1973

        Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)

        udicim pravivesasam
        gata-purvam mahatmabhih
        hrdi brahma param dhyayan
        navarteta yato gatah

        Translation: “HE THEN STARTED TOWARDS THE NORTH, treading the path accepted by his forefathers and great men, to devote himself completely to the thought of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And he lived in that way wherever he went.”

        Prabhupada: UDICIM PRAVIVESA. SO ONE WHO GOES TO THE NORTHERN SIDE, IT IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD HE NEVER COMES BACK. NORTHERN SIDE MEANS THE ARCTIC ZONE, COVERED WITH SNOW. So this was known in Bhagavata days. Not only in Bhagavata days, some, about a thousand years ago also, there is Kalidasa’s book Kumara-sambhava. Kumara-sambhava, “The Birth of Karttikeya.” So in the book the beginning is asty uttarasyam disi himalayo nama nagadhirajah. Uttarasyam disi, in the northern side, there is mountain which is covered with snow, Himalaya. Hima means ice, hima. Asty uttarasyam disi himalayo nama nagadhirajah: “IN THE NORTHERN SIDE, THERE IS A HILL OR A MOUNTAIN WHICH IS ALWAYS COVERED BY SNOW.” ALTHOUGH AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, HIMALAYA, THERE IS ONE MOUNTAIN THAT IS ALSO CALLED HIMALAYA, MOUNT EVEREST, BUT I THINK THIS ARCTIC ZONE WAS REFERRED. BECAUSE IT IS SAID THAT “TOUCHING BOTH SIDES, WATER.” ASTY UTTARASYAM DISI HIMALAYO NAMA NAGADHIRAJAH, TOYA-NIDHI AVAGAHYA. TOYA-NIDHI. TOYA-NIDHI MEANS OCEANS, BOTH SIDES OCEAN, THE PACIFIC OCEAN AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. AVAGAHYA, TOUCHING. SO THE ARCTIC ZONE WAS REFERRED IN MANY BOOKS, VEDIC LITERATURE. It is not that it was unknown. Everything was known. The modern historians, they say like that. They say the Bhagavata was written about 1,500 years ago. No. Five thousand years ago. They bring everything within the Christian era. And before that, there was no history, according to them. But that is not the fact.
        ANYWAY, MAHARAJA YUDHISTHIRA WENT TO THE NORTHERN SIDE. Gata-purvam mahatmabhih. His forefathers, they were also mahatmas. Formerly the kings were not, I mean to say, licentious drunkards. They were all rsi, as good as great saintly persons, rajarsi. Therefore Bhagavad-gita was taught to the saintly kings. The modern people, they say that “Why not this movement amongst the poorer-class men?” They do not know who is poor. Anyone who is poor in spiritual understanding, he is poor. By material opulence, one does not become rich. He is animal. By material opulence, one may be polished animal, but he is animal. One who is spiritually advanced, he is actually in knowledge. Because basic principle is spirit. Without spiritual knowledge, anything, any so-called knowledge, advancement of knowledge, is simply mistake, mistake. Just like if you, in calculating one mathematical sum, if you commit mistake anywhere, the whole thing is spoiled. Whole thing is spoiled. You go on. You are making progress. But real mistake was there. It will never carry. The balance, it will not come into being.

        SB 5.16 Summary A Description of Jambudvipa
        While describing the character of Maharaja Priyavrata and his descendants, Sukadeva Gosvami also described Meru Mountain and the planetary system known as Bhu-mandala. Bhu-mandala is like a lotus flower, and its seven islands are compared to the whorl of the lotus. THE PLACE KNOWN AS JAMBUDVIPA IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WHORL. IN JAMBUDVIPA THERE IS A MOUNTAIN KNOWN AS SUMERU, WHICH IS MADE OF SOLID GOLD. THE HEIGHT OF THIS MOUNTAIN IS 84,000 YOJANAS, OF WHICH 16,000 YOJANAS ARE BELOW THE EARTH. ITS WIDTH IS ESTIMATED TO BE 32,000 YOJANAS AT ITS SUMMIT AND 16,000 YOJANAS AT ITS FOOT. (ONE YOJANA EQUALS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MILES.) THIS KING OF MOUNTAINS, SUMERU, IS THE SUPPORT OF THE PLANET EARTH.
        On the southern side of the land known as Ilavrta-varsa are the mountains known as Himavan, Hemakuta and Nisadha, and on the northern side are the mountains Nila, Sveta and Srnga. Similarly, on the eastern and western side there are Malyavan and Gandhamadana, two large mountains. SURROUNDING SUMERU MOUNTAIN ARE FOUR MOUNTAINS KNOWN AS MANDARA, MERUMANDARA, SUPARSVA AND KUMUDA, EACH 10,000 YOJANAS LONG AND 10,000 YOJANAS HIGH. On these four mountains there are trees a banyan tree. There are also lakes full of milk, honey, sugarcane juice and pure water. These lakes can fulfill all desires. There are also gardens named Nandana, Citraratha, Vaibhrajaka and Sarvatobhadra. On the side of Suparsva Mountain is a kadamba tree with streams of honey flowing from its hollows, and on Kumuda Mountain there is a banyan tree named Satavalsa, from whose roots flow rivers containing milk, yogurt and many other desirable things. SURROUNDING SUMERU MOUNTAIN LIKE FILAMENTS OF THE WHORL OF A LOTUS ARE TWENTY MOUNTAIN RANGES SUCH AS KURANGA, KURARA, KUSUMBHA, VAIKANKA AND TRIKUTA. To the east of Sumeru are the mountains Jathara and Devakuta, to the west are Pavana and Pariyatra, to the south are Kailasa and Karavira, and to the north are Trisrnga and Makara. These eight mountains are about 18,000 yojanas long, 2,000 yojanas wide and 2,000 yojanas high. ON THE SUMMIT OF MOUNT SUMERU IS BRAHMAPURI, THE RESIDENCE OF LORD BRAHMA. Each of its four sides is 10,000 yojanas long. Surrounding Brahmapuri are the cities of King Indra and seven other demigods. These cities are one fourth the size of Brahmapuri.

        SB 5.1.30 P The Activities of Maharaja Priyavrata
        From the description in this verse, it appears that the sun moves. According to modern astronomers, the sun is fixed in one place, surrounded by the solar system, but here we find that the sun is not stationary: it is rotating in a prescribed orbit. This fact is corroborated by Brahma-samhita (5.52). Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakrah: the sun is rotating in its fixed orbit in accordance with the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. According to Jyotir Veda, the science of astronomy in the Vedic literature, THE SUN MOVES FOR SIX MONTHS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SUMERU HILL AND FOR SIX MONTHS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. We have practical experience on this planet that when there is summer in the north there is winter in the south and vice versa. Modern materialistic scientists sometimes present themselves as knowing all the ingredients of the sun, yet they are unable to offer a second sun like Maharaja Priyavrata’s.

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        Yasomatinandana: SUMERU IS MADE OF GOLD, SRILA PRABHUPADA?
        Prabhupada: YES.
        Yasomatinandana: Where is that located? (laughter)
        Dr. Patel: In your mind.
        Prabhupada: NO. WHERE IS THE SUN LOCATED NOW?
        Yasomatinandana: 93,000,000…
        Prabhupada: No, no. Sun. Sun. Where is located now?
        Yasomatinandana: Oh, it’s out of my sight.
        Prabhupada: YOU CANNOT SEE IT.
        Yasomatinandana: Sumeru we cannot see. It’s not on the earth?
        Prabhupada: YOU CAN, BUT YOU HAVE NO EYES.

        • Mahesh Raja says:

          12. May 2018 at 7:13 pm

          Note: VALLEYS OF MOUNT MERU: SITUATED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE SUN AND THE EARTH
          SB 3.23.39 P Devahuti’ s Lamentation
          Kuvera is one of the eight demigods who are in charge of different directions of the universe. It is said that Indra is in charge of the eastern side of the universe, where the heavenly planet, or paradise, is situated. Similarly, Agni is in charge of the southeastern portion of the universe; Yama, the demigod who punishes sinners, is in charge of the southern portion; Nirrti is in charge of the southwestern part of the universe; Varuna, the demigod in charge of the waters, is in charge of the western portion; Vayu, who controls the air and who has wings to travel in the air, is in charge of the northwestern part of the universe; and Kuvera, the treasurer of the demigods, is in charge of the northern part of the universe. ALL THESE DEMIGODS TAKE PLEASURE IN THE VALLEYS OF MOUNT MERU, WHICH IS SITUATED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE SUN AND THE EARTH. In the aerial mansion, Kardama Muni traveled throughout the eight directions controlled by the different demigods described above, and as the demigods go to Mount Meru, he also went there to enjoy life. When one is surrounded by young, beautiful girls, sex stimulation naturally becomes prominent. Kardama Muni was sexually stimulated, and he enjoyed his wife for many, many years in that part of Mount Meru. But his sex indulgence was praised by many, many Siddhas, beings who have attained perfection, because it was intended to produce good progeny for the good of universal affairs.
    • Bhakta Sam says:

      13. May 2018 at 6:15 am

      Hare Kṛṣṇa David Prabhu, pamho, AGTSP!

      This is specifically to you, David Prabhu, not a general comment. Please bear with me.

      I am no scholar and admit to frequently making blunders in the mode of ignorance. So – sorry, I should have provided a redirect to the relevant part of the Surya Siddhanta article, as it is so long and technical that I hardly expect anyone to tediously wade through all of it. But please be sure to read at least the first few paragraphs to get the gist of it. Personally I skipped all the mathematics as it is way over my head. The chapter shortcuts to Mt Kenya/Meru found in the Table of Contents are:
      1.”Ancient Cosmogony and Geography”; and to a lesser extent
      2.”Earth is NOT situated centrally, the central point is Divine Meru”. Please note: with Kenya we are talking specifically about the GEOGRAPHICAL mountain found on the Equator around 37° 30′ E. Interested readers may find it appealing.

      What struck me earlier in the article as interesting was the differentiation between the physical planets’ positions and their divine counterparts where each planet’s Deity resides, of how astrological timing ERRORS may be produced unless this is taken in to consideration; and the later corresponding inference of the physically small 5 km high geographical Mt. Meru and the 28 km high divine Mt Meru.

      Because in ancient times Bharata-varsa included the whole planet ie “Egypt, Africa, etc” as we now know it was once a part of “India” (much like Southeast Asia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and the Middle East were) – taken in that context, the section on the derivation of African names Mt Kenya and Meru from Sanskrit isn’t really that far-fetched. IMHO, rather fascinating. I see no reason to dismiss this small Mt Meru as impossible to be the geographical one. Certainly no-one should confuse it with the divine Sumeru made of gold.

      Now, of course this website could all be a red herring, not being authentic Vaishnava scripture (it appears to be Hindu) – and this entire article http://vedicastrology.wikidot.com/physical-astronomy-and-surya-siddhanta may well be way off track. But in the presentation of physical and divine planes at seemingly irreconcilable odds with each other, this concurs with similar works of Vaishnava authors such as Sadaputa das (Dr Richard L. Thompson), so I hesitate to dismiss it offhandedly.

      Anyway, I’m not trying to PROVE anything – I can’t – I just thought it might help put questions into some context for us confused souls. Like many of us, I have no choice but to accept Srila Prabhupada’s words in good faith. Even though we’ve struggled since the 70’s to reconcile the Fifth Canto, that is not the point. We are not astrologers nor astronomers for that matter and wouldn’t even know how to apply the calculations regardless! And good luck to the TOVP!

      I just thought I’d provide some info on the Surya Siddhanta from the supposedly original old perspective – the 2,163,202 years old version, as opposed to the modern one claimed these days to be from the 4th or 5th century AD. I think it sheds a little more light on the “different planes” paradigm — if you take the time to read it!

      Hope that helps,
      Ys Sam.

      • Amar Puri says:

        13. May 2018 at 11:53 pm

        Sam Prabhu,

        Mr. Vinay Jha of http://vedicastrology.wikidot.com/physical-astronomy-and-surya-siddhanta seems like a modern Mundane Scholar and Philosopher which provides no authority of source of his knowledge he shares on his web site.

        Therefore, his knowledge is speculative which is subject to four defects.

        That is why, it is better to stick with the authoritative source of the knowledge of the informations being received and shared amongst like mind people.

        OM TAT SAT.

        Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
15. Marici Das says:

    10. May 2018 at 11:29 am

    Hare Krsna, Vadiraja acbsp prabhu,

    I am reading Mayesvara prabhu’s writing and I do not see his brain is flat at all.
    Of course I am nobody and you are Vadiraja acbsp.

    Hare Krsna
16. Mahesh Raja says:

    10. May 2018 at 9:55 pm

    Mayesvara das writes:

    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15707.htm

    The excitement and revolutionary spirit is also clearly discernible:

    Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, are the planets shaped liked balls or more like plates? Because it’s, it’s hard to understand, ’cause they’re called dvipas, “islands.” Their roundness is the roundness of a plate or like a ball?
    Prabhupada: Which one?
    Satsvarupa: The earth planet?
    Prabhupada: If it is like a tree, then these things can be as dvipa, island.
    Tamala Krishna: Wow. You know…
    Prabhupada: Eh?
    Tamala Krishna: The scientists are getting smashed to bits by your statements, Srila Prabhupada. This destroys their whole theory. Orbs, round spheres. I think that this Mayapura building, we must build a big planetarium in it.
    Prabhupada: Yes. That, that I am going to do, Vedic planetarium.
    Tamala Krishna: Oh, boy. You’re going to bring a lot of…. A lot of scientists will come here just to dispute this.
    Prabhupada: Yes.
    Pushta Krishna: Wonderful attraction.
    Prabhupada: World people will come to see the way the planetary systems…
    Tamala Krishna: We should advertise it very widely that this is the actual, factual explanation of the universe.
    Prabhupada: This will be automatically advertised. As soon as the temple is finished, people will come like anything.
    Hari-sauri: They’re going to need somebody to…
    Prabhupada: The thing is, on principle, we shall only go against them.
    Hamsaduta: Contrary.
    Prabhupada: On principle. Whatever they say “Yes,” we say “No.” (laughter)
    (Morning Walk, March 18 1976, Mayapur)

    We will discuss more about the above discussion in the next paper as it contains many interesting points. It is certainly significant that in response to Satsvarupa Goswami’s question about the shape of the Earth—whether it is round like a plate or round like a ball—Srila Prabhupada answers by saying ‘these things can be as dwipa,’ meaning Earth is round like a dwipa (island), not round like a ball. Tamala Krishna Goswami’s reply displays quick and sharp comprehension of the implications of Prabhupada’s answer for the globe concept: “The scientists are getting smashed to bits by your statements, Srila Prabhupada. This destroys their whole theory. Orbs, round spheres.”

    Note:above is what Mayesvara das has MANIPULATED to FIT IN with his Flat Earth THEORY. Here is how Srila Prabhupada clarifys: EVERY PLANET IS AN ISLAND:

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    DVIPA MEANS ISLAND. JUST LIKE THIS IS AN ISLAND. WE ARE SITTING IN THIS KAUAI ISLAND. WHY IT IS ISLAND? BECAUSE ALL AROUND WATER. SIMILARLY, ALL THESE PLANETS ARE CALLED ALSO ISLANDS. WHY? BECAUSE ALL AROUND THE SPACE, SPACE WATER. AS THIS IS SURROUNDED BY WATER, THE PLANETS ARE SURROUNDED BY SPACE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE SPACE, ETHEREAL OCEAN, THEN IT IS ISLAND. EVERY PLANET IS AN ISLAND.

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    ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis
    tabhir ya eva nija-rupataya kalabhih
    goloka eva nivasaty akhilatma-bhuto
    govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

    The Brahma-samhita says that His eternal form is ananda-cinmaya-rasa. Rasa means taste, mellow. So we are also seeking some rasa in everything–a juice. When you taste any fruit or anywhere, you are seeking after some juice, everyone. So there is another juice which is ananda-cinmaya, which is spiritual and simply blissful. That is Krsna’s form. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis. And when there is expansion of ananda-cinmaya, that spiritual bliss expansion, that expansion is ourself. He has expanded. We are that expansion, living entities. And ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabh… The gopis, gopis are also expansion. The cowherds boys, they are expansions. Everything. Krsna has expanded Himself. Eko bahu syama: “One. I am one.” The Supreme Lord says, ‘I am one. I shall expand.” So He has expanded by His energy, by His part and parcel, and everywhere the same quality is there. But there are proportion. Just like when there is fire there is bursting out of sparks. Some of the spark are very big; some of the spark are small, some of them, very small. In this way there are proportion. Similarly, all living entities, all energy, they are all expansion of Krsna. The material energy, the spiritual energy, the marginal energy, they are all expansion. Just like sunlight, expansion of the sun. And in the sunlight… It is very easy to understand. In the sunlight there are so many planets, and each and every planet have varieties of production, mountains, seas, ocean, trees, or trees. There are varieties of trees, animals, each and every planet. So nothing is void or impersonal. Everything is full of varieties, personalities. So you can understand. And what are these planets? These planets are called dvipa. DVIPA MEANS ISLAND. JUST LIKE THIS IS AN ISLAND. WE ARE SITTING IN THIS KAUAI ISLAND. WHY IT IS ISLAND? BECAUSE ALL AROUND WATER. SIMILARLY, ALL THESE PLANETS ARE CALLED ALSO ISLANDS. WHY? BECAUSE ALL AROUND THE SPACE, SPACE WATER. AS THIS IS SURROUNDED BY WATER, THE PLANETS ARE SURROUNDED BY SPACE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE SPACE, ETHEREAL OCEAN, THEN IT IS ISLAND. EVERY PLANET IS AN ISLAND.

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    Prabhupada: Yes. Saints and sages. Yes. “So you should not make association with anybody else, but you make your association only with saints and sages and make your, this valuable human form of life successful. Don’t waste your time. You worship Lord Krsna with the help of the saints and sages and make your life successful.” That he is requesting. “Don’t drive in this irresponsible way to put me into the ocean.” And it is also requested that “We are just like in the ocean of birth and death.” THIS MATERIAL COSMIC SITUATION IS SOMETIMES EXPLAINED AS THE OCEAN, AND THESE PLANETS, THEY ARE EXPLAINED AS ISLANDS. AND ACTUALLY, THEY ARE ISLANDS IN THE AIR. JUST LIKE WE HAVE GOT ISLANDS IN THE SEA AND OCEAN, SIMILARLY, THESE PLANETS ARE ISLANDS IN THE AIR, AIR ISLANDS, SO MANY PLANETS.

    SB 4.17.21 P Maharaja Prthu Becomes Angry at the Earth
    Beneath the entire planetary system is the garbha water. Lord Visnu lies on this garbha water, and from His abdomen a lotus stem grows, AND ALL THE PLANETS WITHIN THE UNIVERSE ARE FLOATING IN THE AIR, being supported by this lotus stem. If a planet is destroyed, it must fall into the water of garbha. The earth therefore warned King Prthu that he could gain nothing by destroying her. Indeed, how would he protect himself and his citizens from drowning in the garbha water? IN OTHER WORDS, OUTER SPACE MAY BE COMPARED TO AN OCEAN OF AIR, AND EACH AND EVERY PLANET IS FLOATING ON IT JUST AS A BOAT OR ISLAND FLOATS ON THE OCEAN. SOMETIMES PLANETS ARE CALLED DVIPA, OR ISLANDS, AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE CALLED BOATS. THUS THE COSMIC MANIFESTATION IS PARTIALLY EXPLAINED IN THIS REFERENCE BY THE COW-SHAPED EARTH.

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    The seven islands (dvipas) are known as (1) Jambu, (2) Saka, (3) Salmali, (4) Kusa, (5) Kraunca, (6) Gomeda, or Plaksa, and (7) Puskara. The planets are called dvipa. Outer space is like an ocean of air. JUST AS THERE ARE ISLANDS IN THE WATERY OCEAN, THESE PLANETS IN THE OCEAN OF SPACE ARE CALLED DVIPAS, OR ISLANDS IN OUTER SPACE. There are nine khandas, known as (1) Bharata, (2) Kinnara, (3) Hari, (4) Kuru, (5) Hiranmaya, (6) Ramyaka, (7) Ilavrta, (8) Bhadrasva and (9) Ketumala. These are different parts of the Jambudvipa. A valley between two mountains is called a khanda or varsa.

