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II will speak my mind:
Too bad foreigners are NOT allowed to live or do service at Hare Krsna Hill as far as I know, I tried, and was treated like dirt, maybe if you stay long enough, paying for your prasadam and room, you might get a salaried job like one german devotee told me after 5 months at H.K. Hill “All Indian” so-called ISKCON.
They should at least stop using Prabhupada and his movement to live like kings and do their own thing, we all are.
“Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.” (Letter to Hansadutta July 10th /31st 1977)
Hare Krishna Rathayatra prabhu,
My pranam to you and all the Vaishnavas here.
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
Saddened to hear about this situation about the divide based on bodily designation that goes completely against what Srila Prabhupada taught us, and basically against the entire Vaishnava philosophy.
Presently, I live in Singapore, accompanying my son for his education here.
I’ve been travelling around, Bangalore Temple included, to find a Prabhupada-centric community where I can invest my resources, time and energy. Recently, I visited two farm communities in New Zealand. However, I’m yet to find one that is open to receiving new devotees, due to various reasons.
It would be wonderful to find Srila Prabhupada truly at the center of everything at these centres.
it would be wonderful to chant with Srila Prabhupada during Japa time. Also, the Srimad Bhagavatam class in the morning, and Bhagavad-Gita class in the evening can easily be a Srila Prabhupada lecture, followed by discussion amongst the devotees. I have not seen that happen anywhere as yet.
I’m presently translating Srila Prabhupada’s Bengali lectures to English.
I also present stop-motion animation movie-making workshops to devotee communities, as well as mainstream schools and individuals. I would like to start a facility for Vaisnava arts, amalgamating modern technology.
Please email me if you know of any centers that are open to such ideas. Kindly email me on rupavatidasi@yahoo.com
Your servant in service of Srila Prabhupada,
Rupavati Devi Dasi
Hare Krsna Rupavati Devi Dasi !
please accept my ecstatic obeisances !
All Glory to Srila Prabhupada !!!
Thank you for your service of translating Srila Prabhupada’s lectures and also your presentations of stop action animations. It is always wonderful and extremely inspiring to see or hear of The Devotees utilizing their time to serve and push on Srila Prabhupada’s International Society of Krsna Consciousness. and i agree with you wholeheartedly, the real ISKCON is vetted and fundamentally verified by keeping Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna both, in the center of ISKCON
i parallel your sentiments exactly about classes by Srila Prabhupada. i asked a temple president of modern day iskcon the exact same thing you are proposing in this transmission in 2016 when i was still in good standing, about having Srila Prabhupada give classes due to His mercy of having a substantial amount of His classes available in recorded form. our conversation lasted about 5 minutes or so. In that conversation i stated to him” it seems we have more access to Srila Prabhupada now more than ever before, how lucky are we ?” i am completely aware this is because of some noble Vaisnavas keeping Him in the center of their lives, and being compassionate by passing His Love of Sri Krsna on ! All Glory to the Real Devotees !!!
i requested/asked this be done on Sundays when the feast was conducted, not sure if it’s a Transcendental Feast anymore due to the way it is prepared and offered, and when the Temple was most occupied. my thoughts were, and i explained as much to the temple president as i was interacting with some of the attendees, that there seems to be those attending who don’t even know who Srila Prabhupada is let alone have ever heard a Pure Devotee of Lord Krsna personally speak on the Transcendental Literature’s He notated on behalf of Lord Sri Krsna.
the temple president, of who i had a talking relationship with, never answered this request, even though we spoke many times after that. Ultimately 4 months after this event, due to my questioning many things and many people and not getting answers or concocted answers that contradicted Guru, Sadhu and Sastra and being a “problem” because i was doing so, i was banned from the temple by the president.
i’m speculating this idea was “shot down” because of book changes etc. etc. etc., because in Srila Prabhupada’s classes He says things which are opposite of what the new gita states, and also are opposite of what the so-called leaders “peat and repeat.”
For me, in all my insignificance, i have been praying earnestly to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that their will be some empowered souls to bring what you are speaking about to fruition, and of which will continue to keep the original movement intact and unmolested, no matter what goes on in the rascal camps of babylon.
Praying all is well in Krsna Consciousness.
jason
Jaya Prabhupada !!!
Hare Krishna Jason Prabhu,
Please accept my obeisances.
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
Many thanks for your response and words of appreciation and encouragement.
Also, thank you for sharing your experience regarding trying to establish Srila Prabhupada’s vani as it is, at the temple. I too pray and hope that like-minded devotees can come together, irrespective of impediments and succeed in re-establishing Srila Prabhupada’s rightful place, within my lifetime.
Even though t’s rather disheartening to see an acute segregation, based on bodily designations, taking place that’s diametrically opposite of what Srila Prabhupada taught us through word and action, the fragmenting of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON has obviously been done by Krishna for a good reason, like the sifting chaff from wheat or a painful surgical procedure that’s essential to get rid of the diseased part.
“Arcye śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matiḥ. Guru, a spiritual master, should not be considered as ordinary human being. Guruṣu nara-matiḥ. The Ganges water, one should not think that it is ordinary water. Or caraṇāmṛta. These are forbidden. Similarly, vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ. One should not think, “He is American Vaiṣṇava,” “He is brāhmaṇa Vaiṣṇava,” “He is African Vaiṣṇava,” “He is black Vaiṣṇava,” “He is white Vaiṣṇava.” No. Vaiṣṇava is Vaiṣṇava, servant of God.
Advanced with knowledge means one should understand that “I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, or God.” That is advancement of knowledge. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi: “I am not this body; I am spirit soul. And Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Soul. I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.” Brahmā-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣat (Bhagavad-Gita 18.54). Simply by understanding that “I am spirit soul, I am Brahman,” will not help us. You must act like Brahman. Then it will be… Janma…, guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (Bhagavad-Gita 4.3). There must be realization; that is guṇa. At the same time, there must be practical work.”
(Srila Prabhupada – Lecture on Bhagavad-Gita As It Is 2.2-6 – Ahmedabad – December 11, 1972]
Translating Srila Prabhupada’s vani is an amazing experience, and I feel truly blessed to have been gifted this service. The Bengali lectures are being translated to English for the first time.
The Vanisource website is a great archive, especially for Srila Prabhupada’s audio recordings. However, with regard to his books, they have also archived the changed ones, as well as those that have been translated by others.
I have been emphatic regarding the links, to the verses Srila Prabhupada quotes during the lectures, being only to his original writings. So, as of now the only major original work that’s available on Vanisource, is the 1972 Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. Hence you’ll find in the lectures I’m translating for them, only with links to the original transcripts. Here’s the first one in the series: https://bit.ly/2JP8JRI
I’ve also offered to upload Srila Prabhupada’s Original Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, after completing the Bengali lectures.
I would like to invite devotees with narrations of “How I was saved by Srila Prabhupada’.
These narratives may include the first time they came in touch with Srila Prabhupada through his books, and/or any other experiences that connected them.
With Srila Prabhupada’s mercy, I hopefully will succeed in lending an engaging visual narrative to through stop-motion animation, that may be posted on the website that I’m creating, as well as on Vimeo & YouTube. This is of course, if the individual wishes and gives consent, else it may be kept as a personal record.
For those who would like to create this movie on their own, I shall provide the process-skills and technical know-how, to enable them to create a production. There are good stop-motion software available, many of them free, to do this easily. Those who are interested, please email me at rupavatidasi@yahoo.com
I’m also keen to work with the children in the movement who have been through traumatic experiences.
I’m presently working on a thesis, for an Art Therapy program, with a focus on Stop-motion animation movie making and visual story-telling as therapeutic tools.
Please feel free to have a look at the movies created by students here: https://vimeo.com/user47394944
Much gratitude for your association, as well as that of all the other Vaishnavas here.
Your servant in Srila Prabhupada’s service,
Rupavati Dasi
Hare Krsna Rupavati Devi Dasi !
please accept my ecstatic obeisances !
All Glory to Srila Prabhupada !!!
Thank you sincerely Mataji for revealing your high level of intelligence and realizations to all of us. And also thank you for the link as i read the translation with much appreciation for your time and effort in doing so. i agree with you about the separation, from my view, as imperfect as it is, i can see many sincere souls with no material ambitions being protected and pushing on with The Krsna Consciousness Movement As It Is, with the gifts Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna are dispensing continuously.
Again, thank you wholeheartedly for what you are doing, it is very beautiful to see you utilizing your talents to assist Srila Prabhupada in dispensing Krsna Consciousness. Life is so easy with Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna in the center, and this is how i view my advanced Godsiblings like yourself. When Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna are truthfully in the center, we all get along, because we have the same exact goal, which is assist Srila Prabhupada in the mission He was given by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur. May Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna keep blessing you more and more in Their service. Thank you for all your inspiration Mataji. All Glory to Srila Prabhupada’s devotees !
jason
Jaya Prabhupada !!!
Hare Krishna Jason Prabhu,
Please accept my obeisances. I offer my obeisances to all the Vaisnavas here.
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
Many, many thanks for your kind words of encouragement.
I pray to Srila Prabhupada and to Sri Krishna that this divine mission of Sri Chaitanya, that’s based on absolute personalism of understanding the form and pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His associates in the most transcendentally loving and joyous manner, will permeate all impersonalistic barriers to spread the glories of the Holy Name in devotional service to our Jagad-Guru Srila Prabhupada, the way he had wanted and exemplified.
Srila Prabhupada has given us the most rare and precious gift that must be honoured, cherished and treasured.
“Kṛṣṇa-kathā is “puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ”. If a person only listens, even without understanding anything, it is beneficial.” Srila Prabhupada
This quote is from the series of Srila Prabhupada’s Bengali lectures translated to English for the first time. These lectures were given by Śrīla Pūri Mahārāja and Śrīla Prabhupāda in Mayapura on February 27, 1972 (Śrīla Prabhupāda’s lecture starts at 22:50mins) https://bit.ly/2HhiExZ
My gratitude to you for offering this forum, and an opportunity to share Srila Prabhupada’s divya-vani.
Your servant,
Rupavati Dasi
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well said prabhu anyway justice will be done soon no mercy at all for such nasty usupers of hdg acbsp
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Thank you for your support, Srila Prabhupada would never only allow “elite well educated Indians” and not foreigners in his world wide movement or spend millions of dollars fighting over properties.
Living here in Bangalore 5 years after being rejected by the Bangalore group, I’m now living in a devotee apartment complex next to KRSNA LILA PARK, a huge temple and theme park being built by the Bangalore elite all Indian group.
It’s an amazing project in South Bangalore is with a Akshaya Patra factory that is part of the temple complex on a big hill just like Hare Krsna Hill. This million dollar project is just to entice rich Indians to support and join them, they have signs all over the area calling it “ISKCON”. On the sides of the trucks leaving the food factory everyday, pictures of Srila Prabhupada and his name posted.
Big “Prestige” Mall being built next to it, several huge luxury apartment buildings (Mantri) for the wealthy going up next to the Krsna Lila Park temple and park project. All this land that Bangalore group owned or more precisely “Madhu Pandit family in private trusts”, is being sold for these huge properties, most likely Bangalore group gets a percentage of all wealth working with these huge property owners in INDIA.
The apartment complex that I live in, ISKCON Gokulam Apartments, that the elite Bangalore Group built on 22 acres of land they purchased next to KRSNA LILA PARK have both ISKCON devotees and Bangalore group devotees, all living inside the many apartments, myself included (renting) what is weird, the two sets of devotees DO NOT TALK with each other and do separate programs. Something is definitely wrong with this picture…..
Well said! Yes, ”The Mad Bandit” is just a big thief posing as a big-shot player in Srila Prabhupada’s mission, but nothing he does is based on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions…….UN Illuminati Government “Food Control” programs (Path, Monsanto, Gates, Clinton), Genocidal Vaccination Programs (Path, Gates), Skyscraper Vrindaban Temple Project (and others), mundane “education” promotion (and all the temple “leaders” are college graduate academics)…….how pathetic!
I don’t know why this site promotes this pretender, who is running his own nepotistic family empire on the strength of Srila Prabhupada’s potency and getting ”award after award” for doing it which is a clear sign he is just a ”house nigger” for the Illuminati and a Modi’s bitch! He does not engage with this site or tolerate any discussion on his own site as to his financial plunder of podgey elitist Indian Hindu’s and their “Chutney Mary” wives and over-fed private-school offspring. Yes! when you are a stooge for the Illuminati, all the doors suddenly open and the gravy-train is ”full steam ahead”.
This ”Mad Bandit” is the slimiest invertibrate I have ever encountered, a real hypocrite and grubby materialist. These sleazy toerags fill me with disgust, please get this guys phony profile off this site!
“birds that belong to the same species will form a flock together. Nevertheless, this proverb is metaphorical: it is not literally referring to birds, but to people. Birds of a feather flock together means that similar people will get along”.
I knew something was strange when the only foreigner allowed to associate with Madhu Pandit and his brainwashed devotees and get free rooms at Hare Krsna Hill guesthouse along with giving Srimad Bhagavatam class was his best freind, “Tattva darshan dasa” (Google this name) , a dishonest character posing as a devotee that scams people that come to his s-called Bhaktivedanta eco-village near Udupi (Including me), he is a total psychopath and will deny anything and everything that is posted about him. MPD supports his empty farm and projects, they talk daily.
Yes, I recall this guy and his “Cambodian exploits”, unfortunately I have used up my quota of expletives, but it is no surprise that the “Mad Bandit” is an associate of his, as scum always floats to the top!
Birds of a feather, indeed! Abuse of children and women go hand in hand with abuse of power, cheating, duplicity and psychopathic behavior, as displayed by the Kuru Dynasty in Mahabharata. Unfortunately the world is under the control of such demonic reprobates who control the socio, religious, military, and political dynamic through secret societies and lodges, which are international in their influence and material power.
We all must watch out for personal motive, do NOT come into Lord Chaitanya spiritual movement and start opening a bank account and using the spiritual master assets!
