WHO IS TIM LEE – PURANJANA – PADA
“In the mode of goodness, by development of knowledge, one can understand what is what, but the mode of ignorance is just the opposite. Everyone under the spell of the mode of ignorance becomes mad, and a madman cannot understand what is what. Instead of making advancement, one becomes degraded. The definition of the mode of ignorance is stated in the Vedic literature: under the spell of ignorance, one cannot understand the thing as it is.” (Bg 14.8)
PART I
Description about Puranjana Das, Tim Lee, PADA,
from various Devotees:
Bhakta Das speaks about Puranjana aka Tim Lee:
Bhakta Das: actually I dont call him by the name of Puranjana anylonger, because someone who is taking initiation as a vaishnava never uses their tounge to offend every one in the world, the way he does, every living entity. He has nothing positive to say ever about anyone (exept himself). This is so un-vaishnava, unlike any highly respected vaishnava I have been associatin with. Therefore I call him “Timmy-Pup-Smeller-Lee“, because he is like flies, enjoying the smelly stool, whereas vaisnavas are like bees going for the honey. Timmy he likes to always find some pup to smell and to toss around, wether it is real pup or ficticious pup, it does not really matter to him. Normally he would take a small amount of pup and he will turn it into a big pile and spread it around the world and trying to stink up everyone’s name, whom he does not like, which seems to be every one in the world. » More here «
Why Puranjana TIM LEE PADA stinks as much as the stool he meditates on
Lakshmi Kary: I think you are a lier, fabricator, paranoid schizophrenic type person who suffers from torrettes syndrome and an inferiority complex. While you might have people that agree with you, most devotees conscience would stop them from writing such wide spread BS and blasting it across the internet and embarrassing themselves as you do.
WHAT GREAT QUALTIES DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN TURN STOOL INTO SOMETHING OTHER THAN STOOL?
Do us all, and do Srila Prabhupada a favor and take all the BS off your website. Monkey on stick isnt a FACT. All your references about so many people trying to kill you etc – paranoia.
How many people have been arrested for beating you? I know real devotees who were beaten for going against ISKCON, but funny thing is you think you are a messiah angel108 is your e-mail, funny thing, many real devotees think they are lower than a worm, but you think you are”angel”.
In short, you are JUST A BAD AS THE VERY PEOPLE YOU POINT THE FINGER AT. STOP KICKING STOOL ON SP WHILE YOU ARE BUSY TRYING TO KICK STOOL ON OTHERS AND YOURSELF.
So thanks for all your great preaching there! You doing a great service making SP look like the leader of a bunch of nuts and rouges. I bet under neath all that dense consciousness of yours lurks alot of envy and anger that you were just a no body in the movement, with a looser life and all you have, is to pass as much foul gas as you can to make a big stink so people will notice you. thanks,I feel much better now, even with the above it doesnt come close to all the stuff thats on your website. (Lakshmi Kary)
Nara Narayan Vishwakarma Speaks about Puranjana AKA Tim Lee
NNV: “Over the years, i feel that he has developed a very unhealthy mental condition that you could say is perhaps perverted, because he is obsessed with illegal <indistinctand ugly, kinky sex which he then just hides by pointing the finger at the GBC and “gurus”. [..] He’s not a hero for anybody.. particularly Srila Prabhupada. I swear, he is AGAINST everyone who is FOR Srila Prabhupada.” » More here «
Janardana Das: “We are dealing with a personality that is unrepentant and entierly insincere. In as so much, that when he offended srila prabhupada with his gopi bhava club…prabhupada personally called him “insincere“…and tim lee just walked out of the movement…no apology to prabhupada whatsoever..no repentance… So perhaps this quarrel that he is instigating is his way of “getting back at prabhupada“…for calling him out…calling him insincere… To divide the real prabhupadanugas is tims kali sanga…tim lee was completely offended that prabhupada was upset with him and took it as a personal attack…(because tim lee can do no wrong in his own narcissistic mind) so today when a devotee disagrees with him…he takes it as a personal attack and begins his smear campaign. Just as he did with prabhupada…which is evident in the turley lawsuit…and is evident in his attitude towards those who sincerely love prabhupada.. He needs to be stopped.”
Krishna Kirtan: WHY? Now you ask yourself. Why would Tim Lee do this? The answer is simple:While espousing and trying to own the narrative on all the important issues (like the poison issue etc all), the detriment of his own character serves his psyops cause even more so. Why?
Because anyone looking at this would easily dislike this type of material, and subsequently he would be discrediting himself in the process. For someone who knows nothing about the serious, important and valid issues (which Tim Lee talks about non-stop), discreting himself through these type of thing would serve to discredit all the valid material as well. In other words, to someone looking at Tim Lee and his presentation, he must be crazy, therefore anything else that he talks about (many of which are true), would be instantly categorized as nonsense hateful propaganda.
A great example of psyops tactics, just one example. The manipulation tactics are numerous, and usually people fall for them easily, simply because they are not willing nor prepared to do their own unbiased filtering and research.
The first objective is to get devotees disillusioned with Krishna consciousness by playing on their emotions through his negative and solutionless presentation, and the other objective, which is performed simultaneously, is to alienate as quickly as possible anyone new to Krishna consciousness before they get too far into it. That’s his JOB, literal job. It’s just a job, and that’s how he sees it, and that’s what it is for him and his higher ups.» More here «
“Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance-these qualities belong to those of demonic nature, O son of Pṛthā.” (Bg 16.4)
“While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises. From anger, delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost, one falls down again into the material pool.” (Bg 2.63)
“The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one’s existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.” (Bg 16.1-3)
Bhakti Ananda Goswami: Tim is now quite demented
Bhakti Ananda Goswami II: If Tim is now quite demented, as seems obvious, then all kinds of bizarre things could be coming out of him, but his supporters may be playing damage-control by ghost-writing the more rational-sounding letters ‘from’ him. If I was Tim or his family, I would be more worried about his own supporters killing him as their final damage-control effort. If he is a dangerous someone’s puppet or a dangerous someone’s master, either way, if he out-lives his usefulness, the dangerous someone will want to dis-credit or dispose of him.
He really appears to be immoral and darkly demented and ‘possessed’ by something very ugly. If he was in an extended care hospital (‘nursing home’) he would not be allowed to indulge in such sadistic-looking fantasies or to inflict his dark imaginings on the other patients. Essentially he would be socially isolated from the rest of the patients, rather than to let him disturb their minds with such sick talk, ‘music’ or imagery. » More here «
‘Tim Lee’s Outrageous Lie’ by Pancali Devi Dasi
His blasphemous prajalpa preaching harms the spiritual growth of new bhaktas and bhaktines Many hundreds of devotees have requested Tim to change his ways, retract his lies, make peace with Prabhupada but his blasphemy only increases. Feed a snake milk and it increases their venom. Don’t stand for this nonsense.
Tim Lee aka Puranjana das in a written court document stated that our beloved Srila Prabhupada knew of the gurukula abuse and covered it up. We all know if Prabhupada knew of such a thing those involved would of been kicked out of ISKCON within a moment. IT’S AN OUTRAGEOUS LIE!
Why would Tim Lee suggest such a thing? It is because Tim Lee is hell bent on destroying ISKCON as in fact he hates Srila Prabhupada. He hates Prabhupada as Prabhupada heavily chastised him in regards to his leading role in the gopi bhava club. Prabhupada was so angry with Tim Lee. After Tim Lee was heavily chastised by Prabhupada within a moment Tim Lee failing to see Prabhupadas chastisement as His direct mercy stormed out of Prabhupadas room and blooped never making amends with Prabhupada. The last words spoken about Tim Lee by Prabhupada were “And you said he was sincere”.
Since then Tim Lee has done nothing but spent many hours defaming Prabhupadas Transcendental Body ISKCON. He now sits on the internet day and night accusing others of all sorts of nonsense lies and has nothing substantial to add to anyone’s spiritual life. Politely speaking, he is a raving lunatic. » More here «
Puranjana Supports Defamation of Srila Prabhupada
Having seen how PADA is happy to help STOP a court case that is DEFENDING Srila Prabhupada, he is however at the same time more than happy to SUPPORT a court case that ATTACKS Srila Prabhupada. The recent Windle Turley Gurukuli lawsuit contains the following horrendous and most disgusting claim:
| “35. The founder of the institution, Prabhupada, was informed in 1972, at a time when he totally controlled the institution, that extensive physical and sexual abuse of minor ISKCON children was occurring, but he concealed the wrongdoing from the public, parents and all but a handful of close advisors.” (Windle Turley court filing) |
Further this charge is listed in section IV B as an an example of the ‘Abuse Inflicted’ along with anal sex and other horrible crimes. And what does PADA think about this great blasphemy:
| “The idea of “blaming Srila Prabhupada” has also surfaced to a nominal extent in this complaint, but it is not at all to the degree that many so-called “big devotees” blame him.” (Puranjana: 14 June 2000 16:53) |
If PADA is happy to minimise the charge – that Srila Prabhupada knew about all the horrible abuse that was occuring, and did nothing about it but rather hid it, and that his action is itself an example of the ‘abuse inflicted’ which therefore would make Srila Prabhupada himself guilty of abuse – as just being ‘nominal’, I wonder what nasty slander against Srila Prabhupada one would actually have to make in order for him to take it seriously!
Puranjana has not hid the fact that he is happy with the Turley Windle lawsuit:
| “So, we are repeating things sometimes because we feel that there has not yet been an appropriate response. I think the current response with the lawsuit is a good start.” (Puranjana in PADA: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:28 PM) |
So to make Srila Prabhupada the chief accessory to these horrible crimes is a ‘good start’ according to PADA. Nothing surprising there since we have seen how eager he is to implicate anyone as an accessory just to fuel his own anger, having already accused me of being an accessory to Srila Prabhupada’s murder. Thus we can see that in the above two cases, that firstly PADA is more than happy to sacrifice Srila Prabhupada being re-instated as the Guru for ISKCON so that I can be attacked, and now he is happy to sacrifice Srila Prabhupada’s reputation just so the GBC are attacked. It seems he is a confused and immoral character who will back any unsubstantiated allegation, be it against Srila Prabhupada or his Godbrothers, simply to give vent to whatever anger he happens to be feeling at that particular time.
He has tried to justify why the Gurukulis may want to blame Srila Prabhupada for their troubles, but what is HIS excuse for not defending Srila Prabhupada against this horrible blasphemy? Maybe PADA would be better off being re-named the Prabhupada DEFAMATION Association. » More here «
20 False Statements made by Tim Lee (PADA)
Below are 20 false statements (nonsense, malicious lies) out of 1000’s that Tim Lee has published on his krishna1008 blog just over the last few months. We are still waiting for him and his sidekick William Acbsp to provide any kind of evidence for these crazy accusations. Can he provide any kind of evidence for these accusations???
1: “Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad were promoting the worship of Satan as if it were the worship of Jesus”
2: “The only people who have been crying like lost little babies since 2002 over Tamal’s departure are his top disciples and / or supporters like Sanat — Prahlad — Mukunda — Janardan”
3: “The Prahlad team reports to us on a regular basis their being upset with Krishna for being such a violent person who killed their lord and master Tamal, because they miss licking the bottom of Tamal’s shoes”
4: “Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali / Nicklaus Evans want women to be beaten”
5: “Prahlad wants to take down the Prabhupadanugas, he is a GBC mole. What else?”
6: “Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad/ support Gaudiya Matha deviant acharyas program”
7: “Prahlad’s real agenda is all along, he wants to have the Vaishnavas who do not worship homosexual pedophile guru programs assassinated!”
8: “On their web site the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Bhakta das team attacks us profusely for our program of cutting off the supply line of children going to the ISKCON Auschwitz / molestation program”
9: “Prahlad is angry because we exposed the child molesting pooja and guru poisoning program, so he wants to have us killed (aka Monkey On A Stick) to punish us for exposing his REAL agenda”
10: “In fact some of the leaders of this child molester protecting and promoting group such as Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali had a web site that said these children needed to be killed, chopped up and fed to dogs”
11: “Why is Prahlad kissing the ground where the defenders of the molester messiahs program walk, ok like Bhakta das? Why is Prahlad always kissing the jackboots of the molester messiah program supporters? Now we know why, because he wants to have the devotees of Srila Prabhupada killed so the molester pooja agenda will prevail”
12: “Sanat and Mukunda are totally upset that some children even lived. These children are in part their victims, since they were supporters of the bogus gurus when all this was going on”
13: “Prahlad told us we are offenders for not promoting his anti-semite neo-nazi web site. He is a jack booter.”
14: “Prahlad actually supports the people who said we need to chop up these children, so he wants to dish out even worse karma to the victims of his program”
15: “Prahlad is now licking the jack boots of Bhakta and Radhanath, he is licking the jack boots of the leaders of the molester messiahs program”
16: “Bhakta das has also expressed his support for Radhanath, and now the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahald / Pancali team are glorifying the Bhakta das program”
17:”Bhakta das is now being forwarded as a great speaker and authority not only by the GBC’s guru groupies program, but also by the Prahlad / Sanat / Mukunda / Pancali team”
18: “They love the supporters of the child molester pooja program like Bhakta das, and they despise anyone who does not lick the boots of the pedophile messiahs program cheer leaders as their program is doing”
19: “The Prahlad group attacks even children never mind others. And some of the children Prahlad attacked had to leave FB and close their page, because Prahald’s campaign against these children was making them physically sick. He wants to drive out the people who want to glorify Prabhupada, while claiming to be a follower of Prabhupada”
20: “We have not heard anything from Prahlad so far”
ABSOLUTE LIES FROM TIM LEE – FROM START TO FINISH!
Prahlad Das:
Tim Lee (PADA/krishna1008/Puranjana) has written many lies and accusations about me & other Prabhupadanugas for months/years on his blogs & websites, and on FB (hiding behind blocks). This ‘video conference’ was supposed to be an opportunity to respond to some of his lies & accusations and ask for evidence for any of them. Bhakta Peter had a list of questions for Tim but he did not even present any of them to Tim or ask him for proof of the 20 accusations i provided (even though the video starts with Tim saying “So, go ahead, fire away with the first question, i’m ready”). Peter just gives him more opportunities to speak the same, tired old nonsense about killing children, etc.
FOR THE 100TH TIME!..
NOBODY (Sanat/Mukunda/Prahlad/Pancali/etc.) EVER WROTE TO KILL CHILDREN, ETC! THEY ONLY SAID: PLEASE DON’T BLAME SRILA PRABHUPADA FOR THE ABUSES COMMITTED BY THE BOGUS GURUS, GBC & THEIR FOLLOWERS!
Tim’s entire argument is totally worthless because it is based entirely on LIES about Sanat’s “children need to be killed, chopped up & fed to dogs” letter & now “bloodbath of children in Dallas” (new lie!) letter. Tim says these letters are all over the place (in, NYT) but he has never show them in 15+ years, although many have asked him. (For the actual letter Sanat wrote see comment below*).