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    Seated on His chariot with Arjuna, Krsna began to proceed north, crossing over many planetary systems. These are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as sapta-dvipa. Dvipa means island. ALL THESE PLANETS, ARE SOMETIMES DESCRIBED IN THE VEDIC LITERATURE AS DVIPAS. THE PLANET ON WHICH WE ARE LIVING IS CALLED JAMBUDVIPA. OUTER SPACE IS TAKEN AS A GREAT OCEAN OF AIR, AND WITHIN THAT GREAT OCEAN OF AIR THERE ARE MANY ISLANDS, WHICH ARE THE DIFFERENT PLANETS. IN EACH AND EVERY PLANET THERE ARE OCEANS ALSO. IN SOME OF THE PLANETS, THE OCEANS ARE OF SALT WATER, AND IN SOME OF THEM THERE ARE OCEANS OF MILK. IN OTHERS THERE ARE OCEANS OF LIQUOR, AND IN OTHERS THERE ARE OCEANS OF GHEE OR OIL. THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOUNTAINS ALSO. EACH AND EVERY PLANET HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE.

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    Prabhupada: This island might have changed, the name. Because there are so many islands. Just like the Java(?) island and Laksadvipa island, very small islands. Similarly, this Meru is also another island. Not only these small island, but according to Vedic culture, each planet is called island. Each planet. Just like this planet, earthly planet, is called Jambudvipa. Why it is called dvipa? DVIPA MEANS ISLAND. BECAUSE ACTUALLY IT IS ISLAND OF THE AIR. JUST LIKE THERE ARE SO MANY ISLANDS IN THE SEA, SIMILARLY, THIS VAST AIR, OUTER SPACE, AND ALL THESE PLANETS, ARE FLOATING LIKE ISLAND. THEREFORE THEY ARE CALLED ISLAND, DVIPA, JAMBUDVIPA. HERE IN THIS EARTHLY PLANET, LONG, LONG AGO, IT IS SAID IN THE VEDIC LITERATURES, SAPTA-DVIPA. SAPTA MEANS SEVEN. SO THIS EARTHLY PLANET IS OF SEVEN DVIPA, SEVEN ISLANDS. THESE TWO AMERICAS, NORTH AND SOUTH, THEY ARE ISLANDS. AFRICA, ONE ISLAND. AND COMBINED ASIA AND EUROPE, ANOTHER ISLAND. THE TWO POLES, TWO ISLANDS. AUSTRALIA, ANOTHER ISLAND. You see? Sapta-dvipa. So they say they discovered America. But this discovery was long, long, many, many millions of years, it was known. Where is the discovery? Their poor fund of knowledge. Because they have no knowledge in the Vedic literature, they think, “Now I discovered.” Just like a child born, he thinks, “Now I’ve discovered the world. Before my birth, there was no world.” This kind of knowledge called poor fund of knowledge.

    SB 5.1.31 P The Activities of Maharaja Priyavrata
    SOMETIMES THE PLANETS IN OUTER SPACE ARE CALLED ISLANDS. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE OF VARIOUS TYPES OF ISLANDS IN THE OCEAN, AND SIMILARLY THE VARIOUS PLANETS, DIVIDED INTO FOURTEEN LOKAS, ARE ISLANDS IN THE OCEAN OF SPACE. As Priyavrata drove his chariot behind the sun, he created seven different types of oceans and planetary systems, which altogether are known as Bhu-mandala, or Bhuloka. In the Gayatri mantra, we chant, om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam. Above the Bhuloka planetary system is Bhuvarloka, and above that is Svargaloka, the heavenly planetary system. All these planetary systems are controlled by Savita, the sun-god. By chanting the Gayatri mantra just after rising early in the morning, one worships the sun-god.

    Madhya 20.218 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science
    THE SEVEN ISLANDS (DVIPAS) ARE KNOWN AS (1) JAMBU, (2) SAKA, (3) SALMALI, (4) KUSA, (5) KRAUNCA, (6) GOMEDA, OR PLAKSA, AND (7) PUSKARA. THE PLANETS ARE CALLED DVIPA. OUTER SPACE IS LIKE AN OCEAN OF AIR. JUST AS THERE ARE ISLANDS IN THE WATERY OCEAN, THESE PLANETS IN THE OCEAN OF SPACE ARE CALLED DVIPAS, OR ISLANDS IN OUTER SPACE. There are nine khandas, known as (1) Bharata, (2) Kinnara, (3) Hari, (4) Kuru, (5) Hiranmaya, (6) Ramyaka, (7) Ilavrta, (8) Bhadrasva and (9) Ketumala. These are different parts of the Jambudvipa. A valley between two mountains is called a khanda or varsa.

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    Seated on His chariot with Arjuna, Krsna began to proceed north, crossing over many planetary systems. THESE ARE DESCRIBED IN THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM AS SAPTA-DVIPA. DVIPA MEANS ISLAND. ALL THESE PLANETS, ARE SOMETIMES DESCRIBED IN THE VEDIC LITERATURE AS DVIPAS. THE PLANET ON WHICH WE ARE LIVING IS CALLED JAMBUDVIPA. OUTER SPACE IS TAKEN AS A GREAT OCEAN OF AIR, AND WITHIN THAT GREAT OCEAN OF AIR THERE ARE MANY ISLANDS, WHICH ARE THE DIFFERENT PLANETS. IN EACH AND EVERY PLANET THERE ARE OCEANS ALSO. IN SOME OF THE PLANETS, THE OCEANS ARE OF SALT WATER, AND IN SOME OF THEM THERE ARE OCEANS OF MILK. IN OTHERS THERE ARE OCEANS OF LIQUOR, AND IN OTHERS THERE ARE OCEANS OF GHEE OR OIL. THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOUNTAINS ALSO. EACH AND EVERY PLANET HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE.

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    The Brahma-samhita says that His eternal form is ananda-cinmaya-rasa. Rasa means taste, mellow. So we are also seeking some rasa in everything–a juice. When you taste any fruit or anywhere, you are seeking after some juice, everyone. So there is another juice which is ananda-cinmaya, which is spiritual and simply blissful. That is Krsna’s form. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis. And when there is expansion of ananda-cinmaya, that spiritual bliss expansion, that expansion is ourself. He has expanded. We are that expansion, living entities. And ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabh… The gopis, gopis are also expansion. The cowherds boys, they are expansions. Everything. Krsna has expanded Himself. Eko bahu syama: “One. I am one.” The Supreme Lord says, ‘I am one. I shall expand.” So He has expanded by His energy, by His part and parcel, and everywhere the same quality is there. But there are proportion. Just like when there is fire there is bursting out of sparks. Some of the spark are very big; some of the spark are small, some of them, very small. In this way there are proportion. Similarly, all living entities, all energy, they are all expansion of Krsna. The material energy, the spiritual energy, the marginal energy, they are all expansion. Just like sunlight, expansion of the sun. And in the sunlight… It is very easy to understand. In the sunlight there are so many planets, and each and every planet have varieties of production, mountains, seas, ocean, trees, or trees. There are varieties of trees, animals, each and every planet. So nothing is void or impersonal. Everything is full of varieties, personalities. So you can understand. And what are these planets? These planets are called dvipa. DVIPA MEANS ISLAND. JUST LIKE THIS IS AN ISLAND. WE ARE SITTING IN THIS KAUAI ISLAND. WHY IT IS ISLAND? BECAUSE ALL AROUND WATER. SIMILARLY, ALL THESE PLANETS ARE CALLED ALSO ISLANDS. WHY? BECAUSE ALL AROUND THE SPACE, SPACE WATER. AS THIS IS SURROUNDED BY WATER, THE PLANETS ARE SURROUNDED BY SPACE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE SPACE, ETHEREAL OCEAN, THEN IT IS ISLAND. EVERY PLANET IS AN ISLAND.

    Note: Islands(DVIPA) are as YOU see on water are flat on the earth. BUT Islands in SKY they are planets EGG SHAPED. Srila Prabhupada states EVERY PLANET IS AN ISLAND. This includes sun, moon etc etc etc Mayesvara das has got his Christian concept which he wants to promote of Flat Earth:

    http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/christians-and-flat-earth-concept-srila.html

    Prabhupāda: They have no answer. As soon as I asked this question… Yesterday also, last, that television, he also asked the same question. He has purchased all our books. So “Why this Christian religion is declined?” And “Why it will not? Why you are violating?” He could not answer. He could not answer. He will violate… All, many Christian priests ask me this question, and as soon as they put this question, they stop. They stop. They cannot answer. “Why you are killing? The first order is ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ and why you are killing?” They cannot answer. I asked them two questions. “Why unlimited God shall have only one son? And why you are killing?” They cannot answer. Or you answer?
    Umāpati: No.
    Prabhupāda: THE EARTH WAS FLAT. THEY BELIEVED THAT THE WORLD IS FLAT. SO HOW MUCH IMPERFECT KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE GOT. So imperfect knowledge, how long it can go? Just like we are going to challenge all these rascals that life is grown out of matter. We are going to challenge. It is not a fact. So how long you can cheat people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.

    https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1973/may/morning_walk_at_cheviot_hills_golf_course/los_angeles/may/15/1973

    • Amar Puri says:

      11. May 2018 at 6:28 pm

      FLAT EARTH Graphic design promoters have their own AGENDA to fulfill NOT necessarily as Srila Prabhupada desires and instructs to His Followers / Devotees for setting up the presentation.

      They take the information from Srila Prabhupada what ever it suits their agenda and other non-bonafide sources available on the Surface of the Globe, and present it to the massive people to create a smoke screen in a deceptive and distorted out of context information gathered with Self Interested Interpretation simply for their personal profit.

      THAT is very very very dangerous.

      All of US must be prepared to fight back the misleading presentation of the FLAT EARTH when they use Srila Prabhupada’s VANI for their Self Interested motivation.

      -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

      Mahesh Raja Prabhu ; Your great enthusiasm to fight back with all types of CHEATERS in the dress of Vaishnava is always appreciated.

      You are really and truly the Gate Keeper to the Srila Prabhupada/s VANI in exposing those who utilizes our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s VANI for their Self Interested Motivation to satisfy their Personal Agenda.

      May the blessings of His Divine Grace be upon US all.

      OM TAT SAT.

      Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
17. Vadiraja acbsp says:

    11. May 2018 at 5:21 am

    David,of course “he is not the only one”,but who said he was,and if you have another one in mind,What’s his name? Hare Krsna.
18. acsd says:

    14. May 2018 at 9:16 am

    pamho
    agtacbsp.

    we are also compare to universes we are s mall universes and we can know ourselves by study our nature which is same quality of sri krsna used to say hdg acbsp. everything is perfect everything was perfect and everything will be back perfect again this is the perfect phylosophy of the vedic sastra.

    of course many universes physically mentally etc.. are not uttama adhikari therefore are still envious of guru sadhu and sastra

    agtacbsp
    ys haribol
19. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    14. May 2018 at 10:55 am

    See …………….The LATE GREAT FLAT EARTH PSYOP………….Youtube
20. David Fuller says:

    16. May 2018 at 6:47 am

    Hare Krishna,

    Thanks for all of your grace.

    When I talk of others being portals to the spiritual world, I refer to Deities usually, in various Hindu or Buddhist temples and whatever grouping of souls along with the divine that make this path experienced. Most recently I would say Mathioli Saraswati maharani is a portal to the spiritual world, she recently physically passed away. There has been and is a picture of her in the Lancaster Hindu temple and I receive quite a bit of mercy through her. Pretty much any temple I go to regardless of the sampradaya, I get spiritual experiences. And even Christianity I have seen basically the same light approach piercing the material coverings that I get in Hindu or Hare Krishna temples. It would be kind of funny to think that most gurus or all but one are false. It could start crusades.

    We don’t have experience of islands without the Earth underneath the island and underneath the water around it. An island in space could have any particular shape such as a globe or some of the oblong asteroids etc. But it would be three dimensional from all sides. What we see in the sky such as planets and the moon have convex rather than concave shadowing from the sunlight indicating a globe shape. If they are revolving, and we can see that, they would have to be distorting in shape away from a globe shape to make some other form seen from another angle.

    It is fine to think Meru to be between Earth and heaven. But how to describe that to the billions of conditioned souls in an acceptable fashion that would endear them to Vedic philosophy is the question.
    I for one have had many experiences but nothing with very clear vision of what I am experiencing. Sure a spiritual dimension can approach, pick one off the temple floor and give one the experience of what it is like to have their karmic and bodily misery removed, like that of a million tons of misery, but I have never SEEN clearly more then just part of persons, like hands or feet from the divine dimension. Or usually just spiritual light purifying me and lifting me from darkness.
    The other experience is that of external perception. That is what most people seem to experience and many have intensely examined it for every material gain with quite advanced “tools” and what they say they find, externally fits my external perceptions.

    If it comes to “faith”, we tend to use our experiences to solidify our particular state of what we “think” is reality. I’ve looked at all the moon landing stuff, and yes, there are many questions, but also some answers. I’ve owned telescopes and seen the rings on Saturn, Sunspots, craters etc, moons around other planets. And just like a sadhu would expect to arrive in India after boarding a jetliner, (meaning they have faith in material science through experience too), I can’t believe there is some great conspiracy hiding the real Vedic understanding of what this earth is that we are sitting on. To me there are too many reasons for too many people to explore and share their findings, for fame, profit, whatever that there is no part of this planet that hasn’t been explored except deep ocean. That’s my opinion. Sure Google-Earth has areas it manufactures scenery for, I recently tried to find the large rock monolith up by Mammoth lakes that I took pictures of, and its not there in Google-earth except in the road views, you can see it a little through the trees, but the “flying” manner to view scenery doesn’t have it.
    However I look at NOAA every day I am at work to see the weather patterns and they are accurate for my particular place on this earth. I monitor wind turbine parks and we like to know and make wind forecasts and watch for lightning for safety reasons. So I can see that ground based radar works and satellite radar also works.
    I “know” they can fly all around the world. I’ve done it and looked out the window and seen part of the earth and ended up where the ticket said I was going.
    I’m not saying conspiracies don’t exist. If you look at Pilots for truth 9-11, Architects and engineers for 9-11 truth, JFK II the Bush connection, and Bankers versus Presidents, and many other things, it can paint a different picture of the world, more like a Ravana’s kingdom. But even Prabhupada says they are small demons, not like Ravana.
    So I am thinking the material earth IS like “they” say. All of the mystic, spiritual or divine worlds are not clear to me, though I’ve had experience of them. The supreme can manifest as much as He likes, probably any way He likes. At the same time, self delusion is also very powerful, belief and limited knowledge as well as fanatical denial are practically ever present in the way a particular person wants to think.
    Jesus, look how the meat-eaters twisted the Bible? Good grief King James made almost any act an act of eating meat and we should thank God for that! But that’s not what the Bible says in its original text. And who even wrote that?
    I wish lord Chaitanya would have been an astronomer instead of a grammarian in a language most of the world doesn’t speak.
    In astronomy magazines, they advertise fairly expensive telescopes that will track various heavenly bodies. There’s a computer program that uses electric motors to track the object so you can use photography that takes a picture over up to hours of the moving object. The idea is to gather more light from that object to get a better picture. I doubt if they are lying when they do that. And that kind of means they can provide a program for your particular location that will track celestial bodies. So I “believe” they have a fairly advanced science of looking at space. I believe they have the Hubble telescope. Why lie?
    They may all be cheaters, but wouldn’t one point out the cheating of another for fame and profit? I think global lying is more for the world banking, energy, armaments, drugs etc. cartels that create “history” sometimes literally and sometimes in history books or mass media disinformation for the sake of global resource exploitation both physical and human. And a lot of people see through that to some degree. But flat-earth or lotus petal shaped earth, to me that is more like believing in Disneyland. But maybe spiritual experience can manipulate the material realm.

    Even so, materialsts might be able to analyze the mechanisms that are visible to our material eyes, but the ultimate “gain” is like that of studying the wheel on your car. It doesn’t reveal the purpose or use of the car, let alone anything about the driver or the driver’s reason for having a car. The entire reason for a car is up to the driver and the car goes nowhere without the driver. Meaning its a dead science.

    As for a Vedic planetarium, although really beautiful, I think it is more a museum of Vedic cosmological thought. A planetarium is usually where people directly view the cosmos with measuring instruments. I guess.

    Sadaputa did as well as anyone I know of, and just saying the islands and oceans mentioned in the Fifth canto semi-correlate with orbits of planets in an earth-centered “universe” doesn’t explain such islands and oceans and what they might be sitting on. It is a rough comparison between different objects in description, only similar in distances.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada, this is the argument that has to be overcome, and far harder when you get to real astronomers who don’t want to be devotees and have multi-million dollar telescopes, airplanes, satellites etc. I’m guessing that will be harder. BUT the “planetarium” will instill the idea of a hierarchy of controllers under God and will attract all manners of argument and may bring about some greater understanding somehow.

    Sure if somebody has the vision of mount Meru I hope they can put it into a description the world can understand.

    God bless you all.

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      16. May 2018 at 5:01 pm

      Dear David Prabhu, Hare Krishna.

      The Bhu Mandala is Acintya, which means ‘inconceivable’. So how to make a ‘three dimensional’ model of it has to be riddled with flaws, no matter how sincere the endeavor?
      I am sure that Srila Prabhupada wanted that everyone is engaged in reading Srimad Bhagavatam so in this way he has tricked everyone. Sooner or later one has to come to the realization that he knows nothing and that ONLY by the mercy of the Lord can one transcend this entire material creation, which is only a place of ignorance, misery and death.

      You say that you don’t believe there is a conspiracy. So on this point you are in the majority, because a conspiracy is only possible when the majority do not believe it! That is the way secret societies have ruled Vox Populi for thousands of years. This is like saying that you don’t believe in ‘secrets’ because if they existed then EVERYONE WOULD KNOW ABOUT THEM! This is why Srila Prabhupada did not give a fig for popular opinion.

      King James was a Freemason for around 10 years when they wrote King James’ Bible with John Dee (founder of ‘British Intelligence’ and a Enochean Black Magician, Rosicrucian and Freemason) and Francis Bacon also a Satanist, Rosicrucian, Freemason. NASA is a Freemason organization and their goal is to DISPROVE the existence of God through”science”. The real goal of science is actually to PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD! This is why NASA cannot be trusted!

      Columbus was a Knights Templar (that is why the sails of his ships bore the Maltese Cross), The Templars became the 33 degree Freemasons after the burning at the stake of Templar Jacques De Molay in 1314 France. Some Templars became Scots Guards and joined Robert the Bruce and some went to Portugal. Columbus enslaved and tortured millions. He is responsible for the brutal murder of around 3 million Caribbean Indians. Vasco De Gama, was a member of ‘The Knights of Christ’ another offshoot of the Templars (as were the Knights Hospitaler of St John of Jerusalem) was also a mass murderer. They just change the name but their business is the same and it is Satanism which underpins all of it! This is why they worship the PHOENIX BIRD as it ‘burns to ashes’ when discovered but then reappears as something else (same wine, different bottle!).

      NASA Freemasons (as other high ranking Masons) are bound by a ‘blood oath’ and engaging in sinful and/or illegal acts to reach the highest ‘degrees’ THAT IS WHY THEY LIE, as to ‘give the game away’ results in them losing their careers, being set up, framed or killed. This is why most (if not all) high profile persons, politicians, etc etc ‘go along with the script’ as they have sold their souls and can be ‘brought down’ very easily if they don’t “follow the script!”, such as Princess Diana, Robert Kennedy, JFK.

      There are no gurus in ISKCON, this is why this site exists as all these ”bogus gurus” (and I know them all) are just thieves and liars. If you really want ‘clarity of vision’ then this will only happen by taking shelter of the present and only Diksa Guru and Acharya of ISKCON AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and immerse yourself in his original books. The association of the bogus personalities cannot help clarify your perception. It will only cloud your vision. Most of the devotees on this site have had decades of experience of being cheated by these fools who are sending ISKCON to Hell!

