YASODA (YASODA-NANDA) ATTACKING DEVOTEES
WHO READ SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM
Yasodanandana helps Kali destroy the last leg of religion with his lies.
By: Jitarati das
Subject: Fw: The Red “not-original” Srimad Bhagavatam
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021
From: Joseph Langevin <yasoda1008@yahoo.com>
From Yasoda: “In this email, all the lies and dubious arguments given by those who have still supported the red SB shall be completely exposed here. Exposing the offensive changes in the so-called original Srimad Bhagavatam: The Red “not-original” Srimad Bhagavatam has so many pages, lines and verses cut off from the second and fourth cantos.
YASODA’s DISTORTION AND LIES EXPOSED
From: John Hanton <hantonjohn@hotmail.com>
Date: 01 Jan 2019 – 19 Dec 2021
Subject: Fw: The lies Of Yashodanandana exposed
From Jitarati to Yashodanandana:
Dear Yashodanandana Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Below is your quote from an article you wrote in August 2018. Your request for proof of authorisation for changes in the 76 SB prompted me to go take a closer look at this article.
I am writing only to you and I am not copying anyone nor will I ever copy anyone as I have discovered that the mistake you have made here is quite embarrassing for you. I am hoping that you will be honest enough to admit your mistake.
Your quote:
“Here we find the same mistake which Srila Prabhupada had criticized and disapproved of on June 22, 1977, wherein the word sadhu was translated as “this is relevant”. This shows that Srila Prabhupada did not approve of that version of the first Canto which Jayadvaita claims he had just edited and sent to Srila Prabhupada for his approval. Srila Prabhupada did not approve that version which was being read in his garden. He requested that the books, including that 1976 unauthorized revised edition, be returned the original way, i. e., the first edition.
Srila Prabhupada specifically disapproved of the 1976 Srimad-Bhagavatam edition and its unauthorized changes which had just been read in His presence. He criticized and disapproved it as of June 22, 1977.”
Jitarati: First of all the translation for Sadhu is not a mistake. I have explained that all before so will not repeat it again here. It is exactly the same in the 76, 72 and Delhi version. The real point here is that you seem to completely misunderstand what book is being read and therefore have come to a wrong conclusion. The version that was being read on June 22/77 was not the 76 version but the 72 version.
You have quoted the relevant proof from the conversation as follows:
“Srila Prabhupada: That… Find this verse, munayah sadhu prsto ‘ham… [SB 1.2.5].
Tamala Krishna: There’s no index. It’s not a new Bhagavatam. There’s no index in this Bhagavatam.”
Only the 72 has no index in the first volume but the 76 has complete index in all volumes. Obviously they were reading from the 72, not the 76 as you try to claim above.
Secondly, the mistake “munayah—of the sages; ” is only a mistake in the 72 version but is corrected in the 76 and is correct in the Delhi version.
Prabhu, you have made a very serious blunder here and have misled many devotees on this subject. I beg of you to please correct this mistake and set it right for your sake and all the misled devotees.
In the same conversation Prabhupada has repeated many times that Jayadvaita is good and that he and Satsvarupa should be written to, to correct this problem of rascal editors changing his translations.
You also quote this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada: “in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
Just what more do you need?
What Jayadvaita did after Prabhupada left is an entirely different story. None of us are confused on his abuse of Prabhupada’s trust in him. Also the principle of Arsha Prayoga after the departure of the Spiritual master is disregarded by him.
You tell the story of Prabhupada slamming down the paperweight and saying to you not to change one word.
I will leave you with a very relevant and poignant verse from the SB to illustrate who is changing Prabhupada’s translations and who is correcting them to the original way and how so important the original way is for all of us in this important verse.
SB 1/17/22 – 1972 version:
TRANSLATION: The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and – you are speaking on the principles that if one knows the location of irreligious acts, one will know the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.
1976 version:
TRANSLATION: “The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.”
Delhi version:
TRANSLATION: “The king said, oh you are one who knows the truth of religiosity in the form of a bull, you are speaking just on the principle that the place which is fixed up for the person engaged in acts of irreligiosity, is also the place for the identifier. You are no other than the personality of religiosity.”
So it is easy to see that the 72 version has a completely different meaning.
Fortunately Prabhupada’s purport saves the day even though one would be perplexed why the verse makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with the purport.
Yasodanandana Prabhu, I sincerely hope that you can see your mistake and admit the truth. It will benefit you and all those who depend on you for the truth.
Your servant,
Jitarati das
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From Yasoda:
“If they got an approval, it is only for the first 2 chapters of the first canto and not for all 4 cantos as per that letter. Also the letter dated August 31,1976 by Radhavallabha Prabhu asks for approval only for the first 2 chapters.
There is no such letter which shows Srila Prabhupada’s approval for changing these 4 cantos.
Where is the approval for cutting off so many lines,verses and paragraphs in 2nd and 4th cantos?”
Jitarati’s response:
“If they got an approval” ? These are the words of a demon, with no faith in Srila Prabhupada. They want to deny the approval, which they actually do below.
Yasoda you quoted this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada: “in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
From Yasoda:
“But again, according to the rascal editors conversation, Srila Prabhupada makes a statement to go back to the original way. Therefore, we must STICK TO THE FIRST EDITIONS WITHOUT ANY HESITATION.”