It was actually Tim Lee, Pratyatosa & Nori Muster who started the lawsuit in 1997. Tim admits this himself in Peter’s previous video with him: http://youtu.be/mLWWcK5P94U
Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA1008): I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER THE WINDLE-TURLEY LAWSUIT FOR CHILD-MOLESTATION BECAUSE THE CHILDREN WERE COMITTING SUICIDE.. 97 IS WHEN I STARTED PUTTING IT TOGETHER, BUT IN WASN’T FILED UNTIL 99.. WE WERE PUTTING THE CASE TOGETHER. IN 97 WE WERE JUST GETTING THE AFFIDAVIDS AND THE TESTIMONY, YOU KNOW. WE WERE PUTTING THE CASE TOGETHER..
And it was these three (Tim Lee, Pratyatosa & Nori Muster) along with the GBC who covinced the then-adult, ex-gurukulis to put the blame on Prabhupada. This is the fact that Tim is so desperate to hide, so he is now saying that it was the children, their parents, Windle-Turley (and even Sanat & Mukunda) who were responsible for blaming Prabhupada. “They were also telling the children that this is what Prabhupada wants”. Anyway, Tim Lee supported the lawsuit and made an official statement to the court stating that he did, so he was happy to blame Prabhupada. Here are some more lies Tim tells in the video:
Tim LIE: “Sanat was worshipping Satsvarupa”
<As far as I know, Sanat was initiated by Satsvarupa in the 1980’s but totally rejected, and strongly exposed him after he seen Prabhupada’s July 9th ‘ritvik’ order letter I late 1980’s. There is video of Sanat burning Satsvarupa’s ‘Prabhupada-Lilamrita’ online.>
Tim LIE: “Mukunda was worshipping Bhagavan”
<Mukunda has never worshiped Bhagavan or taken initiation from any bogus “guru”. He took ritvik initiation from Kapindra Swami in early 1990s. By the way, I have never worked with Sanat ever, or even communicated with him and I am not working with Mukunda either since our Prabhupada bullock-cart chanting programs in Vrindavan in 2007-2009. I did not even know Mukunda at the time of the Turley Gurukuli-abuse lawsuit. Tim always links his perceived ‘enemies’ together as “they”, “them”, “folks”, “team” or “group” and attributes his lies about one person to everyone. Neither Mukunda nor Sanat are involved in any active dispute with Tim for many years now, despite his lies to the contrary. They gave up on him as a hopeless case years ago. Anyway, on with a few more of Tim’s LIES.>
Tim LIE: “In 1999 they were saying that these kids have to die”
<All these ‘kids’/’children’ were actually 30-something adults at the time of the lawsuit in 1999 and as i keep saying, NOBODY ever said that “they had to die, etc”>
Tim LIE: “Prahlad keeps saying i’m lying. I haven’t lied about anything”
<Tim has lied about EVERYTHING! I presented 20 (of 100’s) of Tim’s accusations against me and other Prabhupadanugas for him to prove, but Peter did not even bother to present any of them to Tim as he said he would. I thought this was the whole purpose of the ‘video conference’. Not just ANOTHER platform for Tim to spread his malicious LIES, and for Peter to AGREE with him!>
Tim LIE: “Mukunda does not want original books”
<Such a blatant lie. Mukunda was the first ‘ritvik’ to re-print & distribute Prabhupada’s original books, financed by his own money! He is still selling these on his online store:> http://www.gokula-incense.co.uk/wholesale-books-77-c.asp
Tim LIE: “I’m saying Prabhupada is being poisoned and Mukunda is saying i’m a liar”
<Mukunda has been exposing the ‘poison-issue’ since the start:> http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/sp_poisoned/sp_poisoned.htm
Tim LIE: “They wanted Tamal to live”
<“They” again!. Well I was happy to hear of Tamal’s death. As were Mukunda & Sanat. Tamal was one of Prabhupada’s poisoners (along with Jayapataka, Bhavananda & others).>
Tim LIE: “They are working with Bhakta Das”
Tim LIE :”Bhakta Das is Prahlad’s right-hand man, etc.”
<Simply not true. See http://padaproblems.blogspot.in/2014/01/bhakta-dasa-missing-link.html>
Tim LIE: “They attack and go after my family, children, etc.”
<This is not true either. Another new LIE. I am getting sickened by all these lies, so I will end here.>
Peter: “I still think a lot of things are misunderstandings”
<There are ONLY lies and deliberate mis-understandings from Tim, as always.>
Peter: “I would encourage you to make more YouTube videos.” !?
<More videos = more lies>
So, Peter has (no doubt, unintentionally?) done very nice seva for Tim’s ‘Anti-Prabhupadanuga’ program of lies by making this video with him. I don’t understand why he didn’t ask Tim ANY of my questions.
Never mind, at least Tim admits that he regularly sends the “FBI, Police, Media” etc. to harrass and disrupt the preaching of other Prabhupadanuga’s such as Sanat & Mukunda.
~ Prahlad Das ~
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MY STILL UN-ANSWERED INITIAL QUESTIONS:
Bhakta Peter: “OK i will have a skype conference with Tim lee tomorrow. If anybody has any questions type them here.”
Prahlad Das: Here are my questions for Tim Lee:
Q1: Why do you have me, Janardan & others blocked on FB for months? We could have discussed here any time.
<We have actually discussed on FB in the past with Tim & his side-kick William Acbsp but he deletes all his comments when his lies and ranting start to become too obvious. I & others have also posted comments on his blog articles MANY times. He did not publish ANY of them so I gave up. Though he does often comment on his own articles pretending to be another person!>
Q2: Please provide these “child-chopping” letters that you are obsessed about.
Q3: Why has he been BLATANTLY LYING about me and other Prabhupadanugas again & again, year after year on his blog, FB, etc.?
<No more questions for now because I know he will just LIE about the first three (and everything else!) anyway.>
People Against Devotee Association (PADA)
URDHVA KETU DAS: Many feel that PADA has rendered a real service to the devotees, keeping them aware that something is rotten in Denmark, and in the GBC. The problem with a watchdog group is that they generally consist of dogs sniffing other dogs. A watchdog-or any dog-always sniffs the same place. Whether you introduce a dog to a king or a queen, where the dog sniffs is predictable, because a dog is just a dog. In Sanskrit, the word paad means “feet”. But in Hindi, the word pada means “fart.” So running a watchdog group can mean becoming an expert in farts.
Some say PADA stands for “People Against Devotee Association.” Run by a perennial malcontent named Puranjana das, or Timothy Lee, he is a man with his own past and questionable future. Puranjana’s olfactory PADA is a one-man show that is seen by some to be a purificatory force in Krishna consciousness. However, when did Srila Prabhupada devote 100% of his time to fault-finding? Of course, faults will always be there and they must be recognized and checked-starting with our own-but as devotees we have other activities as well, like chanting and preaching the purifying glories of the holy name: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
I wish all the PADAphiles well in their quest to purify ISKCON. As any redneck will tell you, there are any number of varieties of flatulence and analyzing their differences, while an unusual science to be sure, leads to predictable and insatiable results. One should eliminate the gases in one’s own intestines before swimming worm-like in the digestive systems of others. Fault-finding for the sake of fault-finding does not lead to Krishna consciousness.
PURANJANA DAS EXPOSED BY BIF
Tim Lee uses his so-called “forum” to spread hatred, lies, and increases ill-will among those on whose good will he desperately depends. Now, his rantings have produced a wave of sincere devotees coming forward to expose his insane bullying and hypocricy. His postings have recently attacked Sanat das for having applied for SSI.
WHAT HE DOES NOT MENTION IS THAT HE HIMSELF HAS BEEN LIVING OFF THE SSI OF HELPLESS WOMEN FOR YEARS, WHILE DRAWING PUBLIC WELLFARE FOR HIMSELF! Theoretically, his wellfare checks were for the support of his two children (Who are both ashamed to admit that he is their father).
Instead of feeding and clothing his children (as required by law, what to speak of common decency) HE HAD TO FLEE UKIAH CALIFORNIA because the Wellfare department had issued citations against him for forcing his children to live in sub-human conditions that even THEIR LOW STANDARDS COULD NOT TOLLERATE!
As of this writing, Tim Lee (aka Puranjana) IS LIVING OFF THE SSI CHECKS OF HIS CURRENT GIRLFRIEND! While he goes on and on about OTHER persons children, and OTHER person’s wives, HE TAKES THE CHECKS OF A WOMAN DYING OF COLON CANCER TO KEEP A ROOF OVER HIS HEAD! Does he MARRY her?…does he care about her?…This rotten to the core mysogenist was seen crying when he thought that she was dying!….Sounds good?…Nice guy?….HE WAS CRYING BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO HIM IF THE SSI CHECKS STOPPED! ….HER SSI checks! (Not his).
So what ELSE did he do in Ukiah?…..His drug addicted crippled wife’s checks and the welfare checks that he got for his children but obviously spent on himself were not enough for him….SO HE GETS A JOB DELIVERING PEPPERONI PIZZAS TO GIVE HIMSELF A MORE “MEATTY” PAYCHECK!
So he gets a babysitter named “Kirti” (initiated by the Rohini Kumar homosexual sampradaya) to look out for the “little girl” that he claims to “care so much about” She is like a family member in that sick drug infested household. She also has a boyfriend named Ron who likes to touch little girls…..(Figure the rest out yourself!) so Ron goes to jail while Tim Lee is off doing his REALLY IMPORTANT service to (whomever he serves…..Jesus?) and lets the bi-polar deeply mentally disturbed Kirti take care of his children…..(Duh!)
So, Ron gets out of jail, and is back with his nutcase babysitter girlfriend Kirti, and GUESS WHERE THEY ARE WELCOME TO VISIT WHENEVER THEY LIKE….. The filthy apartment of Tim Lee (aka Puranjana)!
And when Kirti and Ron go to live in Berkeley….TIM LEE GOES THERE TOO!….Wouldn’t you think that with a molested child that he would CLOSE HIS DOOR TO FURTHER CONTACT WITH THAT MOLESTOR?….Wouldn’t you think that he would not even want to be in the same CITY as the MOLESTOR?….NOPE!..not Tim Lee, who needs all the help he can get so that he can publish the PADA FILES so as to save Iskcon’s children from molestation while his baby sitter and her boyfriend are welcome guests in his house!….GO FIGURE!
So now he and his children and his cirppled drug addicted wife are now living in a tiny and not-so-clean little RV parked in the Berkeley temple Parking lot. (He and his daughter sleep in the same bed, as there is no where else for her to sleep). So now he is so busy publishing and printing the PADA FILES that he has not time to care for his SON who is left to endlessly wander hopelessly around the Berkeley temple without parental supervison like an orphan.
GUESS WHAT?…..Comes a crazed pedophile and “picks up” on neglected and abused child of Puranjan #2!….What does Tim Lee do?…..WHY NOTHING OF COURSE…..He does’nt even know (or care) where his son is anyway!
…. his only OTHER child is molested1
HE EATS THEIR WELLFARE MONEY, AND LETS THEM BEG IN THE STREETS OF NEW DWARKA FOR FOOD! (We have personally seen this) He is WANTED BY THE LEGAL AUTHORITIES FOR KEEPING HIS CHILDREN IN SUB-HUMAN LIVING CONDITIONS! (That is why he left Ukiah for Berkeley)
HE ALLOWED HIS CHILDREN TO BE RAISED IN A TRAILER BY HIS DRUG ADDICTED WIFE! While eating up her SSI CHECKS!
And RIGHT NOW in SANTA ROSA CALIFORNIA, he has a dying woman that he lives off of! SHE provides the roof over his head and the food stamps on his table!….AND HE DARES TO ATTACK A PROTECTOR OF COWS FOR USING MONEY FROM THE COW-KILLING SOCIETY TO FEED AND CARE FOR COWS!….Who does Tim Lee protect?
DOES HE PROTECT ANYONE ELSE BUT HIMSELF?…At the expense of either a drug addicted crippled woman, or a woman dying of colon cancer who refuses to marry? (What to speak of care for or protect?)
AT LEAST HE IS NOT A WIFE ABUSER!….He doesn’t even MARRY his victims!…It is enough for him to take the food out of their mouths while TRYING TO POSE HIMSELF AS “GOOD AS JESUS”.
So, prabu, this is only ISTALLEMENT ONE of the REAL story behind (no pun intended!) the PADA FILES!
IT IS HIGH TIME THAT THIS DELUSIONAL SICKO WAS EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE IS……A “BIG TIME” EXPLOITER OF WOMEN AND A “STEALER OF FOOD” FROM THE MOUTHS OF HIS OWN BABES!
(Of course, when writing the PADA FILES he is a BIG SUPPORTER OF WOMEN’S ISSUES!)
(The above is from an anonymouse source who asks not to be named. She knows Tim Lee QUITE WELL and swears that the above is true…..we are passing it on in confidence, as it comes from a reliable source)
Now, his crippled wife, who turned to drugs due to the abuse that he heaped on her runs away with yet ANOTHER lover, and leaves him all alone
P.S. Even crack addicts are allowed to keep their children in their homes, which are typically squalid…..JUST IMAGINE HOW DISGUSTING TIM LEE’S PLACE MUST HAVE BEEN IF HE WAS SUBJECT TO BEING ARRESTED FOR KEEPING HIS DAUGHTER IN A FILTHY UNWHOLSESOME ENVIRONMENT!…This means a dangerous slum environment WORSE THAN THAT OF WINOS, DRUG ADDICTS ETC!…He was subject to ARREST!
And just in case you think this is an isolated case of exposure, we are re-presenting videos done by others with whom this petty criminal/cultist/abuser was closely associated… These are only taken excerpts from the posting. For those who can bear it, here is the total Tim Lee sludge saga link. » More here «
http://prabhupada.org.uk/sanat/kick29.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6YD-k2Nt8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qqWyGt6h6o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syABOUnL4aY
A devotee may be tolerant regarding his own interests, but he should not be tolerant when there is misbehavior toward the Lord or the Lord’s devotee.
(SB 3.20.2 purport)
*** Article is continued in Part II. ***
Please see also: Is Puranjana (Tim Lee) a liar, fabricator, paranoid schizophrenic type person?.
Please see also: One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest (starring Tim Lee / PADA / Puranjana).
Hare Krishna prabhus
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
And this TIM Lee is online spokes man of Madhu Pandit and bites anybody and everybody who speaks against Bangalore.
Yours
Bhakta John
This is not the kind of spiritual journalism that I hope for when turning to “Prabhupada News.” Please rethink your editorial policy before publishing below-the-belt personal attacks. There are always two sides to every story.
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
-R. Buckminster Fuller
This Anti Puranjan article is based on HATE. There are TWO sides to a coin.
Madhya 5.90 The Activities of Saksi-gopala
A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities.”
Bhakta das(Thiland) is an ANTI RITVIK SUPPORTS THE BOGUS ISKCON POISON GIVER CLUB
Bhakti Ananda “Goswami” is ANT RITVIK
Urdhava Ketu is ANTI RITVIK
BIF (Sakis Gopal -Australia) he is ANTI RITVIK has teamed-up with Nitai das (Srila Prabhupada threw him out early days) to blaspheme Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura over the internet.