      THESE RASCALS WILL NEVER DEBATE WITH US BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE DEFEATED AND EXPOSED VERY QUICKLY AND LOSE ALL OF THEIR FALSE PRESTIGE AND GULLIBLE FOLLOWERS, SO ALL YOU WILL GET FROM THEM IS MONOLOGUE, OR INDULGENCE IN THE COMPANY OF THEIR ‘STARRY-EYED’ GROUPIES!

      I am only saying this because you seem to have a few misconceptions about things, but also a desire to know the truth.

      Thank you for your patience!

      Hare Krishna

      Your servant……. Sudarsana
21. Acsd says:

    16. May 2018 at 9:38 am

    pamho
    agtacbsp.

    to tell you the truth this planet is broken fallen because of unworthy and unwanted leaders in this corrupted and polluted society make by rotten kali chelas who refuse to glorify the yuga dharma of sri harinam cintamani

    agtacbsp
    ys haribol
22. Bhakta Sam says:

    16. May 2018 at 12:00 pm

    Hare Kṛṣṇa David Prabhu,

    What a great handwritten letter, no lengthy “cut&pastes”, just pouring your heart out. Not gonna say much, instead, will wait and see what happens next ha ha especially after “Sure if somebody has a vision of mount Meru..” etc. I expect our Webmaster will be burning the candle at both ends now dealing with the increased traffic… dare I say, all glories to the Webmaster!

    I will say this though.

    I had to look up “istagosthi” to see where I went wrong. I am still confused. So is it ok to go on and on about Flat Earth, Moon Hoax, Illuminati/Freemason/Zionist/NWO, but as soon as anyone brings up topics like Astronomy/Hindu/Jyotish/Suryasiddhanta/”other sources” or any type of self-realisation or knowledge outside of Iskcon etc., it appears one has shot oneself in the foot? I am a little confused as to what I can and cannot say.

    Now… to resolve modern astronomy and the Fifth Canto… just because the New York Times reports that Donald Trump is President of USA, we do dismiss it as nonsense because it is not a Vaishnav newspaper? No.

    I suggest that the mere physical universe is not what is described in the 5th Canto. Perhaps it is more, another dimension that forms the basis for the mundane manifestation… and obviously not perceptible to our limited senses. It appears these cosmological arguments present a challenge to settle within initiated Iskcon devotees past and present (as seems to be the situation for 40 years) and anyone else concerned (including us uninitiated) due to our lack of collective realisation. We may just have to wait until the next self-effulgent acharya appears… we are all anxious for answers…

    Ys, Sam
    हरे कृष्ण
23. Amar Puri says:

    16. May 2018 at 8:24 pm

    Bhakta Sam says ; ” ………. any type of self-realisation or knowledge outside of Iskcon etc., it appears one has shot oneself in the foot? I am a little confused as to what I can and cannot say. ”

    There is only ONE type NOT any type of Self realization. As the words say : Self realization means understanding and knowing the SELF through the eyes of the Shastras, Sadhu and the Guru Srila Prabhupada in the parampara. That is Self Realization.

    If any one can not understand this basic meaning of understanding of the knowledge of the Self, then, all kinds of arguments presented by the so called materially realized knowledge will always present a challenge due to lack of the proper understanding of the knowledge of the Self Realization through the authoritative sources which do not contradict, and as a result of its lacking of the proper knowledge all sorts of confusions arise.

    So a wise man does not need to wait until the next self-effulgent acharya because the Self Effulgent Acharya His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is present through His VANI. One should have anxiety only to seek and learn from Srila Prabhupada’s VANI which is widely available.

    Hope it meets you satisfactory.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

    • Bhakta Sam says:

      17. May 2018 at 12:25 pm

      Thank you Prabhu for setting me straight.I say some foolish things sometimes which I later regret. Not being disciplined myself, I admire and respect devotees who follow Śrīla Prabhupāda’s instructions properly. Sometimes though I get a bit bitter from having my fingers burnt by one or two devotees and ex-devotees of, shall I say, dubious character, and out slips hasty judgements.

      So, I am sorry if I offended anyone by my thoughts and words. Hare Kṛṣṇa, thank you, Sam
24. Amar Puri says:

    18. May 2018 at 2:44 am

    Bhakta Sam says ; ” ….Sometimes though I get a bit bitter from having my fingers burnt by one or two devotees and ex-devotees of, shall I say, dubious character, and out slips hasty judgements. ”

    Prabhu, the Visitors writing comments on this web site not only protect and promote Srila Prabhupada’s VANI but they practise and preach also Srila Prabhupada’s VANI by sharing their understanding of same through comments on various topics such as this.

    So being sincere and serious seeker of cultivating in the KC. followers out of perhaps some curiosity sake they do visit and make their comments as you did. That is how we learn and share our respective knowledge of understanding Srila Prabhupada’s VANI through comments besides hearing from His Divine Grace writings.

    Prabhu, since you seem one of the serious visitor as it appears from your comments, therefore, your thoughts and words are well taken and appreciated.

    OM TAT SAT

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
25. Amar Puri says:

    18. May 2018 at 2:51 am

    Srila Prabhupada explains ; ” How To Become Self Realization in an instantly ” !

    Jan 25 Puri 1977
    Satsvarūpa: How does a preacher realize? How does a preacher come to realize?

    Prabhupāda: He must know that he’s servant.

    Satsvarūpa: By hearing.

    Prabhupāda: By practically knowing he’s a… Are you independent, anyone? Everyone is servant. He’s serving his senses. That’s all. He’s servant. He’s never master. But he has become the servant of māyā or senses. That’s all. He has to change only; instead of becoming servant of māyā, be servant of Kṛṣṇa. Servant he is. Where he’ll go? How he will become master? To remain a servant is his position. He cannot become master. That is false pride. As soon as he wants to be master, that is false pride. That is māyā. “So if I am servant, then I have to serve. So why shall I serve the senses’ dictation? I will serve Kṛṣṇa, what He says.” So he’s self-realized immediately, within a second. Where is the difficulty to become self-realized? Hm? Is there any difficulty? He must know that “I am serving. I am never master. But serving the senses, that’s all, whims of the senses in the name of independence.” That is not possible. Very simple philosophy. One who understands, he’s self-realized. And if he preaches, then he becomes recognized. On this principle we shall help everyone. “Come here. Stay with us nicely. Nicely you can. But serve Kṛṣṇa. We take responsibility.” Organize in this way throughout the whole world. Give them shelter; give them food; give them cloth. That is the most benevolent welfare activity in the human society. So here people have generally tendency to come to the beach to enjoy. “All right, we shall give you a place. Come on. Stay here. You haven’t got to pay anything for food or lodging. Simply attend ārati, classes. Then… For experiment, three days’ period, you see.”

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
26. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    18. May 2018 at 6:02 am

    This “Flat Earth” PSYOP has been ‘reinvented and rejuvenated’ because of the ‘CO2 Global Warming Myth!’
    They are using this PSYOP to discredit those who have exposed this CO2 Myth as a FRAUD, by saying that ”skeptics” must be living in the ”dark ages”, this is why they worship flat earth”. They use it (and for many decades past!) to discredit religion by comparing religious people of being “anti-science”, but it is them who are anti-science because HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE TO PROVE THE NON-EXISTENCE OF GOD? THIS IS JUST THE BUSINESS OF THOSE WHO ARE WORSHIPERS OF SATAN, THIS WHY THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FREEMASONRY AND SATANISM.

    The leader of the Flat Earth Society has actually objected to this accusation and says that he believes in ‘Co2 Global Warming!’ So this guy has been “suckered” by two PSYOPs , “Co2 Global Warming Myth AND “Flat Earth Myth!” Just how dumb can you get?

    Washington Irving, who wrote this nonsense about Columbus was also associated with Freemasonry and his brother was also a Freemason (Holland Lodge # 8 NYC), which was founded by John Jacob Astor (America’s first billionaire) He (Irving) also took control of The Astor Library after the death of Astor. He (Astor) made a fortune in the fur trade, but the Irvings were in the fur trade also. Astor was a liar, criminal and murderer and is one of the 13 worldwide Illuminati families. Actually most of Astors wealth came from smuggling opium together with Huntington Russell (who started The Skull and Bones Brotherhood of Death). Formally a Jewish butcher from Waldorf Germany JJ Astor would only pay fur trappers by cheque, then he would ask them where they were heading for the next fur hunt and send his men to ambush them, and then murder them, so they could not cash the cheque! Then his men would stick Indian arrows into the body which created many reprisal wars against local Indians, who were set up and innocent of these crimes against them. So this just goes to show what dirty, filth these people are and how their ruthless, lying and cheating is their whole means of existence!

    This is all in ‘The 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati’ (by Fritz Springmeier) and one thing I have found over the many years of investigating this stuff is that IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE MOST EVIL, FALSE, CRIMINAL, IMMORAL, MURDEROUS DEEDS TIME AND TIME AGAIN!
    Just like Trump who is a tool of the Jewish (Russian) Mafia. His grandfather made all his money by being a dirty pimp and slumlord. These people are scum and have never made an honest buck in their lives, but they make lots of money as they are associates of pedophiles, thieves, liars, rapists and thugs.

    In the last few days we have seen Trumps “brainwashed” daughter open the US Embassy in Jerusalem and the same time Israelis murder over a hundred protesters (and injure thousands). At the SAME TIME Annuttama Das from ISKCON (the Inane Sacrilege for Kike Concoction) is welcoming the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC! This is a downright disgrace and has been all choreographed, and timed by these DIRTY ZIONIST DEMONS. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF ABRAHAMIC, RELIGIOUS JEWS IN ISRAEL THAT CONTINUALLY DEMONSTRATE AGAINST THIS FASCIST, EVIL, ZIONIST REGIME OF MURDERERS AND LIARS! AND ARE CONTINUALLY BEING BEATEN UP AND ARRESTED BY THESE SCUM!

    THIS REALLY IS A NEW LOW FOR THESE FISKCON FASCIST BASTARDS, WHO ARE IN CONTROL OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S ISKCON! A CONSPIRACY IS ONLY POSSIBLE IN A WORLD OF IGNORANT FOOLS AND RASCALS THAT “DON’T BELIEVE A CONSPIRACY EXISTS!”
27. Amar Puri says:

    18. May 2018 at 3:47 pm

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu, your writing indeed reminds me how Shri Gottotkacha one of the son of Maharaja Bhimsen destroyed all the demoniac opponents in the Mahabharata Yudh.

    The same way your expert writing about all the demons so called religious, political and social leaders of all kinds who are leading the massive ignorant people at large world wide into destructive activities are exposing and bringing an alarming TRUTH out as a warning for us all to take shelter at the authoritative Instructions of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.

    You are truly a warrior. Your thoughts are always appreciated.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
28. Mahesh Raja says:

    18. May 2018 at 9:57 pm

    Bhakta Sam: So is it ok to go on and on about Flat Earth, Moon Hoax, Illuminati/Freemason/Zionist/NWO, but as soon as anyone brings up topics like Astronomy/Hindu/Jyotish/Suryasiddhanta/”other sources” or any type of self-realisation or knowledge outside of Iskcon etc., it appears one has shot oneself in the foot? I am a little confused as to what I can and cannot say.

    Mahesh: no offense intended, Prabhu. Here, on this site, we just discuss -openly- all the topics and see what the TRUTH is. There was no personal attack on you – at all. We are only discussing from philosophical aspect – so that we get knowledge. True understanding.
    Srila Prabhupada’s books are LAW books for understanding therefore we compare the siddhanta:

    76-09-22. Letter: Ayodhyapati
    Your siddhanta is correct to the sastra and in this way go on reading books and have the correct perception and Krsna will help you. siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha haite krsna lage sudrdha manasa. A SINCERE STUDENT SHOULD NOT NEGLECT THE DISCUSSION OF SUCH CONCLUSIONS, CONSIDERING THEM CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS SRENGTHEN THE MIND. THUS ONE’S MIND BECOMES ATTACHED TO SRI KRSNA.
    YOU SHOULD BE ALWAYS ALERT IN UNDERSTANDING THE SASTRIC CONCLUSIONS THAT WILL HELP YOU, OTHERWISE WE CAN BE MISLED BY BOGUS PHILOSOPHIES. I am very pleased that you are studying the books. This will make you happy and successful.

    Note: we have to know the difference between the ACTUAL Surya-siddhanta commentaries of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura against those that are MADE TO LOOK LIKE what he wrote BUT ACTUALLY ARE NOT HIS COMMENTARIES.

    Adi 3.8 The External Reasons for Lord Caitanya’ s Appearance
    A manv-antara is the period controlled by one Manu. The reign of fourteen Manus equals the length of one day (twelve hours) in the life of Brahma, and the night of Brahma is of the same duration. These calculations are given in the authentic astronomy book known as the Surya-siddhanta. This book was compiled by the great professor of astronomy and mathematics Bimal Prasad Datta, later known as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami, who was our merciful spiritual master. He was honored with the title Siddhanta Sarasvati for writing a commentary on the Surya-siddhanta, and the title Gosvami Maharaja was added when he accepted sannyasa, the renounced order of life.

    Adi 3.29 The External Reasons for Lord Caitanya’ s Appearance
    The prathama-sandhya is the beginning of the age. According to astronomical calculation, the age is divided into twelve parts. The first of these twelve divisions is known as the prathama-sandhya. The prathama-sandhya and sesa-sandhya, the last division of the preceding age, form the junction of the two ages. According to the Surya-siddhanta, the prathama-sandhya of Kali-yuga lasts 36,000 solar years. Lord Caitanya appeared in the prathama-sandhya after 4,586 solar years of Kali-yuga had passed.

    760706r3.wdc Conversations
    Svarupa Damodara: And in this connection we actually wanted to also study Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada’s…
    Prabhupada: Surya-siddhanta.
    Svarupa Damodara: Yeah.
    Prabhupada: Yes. But where is that book?
    Svarupa Damodara: Pradyumna told me that it’s available in Bengali, Srila Prabhupada?
    Prabhupada: If it is available, get it. (indistinct) He was one of the authorities about sun movements.
    Svarupa Damodara: I heard that it will be very…
    Prabhupada: (indistinct) He got this Surya-siddhanta, Siddhanta Sarasvati. He was very expert astrologer.

    770130rc.bhu Conversations
    Prabhupada: From Surya-siddhanta he got the “Bhaktisiddhanta.” He got this title Surya-siddhanta. So when he became Vaisnava… A Vaisnava he was as a Bhaktisiddhanta.
    Svarupa Damodara: We saw some translations in English, Surya-siddhanta. That was in Library of Congress in Washington. But the translation there was very… Was not good. It was all wrong interpretations.
    Prabhupada: Who translated?
    Svarupa Damodara: Some English authors, outsiders.
    Prabhupada: He was also astronomer?
    Svarupa Damodara: I think he was from Germany. He knew something about Sanskrit, but translation was just like to criticize those Indian, old Indian astronomers. Something like, very…, not even using even respectful words, but offensive sometimes, so we didn’t bother to go through those books.
    Pradyumna: There’s copy of Surya-siddhanta by Bhaktisiddhanta in London at India Office Library. They have a copy in Bengali.

    770705rc.vrn Conversations
    Tamala Krsna: All the books from Radha-Damodara temple, those original texts, they’re all there. So he’s going to consult your Guru Maharaja’s book on… The astronomy book? What is the name of that book?
    Prabhupada: Surya-siddhanta.
29. David Fuller says:

    20. May 2018 at 6:41 am

    Interesting, Hare Krishna!

    I’m not sure if people picked up on why you can see features of the moon on the dark side. There’s earth-shine and star-shine. The earth is lit up so much on its dark side when there is a full moon. We would expect the moon to be quite lit up by the earth-shine at certain angles relative to the sunshine’s reflection.
    I went to Mount Whitney and could actually walk around at night just by star light. I also got a very good picture of the moon by focusing on the large mountains and then moving to the moon (camera with 60 power optical zoom). It has craters and no signs of rivers, vegetation, oceans or atmosphere, and has a convex shadow indicating it is a globe.
    I have to agree somewhat with Bhakta Sam in the sense that what it seems is that the materialists have no spiritual eyes and the spiritualists may be blind to material reality in some ways.
    If Sukadeva Maharaja Goswami was in the womb for 16 years hearing about everything from his father Vyasadeva, what visions/realizations must he have had in the womb? I also get some minor spiritual visions which are real, but not actually applicable to external contemplation. I may even see things according to scriptural explanation, but they aren’t very solid, but I can see where people could live within that paradigm. Conversely, direct material observation reveals another reality, though of course limited. Drugs can also create within the mind a paradigm of reality different from what the majority of people accept as valid. So the mind can be changed by strong influence to indicate different realities. Spiritual energy is very potent. It isn’t always conducive to understanding a material framework.
    While hiking at a nearby place near Mt. Whitney at 10,000 feet (Horseshoe meadows) I could feel the Sun, air, earth and trees to be in a very happy state by the purity of the location. I could think that perhaps the demigods of the elements, planets and directions may be more readily visible at higher elevations in the Himalayas. Also I experience presence at the nearby Hindu temple in the room of the planet Deities. So there is a subtle, yet material reality, involving planetary Deities and purer energies at higher elevations in purer modes of material nature. So maybe at Badarik ashram in the Himalayas, the transitional Mount Meru can be approached, including persons like Narada. I think Madvacharya had visions and direct company in that ashram of Vyasadeva Himself.
    There seems to be a point where material energy can become so pure that you may step right into the spiritual reality from the material energy. The pure mode of goodness I think was the first manifestation and covering of the Brahmajyoti. So places on earth where the pure mode of goodness can be entered offer a close connection to the Brahmajyoti and possibly persons on that side of “reality”.
    Persons living in that atmosphere may have no real understanding about the more dense and concrete reality of the material cosmos in its lower modes. Now how to describe what is a parallel experience in truth would probably involve the materialist’s measurements of movements along with any spiritual vision from the other side of the portal. How to connect these is like describing two sides of a black hole or the situation of some kind of transporter seen differently from two worlds that connects them both.
    A more mundane idea is we might have ideas and measurements coming from astronomers from ancient times in India like we have had previous astronomical calculations from Europe etc.. I have seen pictures of observatories in India, no telescopes but various stone measuring constructs/tools. So I don’t know if the astronomy of the times could have been introduced into scriptures. Like say today a king with today’s astronomy might consider a galaxy a universe and combine that with the visions of spiritualists into a framework of knowledge for his kingdom. Kings aren’t necessarily only interested in the vision of renounced yogis. They may feel they have to incorporate the contemporary scientific understanding into their society’s overall understanding.
    I don’t know how much the “science” or material knowledge of the time may have been intermingled with spiritual realization, practice and thought.
    Tulasi is another portal to the spiritual world. ha.
    As for conspiracy to keep people ignorant, sure. The demonic inclination is to use everything as far as possible to gain control over as much of the material world as possible – natural and human resource-wise. There may be some on earth who know many of the secrets of things like the pyramids. A man named Leadbeater who was a 33 degree mason said he talked to old Egyptian priests who said the pyramids were actually 50,000 years old, were built by a race of light-skinned people, taken over by a race of darker people and later again taken over by a race of lighter people. He didn’t say what they were for though. Ha.
    Geological changes might completely cover or destroy even the most in-the-know people lurking at the higher fringes of Earthly control, so maybe even the most elite may be in the dark.
    Vedic chants work. Deities come alive. Prasadam is spiritual. That we see. Haribol.
    I put a Surya Siddhanta from Bhimila Prasada on one of the bookshelves I made for the nearby Lancaster Hindu temple. Maybe the Hindu priest can understand it.

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      21. May 2018 at 10:24 am

      Dear David,

      C W Leadbeater was a Satanist , liar and serial pedophile. He “created” this Krishnamurti “messiah” from a child he “befriended” and brainwashed in India, creating a large throng of gullible followers in California.
      He told these gullible followers he was “connected” to the “Masters” of India. His associate James Wedgewood was also a serial pedophile, cocaine junkie sexual pervert who started some “Liberal Christian Church” in France in the 1920s, but then abandoned it to pursue his “perverted sexual excesses”.