Jitaratis response:
First of all, they are not sticking to First editions. Delhi edition is first edition and the 76 is already put back to the original way of the Delhi edition.
Do they want original edition of Easy Journey To Other Planets where the moon landing hoax is taken out by Hayagriva and he was severely chastised by Srila Prabhupada for doing that?
Before we can discuss other changes in the first four cantos, acceptance of the bona fide corrections of the first canto have to be recognised, otherwise it will be a useless endeavour with no chance of a good result.
Ys,
Jitarati das
PS: If you like to order the 10 vol. Srimad Bhagavatam Set,
or if you have any questions concerning Yashodanandana’s distortions and lies,
you can write to me, at:
hantonjohn@hotmail.com
Jitarati das
Jitarati das Prabhu writes ;
” In the same conversation Prabhupada has repeated many times that Jayadvaita is good and that he and Satsvarupa should be written to, to correct this problem of rascal editors changing his translations.
You also quote this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada:
“in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
Just what more do you need? ”
NOTE ; Dear Readers, please pay very very very close attention to the letter of September 7, 1976, concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu which reads as follows ;
A Hand written note which reads on the letter dt. Sept.07,1976 can be read here at the link ;
http://prabhupadanugasworldwide.org/important-points-and-questions-on-21000-changes-in-srimad-bhagavatam-first-four-cantos/
” whatever he has done is alright I have faith in him ” A Hand written note on the said letter.
Whereas from the article written above, we read this following ;
“in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
Now the question comes which STATEMENT is absolutely right ?
I hope some body needs to clarify the TRUTH.
We the followers of Srila Prabhupada humbly request to Jitarati das Prabhu to kindly shed some more light on this issue.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Are you alright Prabhu?
Your question doesn’t make any sense. What is the difference between:
” whatever he has done is alright I have faith in him ” which is what Prabhupada hand wrote on Radhavallaba’s letter, and then in the typed rersponse to the same letter Prabhupada said:
“Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
Anyone who wants to see it, can easily see that the meaning is the same.
I really cannot understand what you are confused about.
Now if you seriously want to understand this issue, then please respond to my first reply to you, and now please respond to this reply to you, before jumping to another point. If you don’t understand a point, why jump to another point. This is not the way to resolve an issue. This was not Prabhupada’s way of doing things, so if you want to glorify Prabhupada, then you should follow Prabhupada’s way. One point at a time until it is understood.
Your servant,
Jitarati das
Respected Jitarati Prabhu,
Sadar Pranam. AGTSP.
First of all, allow me to clarify that we are on the same pace of understanding and in the agreement that the Hand written note of Srila Prabhupada on the letter of Shri Radhavallabha das Prabhu to Srila Prabhupada dt. August 31, 1976, not dated Sept.07,1976 which reads ; ” whatever he has done is alright I have faith in him “.
In Srila Prabhupada’s response:Letter to: Radhavallabha
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Vrindaban
7 September, 197676-09-07
Los AngelesMy Dear Radhavallabha das,Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letters dated August 25 and 31 and have noted the contents.Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him. Your changes which I have seen of the sanskrit synonyms is also approved by me. Tanmayataya refers to the fact that the trees and the father were absorbed in the same feelings……..
Both these letters can be read here at this link ;
http://prabhupadanugasworldwide.org/important-points-and-questions-on-21000-changes-in-srimad-bhagavatam-first-four-cantos/
Important points and questions on 21000+ changes in Srimad Bhagavatam (first four cantos) – Prabhupada Anugas Worldwide
Important points and unresolved questions on 21000+ changesin Srimad Bhagavatam (first four cantos) Some important points: From that list of 21000+ changes(shown …
prabhupadanugasworldwide.org
In the above letter dt. 7 September 1976, Srila Prabhupada approves of editing whatever Radhavallabha das Prabhu asked for in his letter dated August 31,1976.
Kindly NOTE that Srila Prabhupada gives permission only for that Edited work submitted for his approval for the printing as per the letter dated August 31, 1976.
It is only for that specific Edited work which please keep in mind for which you, Jitarati Prabhu, have agreed upon the same meaning in your comment.
NO CHERRY PICKING WITH INCOMPLETE QUOTE as you may do.
THEREFORE, please note that the permission is not a ” Carte Blanche ” to make on going changes of editing and re-editing as per the sweet WILL of the Editors.
Jitarati Prabhu says ; ” Anyone who wants to see it, can easily see that the meaning is the same.
I really cannot understand what you are confused about.
So, it means that you and I are one hundred percent agreed that the above said Srila Prabhupada approval is only meant for the edited work submitted by Radhavallabha Prabhu with the letter dated August 31, 1976 .
Now that you and I are on the same pace of understanding, my question to you is WHAT IS THE VALIDITY of your response when you say in your article ;
Jitarati’s response:
“If they got an approval” ? These are the words of a demon, with no faith in Srila Prabhupada. They want to deny the approval, which they actually do below.
Yasoda you quoted this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada: “in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
Where and what is that approval you are talking about ? Whom are you calling demon, with no faith in Srila Prabhupada ?
Is that the approval you are justifying Srila Prabhupada letter dated September 07,1976 ; “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.” ?