Since the 70’s I’d never received a salary, or use the spiritual master assets to live like a king, that was my saving grace.
Note: Srila Prabhupada’s possession can not be used for ANYONE this will be disaster for those who think they can get away:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brahmana and thereby pollute your whole family. If someone even wishes to possess such property, let alone attempts to take it away by force, the duration of his life will be reduced. He will be defeated by his enemies, and after being bereft of his royal position, when he gives up his body he will become a serpent. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
Just look at the position of this Temple President now who disallowed distribution of Original Srila Prabhupada’s books and —- he is against Ritvik System:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/bhaktivedanta-manor-president-cancer.html
Yes, this rascal Sruti Dharma is going straight to hell for his offences. He is also a lap-dog of the Illuminati, Nazi, Windsor Royal Family who are vampires, child abusers and cannibals.
They are direct descendants of Countess Elizabeth Bathory (Transylvania) and her great uncle Vlad (the impaler) who was also ruler of Transylvania a century before Elizabeth Bathory.
Countess Elizabeth Bathory lured young girls to he castle (or kidnapped them) where she tortured them to death and drank their blood and ate their flesh (this has a very temporary effect of re-energizing the body and promotes longevity), as many as 600 young girls in total were murdered by her.
Bathory’s great uncle Count Vlad (the impaler) was also the ruler of Transylvania a century before Bathory. He murdered thousands of his enemies by impaling them on stakes and is the basis for Bram Stokers Count Dracula. Prince Charles visits this region often (now Romania).
The Duck of Edinburgh was always threatening Princess Diana as she knew about the Windsors demonic nature but she wasn’t intimidated by them. He had MI6 Agent James Andanson murder her in the Palm de Alma tunnel, Paris which used to be an ancient site where Merovingian Kings would carry out human sacrifices. Not long after James Andanson “committed suicide” (yeh, right!) by burning himself to death in his car.
Note: I think—– they have compromised with the bogus gurus. Some deal brokered so that they CHANGE the name RITVIK SYSTEM to something that is giving BOTH sides some COMPROMISE settlement. We do not hear anymore of Court Cases – obvious there is some COMPROMISE settlement otherwise —WHY???? change the RITVIK SYSTEM to something else:
http://www.iskcontimes.com/we-are-not-following-ritvik-system-we-are-following-prabhupadacharya-system/
Unfortunately, if these folks do not accept the RITVIK SYSTEM as ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada (9th July 1977) then they have to accept KARMA KANDA activities which means—– accepting the frutive acts and the RESULTANT Karma (THE SEEDS OF KARMA-BIJA) which awards them the NEXT bodies:
SB 4.29.78 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
While in the subtle body, we create many plans to enjoy sense gratification. These plans are recorded in the spool of one’s mind as bija, the root of fruitive activities. In conditional life the living entity creates a series of bodies one after another, and this is called karma-bandhana. AS EXPLAINED IN BHAGAVAD-GITA (3.9), YAJNARTHAT KARMANO ‘NYATRA LOKO ‘YAM-KARMA-BANDHANAH: IF WE ACT ONLY FOR THE SATISFACTION OF VISNU, THERE IS NO BONDAGE DUE TO MATERIAL ACTIVITY, BUT IF WE ACT OTHERWISE, WE BECOME ENTRAPPED BY ONE MATERIAL ACTIVITY AFTER ANOTHER. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS TO BE SUPPOSED THAT BY THINKING, FEELING AND WILLING, WE ARE CREATING A SERIES OF FUTURE MATERIAL BODIES. IN THE WORDS OF BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA, ANADI KARAMA-PHALE, PADI’ BHAVARNAVA JALE. THE LIVING ENTITY FALLS INTO THE OCEAN OF KARMA-BANDHANA AS A RESULT OF PAST MATERIAL ACTIVITIES. INSTEAD OF PLUNGING ONESELF INTO THE OCEAN OF MATERIAL ACTIVITY, ONE SHOULD ACCEPT MATERIAL ACTIVITY ONLY TO MAINTAIN BODY AND SOUL TOGETHER. The rest of one’s time should be devoted to engaging in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In this way one can attain relief from the reactions of material activity.
Madhya 19.152 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami
Bhakti-lata-bija means “the seed of devotional service.” Everything has an original cause, or seed. For any idea, program, plan or device, there is first of all the contemplation of the plan, and that is called bija, or the seed. The methods, rules and regulations by which one is perfectly trained in devotional service constitute the bhakti-lata-bija, or seed of devotional service. This bhakti-lata-bija is received from the spiritual master by the grace of Krsna. Other seeds are called anyabhilasa-bija, karma-bija and jnana-bija. IF ONE IS NOT FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE THE BHAKTI-LATA-BIJA FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE INSTEAD CULTIVATES THE SEEDS OF KARMA-BIJA, JNANA-BIJA, OR POLITICAL AND SOCIAL OR PHILANTHROPIC BIJA. However, bhakti-lata-bija is different from these other bijas. Bhakti-lata-bija can be received only through the mercy of the spiritual master. Therefore one has to satisfy the spiritual master to get bhakti-lata-bija (yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah). Bhakti-lata-bija is the origin of devotional service. Unless one satisfies the spiritual master, he gets the bija, or root cause, of karma, jnana and yoga without the benefit of devotional service. However, one who is faithful to his spiritual master gets the bhakti-lata-bija. This bhakti-lata-bija is received when one is initiated by the bona fide spiritual master. After receiving the spiritual master’s mercy, one must repeat his instructions, and this is called sravana–kirtana-hearing and chanting. One who has NOT PROPERLY HEARD from the spiritual master OR who does not follow the regulative principles is not fit for chanting (kirtana). This is explained in Bhagavad-gita (2.41): vyavasayatmika buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. ONE WHO HAS NOT LISTENED CAREFULLY TO THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS UNFIT TO CHANT OR PREACH THE CULT OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. One has to water the bhakti-lata-bija after receiving instructions from the spiritual master.
SB 4.25.11 P The Descriptions of the Characteristics of King Puranjana
SRI NAROTTAMA DASA THAKURA HAS SUNG, KARMA-KANDA, JNANA-KANDA, KEVALA VISERA BHANDA: “THE PATH OF KARMA-KANDA [FRUITIVE ACTIVITIES] AND THE PATH OF JNANA-KANDA [SPECULATION] ARE JUST LIKE STRONG POTS OF POISON.” AMRTA BALIYA YEBA KHAYA, NANA YONI SADA PHIRE: “A PERSON WHO MISTAKES THIS POISON TO BE NECTAR AND DRINKS IT TRAVELS IN DIFFERENT SPECIES OF LIFE.” Kadarya bhaksana kare: “And, according to his body, he eats all types of abominable things.” For instance, when the living entity is in the body of a hog, he eats stool. When the living entity is in the body of a crow, he eats all kinds of refuse, even pus and mucus, and enjoys it. Thus Narottama dasa Thakura points out that the living entity travels in different types of bodies and eats all kinds of abominable things. When he does not become ultimately happy, he becomes morose OR takes to the ways of hippies.
Note: to be attached to accepting karma activities means accepting RESULTS of karma which causes ANOTHER material body in NEXT life hence the results are given-up to serve Srila Prabhupada Krsna’s BONA FIDE REPRESENTATIVE with the BARE necessities of life for the purpose of spreading Krsna Consciousness:
74-01-09. Letter: Revatinandana
I know you are a very good cook and I can understand that you have found the books useful for distribution. I have no objection to your printing it with the name “Revatinandana Swami’s Cookbook”, BUT THE ROYALTY SHOULD GO TO THE BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST. JUST AS I AM PUBLISHING BHAGAVAD-GITA AS IT IS WITH MACMILLAN CO. BUT THE ROYALTY IS GOING TO THE BBT. I THINK THIS METHOD IS APPROPRIATE. IF YOU YOURSELF TAKE THE ROYALTY IT WILL BE PERSONAL INTEREST IN MONEY AND TRADE, AND THIS WILL DEVIATE YOUR PRINCIPLE OF SANNYASA. Sannyasi means he is in renounced order and lives by begging alms for the BARE necessities of life. It is not good to make trade to get money for personal expenditure. If the royalty is given to the BBT, we will keep a separate account from this royalty and necessary expenditures for your preaching may be supplied from the BBT.
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This is Vedic instruction.
SO VISVANATHA CAKRAVARTI THAKURA, IN CONNECTION WITH THE VERSE, VYAVASAYATMIKA-BUDDHIR EKEHA KURU-NANDANA, NISCAYATMIKA-BUDDHIH… SO VISVANATHA CAKRAVARTI THAKURA SAYS THAT “THE INSTRUCTION WHICH I HAVE RECEIVED FROM MY SPRITUAL MASTER, THAT IS MY LIFE AND SOUL.” THIS IS CALLED NISCAYATMIKA-BUDDHIH, MEANS ASSURANCE: “WHATEVER I HAVE RECEIVED, THE ORDER FROM MY SPIRITUAL MASTER, THAT WILL GIVE ME SALVATION.” OR EVEN NO SALVATION. IT DOESN’T MATTER. A REAL DEVOTEE, A SERVANT, DOES NOT EXPECT ANYTHING, BUT KARYAM: “IT IS MY DUTY. IT IS MY DUTY.” IF ONE TAKES IN SUCH SPIRIT… ANASRITAH KARMA-PHALAM KARYAM KARMA KAROTI YA. KARYAM. KARYAM MEANS “IT IS MY DUTY. IT MUST BE DONE. THAT’S MY DUTY.” WITHOUT ANY RESULT. ANASRITA-KARMA-PHALAM. KARMA-PHALAM. EVERY ACTION, THERE IS A RESULT. BAD OR GOOD, IT DOESN’T MATTER. THERE MUST BE SOME RESULT. SO ANASRITAH KARMA-PHALAM. DON’T TAKE SHELTER OF THE RESULT OF YOUR WORK. Generally we work; if the result is very good, then we like to work. If the result is not very good, then we don’t like to work. But a devotee should not take…(Aside:) Why you are moving so fast?
Devotee: I have got difficulty in my body. So I stand…
Prabhupada: So by moving you shall be cured?
Devotee: Well… I’m sorry.
Prabhupada: ANASRITAH KARMA-PHALAM KARYAM KARMA KAROTI YAH. DO NOT TAKE SHELTER OF YOUR RESULT OF YOUR ACTIVITIES. YOU MUST TAKE IT AS DUTY. HE IS SANNYASI. ANASRITAM KARMA-PHALAM KARYAM KARMA KAROTI YAH, SA SANNYASI. HE’S ACTUALLY SANNYASI. A SANNYASI DOES NOT BECOME SIMPLY BY CHANGING DRESS. NO. SANNYASI MEANS HE’S TO WORK FOR KRSNA. WITHOUT TAKING SHELTER OF THE RESULT. IT DOESN’T MATTER. “KRSNA HAS ORDERED, AND KRSNA’S REPRESENTATIVE HAS ORDERED. THEREFORE I HAVE TO DO IT.” KARYAM KARMA KAROTI YAH. SA SANNYASI.
Bhagavad -Gita As It Is Chapter 6 text 1
sri-bhagavan uvaca
ANASRITAH KARMA-PHALAM
karyam karma karoti yah
sa sannyasi ca yogi ca
na niragnir na cakriyah
SYNONYMS
sri-bhagavan uvaca–the Lord said; anasritah–without shelter; karma-phalam–the result of work; karyam–obligatory; karma–work; karoti–performs; yah–one who; sah–he; sannyasi–in the renounced order; ca–also; yogi–mystic; ca–also; na–not; nih–without; agnih–fire; na–nor; ca–also; akriyah–without duty.
TRANSLATION
The Blessed Lord said: One who is unattached to the fruits of his work and who works as he is obligated is in the renounced order of life, and he is the true mystic: not he who lights no fire and performs no work.
PURPORT
In this chapter the Lord explains that the process of the eightfold yoga system is a means to control the mind and the senses. However, this is very difficult for people in general to perform, especially in the age of Kali. Although the eightfold yoga system is recommended in this chapter, the Lord emphasizes that the process of karma-yoga, or acting in Krsna consciousness, is better. EVERYONE ACTS IN THIS WORLD TO MAINTAIN HIS FAMILY AND THEIR PARAPHERNALIA, BUT NO ONE IS WORKING WITHOUT SOME SELF-INTEREST, SOME PERSONAL GRATIFICATION, BE IT CONCENTRATED OR EXTENDED. THE CRITERION OF PERFECTION IS TO ACT IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, AND NOT WITH A VIEW TO ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF WORK. To act in Krsna consciousness is the duty of every living entity because all are constitutionally parts and parcels of the Supreme. The parts of the body work for the satisfaction of the whole body. The limbs of the body do not act for self-satisfaction but for the satisfaction of the complete whole. Similarly, the living entity who acts for satisfaction of the supreme whole and not for personal satisfaction is the perfect sannyasi, the perfect yogi.
The sannyasis sometimes artificially think that they have become liberated from all material duties, and therefore they cease to perform agnihotra yajnas (fire sacrifices), but actually they are self-interested because their goal is becoming one with the impersonal Brahman. Such a desire is greater than any material desire, but it is not without self-interest. Similarly, the mystic yogi who practices the yoga system with half-open eyes, ceasing all material activities, desires some satisfaction for his personal self. But a person acting in Krsna consciousness works for the satisfaction of the whole, without self-interest. A Krsna conscious person has no desire for self-satisfaction. His criterion of success is the satisfaction of Krsna, and thus he is the perfect sannyasi, or perfect yogi. Lord Caitanya, the highest perfectional symbol of renunciation, prays in this way:
na dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam va jagad-isa kamaye
mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi
“O Almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor to enjoy beautiful women. Nor do I want any number of followers. What I want only is the causeless mercy of Your devotional service in my life, birth after birth.”
Mahesh Raja Prabhu: Note: I think – they have compromised with bogus gurus.