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Puranjana has in the past supported in writing and EXPOSING the bogus gurus In late 1980’s to 1990s I received lots of papers from him like the “Betrayal” which was distributed ALL OVER THE WORLD.
EVEN accepting his faults – HE STILL SUPPORTS SRILA PRABHUPADA -AND- EXPOSES THE BOGUS ANTI RITVIK SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING BUNCH OF CROOKS SO CALLED DIKSA GURUS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS.
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/mahesh-raja-distributing-pada-papers-in.html
LW says as quoted ; “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
-R. Buckminster Fuller
This is exactly a demoniac mentality.
I find that Puranjana das Prabhu has contributed a lot to uphold Srila Prabhupada’s mission by bringing out the FACTS to the Public with regard to the management of present Iskcon.
His contribution is indeed admirable.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
PURANJANA NEWS SITE.
Yes, there are two sides and this article is the side of the PADA coin everyone needs to see. Now he has exposed himself to a whole new audience. His ranting and ramblings know no bounds. now all the veiwers of this web now know the history of this maniac. PADA is a one trick pony. His one trick is if you ever disagree with him, he tries to link you to the GBC and the “molester messiahs” and claims you are trying to have him killed. He has been singing this song for 30 years and when no listens to him, he gets furious and claims to contact law enforcement. Good Job exposing this lunatic.
Hare Krishna Mahesh prabhu.
Please accept my obeisances. All glories to our eternal Acharya Srila Prabhupada.
You have known me for how long? 20+ years? We have even taken Prasad together at your home on a few occasions. So you know me, and you know for a fact that Tim Lee has written 100’s of lies about me (and other ‘ritviks’) on his krishna1008 blog which you are a reader of (and contributor to) over many years.
Tim just takes all the credit for the information Sulocana sacrificed his life for. His #1 mantra is “me and Sulocana. His ‘The Betrayal’ and other info was just a re-write of Slocana’s ‘Guru Business’. You have also seen how Tim takes credit for the work of other pioneering ‘ritvik’ Prabhupadanugas such as Sanat, Mukunda, Krishnakant, to name a few. But he then spends year after year demonising those very same devotees on his blogs and many other online sources. I know you are not a fool prabhu, but how can’t you see this? He (and his friends at “FBI, Police, Media, Interpol”, etc.) have been vehemently “owning the narrative” (regarding iskCON & Srila Prabhupada since Sulocana’s murder. (which some believe that Tim may actually have been involved in). He sold his soul many years ago when he did not object to Prabhupada being blamed for the Gurukuli abuse in his, Pratyatosa’s & Nori Muster’s Windle-Turley court case. He is a sick-person. I personally do not even believe that he is a devotee at all.
Anyway, when Tim Lee started focusing his continuing HATE CAMPAIGN on me (when I questioned IB’s rock band kirtans) a year or so ago we spoke at length about this on the phone. You admitted to me then that you knew he was lying (and even using your name to back up his lies), but that you did not want to get involved because he may also start attacking you online.
Tim Lee’s “seva” is to catch the escaped victims of iskCON GBC/”gurus” and herd them into iskCON (Monsanto) Bangalore to participate in their deviations, various lucrative business enterprises and child-poisoning programs (which they do in Prabhupada’s name). There are no other options as far as Tim and his masters at IB/AP are concerned. HKC have a recording of senior AP Jaipur devotee saying that the only bona-fide ‘ritviks’/Prabhupadanugas are those who accept the authority of Madhu Pandit and IB GBC. Even over and above the authority of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions it seems, as we have seen from the recent ‘IB deviations’ articles on this website and elsewhere.
As far as I’m concerned Tim Lee and his ‘disciples’ like William Acbsp should be exposed for what they are and then completely neglected by the ‘ritvik’ worldwide community. As should IB/AP Corporation. Perhaps then there may be a chance of real unity amongst all sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada and actual progress in carrying on his and Lord Chaitanya’s mission?
Your servant in Prabhupada’s service,
Bhakta Paul (Prahlad Das)
SORRY,YOU MAY
BE BUSY,BUT I’LL WAIT AS LONG AS IT TAKES,FOR MODERATION.
Mahesh Raja ,
Please accept my obeisances all glories to Srila prabhupada.
I believe we have mutual friends, Kamsahanta das from UK. He has always had nice things to say about you and I even have publicly sided with you in several email (cc) exchanges. Other than this I do not know you so well… unfortunately I am a bit bemused at your recent support of Tim Lee.
I would like to give you an account of what Kamsahanta told me regarding his personal experience with Puranjana *Tim Lee.
Kamsahanta and a small group of devotees had all just sat through a class in which Jayatirtha swami had given the Bhagavatam class high on LSD/ACID. Obviously disturbed by this, a small group of devotees including Puranjana all agreed that Kamsahanta was to be the one nominated to inform the GBC of Jayatirtha’s Bhagavatam acid class, and that Kamsahanta would take the brunt of any consequences for doing such. Kamsahanta approached the GBC and recommended they take Jayatirtha from his guru position.TIM LEE TAKES FULL CREDIT FOR THIS TO THIS DAY! when Kamsahanta read that Tim Lee took credit for this act, he just shook his head and couldn’t believe how much of a blatant liar Tim Lee was.
There are many many many more instances in which Tim lee has been caught taking credit for things he had no part in… He uses Sulochana’s good name as a blanket for support among the ritviks, unfortunately Sulochana cannot refute anything he says for reasons obvious, which is very convenient for Tim Lee. Puranjana has built his “knight in shining armor” status with blatant lies and distortions to make him appear as some sort of founding father of Ritvikism, this can all be refuted and tested if you simply speak with Kamsahanta or any other actual founding fathers of Ritvikism. The problem is that most people are blind followers who accept what any rascal says as truth #1 . I hope you do not fit into this category Mahesh Raja prabhu.
We look forward to your honest response. Thank you.
-Sincerely
janardana das
Prahlad Das:His ‘The Betrayal’ and other info was just a re-write of Slocana’s ‘Guru Business’.
Mahesh: BUT the FACT remains it was EFFECTIVE and he did DO IT. Sulocana had already passed AWAY. Guru Business was DIFFERENT from Betrayal. You can NOT deny it. In your HATE for Puranjana you want to JUSTIFY it.
Janardana: The problem is that most people are blind followers who accept what any rascal says as truth #1 . I hope you do not fit into this category Mahesh Raja prabhu.
Mahesh: I JUST FOLLOW SRILA PRABHUPADA. HOWEVER, I DO give credit where it is DUE. For instance I reject Hridayananda dasa on HOW he manipulated Srimad Bhagavatam:
The Case for Blind Uttama Adhikaris
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-10/editorials6158.htm
BUT having said that I ALSO have to give CREDIT to the SAME Hridayananda dasa who was BRILLIANT when he was with Srila Prabhupada translating SPANISH in this conversation (you have to hear MP3):
750214BG.MEX Lectures
Hrdayananda: (translating question) He says if we practice Krsna consciousness and develop a spiritual body, is there also a… Which spirit animates the spiritual body?
Prabhupada: Yes, we’ll get spiritual body. Spiritual body is already there; it is simply covered by material body. You have to cure this material body. Then you get your original, spiritual body. It is curing process. Just like one has got fever. Fever is not permanent–temporary. But cure this fever; then you healthy.
Hrdayananda: (translating) She’s saying that you were saying how one can take birth as a dog even, so she’s wondering how long does this go on. How many births does one take like this?
Prabhupada: As long as you are unable to go back to home, back to Godhead, you have to change this body, either dog or this or that or this. And there are 8,400,000 forms of body. You have to accept one of them. Now you make your decision whether you are ready to accept all these different types of body or you get original, spiritual body. In the spiritual body there is no more birth, death, old age and disease, and the material body continuously there should be birth, death, old age and disease. You can get that spiritual body simply by little cultivation in this human form of life, next life. But if you get next other than human form of life, then you have to wait again millions of years to come to this human form of life. After all, we are under the stringent laws of nature. You… We are…, every one of us, we are under the grip of the laws of material nature. It will go on. You cannot change it unless you come to Krsna consciousness.
Hrdayananda: (translating) He wants to know if our reincarnations are progressive or regressive.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is progressive or degressive also.
Hrdayananda: (translating) Why would we take birth as an animal?
Prabhupada: Because you act like animal.
Hrdayananda: (translating) He says that in school in the material world, if one behaves badly, he has to stay where he is; he cannot progress. But he does not go back. So why…?
Prabhupada: No, sometimes he is given the down class. Sometimes he is degraded: “Go to the down class.” Yes. That is quite natural. (laughter) Eh? Down? So any question?
Hrdayananda: (translating) He says he doesn’t believe that one can go back.
Prabhupada: He may not believe in the law, but law is law. If somebody says “I can commit some criminal act, but I don’t believe in the court’s judgement,” will it be accep…? You believe or not believe; the law will act. Just like if you infect some disease, infectious disease, if you contaminate, then you must develop that disease. That is the law. So we are contaminating ourself with different laws of material nature, and according to that law, we have to accept the body. The material laws are not under your control; you are under the control of material laws.
Hrdayananda: (translating) If also on other planets one has to continue changing bodies?
Prabhupada: Yes, the planets… There are different planets means different facilities of material convenience.
Hrdayananda: (translating) Who is in charge of giving us our next body?
Prabhupada: God. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese ‘rjuna tisthati. God, in His Supersoul feature, He is situated in everyone’s heart and he is seeing all our activities, and he is awarding the different kind of bodies. You can… If you like, you can find out this verse,
isvarah sarva-bhutanam
hrd-dese ‘rjuna tisthati
bhramayan sarva-bhutani
yantrarudhani mayaya
You can explain this. Find out. (Hrdayananda reads translations in Spanish) Purport? (Hrdayananda reads purport in Spanish) So we have to accept that we are fully under control. If childishly we say that we are independent, that is foolishness.
Hrdayananda: (translating) He wants to know if the senses, the material senses we now have, originally belong to the soul which has been covered by the material body.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just like a man is in a normal condition, but if he becomes mad, the same senses are there, but he’s in abnormal condition. So when we are in this material world we using our senses in abnormal way. So when we cure the senses, we get into normal condition. That is spiritual life. So sarvopadhi-vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam. We have to give up all these designation of life and we have to become purified. Then we come to our normal condition.
Hrdayananda: (translating) He wants to know what are the characteristics of a person who has realized that he is not this body.
Prabhupada: Yes, he is engaged in Krsna consciousness. He doesn’t know anything but Krsna. That is normal condi… (break) Thank you very much.
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Note: Personally – I just do NOT bother reading ALL the HATE between Puranjana and others I just SKIM thru and see if any PHILOSOPHY is there. So—– if you lot AND Puranjana have HATE for EACH OTHER — up to you. BE VERY HAPPY! ENJOY YOUR MODE OF PASSION. It does not bother me because I do NOT read the hate stuff – anyway FROM EITHER SIDE. It is just constant RAMBLING ON AND ON AND ON about HOW you HATE each other. What a TOTAL WASTE of time!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu, I think you have got it all wrong. If speaking the truth is termed as “HATE” then so many of your own writings are filled with “HATE”. I have read Prahlad’s writing and he is speaking truth right from the teachings of Srila PRabhupada whom you are claiming you follow. Tim Lee’s writings are filled with hate and illogical nonsense even against the sincere Prabhupadanugas and when somebody like Prahlad is exposing him you are calling it “HATE”.
Also, Prabhu you are writing so much against GMO food. In your own words “GMO is VERY VERY Dangerous” and I have noticed that even after reading all the proofs of Madhu Pandit’s link with Monsanto you have not written a single strong comment against Madhu Pandit and Akshay Patra.
Please think it over, is it due to long term praising and association with these “devotees” that you are not able to see the obvious truth. If you still keep being biased, you will loose all good sense of discrimination. Srila Prabhupada says in B.G chapter one that even great personalities like Bhismadev and Dronacharya became obliged to take sides of the Kauravas simply on financial considerations. Srila Prabhupada says that Bhishmadev thought that Duryodhan and company has maintained me for so long time, now how can I go against them. But that was a wrong consideration.
Similarly it looks like since you you praised and sided with Tim Lee and Madhu Pandit for a long time, it is becoming difficult for you to speak against them even after knowing that they have gone so much against the teachings of Srila PRabhupada that what to speak of being a devotee they have even lost all sense of morality. Or is it because you are afraid that Tim Lee may start writing against you if you go against him as Prahald has written above :
“Anyway, when Tim Lee started focusing his continuing HATE CAMPAIGN on me (when I questioned IB’s rock band kirtans) a year or so ago we spoke at length about this on the phone. You admitted to me then that you knew he was lying (and even using your name to back up his lies), but that you did not want to get involved because he may also start attacking you online.”
yours,
Bhakta John.
Dear readers.
Mahesh Raja is making a valid point here, which in no way dismisses the objections made by many that this personality Puranjana Das has probably become the victim of his own mind. Mahesh Raja has no doubt some appreciation of the service to Srila Prabhupada that Puranjana has performed in the past and doesn’t want to castigate an old friend simply because he has suffered some mental trauma because of the murder of his friend Sulochana Das (amongst others).
In cases where personalities become fearful, or paranoid about reprisals that they may suffer (either perceived or real) their delusions or ‘philosophical irregularities’ should not be taken very seriously (in light of their deteriorating mental state) as this detracts from more important issues. I am not trying to take sides but ISKCON TRUTH should just be ignored as they are not really representing Srila Prabhupada anyway as they have a ‘distorted agenda’ arising from the fact they are blindly following the Genocidal Eugenic policies of Madhu Pandit and his pals at Monsanto (Bill “Kill” Gates and Bill “I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!” Clinton. There are probably many who are involved with this scandalous conspiracy with Monsanto and I would encourage everyone to ‘dig a little deeper’ as the Internet has a wealth of information at our fingertips regarding the murderous, grubby, corrupt and demonic Multinational Corporations and their Political ”paid off” Flunky’s all in the name of “PHILANTHROPY” engaging in a long history of murderous, corrupt and deceptive practices.
This is nether Philanthropy nor is it Karma Kanda or “Fruitive Activities”. This is Ugra Karma. This is EUGENICS AND MASS EXTERMINATION OF THE THIRD WORLD POPULATION. Type in Bayer Corporation (Monsanto’s GMO Agribusiness partner) and Aids Virus and see what you get. We should not lose sight of the big picture here as vunerable children are beying mamed, poisoned and killed in the name of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna Consciousness under the PRETENSE OF PHILANTHROPY.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Mahesh is in denial. He says its two people hating each other. not at all. Its a crazy person rambling on about everyone and anyone that disagrees with him. He has a long list of imaginary enemies, “Prahlad/Bhakta das/Sanat/Mukunda/NNVD/IRM/Pancali/HKC Jaipur/ “insert next enemy name here”
This is about the exposure of a madman posing as a devotee who continues to lie, smear, and slander anyone who disagrees with him.