If it is so, you are referring to the above approval, then, you are yourself a LIAR, a CHEATER, cheating to protect your vested financial interest in the Red Set of S.B. which you are protecting for your personal interest only not the interest for Srila Prabhuipada’s Original VANI.
Should you prove me wrong in my above assumption by renouncing your vested financial interest in the Red Set, SB., in case, you are only TRUE to your goodself, giving me the benefit of doubts also that you are Honest and Truthful person, then, you should prove it, Jitarati Prabhu. The ball is in your court yard. Hope you play it well regardless what you choose with your FREE will.
Further, here is my confusion, Jitarati Prabhu, when I come to think about a devoted and dedicated person like your goodself is failing to see that the Editors have made so many changes in the Srimad Bhagavatam by adding and deleting without the permission and approval of Srila Prabhupada. My mind gets confused, Prabhu. Why are you supporting and promoting the unauthorized changed version of Srimad Bhagavatam Red Set ?
What is your interest in that ?
Is it that you are heavily invested in printing of the unauthorized changed version of the Red Set Srimad Bhagavatam that you are committed to promote by hook or crook ? What it is that you are all out to protect your vested interest ? That is what makes me confused, Prabhu. This gives you the answer of my confusion you asked for.
Then you asked me ; ” Are you alright Prabhu? ”
My answer is NO. I am not alright, Prabhu. Here is why ;
Where is that written and/or recorded approval or permission from Srila Prabhupada to change wholesale in the Srimad Bhagavatam Red Set that you, Jitarati Prabhu, you are promoting vigorously by hook or crook what I call is throwing unnecessarily mud of offensive and defensive playing game ?
With regard to the answer to your SB. 1/17/22 – 1972 version you quote in the article is nowhere to be founded which reads as follows;
Delhi version ;
TRANSLATION ; ” The king said, oh you are one who knows the truth of religiousity in the form of a bull, you are speaking just on the principle that the place which is fixed up for the person engaged in acts of irreligiousity, is also the place for the identifier. You are no other than the personality of religiosity.”
That is why you say ; ” So it is easy to see that the 72 version has a completely different meaning.”
The correct version SB. 1-17-22 is the following with the link provided ;
TRANSLATION ; ” The King said ; O You who you are in the form of a bull, you know the truth of religion, and you are speaking on the principles that one knows the location of irreligious acts, one will know the perpetrator. You are no other then the personality of religion. ”
https://draftable.com/compare/yllqQqNZSlgP
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If need be, I shall continue in my next posting with more information with regard to the Red set of SB. as to why the Books are not Original. The Red Set is totally changed version.
Now I am exposing that how the Red Set of SB is duly changed version make me a Demon, a non-believer of Srila Prabhupada’s VANI, so be it.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Kamsahanta, myself, Vidura Mahatma Prabhu, Madhudvisa Prabhu etc had some previous discussion with Jitarati Prabhu——- and—– NONE—- of us could agree with Jitarati Prabhu’s RE-EDITED Red Srimad Bhagavam Printing as being “original way” as stated by Srila Prabhupada.
Just—– HOW MANY—–FURTHER—– editors AND editions are you going to KEEP ON HAVING to be counted as ORIGINAL WAY?????? This is CHANGE disease. Best to keep to the FIRST EDITIONS that were ALREADY printed -THESE- ARE THE ORIGINAL WAY. Srila Prabhupada READ—–AND——COMMENTED on THESE——-FIRST—– EDITIONS:
https://krishnastore.co.uk/srimad-bhagavatam-set-original-first-edition-30-volume-h-krishna-502.html
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Prabhupāda: So you… What you are going… It is very serious situation. You write one letter that “Why you have made so many changes?” And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarūpa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The NEXT printing should be AGAIN TO THE ORIGINAL WAY.
All glories to the assembly of Devotees, All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga!
Having this debate after 10,000 sets were printed and distribution going on around the world is totally insane.
The favorite tactic of the demons is “divide and conquer” apparently to me, that is what is going on now, on the internet (666) and the computer (666).
As a distributor, we know the sets are not the original ’72 Srimad Bhagavatam.
“Red cover” 10 volume set of Srimad Bhagavatam, which also includes the full 3 volume Krsna book, is a later printed edition (before 1977) and great for distribution, the highest quality.
O’Hare Airport, Feb 1975, my first Initiation & after the streets of Chicago during the harsh winter ’74 distributing BTGs and small books that toughen me up for doing airport distribution,
Tripurari Swami had me join him, training me up the first day, we went out ever day with 20-30 amazing big guns distributing thousands of hard back books weekly.
Semi-Trailer truck full of books showed up every month, we all line up carrying the books down to the temple basement of a YMCA building we had as our temple base on out attack on Maya.
Every year we did more and more books, hundreds of devotees were shipping them, many were editing the books, printing the books, all under the supervision of our guru and Lord Krishna’s pure devotee, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada wrote many letters to our airport and library crews that we were pleasing him up to the days before he left us.
The Srimad Bhagavatam books we had in ’75, ’76’ 77 were constantly edited, and we seen the potency increased, under Srila Prabhupada constant guidance, the books increase in sales to up to a million sets a month!
The demons took notice, “divide and conquer”, they took out Srila Prabhupada and started changing the books, dividing up the assets and devotees. Iskcon undergone a massive deterioration in its spiritual purity.