      These guys were all promoted by Lesbian Satanist, Madam Blavatsky and later Satanist Annie Besant of the Theosophical Society from which sprang The Lucifer Trust (now Lucis Trust) and the Fabian Society, who’s logo is ‘a wolf in sheep’s clothing!” These personalities are the scum of the earth and like to pretend to have some knowledge but only succeed in leading the “sheeple” to hell. This is their only business!
30. Amar Puri says:

    20. May 2018 at 6:26 pm

    David says ; ” …. I may even see things according to scriptural explanation, but they aren’t very solid, but I can see where people could live within that paradigm….. ”

    When some one has ones’ own agenda, that person finds and sees in the available sources of the knowledge to whatever best it suits or NOT for ones purpose and justify everything based on that Self Interested Interpretation which leads the person NO where but creates ton of CONFUSION finally leading to the total Ignorant on the subject of that purpose because our senses are imperfect. Therefore, knowledge acquired by the defective senses are subject to four defects. Only the Mudhas may do so following a blind man who follows another blind man which leads to all sorts of uncertainty of ones’ purpose.

    So our agenda of the purpose is simply to subscribe to our Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and share the SAME knowledge to serve the need of the people world wide without any Self Interested Interpretation. That is the purpose of this site when some one visits.

    David further writes ; ” Vedic chants work. Deities come alive. Prasadam is spiritual. That we see. Haribol.”

    I wonder IF the above statement does best suit his purpose, then, where is the other need to look else where to satisfy his purpose which leads to all sorts of speculation and uncertainty to his purpose ?

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
31. Mahesh Raja says:

    1. February 2019 at 7:51 pm

    Note: we have read Mayesvara das’s MENTAL SPECULATIONS on how he says earth is STATIONARY, earth is FLAT, earth is NOT a planet, his GLORIFICATION of Tamal Krsna (TKG) one of the MAIN suspect poison giver EQUATING this violent THUG’S books to Srila Prabhupada’s, Now—– here is yet another one of his most recent MENTAL SPECULATIONS:

    Mayesvara das: CLEARLY, FROM THE ABOVE NARRATIONS OF PEOPLE ENTERING OR DIGGING INTO THE EARTH AND ENDING UP IN PATALA, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ATALA, VITALA, SUTALA, TALATALA, MAHATALA, RASATALA, AND PATALA ARE LOCATED IN THE UNDERGROUND OF THE EARTH ITSELF, NOT THAT THEY ARE A SERIES OF GLOBE-LIKE PLANETS FLOATING IN SPACE AS SRILA PRABHUPADA’S TERM ‘LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEMS’ MIGHT SUGGEST TO AN UNINFORMED READER.
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-19/editorials16622.htm

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    Note: please read below HOW he CONTRADICTS with Srila Prabhupada:

    731208SB.LA
    Now Arjuna said that science was spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If we read Bhagavad-gītā, then we must follow the person of Arjuna, because Arjuna directly heard Bhagavad-gītā from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And he says that this science, gītaṁ bhagavatā. So why there should be interpretation? Because the person who heard directly from Bhagavān, the Supreme Per…, he said that this is spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So one who is hearing directly, he’s saying something, but you are saying something. You have no right. This is called paramparā system. The person who heard Bhagavad-gītā directly from Kṛṣṇa, whatever he says, that is to be accepted. YOU CANNOT INTERPRET. THIS IS THE PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM.

    So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then we must understand in the same way as the person who DIRECTLY HEARD from. This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. SO THIS IS PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT MY SPIRITUAL MASTER SAID. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ĀCĀRYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ĀCĀRYA.

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    Note: here is——– what— Srila Prabhupada says:

    TEXT 98

    jale bhari’ ardha tāṅhā kaila nija-vāsa

    āra ardhe kaila caudda-bhuvana prakāśa

    SYNONYMS

    jale—with water; bhari’-filling; ardha—half; tāṅhā—there; kaila—made; nija-vāsa—own residence; āra—other; ardhe—in the half; kaila—did; caudda-bhuvana—fourteen worlds; prakāśa—manifestation.

    TRANSLATION

    After filling half the universe with water, He made His own residence therein and manifested the fourteen worlds in the other half.

    PURPORT
    The fourteen worlds are enumerated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Second Canto, Fifth Chapter. The upper PLANETARY SYSTEMS ARE (1) Bhū, (2) Bhuvar, (3) Svar, (4) Mahar, (5) Janas, (6) Tapas and (7) Satya. The seven LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEMS are (1) Tala, (2) Atala, (3) Vitala, (4) Nitala, (5) Talātala, (6) Mahātala and (7) Sutala. THE LOWER PLANETS, AS A WHOLE, ARE CALLED PĀTĀLA. Among the upper planetary systems, Bhū, Bhuvar and Svar constitute Svargaloka, and the rest are called Martya. The entire universe is thus known as Triloka.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/adi/5/98

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    Note: here is what Mayesvara dasa TWISTS and SPECULATES:

    Vedic History and The Flat Earth

    BY: MAYESVARA DASA

    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-19/editorials16622.htm

    “When the sons of Maharaja Sagara were searching all over the world for their lost horse, they dug up (nikanadbhir) the earth (mahim)” (SB 5.19.29-30)
    Srimad Bhagavatam does not go into much detail about the extent of the dig, but in other Puranas it is stated that they dug down as far as Patala. In Narada Purana it is stated:
    “In order to find out the horse taken away by Indra with his physical body invisible, the sons of Sagara were extremely surprised and they wandered over the earth and other worlds in search of it. When they could not trace the horse, they attempted to make their way to the Patala, the nether-world. And each one of them severally dug up the earth’s surface to a depth of a Yojana (eight miles). The earth dug out by them, they scattered on the shores of the ocean. All the sons of Sagara reached Patala through that passage.” (Np 8.91.94-93).
    Since there were 60,000 sons of Sagara, and each son tunneled for 1 yojana (8 miles), they were collectively able to tunnel for 480,000 miles. In Valmiki’s Ramayana it is likewise stated that the sons of Sagara dug down as far as Rasatala. In the Ramayana it is said that for digging, the sons of Sagara were able to utilize some type of mystic power (siddhi) whereby their touch was like the vajra weapon (vajra sparsha samaih). The sons of Sagara had wizard-like skills, and with their hands alone they could blast their way down to Patala. We will present this history in another paper as it confirms the great depths of the Earth which go down for hundreds of thousands of miles. The debris from the huge excavations was so large that it created islands eight islands around the coast of Jambudvipa (SB 5.19.29-30). CLEARLY, FROM THE ABOVE NARRATIONS OF PEOPLE ENTERING OR DIGGING INTO THE EARTH AND ENDING UP IN PATALA, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ATALA, VITALA, SUTALA, TALATALA, MAHATALA, RASATALA, AND PATALA ARE LOCATED IN THE UNDERGROUND OF THE EARTH ITSELF, NOT THAT THEY ARE A SERIES OF GLOBE-LIKE PLANETS FLOATING IN SPACE AS SRILA PRABHUPADA’S TERM ‘LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEMS’ MIGHT SUGGEST TO AN UNINFORMED READER. Scattered through-out the Puranas, there are literally hundreds of similar descriptions of Patala’s location as being within the core of Bhu-mandala. Thus although Srila Prabhupada refers to the seven underground worlds as ‘planetary systems’, they should be understood as unfathomably deep caverns within the Earth itself. The bila-svarga are described as follows in Srimad Bhagavatam:
    “In these seven PLANETARY SYSTEMS, which are also known as the subterranean heavens [bila-svarga], there are very beautiful houses, gardens and places of sense enjoyment, which are even more opulent than those in the higher planets because the demons have a very high standard of sensual pleasure, wealth and influence. Most of the residents of THESE PLANETS, who are known as Daityas, Danavas and Nagas, live as householders. Their wives, children, friends, and society are all fully engaged in illusory, material happiness. THE SENSE ENJOYMENT OF THE DEMIGODS IS SOMETIMES DISTURBED, BUT THE RESIDENTS OF THESE PLANETS ENJOY LIFE WITHOUT DISTURBANCES. THUS THEY ARE UNDERSTOOD TO BE VERY ATTACHED TO ILLUSORY HAPPINESS.” (SB 5.24.8)

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    Note: further more to interest of the readers :
    1) Orbit MEANS earth is NOT stationary
    2) Earth is R-O-T-A-T-I-N-G MEANS earth is NOT stationary
    Note: ORBIT: JUST LIKE THE EARTH HAS ITS ORBIT—IT IS ROTATING—SIMILARLY, EVERY PLANET IS ROTATING.
    750128BG.TOK
    Bhagavad-gītā 16.8
    —
    Tokyo, January 28, 1975
    Nitāi: “They say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and that there is no God in control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust.”
    Prabhupāda:
    asatyam apratiṣṭhaṁ te
    jagad āhur anīśvaram
    aparaspara-sambhūtaṁ
    kim anyat kāma-haitukam
    [Bg. 16.8]
    This is the atheistic theory, asatyam. They say that this material world is false. Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. Jagat, jagat means this cosmic manifestation which is gacchati, going. In the material world, everything is going. Just like in your city you see the cars, motor cars. They are going here and there, gacchati, very busy. Every man is going here and there. SIMILARLY, THE WHOLE PLANETARY SYSTEM ALSO, BEGINNING FROM ITS BIRTH UP TO THE ANNIHILATION IT IS GOING, MOVING, ORBIT. IT IS GOING. EVERYTHING IS GOING, MOVING. EVEN THE SUN, IT HAS GOT ITS ORBIT. YAC-CAKṢUR EṢA SAVITĀ SAKALA-GRAHĀṆĀṀ RĀJĀ SAMASTA…, AŚEṢA-TEJĀḤ, YASYĀJÑAYĀ BHRAMATI SAMBHṚTA-KĀLA-CAKRAḤ. THE… JUST LIKE THE EARTH HAS ITS ORBIT—IT IS ROTATING—SIMILARLY, EVERY PLANET IS ROTATING. THE SUN IS ALSO ROTATING. And so far I calculate, it is sixteen thousand miles per minute or second. I calculated once. The sun is rotating sixteen thousand miles either per minute or per second. I forget now.
    Note: ORBIT: WE CAN SEE THAT AT NIGHT, HOW THE WHOLE PLANETARY SYSTEM IS TURNING AROUND, THE POLE STAR BEING THE PIVOT. EACH PLANET HAS ITS ORBIT FIXED BUT THE SUN IS MOVING UP AND DOWN, NORTH AND SOUTH.

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    Auckland
    27 April, 1976
    76-04-27
    Atlanta
    My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
    Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. THE PIVOT IS THE POLE STAR, AND THE WHOLE TREE IS ROTATING ON THIS PIVOT. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. THE TREE IS TURNING AND THEREFORE, ALL THE BRANCHES AND LEAVES TURN WITH THE TREE. THE PLANETS HAVE THEIR FIXED ORBITS, BUT STILL THEY ARE TURNING WITH THE TURNING OF THE GREAT TREE. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
    WE CAN SEE THAT AT NIGHT, HOW THE WHOLE PLANETARY SYSTEM IS TURNING AROUND, THE POLE STAR BEING THE PIVOT. EACH PLANET HAS ITS ORBIT FIXED BUT THE SUN IS MOVING UP AND DOWN, NORTH AND SOUTH. IT IS NOT THAT WE SHALL ACCEPT THE THEORY THAT THE SUN IS FIXED UP AND THE OTHERS ARE ALL GOING AROUND THE SUN. THAT IS NOT CORRECT. EVEN THE 7TH STAR IS ROTATING ONCE AROUND THE POLE STAR IN EACH 24 HOURS. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
    I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
    I hope that this meets you in good health.
    Your ever well-wisher,
    A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
    ACBS/pks
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    Note: ORBIT: The asura Hiraṇyākṣa had dislocated the earth from its ORBIT and thrown it beneath the waters of the Garbhodaka Ocean.
    SB 4.17.34
    My dear Lord, You are always unborn. Once, in the form of the original boar, You rescued me from the waters in the bottom of the universe. Through Your own energy You created all the physical elements, the senses and the heart, for the maintenance of the world.
    PURPORT
    This refers to the time when Lord Kṛṣṇa appeared as the supreme boar, Varāha, and rescued the earth, which had been merged in water. The asura Hiraṇyākṣa had dislocated the earth from its ORBIT and thrown it beneath the waters of the Garbhodaka Ocean. Then the Lord, in the shape of the original boar, rescued the earth.

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    Note: Here is what Srila Prabhupada says:
    Mayapura, February 4, 1976
    Bhavananda: Earth planet is also moving?
    Prabhupada: ALONG WITH ALL OTHER STARS. That YOU CAN SEE AT NIGHT.
    Tamala Krsna: They are all moving around the polestar.
    Prabhupada: YES.
    Hrdayananda: So that means that the more we learn material education, (we’re) just becoming more and more foolish.
    Prabhupada: Yes. Material education means mudha. This is also material education, the movement of the sun. But they are not perfect.

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    THIS PLANET OF EARTH, MOVING AS IT IS, IS JUST LIKE THE MOVING RAILWAY COMPARTMENT AND WE ARE PLACED HERE AS FIRST SECOND OR THIRD CLASS PASSENGER ACCORDING TO OUR PAYING CAPACITY. The paying capacity of each and every passenger is the results of his own work or karma. In accordance with our own karma we have become here different classes of passengers for which neither God or anyone else is responsible. But it should not be our aim of travelling life to become a first class passenger from the position of this (indistinct) life. It shall ways be the aim of all passengers to reach the destination by all means. All the passengers in whatever class or compartment they may be put into according as the payment is made, can at the same time simultaneously reach the destination if they are not misled by some others that the railway compartments are their permanent abode. The same passenger is always cognizant of the fact that the railway compartments are never meant for their permanent home but they are meant for carrying the passenger to a desired destination equally available by all classes of passengers.
    But the modern trend of civilization as mentioned before is misguided (indistinct) much as the leaders of the present age have misguided their followers that this earth which is compared with the railway compartment is the permanent abode of the living being. The leaders of human society have forgotten that the passengers are meant for a definite destination and they are carried by a temporary moving carriage. The leaders on the other hand misguide the passengers that they will have to travel by the moving carriage perpetually and as such they must all become first class passengers although some of them have no paying capacity. This misguidance of the leaders of society, has played a havoc in the progress of human knowledge and that is considered by the sane man as the ignorance of night.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/articles/13

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    In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated that THIS PLANET OR any other planet UP TO the planet known as “Brahmaloka” or the topmost planet of this universe are ALL TEMPORARY MOVING COMPARTMENTS LIKE THE RAILWAY CARRIAGE drawn by a machine under the influence of Maya or external energy of Godhead. They are all different carriages or changing abodes of living being. None of them are the perpetual abode of the human being. They are placed in those MOVING PLANETS temporarily according to their different ‘Karma’ but they are perpetually life after life in a changing habit. The permanent abode of living entities is the Kingdom of God. When the living entity is placed in that permanent abode of God, he has no more to travel in the railway compartment of machines made by māyā or the External Energy of Godhead.
    The Kingdom of God is therefore the destination of living being may it be encaged in any form of embodiment. The aquatic, the plants, the reptiles, the birds, the beasts or the man all are essentially spiritual entities and parts and parcels of Godhead but they have been differently encaged in different forms of embodiment and placed in different compartments of the MOVING PLANETS according to different karmas. But in spite of this all the different embodied living entities are entitled to enter into the Kingdom of God by a transcendental process described in the Bhagavad-gītā as practically demonstrated by Lord Caitanya. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Gosvāmī Mahārāja inaugurated the transcendental movement spiritual progress for the benefit of all living being.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/articles/13

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    Note: Not only three times BUT: There are MANY HUNDREDS of such statements were Srila Prabhupada refers to the Earth as ‘a planet,’ or as ‘a globe,’ or as ‘round.’

    MAYESVARA DASA : It is A FACT that in MOST instances when Srila Prabhupada translates Sanskrit names for the Earth, it is in a manner that suggests we are living on an Earth globe or an Earth planet. For example, he refers to King Prithu’s travels around ‘the globe,’ (bhuvo mandalam (SB 4.16.20), or Svayambhuva Manu ‘leading a huge army whose trampling feet cause the globe of the earth (mandalam bhuvah) to tremble.’ (SB 3.21.52-54) Srila Prabhupada constantly used terms such as ‘Earth planet’ or ‘planet Earth’, ‘Earthly planets’, ‘Earthly planetary systems’, and ‘Earth globe’. There are MANY HUNDREDS of such statements were Srila Prabhupada refers to the Earth as ‘a planet,’ or as ‘a globe,’ or as ‘round.’ For example:
    “Just like this universe is a jagad-anda, is a big round ball, anda. Anda means egglike, just like egg is round. Therefore it is called brahmanda. It is a round ball. Every planet is round, and the universe is also round, and the Vaikunthas are also round, all round.” (Madya-lila 20: 146-151, New York, December 3, 1966)
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15675.htm

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    TEXT 20
    nemaṁ viriñco na bhavo
    na śrīr apy aṅga-saṁśrayā
    prasādaṁ lebhire gopī
    yat tat prāpa vimuktidāt
    SYNONYMS
    na—not; imam—this exalted position; viriñcaḥ—Lord Brahmā; na—nor; bhavaḥ—Lord Śiva; na—nor; śrīḥ—the goddess of fortune; api—indeed; aṅga-saṁśrayā—although she is always the better half of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; prasādam—mercy; lebhire—obtained; gopī—mother Yaśodā; yat tat—as that which; prāpa—obtained; vimukti-dāt—from Kṛṣṇa, who gives deliverance from this material world.
    TRANSLATION
    Neither Lord Brahmā, nor Lord Śiva, nor even the goddess of fortune, who is always the better half of the Supreme Lord, can obtain from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the deliverer from this material world, such mercy as received by mother Yaśodā.
    PURPORT
    This is a comparative study between mother Yaśodā and other devotees of the Lord. As stated in Caitanya caritāmṛta (Ādi 5.142), ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya: the only supreme master is Kṛṣṇa, and all others are His servants. Kṛṣṇa has the transcendental quality of bhṛtya-vaśyatā, becoming subordinate to His bhṛtya, or servant. Now, although everyone is bhṛtya and although Kṛṣṇa has the quality of becoming subordinate to His bhṛtya, the position of mother Yaśodā is the greatest. Lord Brahmā is bhṛtya, a servant of Kṛṣṇa, and he is ādi-kavi, the original creator of this universe (tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye). Nonetheless, even he could not obtain such mercy as mother Yaśodā. As for Lord Śiva, he is the topmost Vaiṣṇava (vaiṣṇavānāṁ yathā śambhuḥ). What to speak of Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, the goddess of fortune, Lakṣmī, is the Lord’s constant companion in service, since she always associates with His body. But even she could not get such mercy. Therefore Mahārāja Parīkṣit was surprised, thinking, “What did mother Yaśodā and Nanda Mahārāja do in their previous lives by which they got such a great opportunity, the opportunity to be the affectionate father and mother of Kṛṣṇa?”
    IN THIS VERSE THERE ARE THREE NEGATIVE PRONOUNCEMENTS—NA, NA, NA. WHEN ANYTHING IS UTTERED THREE TIMES—“DO IT, DO IT, DO IT”—ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS MEANT TO INDICATE GREAT STRESS ON A FACT. In this verse, we find na lebhire, na lebhire, na lebhire. Yet mother Yaśodā is in the supermost exalted position, and thus Kṛṣṇa has become completely subordinate to her.
    The word vimuktidāt is also significant. There are different types of liberation, such as sāyujya, sālokya, sārūpya, sārṣṭi and sāmīpya, but vimukti means “special mukti.” When after liberation one is situated on the platform of prema-bhakti, one is said to have achieved vimukti, “special mukti.” Therefore the word na is mentioned. That exalted platform of premā is described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu as premā pum-artho mahān, and mother Yaśodā naturally acts in such an exalted position in loving affairs. She is therefore a nitya-siddha devotee, an expansion of Kṛṣṇa’s hlādinī potency, His potency to enjoy transcendental bliss through expansions who are special devotees (ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhiḥ). Such devotees are not sādhana-siddha.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/10/9/20