Dear Mahesh Raj.
Bhakta John (Netherland) also has valid point regarding your ‘going a bit soft’ on Madhu Pandit due to having been an avid supporter in the past. Perhaps it is because you don’t really want to do a ‘back-flip’ which would in the eyes of others, reveal that you have yourself been ‘duped’, beying a poor judge of character due to the influence of Maya. You have at least two choices here. One would be to admit that you have misread the situation and modus operandi of Madhu Pandit and have been deceived or you could repeat what you have formally stated which in essence is that we all have things that we have done which are ‘right’ and other things that we have done ‘wrong’ so should be ‘praised’ or ‘condemned’ accordingly.
My view on the second choice is that even though the most evil of person Adolf Hitler did some “good” things like ‘keeping the trains running on time’ and building ‘autobahns’ (If you consider that good) and also fully compensating ‘German bomb victims’, he was still a “son of a bitch” and needed to be ” attacked, neutralised and eliminated”
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Ananny Mouse:Mahesh is in denial. He says its two people hating each other
Mahesh: I did NOT say ONLY two people hating each other. YOU are group from HKS attachment you hate Puranjana AND he hates you people. This are the FACTS. Aside from that, to bolster your numbers Prahlad is ALSO writing under the name of “Ananny Mouse” he HIMSELF told me so.
Bhakta John (Netherland):Also, Prabhu you are writing so much against GMO food. In your own words “GMO is VERY VERY Dangerous” and I have noticed that even after reading all the proofs of Madhu Pandit’s link with Monsanto you have not written a single strong comment against Madhu Pandit and Akshay Patra.
Mahesh: John Prabhu, like Prahlad you are ALSO from HKS camp Jaipur so why do you want me to write something that pleases YOUR camp only? What’s there “strong” to write? Just use your own common-sense. The evidence is VERY CLEAR if AP PERSIST on using GM foods there will be VERY VERY VERY bad karmic reaction. They are NOT giving Prasadam: they are SECULAR. That means on karma kanda platform AND if the internal organs of the children they give GM foods are damaged then in their NEXT lives they will have to SUFFER the resultant CONSEQUENCES. THIS is what KARMA KAND activity IS. Often the GM “donors” DUPE the NGO like AP into believing there have been 2 years of tests for the GM yellow rice etc in Philippines(SEE INTERNET HOW THEY BLUFF). So it is “safe” in their “scientific” opinion. THIS is ABSOLUTE MADNESS. It is NOT safe AT ALL. Some diseases take TIME to set in and the OVERALL damage to the health is FAR WORSE in the LONG RUN:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html
I DID provide ENOUGH evidence from Srila Prabhupada: ALSO if it is NOT Prasadam THEN it is KARMA KANDA(FRUITIVE ACTS) this MEANS one HAS TO suffer the THE CONSEQUENCES IN TRANSMIGRATING IN VARIOUS SPECIES OF LIFE See the example of King Nrga. And this is not “strong comment”? ARE YOU FOR REAL? Strong for WHAT? to please Jaipur HKS FOLKS ONLY?
Note: Charity UNLESS performed FOR Krsna ONLY it is BINDING to the three modes of nature goodness(sattva guna) Rajo guna(passion) and Ignorance ( tamo guna) and one MUST get another MATERIAL body to SUFFER the effects:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
HOW THE DEMIGOD HAD BEEN OBLIGED TO ACCEPT THE BODY OF A LIZARD was not a secret to Lord Krsna, but still, for others’ information, the Lord inquired, “My dear fortunate demigod, now I see that your body is so beautiful and lustrous. Who are you? We can guess that you are one of the best demigods in the heavenly planets. All good fortune to you. I think that you are not meant to be in this situation. It must be due to the results of your past activities that you have been put into the species of lizard life. Still, I want to hear from you how you were put in this position. If you think that you can disclose this secret, then please tell us your identity.”
ACTUALLY THIS LARGE LIZARD WAS KING NRGA, and when he was questioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead he immediately bowed down before the Lord, touching to the ground the helmet on his head, which was as dazzling as the sunshine. In this way, he first of all offered his respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Lord. He then said, “My dear Lord, I am the son of King Iksvaku, and am King Nrga. If you have ever taken account of all charitably disposed men, I am sure You must have heard my name. My Lord, You are the witness. You are aware of every bit of work done by the living entities–past, present and future. Nothing can be hidden from Your eternal cognizance. Still, You have ordered me to explain my history, and I shall therefore narrate the full story.”
KING NRGA PROCEEDED TO NARRATE THE HISTORY OF HIS DEGRADATION, CAUSED BY HIS KARMA-KANDA ACTIVITIES. HE WAS VERY CHARITABLY DISPOSED AND HAD GIVEN AWAY SO MANY COWS THAT HE SAID THE NUMBER WAS EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF DUST ON THE EARTH, THE STARS IN THE SKY AND THE RAINFALL. According to the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies, a man who is charitably disposed is commanded to give cows to the brahmanas. From King Nrga’s statement, it appears that he followed this principle earnestly; HOWEVER, AS A RESULT OF A SLIGHT DISCREPANCY IN HIS ACTION, HE WAS FORCED TO TAKE BIRTH AS A LIZARD. Therefore it is recommended by the Lord in the Bhagavad-gita that one who is charitably disposed and desires to derive the benefit of his charity should offer his gifts to please Krsna. To give in charity means to perform pious activities. As a result of pious activities one may be elevated to the higher planetary systems; BUT PROMOTION TO THE HEAVENLY PLANETS IS NO GUARANTEE THAT ONE WILL NEVER FALL DOWN. Rather, from the example of King Nrga, it is definitely proved that fruitive activities, even if they are very pious, cannot give us eternal blissful life. AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA, THE RESULT OF WORK, EITHER PIOUS OR IMPIOUS, IS SURE TO BIND A MAN UNLESS IT IS DISCHARGED AS YAJNA ON BEHALF OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.
Note: Karma kanda(FRUITIVE ACTS) of distributing GM FOOD and consequences:
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.1.43
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Los Angeles, July 24, 1975
Nitai: “The candidates for punishment are those who are confirmed by these many witnesses to have deviated from the prescribed regulative duties. EVERYONE ENGAGED IN FRUITIVE ACTIVITIES IS SUITABLE TO BE SUBJECTED TO PUNISHMENT ACCORDING TO HIS DIFFERENT SINFUL ACTIVITIES.”
Prabhupāda:
etair adharmo vijñātaḥ
sthānaṁ daṇḍasya yujyate
sarve karmānurodhena
daṇḍam arhanti kāriṇaḥ
[SB 6.1.43]
So we have discussed about the witnesses last, yesterday. You cannot conceal anything from the eyes of God. That is not possible. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, sarvato pāṇi-pādas tam. God has His eyes, heads, legs, hands everywhere. Therefore He is all-pervasive. So just like government has got vigilance: you are running on the road; there is vigilance. Similarly, everyone within this material world, either in this planet or lower planetary system or higher planetary system, they aredaṇḍam arhanti.
EVERYONE IS DESERVING TO BE PUNISHED, BEGINNING FROM LORD BRAHMĀ DOWN TO THE ANT, EVERY LIVING ENTITY. DAṆḌAM ARHANTI. AND THE FINAL DAṆḌAM… DAṆḌA MEANS PUNISHMENT. THE FINAL DAṆḌA IS DEATH. EVERYWHERE, ANYWHERE YOU GO WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, PLANETARY SYSTEM…ŪRDHVAṀ GACCHANTI SATTVA-STHĀḤ: “THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MODES OF GOODNESS, THEY ARE ELEVATED TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEM.” ANDMADHYE TIṢṬHANTI RĀJASĀḤ: “THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE SPELL OF PASSION, THEY KEEP WITHIN THE MIDDLE PLANETARY SYSTEM.” AND THOSE WHO ARE MOST ABOMINABLE, THEY ARE GIVEN TO THE LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEM. Ūrdhvaṁgacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ, jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthāḥ [Bg. 14.18]. Jaghanya means very abominable guṇa, in the darkest region of ignorance. They are put into the lower planetary system, animal. And there are 8,400,000 different forms of life, and they are distributed all over the universe. Don’t think that here only there are living entities and all other planets are vacant. This is nonsense. Everywhere there is living entity. Therefore it is said in theBhagavad…, sarva-gaḥ. The living entity is everywhere. You can go anywhere. You can go to the higher planetary system, you can go to the lower planetary system, and you can go to the kingdom of God also in the spiritual world. Therefore the living entity’s another name is sarva-gaḥ. He can go anywhere. If you like, you go to hell. If you like, you go to heaven. If you like, you go to God. If you like, you become animal. If you like, you can become demigod. Everything, fully. That little independence is there.
Note: sometimes people have a PLEA that how can they become Krsna Conscious on empty stomach:
GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD.
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Nara-nārāyaṇa: There is so much mismanagement in different parts of the world that there are so many revolutions now in all parts of the world including India, Africa and even the United States. There are so many problems based on the fact that their food grains and milk supply are not being supplied nicely or distributed nicely. Now, supposing that there is a demand that there should be good management for it, how these things should be distributed properly, by what system, so that people can get these things in a way that they can become God conscious and at the same time have their…?
Prabhupāda: GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD. IT REQUIRES CULTURAL EDUCATION. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE WHO HAS GOT ENOUGH FOOD, HE IS GOD CONSCIOUS. THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION IS NOT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FOR BECOMING GOD CONSCIOUS. THAT IS WRONG PROJECT. “IF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN SUFFICIENT FOOD, THEY WILL BECOME GOD CONSCIOUS”—THAT IS NOT THE FACT. BUT PEOPLE ADVANCE THIS THEORY, THAT “WE ARE NOW ECONOMICALLY DISTRESSED. WE CANNOT TURN OUR ATTENTION TO GOD CONSCIOUSNESS.” THAT IS A WRONG PLEA. GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON ANY MATERIAL CONDITION.
Hare Krsna, dear Prabhus.
I am reading this website , and I read Mahesh Raja Prabhu’s more writings. He never uses harsh, rude and offending words.
He knows certainly that the krodha (anger) means the Rudra principle.
“…A devotee may be tolerant regarding his own interests, but he should not be tolerant when there is misbehavior toward the Lord or the Lord’s devotee. …”( SB.3.20.2.)
Sudarsana Das Vanacari :Bhakta John (Netherland) also has valid point regarding your ‘going a bit soft’ on Madhu Pandit due to having been an avid supporter in the past
Mahesh: I do not subscribe to using the language style YOU folks want me to use. If you call THAT ‘going a bit soft’ that’s ok. Be happy. I can NOT be dictated for my language use. As for to “having been an avid supporter in the past”. Why past? If Madhu Pandit is at PRESENT doing some good in the shape of his EXCELLENT Temple management skills I will accept THAT also. He has accepted the Ritvik System – that is GOOD.
Earlier on I gave the example of Hridayananda das. Here I PROVED the point that he ACTUALLY did some good in the PAST. It is ONLY NOW that he has become a DEVIANT.
So we have to see BOTH sides of the coin. BUT if you folks want to see ONLY the FAULTS in others that is YOUR business. I do NOT want to see it that way:
Adi 8.62 The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru
It is a qualification of a Vaisnava that he is adosa-darsi: he never sees others’ faults. OF COURSE, EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS BOTH GOOD QUALITIES AND FAULTS. THEREFORE IT IS SAID, SAJ-JANA GUNAM ICCHANTI DOSAM ICCHANTI PAMARAH: EVERYONE HAS A COMBINATION OF FAULTS AND GLORIES. BUT A VAISNAVA, A SOBER MAN, ACCEPTS ONLY A MAN’S GLORIES AND NOT HIS FAULTS, FOR FLIES SEEK SORES WHEREAS HONEYBEES SEEK HONEY.
Mahesh Raja says: “Prahlad is ALSO writing under the name of “Ananny Mouse” he HIMSELF told me so.”
My dear Mahesh prabhu. This is simply NOT TRUE! We have not communicated since our brief phone conversation 6 months ago. I cannot believe you are publicly writing this LIE. I never told you anything. I AM NOT writing as ‘Ananny Mouse’. I am truly shocked that you would lie like this prabhu. Hare Krishna.
Mahesh Raja
Don’t use this example of King Ngra giving away cows and because of “slight discrepancy’ taking birth as lizard! THAT IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT! and completely disproportionate to what is happening here.
This is not about “fruitive activity” This is about DEMONIC ACTIVITY. This is not about “FOOD THAT IS NOT OFFERED” This is about TOXIC POISON.
This is not about MEDICINE. This is about HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND DECEPTIVE CONSPIRACY TO PRACTICE EUGENICS AND GENOCIDE IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
This is not about KARMA KANDA This is about UGRA KARMA.
This is not about GIVING AWAY COWS BUT “HEH THERE IS SOME LITTLE DISCREPANCY” This is about KNOWINGLY CONSPIRING WITH THE WORST DEMONIC MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS THE WORLD HAS PRODUCED WHO PRODUCE TOXIC CHEMICALS USED TO TORTURE INNOCENT COWS FROM BIRTH TO SLAUGHTER.
If NGO’s have been DUPED, just as you have been DUPED. Then they should be KICKED OUT.
IF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE LEADER ARE ACTUALLY FOOLS AND RASCALS, CAUSING IRREPARABLE AND LONG TERM DAMAGE IN THE PROCESS, THEN THEY SHOULD BE EXPOSED AS DEMONS AND CROOKS.
IF PEOPLE LIKE MADHU PANDIT WHO IS CONSPICUOUS FOR SAYING NOTHING IS A FOOL THEN KICK HIM OUT OR BE QUIET. IF HE IS A FIRST CLASS DEMON THEN KICK HIM IN THE TEETH! THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Mahesh prabhu,
Please accept my obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada, our only shelter.
I am not from HKC camp, I am from the truth camp, completely non-partisan/non-biased
Tim Lee has recently stated that I am a bhakta das follower and that I am pro-GBC and some type of Radhanatha loyalist. I have never even spoke to bhakta das and I was trained up with the PSS (Prabhupada Sankirtana Society) headed by Kapindra Swami maharaja. I have been “ritvik” always, since the very beginning, NEVER have I compromised with the bogus ISKCON camps, not once. This is pure hatred and lies because he has nothing on me… so he manufactures totally bizarre accusations in his attempt to assassinate my reputation/character. He has failed miserably of course because I can defend myself with facts and truth. His blanket of lies is slowly deteriorating and his hobgoblin face is becoming exposed for the world to see.
This is pure hatred coming out of Tim Lee, how can you say we are the ones being hateful? To speak the truth is a hate crime now? We have cited proof’s of our allegations of Tim Lee, that can be proven. He has not one single shred of evidence or proof of any of his wild accusations aimed at us.
Our mission is to remove tim lee from the Prabhupadanuga community at large as he is seriously ruining the reputation/credibility of us, and Srila Prabhupupada good name more importantly.