Many of us left Iskcon, my gratitude to Jitarati das, providing KBI books to distribute the last 10 years, in India, Hong Kong, Seoul Korea, Thailand, Philippines.
Gratitude to the Hare Krsna Society devotees, and others who helped me get back into the fire of devotional service, continuing following Srila Prabhupada instructions and distributing his books after relocating to India over 10 years ago from San Francisco.
My plea, stop this debate, we must unite, we are in a global war, as Srila Prabhupada predicted.
The target is us, they plan to eliminate 13 out of 14 of us by 2030.
Exactly 666 days since the pandemic started, 5G will start-up in January 2022.
You ain’t seen nothing yet, the demons had this planned for years.
As I told Jitarati das and Yasoda nandana das, leaving book distribution for a while and heading to the forests, where Mahamsa prabhu has an off-grid organic farm, with solar for power, up in the blue mountains of Kodiakanal, Tamil Nadu, South India to prepare for what’s here and what’s coming next.
Suggest you do the same, get out of the cities, grow your own food, its fun and spiritual in nature (read Damaghosa das book “How to move out of the city and take control of your life by growing your own food”),
Please, don’t rely on the government for electric, water or food anymore, get serious about your sadhana, this time next year. many will not be here, this debate is finished, ending with love for each other.
Time is nearing the end, lets make Srila Prabhupada proud of us before we join up with him in the next life.
In service to Srila Prabhupada
your lowly servant
Rathayatra dasa
Karuna Farm, Kodiakanal, Tamil Nadu, South India.
What a sweet reply. Thank you very much. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Good luck, Prabhus. May Lord Nrismhadeva please bless and protect you all.
Dear Readers,
The following link is the correct link of the Delhi Version Original SB.1-17-22 ;
https://draftable.com/compare/pMtvfQINaQtE
The correct Delhi version SB. 1-17-22 from the above link provided reads below ;
TRANSLATION ; ” The King said ; O You who you are in the form of a bull, you know the truth of religion, and you are speaking on the principles that one knows the location of irreligious acts, one will know the perpetrator. You are no other then the personality of religion. ”
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NOTE ; THE following link is not the proper link as posted in my comments ;
https://draftable.com/compare/yllqQqNZSlgP
Please disregard the above link and I humbly request the Editor, please paste the corrected link for Reader’s convience.
My sincere apology is for any inconvenience it might have caused by my mistake.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Jitarati das Prabhu,
What is the response to seemingly contradictory statements posted in the Link of the article provided below ;
http://prabhupadanugasworldwide.org/the-ongoing-debate-over-which-is-the-real-original-books/
in which as stated there reads as ;
Jitarati says….. “First of all the translation for Sadhu as ” this is relevant ” is not a mistake.
Also Jitarati says this sadhu is releveant mistake was not present in the Delhi version –
he is wrong it is the same mistake there, same mistake in 1972 and 1977 and 1978.
Is he (Jitarati ) wrong ? or who is misleading WHO ?
Can somebody please answer this to help search the TRUTH ?
OM TAT SAT.
HARE KRISHNA. ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA
Dear Readers,
Please read from the following link with regard to the Book Changes ;
https://krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com/?p=33197
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri Prabhu is a credible source and his word carried the recognizable weight according to Srila Prabhupada vani.
Can Jitarati Prabhu really Justify the changes? I do not think so.
I do not know HOW ANYONE can RE EDIT the whole Srimad Bhagavatam WITHOUT Srila Prabhupada’s APPROVAL. SAVE AND EXCEPT—–WHATEVER Srila Prabhupada has HIMSELF pointed out DURING HIS CLASSES ETC——- WHY MAKE SO MANY CHANGES:
http://prabhupadanugasworldwide.org/important-points-and-questions-on-21000-changes-in-srimad-bhagavatam-first-four-cantos/
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Srila Prabhupada Letter to Radhavallabha, January 5, 1976, Nellore:
“I will have to SEE PERSONALLY what are the mistakes in the synonyms and also how you intend to correct them. I was not satisfied with the corrections that were made before. I saw some changes which I did not approve. Nitai may correct whatever mistakes are there, but the corrected material MUST be sent to me for FINAL approval. So reprinting the volumes will have to wait until the mistakes are corrected AND approved by me.”
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Letter to Rupanuga, 17 February, 1970:
“My dear Rupanuga, Our editing is to correct grammatical and spelling errors only, without interpolation of style or philosophy…”
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Dear Learned Readers,
It is the argument, logic. JITARATI PRABHU and the supporters of the Red Set of SB. should continue. And to become angry and to go away, that means defeat.
Since they know that their nonsense cannot be upheld, therefore, they resort to Ad Hominem attacks. malign character. Their OWN character is vulgar i.e. promoting and protecting the UNAUTHORIZED – CHANGED BOOKS printed and financed by Shriman Jatarati das for his personal vested interest, so, they use vulgar language on others. It is that simple
Allow me plese to quote ; Srila Prabhupada did not care for these sorts of barking and bickering :
” Let the dogs bark, the caravan will pass.”
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Prabhupāda:So many agitators came and gone, but the Vedic process will go on. Let the dogs bark, the caravan will pass.