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    TEXT 23
    dārḍhya lāgi’ ‘harer nāma’-ukti tina-vāra
    jaḍa loka bujhāite punaḥ ‘eva’-kāra
    SYNONYMS
    dārḍhya lāgi’-in the matter of emphasizing; harer nāma—of the holy name of Lord Hari; ukti—there is utterance; tina-vāra—three times; jaḍa loka—ordinary common people; bujhāite—just to make them understand; punaḥ—again; eva-kāra—the word eva, or “certainly.”
    TRANSLATION
    “THIS VERSE REPEATS THE WORD ‘EVA’ [‘CERTAINLY’] THREE TIMES FOR EMPHASIS, AND IT ALSO THREE TIMES REPEATS ‘HARER NĀMA’ [‘THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD’], JUST TO MAKE COMMON PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
    PURPORT
    TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING TO AN ORDINARY PERSON, ONE MAY REPEAT IT THREE TIMES, JUST AS ONE MIGHT SAY, “YOU MUST DO THIS! YOU MUST DO THIS! YOU MUST DO THIS!” THUS THE BṚHAN-NĀRADĪYA PURĀṆA REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZES THE CHANTING OF THE HOLY NAME SO THAT PEOPLE MAY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND THUS FREE THEMSELVES FROM THE CLUTCHES OF MĀYĀ. It is our practical experience in the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement all over the world that many millions of people are factually coming to the spiritual stage of life simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra regularly, according to the prescribed principles. Therefore our request to all our students is that they daily chant at least sixteen rounds of this harer nāma mahā-mantra offenselessly, following the regulative principles. Thus their success will be assured without a doubt.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/adi/17/23

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    Similarly Śaṅkarācārya, he’s also impersonalist, but he accepts Kṛṣṇa the supreme authority. Sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇa. “Kṛṣṇa is that Supreme Personality of Godhead.” The modern Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not disclose this statement of Śaṅkarācārya. To cheat people. But Śaṅkarācārya’s statement is there. We can give evidence. He accepts Kṛṣṇa as the supreme authority. He has written so many nice poems praising or worshiping Kṛṣṇa. AND AT THE LAST TIME HE SAYS, BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ MŪḌHA-MATE. “YOU RASCAL FOOLS. OH, YOU ARE DEPENDING ON GRAMMAR TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS ALL NONSENSE.” BHAJA GOVINDAM. “JUST WORSHIP GOVINDA.” BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA… THREE TIMES HE SAYS. “JUST WORSHIP GOVINDA.” BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAM. JUST LIKE CAITANYA MAHĀPRABHU SAYS THREE TIMES, HARER NĀMA HARER NĀMA HARER NĀMA [CC. ĀDI 17.21]. THREE TIMES MEANS GIVING TOO MUCH STRESS. JUST LIKE WE SOMETIMES SAY, “YOU DO THIS, DO THIS, DO THIS.” THAT MEANS NO MORE DENIAL. FINISH ALL STRESS. So as soon as one thing is three times stressed, that means final. So Śaṅkarācārya says, bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍha-mate. Mūḍha, mūḍha I’ve several times explained. Mūḍha means rascal, ass. You are depending on your grammatical understanding, dukṛn karaṇe. Dukṛn, these are grammatical affix and prefix, pratya, prakaraṇa. So you are depending on this verbal root, that verbal root, and creating, interpreting your meaning in a different way. All this is nonsense. This dukṛn karaṇe, your grammatical jugglery of words, will not save you at the time of death. You rascal, you just worship Govinda, Govinda, Govinda. That is the instruction of Śaṅkarācārya also. Because he was a devotee, he was a great devotee. But he pretended to be an atheist because he was to deal with the atheists. Unless he presents himself as an atheist, the atheist followers will not hear him. Therefore he presented Māyāvāda philosophy for the time being. The Māyāvāda philosophy cannot be accepted eternally. The eternal philosophy is Bhagavad-gītā. That is the verdict.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/2/8-12/los_angeles/november/27/1968
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    Note: Since when was Tamal Krsna “Goswami” an AUTHORITY????
    Please note the BIG difference in DVIPAS (Islands) that Srila Prabhupada considers as PLANETS and Tamal Krishna’s thinking:
    MAYESVARA DASA: However, the translation to the description of the Bhu-mandala (Earth circle) is also part of Srila Prabhupada’s books! Srila Prabhupada’s many instructions to exactly present the fifth canto cosmology are also part of Prabhupada’s books! SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DISCUSSIONS ON THE ISSUE WITH TAMALA KRISHNA GOSWAMI ARE ALSO PART OF PRABHUPADA’S BOOKS!
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15675.htm

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    MAYESVARA DASA: The excitement and revolutionary spirit is also clearly discernible: Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, are the planets shaped liked balls or more like plates? Because it’s, it’s hard to understand, ’cause they’re called dvipas, “islands.” Their roundness is the roundness of a plate or like a ball?
    Prabhupada: Which one?
    Satsvarupa: The earth planet?
    Prabhupada: IF IT IS LIKE A TREE, THEN THESE THINGS CAN BE AS DVIPA, ISLAND.
    Tamala Krishna: Wow. You know…
    Prabhupada: Eh?
    Tamala Krishna: The scientists are getting smashed to bits by your statements, Srila Prabhupada. This destroys their whole theory. Orbs, round spheres. I think that this Mayapura building, we must build a big planetarium in it.
    Prabhupada: Yes. That, that I am going to do, Vedic planetarium.
    Tamala Krishna: Oh, boy. You’re going to bring a lot of…. A lot of scientists will come here just to dispute this.
    Prabhupada: Yes.
    Pushta Krishna: Wonderful attraction.
    Prabhupada: World people will come to see the way the planetary systems…
    Tamala Krishna: We should advertise it very widely that this is the actual, factual explanation of the universe.
    Prabhupada: This will be automatically advertised. As soon as the temple is finished, people will come like anything.
    Hari-sauri: They’re going to need somebody to…
    Prabhupada: The thing is, on principle, we shall only go against them.
    Hamsaduta: Contrary.
    Prabhupada: On principle. Whatever they say “Yes,” we say “No.” (laughter)
    (Morning Walk, March 18 1976, Mayapur)
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15707.htm
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    TEXT 19
    māṁ vacobhiḥ samārādhya
    lokānām ekam īśvaram
    pada-trayaṁ vṛṇīte yo
    ’buddhimān dvīpa-dāśuṣam
    SYNONYMS
    mām—me; vacobhiḥ—by sweet words; samārādhya—after sufficiently pleasing; lokānām—of all the planets in this universe; ekam—the one and only; īśvaram—master, controller; pada-trayam—three feet; vṛṇīte—is asking for; yaḥ—He who; abuddhimān—not very intelligent; dvīpa-dāśuṣam—because I can give You an entire island.
    TRANSLATION
    I am able to give You an entire island because I am the proprietor of the three divisions of the universe. You have come to take something from me and have pleased me by Your sweet words, but You are asking only three paces of land. Therefore You are not very intelligent.
    PURPORT
    ACCORDING TO VEDIC UNDERSTANDING, THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS REGARDED AS AN OCEAN OF SPACE. IN THAT OCEAN THERE ARE INNUMERABLE PLANETS, AND EACH PLANET IS CALLED A DVĪPA, OR ISLAND. When approached by Lord Vāmanadeva, Bali Mahārāja was actually in possession of all the dvīpas, or islands in space. Bali Mahārāja was very pleased to see the features of Vāmanadeva and was ready to give Him as much land as He could ask, but because Lord Vāmanadeva asked only three paces of land, Bali Mahārāja considered Him not very intelligent.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/8/19/19

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    TEXT 218
    ei-mata brahmāṇḍa-madhye sabāra ‘parakāśa’
    sapta-dvīpe nava-khaṇḍe yāṅhāra vilāsa
    SYNONYMS
    ei-mata—in this way; brahmāṇḍa-madhye—within this universe; sabāra—of all of Them; parakāśa—manifestations; sapta-dvīpe—on seven islands; nava-khaṇḍe—in different sections, nine in number; yāṅhāra vilāsa—the pastimes of whom.
    TRANSLATION
    “Within the universe the Lord is situated in different spiritual manifestations. These are situated on SEVEN ISLANDS in nine sections. Thus Their pastimes are going on.
    PURPORT
    The seven islands are mentioned in the Siddhānta-śiromaṇi:
    bhūmer ardhaṁ kṣīra-sindhor udaka-sthaṁ
    jambu-dvīpaṁ prāhur ācārya-varyāḥ
    ardhe ‘nyasmin dvīpa-ṣaṭkasya yāmye
    kṣāra-kṣīrādy-ambudhīnāṁ niveśaḥ
    śākaṁ tataḥ śālmala-matra kauśaṁ
    krauñcaṁ ca go-medaka-puṣkare ca
    dvayor dvayor antaram ekam ekaṁ
    samudrayor dvīpam udāharanti
    The SEVEN ISLANDS (DVĪPAS) are known as (1) Jambu, (2) Śāka, (3) Śālmalī, (4) Kuśa, (5) Krauñca, (6) Gomeda, or Plakṣa, and (7) Puṣkara. THE PLANETS ARE CALLED DVĪPA. OUTER SPACE IS LIKE AN OCEAN OF AIR. JUST AS THERE ARE ISLANDS IN THE WATERY OCEAN, THESE PLANETS IN THE OCEAN OF SPACE ARE CALLED DVĪPAS, OR ISLANDS IN OUTER SPACE. There are nine khaṇḍas, known as (1) Bhārata, (2) Kinnara, (3) Hari, (4) Kuru, (5) Hiraṇmaya, (6) Ramyaka, (7) Ilāvṛta, (8) Bhadrāśva and (9) Ketumāla. These are different parts of the Jambūdvīpa. A valley between two mountains is called a khaṇḍa or varṣa.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/20/218

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    Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON
    Tamal Krsna and company went on to imitate Uttama Adhikari PRETENDING to give Diksa. Tamal Krishna “Goswami threatens in his “Servant of the Servant”, 1984 Printing, Part Two, Chapter 11 – Le Sankirtana Parisien:
    P361 — “Though they leveled their remarks against the successor gurus, in reality their criticism was aimed at Srila Prabhupada himself.”
    P363 — Referring to Srila Prabhupada: “Thus he considered them to be Uttama-adhikari, highly advanced devotees worthy to be accepted as spiritual masters.”[..]
    “Critics may doubt whether our ISKCON acaryas are actually liberated. Do they know their rasa (liberated relationship) with Krsna, and will they be able to instruct their disciples similarly? But such questions bring one dangerously near precipice of spiritual calamity.”
    P365 “Ultimately, however the greatest proof of bonafidity of Srila Prabhupada’s successor acaryas is their disciples.”
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2302.htm

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    Note: Tamal Krishna “Gosvami” was one of the MAIN suspects INVOLVED in Srila Prabhupada’s been given poison his voice is also VERY clearly heard:
    Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
    The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
    To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
    http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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    Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843

    http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931

    How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943

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    The POWER of Srila Prabhupada’s books:
    73-12-25.Letter: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana
    Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION.
    731208SB.LA Lectures
    So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARA SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA. Just like our, this Gau…, Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s cult; we cannot understand Caitanya Mahaprabhu directly. It is not possible. We have to understand through the Gosvamis. Therefore you’ll find in the Caitanya-caritamrta and at the end of every chapter, the writer says,
    sri-rupa-ragunatha-pade yara asa
    caitanya-caritamrta kahe krsna-dasa
    This is the process. He does not say that “I’ve understood Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu directly.” No. That is not understanding. That is foolishness. You cannot understand what is Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Therefore repeatedly he says, rupa-ragunatha-pade… “I am that Krsna dasa, Kaviraja, who is always under the subordination of the Gosvamis.” This is parampara system. Similarly, Narottama dasa Thakura also says, ei chay gosai jar mui tar das, “I am servant of that person who has accepted this six Gosvamis as his master. I am not going to be servant of any other person who does not accept the way and means of…” Therefore we say or we offer our prayer to our spiritual master, rupanuga-varaya te, rupanuga-varaya te, because he follows Rupa Gosvami, therefore we accept, spiritual master. Not that one has become more than Rupa Gosvami or more than… No. Tandera carana-sebi-bhakta-sane vas. This is the parampara system.

    74-11-22. Letter: Bahurupa
    I am pleased to hear that you are chanting 16 rounds daily and reading my books regularly and following the four rules. IN MY BOOKS THE PHILOSOPHY OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS IS EXPLAINED FULLY SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THEN YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO READ AGAIN AND AGAIN. BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.

    75-09-18. Letter: Babhru, Satyaki
    PLEASE CONTINUE READING MY BOOKS SERIOUSLY AND EVERYTHING WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU.
    74-11-22. Letter: Hugo Salemon
    So far your worship of Lord Jagannatha in your home and your becoming initiated. It is alright provided you have the recommendation of the temple president. I am very glad to see that such a young boy as yourself you are taking serious interest in this Krishna Consciousness Movement. Please continue in this way Our process is something universal. It cannot be checked by any means. Anyone in any place, in any country can chant Hare Krishna. If it is possible to go to the temple, then take advantage of the temple. A temple is a place where by one is given the opportunity to render direct devotional service to the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS YOU SHOULD ALWAYS READ MY BOOKS DAILY AND ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AND YOU WILL HAVE A FIRM BASIS OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS. IN THIS WAY YOUR LIFE WILL BE PERFECT.

    730513mw.la Conversations
    Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, when you are not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
    Prabhupada: Well, the questions… ANSWERS ARE THERE IN MY BOOKS.
    Paramahamsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in…
    Prabhupada: Yes.
    Paramahamsa: DO YOU DIRECT US ALSO THROUGH THE HEART? BESIDES THE PARAMATMA?
    Prabhupada: IF YOUR HEART IS PURE. EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON PURITY.

    75-11-15. Letter: Janajanmadhih
    So, if you are strong enough to preach Krsna consciousness there, that is very good; that as long as you chant your 16 rounds and follow the four regulative principles, then you will get the strength. THE PROCESS IS THAT YOU SHOULD MEMORIZE THE PURPORTS OF MY BOOKS AND THEN SPEAK THEM IN YOUR OWN WORDS. DO NOT ADULTERATE OR CHANGE ANYTHING. THEN YOU WILL BE THE PERFECT PREACHER. You should also distribute our books as far as possible. If you do this sincerely, then you will be successful.

    750807mw.tor Conversations
    Prabhupada: So in my absence you read the books. What I talk, I have written in the books. That’s all.
    Indian Man (2): Personally, we think more greater.
    Prabhupada: That’s all right. BUT STILL, YOU CAN ASSOCIATE WITH ME BY READING MY BOOKS.

    721020ND.VRN Lectures
    But in this life, if we develop Krsna consciousness by association of devotees… As Narottama dasa Thakura has sung, tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa. One’s aim of life should be to serve the acaryas. Acarya upasanam. So our acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, the sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha, sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha, the Six Gosvamins, and if we associate with them… THIS BOOK, NECTAR OF DEVOTION, BHAKTI-RASAMRTA-SINDHU, IF YOU READ REGULARLY, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, THIS MEANS YOU ARE ASSOCIATING WITH SRILA RUPA GOSVAMI DIRECTLY. AND IF YOU ACT ACCORDINGLY, THEN YOU ARE SERVING THEIR LOTUS FEET. TANDERA CARANA-SEVI-BHAKTA-SANE VASA.

    75-02-02. Letter: Puranjana
    Whatever money is owed to the BBT, that should be paid. As far as record distribution is concerned, if you have no big books, you may temporarily continue, but give a book with each record. With record distribution alone, the result is temporary. They will hear it for some time and throw away. Book distribution is solid. EVEN IF THEY DO NOT READ, SIMPLY BY TOUCHING THEY ARE BENEFITED. IT IS SO MUCH POWERFUL.

    72-09-30. Letter: Bali-mardana
    Regarding the question you have raised about traveling sankirtana parties and selling of books, yes, we want money. So that is the real preaching, selling books. Who can speak better than the books? At least whoever buys, he will look over. If you have to sell books, do it by hook or by crook. THE REAL PREACHING IS SELLING BOOKS. YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TACTIC HOW TO SELL WITHOUT IRRITATING. WHAT YOUR LECTURE WILL DO FOR THREE MINUTES, BUT IF HE READS ONE PAGE HIS LIFE MAY BE TURNED. We don’t want to irritate anyone, however. If he goes away by your agressive tactics, then you are nonsense and it is your failure. Neither you could sell a book, neither he would remain. BUT IF HE BUYS A BOOK THAT IS THE REAL SUCCESSFUL PREACHING. That is the certificate of my Guru Maharaja, if someone, brahmacari, would sell a one paise magazine, if one of our brahmacaris would go and sell a few copies, he would be very very glad and say “Oh, you are so nice!” So distribution of literature is our real preaching. Now if you cannot handle the matter nicely, that is your fault. But the success of your preaching will be substantiated by how many books are sold. Anything you want to sell, you have to a little canvass, so he gives some money for the service of Krsna. That is his good luck and he gets the chance to read some transcendental knowledge. But if you only irritate and he goes away, that is your less intelligence.
    The fact is that we have to adopt the same tactics as ordinary salesmen adopt, but the difference is we do it for the satisfaction of Krsna, they do it for sense gratification. Actually we have experienced that sometimes out of sentiment someone gives to ISKCON and then laments and wants it back, but that does not mean we should give it back. Our policy is that his money which would have been used for purchasing cigarettes, liquor, sex literature, meat, will give him the opportunity to gradually become purified. So if by tactics we save that money from being spent on cigarette packets, that is good. If we can take some money and give some literature, that is a good service. So far irritation is concerned, a child is also irritated when he is given instructions, but that does not mean that we should stop. Invite them in our feast, that is a better indication.
    So if the sankirtana parties in Satsvarupa’s zone are irritating the public for selling so many books, that is one thing, but by their selling books they are doing the greatest service. What your one hour of preaching will do, they will hear and go away, but if they have one book at home, they will read, their friends will read, and something solid work is done. So the art is to sell many many books and not to irritate the public, so you may instruct all the others how to do this successfully. That is sannyasa. That is GBC. There are so many places to go, so why there should be business competition sankirtana parties in New York? This problem should be adjusted between the GBC men.

    72-11-03. Letter: Brahmananda
    Yes, that is a good proposal, print many many books in African language and distribute widely, that is real preaching work. If you sell a book to someone, that is better than your speaking to them–WHAT WILL YOUR THREE MINUTES’ PREACHING DO? BUT IF THEY READ A BOOK IT MAY TURN THEIR LIFE. Go on preaching, that is the highest perfection of activity, and do not worry for anything, Krishna is so much appreciative of this preaching work that He will give you every facility, as much as you have ambition
    One thing is, if that printer is so cheap, why not print all our European books there? ANYWAY, PRINT BOOKS, DISTRIBUTE PROFUSELY, AND THAT WILL BE THE BEST PREACHING WORK. WHAT WILL YOUR THREE MINUTES’ PREACHING DO?–BUT IF THEY BUY ONE BOOK, IT MAY TURN THEIR LIFE. SO MAKE THIS YOUR IMPORTANT TASK, TO PRINT OUR BOOKS IN FRENCH LANGUAGE AND OTHER LANGUAGES, AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY, AND THAT WILL PLEASE MY GURU MAHARAJA. NEVER MIND IT TAKES LITTLE TIME TO MAKE PROGRESS, OUR PROCESS IS SLOW BUT SURE, AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT IF WE CONTINUE IN THIS WAY WE SHALL GO ONE DAY BACK TO HOME, BACK TO GOD HEAD.