Yes, this is a fact but most of these bogus ”gurus” are idiots and don’t know anything, so you have to look at the key players, Ford, Jayapataka, Bhakti Caru, Radhanath, Gopal Krishna, Bhavananda etc. “The Wizard of Oz” is an Illuminati based movie. Ford and Bacis are both “Friends of Dorothy” (look that one up!), but Ford is actually The Wizard as it is he that is pulling all the strings but is always ‘in the shadows’ just like Rothschild and the intelligence operatives (CIA MI5/6, Mossad etc).
”Food control” is an initiative coming straight from the Round Table of which the UN, CFR (US), Trilateral Commission, CIA, MI5/6, Mossad, etc etc. This is being undertaken (in India) by the alliance between the Ford Foundation and the CIA. See ……..Ford Foundation, a Philathropic Facade of the CIA.
There is also mountains of information of the Ford Foundations close links to the Rockerfeller Foundation, Carnegie Foundation and their promotion of “population control” and eugenics. Ford did a complete back-flip in the investigation over the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. Was his initial ”support” just spin? Did he have already some involvement with Bacis? Or did he become aware that the heat was now on Bacis because of the poison whispers? These are all questions that need to be answered.
Annamrita “food” program is supported by the Ford Foundation. Ford (Ambarish) is listed as being on the Advisory Board of the ARTHA FORUM Group together with Radha Krishna Das, who is the Managing Director of Annamrita Foundation. In this position Ambarish is representing the FORD FOUNDATION.
Akshaya Patra’s US chapter has on it’s Advisory Board Narayana Murthy (INFOSYS Founder), who is also a member of the UN (Foundation) and the FORD FOUNDATION! His wife Sudha Murthy “actively facilitates the midday meal program” She also works for the Gates Foundation. So here is a clear connection between Akshaya Patra and The FORD FOUNDATION (which Ambarish is representing) and let us not forget that the Ford Foundation and the CIA have been ”joined at the hip” FOR WELL OVER HALF A CENTURY!
The Ford Foundation has also a long history of Illuminati affiliations including the Nazi Party!. The present head of the Ford Foundation is (gay) CFR member Darren Walker. Former president Susan Beresford (1996-2007) was also a member of the Trilateral Commission (created by the Rockerfellers).
Another former president was McGeorge Bundy {1966-1979} (Bundy is one of the worlds 13 Illuminati bloodlines). He (together with his father and brother) were members of the ”Skull & Bones Brotherhood of Death!”
The poisoning of Srila Prabhupada (and his movement), together with the destruction of his books and complete control over temple properties is all directed by the Illuminati agents of the Round Table. The CIA and Ford Foundation are just instruments of this world-wide Illuminati construct and are implementing this ”Food Control” model in India (and other places), just as they did in India during The East India Company and also during WW2. Please do not get bogged down into this ”Ritvik or not Ritvik!” argument and “bogus guru” debate WITHOUT SEEING THE BIG PICTURE!
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE “MAD BANDIT” AND FISKCON! THEY HAVE ONLY CREATED THIS “TWEEDLE-DUM TWEEDLE- DEE” SCENARIO TO FOOL EVERYONE! THIS IS HOW THE ”HEGELIAN DIALECTIC” WORKS! BUT IN REALITY IT IS THE SAME THIEVES AND ROGUES RUNNING THE SHOW! YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE, NOT SOME IDIOT BOGUS GURU THAT DOESN’T KNOW ANYTHING………..WHO IS THE WIZARD? WHO IS REALLY IN CONTROL? WHO IS ALMOST INVISIBLE? ENGAGED IN MORE BENIGN ACTIVITIES LIKE TOVP?
Hare Krsna Sudarsan prabhu, yes regrettably these are the facts.
With regards the Annamrita “food” program, we can refer to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur’s Jaiva Dharma Part 1, Chapter V111, entitled “Eternal Religion and Conduct of Life”.
Here the Thakur narrates the discussion between Vaisnavas, young Nityanandadas and Haridas Babaji Mahasaya: (NB.. NOT Lord Nityananda & Haridas Thakur)
“Nityanandadas: Should many Vaisnavas assemble together and hold a festival of taking ‘Prasad’?
Haridas: Many Vaisnavas have assembled together on some occasions and a second class householder Vaisnava desires to feed them with holy ‘Prasad’; in that case there cannot be any objection from the spiritual point of view.
But it is not good to make much ado to feed the Vaisnavas; that looks like something born of pride and power. The saintly Vaisnavas should be fed with respect and care; that is the duty. Thereby the Vaisnavas will be honored. If one wishes to feed the Vaisnavas, only pure Vaisnavas should be invited.
Nityanandadas: In our Baragachi a separate sect named ‘Vaisnava-offspring’ has come into being. The householder 3rd class Vaisnavas invite them and feed them; is this action proper?
Haridas: Have those Vaisnava children imbibed pure devotion?
Nityanandadas: I don’t find pure devotion in all of them. Some of them introduce themselves as Vaisnavas only; some also wear loin cloth.
Haridas: I cannot say why this custom is getting vogue. This should not go into practice. This happens only because a third class Vaisnava has no power to recognize a true Vaisnava.
Nityanandadas: Is a Vaisnava-offspring to receive any special honor if only an ordinary man?
Haridas: Then he should be considered as an ordinary man; he should not be considered or honored as a Vaisnava. “I am a Brahman, I am well-to-do, I am versed in the Sastras, I am a Vaisnava, I have relinquished home, let others honor me on account of the status I am in” — this sort of vanity should be shunned.
Nityanandadas: It seems from this that one cannot be a Vaisnava without humility and mercy.
Haridas: Quite true!”
Of course, Srila Prabhupada ensured that we distribute pure Krsna Prasad to as many receptive souls as possible; in this current time, that being maybe their only chance of good fortune. However this is far removed from the “mass feeding of hungry people” for PAD!
Yfs,
Balaram das.
Many thanks, Balaram Prabhu for these Shastric references from HDG Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur’s Jaiva Dharma.
It is one that is most relevant regarding this demonic “Food Control” mundane political directive which is a common aspect of BOTH “Rottenaths Annamrita” and the ”Mad Bandit’s Akshaya Patra” BOTH UNDER THE CONTROL OF FORD FOUNDATION with strong, long established association with Round Table, NWO power mongers and all THE USUAL SUSPECTS.
No doubt Ford Foundation’s Ambarish and MPD’s meeting, not so long ago was to solidify this CONNECTION! Yes! and reinforce their commitment to these illuminati forces for political control, whilst at the SAME TIME creating the illusion that BOTH THEIR DIRECTIONS ARE DIFFERENT!…..WELL THIS IS THE PROOF THAT THEY ARE NOT! JUST THE SAME WINE IN A DIFFERENT BOTTLE! THAT’S ALL! THIS IS HOW THE ‘HEGELIAN DIALECTIC’ WORKS.
WHEN THE ILLUMINATI INFILTRATE, SUBDUE, AND DESTROY AN ORGANIZATION FROM THE INSIDE, THIS CREATES “OPPOSITION” (THIS IS AN ALL TOO FAMILIAR THEME). THIS OPPOSITION CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THEM, SO USING THEIR VAST WEALTH AND CONNECTIONS, “THEY THEN CREATE AND CONTROL” THE OPPOSITION BY CHANNELING THAT SUPPORT (IN OUR CASE THE RITVIK PROCESS). BUT THIS IS ONLY “TOKENISM” AS THE “OPPOSITION” (THE MAD BANDIT!) IS BEING DIRECTED, FUNDED AND CONTROLLED “BY THE SAME ENTITY!” AND BY TRICKERY CHANNELS “AND DIVERTS” THAT OPPOSITION BACK UNDER THEIR CONTROL.
This is just another function of the ‘Hegelian Dialectic’ and the oldest trick in the book. For years I have been exposing this “Mad Bandit”, (and his slimy Illuminati cohorts) but at the same time coming under attack myself, for doing so. I just hope that devotees can understand what is going on here and learn from this. We have all at some stage become the victim of this cheating and deception (myself being no exception!) so it is very important that we analyze this thoroughly as Sri Krishna is giving this opportunity to see the ”writing on the wall.”
Neither GBC or MPD are following Srila Prabhupada’s direction, this is just a sham and blatant hypocrisy. These persons are demons, thieves and grubby materialists and will have to suffer such hellish condition for stealing the property of vaisnavas (as Mahesh Raja Prabhu has nicely explained in the story of King Nrga).
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
I will speak my mind THANK YOU for your support and excellent reply.
5 years here in Bangalore and going to major ISKCON temples like Juhu, Mayapur and Vrindavan for devotee association and festivals (no gurus or misleaders please), what do I see every time?
Bangalore MPD brainwashed devotees that were either booted, expelled or just blooped taking re-initiation from ISKCON fake gurus!
Amazing, these were devotees serving on Hare Krsna Hill for many many years, all taking rivik initiations 1st & 2nd becoming direct disciples of Srila Prabhupada, once they leave this cult, they go to the bogus gurus for shelter and food/lodging. This shows how the Bangalore group uses devotees mostly for collecting money and NOT trained up right.
Maybe that is why they do NOT allow western devotees in their cult, we are not that stupid to believe Madhu Pandit is the all powerful Godman, who is a JPS disciple that worshiped JPS for 12 years before thinking that he wants a piece of the pie and using the rivik order to do it..
Padma Shri the big India award given to MPD, was orchestrated with brides. MPD needed this award for getting the rich Hindus donations and to bring in more money for his private trusts.
MPD fights anyone with his lawyers, paid quite well from donations from his rich hindus donors, he actually had his lawyers put 13 bogus claims, including sex charges on his leading competitor, a temple president of ISKCON here in Bangalore, ALL were thrown out by the courts, this is how money corrupts, do NOT get in the way of MPD, he wants to be the biggest Godman in INDIA.
Here is how Srila Prabhupada revealed all this me, and I am not perfect, believe me, had my troubles like the rest of us, trying to be a honest man & a good disciple of Srila Prabhupada (better late than never) now in my old age living in INDIA. A devotee moved in near me who was #3 man with the Bangalore group, expelled after 20 years of service by his best freind MPD! He was collecting millions of dollars all over the world and one of the founders of Akshaya patra & a temple president of one of the Bangalore group of temples, residing over many Rivik initiations. He now hates this Bandit big time & even has a court case against MPD, he spilled the beans as they say, w/ brides and how MPD and his close family members have millions in dollars and properties in their private trusts. Thank you Prabhupada! MPD must be working with the fake gurus, he doesn’t help Prabhupadanugas fighting BBT for holding 5000 sets of KBI printed Srimad Bhagavatams hostage in New Delhi or even wants to sell or store KBI books that Jitarati das prints. He keeps his hands and money away from helping Prabhupadanugas and our book distribution.
WHY???? change the RITVIK SYSTEM to something else:
http://www.iskcontimes.com/we-are-not-following-ritvik-system-we-are-following-prabhupadacharya-system/
So, GBC passes a resolution that gurus have no authority to instruct their disciples regarding their service. They end up passing this kind of resolutions to eject the gurus. Thus the gurus are unwillingly following the ritvik system. They have no authority. They are forced to do it.
Either the institution system should be there or guru system should be there. When Prabhupada was there, both were one.
Srila Prabhupada has blessed us and we are very fortunate that we have a wonderful, open, freely followed Prabhupadacharya system.
In fact we shouldn’t even call this a ritvik system. We have to call it the Prabhupada-acharya system. We are from the Acharya sampradaya just like Madhvacharya and Ramanujacharya sampradayas. We are following Prabhupadacharya system.
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“Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.”
(Letter to Hansadutta July 10th /31st 1977)
From the above cited Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions, He instructs the followers / devotees to become ritvik and act on His behalf.
So the question is why we have to call it the Prabhupada-acharya system ?
Do the people NOT read and understand when MPD says ; ” Either the institution system should be there or guru system should be there. When Prabhupada was there, both were one. ”
Is it not very obvious that the name of the institution system given as ” ritvik ” by Srila Prabhupada’s instructions quoted above ?
Where does Srila Prabhupada says to call the institution system ” Prabhupada-acharya system ” ?
What kind of smoke screen MPD is creating in his message ?
What kind of an AUTHORITY he has to change the name at his own whims to best suit his hidden agenda ? OR
Is he, perhaps, avoiding to prolong the legal case he and his team already involved in with the Fiskcon in order to fulfil his mission ?
Only the time may reveal it.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Note: the attempt seems to somehow HIDE the word RITVIK to REPLACE the name RITVIK SYSTEM with some new manufacture. This is NOT going to be accepted by those who have a VERY clear understanding as per July 9th 1977 ORDER from Srila Prabhupada to have RITVIK —REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA in the Ritvik System:
RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.
Srila Prabhupada’s 07-09-77, Letter to All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents:
“Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik–representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
(Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears in the original)
This July 9th 1977 letter was never revoked by Srila Prabhupada. This being the case, all the newly initiated devotees are disciples of his Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada for as long as ISKCON exists. Without the RITVIK SYSTEM there is NO WAY for ANY initiations in ISKCON. THIS is the ONLY system Srila Prabhupada had in place for initiations—FACT!!!!!
770719rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: And nobody is going to disturb you there. MAKE YOUR OWN FIELD AND CONTINUE TO BECOME RTTVIK AND ACT ON MY CHARGE. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice.
77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. HIS DIVINE GRACE HAS SO FAR GIVEN A LIST OF ELEVEN DISCIPLES WHO WILL ACT IN THAT CAPACITY:
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
That is of course very true Mahesh Raja Prabhu.
We see that there are persons who were directly initiated by Srila Prabhupada, when he was with us in his physical form (vapu)and others who were initiated by him by mail and Ritvik ceremony was performed by someone representing him. And still Ritvik ceremonies are performed by others (including Madhu Pandit) after Srila Prabhupada’s physical departure. All of these initiation processes (all completely authorized by Srila Prabhupada) as stated many times……ALL BECOME ‘COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS’ UNLESS ONE IS STRICTLY FOLLOWING THE COURSE AND DIVINE INSTRUCTIONS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA!