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Prabhupāda: We don’t care for it. We will go on. Caravan will pass. Let the dogs bark.
NOTE ; Rather than deal with the substance of the issues those rinos [,ritviks in name only,] prefer distortions, fabrications, half-truths, falsehoods, Insults, name calling such as Idiot, Uneducated, confused and on and on, including outlandish accusations on to those who simply Protect and Promote One Hundred Percent Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and His ORIGINAL BOOKS.
Please NOTE that those who think by using vulgar language as stated above, Amar Puri will go away. NO. No Way. Only he comes back with clear answers that which annoys them. Take for eg attack on my English language command which is not one hundred percent perfect but message is very clear, and nothing wrong with it. But those who are sober minded can see it that since the attackers have nothing else but to attack as such by name calling as mentioned in the NOTE above. Thus, their use of vulgar language makes THEM low class: those who are reasonable can see this.
In this connection of name calling, I would like to draw the kind attention to the following conversation of Srila Prabhupada ;
Woman reporter: Than you. Thank you. (woman leaves)
Harikeśa: The scientists have the theory that the brain, the intelligence is measured by creases in the brain, creases, not by size.
Prabhupāda: Not size, but what is the proof that the brain of woman has increased? Where is the proof?
Harikeśa: They think because the ego has increased, the brain has also increased.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that’s nice. (laughter) That’s nice. (laughing) So to become angry means defeat. If two persons are in argument the man, the one party, he becomes angry, that means he is defeated. Why one should become angry? It is the argument, logic. They should continue. And to become angry and to go away, that means defeat.
Harikeśa: They become upset because they cannot dominate you.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not the question of domination; it is the question of logic. If you do not agree to logic, then no argument can make progress.
Uttamaśloka: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if one does not agree to logic, does that mean that they are under the influence of tamo-guṇa?
Prabhupāda: That means he is animal.
Guest: Under the influence of who?
Uttamaśloka: Tamo-guṇa.
Harikeśa: It’s the mode of ignorance.
Guest: Who?
NOTE ; Above is taken from the Conversation continues at the following link ;
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1975/jul/television_interview/chicago/july/09/1975
More later, Prabhus.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Jitarati prabhu: First of all the translation for Sadhu is not a mistake. I have explained that all before so will not repeat it again here. It is exactly the same in the 76, 72 and Delhi version. The real point here is that you seem to completely misunderstand what book is being read and therefore have come to a wrong conclusion. The version that was being read on June 22/77 was not the 76 version but the 72 version.
Vidura Mahatma Das: Even with the 1972 edition being read during that conversation, and even with the change “of the sages” being present in the 1972 edition and fixed in the 1976 edition, this does not change the fact that the point and main issue being raised in the Rascal Editors conversation became that changes were being made to newer printed editions of books, which is why Srila Prabhupada ordered in that conversation that the next printing should be again to the original way. This order by Srila Prabhupada was not necessarily based on the initial mistake found in the 1972 edition “of the sages”. To assume this is logically incorrect. Srila Prabhupada’s order at the end of that conversation cannot be nullified on the grounds that the initial mistake brought up belonged to the 1972 edition. This is precisely what I believe Jitarati prabhu is trying to do but it is a mistake. We must look at the flow of context of that conversation leading up to Srila Prabhupada’s order, and that context is of newer edition reprints of books after the 1972 edition.
Please see article: https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48851
Hare Krsna Vidura Mahatma prabhu,
Many thanks for this simple & concise explanation, here and in your previous article quoted.
Srila Prabhupada states in Bhaktivedanta Purport.. SB 8/20/19 >>
“Ārjavam—simplicity or freedom from duplicity—is a qualification of a brāhmaṇa and a Vaiṣṇava…. There cannot be any duplicity in the character of a Vaiṣṇava”
Yfs, Balaram das.
Dear Learned Readers,
The Conclusion of allegations about the LIES and the CHEATING in Printing of the adulterated – changed books (the Red Set of 10 SB. as Original ) promoted by Jiatarati das as discussed on this link ;
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=53427#comment-71356
From the article on the above Link, we read the following responses from Jitarati Prabhu allegations raised against Yasodanandana Prabhu ;
Jitarati’s response:
“If they got an approval” ? These are the words of a demon, with no faith in Srila Prabhupada. They want to deny the approval, which they actually do below.
Yasoda you quoted this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada: “in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”
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My response ; It is fact that Jitarati prabhu simply to safe guard his vested financial interest in Printing the adulterated books of 10 Red set of SB. he writes and quotes Srila Prabhupada’s incomplete statement – a cherry picking statement to prove his point in a smoke screen writing usually as to what is factually spoken and stated by Srila Prabhupada as brought out and established in my comments on the above cited link.
NOTE ; Therefore, it is a FACT that Jitarati Prabhu is obviously proven as a LIAR and a CHEATER according to his response cited above.
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Jitaratis response:
First of all, they are not sticking to First editions. Delhi edition is first edition and the 76 is already put back to the original way of the Delhi edition.
Do they want original edition of Easy Journey To Other Planets where the moon landing hoax is taken out by Hayagriva and he was severely chastised by Srila Prabhupada for doing that?
Before we can discuss other changes in the first four cantos, acceptance of the bona fide corrections of the first canto have to be recognised, otherwise it will be a useless endeavour with no chance of a good result.