    KB 90 Summary Description of Lord Krsna’s Pastimes
    Following in the holy footsteps of Srila Sukadeva Gosvami, we have tried to present this book Krsna for being read and heard by the conditioned souls of this age. BY HEARING THE PASTIMES OF LORD KRSNA, ONE IS SURE AND CERTAIN TO GET SALVATION AND BE TRANSFERRED BACK HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD. It is recommended by Sukadeva Gosvami that as we hear the transcendental pastimes and activities of the Lord, we gradually cut the knots of material contamination. Therefore, regardless of what one is, if one wants the association of Lord Krsna in the transcendental kingdom of God for eternity in blissful existence, one must hear about the pastimes of Lord Krsna and chant the maha-mantra, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
    THE TRANSCENDENTAL PASTIMES OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD KRSNA ARE SO POWERFUL THAT SIMPLY BY HEARING, READING AND MEMORIZING THIS BOOK KRSNA, ONE IS SURE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, WHICH IS ORDINARILY VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE. The description of the pastimes of Lord Krsna is so attractive that automatically it gives us an impetus to study repeatedly, and THE MORE WE STUDY THE PASTIMES OF THE LORD, THE MORE WE BECOME ATTACHED TO HIM. THIS VERY ATTACHMENT TO KRSNA MAKES ONE ELIGIBLE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO HIS ABODE, GOLOKA VRNDAVANA.

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    Amogha: Srila Prabhupada . When people in the street hear Krsna’s name, the chanting, or they get some literature, does that mean they will not take birth as an animal?
    Prabhupada: No. They’ll get birth in a good family.sucinam srimatam gehe [Bg. 6.41]. IF THEY SIMPLY APPRECIATE “IT IS VERY NICE,” THEN IN THE NEXT LIFE, HUMAN LIFE IS GUARANTEED. In a very nice family. Simply if he appreciates, “Yes, it is very nice”—that’s all. Then he’ll get another chance.
    Amogha: Many people think the pictures are very nice.
    Prabhupada: Anything they say nice, that means it is guaranteed, next life. Or even in this life it will definitely help. As soon as he reads some pages, then it is guaranteed. Those who are enquiring, that means they are liking. Their life is guaranteed.
    Amogha: One man who joined us about Rathayatra time last year was a solicitor. He used to buy our books but he never read them. But he would keep them on his bookshelf. And he used to always think, “Those are such beautiful books.” He used to think like that.
    Prabhupada: This is appreciation.
    Amogha: He never got time to read it.
    Prabhupada: It doesn’t matter. If he keeps the books with appreciation, that makes his life sure, insured. He immediately becomes in touch with God. Who keeps the book with reverence and love, immediately he becomes in touch with God. Because these books are representative of God.
    Note: SO WE HAVE TO BECOME VERY STRONG PREACHER. THEN THIS MOVEMENT WILL STAY. IF YOU SIMPLY TAKE THE TEMPLE WORSHIP, IT WILL NOT STAY VERY LONG
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    Prabhupada: Now if they say that the killing means murdering, that means the people amongst whom Christ was preaching, they were accustomed to kill men. So what class of men they were? What was the society? A society of murderers. So what they will understand about religion, a murderer? (pause) So go further or return?
    Jayatirtha: We should probably turn around now, Srila Prabhupada. (pause) If you’re preaching honesty to a thief, you have to be careful that he’s not stealing your watch in the meantime.
    Prabhupada: Eh?
    Jayatirtha: If you’re preaching honesty to a thief, he may steal your watch. So Jesus was trying to teach religion to murderers, so they murdered him.
    Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. Murkhayopadeso hi prakopaya na santaye. (aside:) Don’t come very near. If you advise rascals, they’ll be angry. No good result. Murkhayopadeso hi prakopaya na santaye, payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam. SO WE HAVE TO BECOME VERY STRONG PREACHER. THEN THIS MOVEMENT WILL STAY. IF YOU SIMPLY TAKE THE TEMPLE WORSHIP, IT WILL NOT STAY VERY LONG. Just like…
    Hrdayananda: Especially the leaders must preach.
    Prabhupada: Eh?
    Hrdayananda: Especially the leaders must preach.
    Prabhupada: And leaders means… If the leaders are good, then it will continue.
    Bali Mardana: If they are not preaching, they are not leaders. They are bogus. (pause)
    Prabhupada: LEADERS MEANS THEY SHOULD BEHAVE IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT BY FOLLOWING THEM, OTHERS WILL BE BENEFITTED. THAT IS LEADER.
    Jayatirtha: That’s a perfect definition, Srila Prabhupada.
    Prabhupada: Eh?
    Jayatirtha: That’s a perfect definition. That should be in the dictionary, like that.
    Prabhupada: Yes. What is that for definition?
    Jayatirtha: The… A leader means one that if someone follows him, he’s benefitted.
    Prabhupada: That is leader.
     
    73-11-08.    Letter: Hamsaduta:
       Yes, I want that you give me the facility to write my books, but I can attend some meetings of important people and elites. You have taken the right view of the importance of my books. Books will always remain. That was the view of my Guru Maharaja, and I also have taken it. Therefore I started my movement with my books. And we shall be able to maintain everything with the sales of the books. The temples will be maintained by the book sales, AND IF THERE ARE NO MORE TEMPLES, THEN THE BOOKS SHALL REMAIN.
     
    70-08-25.  Letter: Bali-mardana
       There are two verses in the Canakya Sloka how a family or an institution can be glorified or burned into ashes by one person. The Canakya Pandit says that if there is one tree in the forest producing nice aromatic flower, that one tree can glorify the whole forest by the flavor of its flower. Similarly if there is one tree in whose cavity there is a little fire, that one tree can burn into ashes the whole forest. SO THIS SIMILE IS APPLICABLE ANYWHERE. In a family if there is one good boy, he can glorify the whole family and similarly if there is bad boy he can turn the whole family into ashes. SIMILARLY IN THIS INSTITUTION IF THERE IS A BAD DISCIPLE HE CAN BURN THE WHOLE INSTITUTION INTO ASHES. The Governing Body Commission’s duty is therefore to see that every member is following the rules and regulations and chanting sixteen round regularly on the beads. I hope the GBC in cooperation with the Sannyasis in their touring program will be able to keep vigilance systematically in order to keep the Society as pure as possible.
     
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    But one who is pure devotee,
    his business cannot be stopped.
     
    It cannot be checked. There may be so many hindrances. But one who is pure devotee, his business cannot be stopped.
    (S.B. Lecture 1.2.6. Calcutta. Feb 26th, 1974)
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    It will never stop. At least for
    ten thousand years it will go on.
     
    But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Krsna movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on–in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on. 
    [S.P. Conversation in Airport and Car June 21, 1976, Toronto]

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    74-10-19. Letter: Rupanuga:
    Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 22, 1974 and have noted the contents. Regarding Sankirtana and book distribution, book distribution is also chanting. ANYONE WHO READS THE BOOKS THAT IS ALSO CHANTING AND HEARING. Why distinguish between chanting and book distribution? These books I have recorded and chanted, and they are transcribed. It is spoken kirtanas. So book distribution is also chanting. THESE ARE NOT ORDINARY BOOKS. IT IS RECORDED CHANTING. ANYONE WHO READS, HE IS HEARING. Book distribution must not be neglected. If things deteriorate that is another thing, but it is not the fault of book distribution.
32. Amar Puri says:

    4. February 2019 at 5:50 pm

    MAYESVARA DASA is very expert in twisting and turning of Flat Earth Bhu-Mandala description in his presentation by providing whatever, where ever and whenever it needs to support his own manipulated whimsical interpretation from the Sastras reference to support his Flat earth agenda in his writing.

    Thus, he misleads the Readers.

    FLAT EARTH Graphic design promoters have their own AGENDA to fulfill NOT necessarily as Srila Prabhupada desires and instructs to His Followers / Devotees in His VANI.

    They take the information from Srila Prabhupada what ever it suits their agenda and other non-bonafide sources available on the Surface of the Globe, and present it to the massive people to create a smoke screen in a deceptive and distorted out of context information gathered with Self Interested Interpretation simply for their personal profit.

    THAT is very very very dangerous.

    All of US must be prepared to fight back the misleading presentation of the FLAT EARTH when they use Srila Prabhupada’s VANI for their Self Interested motivation.

    Now the question is that the Globe of Universe, Bhu Gola, Bhumandala, Brahmanada and so on which refer to as the Universe in which the Earth is the part of the Universe.

    Is this Earth Globe 25,000 miles in the circumference as we know it ?

    Whereas in the SB. 5.16.7 says ; ” TRANSLATION

    ” Amidst these divisions, or varṣas, is the varṣa named Ilāvṛta, which is situated in the middle of the whorl of the lotus. Within Ilāvṛta-varṣa is Sumeru Mountain, which is made of gold. Sumeru Mountain is like the pericarp of the lotuslike Bhū-maṇḍala planetary system. The mountain’s height is the same as the width of Jambūdvīpa—or, in other words, 100,000 yojanas [800,000 miles]. Of that, 16,000 yojanas [128,000 miles] are within the earth, and therefore the mountain’s height above the earth is 84,000 yojanas [672,000 miles]. The mountain’s width is 32,000 yojanas [256,000 miles] at its summit and 16,000 yojanas at its base. ”

    We read from the above translation ; ” ……. Of that, 16,000 yojanas ( 128,000 miles ) are within the earth …”

    The question is where is the balance part of the earth when we know the present circumference is only 25,000 miles of the earth globe ?

    Next question is ;

    Does that curvature of the present known Earth Globe i.e. Mother Brumi’s shape in a higher altitude describe ;

    a. Globe
    b. Round
    c. Egg shape
    d. Ball
    e. The leaf of a lotus flower.

    Thanks for sharing the well researched answer as usual.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
33. Mahesh Raja says:

    12. February 2019 at 4:20 pm

    Amar Puri: Is this Earth Globe 25,000 miles in the circumference as we know it ?

    Mahesh: No. That calculation is not Vedic.

    Amar Puri: Does that curvature of the present known Earth Globe i.e. Mother Brumi’s shape in a higher altitude describe ;

    a. Globe
    b. Round
    c. Egg shape
    d. Ball
    e. The leaf of a lotus flower.

    Mahesh: ONLY go by Srila Prabhupada WHAT he says, “ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED”. We have IMPERFECT senses BUT Srila Prabhupada has SEEN Lord Krsna and has DIRECT contact with Krsna —–and:

    SIMILARLY THE LORD’S NAME, FORM, QUALITY, PASTIMES, ENTOURAGE, ETC., AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE REVEALED SCRIPTURES OR AS PERFORMED IN THE VAIKUNTHALOKAS, FAR, FAR BEYOND THE MATERIAL COSMIC MANIFESTATION, ARE FACTUALLY BEING TELEVISED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE.

    SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
    The impersonalists can imagine or even perceive that the Supreme Brahman is thus all-pervading, and therefore they conclude that there is no possibility of His personal form. Herein lies the mystery of His transcendental knowledge. This mystery is transcendental love of Godhead, and one who is surcharged with such transcendental love of Godhead can without difficulty see the Personality of Godhead in every atom and every movable or immovable object. And at the same time he can see the Personality of Godhead in His own abode, Goloka, enjoying eternal pastimes with His eternal associates, who are also expansions of His transcendental existence. This vision is the real mystery of spiritual knowledge, as stated by the Lord in the beginning (sarahasyam tad-angam ca). This mystery is the most confidential part of the knowledge of the Supreme, and it is impossible for the mental speculators to discover by dint of intellectual gymnastics. The mystery can be revealed through the process recommended by Brahmaji in his Brahma-samhita (5.38) as follows:

    premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
    santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti
    yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam
    govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

    “I worship the original Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom the pure devotees, their eyes smeared with the ointment of love of Godhead, ALWAYS OBSERVE WITHIN THEIR HEARTS. This Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead, is Syamasundara with all transcendental qualities.”
    Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. THE VISION OF THE DEVOTEES IS NOT ORDINARY; IT IS PURIFIED BY THE PROCESS OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. IN OTHER WORDS, AS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENTS ARE BOTH WITHIN AND WITHOUT, SIMILARLY THE LORD’S NAME, FORM, QUALITY, PASTIMES, ENTOURAGE, ETC., AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE REVEALED SCRIPTURES OR AS PERFORMED IN THE VAIKUNTHALOKAS, FAR, FAR BEYOND THE MATERIAL COSMIC MANIFESTATION, ARE FACTUALLY BEING TELEVISED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THE MAN WITH A POOR FUND OF KNOWLEDGE CANNOT UNDERSTAND, ALTHOUGH BY MATERIAL SCIENCE ONE CAN SEE THINGS FAR AWAY BY MEANS OF TELEVISION. FACTUALLY, THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART. THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.

    751017BG.JOH Lectures
    Prabhupada: I shall speak some verses from Bhagavad-gita, Second Chapter, in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna instructed. The beginning of instruction is the Second Chapter of Bhagavad-gita. So Arjuna, representing ourself, conditioned soul, covered with the material body and thinking in bodily conception of life… He was to fight with his brothers, nephews, grandfather, Bhismadeva, also teacher the military science, Dronacarya. In this way the business was not very palatable. Although he was forced to fight by the opposite party who were very near, thick and thin people, and he had to kill them, so it was not very satisfactory to him. Therefore he flatly denied to fight: “Krsna, I am not going to fight.” He left his weapon, and then Krsna was surprised that “My friend, Arjuna, he is denying to fight in My presence.”
    SO SANJAYA, THE PRIVATE SECRETARY OF MAHARAJA DHRTARASTRA, HE WAS RELAYING THE MESSAGE WHICH WAS GOING ON IN THE BATTLE OF KURUKSETRA BY HIGHER PROCESS. NOWADAYS WE HAVE GOT EXPERIENCE OF THE TELEVISION, BUT THE ANOTHER PROCESS, ANTAR-DRSTI, THAT IS ALSO TELEVISION. YOU CAN SEE THE REFLECTION OF EXTERNAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN YOUR HEART, AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN. So Sanjaya, the private secretary of Maharaja Dhrtarastra, he explained that Arjuna was denying to fight.

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    Prabhupada: Yuyutsavah, it is called yuyutsavah. So yuyutsavah means when two parties are fighting, they are called yuyutsavah, “Desiring to fight, they prepared.” So actually these two groups of brothers, cousin brothers, they assembled there for fighting to decide their fate. So everything is clear. Dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta, assembled, yuyutsavah, for fighting. And who are they? It is the question of Dhrtarastra, the father of the Duryodhana, and he is asking his private secretary, Sanjaya. SANJAYA WAS RELAYING THE FIGHT IN THE BATTLEFIELD, AND DHRTARASTRA WAS BLIND. JUST LIKE TELEVISION. SO HE WAS SEEING THE FIGHT FROM THE HEART. IT MEANS THERE IS STILL MORE FINER SCIENCE, THAT YOU DON’T REQUIRE MACHINE TO SEE IT BY TELEVISION, WHAT IS GOING OUTSIDE. YOU CAN SEE WITHIN YOUR HEART. SO THIS SANJAYA WAS SEEING THE BATTLE, AND HE WAS RELAYING TO DHRTARASTRA.
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    Srila Prabhupada: OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM.

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    Now Arjuna said that science was spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If we read Bhagavad-gītā, then we must follow the person of Arjuna, because Arjuna directly heard Bhagavad-gītā from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And he says that this science, gītaṁ bhagavatā. So why there should be interpretation? Because the person who heard directly from Bhagavān, the Supreme Per…, he said that this is spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So one who is hearing directly, he’s saying something, but you are saying something. You have no right. This is called paramparā system. The person who heard Bhagavad-gītā directly from Kṛṣṇa, whatever he says, that is to be accepted. YOU CANNOT INTERPRET. THIS IS THE PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM.

    So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then we must understand in the same way as the person who DIRECTLY HEARD from. This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. SO THIS IS PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT MY SPIRITUAL MASTER SAID. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ĀCĀRYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ĀCĀRYA.

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    Srila Prabhupada: THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION.

    73-12-25.Letter: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana
    Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION.

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    74-11-22. Letter: Bahurupa
    In MY BOOKS the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained FULLY so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.
34. Amar Puri says:

    13. February 2019 at 6:43 pm

    Mahesh Raja Prabhu, thank you kindly for sharing your thoughts as per our Jagat Guru HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s VANI. Your such writings are always very much appreciated.

    Kindly allow me to share my following inference based on the Sastras on the questions I put forth which stands for correction, of course.

    We read from the “SB. 5.16.7 says ;

    ” ……. Of that, 16,000 yojanas ( 128,000 miles ) are within the earth …”

    The question is where is the balance part of the earth when we know the present circumference is only 25,000 miles of the earth globe ?

    Indeed, the 25,000 miles of the earth globe is a mundane calculation. Yes, of course.

    However, my inference is also that the well known City of Dwarka which lies in the state of Gujarat is the remaining portion of the once grand Kingdom of the Dwarka which was created and ruled over by Lord Shri Krishna Himself as per the reference from the Mahabharata which is also known as the part of the Veda.

    It is understood that the Once Grand Kingdom of the Dwarka for which the Length and the Breadth of that Grand Kingdom no body knows that which once was the part of the grand Earth, indeed , form 128,000 miles of the Grand Earth mentioned in the SB. 5.16.7.

    Also, it is understood that at present we are surrounded by most part of the oceans’ water and the rest is only the surface of the present Earth as per the mundane calculation of 25,000 miles are, perhaps, calculated as we know it. To support this, when we see from the globe map, the region of the country Brazil and the ocean which connects the region of the African countries were once connected forming the part of the grand Earth of 128,000 miles the portion of that region of which was ruled by the Raksasa named Mahi Ravana as per the Ramayana. There are certain point of exhibition in Brazil which proves this.

    That is my ” inferences” of the explanation of the 128,000 miles of the grand earth which I stand to be corrected.

    Yes I agree with the following explanation ;

    Mahesh: ONLY go by Srila Prabhupada WHAT he says, “ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED”. We have IMPERFECT senses BUT Srila Prabhupada has SEEN Lord Krsna and has DIRECT contact with Krsna .

    OM TAT SAT.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
35. Mahesh Raja says:

    14. February 2019 at 2:15 am

    Amar Puri:
    We read from the “SB. 5.16.7 says ;

    ” ……. Of that, 16,000 yojanas ( 128,000 miles ) are within the earth …”

    The question is where is the balance part of the earth when we know the present circumference is only 25,000 miles of the earth globe ?

    Indeed, the 25,000 miles of the earth globe is a mundane calculation. Yes, of course.

    However, my inference is also that the well known City of Dwarka which lies in the state of Gujarat is the remaining portion of the once grand Kingdom of the Dwarka which was created and ruled over by Lord Shri Krishna Himself as per the reference from the Mahabharata which is also known as the part of the Veda.