This word jugglery by the Mad Bandit is a cunning attempt to try and “sanitize” the word Ritvik in the eyes of fools and rascals, who have used this word in a ‘derogatory context’ even though the word Ritvik was used quite authoritatively by Srila Prabhupada to describe the process to be followed, carried on and remaining in force after his physical departure….Ritvik Yes! as Prabhupada said!
As the GBC and the “Mad Bandit” DO NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION OR CARE ABOUT THE PROPER DIRECTION OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S MOVEMENT, such processes of initiation (however authorized they seem on the surface) ARE COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS, AS THE FORMALITY OF THE INITIATION PROCESS IS A ‘DECLARATION TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE ACHARYA’, who is Srila Prabhupada!
Hare Krsna dear Sudarsana Prabhu
reference: 8. April 2018 at 2:25 am
I like your writings but Romania annexed Transylvania because this area is agricultural pantry of Carpatian basin and they need food .
Here before it Romanian people did never live. ( Romanian people are not ancient Roman people.) Here Székely people lived /live and Romania hated ancient Hungarian empire with Transylvania.
Therefore they made bogus legends for example from Elisabeth Bathory and they made person of count Dracula . You can visit Dracula castle in Tolcsvar.This is good tourist business. But that is bogus.
I am very sorry but this is true.
Hare Krsna
Yes, you are correct about Dracula (Bram Stoker) story being bogus as he wrote a ”fictional” story based on true characters. Actually Bathory’s castle is in Slovakia (formally upper Hungary) and still stands today. Vlad Tepes ruled Wallachia (a region of the Balkans) which is now southern Romania but I am not aware of the location of his castle/s or whether it/they still exist.
Vlad Tepes was a member of the ‘Order Of The Dragon’ which was a Teutonic (Satanic) order which probably originated from the Knights Templar as the Templars fractured all through Europe and in some countries went underground, so formed other orders such as the 33 degree Scottish Rite Illuminati, Roslyn Scotland, The Knights of Christ etc etc or were also absorbed into the Knights Hospitalers. This phenomena is the ‘burning of the phoenix’ (which is worshiped by the Satanic Illuminati) only to be “re-born” again as another (but same) entity or organization.
I agree that there are many who say that the crimes committed by Tepes and Bathory were just “a political attempt to discredit these persons, or that these were just political lies between countries interests” but I do not really buy that argument as the Templars and ‘Order of the Dragon’ (which are really one and the same!) are secret Satanic entities with a long history of mass murder, cannibalism, child abuse/sacrifice and torture. The countries in question here Slovakia, the Balkans Hungary have a very long history of hatred of their near neighbors and an intense, fanatical nationalistic fervor which tends to overshadow any criticism of their ‘own countries transgressions!’ or any slur on their ”Nations Hero’s” (even if they were the cruelest of mass murderers).
The present media’s films and TV productions of the Knights Templars falsely portray them as some sort of wonderful, heroic characters, “Christian heroes” protecting the poor and downtrodden like the Cisco Kid or Robin Hood and not the pathological, Satanic mass murderers, thieves and tyrants that plundered the middle-eastern countries during the Crusades.
Thank you for your thoughts Prabhu.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krsna, dear Sudarsana Prabhu,
I would not get distracted from Krsna Consciousness here.
So only one note and forgive me please:
You used heavy words and I see you do not know these counrties’ history properly . I think you have got big material knowledge but this is also danger because there are different sources.
Hare Krsna
Hare Krishna, Thank you For your input Marici Prabhu.
What you have said made me look into this more deeply. Vlad Tepes’ castle (Poinari, Romania) is still mostly in tact even though part of it collapsed in the late 19th century, due to an earthquake and in earlier years some neglect had taken its toll. It would seem that due to his karma he was born into a terrible situation of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” and suffered a lot by traitors around him. He was imprisoned at several stages in his life, he was slandered by the Saxons. His father and other family were murdered by his own wealthy countrymen, who neglected the country and allowed it to be run by rogues and thieves whilst he was imprisoned by the Ottomans. Also his own brother was a traitor who became a vassal of the Muslims and he was betrayed by Matthias Corvius, King of Hungary! It is also a fact that many of Vlad’s enemies also impaled their victims, so this cannot just be attributed to him.
There is definitely a lot of back-stabbing and skullduggery going on and this can be attributed to Teutonic secret societies, underpinned by Satanism which most rulers were members of which came about through the Knights Templar. It is said that Countess Elizabeth Bathory was trained up with Satanism (but this doesn’t necessarily mean she murdered 600 girls) but it is a well known fact that The Lutherans were also created from the Satanic Knights Templar to destroy Catholicism. The Templars were actually Crypto Jews, who posed as Christians about the time of the first Crusades (11th and 12th century) and engaged in commerce, usury and banking (which is the business of the Jews).
Countess Elizabeth Bathory could very well have been stitched up by her political enemies (and the Lutherans also) as she was a Calvinist (which the Lutherans wanted to stamp out) so there are a whole range of dodgy things going on at the same time. Also I agree that the gruesome stories about Countess Bathory could have been exaggerated, although cannibalism was very common in those times, particularly in relation to Satanism (what to speak of today, which is much more secretive).
I don’t think that these things are a ”departure” from Krishna Consciousness as it is necessary to understand the demonic material dynamic to avoid becoming a victim of it (which unfortunately most people are, including so-called devotees!) and as a brahminical society it is necessary to understand the 4 Varnas as well as the 4 Asramas. The world runs on evil and this is a result of ignorance which is why most people are powerless and are reduced to being victims.
Thank you again for your valuable insights.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Here we go again with the extended conspiracies that takes the heat from the actual conspirators like Bhakti Charu,Tamal and the rest. Illuminati,Rockefeller,Zionists,Rothschild,the Masons..etc…You let a few weeks go and it reappears again. Give it up with your agendas, man. We have nothing to do with these secret societies or Hitler.
Yes, of course we don’t, but they (Bhakti Charu, Tamal Krishna etc) do! This is obvious to anyone with only minute intelligence as this infiltration, cooperation, and ongoing support, access with these ‘dark forces’ proves inconclusively, since the very beginning of the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. The fact that the vast majority cannot see this is the very reason why this has been going on for thousands of years as the world is full of fools and rascals who ‘cannot connect the dots’, or see any connection. These fools and rascals I call “coincidence theorists” if you want to count yourself among them then that is your business.
I can tell you honestly that I don’t think that Elvis lives down the end of my street!, but if you want to dismiss me with your superior intellect and knowledge, then you should come up with ‘the goods’ yourself’, and not your usual predictable guff and ignorance or just be quiet and listen!
Rising Sun By George Harrison
“On the street are villians taken for a ride, you can have the Devil as a guide”
Hare Krsna, dear Sudarsana Prabhu,
Yes, these connections are not baseless. These things are so unthinkable for us in a such similar way as Srila Prabhupada’s teaching is unthinkable for atheist people nowadays.
Of course many devotees take a fright at satanist acts and therefore refuse possibility of their existing. So one has to know his own needs in his spiritual life.
I think your readers are lucky because you are able to deal with these themes instead of them.
For my part thank you very much.
Hare Krsna
You personal bogus alarming agendas have nothing to do with Krsna Consciousness. Give it up. You are creating a distraction from our real business.
FACTS when brought out certainly creates distraction and disturbance from our real business of cultivating Krsna Consciousness. No doubt about it because people continue to live in that pollutions regardless.
BUT the FACTS must be presented for the benefits of sincere and serious souls who wish to engage in REAL business in order to take heed, and NOT to get distracted by the inevitable material calamities being imposed by the THREE Fold miseries of ONE which comes from the living entities in the form of LEADERS be a Religious, Political and Social circles in which the REAL business with Krsna Consciousness to be conducted as revealed in the Shastras.
So I wonder what kind of a personal bogus alarming agendas Vadiraja Prabhu is referring to ?
Hare Krsna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Vadiraja
i have some questions i hope you will take the time to answer.
We are instructed by Srila Prabhupada to understand Bhagavad-gita As It Is as Sri Arjuna understands it. As we know from studying Bhagavad-gita As It Is, Sri Arjuna requested the Supreme Personality of Godhead Sri Krsna to place his chariot in the midst of the two armies. According to Sri Arjuna it was so he could see the military arrangements and also who he would have to fight. so the first question is, do you agree ?
now in today’s battle with kali and kali celas, do we not have to do the same following in the footprints of Sri Arjuna ? are we not supposed to identify the kali celas and their strengths and weakness and how they are influencing, programing, conditioning people for their own temporary sense gratification, leading the masses straight to hell ? Srila Prabhupada certainly followed Sri Arjuna’s footprints, railing against and exposing the jackals, known as nasa, scientists, “national” governments, philosophers, poets, artists, motion picture promoters, fake avataras, sahajiyists, mayavadis, etc. etc. the dacoit kings in the battle of Kuruksetra were also of this calibre and mindset mentioned above if i am not mistaken, and that is why there was a purge.
Also, are you not aware that these current ceo’s presidents, philosophers, mayavadis, etc. etc. etc., who have zero to no Krsna Consciousness, just like the so called kings in the battle of Kuruksetra, are the ones causing all the problems for all the living entities by promoting kali’s doctrine of godlessness, through greed, intoxication, illicit sex, meat eating and gambling ? i am curious to know how one can engage in battle if they don’t know who they are fighting nor where to send the artillery. can you please answer this. Scoping out the other side is called reconnaissance in military terms as is a very dangerous occupation, most always performed by special operators, not grunts.
Sudarsana Prabhu, being a fearless and noble soul, is doing this reconnaissance, and is passing on information to enlighten people about the camps of today’s duryodhona’s, identifying them, who, by misusing their free will, are causing lots of extra ordinary pain and misery for all the living entities on these islands we call earth. Srila Prabhupada did the same.
Ultimately Sudarsana Prabhu is validated by Sastra. Sri Isopanisad Mantra 11 states thus
“Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.”
so the last question is do you agree with Sastra ?
Again i hope you have the time to clarify these questions to an aspiring Prabhupadanuga, and also all the Prabhupadanugas who look at this site as a Temple inspired by Srila Prabhupada, and who utilize this association to press on with Real Krsna Consciousness.
also i do have one more request, i am unsure of your background or delegation or allegiance, since this is the platform for anonymity, but i am asking you personally, as humbly as i can muster, to please leave Sudarsana Prabhu alone, as he is doing, and preaching as Sastra requests, on behalf of Srila Prabhupada.
regards,
a nobody named jason walter
Jaya Prabhupada !!!
Thank you, Jason Prabhu. I am humbled by your comments about me and appreciate your understanding and explanations from the Bhagavad Gita, particularly when Arjuna and Krishna are positioning themselves between the two armies so as to clearly understand the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy. Of course this is all lila and there is no fault on the part of the Pandavas in relation to them becoming the victims of cheating, offense, abuse (particularly Draupadi) attempted assassination (House of Lac) and unjust banishment (due to enviousness of their qualified position).
In light of Srila Prabhupada’s order, with respect to establishing the “2nd phase” of his transcendental mission ‘VARNASHRAMA’ such knowledge of the ‘4 Varna’s’ is critical. This pastime of The Lord (at the battle of Kurukshetra) of course is ‘most in particular’ related to the Varna of the ‘KSHATRIYAS’ (which include kings, officers,soldiers, political administrators, police, judiciary etc etc). It is of course the business of the brahmanas to have an extensive knowledge of this dynamic in order to dispense the proper advise to uphold dharma and social harmony to advance the spiritual advancement of all members of society.
Just as some Vaishnava brahmanas are very expert in Vaishya activities of agriculture, cow protection, business etc THESE THINGS SHOULD NOT BE NEGLECTED with the view that they are EXTERNAL as the varnashrama system itself IS AN EXTERNAL CONSTRUCT! The administration of the whole world is in control of demons (and ISKCON and the Vaisnava community is a part of this) so it is vital that this socio-political, toxic manifestation of Adharma is deconstructed, taken apart and analyzed so that persons NOT REMAIN VICTIMS OF THE LIES AND DECEIT THAT THIS ABERRATION CONTINUALLY MANIFESTS IN ORDER TO POLLUTE AND BRAINWASH THE HAPLESS UNFORTUNATES OF THIS WORLD!
I am particularly disposed to this Kshatriya aspect as my ancestors were Anglo Norman Knights, Barons and administrators since William the Conqueror who built many castles in Ireland in the medieval times. At least a dozen or so were knighted and continued to rule and hold Baronies in the Wexford region of Ireland for over 5 centuries but were decimated by the usurper Oliver Cromwell in the mid 1600s. This of course is all history, but by studying these events one can clearly see that history is just constantly being repeated (and the story is constantly being distorted!).
There are many modern parallels here as Cromwell (”Protestant”) a Crypto-Jew was actually financed by Jewish banker Fernandez Carvajal (Amsterdam) and assisted by Potuguese Ambassador De Souza (a Marrano, secret Jew) to create his Model Army, behead Charles1st, destroy the Catholics and allow the Jews BACK INTO ENGLAND. Previously the Jews had been expelled from England (in 1290) by Edward 1st, not for the practice of usury, but for murdering (by crucifixion) Christian children in Jewish, Satanic “sacrifices!” Of course the Irish Catholics had been, long before this ‘infiltrated by Satanists and Crypto-Jews (The Knights Templar and their creation The Cistercian Order).
The Round Table, UN it’s affiliates and many powerful entities in the Illuminati which are financed by the Rothschilds have a stranglehold on the world and most definitely FISKCON is no exception to this, one only has to ”follow the money!” For someone to dismiss or deny these obvious facts is the height of stupidity and ignorance and is just a clear indication of a lifetime of conditioning and social manipulation meant primarily for the enslaved, comatose, population!