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For Jitaratis’ response above, please read my comments here below at the article link provided ;
Amar Puri says:
10. July 2018 at 6:59 pm
To print already Printed Editions again means, indeed, to print again the Accepted and Published Books which was as per the final approved manuscript from which the Books were produced and printed for distribution.
It never meant to go back to the raw and rough manuscript in the writing as these CRETINS promote to misrepresent and mislead through creating a smoke screen in quoting Srila Prabhupada simply for fulfilling their personal motivated agenda.
Purujit and his Chamchas choose to be in the darkest ditch of the mixed mode of Ignorance to gratify their whimsical mind. That’s all there is to it.
That is why I said ; ” The Wise People ignore the Act of the Foolish People. ”
Good Job, indeed, Vidura Mahatma dasa. Keep it up.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Sincere Followers / Devotees of The Prabhupadanuga world wide who protect and promote Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
OM TAT SAT.
NOTE ; For a Full details, please read the article ; https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48851
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It is fact that as I said earlier for a safe guard his vested financial interest in Printing the adulterated books of 10 Red set of SB. he writes to prove his point in a smoke screen writing as usual to cover the stated facts by Srila Prabhupada as established in my comments on the article under discussion.
NOTE ; Now it is a Twice Proven FACT that Jitarati is obviously a LIAR and a CHEATER according to his TWO responses cited above in his own presentation of the article under discussion.
Thus, it is, indeed, Jitarati Prabhu own FREE WILL to make a choice and choose either to serve Srila Prabhupada VANI – Original BOOKS or to serve the ADULTERATED Books – 10 Red Set of SB by distributing to protect his personal vested financial interest.
As per the Law of Karma, the action determines Fate and the choice determines Destiny.
Therefore, I hope sincerely that he makes the right CHOICE.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
ys……. amar puri.
Dear Learned Readers,
Since our Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is not physically here, therefore, NO EDIT or CHANGE of anything in His BOOKS or VANI is authorized.
Moreover, we read and KNOW Srila Prabhupada was actually disgusted with the changes they were making: THEREFORE he said Original way – which was to go back to 1st editions which he PERSONALLY supervised: “I will have to SEE PERSONALLY”…. ” so reprinting the volumes will have to wait until the mistakes are corrected AND approved by me.”
As HDG. Srila Prabhupada instructs here below ;
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Radhavallabha, January 5, 1976, Nellore:
“I will have to SEE PERSONALLY what are the mistakes in the synonyms and also how you intend to correct them. I was not satisfied with the corrections that were made before. I saw some changes which I did not approve. Nitai may correct whatever mistakes are there, but the corrected material MUST be sent to me for FINAL approval. So reprinting the volumes will have to wait until the mistakes are corrected AND approved by me.”
So, this adulterated – changed Books business must stop. I know that Jitarati Prabhu is a dedicated person for the service of Srila Prabhupada. That is how I came to know his good name.
But alas ….. will he maintain and sustain his good name and reputation for Srila Prabhupada’s mission ?
It is only he can make a choice.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Learned Readers,
We , the Prabhupadanugas world wide are up against the FAKE Iskcon aka. Iskurus – the present Kurus in the Iskcon – Bogus Gurus / gbc. who all want to see the Prabhupadanugas FAIL and disappear.
Therefore, we need to do whatever it takes to get the TRUTH out and spread continuously Srila Prabhupada’s message and mission as He desires from His sincere followers and devotees according to our respective ability and capability both Individually and Collectively.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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Respected Jitarati Prabhu,
Kindly pay close attention and hear from our Jagad Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada says about CHANGING any thing i.e. UNAUTHORIZED CHANGES in His BOOKS and VANI.
Srila Prabhupada speaks – “If I have written one book, my words are my meaning.
Why you should give meaning? I shall kick on your face.”
Prabhupāda: Majority or minority, it doesn’t matter. But why you should take Bhagavad-gītā to establish your rascal theories? That means you are cheating.
Hare Krishna, here are a few quotes from Srila Prabhupada’s instructions that clearly explain the following:
a.) What is speculation?
b.) How is the Gita misinterpreted?
c.) How should the Gita be preached?
d.) Mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu
e.) Criticism of making compromise in philosophy for personal gain
f.) Offense of disobedience to the order of Guru
g.) Srila Prabhupada’s explanation to why he presented the Bhagavad Gita “As It Is”
h.) Importance of reading the Gita “As It Is” with the guidance of a bona fide Guru
i.) Getting association with Krsna by reading Bhagavad Gita
1.
Paramahaṁsa: My question is: A pure devotee, when he comments Bhagavad-gītā, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with his commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can associate with Kṛṣṇa by reading Bhagavad-gītā. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? Everyone is helping you.
[Morning Walk — June 11, 1974, Paris]
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Amogha: Śrīla Prabhupāda, many times when I am seeing professors or students also, they seem to think that traditional Hinduism or whatever they think it is, they say that the Māyāvādī philosophy, or monist, they think this is traditional, and…, because there’s so many translations of the Bhagavad-gītā and the Upaniṣads they’ve read, and they’re all impersonal. So I was wondering what is the best way to convince them that actually, that is not actually the original tradition of understanding?