    Mahesh: What we DO know is that Dwarka Fort City which Visvakarma built was submerged in water. We do not know HOW BIG this was except what we see as relics you see on You Tube. So looks like THERE IS a lot of LAND MASS out there we have NOT seen. Another example is Maharaja Yudhistira went to Northern side. This refers to Artic Zone. So Is there HUGH LAND MASS up there we HAVE NEVER SEEN???
    We have not seen many places AND we sometimes hear an Island cropping up in the Ocean. So there could be vast continents submerged in water??? Or even huge land masses INACCESSIBLE to OUR PRESENT vision:

    731222SB.LA
    Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.15.44
    —
    Los Angeles, December 22, 1973
    Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)
    udīcīṁ praviveśāśāṁ
    gata-pūrvāṁ mahātmabhiḥ
    hṛdi brahma paraṁ dhyāyan
    nāvarteta yato gataḥ
    [SB 1.15.44]
    Translation: “He then started towards the north, treading the path accepted by his forefathers and great men, to devote himself completely to the thought of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And he lived in that way wherever he went.”
    Prabhupāda: Udīcīṁ praviveśa. So one who goes to the northern side, it is to be understood he never comes back. Northern side means the Arctic zone, covered with snow. So this was known in Bhāgavata days. Not only in Bhāgavata days, some, about a thousand years ago also, there is Kālidāsa’s book Kumāra-sambhava. Kumāra-sambhava, “The Birth of Kārttikeya.” So in the book the beginning is asty uttarasyaṁ diśi himālayo nāma nagadhirājaḥ. Uttarasyaṁ diśi, in the northern side, there is mountain which is covered with snow, Himalaya. Hima means ice, hima. Asty uttarasyaṁ diśi himālayo nāma nagadhirājaḥ: “In the northern side, there is a hill or a mountain which is always covered by snow.” Although at the present moment, Himalaya, there is one mountain that is also called Himalaya, Mount Everest, but I think this Arctic zone was referred. Because it is said that “touching both sides, water.” Asty uttarasyaṁ diśi himālayo nāma nagadhirājaḥ, toya-nidhi avagāhya. Toya-nidhi. Toya-nidhi means oceans, both sides ocean, the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean. Avagāhya, touching. So the Arctic zone was referred in many books, Vedic literature. It is not that it was unknown. Everything was known. The modern historians, they say like that. They say the Bhāgavata was written about 1,500 years ago. No. Five thousand years ago. They bring everything within the Christian era. And before that, there was no history, according to them. But that is not the fact.
    Anyway, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira went to the northern side. Gata-pūrvāṁ mahātmabhiḥ. His forefathers, they were also mahātmās. Formerly the kings were not, I mean to say, licentious drunkards. They were all ṛṣi, as good as great saintly persons, rājarṣi. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā was taught to the saintly kings. The modern people, they say that “Why not this movement amongst the poorer-class men?” They do not know who is poor. Anyone who is poor in spiritual understanding, he is poor. By material opulence, one does not become rich. He is animal. By material opulence, one may be polished animal, but he is animal. One who is spiritually advanced, he is actually in knowledge. Because basic principle is spirit. Without spiritual knowledge, anything, any so-called knowledge, advancement of knowledge, is simply mistake, mistake. Just like if you, in calculating one mathematical sum, if you commit mistake anywhere, the whole thing is spoiled. Whole thing is spoiled. You go on. You are making progress. But real mistake was there. It will never carry. The balance, it will not come into being.
36. Mahesh Raja says:

    14. February 2019 at 2:05 pm

    Note: we do NOT know what the SIZE of the SEEDLING state of earth and various planets were. Also what we do KNOW is that in Satya Yuga the SIZE of the humans etc was LARGE and lived LONG time then in Kali Yuga. In Kali yuga there is decrease in SIZE and also life duration is SHORTER.

    The material world and the living entities were all already generated in seedling forms by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Brahmā was to disseminate the same seedlings all over the universe.

    TEXT 7
    tad vilokya viyad-vyāpi
    puṣkaraṁ yad-adhiṣṭhitam
    anena lokān prāg-līnān
    kalpitāsmīty acintayat
    SYNONYMS
    tat vilokya—looking into that; viyat-vyāpi—extensively widespread; puṣkaram—the lotus; yat—that which; adhiṣṭhitam—he was situated; anena—by this; lokān—all the planets; prāk-līnān—previously merged in dissolution; kalpitā asmi—I shall create; iti—thus; acintayat—he thought.
    TRANSLATION
    Thereafter he saw that the lotus on which he was situated was spread throughout the universe, and he contemplated how to create all the planets, which were previously merged in that very same lotus.
    PURPORT
    The seeds of all the planets in the universe were impregnated in the lotus on which Brahmā was situated. All the planets were already generated by the Lord, and all the living entities were also born in Brahmā. The material world and the living entities were all already generated in seedling forms by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Brahmā was to disseminate the same seedlings all over the universe. The real creation is therefore called sarga, and, later on, the manifestation by Brahmā is called visarga.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/3/10/7

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    Note: we have NO idea of this HUGE fish that can swallow WHALE. Yet these EXIST so Ocean is VERY vast.
    Prabhupāda: That we have already information. We have got timiṅgala. Just like big house. They can swallow up, what is called?
    Devotee: Whale. Whale.
    Prabhupāda: Whale (indistinct).

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1975/apr/conversation_with_devotees/hyderabad/april/14/1975

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    Note: SIZE of people etc get SMALLER
    Yaśodānandana: Do you think that… As the Kali-yuga progresses the people are getting smaller. Does this mean that Kṛṣṇa and His associates were much taller in stature than we are now?
    Prabhupāda: Yes.
    Yaśodānandana: They were much bigger.
    Prabhupāda: You have seen that Rādhā-Dāmodara temple, Kṛṣṇa footprint.
    Devotee: That means Kṛṣṇa must have been fifteen or twenty feet tall?
    Prabhupāda: (indistinct) But it is a fact formerly people were taller. We have seen. In our childhood we have seen, when European, they were very tall.
    Devotee: They were taller and they lived longer.
    Devotee (2): That story about King Mucukunda when he was sleeping in the cave and he came out of the cave and looked outside and he said, “Oh, it must be Kali-yuga.” because the trees were smaller and…
    Prabhupāda: Do you (indistinct) …the mango trees now? Some of the trees (indistinct), the lemon tree, stunted. In Japan they grow many trees.
    Devotee: In Japan they cultivate trees to be like that, very small. They have little orange trees. Orange trees are this big, orange trees.
    Prabhupāda: They are also becoming oranges. Japanese enjoy.
    Haṁsadūta: The Japanese and Chinese are very, very small.
    Prabhupāda: Did it…? [break] …special. There is a proverb, kalo brāhmaṇa kota śūdra bete mussulman kalki chele busi… (?) A brāhmaṇa, black… Brāhmaṇa’s another name is śukla, white. So as soon as a brāhmaṇa is black then he’s (indistinct) kalo brāhmaṇa. Kota śūdra, and śūdra, just like African, if they become white there is something mystery. Kalo brāhmaṇa kota śūdra bete mussulman, Mohammedan, because Mohammedan means the Afghans, they are very tall, so a Mussulman is dwarf, a brāhmaṇa is black, the śūdra is white, kalo brāhmaṇa kota śūdra bete mussulman and kalki chelo, that means the bastard and (indistinct) …these are all of the same class. Adopted son, he gets money, without any labor, he spends like anything. In your country there is adopted son?

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1975/apr/conversation_with_devotees/hyderabad/april/14/1975

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    Note: Lord Krsna is MASTER of all MYSTICS. He is YOGESVARA therefore He can make earth planet small OR big – as He chooses—– and He can have MILLIONS play in His pastimes when He descends and EXIBIT to us EXTRA ORDINARY power. Krsna is the SUPREME personality of Godhead:
    TEXT 78
    yatra yogeśvaraḥ kṛṣṇo
    yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ
    tatra śrīr vijayo bhūtir
    dhruvā nītir matir mama
    SYNONYMS
    yatra—where; yogeśvaraḥ—the master of mysticism; kṛṣṇaḥ—Lord Krṣna; yatra—where; pārthaḥ—the son of Pṛthā; dhanur-dharaḥ—the carrier of the bow and arrow; tatra—there; śrīḥ—opulence; vijayaḥ—victory; bhūtiḥ—exceptional power; dhruvā—certainly; nītiḥ—morality; matiḥ mama—is my opinion.
    TRANSLATION
    Wherever there is Kṛṣṇa, the master of all mystics, and wherever there is Arjuna, the supreme archer, there will ALSO certainly be opulence, victory, EXTRA ORDINARY power, and morality. That is my opinion.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/18/78
37. Mahesh Raja says:

    18. February 2019 at 3:48 pm

    Note: some interesting measurements:

    Just like you are seeing daily the sun. You see it is just like a disk, but it is not a disk.
    It is fourteen hundred times, FOURTEEN HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES BIGGER THAN THIS PLANET.

    Indian man (3): Swamiji, I would like to ask you one question, and that is in this time of Kali-yuga, is it possible that a layman could see the Paramātmā with his naked eye? And if he can, what he has to do or what?
    Prabhupāda: So the Paramātmā cannot be seen with your naked eye. You cannot see anything with your naked eye. You are very much proud of your eyes, but you do not see things as they are. Just like you are seeing daily the sun. You see it is just like a disk, but it is not a disk. It is fourteen hundred times, fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this planet. So you cannot see God, Paramātmā, by these eyes, these material eyes. You have to create your eyes. That is said,
    premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
    santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti
    yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ
    govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
    [Bs. 5.38]
    You can see God, or Kṛṣṇa, when you have developed love for Him. Otherwise you cannot see. This is the formula.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/18/45/durban/october/11/1975

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    Note: The sun is fourteen hundred times…, fourteen hundred thousands of times bigger than this earth.

    710326LE.BOM

    Because if the senses are imperfect, how you can be learned? Whatever you see, that is imperfect. Just like we see every day the sun, these eyes. And what we see? It is just like a disc. Is it a disc? It is fourteen hundred times bigger than this earth. So what is the value of your seeing? You cannot see what is behind the wall. Still, you are proud of seeing—”Can you show me? Can you show me God?”
    The sun is fourteen hundred times…, fourteen hundred thousands of times bigger than this earth.

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    Note:This means that Rāhu is TWICE as large as the moon, which is TWICE as large as the sun.

    TEXT 2
    yad adas taraṇer maṇḍalaṁ pratapatas tad vistarato yojanāyutam ācakṣate dvādaśa-sahasraṁ somasya trayodaśa-sahasraṁ rāhor yaḥ parvaṇi tad-vyavadhāna-kṛd vairānubandhaḥ sūryā-candramasāv abhidhāvati.
    SYNONYMS
    yat—which; adaḥ—that; taraṇeḥ—of the sun; maṇḍalam—globe; pratapataḥ—which is always distributing heat; tat—that; vistarataḥ—in terms of width; yojana—a distance of eight miles; ayutam—ten thousand; ācakṣate—they estimate; dvādaśa-sahasram—20,000 yojanas (160,000 miles); somasya—of the moon; trayodaśa—thirty; sahasram—one thousand; rāhoḥ—of the planet Rāhu; yaḥ—which; parvaṇi—on occasion; tat-vyavadhāna-kṛt—who created an obstruction to the sun and moon at the time of the distribution of nectar; vaira-anubandhaḥ—whose intentions are inimical; sūryā—the sun; candramasau—and the moon; abhidhāvati—runs after them on the full-moon night and the dark-moon day.
    TRANSLATION
    The sun globe, which is a source of heat, extends for 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles]. The moon extends for 20,000 yojanas [160,000 miles], and Rāhu extends for 30,000 yojanas [240,000 miles]. Formerly, when nectar was being distributed, Rāhu tried to create dissension between the sun and moon by interposing himself between them. Rāhu is inimical toward both the sun and the moon, and therefore he always tries to cover the sunshine and moonshine on the dark-moon day and full-moon night.
    PURPORT
    As stated herein, the sun extends for 10,000 yojanas, and the moon extends for twice that, or 20,000 yojanas. The word dvādaśa should be understood to mean twice as much as ten, or twenty. In the opinion of Vijayadhvaja, the extent of Rāhu should be twice that of the moon, or text of the Bhāgavatam, Vijayadhvaja cites the following quotation concerning Rāhu; rāhu-soma-ravīṇāṁ tu maṇḍalā dvi-guṇoktitām. This means that Rāhu is twice as large as the moon, which is twice as large as the sun. This is the conclusion of the commentator Vijayadhvaja.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/24/2

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    Note: Vertically, the sun-globe is situated just in the MIDDLE of the universe, in Antarikṣa, the space between Bhūrloka and Bhuvarloka. The distance between the sun and the circumference of Aṇḍa-golaka, the globe of the universe, is estimated to be twenty-five koṭi yojanas (two billion miles).

    In this chapter there is a description of various islands, beginning with Plakṣadvīpa, and the oceans that surround them. There is also a description of the location and dimensions of the mountain known as Lokāloka. The island of Plakṣadvīpa, which is twice as broad as Jambūdvīpa, is surrounded by an ocean of salt water. The master of this island is Idhmajihva, one of the sons of Mahārāja Priyavrata. The island is divided into seven regions, each with a mountain and a large river.
    The second island is called Sālmalīdvīpa. It is surrounded by an ocean of liquor and is 3,200,000 miles wide, twice as wide as Plakṣadvīpa. The master of this island is Yajñabāhu, one of the sons of Mahārāja Priyavrata. Like Plakṣadvīpa, this island is also divided into seven regions, each with a mountain and a very large river. The inhabitants of this island worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of Candrātmā.
    The third island, which is surrounded by an ocean of clarified butter and is also divided into seven regions, is called Kuśadvīpa. Its master is Hiraṇyaretā, another son of Mahārāja Priyavrata, and its inhabitants worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of Agni, the fire-god. The width of this island is 6,400,000 miles, or, in other words, twice the width of Sālmalīdvīpa.
    The fourth island, Krauñcadvīpa, which is surrounded by an ocean of milk, is 12,800,000 miles wide and is also divided, like the others, into seven regions, each with a large mountain and a large river. The master of this island is Ghṛtapṛṣṭha, another son of Mahārāja Priyavrata. The inhabitants of this island worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of water.
    The fifth island, Śākadvīpa, which is 25,600,000 miles wide, is surrounded by an ocean of yogurt. Its master is Medhātithi, another son of Mahārāja Priyavrata. It is also divided into seven regions, each with a large mountain and a large river. Its inhabitants worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of Vāyu, air.
    The sixth island, Puṣkaradvīpa, which is twice as wide as the previous island, is surrounded by an ocean of clear water. Its master is Vītihotra, another son of Mahārāja Priyavrata. The island is divided in two by a large mountain named Mānasottara. The inhabitants of this island worship Svayambhū, another feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Beyond Puṣkaradvīpa there are two islands, one always lit by the sunshine and the other always dark. Between them is a mountain called Lokāloka, which is situated one billion miles from the edge of the universe. Lord Nārāyaṇa, expanding His opulence, resides upon this mountain. The area beyond Lokāloka Mountain is called Aloka-varṣa, and beyond Aloka-varṣa is the pure destination of persons who desire liberation.
    Vertically, the sun-globe is situated just in the middle of the universe, in Antarikṣa, the space between Bhūrloka and Bhuvarloka. The distance between the sun and the circumference of Aṇḍa-golaka, the globe of the universe, is estimated to be twenty-five koṭi yojanas (TWO BILLION MILES). Because the sun enters the universe and divides the sky, it is known as Mārtaṇḍa, and because it is produced from Hiraṇyagarbha, the body of the mahat-tattva, it is also called Hiraṇyagarbha.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/20/20_summary

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    Note: Therefore, since the sun is in the MIDDLE of the universe, the distance between the sun and the edge of the universe is calculated to be twenty-five koṭi yojanas (TWO BILLION MILES).

    TEXT 43
    aṇḍa-madhya-gataḥ sūryo
    dyāv-ābhūmyor yad antaram
    sūryāṇḍa-golayor madhye
    koṭyaḥ syuḥ pañca-viṁśatiḥ
    SYNONYMS
    aṇḍa-madhya-gataḥ—situated in the center of the universe; sūryaḥ—the sun globe; dyāv-ābhūmyoḥ—the two planetary systems Bhūrloka and Bhuvarloka; yat—which; antaram—in between; sūrya—of the sun; aṇḍa-golayoḥ—and the globe of the universe; madhye—in the middle; koṭyaḥ—groups of ten million; syuḥ—are; pañca-viṁśatiḥ—twenty-five.
    TRANSLATION
    The sun is situated [vertically] in the middle of the universe, in the area between Bhūrloka and Bhuvarloka, which is called antarikṣa, outer space. The distance between the sun and the circumference of the universe is twenty-five koṭi yojanas [two billion miles].
    PURPORT
    The word koṭi means ten million, and a yojana is eight miles. The diameter of the universe is fifty koṭi yojanas (four billion miles). Therefore, since the sun is in the middle of the universe, the distance between the sun and the edge of the universe is calculated to be twenty-five koṭi yojanas (two billion miles).

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/20/43

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    TEXT 19
    lakṣottaraṁ sārdha-nava-koṭi-yojana-parimaṇḍalaṁ bhū-valayasya kṣaṇena sagavyūty-uttaraṁ dvi-sahasra-yojanāni sa bhuṅkte.
    SYNONYMS
    lakṣa-uttaram—increased by 100,000; sārdha—with 5,000,000; nava-koṭi-yojana—of 90,000,000 yojanas; parimaṇḍalam—circumference; bhū-valayasya—of the earthly sphere; kṣaṇena—in one moment; sagavyūti-uttaram—augmented by two krośas (four miles); dvi-sahasra-yojanāni—2,000 yojanas; saḥ—the sun-god; bhuṅkte—traverses.
    TRANSLATION
    My dear King, in his ORBIT through Bhū-maṇḍala, the sun-god traverses a distance of 95,100,000 yojanas [760,800,000 miles] at the speed of 2,000 yojanas and two krośas [16,004 miles] in a moment.
    Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports of the Fifth Canto, Twenty-first Chapter of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, entitled, “The Movements of the Sun.”

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/21/19

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    TEXT 84
    kṛṣṇa kahe, “ei brahmāṇḍa pañcāśat koṭi yojana
    ati kṣudra, tāte tomāra cāri vadana
    SYNONYMS
    kṛṣṇa kahe—Kṛṣṇa said; ei brahmāṇḍa—this universe; pañcāśat koṭi yojana—four billion miles; ati kṣudra—very small; tāte—therefore; tomāra—your; cāri vadana—four faces.
    TRANSLATION
    “Kṛṣṇa said, ‘Your particular universe extends four billion miles; therefore it is the SMALLEST OF ALL THE UNIVERSES. Consequently you have only four heads.
    PURPORT
    Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, one of the greatest astrologers of his time, gives information from Siddhānta-śiromaṇi that this universe measures 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles. This is the circumference of this universe. According to some, this is only half the circumference.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/21/84

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    Paramahaṁsa: That was my question.
    Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda says how can they see?
    Prabhupāda: No, they take all these stars as sun. But that is not fact. Sun is one. In each universe there is one sun in the middle. In this universe in the middle, from the circumference, 200,000,000,000’s, no, two billion.
    Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Two billion.
    Prabhupāda: And above the sun there is moon. Then Mars, then Venus, like that. 1,600,000 miles above, above, above.
    Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So the moon is further away than the sun.
    Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore I say they have never gone to moon. Never gone.
    Hṛdayānanda: What is that? Rahu. [break]
    Nalinī-kaṇṭha: They say that they can see stars trillions of miles away.
    Prabhupāda: But they cannot go. That’s a fact. According to their estimation, the moon is the nearest. So they cannot go there. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. [break] …deva-vratā devān. Moon is one of the heavenly planets. So unless one is very advanced in karma-kāṇḍa, offering sacrifices, nobody can go there. It is not so easy. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ [Bg. 14.18]. Those who are more and more higher status of goodness, they are promoted in the highest planet. Not by drinking wine and driving a sputnik one can… (laughter) It is not so easy. [break] …also drink soma-rasa. The residents of the moon, they live for ten thousand years.

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38. Amar Puri says:

    10. March 2019 at 7:22 pm

    Flat-Earth in the Ramayana article published BY: MAYESVARA DASA on Mar 06, IRELAND (SUN) — Part One, on The Sampradaya Sun web site regarding the BHU – Mandala describes ‘ flat-Earth ‘ is totally misleading and misinterpreting as per the WONT of the writer Mayesvara Dasa.

    In his presentation, he writes ; ” …….. Certainly we have all been conditioned by various forces to belief that the Earth is a globe floating in dark space, but one should not allow that presumed belief in the Earth globe to be the cause for doubting the description of the Earth circle as it is described in the Ramayana. …… ”

    Mayesvara Dasa accuses Srila Prabhupada in his writing ;

    ” Although Srila Prabhupada did not present his argument with reference to the Bhu-mandala concept, the enigma of Srila Prabhupada’s statement is revealed when we understand that the Vedic Earth is not a small globe of limited circumference floating in space, but rather a colossal circular disc that continues for hundreds of million of miles. ..”

    And yet very cleverly, Mayesvara Dasa has an odyssey to use Srila Prabhupada statements, conversations to bring across his wont of understanding ‘ flat – Earth ” concept of Bhu-Mandala as described in the Vedas by HDG. Srila Prabhupada.

    The basic term of the WORD ‘ Mandala ” is generally used within the manifested and non-manifested circle that has immense spiritual potency as a representation of the metaphysical cosmos or a cosmic map as a whole in the Universe in which the Living Entities lives. This sounds very complex, and it is, so there are many different kinds of mandalas. That is why Srila Prabhupada , perhaps, did not present his argument with reference to the Bhu-mandala concept. This gives the answer to the question of Mayesvara Dasa’s concept of ” flat – Earth” Bhu-manadala. Isn’t it ?

