Pradyumna: (leads chanting, etc.)
Prabhupada: So Pariksit Maharaja was asking and Sukadeva Gosvami was replying. Both of them were fit to ask and to reply. Bhagavata-pradhanah. Maharaja Pariksit was disciple, and Sukadeva Gosvami was his spiritual master. If both of them become fit, are fit, then the discussion of Srimad-Bhagavatam is very pleasing. The student and the master. If the master is learned and the student is foolish, then it will be not very much pleasing. Or the master is foolish and student is also foolish, that will also not be ... Both of them should be ... Satam prasangan mama virya-samvido bhavanti hrt-karna-rasayanah kathah. Virya, virya means potency. Just like if a potent husband and potent wife have sex intercourse, immediately there will be pregnancy. Therefore this word is used. Potent. Formerly, this was being used. Both the husband and the wife remained potent, not impotent and sterilized. They remained potent, voluntarily. But when they wanted to beget a child, that one sex intercourse is sufficient. There is child.athabhidhehy anga mano-'nukulam
prabhasase bhagavata-pradhanah
yad aha vaiyasakir atma-vidya-
visarado nrpatim sadhu prstahTranslation: "O Suta Gosvami, your words are pleasing to our minds. Please therefore explain this to us as it was spoken by the great devotee Sukadeva Gosvami, who is very expert in transcendental knowledge, and who spoke to Maharaja Pariksit upon being asked."
Therefore it is said, satam prasangan mama virya-samvido bhavanti hrt-karna-rasayanah kathah. If the Bhagavata discussion is done between the two potents, the disciple and the master, then immediately, sadyah hrdi avarudhyate. As it is said in the beginning. Have you got Bhagavata? The first, beginning? Sadyo hrdy avarudhyate. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam idam [SB 1.1.3], Srimad-Bhagavatam. Sadyo hrdy avarudhyate, susrusubhis tat-ksanat. Susrusubhih, those who are serious about understanding about the Supreme Absolute Truth, so for him, immediately God becomes entrapped within the heart. God is there, but especially... Hrdi avarudhyate, kim va paraih... Avarudhyate means you capture God. If there is discussion between devotees... Tusyanti ca ramanti ca. In Bhagavad-gita it is said. Tusyanti ca ramanti ca. When Bhagavata discussion is there amongst devotees... It is the business of the devotees, not the business of the nondevotees. Unfortunately, India, it has become a profession.
Some unscrupulous persons, they recite Bhagavata-saptaha, and the audience gather also for some material benefit. They take it as auspicious activity, subha-karya. They don't care for neither the speaker nor the devotee. They don't care for understanding the science of God. They are after some material profit. The professional reader, he reads, he takes some contribution, some money, some clothing, some umbrella, some shoes, some food, some money. In this way, he collects a very lump sum for his maintenance of his family, and the audience also thinks that "By hearing Bhagavatam, I'll be very much profited materially." This is going on. Bhagavata-saptaha. Bhagavata-saptaha, imitation. Pariksit Maharaja heard for one week Srimad-Bhagavatam from Sukadeva Gosvami. So they are imitating this one week. But where is Pariksit and where is Sukadeva? Both of them have got some ulterior purpose to hear Bhagavata. Therefore it is not affecting. They are hearing Bhagavata for thousands of years, but still, they are where they were formerly.
But actually, if Srimad-Bhagavatam is heard... Just like Pariksit Maharaja is hearing... Sri-visnoh smarane. Sri-visnu, abhavad vaiyasakih kirtane. Sravanam kirtanam. Sri-visnoh sravane pariksit. Pariksit Maharaja got salvation simply by hearing about Visnu. Sri-visnoh smarane, sravane. Pariksit Maharaja he was king, he was politician. So he had not much knowledge about Vedic instruction. But when he was cursed that he would die in seven days, he became very serious, and all the sages and saintly persons agreed that "Maharaja Pariksit, for the last remaining days of his life, seven days, he should hear attentively Srimad-Bhagavatam." So, sri-visnoh sravane pariksit. He got salvation simply by hearing about the glories of the Lord or activities of the Lord, which is described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Sri-visnoh sravane pariksid abhavad vaiyasakih kirtane. And Vaiyasaki... Vaiyasaki's name is mentioned here. Vaiyasakir atma-vidya. Vaiyasaki means Sukadeva Gosvami.