Prabhupāda: How they are becoming foolish, that they are reading Bhagavad-gītā and they are accepting original tradition of the Māyāvāda? In the original tradition of Bhagavad-gītā, it is said, Kṛṣṇa said, ahaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān: “I said. I am person.” How these rascals are accepting imperson? Why do they read Bhagavad-gītā? If they have got different theory, let them differently… They are cheating. Bhagavad-gītā is popular. Therefore they are taking advantage of Bhagavad-gītā and pushing on impersonalism. But here the tradition begins, ahaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ. Where is imperson? So if they want to be cheated willingly, who can save them? They are reading Bhagavad-gītā and devīating from the words of Bhagavad-gītā. Then what is the meaning?
Amogha: They don’t know. They simply…
Prabhupāda: That means they are so rascal, that… You are reading Bhagavad-gītā. You must take the words of Bhagavad-gītā. Why you are taking other words? What business you have got?
Amogha: They think by majority, most people think like this…
Prabhupāda: Majority or minority, it doesn’t matter. But why you should take Bhagavad-gītā to establish your rascal theories? That means you are cheating.
Amogha: But they think that’s the meaning of Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: That’s the meaning how?
Amogha: That’s what they think. They think because they’ve read so many commentaries…
Prabhupāda: Why do they think? If I have written one book, my words are my meaning. Why you should give meaning? I shall kick on your face. What right you have got? You write another book. Why should you take my book and give your meaning? What is this?
Paramahaṁsa: These professors didn’t write the books, but they read all these Swami this and that books’ translations. And then they think, “Well, all these swamis say it’s like this…”
Prabhupāda: No. They should be conscious that if you read one book, you must understand what the author says. Why should you bring something else to understand that book? What is this? If you want to say something else, you write your own book or bring that book. Why you should take my book? If you want to smoke ganja, why should you take my hand? You have got your hand. You smoke ganja. What is this? I take your hand and smoke ganja? (laughter)
[Morning Walk — May 12, 1975, Perth]
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Devotee (2): Can you explain exactly what speculation means?
Prabhupāda: Speculation means thinking, “What will happen? Maybe like this, maybe like this.” That is speculation. (break) …speculate, “Kṛṣṇa may be like this. Kṛṣṇa may be like this.” That is speculation. When Kṛṣṇa appears before you, you see, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa is like this.” That is wanted. And if you speculate, “Kṛṣṇa may be like this,” it is all nonsense. Come to the stage when Kṛṣṇa will appear before you, and you will see what is Kṛṣṇa. Be qualified to that position. Māyāvādīs, they are speculating simply, “God may be like this.” Why “God may be like this?” God is factual, Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they cannot understand Kṛṣṇa.
[Morning Walk — July 2, 1975, Denver]
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Hṛdayānanda: (translating) He wants to know if the greatest offense is to disobey the guru.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the first offense. Guror avajñā, śruti-śāstra-nindanam. Śruti-śāstra-nindanaṁ guror avajñā. If you accept guru and again disobey him, then what is your position? You are not a gentleman. You promise before guru, before Kṛṣṇa, before fire, that “I shall obey your order; I shall execute this,” and again you do not do this. Then you are not even a gentleman, what to speak about devotee. This is common sense.
[Lecture on BG 2.11 (with Spanish translator) — Mexico, February 11, 1975]
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So this is the process. Simply if we… Therefore Vedic knowledge is called śruti. One has to hear it properly, assimilate it, and then practice it in life and preach the same thing. Then everyone becomes spiritual master. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra ‘sarva-deśa: “O My dear disciples, I tell you that you, all of you, become spiritual master. Simply you carry out My order. That’s all.” “And what is Your order?” “The order is the same: yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128). Just like Kṛṣṇa gave instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā, and if you simply place the instruction received from Bhagavad-gītā as it is…” I am publishing Bhagavad-gītā As It Is because in the market there were so many Bhagavad-gītā misinterpreted, but that is not the process of presenting Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā should be presented as it is. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is simply said that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But most books which you have seen in English lang…, they are trying to make minus Kṛṣṇa. That is their attempt. So what sort of Bhagavad-gītā is that? That should not be done. Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. You should speak that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. That is the preaching of Bhagavad-gītā.
[Sri Vyasa-puja — Hamburg, September 5, 1969]
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Yes, it will help to read Bhagavad-gita but to have to hear from the realized person. Without the help of guru, if you read independently, you may be misguided.
That is the difference, hearing from devotees, the sound vibration coming from the realized person. Reading the book is the same thing . . . tattva-darsana—hearing from one who has seen the truth.
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 13 April, 1976, and I have noted the contents with care. Concerning your questions: Yes, it will help to read Bhagavad-gita but to have to hear from the realized person. Without the help of guru, if you read independently, you may be misguided. Therefore, so many politicians, scholars, etc. not being guided by the parampara system, have simply misled the public. The Bhagavad-gita is the standard book of knowledge in India and many eminent persons like Gandhi, Aurobindo, Dr. RadhaKrishnan, etc. they tried to understand the Bhagavad-gita, but could not do it. They were themselves misled and on account of their big position they misled so many followers. Our system, the Vedic system, is to approach the right person and hear from him exactly as Arjuna listened from Krishna. Mental speculation will not help. Hearing is the main point. In the Bhagavad-gita, it is written, dharmaksetre kuruksetre . . . when you hear from a realized soul, a person who knows things, he’ll explain that Kuruksetra is a place where religious ritualistic ceremonies are performed from time immemorial, from the time before the Battle of Kuruksetra. But, if you read the books of some cunning politician, he’ll mislead you and you’ll learn that Kuruksetra means this body which is not actually the fact. That is the difference, hearing from devotees, the sound vibration coming from the realized person. Reading the book is the same thing . . . tattva-darsana—hearing from one who has seen the truth. Reading or hearing from the realized person there is no difference, but hearing the sound vibration from the realized soul is still more effective, better.