    Let us understand the meaning of Circle which means ; a group of people move round in a circle, revolve, rotate and so on.

    The meaning of GLOBE is understood as a World, Earth, Universe, Planet, Sphere, Orb, Ball, round etc.

    Moreover, as we learn from the Srimad Bhagavatam that the Bhu – Mandala is shaped like a Lotus Flower and the Seven Planetary system are in the whorl of the Lotus.

    We read from HDG. Srila Prabhupada letter dated 1968-12-20 regarding the planetary systems as to how the Planets are arranged in each universe in Layers like the petals of a Lotus.

    Further, the interesting Readers can also find from HDG. Srila Prabhupada letter dated 1976-04-27 describing the Universe just like a Tree with Root upwards…………….

    So, where is the the enigma of Srila Prabhupada’s statement as he writes ?

    Why Mayesvara Dasa does not refer to these particular statements of Srila Prabhupada in his
    presentation ?

    Why Mayesvara Dasa is so committed to ‘ flat – Earth ‘ misrepresentation ?

    Hope Mayesvara Dasa answers these questions.

    OM TAT SAT.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
39. Amar Puri says:

    10. March 2019 at 10:56 pm

    Dear Learned Readers,

    I came across a letter dated 3 October, 1976 from HDG. Srila Prabhupada which states that

    ” ….. Some portion of the earth is flat. When you stand in any place you see flat, so for us to some extent it appears flat, but it is round…… ”

    But it is round.

    Does this ‘ round ‘ mean in a CIRCULAR as Mayesvara Dasa propounds it in his easy of a ‘ flat – Earth ” as per his wont ?

    Round means moving round in a circle that is revolving or rotating. The Earth moves round in a circle, revolving or rotating around the Sun. That is what Srila Prabhupada refrs to …. it is round.

    Isn’t it ?

    Similarly, Srila Prabhupada uses the word ” GLOBE ” to describe the Earth globe or other planets as a ‘ globe ‘ which refers to Universe, Planet, Sphere, Orb, Ball, ” ROUND ” etc.

    Does this mean Earth is FLAT, Mayesvara Dasa ?

    Please, I beg from you, Mayesvara Dasa, kindly STOP misleading and misrepresenting Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.

    OM TAT SAT.

    I re-produce the letter here below for the ready reference of the Readers ;

    Letter to: Madhava
    —
    Vrindaban
    3 October, 1976
    76-10-03
    Boston
    My dear Madhava,

    Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 22nd Sept. 1976 and have noted the contents. Regarding details of the universe, be satisfied by reading only Bhagavatam. What is the use of reading other books—you are not going there. Some portion of the earth is flat. When you stand in any place you see flat, so for us to some extent it appears flat, but it is round.

    Simply keep faith that whatever we describe, that is a fact. After all, we are an insignificant creature in the universe, so whether you take the modern scientists or Sukadeva Goswami, it is inconceivable. It is best to keep faith in Sukadeva Goswami, because actually our only business is to go back to home, back to Godhead. So whether Sukadeva Goswami or the modern scientists are right or wrong, it is nothing interesting to us. We want to go back to home, back to Godhead—yanti mad-yajino’pi mam.

    I hope this meets you in good health.
    Your ever well-wisher,
    A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

    P.S. Bharata-varsa in 5th Canto refers to the whole earth.
    ACBS/as

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/vrindaban/october/03/1976/madhava

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    I find very interesting the following P.S. in the above cited letter ;

    P.S. Bharata-varsa in 5th Canto refers to the whole earth.

    Learned Readers, please shed some more light on the above statement.

    Thanks.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
40. Mahesh Raja says:

    11. March 2019 at 8:28 am

    Note: CONDITIONED SOUL Mayesvara das das CONTRADICTS with Srila Prabhupada the PURE DEVOTEE SELF-REALIZED MAHA-BHAGAVATA.

    THREE TIMES means GREAT STRESS ON A FACT. So this is NOT ONLY three times BUT: “There are MANY HUNDREDS of such statements were Srila Prabhupada refers to the Earth as ‘a planet,’ or as ‘a globe,’ or as ‘round.”

    MAYESVARA DASA : It is A FACT that in MOST instances when Srila Prabhupada translates Sanskrit names for the Earth, it is in a manner that suggests we are living on an Earth globe or an Earth planet. For example, he refers to King Prithu’s travels around ‘the globe,’ (bhuvo mandalam (SB 4.16.20), or Svayambhuva Manu ‘leading a huge army whose trampling feet cause the globe of the earth (mandalam bhuvah) to tremble.’ (SB 3.21.52-54) Srila Prabhupada constantly used terms such as ‘Earth planet’ or ‘planet Earth’, ‘Earthly planets’, ‘Earthly planetary systems’, and ‘Earth globe’. There are MANY HUNDREDS of such statements were Srila Prabhupada refers to the Earth as ‘a planet,’ or as ‘a globe,’ or as ‘round.’ For example:
    “Just like this universe is a jagad-anda, is a big round ball, anda. Anda means egglike, just like egg is round. Therefore it is called brahmanda. It is a round ball. Every planet is round, and the universe is also round, and the Vaikunthas are also round, all round.” (Madya-lila 20: 146-151, New York, December 3, 1966)
    http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15675.htm

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    TEXT 20
    nemaṁ viriñco na bhavo
    na śrīr apy aṅga-saṁśrayā
    prasādaṁ lebhire gopī
    yat tat prāpa vimuktidāt
    SYNONYMS
    na—not; imam—this exalted position; viriñcaḥ—Lord Brahmā; na—nor; bhavaḥ—Lord Śiva; na—nor; śrīḥ—the goddess of fortune; api—indeed; aṅga-saṁśrayā—although she is always the better half of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; prasādam—mercy; lebhire—obtained; gopī—mother Yaśodā; yat tat—as that which; prāpa—obtained; vimukti-dāt—from Kṛṣṇa, who gives deliverance from this material world.
    TRANSLATION
    Neither Lord Brahmā, nor Lord Śiva, nor even the goddess of fortune, who is always the better half of the Supreme Lord, can obtain from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the deliverer from this material world, such mercy as received by mother Yaśodā.
    PURPORT
    This is a comparative study between mother Yaśodā and other devotees of the Lord. As stated in Caitanya caritāmṛta (Ādi 5.142), ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya: the only supreme master is Kṛṣṇa, and all others are His servants. Kṛṣṇa has the transcendental quality of bhṛtya-vaśyatā, becoming subordinate to His bhṛtya, or servant. Now, although everyone is bhṛtya and although Kṛṣṇa has the quality of becoming subordinate to His bhṛtya, the position of mother Yaśodā is the greatest. Lord Brahmā is bhṛtya, a servant of Kṛṣṇa, and he is ādi-kavi, the original creator of this universe (tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye). Nonetheless, even he could not obtain such mercy as mother Yaśodā. As for Lord Śiva, he is the topmost Vaiṣṇava (vaiṣṇavānāṁ yathā śambhuḥ). What to speak of Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, the goddess of fortune, Lakṣmī, is the Lord’s constant companion in service, since she always associates with His body. But even she could not get such mercy. Therefore Mahārāja Parīkṣit was surprised, thinking, “What did mother Yaśodā and Nanda Mahārāja do in their previous lives by which they got such a great opportunity, the opportunity to be the affectionate father and mother of Kṛṣṇa?”
    IN THIS VERSE THERE ARE THREE NEGATIVE PRONOUNCEMENTS—NA, NA, NA. WHEN ANYTHING IS UTTERED THREE TIMES—“DO IT, DO IT, DO IT”—ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS MEANT TO INDICATE GREAT STRESS ON A FACT. In this verse, we find na lebhire, na lebhire, na lebhire. Yet mother Yaśodā is in the supermost exalted position, and thus Kṛṣṇa has become completely subordinate to her.
    The word vimuktidāt is also significant. There are different types of liberation, such as sāyujya, sālokya, sārūpya, sārṣṭi and sāmīpya, but vimukti means “special mukti.” When after liberation one is situated on the platform of prema-bhakti, one is said to have achieved vimukti, “special mukti.” Therefore the word na is mentioned. That exalted platform of premā is described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu as premā pum-artho mahān, and mother Yaśodā naturally acts in such an exalted position in loving affairs. She is therefore a nitya-siddha devotee, an expansion of Kṛṣṇa’s hlādinī potency, His potency to enjoy transcendental bliss through expansions who are special devotees (ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhiḥ). Such devotees are not sādhana-siddha.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/10/9/20

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    TEXT 23
    dārḍhya lāgi’ ‘harer nāma’-ukti tina-vāra
    jaḍa loka bujhāite punaḥ ‘eva’-kāra
    SYNONYMS
    dārḍhya lāgi’-in the matter of emphasizing; harer nāma—of the holy name of Lord Hari; ukti—there is utterance; tina-vāra—three times; jaḍa loka—ordinary common people; bujhāite—just to make them understand; punaḥ—again; eva-kāra—the word eva, or “certainly.”
    TRANSLATION
    “THIS VERSE REPEATS THE WORD ‘EVA’ [‘CERTAINLY’] THREE TIMES FOR EMPHASIS, AND IT ALSO THREE TIMES REPEATS ‘HARER NĀMA’ [‘THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD’], JUST TO MAKE COMMON PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
    PURPORT
    TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING TO AN ORDINARY PERSON, ONE MAY REPEAT IT THREE TIMES, JUST AS ONE MIGHT SAY, “YOU MUST DO THIS! YOU MUST DO THIS! YOU MUST DO THIS!” THUS THE BṚHAN-NĀRADĪYA PURĀṆA REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZES THE CHANTING OF THE HOLY NAME SO THAT PEOPLE MAY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND THUS FREE THEMSELVES FROM THE CLUTCHES OF MĀYĀ. It is our practical experience in the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement all over the world that many millions of people are factually coming to the spiritual stage of life simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra regularly, according to the prescribed principles. Therefore our request to all our students is that they daily chant at least sixteen rounds of this harer nāma mahā-mantra offenselessly, following the regulative principles. Thus their success will be assured without a doubt.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/adi/17/23

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    Similarly Śaṅkarācārya, he’s also impersonalist, but he accepts Kṛṣṇa the supreme authority. Sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇa. “Kṛṣṇa is that Supreme Personality of Godhead.” The modern Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not disclose this statement of Śaṅkarācārya. To cheat people. But Śaṅkarācārya’s statement is there. We can give evidence. He accepts Kṛṣṇa as the supreme authority. He has written so many nice poems praising or worshiping Kṛṣṇa. AND AT THE LAST TIME HE SAYS, BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ MŪḌHA-MATE. “YOU RASCAL FOOLS. OH, YOU ARE DEPENDING ON GRAMMAR TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS ALL NONSENSE.” BHAJA GOVINDAM. “JUST WORSHIP GOVINDA.” BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA… THREE TIMES HE SAYS. “JUST WORSHIP GOVINDA.” BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAṀ BHAJA GOVINDAM. JUST LIKE CAITANYA MAHĀPRABHU SAYS THREE TIMES, HARER NĀMA HARER NĀMA HARER NĀMA [CC. ĀDI 17.21]. THREE TIMES MEANS GIVING TOO MUCH STRESS. JUST LIKE WE SOMETIMES SAY, “YOU DO THIS, DO THIS, DO THIS.” THAT MEANS NO MORE DENIAL. FINISH ALL STRESS. So as soon as one thing is three times stressed, that means final. So Śaṅkarācārya says, bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍha-mate. Mūḍha, mūḍha I’ve several times explained. Mūḍha means rascal, ass. You are depending on your grammatical understanding, dukṛn karaṇe. Dukṛn, these are grammatical affix and prefix, pratya, prakaraṇa. So you are depending on this verbal root, that verbal root, and creating, interpreting your meaning in a different way. All this is nonsense. This dukṛn karaṇe, your grammatical jugglery of words, will not save you at the time of death. You rascal, you just worship Govinda, Govinda, Govinda. That is the instruction of Śaṅkarācārya also. Because he was a devotee, he was a great devotee. But he pretended to be an atheist because he was to deal with the atheists. Unless he presents himself as an atheist, the atheist followers will not hear him. Therefore he presented Māyāvāda philosophy for the time being. The Māyāvāda philosophy cannot be accepted eternally. The eternal philosophy is Bhagavad-gītā. That is the verdict.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/2/8-12/los_angeles/november/27/1968
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    Note: the choice is CONDITIONED soul Mayesvara das’s version of Flat earth OR Srila Prabhupada the SELF REALIZED MAHA-BHAGAVATA version:All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped:

    SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
    The impersonalists can imagine or even perceive that the Supreme Brahman is thus all-pervading, and therefore they conclude that there is no possibility of His personal form. Herein lies the mystery of His transcendental knowledge. This mystery is transcendental love of Godhead, and one who is surcharged with such transcendental love of Godhead can without difficulty see the Personality of Godhead in every atom and every movable or immovable object. And at the same time he can see the Personality of Godhead in His own abode, Goloka, enjoying eternal pastimes with His eternal associates, who are also expansions of His transcendental existence. This vision is the real mystery of spiritual knowledge, as stated by the Lord in the beginning (sarahasyam tad-angam ca). This mystery is the most confidential part of the knowledge of the Supreme, and it is impossible for the mental speculators to discover by dint of intellectual gymnastics. The mystery can be revealed through the process recommended by Brahmaji in his Brahma-samhita (5.38) as follows:

    premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
    santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti
    yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam
    govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

    “I worship the original Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom the pure devotees, their eyes smeared with the ointment of love of Godhead, ALWAYS OBSERVE WITHIN THEIR HEARTS. This Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead, is Syamasundara with all transcendental qualities.”
    Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. THE VISION OF THE DEVOTEES IS NOT ORDINARY; IT IS PURIFIED BY THE PROCESS OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. IN OTHER WORDS, AS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENTS ARE BOTH WITHIN AND WITHOUT, SIMILARLY THE LORD’S NAME, FORM, QUALITY, PASTIMES, ENTOURAGE, ETC., AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE REVEALED SCRIPTURES OR AS PERFORMED IN THE VAIKUNTHALOKAS, FAR, FAR BEYOND THE MATERIAL COSMIC MANIFESTATION, ARE FACTUALLY BEING TELEVISED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THE MAN WITH A POOR FUND OF KNOWLEDGE CANNOT UNDERSTAND, ALTHOUGH BY MATERIAL SCIENCE ONE CAN SEE THINGS FAR AWAY BY MEANS OF TELEVISION. FACTUALLY, THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART. THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.

    751017BG.JOH Lectures
    Prabhupada: I shall speak some verses from Bhagavad-gita, Second Chapter, in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna instructed. The beginning of instruction is the Second Chapter of Bhagavad-gita. So Arjuna, representing ourself, conditioned soul, covered with the material body and thinking in bodily conception of life… He was to fight with his brothers, nephews, grandfather, Bhismadeva, also teacher the military science, Dronacarya. In this way the business was not very palatable. Although he was forced to fight by the opposite party who were very near, thick and thin people, and he had to kill them, so it was not very satisfactory to him. Therefore he flatly denied to fight: “Krsna, I am not going to fight.” He left his weapon, and then Krsna was surprised that “My friend, Arjuna, he is denying to fight in My presence.”
    SO SANJAYA, THE PRIVATE SECRETARY OF MAHARAJA DHRTARASTRA, HE WAS RELAYING THE MESSAGE WHICH WAS GOING ON IN THE BATTLE OF KURUKSETRA BY HIGHER PROCESS. NOWADAYS WE HAVE GOT EXPERIENCE OF THE TELEVISION, BUT THE ANOTHER PROCESS, ANTAR-DRSTI, THAT IS ALSO TELEVISION. YOU CAN SEE THE REFLECTION OF EXTERNAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN YOUR HEART, AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN. So Sanjaya, the private secretary of Maharaja Dhrtarastra, he explained that Arjuna was denying to fight.

    720414LE.AUC Lectures
    Prabhupada: Yuyutsavah, it is called yuyutsavah. So yuyutsavah means when two parties are fighting, they are called yuyutsavah, “Desiring to fight, they prepared.” So actually these two groups of brothers, cousin brothers, they assembled there for fighting to decide their fate. So everything is clear. Dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta, assembled, yuyutsavah, for fighting. And who are they? It is the question of Dhrtarastra, the father of the Duryodhana, and he is asking his private secretary, Sanjaya. SANJAYA WAS RELAYING THE FIGHT IN THE BATTLEFIELD, AND DHRTARASTRA WAS BLIND. JUST LIKE TELEVISION. SO HE WAS SEEING THE FIGHT FROM THE HEART. IT MEANS THERE IS STILL MORE FINER SCIENCE, THAT YOU DON’T REQUIRE MACHINE TO SEE IT BY TELEVISION, WHAT IS GOING OUTSIDE. YOU CAN SEE WITHIN YOUR HEART. SO THIS SANJAYA WAS SEEING THE BATTLE, AND HE WAS RELAYING TO DHRTARASTRA.

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    Note: OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM.

    731208SB.LA
    So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARĀ SYSTEM. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya.

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41. Mahesh Raja says:

    11. March 2019 at 6:01 pm

    Amar Puri: I came across a letter dated 3 October, 1976 from HDG. Srila Prabhupada which states that

    ” ….. Some portion of the earth is flat. When you stand in any place you see flat, so for us to some extent it appears flat, but it is round…… ”

    But it is round.

    Does this ‘ round ‘ mean in a CIRCULAR as Mayesvara Dasa propounds it in his easy of a ‘ flat – Earth ” as per his wont ?

    Mahesh: Here is Srila Prabhupada’s OWN DESCRIPTION understanding of “round”:

    Just like this universe is a jagad-anda, IS A BIG ROUND BALL, anda. Anda MEANS EGGLIKE, JUST LIKE EGG IS ROUND. Therefore it is called brahmanda. It is a round ball. EVERY PLANET IS ROUND, and the universe is also round, and the Vaikunthas are also round, all round.” (Madya-lila 20: 146-151, New York, December 3, 1966)

    • Amar Puri says:

      13. March 2019 at 8:31 pm

      So, Mahesh Prabhu, based on Srila Prabhupada’s explanation quoted by you in reply to my question, it proves my point asking that question that Mayesvara Dasa factually concocts this terms ‘ flat-Earth’ conception specifically referring to the Bhu-mandala (Earth circle) as he propounds in his flat-Earth essay which is totally misconceived and misrepresented for the misleading of massive people while he quotes from the cosmological sections of the Vedic Puranas ( histories ) on the ‘ flat-Earth ‘ conception in his essay.

      Therefore, the ‘ flat-Earth’ conception is no where to be found in the Vedic Puranas.

      OM TAT SAT.

      Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
42. Amar Puri says:

    13. March 2019 at 9:46 pm

    Dear Learned Readers,

    To prove my further points as to why Mayesvara Dasa Bhu-mandala (flat – Earth) concept is totally misconceived and misrepresented, I wish to quote here below the contents from Srimad Bhagavatam 5-16-2 & 3, 5-16-5 and 5-20-38 which reads ;

    ” The Sun God Vivasvan travels on his Golden chariot aka Kala – Chakra i.e. Time of Wheel drawn by the Horses on the Mansottara Mountain passes on the above edge of the Bhu-Mandala area distributes Heat and Light every where indiscriminately on this Earthy sphere is known as a DAY and travels across the Earth to the opposite side while ” NIGHT ” is caused when Sun God passes below or the opposite side creating darkness i.e. night and continues travels in a rotating motion creating, thus, DAY and NIGHT – Light and Darkness on the Region of the known Earthly Sphere. ”

    Therefore, based on the above understanding of the description from the Srimad Bhagavatam, the Bhu-Manadala is not a ‘ flat – Earth ‘ concoction as Mayesvera Dasa tries his very best to present it through misguided and misrepresented term or a concept as a ‘flat – Earth’ Bhu-Mandala.

    Thus, ends my discussion.

    OM TAT SAT.

    Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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