I can accept what you said about giving credit where credit is due… Tim may have done some nice service at some point in his “devotional career” but now, currently he is on a maddened warpath and anybody who disagree’s with him on any point is subjected to character assassinations/hate rhetoric/threats of calling law enforcement etc. This is not what a devotee who represents Srila Prabhupada should behave like. We must have the intelligence to identify bad elements in a society or else we risk falling down just like ISKCON. How can you not see this Mahesh prabhu?
Tim lee represents lies, deception, hate, arrogance, false ego and everything in the mode of passion/ignorance. He does not currently represent a disciple of Srila Prabhupada in any way/shape/form.
I would recommend you to speak with Kamsahanta regarding the account I described to you in my previous post about Tim Lee’s blatant lies….and I would also recommend you disassociate yourself with Tim Lee or risk sinking further into the stool pit with him. You will also be considered a bad element in a Prabhupadanuga society if you do not adjust your understanding on Tim Lee.
Sincerely-
Janardana das
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu, I think enough evidences have been provided about your soft approach when it comes to Tim Lee , Madhu Pandit and Akshaya Patra, Please refer to the following comment given by you earlier –
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Good things by Madhu Pandit and ISKCON Bangalore:
1) He has got EXCELLENT standard of Temple worship with Srila Prabhupada as THE ONLY DIKSA GURU in ALL the Temples. With accepting the Ritvik System AS SRILA PRABHUPADA WANTED.
2) Accepts Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL unchanged books.
Bad things by Madhu Pandit and ISKCON Bangalore:
1) Aksaya Patra is SECULAR therefore NOT giving Prasadam but food some of it GM “donation” contaminated. It competes with DONATIONS with HKS Jaipur. No cooperation.
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And you are trying to brand me as belonging to HKC camp? And even if I believe you that I am in HKC camp, don’t you think that we should all make a camp of sensible devotees who are at least talking from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.
Can’t you see the simple truth that at least as of current Tim Lee is lunatic and Madhu Pandit’s association with Monsanto is demoniac of the highest degree. Where is the scope of seeing the “good” of these people at least in the current scenario? Don’t you think that highlighting the good of these people specially in the current situation will mislead more devotees? Don’t you think that you should use your good reputation to write strongly about these people so that many innocent devotees can be saved from being cheated? Please do some soul searching and then decide what to do. Like Sudarshan Prabhu has rightly pointed out –
“My view on the second choice is that even though the most evil of person Adolf Hitler did some “good” things like ‘keeping the trains running on time’ and building ‘autobahns’ (If you consider that good) and also fully compensating ‘German bomb victims’, he was still a “son of a bitch” and needed to be ” attacked, neutralised and eliminated”
yours,
Bhakta John.
Mahesh prabhu. Please do not surrender your intelligence because of false-ego. Can you tell me exactly when & how ‘I told you MYSELF that I was writing under the name of ‘Ananny Mouse”. I do not even know who this ‘Ananny Mouse’ is. And BTW the Jaipur Prabhupadanugas are HKCommunity not HKSociety.
Hare Krishna prabhu’s. Dandavats. Jaya Prabhupada.
It has been my opinion since around 2000 when Tim lee was exposed as an offender at Prabhupada’s feet that Mahesh prabhu could not see this due to his service to him [via distributing his writings “rags”]
He always tried to make this a personal thing between me and tim lee, which of course it is NOT. It is on the point of philosophy, which was discussed with Mahesh prabhu in 2000. Please see:
http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/no_dis.htm
It is always hard to admit that we have made a mistake [been cheated] by serving a cheater posing as a follower of Prabhupada. Then to save ourselves from this truth we need to created so many untruths to deny the reality. Best to face the truth. Truth is always liberating!
Love Mukunda dasa.
why must everyone be from this “camp” or that “camp?” I am not in Jaipur, nor am I with anyone. I am not with GBC or HKC, HKSor any other acronym. Just observing and asking questions that any visitor or neophyte would ask. why the divide and conquer mentality?
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu, you wrote:
“If Madhu Pandit is at PRESENT doing some good in the shape of his EXCELLENT Temple management skills I will accept THAT also.”
and earlier you wrote –
“If Madhu Pandit has ALL the temples in HIS OWN name then Srila Prabhupada says “DO NOT THINK IN THIS WAY OF BIG CORPORATION, BIG CREDITS, CENTRALIZATION–THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE PROPOSALS”
You are contradicting yourself. This is what happens when you deviate from the uncompromising approach of Srila Prabhupada. How can you say that “I ONLY FOLLOW Prabhupada”.
We all follow Prabhupada here and cannot be fooled so easily by your word jugglery. Facts are very clearly presented. Tim Lee is lunatic and he is causing bad reputation to the good name of Srila PRabhupada everywhere and all sincere Prabhupadanugas must disassociate with him before we become a laughing stock. And Madhu Pandit with his connection with Monsanto cannot even be called a normal human being what to speak of being called a devotee a ritvik etc. If we do not disassocaite with these guys then nobody will believe anything we say.
Please refer to Janardana Prabhus comment –
“I would recommend you to speak with Kamsahanta regarding the account I described to you in my previous post about Tim Lee’s blatant lies….and I would also recommend you disassociate yourself with Tim Lee or risk sinking further into the stool pit with him. You will also be considered a bad element in a Prabhupadanuga society if you do not adjust your understanding on Tim Lee.”
yours,
Bhakta John.
Please look at the following prabhu’s:
http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/bogus_pada.htm
P.A.D.A. FIRST FALSEHOOD = POSE AS THE DEFENDER OF PRABHUPADA BUT COMPROMISE WITH BLASPHEMERS WHO ARE MAKING EXTREMELY SEVERE OFFENSES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE.
SUCH OFFENSES ARE BEING PROPAGATED ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ARE BEING HEARD BY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT SOULS. PURANJANA DASA CLEARLY REVEALS THAT HE IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DESTROYING TAMAL THAN DEFENDING SRILA PRABHUPADA. THEREFORE HE IS A FIRST CLASS OFFENDER (GURU TYAGI) WHO MISLEADS OTHERS BY PRESENTING HIMSELF AS A PRABHUPADA’S DEFENDER.
P.A.D.A. SECOND FALSEHOOD TO COVER THE FIRST = PREACH THAT SUCH BLASPHEMY IS ONLY VERY NOMINAL, AND ATTACK THOSE WHO EXPOSE HIS FALSEHOOD WITH MORE FALSEHOODS, OFFENSIVE LIES AND APA – SIDDHANTIC PHILOSOPHY.
Bhakta John (Netherland):
Mahesh Raja Prabhu, you wrote:
“If Madhu Pandit is at PRESENT doing some good in the shape of his EXCELLENT Temple management skills I will accept THAT also.”
and earlier you wrote –
“If Madhu Pandit has ALL the temples in HIS OWN name then Srila Prabhupada says “DO NOT THINK IN THIS WAY OF BIG CORPORATION, BIG CREDITS, CENTRALIZATION–THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE PROPOSALS”
Mahesh: IF the case IS that Madhu Pandit OWNS ALL the temples then THAT we can NOT accept. No contradiction. Then THAT is BIG CORPORATION BUSINESS CENTRALIZATION. It is a question ESTABLISHING THE FACTS. Where is the PROOF that HE OWNS ALL THE TEMPLES?
This point was overlooked I believe, I would like to repost Bhakta John’s personal experience with Mahesh via phone conversation for the benefit of this discussion.
Bhakta John wrote-
“Anyway, when Tim Lee started focusing his continuing HATE CAMPAIGN on me (when I questioned IB’s rock band kirtans) a year or so ago we spoke at length about this on the phone. You admitted to me then that you knew he was lying (and even using your name to back up his lies), but that you did not want to get involved because he may also start attacking you online.”
Mahesh is more concerned with his personal welfare and his “online” credibility, than he is concerned about Srila Prabhupadas reputation and good name.
Mahesh you are a very scared person who lives in fear… you have no taste for the truth nor are you willing to fight for the truth. Srila Prabhupada’s instructions have not entered your heart very seriously…as Prabhupada wanted arjunas….not cowards who are more concerned with their own personal safety/comfort over the TRUTH.
-Janardana das
Janardana das: Mahesh is more concerned with his personal welfare and his “online” credibility, than he is concerned about Srila Prabhupadas reputation and good name.
Mahesh: this is ANOTHER edition of “you have to follow US” simply bogus!
Janardan prabhu. I wrote those comments. Bhakta John was just quoting me.
Mahesh Raja says: “to bolster your numbers Prahlad is ALSO writing under the name of “Ananny Mouse” he HIMSELF told me so.”
That is not true. You and i have not communicated since a phone conversation we had 6 months ago. I am shocked that you would lie to devotees like this. I am not ‘Ananny Mouse’.
Mahesh Raja says: “Prahlad you are ALSO from HKS camp Jaipur so why do you want me to write something that pleases YOUR camp only?”
I am not from HKC camp. I am ONLY from Srila Prabhupada camp, and I will support any person or group who are sincerely serving his instructions.
Hare Krishna Janardana Prabhu,
There is slight misunderstanding here, actually I did not talk with Mahesh Raja Prabhu but it was Prahlad Prabhu who talked with him. I had copied that comment from Prahald’s comment.
Anyway this fact will not change the course of the discussion going on here. I once again request Mahesh Raja Prabhu to consider all the points being made here with a cool head and then try to see what would be best to advance the cause of His Divine Grace. Let us rise above petty differences and work together to preach the pure uncontaminated teachings given by Srila Prabhupada. This will do good to us and whoever will come in contact with us. But if we compromise then everything will be finished like it has happened in Iskcon.
yours,
Bhakta John.
Mahesh,
So you don’t deny saying these things on the phone with Bhatka John prabhu?
Knowing that somebody is lying and not speaking up makes you also implacable in the sinful activity, Prabhupada says this. But not only DO YOU NOT SPEAK UP, YOU COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS TIM LIAR ADMITTEDLY KNOWING HE IS LYING. You are deliberately fighting tooth and nail for this madman because you are afraid that he will cause you personal anxiety on the internet. I have never known such a coward Prabhupadanuga before in my entire life until now.
Mahesh, you can quote Srila Prabhupada until you are blue in the face… but because you CANNOT APPLY HIS TEACHINGS IN THE REAL WORLD that makes you simply armchair philosopher, useless.
What is the value of you listening to Prabhupada’s lectures all day if you cannot practice what he is instructing on a practical field?
this weak sentimental attitude should be identified among the “ritviks” and weeded out because it is a poison that ENABLES people like Tim Lee to run free and cause so much chaos to sincere devotees.
Mahesh, consider yourself weeded out.
-Janardana das
Mahesh Raj
It seems Mahesh Raj, that you are prepared to tolerate and overlook Madhu Pandit’s UGRA KARMA activities on the basis that 1. He is ”good” temple manager and 2. He accepts the Ritvik system of initiation. This I find repugnant and cowardly in the extreme. In the first instance you are probably a bit “star struck” by Madhu Pandit, because he really has fooled you, hasn’t he and now you are forced by your own unfortunate pride to remain his loyal ‘lap dog’, or loose your credibility by admitting your mistake.
The second ‘good’ point that you make about Madhu Pandit’s “acceptance of the Ritvik System” is also quite superficial in light of his overwhelming, demonic, narcissistic, nepotistic, and Ugra Karmic activities and offences to other vaisnavas. It is quite obvious that this ”window dressing tokenism” of ritvik acceptance is simply the ‘mask’ that he employs to fool persons such as yourself, so he is free to pursue his own personal “management” agenda of UGRA KARMIC DEMONIC ALLIANCES.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
As an impartial observer with no axe to grind, I would like to humbly offer a little food for thought. No offense intended towards anyone here.
I’ll be honest, all this fighting on a public forum – especially one called “Prabhupada News” – doesn’t look too good. Couldn’t it be done privately?
Back in the day, some devotees wanted to install telex machines (the forerunner to emails) in the temples. Srila Prabhupada replied:
“The installation of telex communications for our main temples is not required. Then they will gossip more through the telex.”
Prabhupada also stated:
“We have sacrificed our life for Krishna, where is there scope for sleeping and gossiping? You can see in my example, not a single moment is wasted. This idleness is the business of the karmis. They can be seen sitting in the park gossiping, ‘my son-in-law said this,’ ‘this man has cheated me.’ But it has no place in devotional service.”
One devotee complained that he couldn’t find any good association among his godbrothers. Srila Prabhupada replied:
“Then YOU become the good association.”
There was also an interesting conversation between Subala das and Srila Prabhupada:
Srila Prabhupada: “You do not like to live with devotees?”
Subala: “No.”
Srila Prabhupada: “Why is that?”
Subala: “They gossip and talk nonsense.”
Srila Prabhupada: “Then you must change the gossip into transcendental talks. So many people come to me with nonsensical talks and I transform them into transcendental talks.”
Subala: “We are always fighting.”
Srila Prabhupada: “You must consider it to be your fault. If each person thinks in that way there can’t be fighting. If someone calls me ‘prabhu,’ and I think I am their master, that is wrong.”
Perhaps there is validity to many or all claims here, I don’t know. I’m not arguing against any specifics or persons. The main point is that Prabhupada’s mood was to see the good in others, or at least to try and reform the bad into good. He said:
“We are not against bad men; we want to change them into good men.”
Srila Prabhupada was able to expertly harmonize all disparate views and engage everyone nicely – and co-operatively – in Krishna’s service. Otherwise, how could he have achieved such incredibly successful worldwide results? If everyone understands and loves Prabhupada – and truly puts him in the center – then shouldn’t we be able to find common ground and work through what Srila Prabhupada called “petty disagreements?”
At any rate, please consider how this might all appear to new, inexperienced and innocent souls who are looking for news about Prabhupada on the Internet.
Dear Learned Readers,
Hare Krishna. AGTSP.
There are two sides of the coin. Yes, one side of it is known as ;
” then ” i.e. past ( rendering selfless service or with personal ambition )
and the other side as ;
“now” i.e. present ( rendering selfless service or with personal ambition ).
So, keeping these two elements of truth in mind, one must come to think about it who is indeed committed to serve selflessly the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
So without any further confusion about who is in the service of Srila Prabhupada or who is not, one must consider the actions being taken place before drawing its conclusion.
Playing blame games are always very self destructive and unproductive.
All of us are supportive in serving the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada according to our best Individual and collective ability and capability simply to follow through the Instructions of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
Now discussing one camp over the other, we must not through the dirt of our individual mind over to the other. Doing so simply shows that how ignorant are we being carried away by our own respective egos under the influence of the mode of material nature.
Let us be specific and present our clear understanding based on these two elements of truth referred above on the concerned issues under discussion.
More later.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
this has nothing to do with service to Prabhupada, actually. Kirtanandana did service at one point. no one excuses his behaviour because of previous service. This is about Tim Lee being a lying, hurtful and hateful person who attacks anyone and everyone including innocent poster on this webpage and this webpage owner. Again, this is about a lunatic disguised as a devotee and defended by other lunatic devotees.