He simply went on narrating. In the middle, there were some questions, intelligent questions, by Pariksit Maharaja. Question is also required. If you simply hear, do not understand, just like dumb stone, that's not good. You should hear attentively, and as soon as there is some difficulty, you should question. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya [Bg. 4.34]. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said that you should understand... First of all surrender. Pranipata. Tad viddhi pranipatena. Pranipatena means you must find out an able teacher, where you can surrender. So nobody wants to surrender, but if he sees that there is a greater personality than him, he surrenders. That is nature. So this pranipata word means that you do not go for understanding Bhagavad-gita and Bhagavata to a store-keeper. You should go to a person where you can surrender. Tad viddhi pranipatena [Bg. 4.34]. And pariprasnena. And inquiry. And sevaya. You should not take... You should not inquire gratis; you must give service.
Just like if you purchase something, you must pay for it. Therefore it is called sevaya. You cannot pay by returning the value which is taught by the spiritual master. That is not possible. Therefore it is called sevaya. Dedicate your life for his service. You cannot pay. What you have got to pay to a spiritual master? Just like our King Prthu Maharaja. When the Kumaras preached to him about transcendental knowledge, he very humbly submitted, "My dear spiritual master, you have taught me so nice. I require to give you some daksina." Daksina, that is required. After initiation, one should pay daksina. That is a system. "I should pay daksina, but what shall I pay? I haven't got anything as my personal possession. It is already by the mercy of the brahmanas that I am enjoying this kingdom. So it is already belonging to you. My kingdom, it is already belonging to you." That was the system. If any saintly person, brahmana, will ask from a ksatriya king, he cannot deny.
Karna, he gave his son to be sacrificed. A brahmana asked that "I want your son to be sacrificed by you." He was incarnation of God. He tested Karna's charity. He was very charitable, so he asked him that "I want your son, and you shall sacrifice, you both, husband and wife." He agreed, Karna, "Yes, I'll do that." So there was some test like that. So actually, formerly, the kings, they possessed their kingdom just to manage, not thinking "It is my property. I am the king." As soon as the kings thought like that, the monarchy finished. The king never thought like that. He thought himself as appointed agent of God, king. So he never thought. So Par... Suka. . . Prthu Maharaja said that "Nothing belongs to me, and even if I can pay from my treasury, so I cannot actually pay for the benefit I have derived from you. Therefore, the only way I can pay -- that I surrender unto you. You can utilize me in any way." So, tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya [Bg. 4.34]. Therefore the disciple's duty is to be ready always to serve the spiritual master, at any cost.
That is the disciple's duty. Sevaya. Upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah. So real knowledge can be achieved in this process. Pranipata... Not that I can challenge, "Oh, I can know. I have got so much education and degrees. I can understand what is God," or "There is no need of God. I am God. We are the controller." So these are all rascaldom. Real thing is tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena, as Pariksit Maharaja, the emperor of the world, he's hearing from Sukadeva Gosvami, you have seen that picture in our Bhagavata, newly published, how Pariksit Maharaja humbly asking and sitting before Sukadeva Gosvami. So, bhagavata-pradhanah. Bhagavata-pradhanah. So Sukadeva Gosvami is the chief bhagavata. Bhagavata, there are two kinds of bhagavata: grantha bhagavatam and this person bhagavatam. So Sukadeva Gosvami was person bhagavatam, bhagavata, chief. Bhagavata-pradhanah. Bhagavata-pradhanah means realized souls. We should not hear Bhagavatam from a professional man, who are observing the Bhagavata-saptaha.
I know, in Bombay there is a big speaker of Bhagavatam. He preaches that "You remain in your family life very peacefully. This is the instruction of Bhagavata." He never teaches that you have to give up this nonsense family life and you have to go back to home, back to Godhead. He never preaches that. There are so many examples. He comes to the conclusion that "You live peacefully," as if to live peacefully in this material world is the highest achievement of life. They will never disclose the actual fact that nobody can live in this world peacefully. It is not possible at all. But they want money. So they'll flatter or they'll go to Krsna's rasa-lila, presenting Krsna as ordinary human being and the gopis are ordinary girls. So this is very palatable for us, kissing, embracing young girls. So Krsna is doing, but they take it that their embracing and kissing is supported by Krsna. This is going on. That is a different subject matter; they do not know that.
Therefore the Krsna's dealing with the gopis have been described in the middle of Tenth Canto. And nine cantos have been devoted, describe, so that one may understand what is Krsna. What is Krsna. The beginning of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. Begins, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. What is this Vasudeva, Krsna? Janmady asya yatah. "He the origin of everything." And we, if we take Krsna as ordinary person and He's dancing with the gopis just like ordinary thing, then what Bhagavata he will understand? He will go to hell. He's deriding, taking Krsna very insignificantly. Avajna. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11]. "These rascals, because I observe My pastimes just like human being, they're accepting Me as human being, ordinary." Manusim tanum asritam. Param bhavam ajanantah. They do not know what is the background of Krsna. The background of Krsna is in the beginning said janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. The first aphorism of Vedanta-sutra.