The obvious bogus agenda to force us to accept conspiracy theories,beyond our control and concerns,and remotely connect them with the GBC . Gramya Katha,that may be good for entertainment,but when it comes to learn our philosophy,we have no use for. That’s what i mean by personal agenda.
Whether or not ONE accepts or rejects the conspiracy theories which are beyond our control BUT certainly concerns as to how it effects and how it effects further determines the Real business with Krsna Consciousness which directions to go in order to continue taking path for cultivation Krsna Consciousness as instructed and predicted by our Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada for Ten thousands years to go.
So becoming aware of these impediments of conspiracy theories of all kinds which are certainly a pollution of smoke screen, one must be aware of it ALL the times so that we may stay on the right path of learning our Krsna consciousness philosophy of Srila Prabhupada NOT with the GBC or Gramya Katha some sort as you, Vadiraja prabhu pointed out which does not become to an aspiring young devoted follower of Srila Prabhupada such as your goodself.
Hope it meets you satisfactory.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
vadiraja
ill answer your comment first with the following,
demons are demons, Demigods are Demigods, both from the same Prajapati Father, different Motherly Wombs, remotely connected, one can take the mentality of the other, not a personal agenda.
And no worries on not answering the questions posted last time. i don’t get taken seriously often, actually hardly ever, people just ignore me, so i have become adept to this. it doesn’t effect or affect me, doesn’t change anything about me, i keep moving in the direction of Home, Back to Godhead, regardless of fast or slow.
i was just curious and trying to ascertain if i have been studying Srila Prabhupada’s Original Gita wrongly according to what was being posted, i was under the impression to differentiate who is God, who is not God, who is for God, and who is against God and His Devotees, who is obeying instructions from God or His Representative, and who is not. i am not so highly realized to see all the same. Probably never will be, nor do i hanker to be. i just try my best to follow an Authentic Authority of Sri Krsna’s, Srila Prabhupada, whose instructions haven’t been “stepped on” and who has stated that if one can’t distinguish between a demon and a devotee, then they will make no progress in Krsna consciousness.
i’m theorizing that by so doing, making this distinction, knowing sin vs devotional service, and who is acting in what capacity, and then speaking about them in tandem, one who does so is a gramya katha or a conspiracy theorist ? Seems to be implausible to make that a union but fair enough. Nevertheless, due to possessing a subordinate consciousness, i am joyful and content in knowing the difference and speaking about it on the account of Sri Krsna, throwing away my personal likes and dislikes.
From my studies Sri Arjuna was first concerning His likes and dislikes and therefore participating internally and externally in what is known as gramy katha because he didn’t want to partake in a fight where His teachers, His Grandfather, His cousins, His uncles, His friends, His brothers, were scattered on both sides. That calculation was due to His sense gratification propensity according to material estimates, and He was chastised by Sri Krsna for doing so. But then He fought in the battle regardless of His personal opinion, due to being a pure devotee and personal friend of Sri Krsna, and desiring to fulfill Sri Krsna’s requests.
Again Srila Prabhupada distinguished between the demons and devotees, as mentioned in the previous post and validated by listening to His Vani or reading His Purports, where He discriminates between those in the material modes and those in transcendence. the modern day battlefield, just like then 5000 + years ago, is Krsnaized because Sri Krsna, in His Channa Avatara form as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, desires, from my studies of Revealed Scriptures, the four pillars of sinful life to be extinguished like yesterday. This is only done by seeing both sides, sin vs devotional service, and this difference is clearly enunciated when one starts the process of surrendering to Srila Prabhupada, studying the Revealed Scriptures He translated and their further explanations, and putting into motion His requests. just my experience
so i guess i am curious to know as to how is this done if we are speaking to those in the material modes of nature and can’t relate to them in their current circumstances and experiences and therefore can’t build a rapport with them and explain to them the difference between the Truth and the lies. i’ve spoken with numerous Godsiblings and this does come up, and the response is alcohol/tobacco/coffee factories, slaughterhouses, brothels, skankiness in media, casinos, consumerism, and we can also then identify the people propping these up, or those who do it by proxy. all we have to do is follow the greed, ie money. Recon.
again i am not so advanced to see everyone the same, i am understanding who is who, and then exposing those who are agents of kali to my Godsiblings by their actions, rhetoric etc,,. So for me trying to distinguish demons and devotees through a bonafide Guru, Srila Prabhupada, Real Sadhus, His authentic followers, and unmolested Sastra, Bhagavad-gita As It Is 1972 et. al, and then revealing the difference, is me trying to fulfill a request and please Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Like Sri Arjuna, i would rather not deal with this, but personal cares, stress and anxiety are fading further and farther away.
Just to expose myself a little bit more, i come from a family of mlecchas/yavanas/rakshashas. Not my birth father, but his father, his father, and his father, 3 generations back, were all members of a real secret society who do real things. This is all the truth and i too was unknowingly for a time being groomed by them for admission, but Srila Prabhuapda put the nix on that. Srila Prabhupada ki- JAI !!! Somehow he felt some compassion for this lost deviant ignorant soul and my status as such a miscreant has been identified by a comment I think was aimed at me that goes like this
“NOT with the GBC or Gramya Katha some sort as you” and “which does not become to an aspiring young devoted follower of Srila Prabhupada such as your goodself “
Yes it’s true, ive heard all this before, that i’m not a devotee, i’m a karmi, i’m this i’m that, im a aparadhi, no offense taken. some folks were saying things just like this a little while back, that it was unbecoming of me to be inquisitive, to ask questions, to quote Sri Krsna or Srila Prabhupada, to be blunt, to be brutal honesty, to be uncompromising, to hand out Srimad Bhagavad-gita As It Is 1972, to listen to Srila Prabhupada’s Vani, to see through the eyes of Srila Prabhupada, through the eyes of Sri Arjuna, through the eyes of Sri Krsna, and due to doing those things, those folks got together, conspired ? and then banned me from Sri Sri Radha Govinda Temple because i was a problem. i took it as a compliment and a reaffirmation of my genuineness and sincerity when it happened then, and this time I do the same. Thanks for your input.
But back to the topic at hand learning who is a devotee and who is not side by side from Mantra 11 from Sri Isopanisad, Srila Prabhupada gave a class on that Verse may 17, 1970
vidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ ca yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
avidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
vidyayāmṛtam aśnute
[Īśo mantra 11]
[06:35]
Prabhupāda: “Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.”
So we have to learn. Knowledge means, just like darkness and light, if we know “this is darkness” and “this is light,” that is perfect knowledge. If you simply know darkness, or if you simply know light, that is not perfect. So the living entity is called tatasta śakti, marginal. There are two sides: one is darkness, one is light, and the living entity is marginal potency.
As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, there are two…, three prakṛtis: parā, aparā… Two prakṛtis practically, but the living entities belong to the superior energy. But because it is prone to fall down to the inferior energy, it is called marginal. So there are two sides. Just like the seashore: immediately land, immediately water, side by side. On the land you are safe; as soon as you are in the water, unsafe.
So you are on the margin. Just like I was walking on the beach, so I was very careful so that the water may not come and wet my shoes. So we are little bit careful. Side by side there is. So one should have perfect knowledge, that “this is water,” “this is land.” Because water means if you fall into the water, your death; and if you stand on the land, you are secure. Therefore here it is stated:
vidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ ca yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
[Īśo mantra 11]
One should know what is my secure place and what is my unsecure place. Because I am prone. I am not God; I am little spark. God has no such fear, either this land or this water. He is controller of everything. But so far I am concerned, I am tiny. Although I am part and parcel of God, I am tiny. Therefore I must know what is my secure place and what is my unsecure place.
The secure place is Kṛṣṇa, and unsecure place is māyā. So if you know what is māyā and what is Kṛṣṇa, this knowledge, if there is perfect knowledge, then avidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā. Avidyayā, I am in the nescience, māyā, now, where there is death, repeated birth and death. So if I become conversant what is Kṛṣṇa, then I become transcendental to this birth and death, mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā vidyayāmṛtam aśnute. Āmṛtam means eternal life.”
So, dealing with this gramya katha and conspiracy theories topic, please allow me to use a practical example to delineate Mantra 11 from Sri Isopanisad, about learning the truth and the lie side by side. Srila Prabhupada vehemently condemned the going to the moon theory, proposed by some conspiring folks known as scientists, maya apahrta jnanas, who do to their offenses to Vaisnavas, God, or Both, are living a demonic lifestyle. i have met some of these type of people who work for the government in this lifetime. these people have no knowledge of Sri Krsna and when i had met them neither did i, birds of the same feather……
so in this particular moon landing hoax, those souls conspired to make their theory a reality by boasting that could go and had been to the moon planet appear to be the truth. So Srila Prabhupada has stated this going to the moon theory and the conspirators who proposed this rubbish are fools and cheaters and liars, and we should not accept this nonsense. Saying we haven’t been to the moon is not a conspiracy theory, it is the Truth. Srila Prabhupada gave evidence from Sastra dispelling their bragging and cheating agenda,which was only to steal money from the american society. i will boldly say Srila Prabhupada is not a conspiracy theorist, and neither are those who agree with Him.
Therefore, and personally , i am not interested in ignoring the truth and the lies side by side, in which ignoring is the the application of the mode of ignorance. the kali celas and the false propaganda they produce is why this mess keeps going on. Ignoring them and what they propagate will only increase my ignorance, enabling the kali celas who are conspiring to store people like myself away from Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna to succeed.
For some it may be ok to close their eyes while there entire moving and non moving family is slaughtered, i however cannot do so. The only way evil prevails is because good people do nothing about it, don’t expose the actors, don’t talk about to others, don’t care for there siblings in any form, just ignore it because it’s a waste time interacting with that gramya katha and conspiracy theory foolishness.
And with all that being said, I’m now im going to speculate according the prevalent train of thought of conspiracy theories, which has become a weaponized word to invalidate concerns or truths, to dissuade those from speaking on it, and/or also used to label one with a psychiatric diagnosis, It must be a conspiracy theory that there is such things as greed, meat eating, intoxication, gambling, and illicit sex, and those who believe that these things keep one from returning back Home, back to Godhead, are all just conspiracy theorists.
These are not the pillars of sinful life, these things are just a sort of illusion being propagated by some ethereal gusts of wind, not souls in human bodies doing so. But in actuality this glorifying the four pillars of sinful life and greed are real, and those proliferating this agenda through businesses, media et. al. are also real, they are not just some wisps of air.
And being a demon born from a demonic womb and partaking in all those things I can vouch and say they are not theories, they are real, and so are the consequences from doing so. There is a nice proverb that goes with all this, if we don’t know our history, we don’t know our destiny.
So ultimately being still in the mode of ignorance and trapped in a rakshasha candala rascal body, i personally will keep learning the Truth and the lies side by side so as to know the difference, understanding who is a Demigod, and who is a demon. i pray to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna never be bereft of that discernment again. And when i have conversations with people who don’t know Sri Krsna nor Srila Prabhupada, or the pillars of sinful life, which is just about everyone, i will continue to explain the truth and the lies side by side.
An example of this explaining the truth and the lies side by side has to do with those who drink alcohol, and the following is just about verbatim that has been said in interactions i’ve had with some folks while attempting to please Srila Prabhupada, “the alcohol producing companies are one of the hostile enemies of a peaceful society, they are followers/worshipers of kali/satan, if you want to count yourself as one of the minions, fair enough, i understand, i personally used to do many evil things, because i was their blind follower, a crony of the devil, and because of my stupidity i had no clue i was doing anything wrong.
But i don’t any longer because now i know that being intoxicated by drinking alcohol, cigarettes, etc., eating meat, having illicit sex and gambling and being greedy, which are the pillars of a god hating lifestyle, is not service to Sri Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Doing these activities is service of self, of false ego, and it makes these deviant activities common and seemingly normal by participating in and subsequently glorifying those who promote this rebellion against God. i’m not interested in all that anymore. This is all explained in the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, of which i have one here if you would like to have It. It gives us the blueprint of how to return to our normal position and eternal relationship in pure devotional service with God, Sri Krsna. We can start our re-acquaintance very easily in this age by singing/chanting the Hare Krsna Maha-mantra. Which allows us to personal associate with Him. By doing this easy thing of reading this Gita or chanting Hare Krsna, the veil will be lifted and you will start to understand “ Yup, i will continue showing the light and the dark.
“ No compromise-Rama Krishna, Avatars, yogis, everyone was enemy to Guru Maharaja-he never compromised. Some Godbrothers complained that his was chopping technique and it would not be successful. But we have seen that those who criticized, they fell down. For my part, I have taken up the policy of my Guru Maharaja-no compromise. All these so-called scholars, scientists, philosophers, who do not accept Krsna (or Prabhupada) are nothing more than rascals, fools, lowest of mankind, etc. So you go on with your work, it is very encouraging to me.” (7/27/73)
Thanks for your time souls, and please excuse this idiot raskshasha for it’s heinous offenses
All Glory to the Footprints of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and those who follow Him !!!
a nobody named jason
Jaya Prabhupada !!!
Note: the issue has to be considered from ALL angles of vision:
Bg 17.15 P The Divisions of Faith
ONE SHOULD NOT SPEAK IN SUCH A WAY AS TO AGITATE THE MINDS OF OTHERS. Of course, when a teacher speaks, he can speak the truth for the instruction of his students, but such a teacher should not speak to others who are not his students if he will agitate their minds. This is penance as far as talking is concerned. Besides that, one should not talk nonsense. WHEN SPEAKING IN SPIRITUAL CIRCLES, ONE’S STATEMENTS MUST BE UPHELD BY THE SCRIPTURES. ONE SHOULD AT ONCE QUOTE FROM SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY TO BACK UP WHAT HE IS SAYING. AT THE SAME TIME, SUCH TALK SHOULD BE VERY PLEASURABLE TO THE EAR. By such discussions, one may derive the highest benefit and elevate human society. THERE IS A LIMITLESS STOCK OF VEDIC LITERATURE, AND ONE SHOULD STUDY THIS. THIS IS CALLED PENANCE OF SPEECH.