Gossip or blame game is not the issue for me at least. It is an issue of HYPOCRISY.
Those who claim to be defenders of Prabhupada but then support blasphemy of him are FIRST CLASS HYPOCRITES WHO HAVE NO PLACE IN PRABHUPADA’s MOVEMENT. [see quote below]
This needs to be pointed out for the benefit of those looking for sincere devotee association. And those who have enough knowledge to recognise such hypocrisy but don’t denounce it are thus supporters of it.
HYPOCRISY IS FORBIDDEN IN THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT
So sex life is not forbidden in this movement but hypocrisy is forbidden. If you become hypocrite, then there is no (indistinct). That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s teaching. Choṭa Haridāsa, he represented himself as a brahmacārī and he was looking after a young woman. Then He understood, “He is a hypocrite. Reject him.” And Śivānanda Sena, he was gṛhastha, gṛhastha must have children. What is wrong there? He said, “Yes. My remnants of foodstuff should be given.” This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s movement. So our request is, don’t be hypocrite. There are four āśramas: brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa. Whichever āśrama is suitable for you, you accept, but sincere. Don’t be hypocrite. If you think that you want sex, all right. You marry and remain like a gentleman. Don’t be hypocrite. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s movement. He did not like hypocrisy. Nobody likes.
Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 6.1.22 — Honolulu, May 22, 1976
@ LW and any other “pacifists” who would like to stop this healthy and MUCH NEEDED discussion.
There needs to be a stricter standard among those who would call themselves “Prabhupadanugas”.. we can see with Bangalore corruption, Tim lee’s insanity, ISKCON inc.’s questionable behavior, the Tatva Darshana ritvik child molesting program in South India etc. That there is no standard anymore, anybody can call themselves a “Prabhupadanuas” or “Ritvik” and do whatever they want…there is NO STANDARD and NO ENFORCEMENT for those who SERIOUSLY disrupt Srila Prabhupdas mission using his good name and reputation to do so.
So should we just not speak about these issues? in hopes that someday we can all hold each other’s hand and sing Kumbaya together around campfires together?
Silence means acquiescing with the sinner… this is not ordinary bickering and gossip. These issues have a HUGE IMPACT for the future of Srila Prabhupadas movement and for the reputation of our beloved Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada says we should discuss things “THREADBARE” for the benefit of everybody.
If this debate bothers you maybe you can do something that will cause you less anxiety….Do not try to negate the real issues here with your pacifism, this is not our philosophy.
“And the hero is Vaisnava. We are going to produce such Vaisnavas, not these dull rascals, sitting down. We don’t want these Vaisnavas, sitting down rascals. We want Arjuna or we want no one. That is Vaisnava. That is wanted.” – Srila Prabhupada
-Janardana das
Please look at the following quote Mahesh Prabhuji. I hope it helps.
Prabhupada: Yes, actually. He must be standing on truth. That is greatness. Because “to err is human.” Anyone commits mistake. There is no doubt about it. But after committing mistake, if I stick to that mistake, that is foolishness. When it is detected that it is mistake, you must admit. That is greatness.
(S.P.Morning Walk February 1, 1977, Bhubaneshwar)
Take the chance for greatness and admit that it was a mistake to support tim lee and then a even greater mistake to equate peoples exposing him as an offender as there hate propaganda.
and what does this say about MPD when MPD posts Tim Lee’s rambling hate-filled diatribe as his official response to the Jaipur HKC’s Struggle For Truth? What does this say about all the devotees that can not see Tim Lee for what he is, as Mahesh can’t ? devotees like William ACBSP and Yasodanandana, who Tim Lee still speaks for? Why can’t they see the obvious?
Dear LW
Unfortunately we live in a world of “impartial observers” impartially observing the place going to hell under the banner of “religiosity” and “philanthropic activities” so you yourself should feel right at home. Many of Srila Prabhupada’s conversations were also quite heated and vigorous. Perhaps you yourself were “impartially observing” the destruction of ISKCON by “not engaging in gossip and politics and just following the NEW order” that is your business. If your solution is to shut down the discussion then why are you offering your “impartial” opinion. If there is DEVIATION and UGRA KARMA activities beying undertaken why should this not be brought to the attention of the general community?
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Amar Puri
Your points are well taken about the To-ing and Fro-ing of “different camps” this is why I don’t subscribe towards ANY camp but try to stick to the facts. Perhaps creating an article such as “Who Is Tim Lee?” is going to spark all sorts of opinions based on ‘mutitudes of personal experiences’ some good, some maybe not so good. Within many opinions that have surfaced as to his ‘state of mind’ it should not be taken very seriously neither should ISKCON TRUTH as they are publishing such nonsense, rantings.
The discussion has however uncovered the Ugra Karma activities of Madhu Pandit however and his DEMONIC AND DESTRUCTIVE ALLEGENCES WITH GMO MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS AND THEIR POLITICAL BACKERS. This alliance is in the present and certainly in the future causing MASSIVE INJURY AND DESTRUCTION TO BOTH THE MISSION OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AND TO INNOCENT CHILDREN WHAT TO SPEAK OF THE COUNTRY OF INDIA. The alliances with Monsanto, Eugenics Advocate Bill (Kill) Gates and disgraced former politician Clinton will end VERY, VERY, VERY BADLY.
This is of course proof that this guy Madhu Pandit is simply a ‘puppet and flunky’ to the demonic Big Money interests of deceptive and evil Corporations such as MONSANTO who are ‘HELL BENT” on destroying the World in the name of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and cannot be trusted.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Mukunda das:Gossip or blame game is not the issue for me at least. It is an issue of HYPOCRISY.
HYPOCRISY IS FORBIDDEN IN THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT
So sex life is not forbidden in this movement but hypocrisy is forbidden. If you become hypocrite, then there is no (indistinct). That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s teaching. Choṭa Haridāsa, he represented himself as a brahmacārī and he was looking after a young woman. Then He understood, “He is a hypocrite. Reject him.” And Śivānanda Sena, he was gṛhastha, gṛhastha must have children. What is wrong there? He said, “Yes. My remnants of foodstuff should be given.” This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s movement. So our request is, don’t be hypocrite. There are four āśramas: brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa. Whichever āśrama is suitable for you, you accept, but sincere. Don’t be hypocrite. If you think that you want sex, all right. You marry and remain like a gentleman. Don’t be hypocrite. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s movement. He did not like hypocrisy. Nobody likes.
Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture 6.1.22 — Honolulu, May 22, 1976
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Mahesh: So when you battered your EX wife Indira SO BADLY why did you give her so many Prabhupada quotes that husband is right to JUSTIFY your action on beating her. She sent me the Prabhupada quotes at one time. There was NOT A SINGLE quote on how a husband should GIVE PROTECTION TO THE WIFE. Why did the wife have to SEEK protection from POLICE. Hypocrisy or anything else?
Janardana das:Mahesh, you can quote Srila Prabhupada until you are blue in the face… but because you CANNOT APPLY HIS TEACHINGS IN THE REAL WORLD that makes you simply armchair philosopher, useless.
Mahesh: You go ask Kamsahanta Prabhu. He knows me FAR better then your “armchair” business. Why? because we have had PRACTICAL dealings on EXPOSING the bogus gurus AND the UNEDITED 1977 tapes containing MORE whispers ON WHO GAVE POISON to Srila Prabhupada.
Prahlad das: I am not ‘Ananny Mouse’.
Mahesh: Bluffing others does not help – but nice try anyway.
Wow. Just see how Mahesh has no defence for his blind-following of Tim Lee and so immediately resorts to character assassination! Exactly like his friend Puranjana. So rascal. And he is still LYING that I personally told him that I was also commenting here as ‘Ananny Mouse’. Mahesh & i have not spoken since 6 months. I am not ‘Ananny Mouse’. Sad to see how Mahesh is now resorting to lying and making personal attacks.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari:It seems Mahesh Raj, that you are prepared to tolerate and overlook Madhu Pandit’s UGRA KARMA activities
Mahesh: In a COURT of LAW in ANY country you have to substantiate PROOF. Otherwise they will NOT accept you. AP is NOT run by Madhu Pandit.
It is run by his wife’s sister’s HUSBAND Cancalpati das. This is the information I HAVE. Who has done the BIG BLUNDER to accept the “donation” of GM foods I have no proof. Usually in India they ALL NGO’s will take FREE donations and SELL them to make HUGE backdoor profit. That is the system of BIG TIME corruption there. In emergency ALTHOUGH the people are dying BUT the store keepers HOARD the foods so that they can reap BIG profit at HIGH price. THAT is the GRIM reality there.
Nevertheless, GM foods MUST NOT be accepted. I hope that they are all reading this and will make amends.
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
Sorry to say but I think Mahesh has lost his mental equilibrium. He is saying AP is NOT run by Madhu Pandit. It is all over the net. Please go to the official website of Akshaya Patra http://www.akshayapatra.org and the first thing you will see is the photograph of Madhu Pandit with the President of India which says “Chairman- Akshaya Patra, Madhu Pandit Dasa meets the President of India.”
yours,
Bhakta John.
Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna to all the assembled Vaisnavas here. We at Hare Krishna Community, Jaipur had posted the article “Deviations of Iskcon Bangalore Group of Temples from the original teachings of Srila Prabhupada” on this web site. So, I have been reading the comments going on here on and off since the article has come. I would like to also add something to the discussion going on here.
Firstly I would like to answer the following question which was raised by Amar Puri Prabhu few days back -_____________________________________________________________________________________
Amar Puri: HKC … I agree with the statement made by admin@iskcontruth.com which reads as ;
” You guys need to investigate then just putting up things. Prove your point with hard evidence, mail it to admin@iskcontruth.com and we will stand beside you and protest against ISKCON Bangalore temple. ”
That is why I ask for the name of person in charge who is the leader responsible for the article who has posted here on this forum but thus far no answer from HKC. I wonder WHY? I am hopeful that somebody from HKC may answer to my questions soon.
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The answer is that mainly this article was written by me but since many other devotees here at HKC, Jaipur had contributed to it and helped me to put the things together so I had mentioned there- “Article written by Prabhupadanuga devotees of Hare Krishna Community”.
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I admit my lack of awareness about GMO, Monsanto, Bill Gates Program of population reduction in India and Africa etc. and their connections with Akshay Patra because of which I could not address this most important issue in this article.
Thanks to Mahesh Raja Prabhu and specially Sudarshan Das Vancari Prabhu who have provided not only so much information about these demoniac activities but have also indicated its deadly effects on humans, environment and the animals (specially the cows). After researching on the internet for last few days on GMO, Monsanto etc. I am not only shocked but also little disturbed in my mind. For everyone’s information I would like to state that these activities are happening just 50 kms. from Jaipur where I am currently staying. The name of the place where Monsanto has launched their activities in collaboration with Akshaya Patra is Govindgargh.
I have personally seen the huge piece of land on which Monsanto officials are growing vegetables in very large quantities with these GMO seeds. I have also come to know that they have already trained thousands of farmers in this “modern” farming technique. And this is going on here for last 2-3 years!!! Akshaya Patra devotees regularly visit this place.
All the vegetables grown here are supplied to A.P kitchen in Jaipur. Since the biggest vegetable market is in a place called Chomu which is very nearby to this place, I am doubtful weather they are supplying these vegetables to this market also. If that is so then the vegetables which we are eating are also produced by GMO seeds since most of the supply of vegetables in Jaipur comes from Chomu!!!
I am researching and collecting more proofs before I put up an article on this. I will try to do my little bit by approaching the Government and other trustees of Akshaya Patra (not MPP because he refuses to even discuss anything which puts a question mark on his activities) if this nonsense can be stopped.
So, I fully agree that the discussions going on here are very useful and intelligent devotees should speak boldly from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada for everyone’s benefit. Srila Prabhupada never liked a hodge podge philosophy but wanted his disciples to take a clear stand as he himself showed by his example. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection –
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Prabhupāda: We don’t care for this trouble. If you are sincere it is all right. We are facing so many difficulties. We don’t care for it. We never compromise. All my students, they will never compromise. Why shall I compromise? If I am confident that I am speaking the truth, why shall I make compromise? Those who are not confident of his position, they will make compromise. One who does not know where he stands, he will make compromise. And if I know where I am standing, why shall I make compromise? Let others do whatever he likes. This is our position. (Press Int. Bombay 31/12/76)
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Your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
Hare Krishna Dayalu Nitai Prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Your comments are welcome here. I think you can say many things which we do not know as you are directly facing the brunt of Madhu Pandit’s demoniac activities.
you wrote :
” I will try to do my little bit by approaching the Government and other trustees of Akshaya Patra (not MPP because he refuses to even discuss anything which puts a question mark on his activities) if this nonsense can be stopped.”
Do you mean to say there are other trustees also in Akshay Patra?
yours,
Bhakta John.
Bhakta John (Netherland) :Sorry to say but I think Mahesh has lost his mental equilibrium. He is saying AP is NOT run by Madhu Pandit. It is all over the net. Please go to the official website of Akshaya Patra http://www.akshayapatra.org
Mahesh: Why the sarcasm? I read somewhere that VICE president is Cancalapati Das. It is NOT the Chairman who OVERSEES the RUNNING of day-to-day donations etc. This is passed ON to the others. It is RUN by others in the lower rung. This is HOW management structures are RUN. Presidents are there for the SHOW.
It seems you have a VESTED INTEREST with the HKC in animosity against Madhu Pandit. WHEREAS MY CONCERN is that GM FOOD BE BANNED COMPLETELY. Lets hope that those in the DECISION MAKING in AP see the DANGERS of GM food.
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
Mahesh Prabhu, when Prahlad is exposing the truth about Tim Lee you are saying it is hate. When we are taking about the alliances of Madhu Pandit with the number one demoniac company of the world, you say it is animosity against Madhu Pandit.
In fact it looks like you are in an unconditional love with Madhu Pandit and Tim Lee. There were links provided earlier where it is clearly stated that monsanto has made a PARTNERSHIP with Akshaya Patra to step up its operation in India starting from Jaipur. Clinton is visiting Jaipur and Madhu Pandit is discussing hunger problem with him and you are trying to say that Madhu Pandit does not know about it , it is a day to day affair. Come on Mahesh do not be so naive.
yours,
Bhakta John.
Dayalu Nitai Das:Thanks to Mahesh Raja Prabhu and specially Sudarshan Das Vancari Prabhu who have provided not only so much information about these demoniac activities but have also indicated its deadly effects on humans, environment and the animals (specially the cows). After researching on the internet for last few days on GMO, Monsanto etc. I am not only shocked but also little disturbed in my mind.
Mahesh: there is an activist against GM crops who is very vocal among all scientific circles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva
The thousands of suicides in Maharastra by farmers are the DIRECT result of these DANGEROUS GM crops : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers'_suicides_in_India
Monsanto and its puppets are banned in Russia also.
There are BIG banana crop failures in South America and manipulation for ordinary farmers by BIG GM companies under different names but ONE umbrella. Monsanto wants to make EVERYONE dependent on THEM.