That means, Vedanta means to understand Krsna. These rascal Vedantists, they try to kill Krsna. They want to become himself Krsna, the so-called Vedantists. Vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15]. The purpose of reading Vedanta means to understand Krsna. So without understanding Krsna, without being trained up how to understand Krsna, if one reads about Krsna's rasa-lila, he'll go to hell. Because he has got the tendency of this easy sex, so he thinks, "Krsna is like us." And therefore, for ordinary men, this krsna-lila... Krsna-lila means they simply understand krsna-lila means Krsna's rasa-lila. That's all. And Krsna's killing the Kamsa, that is not lila. Because Kamsas, the raksasas, they are afraid of being vanquished by Krsna. So they do not like that lila. They'll like this lila. So therefore the idea is that if we want to understand Krsna, we should... Krsna understanding is not so easy.
So like Sukadeva Gosvami, you should hear patiently, submissively, with service and question. So in that way Maharaja Pariksit attained salvation in seven days. If it is, Srimad-Bhagavatam, actually heard in that seriousness... Where is that seriousness? That seriousness was there in Pariksit Maharaja because he knew it certainly that he was going to die within seven days. So "I have to finish my God realization, self-realization, with seven days." We are not so serious, because we are thinking that "We shall live for seven millions of years, so let me go slowly. Better utilize the time by sleeping." That is our position. If you have got some time, "Let me take this opportunity by sleeping, not by reading the books." So if you do not become serious, then it will take many, many years. But we should be serious more than Sukadeva or Pariksit Maharaja. Pariksit Maharaja had at least time limit seven days, but we do not know whether we will live again seven minutes. Any moment your heart can failure.manusyanam sahasresu
kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam
kascin mam vetti tattvatah
[Bg. 7.3]
You do not know. You are going to the street... Just like the two boys were coming. They did not know that they were going to be killed. So our life is so jeopardized. Any moment I can die. That's a fact. If you don't take seriously like that, that "Any moment, I can die." So Pariksit Maharaja had the opportunity of hearing Srimad-Bhagavatam for seven days, so I do not know whether we'll have, I have opportunity for reading Srimad-Bhagavatam for seven minutes. So let me read it very seriously." That should be our attitude. Not that, "Seven... Oh, Pariksit Maharaja was given seven days notice. Oh, I have no such notice. I may live for seven millions of years." That is our disease. Here the most wonderful thing is that everyone is seeing that everyone is dying every moment, but the man seeing, he's thinking that he will live forever. This is the most wonderful thing. Nobody thinks, "No. He is dying, so I will have to die." No. He thinks "I'll live. He is dying." This is the most wonderful thing.
He does not think that "I have seen. My father has died, my mother has died, my brother has died. So everyone has died. So I'll die. So what I am doing before death?" They're not serious. Not at all serious. But death is... "As sure as death." And we do not know when that death is coming to take place. So how much serious we should be. We should be very serious. Labdhva su-durlabham idam bahu-sambhavante. We have got this human form of body, human consciousness, advanced consciousness, after many, many births, after through the evolutionary process. Many millions of years we have passed through many species of life. Asitim caturas caiva laksams tan jiva-jatisu. Asitim caturah, eighty-four lakhs or 8,400,000's. Bhramadbhih purusaih prapyam manusyam. In this way, going through so many species of life, we have got this human form of life.
tad apy abhalatam jatah
tesam atmabhimaninam
varakanam anasritya
govinda-carana-dvayam
Krsna personally comes to canvass. Because we are all Krsna's children, He's very sorry that we are in this miserable condition of life. He's very sorry. But we are so fool, we do not know that what is the condition of our life. We are thinking we are very much happy. This is called maya. He's suffering, he's kicked by the shoes of maya every moment, and still, he's thinking "I am very happy. Why shall I go back to home? I shall remain in America." But you cannot be allowed to remain in America. You are thinking, "All right... You are born of a very rich family, a rich nation, you have got opulence. You have... Your roads and your houses are very nice, but who is going to allow you to live here? Why don't you think like that? You may live for fifty years, or sixty years, or utmost 100 years; then you'll be kicked out. But they do not know that life is eternal.sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
[Bg. 18.66]
When I am kicked out, then what life I am going to accept? They are in oblivion. There is no education in the university. This is going on. So this Krsna consciousness movement is a boon to the human society. You should take it very seriously and utilize your human form of life to understand it and be happy. Thank you very much. (pause) Why not begin immediately? (end)
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.3.25 -- Los Angeles, June 23, 1972