Antya 6.236 T The Meeting of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami
GRAMYA-KATHA NA SUNIBE, gramya-varta na kahibe
bhala na khaibe ara bhala na paribe
SYNONYMS
gramya-katha–ordinary talks of common men; na sunibe–never hear; gramya-varta–ordinary news; na kahibe–do not speak; bhala–well; na khaibe–do not eat; ara–and; bhala–nicely; na paribe–do not dress.
TRANSLATION
“DO NOT TALK LIKE PEOPLE IN GENERAL OR HEAR WHAT THEY SAY. You should not eat very palatable food, nor should you dress very nicely.
Antya 6.237 The Meeting of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says in his Amrta-pravaha-bhasya that when a man and woman are married, they beget children and are thus entangled in family life. Talk concerning such family life is called gramya-katha. A person in the renounced order never indulges in either hearing or talking about such subjects. He should not eat palatable dishes, since that is unfit for a person in the renounced order. He should show all respect to others, but should not expect respect for himself. In this way, one should chant the holy name of the Lord and think of how to serve Radha and Krsna in Vrndavana.
TLK Vs 12 Lord Kapila Begins to Explain Self-realization
Those who are sat are thus transcendentalists advanced in spiritual life, and when they hear questions from those who want to understand spiritual life, they become very happy. TRANSCENDENTALISTS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WORLDLY TALKS. INDEED, WORLDLY TALKS ARE VERY DISGUSTING TO THEM, AND THEY AVOID THE COMPANY OF THOSE WHO TALK ABOUT NONSENSICAL WORLDLY AFFAIRS. SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU ADVISED HIS DISCIPLES: GRAMYA-KATHA NA SUNIBE. THE WORD GRAMYA REFERS TO THAT PERTAINING TO ONE’S VILLAGE, SOCIETY OR NEIGHBORHOOD. PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT GRAMYA-KATHA. NEWSPAPERS, FOR INSTANCE, ARE FILLED WITH GRAMYA-KATHA. There is no spiritual understanding in them. In the United States there are many newspapers, and simply to publish the New York Times many trees have to be killed. Now there is a paper scarcity. Why are they uselessly killing trees just for gramya-katha? They are only interested in making a profit.
There is, however, another kind of katha–krsna-katha. THERE ARE LITERATURES WHICH MAY BE NICELY PRESENTED FROM THE LITERARY POINT OF VIEW, BUT IF THERE IS NO GLORIFICATION OF THE SUPREME LORD, THEY ARE USELESS.
690611SB.NV Lectures
SO ORDINARY LITERATURE, THEY’RE FULL WITH ALL THIS, I MEAN TO SAY, GRAMYA-KATHA. THE MAN AND WOMAN’S BEHAVIOR, THAT IS GOOD LITERATURE. THERE IS A HERO; THERE IS A HEROINE. SO THOSE WHO ARE SAINTLY PERSONS, THEY DO NOT TAKE INTEREST. So Narada was advising Vyasadeva that “You have written this Mahabharata. That’s all right. It is a great epic, history. But the, mostly… History means the ordinary dealings of the worldly men. So what benefit there is? That is nothing. No saintly person will take interest.” Actually, this Mahabharata was written by this, by Vyasadeva for giving instruction, Vedic instruction to the less intelligent class of men. He has given introduction, stri-sudra-dvija-bandhunam trayi na sruti-gocara: “The Vedic knowledge is difficult to be understood by these classes of men and women: stri-sudra–sudra class, woman class, stri, sudra–and dvija-bandhu.” And dvija-bandhu means born in high family, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, but their behavior is different, like sudras. They cannot understand Vedas. Therefore there is restriction, that “The sudras cannot read Vedas.” They are restricted.
So therefore Mahabharata was written by Vyasadeva. But Narada says that “This kind of literature will not appeal to the saintly devotees. So you write something for the satisfaction of the saintly devotees.” And he is giving the instruction that “Even such literature is written in broken language, not in the proper way from grammatical point of view, from poetic point of view, from rhetorical, still, because such literature is full with glorification of the Supreme Lord, saintly persons, they accept it, they hear it, and they chant it.” Then he says, naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam. Acyuta. Acyuta means Krsna. Krsna’s name is Acyuta. You’ll find in the Bhagavad-gita. Arjuna says to Krsna, senayor ubhayor madhye ratham sthapaya me acyuta. He’s addressing Krsna as Acyuta. Acyuta means “not,” and cyuta means “falldown.” So God never falls down. Therefore God’s name is Acyuta. The Mayavada philosopher says that God has become man, being, I mean to say, complicated in maya, being illusioned. But God is acyuta. God never falls down. Then what is the meaning of this acyuta? If God falls down, becomes under the clutches of maya, then maya is greater than God. Then how God is great? That is the fallacy of their argument. They say that “I am God, but now I am under the clutches of maya. As soon as maya will be cleared, then I am again God.” But they cannot answer the question that “Why? You are God. Why you are under the clutches of maya? How you fall down?” That answer, there is none. Because God is great, acyuta. He never falls down. Then how He can fall down? If He falls down under the clutches of maya, then maya becomes great, not God great.
741112SB.BOM Lectures
SO TRANSCENDENTALISTS, THOSE WHO ARE ADVANCED IN SPIRITUAL LIFE, WHEN THEY HEAR SOME QUESTIONS FROM PERSONS TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT SPIRITUAL LIFE, THEY BECOME VERY HAPPY. THOSE WHO ARE TRANSCENDENTALISTS, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THESE WORLDLY TALKS. THAT IS VERY DISGUSTING TO THEM. THEY AVOID SUCH COMPANY WHO TALKS NONSENSE ABOUT THESE WORLDLY AFFAIRS. SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU ADVISED HIS DISCIPLES, GRAMYA-KATHA NA KAHIBE. GRAMYA-KATHA. GRAMYA MEANS PERTAINING TO THE VILLAGE, SOCIETY, NEIGHBORHOOD. PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING THIS GRAMYA-KATHA. GRAMA, FROM GRAMA, GRAMYA. JUST LIKE THE NEWSPAPER. THIS NEWSPAPER IS FULL OF GRAMYA-KATHA. THERE IS NO SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING. The whole newspaper… Here we have got four, five, ten pages newspaper, and in USA they have got bunch, one load of newspaper–full of gramya-katha. There was an estimation that the New York Times required, to publish one day’s publication, to kill so many trees. Because the paper is now in scarcity. Why? Because they’re killing the trees and making this gramya-katha newspaper, bunch of. Useless. They are making profit.
Na yad vacas citra-padam harer yasah. The devotees, Bhagavata, they say, na yad vacas citra-padam. Very nicely spoken, figuratively, metaphorically, ornamentally, citra-padam. Na yad vacas citra-padam harer yasah pragrnita karhicit. But there is no sense of krsna-katha. There are two kinds of kathas: gramya-katha and krsna-katha. So any literature which is very nicely presented from literary point of view, metaphorically, figuratively, but there is no glorification of the Supreme Lord… Na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit, tad vayasam tirtham usanti manasah. That is like the place for pleasure of the crows. Even in the birds’ society there are crows and there are swans. You’ll find the crows are interested in a place where filthy things are thrown out. All nasty things are thrown out. The crows will come and they will enjoy there. By nature. But the swans will not come. The white swans, they’ll require very nice, clear water, with lotus flower in a garden, and birds are chirping. They’re interested there. Similarly, there are men crowslike, and there are men swanlike. That is nature’s division.
So na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit, tad vayasam tirtham usanti manasah. Manasah means those who live in the manasa-sarovara. In Bombay I don’t find any such place, but even in Western countries, especially in London, there are many nice parks, very clear water. And in America also. Wherever these Europeans have settled. In Sydney, Australia, there are many nice parks with water. Formerly, in India also, in old Dvaraka, Mathura, the parks were there. Parks are necessary for cleansing the mind. So the fact is that as there are classes of birds which are called crows and there are classes of birds which are called swans, white swans… “Birds of the same feather flock together.” That is an English proverb. The crows will mix with crows, and the swans will mix with swans. Therefore the devotees are swans, and the most advanced devotee is called hamsa, paramahamsa. Paramahamsa. So those who are hamsas, they are not interested in the matter for the crows. Therefore a hamsa, a paramahamsa, when he hears a question from a person about transcendental, uttamam, sreya uttamam… Tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuh sreya uttamam. A person who is interested to enquire about the transcendental subject matter, krsna-katha, then the person who is questioned, he becomes very glad.
750901SB.VRN Lectures
So this man, although he was being trained up as a brahmana, his attention was diverted all of a sudden by seeing one sudra and sudrani embracing, kissing, talking. So that became his meditation. Instead of meditating on Visnu, he began to meditate on that sudrani. Svayam eva tosayam asa. In the first verse, tan-nimitta-smara vyaja-graha-grasto vicetasah. He became mad, vicetasa, bewildered, as if haunted by ghost. Tam eva manasa dhyayan. Always meditating, “How shall I get that woman? How shall I please that woman so that she may satisfy my lusty desires?” Therefore tam eva tosayam asa: “His only business was how to please her.” Now they require money. So he was not earning money, but pitryena, whatever money he inherited from the father’s earning… The son generally inherits father’s property. He was the only son. So he was squandering the father’s money in that way just to please that sudrani–tam eva tosayam asa pitryenarthena yavata–as much as possible. If he could get more money, then he would have spent them only for that women. Gramyaih. Gramyair manoramaih. This word gramya is very significant. Gramya means external, material. Gramyair manoramaih. By the sense gratification, whatever we find very pleasing, that is called gramya manorama. Actually that is not pleasing. That is entangling. But he became entangled. So gramyair manoramaih kamaih. The basic principle is lust. Kamaih prasideta yah. Wanted to satisfy the woman here and there as soon as meets. We can see these examples very often. Then next step was,
vipram sva-bharyam apraudham
kule mahati lambhitam
visasarjacirat papah
svairinyapanga-viddha-dhih
There are three kinds of women: kamini, svairini, and pumscali. Pumscali. Svairini means free, freedom. Nobody is controller. That is called svairini. And kamini means to attract, very much attract. And another, pumscali–living with woman, er, man for some time; giving up; again another; again another. That is exemplified by the lightning. You have seen the lightning–immediately, within a second, from this cloud to that cloud, that cloud to that cloud. So they are called svairini. So three divisions. Similarly, there are divisions of men also.
SO IN THIS WAY THE MATERIAL WORLD IS VERY, VERY ENTANGLED. AND IF WE BECOME KRSNA CONSCIOUS, THEN WE BECOME FREE FROM THIS ENTANGLEMENT. ALL THESE CRITICISMS OR THE DIVISIONS ARE THERE FOR GRAMYAIH. THEREFORE CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU HAS ADVISED, GRAMA-KATHA NA SUNIBE, BHALA NA KHAIBE NA BHALA NA PARIBE. THIS IS VAIRAGYA–“DON’T INDULGE IN GRAMYA-KATHA.” THEREFORE WE ALWAYS ADVISE, “DON’T READ NEWSPAPER. DON’T READ ANY OTHER BOOK,” BECAUSE IT IS FULL OF GRAMYA-KATHA, GRAMYAIH. SO TO AVOID IT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO NEED. WHAT IS THE NEWS OF A GRAMYA-KATHA NEWSPAPER? THE SAME THING REPEATED. “HERE THERE IS FLOOD, WHERE THERE IS TRAIN DISASTER, WHERE THERE IS ACCIDENT, AND POLITICAL, AND ONE POLITICIAN IS GIVING SPEECH, ANOTHER POLITICIAN IS GIVING SPEECH.” THESE ARE THE GRAMYA THINGS. SO WE SHOULD SAVE OURSELF. GRAMYAIR MANORAMAIH. THESE EXTERNALLY VERY ATTRACTIVE NEWS, WE SHOULD AVOID IT COMPLETELY. WE SHALL SIMPLY TALK OF KRSNA. THAT IS THE SAFEST METHOD. WE SHALL SIMPLY TALK KRSNA-KATHA. AND KRSNA-KATHA MEANS WHAT KRSNA HAS SAID. THAT IS KRSNA-KATHA. OR WHAT IS SPOKEN ABOUT KRSNA. SO BHAGAVAD-GITA MEANS KRSNA-KATHA, WHAT KRSNA HAS SAID. AND SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM IS ALSO KRSNA-KATHA BECAUSE EVERYTHING SAID ABOUT KRSNA. SO WE DON’T WE SHOULD NOT INDULGE IN GRAMYA-KATHA. THAT WILL MISLEAD US. AND IF WE DO NOT INDULGE IN GRAMYA-KATHA, BUT IF WE MAKE ADVANCEMENT ON KRSNA-KATHA, THEN WE ARE ALWAYS SITUATED ON TRANSCENDENTAL POSITION. WE ARE NO MORE AFFECTED BY THE MODES OF MATERIAL NATURE. SA GUNAN SAMATITYAITAN BRAHMA-BHUYAYA KALPATE. SO WE SHOULD STICK TO THIS PRINCIPLE. THEN WE SHALL BE SAVED. OTHERWISE, EITHER I BECOME MAN OR WOMAN, WE ARE ALL CONDEMNED BECAUSE WE ARE IMPLICATED WITH GRAMYA-KATHA.