Dear DND Prabhu ,
Hare Krishna. AGTSP. PAMHO.
I find it is humbled to read from your statement in response to a question I asked in my comments not too long ago which states ;
” The answer is that mainly this article was written by me but since many other devotees here at HKC, Jaipur had contributed to it and helped me to put the things together so I had mentioned there- “Article written by Prabhupadanuga devotees of Hare Krishna Community”.
Certainly as it appears that yourgoodself as a Leader takes the responsibility of what goes on in your remarkable establishment you are running for the service to the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada which is an exemplary indeed.
Since you are empowered to run the show, therefore, it is my humble insignificant suggestion to you is that please stay clean in following HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions hundred percent SELFLESSLY without involving your personal ambition of any kind.
Sometime the personal ambition manifests without being noticed. As in the case of Shriman MPD and his team who are , no doubt . fighting vigorously to protect the legacy of our Guru Maharaja amid the chaos of AP involvement with the GMO food promoter, neither the AP management nor the IB management are able to foresee the consequences of it on account of their personal ambition simply to feed the poor all in the disguise of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
That is not what Srila Prabhupada desires of it.
I do not think that I am qualified to offer any suggestion to any one in connection with KC. However, whatever I have learned through the association of like minded devotees, I am presenting my thoughts as a suggestion to keep your personal ambition of any kinds away from your mind and thus, I beg from you and the HKC devotees to concentrate more in the purification process so that you can have built a perfect model of Vaishnava community for many generations to come in order to continue till the remaining years of 9,500 years for the Hariname Samkirtana movement as predicted by our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
OM TAT SAT.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
YS……. Amar Puri.
Hare Krsna dear Janaradana and Sudarsana Prabhus,
Thank you for you comments. Please re-read my post. I never said that we should sing kumbaya or not discuss these matters. I’m just wondering if these discussions wouldn’t be more appropriate in a private setting, rather than under the banner of “Prabhupada News.” Istagostis are usually for the Vaisnavas and not for the public, which is common sense. I think we have to be conscious about how others perceive us and not just assume that everyone knows what we’re on about. Some comments here between members seem like personal attacks and not just philosophical disagreements. But that’s only my opinion and you don’t have to agree, of course.
BTW, I never accepted the “new” ISKCON, post 7:20 p.m., November 14th, 1977 and neither have I supported it to this day. Quite to the contrary. I don’t and won’t make assumptions about anyone here based on a few comments on this message board because I think it’s unwise to jump to quick conclusions. How can we know each other’s history in Prabhupada’s service so easily?
Anyway, thanks again for the comments because I’ve learned from you both. I was trying to offer another perspective for everyone’s benefit, but now I think I made a mistake by jumping into the conversation with what are probably irrelevant comments to the discussion at hand.
Bhakta John (Netherland):Clinton is visiting Jaipur and Madhu Pandit is discussing hunger problem with him and you are trying to say that Madhu Pandit does not know about it , it is a day to day affair. Come on Mahesh do not be so naive.
Dayalu Nitai Das: I will try to do my little bit by approaching the Government and other trustees of Akshaya Patra (not MPP because he refuses to even discuss anything which puts a question mark on his activities) if this nonsense can be stopped.”
Bhakta John (Netherland):Do you mean to say there are other trustees also in Akshay Patra?
Mahesh: Why would Dayalu Nitai Das approach “other trustees of Akshay Patra” UNLESS there OTHERS have a SAY? You have to see HOW the decisions are made by the controlling party. Is it done as vote? Is it done as a sole dictatorship? WE DO NOT KNOW. Trustees MAKE the decisions. Otherwise, Dayalu Nitai Das would not have said “and other trustees of Akshaya Patra (not MPP because he refuses to even discuss anything which puts a question mark on his activities”
This means he thinks there is HOPE of OTHER TRUSTEES who will be approachable.
Bhakta John (Netherland) :Come on Mahesh do not be so naive.
Mahesh: Prabhu, best you put to rest sarcasm to rest. We are discussing FACTS as they stand. Your sarcasm will gain you NOTHING. I really can not say HOW they make decisions in AP BUT NEITHER CAN YOU.
You have PROVED your ignorance:
Bhakta John (Netherland):Do you mean to say there are other trustees also in Akshay Patra?
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu.
I am encouraged to know that because of your research of GMO Monsanto (and other related entities) you are now firm in your resolve to take some action on the matter. Please continue your investigations as the internet is a wealth of information (as long as proper verification is made). The more that one finds out about the GMO ‘deception’ the more horror stories emerge, as they use bribery, lies, and Government corruption to try and force this onto the Worlds population. Education is the key as when the greater population become more knowledgeable, then it becomes a ‘groundswell’ movement which really freaks the government out. Mahesh Raja Prabhu has appropriately mentioned Vandana Shiva as a leading authority (and avid opponent of GMO’s) in your country. I believe she is based in New Delhi. Although I do not know much about her, what I have been able to research seems very positive.
All glories to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Sudarsana
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances.
Thank you for the link — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva. This and other information provided by you will certainly help in trying to stop this Monsanto affair in India.In India also now people are becoming aware of these things and there may be a country wide agitation against it, if influential leaders of some other groups who care for the country take it seriously.
By the way, the sad part is that we are all Prabhupadanugas and we have to go through people who are not even devotees to try to stop something evil which is being supported by Akshaya Patra. And Madhu Pandit Prabhu, inspite of being the Chairman of Akshaya Patra is not even ready to discuss these issues what to speak of owning the responsibility for becoming involved in this demoniac activity.
I do not know to what extent Srila Prabhupada would want me to get involved in this personally, considering the fact that my time is required in many preaching projects going on here in the service of His Divine Grace.But one thing is sure that after knowing all these things I should not sit quietly specially when these things are happening right under my nose. May be I can appeal to other groups to raise their voices and then support them in whatever way I can.
You wrote with respect to Bhakta John:
Mahesh: Prabhu, best you put to rest sarcasm to rest. We are discussing FACTS as they stand.
I fully agree with this and our concern should be if we can help in stopping this nonsense in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada as it will not only cause great damage to humans, animals and the environment but will spoil the good name of Srila Prabhupada and the “Hare Krishnas” in India.
your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I apologize to Mahesh Raja Prabhu for some of my unnecessary comments. But I would suggest him not to brand devotees as belonging to this camp or that camp or falsely charge that they are speaking out of hate and animosity when things are pointed out which may not be in accordance with his beliefs. I am also interested in just discussing the facts. Knowledge is always liberating.
Once again I would like to ask Dayalu Ntiai Prabhu, if he knows about the other trustees of Akshaya Patra, their management structure etc..
yours,
Bhakta John.
Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
In answer to Bhakta John’s questions about the other trustees of Akshaya Patra, I will state the following facts some of which can be confirmed on http://www.akshayapatra.org and others are from extremely reliable sources -_____________________________________________________________________________________
1) There are currently 8 trustees of Akshaya Patra.
2) 3 of them are devotees – Madhu Pandit Dasa, Chanchal Pati Dasa and Chitranga Caitanya Dasa. Madhu Pandit Dasa everyone knows, Chanchal Pati Dasa is co-brother of Madhu Pandit Dasa i.e his wife’s sister’s husband and assists him in all management activities. Chitranga Caitanya Dasa is a very senior devotee who was instrumental in setting up Akshaya Patra in U.S and U.K from where millions of dollars come to Akshaya Patra every year.
3) Other 5 trustees are – Mohandas Pai, Abhay Jain, Ramdas, Raj and Bala. All of them are very reputed, influential and rich businessmen of India. They are the ones who have been instrumental in bringing very big donations from the corporate sectors like the Tatas.
4) Madhu Pandit Dasa and Chanchal Pati Dasa are LIFE TIME MANAGEMENT TRUSTEES and the others including Chitranga Caitanya Dasa are simply trustees. Life time management trustees are not subject to election or any action by the rest of the trustees. On the contrary the life time management trustees can remove the other trustees at their will without having to give any explanation.
5) Recently (few days back) Chitranga Caitanya Dasa has also quit from Akshay Patra as well as from Iskcon Bangalore. Madhu Pandit Dasa has asked him to submit his resignation. So that will leave only 2 devotees Madhu Pandit Dasa and his co-brother Chanchal Pati Dasa who have absolute power in all the affairs of Akshaya Patra.
6) I have known Chitranga Caitanya Prabhu personally since 1995 when I was a full time brahamchari in Iskcon Bangalore. Now also I am in touch with him. It seems from whatever he told me that he was forced to quit because of his disagreement with Madhu Pandit Dasa on certain issues.
7) I have personally witnessed the working of Madhu Pandit Dasa as I have had very close interactions with him when I was in Bangalore. I was instrumental in bringing the President of India , Late Dr. Shankar Dayal Sharma (who happened to be my uncle – my father’s sister’s husband in bodily relationship),as a chief guest for the inauguration of Bangalore temple in 1998. Though I was a new devotee that time but due to the nature of services like this and others which required my meeting of high govt. officials I interacted very closely with Madhu Pandita Dasa. He would completely control everything and even a very senior devotee like Chanchal Pati Dasa was not allowed to take independent decisions even on small small matters.
8) I can confidently say from my experience then and now also with many issues which I have addressed to the GBC of Iskcon Bangalore that this centralized way of working pervades their entire organization and the elections ,DOM and GBC is all just a cover up. I can provide many more concrete proofs if somebody wants to get in detail about it.
I hope this will clarify the question of Bhakta John and other readers who may be having similar doubts.
your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
Here is Tim Lee’s response to this article:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/hkc-prabhupada-eu-law-enforcement-issue.html
Latest post by Tim Lee (iskCON Bangalore online spokesman and self-appointed representative of ‘ritviks’/prabhupadanugas worldwide!):
krishna1008 September 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
[[PADA: Finally! We are making good progress with the “Jaipur for Truth” and “Prabhupadanugas EU” folks.
1) They both support the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Prabhupadanuga EU program that says: ISKCON has been infiltrated and controlled by: the Illuminati / children of Yaweh — Zionists / Homosexual acharya’s mafia / demons from the Draco Constellation etc. etc. And HKC / Jaipur for Truth tells us they support Prahlad, i.e. they support these ideas listed above.
OK, got all that?
2) And how did you guess, according to this program, one of the primary pillar leaders of this Illuminati / Zionist / Homosexual acharya mafia / Demons from the Draco Constellation conspiracy is: Radhanath swami. In fact — they above say he is a prime example of the “ifiltrators.”
OK, got that so far?
Therefore! The way to fix ISKCON is: To join with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Prabhupadanugas EU folks and PUBLICLY promote one of the BIGGEST public defenders and CHEER LEADERS for this homosexual guru’s PROGRAM, ok like Bhakta das , who says Radhanath swami is bona fide! The way to fix ISKCON is to promote the Draco Constellation demon leaders and their cheer leaders! Wow! Sign me up!
OK, let’s review: (A) ISKCON has been infiltered by the Illuminati, the demon race from the Draco constellation, the alleged Zionists, and in sum ISKCON is controlled by some sort of demons, therefore (B) lets PROMOTE Bhakta das, because he is one of the biggest cheer leaders of these demon infiltrators, so we can help them establish the GBC gurus and Radhanath as the messiahs of ISKCON. Lets not forget Bhakta das has a criminal record, and he ran off to the Gaudiya Matha?
Lets not forget that the above group, including Bhakta das, opposes our idea of establishing Srila Prabhupada in the court, rather they have joined with the GBC gurus and Bhakta das saying this court case is “wasting money.” OK these people want to keep Radhanath on the legal guru seat and not Srila Prabhupada.
OK, really? Isn’t all this contradictory? ys.pd]]
LOL. This is what happens when Tim tells so many lies that they contradict each other.
Are there any practical things we can do to disassociate genuine followers of Prabhupada from this dangerous lunatic?
Hare Krishna Mahesh prabhu.
Please explain why you are writing lies on prabhupadanugas.eu – ie. that I told you I am also writing there as ‘Ananny Mouse’ and that I told you this MYSELF.
Mahesh Raja says:
4. September 2014 at 12:50 pm
..to bolster your numbers Prahlad is ALSO writing under the name of “Ananny Mouse” he HIMSELF told me so.
Mahesh Raja says:
5. September 2014 at 11:05 am
Prahlad das: I am not ‘Ananny Mouse’.
Mahesh: Bluffing others does not help — but nice try anyway.
I await your reply. Thanks
Jaya Prabhupada!
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Hare Krsna! Prahlad Prabhu
When we were on the phone LAST you told me you were also using this name of
Ananny Mouse. So I REMEMBERED this.
So from my point it is NOT a lie.
ys Mahesh
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Hare Krishna Mahesh prabhu.
That is simply NOT TRUE. I last spoke with you on phone 5 months ago. I have NEVER mentioned ‘Ananny Mouse’ to you or anybody outside of the prabhupadanugas.eu forum. I do not even know who this person is.
‘Ananny Mouse’ was not even posting on the prabhupadanugas.eu forum until May (after the ‘HKC Struggle For Truth’ article was published). So that is PROOF that I could not have told you I was posting using that name, because our phone conversation was on April 4th (the day I arrived back in UK from India). We briefly discussed IB/AP deviations and HKC only. We did not even discuss prabhupadanugas.eu forum. Please admit that you are telling a lie. There is no other explanation, unless you want to plead insanity.
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Hare Krsna! Prahlad Prabhu
I have just told you that WHEN you PHONED me you told me you were using ANOTHER ANNOY MOUS name If that was in FACE book I do NOT know. BUT YOU TOLD me this. AND I REMEMBERED.
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Mahesh prabhu.
EVERYTHING I post online (my blog, FaceBook, prabhupadanugas.eu) is posted under the name ‘Prahlad Das’. I do not use any other names/accounts. You are simply talking NONSENSE trying to make an excuse for your lies:
“Prahlad is ALSO writing under the name of “Ananny Mouse” he HIMSELF told me so”
“You told me you were also using this name of Ananny Mouse”
“I have just told you that WHEN you PHONED me you told me you were using ANOTHER ANNOY MOUS name”
Now you are saying different things to hide your lies. I have known you for almost 25 years, but I am quickly losing the respect I had for you. Shame.
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Hare Krsna!
Lets move on – I do not want to know you.
Dear readers.
There is a youtube clip entitled…….Bill gates admits vaccines are for depopulation.
This raises the obviously more questions.
1. Why is MP and Co doing business with scum like Bill Gates who is a fascist sympathiser and eugenics advocate?
2.Why has Gates funded (through Microsoft Corp) the IDRF which is funnelled into the RSS (Indian Hindu Fascist Organization)
3. Why does the ‘proposed’ Vrindaban Temple design resemble the Nazi’s Reich’s Chancellery building in Berlin?
4. What part does the Prime Minister, Narendra Modi (who is also aligned with the RSS) and is prevented from entering the USA because of an American 100,000 petition barring him because of his part in the massacre of over a thousand persons in 2002 Gujerat in a two month orgy of hate, murder, rape and infanticide, have in all of this?