[Letter to Punjabi Premanand — Bombay 16 April, 1976]
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That means “I first of all spoke to the sun-god.” Now if you take that duration, it will be some millions of years before it was spoken. These things are stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. So apart from that statement, from historical point of view, since the days of Mahābhārata, yes, Battle of Kurukṣetra… Bhagavad-gītā was spoken in the Battle of Kurukṣetra. From historical point of view, it is five thousand years old. So this Bhagavad-gītā teaching is coming from, at least, from five thousand, since five thousand years. So it is older than any other scripture in the world. So you try to understand as it is, without any unnecessary commentary. You do not… There is no use of commentary. The words are sufficient to give you enlightenment, but unfortunately, people take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā, and they try to impress under the shelter of Bhagavad-gītā their own philosophy or own idea. That is useless. You try to understand Bhagavad-gītā as it is; then you will get this entitlement, enlightenment, that Kṛṣṇa is the center of all activities. And if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be perfect, all problems will be solved. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpanam (CC Antya 20.12). These things are there, and actually, they are happening. Our students are feeling, they are actually doing that. So we shall request you to read this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, so your feelings of international spirit will be perfect and you’ll be happy, and wherever you preach this cult, they will be also happy. And that will be very nice thing.[Lecture to International Student Society — Boston, December 28, 1969]
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Prabhupāda: That’s all right. You are bringing something else besides Bhagavad-gītā. Just try to understand. We are preaching… This International Society for Krishna Consciousness, we are preaching…
Guest (1): But you have to understand the relation between the two.
Prabhupāda: That’s all… That we understand very nicely. It is not that I have to learn from you. We know it very well. But you should know that we are preaching Bhagavad-gītā. So this jyotir-liṅga, all these theories, they are not in the Bhagavad-gītā. It may be in other literature, but we are particularly interested in preaching Bhagavad-gītā. Because Bhagavad-gītā is wrongly preached all over the world by nonsense commentation, we want to rectify it. Therefore our society is specially named “Krishna conscious.”
Guest (1): What is wrongly preached about Gītā?
Prabhupāda: Wrong… Just like yesterday I went that Gītā Samītī. There is a lamp. Why there is a lamp instead of Kṛṣṇa? Why there is a lamp? Kṛṣṇa is a lamp? And it is Bhagavad…
Guest (1): I don’t know…
Prabhupāda: You do not know. Therefore I say this is wrongly preaching. Why in the place of Kṛṣṇa there is a lamp? Does Kṛṣṇa say?
Guest (1): Lamp has been with us for more than… In our mandira…
Prabhupāda: That’s all right. (Hindi?) Kṛṣṇa is also there.
Guest (1): They must evolve with that idea because…
Prabhupāda: No, no. First thing is that when we speak of Bhagavad-gītā, it is spoken by Kṛṣṇa. So why there is no Kṛṣṇa photograph?
Guest (1): They didn’t put the picture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That means you have not understood Kṛṣṇa. Therefore your, this so-called Gītā society is not bona fide. At least even in ordinary feature, suppose if there is political meeting, you keep Gandhi, this photo, Jawaharlal Nehru’s photo because they are the political leaders. You are preaching Bhagavad-gītā, Gītā Samītī, and there is not a single picture of Kṛṣṇa.[Discussion with Indians — January 18, 1971, Allahabad]
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As Bhagavad-gītā is the sound produced, vibrated by Kṛṣṇa personally, similarly Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is written by Vyāsadeva under the direction of his spiritual master, Nārada, about Kṛṣṇa. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu has advised to preach the message of Kṛṣṇa. That is His cult.yāre dekha tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśaāmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa(CC Madhya 7.128)
This is the mission of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. And He wanted all the Indians to help this movement.
bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yārajanma sārthaka kari’ kara para-upakāra(CC Adi 9.41)
This is the mission of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He has advised every Indian… Bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma. Every human being born in India, they should take up this cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They can take it. Because by birth they have got the right because this Bhāgavatam is produced in India, Bhagavad-gītā is produced in India. That is the glory of India. So the sons of India, those who are Indians, those who are proud of becoming Indian, they should take up this mission. Janma sārthaka kari’. First of all make your life successful by understanding what is Bhagavad-gītā and what is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Janma sārthaka. If you are yourself unsuccessful in the mission of your life, you cannot preach anything. Therefore Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu says janma sārthaka kari’: “After making your life successful.” That means by understanding the value of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Bhagavad-gītā, you preach this knowledge all over the world.
[Lecture on SB 1.2.6 — London, July 23, 1973]
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Hope the above meets the Readers satisfactory.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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