SO GRAMYA-KATHA SHOULD BE AVOIDED. THE TEMPLE IS SPECIALLY MEANT FOR KRSNA-KATHA. HERE THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS THAN KRSNA. THEREFORE A TEMPLE IS ALWAYS TRANSCENDENTAL, NIRGUNA. NIRGUNA. IF YOU LIVE IN THE FOREST, THAT IS SATTVA-GUNA. IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, THAT IS RAJO-GUNA. AND IF YOU LIVE IN THE BROTHEL OR LIQUOR HOUSE OR GAMBLING HOUSE, THAT IS TAMO-GUNA. BUT IF YOU LIVE IN THE TEMPLE, THAT IS NIRGUNA. Traigunya-visaya-veda nistraigunyo bhavarjuna. This is advice of Krsna. The whole world is complicated with the three modes of material nature, and you have to become above this material nature. Nistraigunyo bhavarjuna. So nistraigunya, how you can become? Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. Who… (end)
SSR 3 Discovering the Roots
Regarding Anandagiri’s quotation that kirtana means vedanta-sravanam pranava japas ca [“listening to the Vedanta and muttering om”], the knower of Vedanta is Krsna, and He is the compiler of Vedanta. He is veda-vit and vedanta-krt. So where is there a greater opportunity for vedanta-sravana than to hear it from Krsna?
Regarding the next verse, in which it is mentioned that jnana-yajnena… yajanto mam, the object of worship is Krsna, as indicated by mam [“Me”]. The process is described in the Isopanisad, mantra 11:
vidyam cavidyam ca yas
tad vedobhayam saha
avidyaya mrtyum tirtva
vidyayamrtam asnute
“ONLY ONE WHO CAN LEARN THE PROCESS OF NESCIENCE AND THAT OF TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE SIDE BY SIDE CAN TRANSCEND THE INFLUENCE OF REPEATED BIRTH AND DEATH AND ENJOY THE FULL BLESSINGS OF IMMORTALITY.”
The culture of vidya, or transcendental knowledge, is essential for the human being, otherwise the culture of avidya, or nescience, binds him to conditional existence on the material platform. Materialistic existence means the pursuit or culture of sense gratification, and this kind of knowledge of sense gratification (avidya) means advancement of repeated birth and death. Those who are absorbed in such knowledge cannot learn any lesson from the laws of nature, and they do the same things over repeatedly, being enamored of the beauty of illusory things. Vidya, or factual knowledge, on the other hand, means to know thoroughly the process of nescient activities while at the same time culturing transcendental science and thereby undeviatingly following the path of liberation.
Liberation is the enjoyment of the full blessings of immortality. This immortality is enjoyed in the eternal kingdom of God (sambhuty-amrtam asnute), the region of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and is the result obtained by worshiping the Supreme Lord, the cause of all causes, sambhavat. So in this way real knowledge, vidya, means to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna; that is jnana-yajnena, the worship of knowledge.
This jnana-yajnena… yajanto mam is the perfection of knowledge, as stated in the Bhagavad-gita (7.19):
bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
vasudevah sarvam iti
sa mahatma sudurlabhah
“After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me [Krsna], knowing Me to be the cause of all causes, and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.”
If one has not yet come to this conclusion of knowledge and simply indulges in dry speculation without Krsna, then his hard speculative labor is something like beating empty husks of grain. The unhulled rice and the empty husks of rice look very much the same. One who knows how to get the grain out of the unhulled rice is wise, but one who beats on the empty husk, thinking to get some result, is simply wasting his labor uselessly. SIMILARLY, IF ONE STUDIES THE VEDAS WITHOUT FINDING THE GOAL OF THE VEDAS, KRSNA, HE SIMPLY WASTES HIS VALUABLE TIME.
So to cultivate knowledge for worshiping Krsna culminates after many, many births and deaths when one actually becomes wise. When one becomes wise in this way, he surrenders to Krsna, recognizing Him at last to be the cause of all causes and all that is. That sort of great soul is very rare. So those who have surrendered to Krsna life and soul are rare sudurlabha mahatmas. They are not ordinary mahatmas.
By the grace of Lord Caitanya that highest perfectional status of life is being distributed very freely. The effect is also very encouraging; otherwise, how are boys and girls without any background of Vedic culture quickly occupying the posts of rare mahatmas simply by vibrating this transcendental sound, Hare Krsna? And simply on the basis of this chanting, the majority of them (those who are very sincere) are steady in devotional service and are not falling down to the four principles of material sinful life, namely (1) meat-eating, (2) illicit sexual connection, (3) taking of intoxicants, including coffee, tea, and tobacco, and (4) gambling. And that is the last sutra of the Vedanta-sutra, i.e., anavrttih sabdat [“By sound vibration one becomes liberated”].
ONE HAS TO LEARN BY THE RESULT (PHALENA PARICIYATE). Our students are ordered to act like this, and they are not falling down. That they are remaining on the platform of pure spiritual life without hankering to culture the above principles of avidya, or sense gratification, is the test of their proper understanding of the Vedas. They do not come back to the material platform, because they are relishing the nectarean fruit of love of God.
LON 1 God and The Law of Karma
SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO RESEARCH. EVERYTHING IS THERE. WE SIMPLY HAVE TO HEAR FROM A PERSON WHO IS DHIRA, WHO IS NOT AGITATED BY THE SIX URGES. THAT IS THE VEDIC PROCESS OF GAINING KNOWLEDGE. AND IF WE TRY TO USE SOME OTHER PROCESS, WE WILL REMAIN COVERED BY NESCIENCE.
The Isopanisad states, “Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.” People do not understand what immortality is. They think it is a mythological idea. They are proud of their advancement of knowledge, but there are many things they do not know, nor can they ever know them by their modern system of experimentation.
So if you want real knowledge, you should take knowledge from the literature known as the Vedas. (The word veda means “knowledge.”) Part of the Vedas are the 108 Upanisads, out of which eleven are very important. Of those eleven, the Isopanisad stands first. In the word upanisad, upa means “near.” So the knowledge in the Isopanisad will take you nearer to Krsna.
Note: tendency to make offense in body,mind, speech:
KB 89 The Superexcellent Power of Krsna
After testing Lord Brahma, Bhrgu Muni went directly to the planet Kailasa, where Lord Siva resides. Bhrgu Muni happened to be Lord Siva’s brother. Therefore, as soon as Bhrgu Muni approached, Lord Siva was very glad and personally rose to embrace him. But when Lord Siva approached, Bhrgu Muni refused to embrace him. “My dear brother,” he said, “you are always very impure. Because you smear your body with ashes, you are not very clean. Please do not touch me.” When Bhrgu Muni refused to embrace his brother, saying that Lord Siva was very impure, the latter became very angry with him. IT IS SAID THAT AN OFFENSE CAN BE COMMITTED EITHER WITH THE BODY, WITH THE MIND OR BY SPEECH. Bhrgu Muni’s first offense, committed towards Lord Brahma, was an offense with the mind. His second offense, committed towards Lord Siva by insulting him, criticizing him for unclean habits, was an offense by speech. Because the quality of ignorance is prominent in Lord Siva, when he heard Bhrgu’s insult, his eyes immediately became red with anger. With uncontrollable rage, he took up his trident and prepared to kill Bhrgu Muni. At that time, Lord Siva’s wife, Parvati, was present. Her personality is a mixture of the three qualities, and therefore she is called Trigunamayi. In this case, she saved the situation by evoking Lord Siva’s quality of goodness. She fell down at the feet of her husband, and with her sweet words she talked him out of killing Bhrgu Muni.
Note: WHO does NOT CARE for Insults that pertain to body:
OWK 4 The Roads of the Foolish and the Wise
HE WHO IS IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT CARE FOR MATERIAL DISTRESS, INSULT OR HONOR BECAUSE HE IS ALOOF FROM ALL THESE. HE KNOWS WELL THAT DISTRESS, HONOR AND INSULT PERTAIN TO THE BODY ONLY AND THAT HE IS NOT THE BODY. Socrates, for instance, who believed in the immortality of the soul, was condemned to death, and upon being asked how he would like to be buried, replied, “First of all you may have to catch me.” So one who knows that he is not the body is not disturbed, for he knows the soul cannot be caught, tortured, killed or buried. He who is conversant with the science of Krsna knows perfectly well that he is not the body, that he is part and parcel of Krsna, that his real relationship is with Krsna, and that somehow or other, although he has been put in the material body, he must remain aloof from the three qualities of material nature. He is not concerned with the modes of goodness, passion or ignorance, but with Krsna. One who understands this is a jnani, a wise man, and he is very much dear to Krsna. A distressed man, when he is put into opulence, may forget God, but a jnani, who knows the real position of God, will never forget Him.
Note: Ksatriya are in mode of passion they feel Insults:
661009BG.NY Lectures
Now, I’ll give you one example. There was a little boy, five years old, in royal family, Maharaja Dhruva. He was insulted by his stepmother. The little boy was sitting on the lap of his father, and the stepmother dragged the boy: “Oh, you cannot sit down, sit on the father’s, on the lap of your father, because you are not born of me.” Oh, the boy became very much, I mean to say, aggrieved at the… BECAUSE HE WAS THE SON OF A KSATRIYA–THEY ARE IN MODES OF PASSION–SO HE TOOK IT A GREAT INSULT, AND HE WENT TO HIS OWN MOTHER. The king had two queens. The, I mean to, the senior queen had this boy, and the junior queen had no son. So junior queen was very much envious of this boy. And so he… She dragged the boy from the lap of his father, but the boy felt insulted. He went to his mother and cried, “Mother, my,” I mean to say, “junior mother has insulted me in this way. I was sitting.
Note: Conditioned stage polluted by passion and ignorance exhibited by insults,fault-finding:
SB 7.15.43-44 Instructions for Civilized Human Beings
In the CONDITIONED STAGE, one’s conceptions of life are SOMETIMES POLLUTED BY PASSION AND IGNORANCE, WHICH ARE EXHIBITED BY attachment, hostility, greed, lamentation, illusion, fear, madness, false prestige, INSULTS, FAULT-FINDING, deception, ENVY, INTOLERANCE, PASSION, bewilderment, hunger and sleep. All of these are enemies. Sometimes one’s conceptions are also polluted by goodness.
PURPORT
The actual aim of life is to go back home, back to Godhead, but there are many hindrances created by the three modes of material nature–sometimes by a combination of rajo-guna and tamo-guna, the modes of passion and ignorance, and sometimes by the mode of goodness. In the material world, even if one is a philanthropist, a nationalist and a good man according to materialistic estimations, these conceptions of life form a hindrance to spiritual advancement. How much more of a hindrance, then, are hostility, greed, illusion, lamentation and too much attachment to material enjoyment? To progress toward the target of Visnu, which is our real self-interest, one must become very powerful in conquering these various hindrances or enemies. In other words, one should not be attached to being a good man or a bad man in this material world.
IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD, SO-CALLED GOODNESS AND BADNESS ARE THE SAME BECAUSE THEY CONSIST OF THE THREE MODES OF MATERIAL NATURE. ONE MUST TRANSCEND THIS MATERIAL NATURE. Even the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies consist of the three modes of material nature. Therefore Krsna advised Arjuna:
traigunya-visaya veda
nistraigunyo bhavarjuna
nirdvandvo nitya-sattva-stho
niryoga-ksema atmavan
“The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self.” (Bg. 2.45) Elsewhere in Bhagavad-gita the Lord says, urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah: IF ONE BECOMES A VERY GOOD PERSON–IN OTHER WORDS, IF ONE IS IN THE MODE OF GOODNESS–HE MAY BE ELEVATED TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEMS. SIMILARLY, IF ONE IS INFECTED BY RAJO-GUNA AND TAMO-GUNA, HE MAY REMAIN IN THIS WORLD OR GO DOWN TO THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. BUT ALL OF THESE SITUATIONS ARE HINDRANCES ON THE PATH OF SPIRITUAL SALVATION. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore says:
brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva
guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija
If one is fortunate enough to transcend all this so-called goodness and badness and come to the platform of devotional service by the mercy of Krsna and the guru, his life becomes successful. In this regard, one must be very bold so that he can conquer these enemies of Krsna consciousness. Not caring for the good and bad of this material world, one must boldly propagate Krsna consciousness.
SB 7.13.7 P The Behavior of a Perfect Person
A PERSON DESIRING TO ADVANCE IN SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING SHOULD BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL TO AVOID READING ORDINARY LITERATURE. THE WORLD IS FULL OF ORDINARY LITERATURE THAT CREATES UNNECESSARY AGITATION IN THE MIND. SUCH LITERATURE, INCLUDING NEWSPAPERS, DRAMAS, NOVELS AND MAGAZINES, IS FACTUALLY NOT MEANT FOR ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE. INDEED, IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS A PLACE OF ENJOYMENT FOR CROWS (TAD VAYASAM TIRTHAM). ANYONE ADVANCING IN SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE MUST REJECT SUCH LITERATURE. Furthermore, one should not concern oneself with the conclusions of various logicians or philosophers. OF COURSE, THOSE WHO PREACH SOMETIMES NEED TO ARGUE WITH THE CONTENTIONS OF OPPONENTS, BUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ONE SHOULD AVOID AN ARGUMENTATIVE ATTITUDE. In this connection, Srila Madhvacarya says:
aprayojana-paksam na samsrayet
naprayojana-paksi syan
na vrtha sisya-bandha-krt
na codasinah sastrani
na viruddhani cabhyaset
na vyakhyayopajiveta
na nisiddhan samacaret
evam-bhuto yatir yati
tad-eka-sarano harim
“There is no need to take shelter of unnecessary literature or concern oneself with many so-called philosophers and thinkers who are useless for spiritual advancement. Nor should one accept a disciple for the sake of fashion or popularity. One should be callous to these so-called sastras, neither opposing nor favoring them, and one should not earn one’s livelihood by taking money for explaining sastra. A sannyasi must always be neutral and seek the means to advance in spiritual life, taking full shelter under the lotus feet of the Lord.”
760625rc.nv Conversations
Prabhupada: At least those who are above fifty years old. That is Vedic civilization. Pancasordhvam vanam vrajet. One who is over fifty years of age, vanam vrajet. So vanam vrajet means completely retired from family responsibilities and take to Krsna consciousness. That is compulsory according to Vedic civilization.