5. If MP and Co cannot be replaced but are ‘intrenched’ acting in the same way as a Fascist, Dictatorial, Regime, what value are these people to anybody?
6. What is the value of following hypocrites, fascists and fools?
Just a few points there……
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Prahlad:Please admit that you are telling a lie. There is no other explanation, unless you want to plead insanity.
Mahesh: Do you see ANY MANNERS in HOW you talk? This is WHY I said:
Hare Krsna!
Lets move on — I do not want to know you.
Bhakta John (Netherland) : But I would suggest him not to brand devotees as belonging to this camp or that camp or falsely charge that they are speaking out of hate and animosity when things are pointed out which may not be in accordance with his beliefs.
Mahesh: I admit I was wrong to brand devotees as belonging to this camp or that. So my apologies on that.
We should see what is the truth an individual says rather then make it a camp affair – although we may not agree with each other.
Dear Mahesh Prabhu, PAMHO. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krishna.
It is sad for me to see you distorting the truth about peoples personal lives in a similar manner to tim lee. Still i fully understand it. You are now in defense mode and are fighting tooth and nail to defend you egoic stance. To be defeated is, in a sense to loose your self or false sense of self. People who are fighting for there life do desperate things.
I hope in time you will be able to step back from this egoic identification and look at things from a platform of detachment. Perhaps then you can hear more clearly the valid points people are presenting to you about tim lee.
I will leave you with these points to consider at that time, if it arrives.
WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF TIM LEES OFFENSE
Tim lee’s offense to Prabhupada is extremely severe as he has supported the propaganda that was aimed to defame Srila Prabhupada by saying he was a crooked leader of a child molester cult while posing as a pure devotee of God. This is exactly the same type of offense as the one Gopala Capala made to Srivasa Thakura
This brahmana, Gopala Capala, wanted to defame Srivasa Thakura by proving that he was actually a sakta, or a worshiper of Bhavani, the goddess Durga, but was externally posing as a Vaisnava. (C.C. Adi Lila 17.37-38)
What was the result of the offense commited by Gopala Capala to srivasa Thakura. Here Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu addresses him thus:
TRANSLATION “O sinful person, envious of pure devotees, I shall not deliver you! Rather, I shall have you bitten by these germs for many millions of years.
PURPORT
We should note herein that all our sufferings in this material world, especially from disease, are due to our past sinful activities. And of all sinful activities, actions directed against a pure devotee out of sheer envy are considered extremely severe. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted Gopala Capala to understand the cause of his suffering. Any person who disturbs a pure devotee engaged in broadcasting the holy name of the Lord is certainly punished like Gopala Capala.
This is the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. As we shall see, one who offends a pure devotee can never satisfy Caitanya Mahaprabhu unless and until he sincerely regrets his offense and thus rectifies it.
TRANSLATION “You have made Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura appear to have been worshiping the goddess Bhavānī.
Simply for this offense, you will have to fall down into hellish life for ten million births.
(C.C. Adi Lila 17.51-52)
So this is the factual position of tim lee according to the verdict of sastra unless and until he sincerely regrets his offense and thus rectifies it.
JUDGE A THING BY THE RESULT
The idea that by distributing the writings of Tim Lee [such as Betrayal and Child Molester Gurus] has done any good needs to be judge by the result.
Well after years of propaganda by Tim lee and his followers that Isckcon is run by a group a child molester Gurus what was the conclusion or punch line???
From Plaintiffs Original Complaint:
35. The founder of the institution, Prabhupada, was informed in 1972, at a time when he totally controlled the institution, that extensive physical and sexual abuse of minor ISKCON children was occurring, but he concealed the wrongdoing from the public, parents and all but a handful of close advisors.
After years of Child Molester Gurus, Child Molester Gurus, Child Molester Gurus who is the ringleader?
So that is the factual result of years of distributing Tim lees writings. It is completely understandable that you find it hard to admit your mistake of supporting him.
Love Mukunda dasa.
Mukunda das:It is sad for me to see you distorting the truth about peoples personal lives in a similar manner to tim lee.
Mahesh: Mukunda Prabhu are YOU any better then him? YOU have BATTERED your EX wife Indira and DIVORCED her and you gave a lot of Srila Prabhupada’s quotes to JUSTIFY how a WIFE should be subservient to her husband. There was NOT even a SINGLE QUOTE that you gave to your EX wife on HOW a HUSBAND should PROTECT the wife. AT THE LAST RESORT SHE WENT TO POLICE FOR PROTECTION AGAINST YOU. As her husband WHERE WAS YOUR PROTECTION FOR YOUR WIFE?
You want to give me a lecture on HYPOCRISY? Just look at YOUR HYPOCRISY. Where does Srila Prabhupada say get DIVORCED? Husbands PROTECTION is to DIVORCE the wife? To BATTER the wife is PROTECTION? You ILL-TREATED wife SO BADLY and you want to lecture me on Puranjana?
S.B 4.26.17 P King Puranjana Goes to the Forest to Hunt, and His Queen Becomes Angry
ACTUALLY THE WOMAN MUST ALWAYS BE PROTECTED BY HER HUSBAND.
TO MANIPULATE QUOTES FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA TO SUIT ONES AGENDA TO JUSTIFY BEATING YOUR WIFE IS NOT PROTECTION. It is called H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.
When you took your children to the Vrindavan. They were in the NEXT ROOM and you were HAVING SEX with some woman you met there. And you want to give ME lecture on HYPOCRISY?
When you PROMISED at Initiation BEFORE Srila Prabhupda deity to chant 16 rounds HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
And you do NOT do this THEN what is the VALUE of your PROMISE? You have plenty of time on computer telling the world about Puranjana but no time for completing 16 rounds that you PROMISED Srila Prabhupada at initation. Hypocrisy or WHAT?
SB 5.4.8 The Characteristics of Rsabhadeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said that in order to preach, one must live a practical life and show people how to do things. Apani acari’ bhakti sikhaimu sabare. ONE CANNOT TEACH OTHERS UNLESS HE BEHAVES THE SAME WAY HIMSELF.
Now I see Mahesh is trying to ‘character-assassinate’ Mukunda Das exactly like Tim Lee has been doing for the last 15 years. Mahesh always tries to make everything into a personal issue when he is defeated with logic and philosophy. Anyway he has already been shown to have lied on this very forum. Now his false-ego is desperate and is resorting to ‘ad-hominem’ attacks. Is he a disciple of Puranjana? Looks that way to me.
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[One devotee joked with me on the phone — how ironic it is — these people are acting like Nazis to help Bhakta das promote the (alleged) Zionist gurus. Hee hee! He said, this is getting rather silly, the neo-Nazis are beating up on PADA for NOT worshiping the Illuminati / Zionist gurus? Hee hee! Really, this is getting to be no small amount of weird if not insane?
FROM: Prabhupadanugas EU (after quoting from the Protocols of Zion)] “It is a fact however that the great sinister movement (Children of Yahweh ) is within our Society… SO ALL OF YOU MAY TRY TO SAVE THE SOCIETY FROM THIS DANGEROUS POSITION .” !!!!!!!!! [Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970].
[PADA: OK, so lets work with Prabhupadanuga eu to help Bhakta das promote the dangerous conspiracy gurus? We need to help the Children Of Yaweh gurus, by promoting the cheer leaders of the Children of Yaweh gurus? These people simply make no sense, and have not all along. They are basically with the bogus gurus, they are for the GBC’s guru’s cheer leaders, and against PADA because we oppose their Illuminati gurus.
Anyway we have not heard much from the Jaipur folks after all this, they first of all said that when we were opposing all this we were “making up lies,” but now that their hero’s text is clearly and positively posted on Prabhupadanuga EU, what do they have to say? We have proof positive their program is promoting the cheer leaders of the Protocols Of Zion / Draco Constellation folks, as messiahs.
Its not a lie, we have photographic evidence that this is their agenda. We have evidence so much clear and certified, we think it will easily pass muster at law enforcement agencies in Germany and elsewhere. This begs the question, why does HKC Jaipur support this program of advertising the cheer leaders of the Illuminati / Zionists / Draco constellation demon messiahs program? Its not a lie, we have certified and recorded them doing that. We are going to join them citing Bhakta das as our authority, when he supports the homosexual guru program? ys,pd]
I think PADA/Tim Lee/Puranjana has blown a gasket. Him and William ACBSP are all that’s left. Oh yeah and Yasodanandana, his alter ego, who has remained conspicuously silent during all this. All of Tim Lee’s “friends” have remained silent and are not coming to his defense. Only Mahesh has come to his defense and he had to lie to defend him. Now Mahesh is attacking in the same way PADA/Tim Lee/ Puranjana does. He is a disciple of PADA-ananda swami.
I think PADA is imploding and is taking a few rtviks with him. the other rtviks are jumping from the sinking PADA ship.
Ok Mahesh prabhu. I think i will end my stay at this discussion. I wish you well. I hope your Mother is well.
I remember donating £10,000 to print Gita’s when i was in iskcon as a brahmacari. Little did i know they were changed books. I thought i was doing a good thing at the time. Later i realized my mistake. But in a way things are only mistakes if we fail to learn from them. Otherwise everything is just a learning process on our path Home, Back to Godhead.
There is no harm in making mistakes prabhuji and it is the greatest benefit for us to admit that. Krishna always sees our intentions. He sees our heart. Even i can see you have a good heart and lots of love for Prabhupada. And i thank you so much for helping me in my spiritual life.
Sorry if i have offended you in anyway. I have tried to speak on a point of philosophy which i feel is important, i cannot compromise on that my dear prabhu.
Dandavats.
love Mukunda dasa.
Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada.
Prahlad:Now I see Mahesh is trying to ‘character-assassinate’ Mukunda Das exactly like Tim Lee has been doing for the last 15 years.
Mahesh: You have to have a character to assassinate. If the character is LACKING what is there to assassinate? Unlike you I study BOTH sides of the viewpoint. This is BIG BLUNDER from Puranjan’s side to accept this nonsense he should have spoken out:
From Plaintiffs Original Complaint:
35. The founder of the institution, Prabhupada, was informed in 1972, at a time when he totally controlled the institution, that extensive physical and sexual abuse of minor ISKCON children was occurring, but he concealed the wrongdoing from the public, parents and all but a handful of close advisors.
Note: you can NOT say you have no fault ONLY Puranjana has fault. THAT is my point. You folks are NO BETTER then Puranjana. You bark at him and he barks back THAT is ALL it is. I have nothing against Mukunda Prabhu on the CONTRARY just ask him how many times I have helped him. BUT I have to POINT the defects that HE CAN RELATE TO. He is WASTING HIS LIFE with Puranajan katha BEST he chant 16 rounds INSTEAD. THAT will pave way for HELPING HIM in his spiritual life. His Puranjana katha WASTED on computer will NOT help him go back to Godhead BUT the 16 Rounds of Chanting will ENHANCE his chances. YES the message is PAINFUL. But it is done WITH GOOD INTENTION. When Surgeon removes the boil it is PAINFUL but it is done with GOOD INTENTION. Mukunda KNOWS what I have stated is TRUE. NOW it is UP TO HIM. This is a WAKE-UP CALL. If he wants to WASTE his life on Puranjana Katha OR chant 16 Rounds of HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE to ENHANCE his Spiritual life. Time is going by and NOBODY is getting younger. Death can call at ANY time. Why WASTE in dog-fights?
Puranjan is ALSO wasting his life in all these arguments. He has also blown away nice devotees like Kamsahanta Prabhu, Urdhavaga prabhu etc So WHAT is the gain? NOTHING! You folks are ALWAYS arguing with each other. Puranjana says this Mukunda says this Prahlad says this etc etc etc WHO CARES? I just SKIP all the nonsense and see what PHILOSOPHICAL POINTS there are.
Hare Krsna!
Hare Krishna Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
It is very sad to see how you are resorting to personal slandering against Mukunda Prabhu.Your attacking of Mukunda dasa personally has again proved the fact that whenever you are defeated in logic and argument directly from Srila PRabhupadas quotes you resort to character assasination, branding devotees belonging to this camp or that camp, charging them that they are speaking out of hate or animosity. This is not brahminical. It just shows your attachment to your false ego.
In a morning walk (May 2, 1973, Los Angeles) Srila Prabhupapda says:
Prabhupäda: That’s all. Andhä yathändhair upanéyamänäù [SB 7.5.31]. Anyway he has admitted, “I do not know.” That is sufficient defeat for him. But they are shameless. In spite of being defeated, they won’t admit that “I am defeated.” Not gentlemen. Formerly between two learned scholars there will be argument. If one is defeated… Just like Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya. As soon as he became defeated, he became His disciple. That’s all. That was the system. Not that we go on arguing for hours, and one is defeated; still, he remains the same. No. If you are defeated, then you must accept the other party as your master. That was the system. As soon as he said that I do not know, he should have become your disciple. That is the system. “If you do not know why you have come to teach me.”
You are blindly following another blind man Tim Lee. Prabhu if you continue like this I think no sincere Prabhupadanuga/ritvik would like to associate with you.As Ananny Mouse has pointed out rightly:
Ananny Mouse: “I think PADA is imploding and is taking a few rtviks with him. the other ritviks are jumping from the sinking PADA ship.”
yours,
Bhakta John.
Just see what happens when you see behind the slick ‘Promotional Videos’ and high level ‘Masterplans’ dreamed up by Evil Fascist Multinational Corporations like Monsanto sitting around at a Board Meeting.
The ‘Brief’ and ‘Real’ agenda of course is……
HOW TO DUMP AND PROMOTE DANGEROUS TOXIC GMO PRODUCTS INTO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES CAUSING THEM TO (OVER TIME) BECOME DEPENDANT ON GMO SEEDS AND THEREFORE CONTROLLING THEM COMPLETELY, DESTROYING THE HEALTH, AND THE ENVIRONMENT OF WHOLE NATIONS EVENTUATING IN MASS STARVATION AND MUTATION. NOT ONLY THAT BUT ALSO INTRODUCE DANGEROUS VACCINES WHICH HAVE ALREADY PARALYSED OVER 50,000 CHILDREN BASED ON ANOTHER LIE (THAT POLIO CAN BE TOTALLY ERADICATED) AND “MOST IMPORTANTLY” MAKE OUR PALS LIKE BILL “SLICK WILLY” CLINTON AND ALSO OUR DEAR FASCIST (EUGENICS ADVOCATE) BILL GATES…………
Suddenly as the board members start to become exasperated A HAND GOES UP…..”Hey! why don’t we disguise this whole plan as a philanthropic, not for profit, charity thing, you know like a ‘Trojan Horse’, you know IN LIKE A NEEDLE OUT LIKE A PLOW! Cause hey! we can’t sell this shit in the west because they are on to us. But in places like India and Africa we can just pay the politicians off. (We can do a deal and get the Australians (cause they will do whatever Uncle Sam tells them to do!) to agree to supply the Indians with lots of Urananium and everybody’s happy!
I think it goes something like that…..What do you think?
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
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