Pradyumna: “These four items are by far inferior to engagement in the devotional service of the Lord. Sri Vyasadeva as the authorized scholar knew very well this difference, and still, instead of giving more importance to the better type of engagement, namely the devotional service of the Lord, he had more or less improperly used his valuable time, and thus he was despondent. From this it is clearly indicated that no one can be pleased substantially without being engaged in the devotional service of the Lord. In the Bhagavad-gita this fact is clearly mentioned. After liberation, which is the last item in the line of performing religiosity, etc., one is engaged in pure devotional service. This is called the stage of self-realization or brahma-bhuta stage. After attainment of this brahma-bhuta stage one is satisfied, but satisfaction is the beginning of transcendental bliss. One should progress by attaining neutrality and equality in the relative world. In passing this stage of equanimity, one is fixed up in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. This is the instruction of the Personality of Godhead in the Bhagavad-gita. The conclusion is that in order to maintain the status quo of the brahma-bhuta stage, as also to increase the degree of transcendental realization, it is recommended by Narada to Vyasadeva that he, Vyasadeva, should now eagerly and repeatedly describe the path of devotional service. This would cure him from gross despondency.”
na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso
jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit
tad vayasam tirtham usanti manasa
na yatra hamsa niramanty usikksayah
“THOSE WORDS WHICH DO NOT DESCRIBE THE GLORIES OF THE LORD, WHO ALONE CAN SANCTIFY THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, ARE CONSIDERED BY SAINTLY PERSONS TO BE LIKE UNTO A PLACE OF PILGRIMAGE FOR CROWS.”
Prabhupada: Just like the modern newspaper. Huge bundle of newspaper every morning, huh? So it is, as it is said here, the place of enjoyment for the crows. What is that?
Pradyumna: Vayasam tirtham.
Prabhupada: Vayasam means crows. The crows, they take pleasure in a place where all rubbish and refuses are thrown. They take pleasure. So what is this newspaper? All rubbish things, they are collected together. Nobody likes it to read. They just glance over for a few minutes, and then it is thrown away, rubbish. And even it is thrown, nobody touches. So they are spending huge, so many newspapers. Each newspaper several editions in a day, huge establishment, but there is no substance of life. That is being described. Na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso. Read it?
Pradyumna:
na yad vacas citra-padam harer yaso
jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit
tad vayasam tirtham usanti manasa
na yatra hamsa niramanty usikksayah
“Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.” Purport. “Crows and swans are not birds of the same feather because of their different mental attitudes. The fruitive workers or passionate men are compared to the crows, whereas the all-perfect saintly persons are compared to the swans. Crows take pleasure in a place where garbage is thrown out, just as the passionate fruitive workers take pleasure in wine and women and places for gross sense pleasure. The swans do not take pleasure in the places where crows are assembled for conferences and meetings. They are instead seen in the atmosphere of natural scenic beauty, where there are transparent reservoirs of water nicely decorated with stems of lotus flowers in variegated colors of natural beauty. That is the difference between the two classes of birds. Nature has influenced different species of life with different mentalities, and it is not possible to bring them up into the same rank and file. Similarly there are different kinds of literature for different types of men of different mentality. Mostly the market literatures which attract men of the crow’s categories are literatures containing refuse remnants of sensuous topics. They are generally known as mundane talks in relation with the gross body and subtle mind. They are full of subject matter described in decorative language full of mundane similies and metaphorical arrangements. Yet with all that, they do not glorify the Lord. Such poetry and prose on any subject matter is considered decoration of a dead body. Spiritually advanced men, who are compared with the swans, do not take pleasure in such dead literatures, which are sources of pleasure for men who are spiritually dead. These literatures in the modes of passion and ignorance are distributed under different labels, but they can hardly help the spiritual urge of the human being, and thus the swanlike spiritually advanced men have nothing to do with them. Such spiritually advanced men are called also manasa, because they always keep up the standard of transcendental voluntary service to the Lord on the spiritual plane. This completely forbids fruitive activities for gross bodily sense satisfaction or subtle speculation of the material egoistic mind. Social literary men, scientists, mundane poets, theoretical philosophers and politicians who are completely absorbed in the material advancement of sense pleasure are all dolls of the material energy. They take pleasure in a place where rejected subject matters are thrown. According to Sridhara Swami this is the pleasure of the prostitute hunters. But literatures which describe the glories of the Lord are enjoyed by the paramahamsas who have grasped the essence of human activities.” When you said that transcendentally spiritually advanced men are called manasa, that means “with the mind,” because they are always thinking of?
Prabhupada: Yes, always. Sa vai manah krsna padaravindayoh. They are thinking of Krsna.
Iso 11 T
vidyam cavidyam ca yas
tad vedobhayam saha
avidyaya mrtyum tirtva
vidyayamrtam asnute
SYNONYMS
vidyam–knowledge in fact; ca–and; avidyam–nescience; ca–and; yah–a person who; tat–that; veda–knows; ubhayam–both; saha–simultaneously; avidyaya–by culture of nescience; mrtyum–repeated death; tirtva–transcending; vidyaya–by culture of knowledge; amrtam–deathlessness; asnute–enjoys.
TRANSLATION
ONLY ONE WHO CAN LEARN THE PROCESS OF NESCIENCE AND THAT OF TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE SIDE BY SIDE CAN TRANSCEND THE INFLUENCE OF REPEATED BIRTH AND DEATH AND ENJOY THE FULL BLESSINGS OF IMMORTALITY.
PURPORT
Since the creation of the material world, everyone has been trying to attain a permanent life, but the laws of nature are so cruel that no one has been able to avoid the hand of death. No one wants to die, nor does anyone want to become old or diseased. The law of nature, however, does not allow anyone immunity from old age, disease or death. Nor has the advancement of material knowledge solved these problems. Material science can discover the nuclear bomb to accelerate the process of death, but it cannot discover anything that can protect man from the cruel hands of old age, disease and death.
From the Puranas we learn of the activities of Hiranyakasipu, a king who was very much advanced materially. Wanting to conquer cruel death by his material acquisitions and the strength of his nescience, he underwent a type of meditation so severe that the inhabitants of all the planetary systems became disturbed by his mystic powers. He forced the creator of the universe, the demigod Brahma, to come down to him. He then asked Brahma for the benediction of becoming amara, by which one does not die. Brahma said that he could not award the benediction because even he, the material creator who rules all planets, is not amara. As confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita (8.17), Brahma lives a long time, but that does not mean he is immortal. Hiranya means “gold,” and kasipu means “soft bed.” This cunning gentleman Hiranyakasipu was interested in these two things–money and women–and he wanted to enjoy them by becoming immortal. He asked from Brahma many benedictions in hopes of indirectly fulfilling his desire to become immortal. Since Brahma told him that he could not grant the gift of immortality, Hiranyakasipu requested that he not be killed by any man, animal, god or any other living being within the 8,400,000 species. He also asked that he not die on land, in the air or water, or by any weapon. In this way Hiranyakasipu foolishly thought these guarantees would save him from death. Ultimately, however, although Brahma granted him all these benedictions, he was killed by the Personality of Godhead in the form of Nrsimha, the Lord’s half-lion, half-man incarnation, and no weapon was used to kill him, for he was killed by the Lord’s nails. Nor was he killed on the land, in the air or in the water, for he was killed on the lap of that wonderful living being, Nrsimha, who was beyond his conception.
The whole point here is that even Hiranyakasipu, the most powerful of materialists, could not become deathless by his various plans. What, then, can be accomplished by the tiny Hiranyakasipus of today, whose plans are thwarted from moment to moment? Sri Isopanisad instructs us not to make one-sided attempts to win the struggle for existence. Everyone is struggling hard for existence, but the laws of material nature are so hard and fast that they do not allow anyone to surpass them. In order to attain a permanent life, one must be prepared to go back to Godhead.
The process by which one goes back to Godhead is a different branch of knowledge, and it has to be learned from revealed Vedic scriptures such as the Upanisads, Vedanta-sutra, Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. To become happy in this life and attain a permanent blissful life after leaving this material body, one must study this sacred literature and obtain transcendental knowledge. The conditioned living being has forgotten his eternal relationship with God and has mistakenly accepted the temporary place of his birth as all in all. The Lord has kindly delivered the above-mentioned scriptures in India and other scriptures in other countries to remind the forgetful human being that his home is not here in this material world. The living being is a spiritual entity, and he can be happy only by returning to his spiritual home.
From His kingdom the Personality of Godhead sends His bona fide servants to propagate this message by which one can return to Godhead, and sometimes the Lord comes Himself to do this work. Since all living beings are His beloved sons, His parts and parcels, God is more sorry than we ourselves to see the sufferings we are constantly undergoing in this material condition. The miseries of this material world serve to indirectly remind us of our incompatibility with dead matter. Intelligent living entities generally take note of these reminders and engage themselves in the culture of vidya, or transcendental knowledge. Human life is the best opportunity for the culture of spiritual knowledge, and a human being who does not take advantage of this opportunity is called a naradhama, the lowest of human beings.
The path of avidya, or advancement of material knowledge for sense gratification, is the path of repeated birth and death. As he exists spiritually, the living entity has no birth or death. Birth and death apply to the outward covering of the spirit soul, the body. Death is compared to the taking off and birth to the putting on of outward garments. Foolish human beings who are grossly absorbed in the culture of avidya, nescience, do not mind this cruel process. Enamored with the beauty of the illusory energy, they undergo the same miseries repeatedly and do not learn any lessons from the laws of nature.
Therefore the culture of vidya, or transcendental knowledge, is essential for the human being. Sense enjoyment in the diseased material condition must be restricted as far as possible. Unrestricted sense enjoyment in this bodily condition is the path of ignorance and death. The living entities are not without spiritual senses; every living being in his original, spiritual form has all the senses, which are now materially manifested, being covered by the material body and mind. The activities of the material senses are perverted reflections of the activities of the original, spiritual senses. In his diseased condition, the spirit soul engages in material activities under the material covering. Real sense enjoyment is possible only when the disease of materialism is removed. In our pure spiritual form, free from all material contamination, real enjoyment of the senses is possible. A patient must regain his health before he can truly enjoy sense pleasure again. Thus the aim of human life should not be to enjoy perverted sense enjoyment but to cure the material disease. Aggravation of the material disease is no sign of knowledge, but a sign of avidya, ignorance. For good health, a person should not increase his fever from 105 degrees to 107 degrees but should reduce his temperature to the normal 98.6. That should be the aim of human life. The modern trend of material civilization is to increase the temperature of the feverish material condition, which has reached the point of 107 degrees in the form of atomic energy. Meanwhile, the foolish politicians are crying that at any moment the world may go to hell. That is the result of the advancement of material knowledge and the neglect of the most important part of life, the culture of spiritual knowledge. Sri Isopanisad herein warns that we must not follow this dangerous path leading to death. On the contrary, we must develop the culture of spiritual knowledge so that we may become completely free from the cruel hands of death.
This does not mean that all activities for the maintenance of the body should be stopped. There is no question of stopping activities, just as there is no question of wiping out one’s temperature altogether when trying to recover from a disease. “To make the best use of a bad bargain” is the appropriate expression. The culture of spiritual knowledge necessitates the help of the body and mind; therefore maintenance of the body and mind is required if we are to reach our goal. The normal temperature should be maintained at 98.6 degrees, and the great sages and saints of India have attempted to do this by a balanced program of spiritual and material knowledge. They never allow the misuse of human intelligence for diseased sense gratification.
Human activities diseased by a tendency toward sense gratification have been regulated in the Vedas under the principles of salvation. This system employs religion, economic development, sense gratification and salvation, but at the present moment people have no interest in religion or salvation. They have only one aim in life–sense gratification–and in order to achieve this end they make plans for economic development. Misguided men think that religion should be maintained because it contributes to economic development, which is required for sense gratification. Thus in order to guarantee further sense gratification after death, in heaven, there is some system of religious observance. But this is not the purpose of religion. The path of religion is actually meant for self-realization, and economic development is required just to maintain the body in a sound, healthy condition. A man should lead a healthy life with a sound mind just to realize vidya, true knowledge, which is the aim of human life. This life is not meant for working like an ass or for culturing avidya for sense gratification.
The path of vidya is most perfectly presented in Srimad-Bhagavatam, which directs a human being to utilize his life to inquire into the Absolute Truth. The Absolute Truth is realized step by step as Brahman, Paramatma and finally Bhagavan, the Personality of Godhead. The Absolute Truth is realized by the broadminded man who has attained knowledge and detachment by following the eighteen principles of the Bhagavad-gita described in the purport to Mantra Ten. The central purpose of these eighteen principles is the attainment of transcendental devotional service to the Personality of Godhead. Therefore all classes of men are encouraged to learn the art of devotional service to the Lord.
The guaranteed path to the aim of vidya is described by Srila Rupa Gosvami in his Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, which we have presented in English as The Nectar of Devotion. The culture of vidya is summarized in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.2.14) in the following words:
tasmad ekena manasa
bhagavan satvatam patih
srotavyah kirtitavyas ca
dhyeyah pujyas ca nityada
“Therefore, with one-pointed attention one should constantly hear about, glorify, remember and worship the Personality of Godhead, who is the protector of the devotees.”
Unless religion, economic development and sense gratification aim toward the attainment of devotional service to the Lord, they are all simply different forms of nescience, as Sri Isopanisad indicates in the following mantras.
Talking about disturbance and distraction, It is just first time I watched the video of ISKCON Bangalore Spiritual Haven On Earth. I find the back ground music being played is totally mundane which certainly disturb and distract the mind when we expect Spiritual atmosphere of Haven On Earth.
Why the back ground music was not played of singing Srila Prabhupada to make it in the video presentation a complete Spiritual Haven On Earth ?
Is Iskcon Bangalore a part of the GBC or some sort of a Gramya Katha presentation in the video ?
That is the concern, Vadiraja Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Iskcon Bangalore elite “all Indian” group
(anti-western)
and the elite “”good ole boys club” GBC (anti rivik order)
are very quiet on the India Supreme court case after spending millions on lawyers over properties since 2011.
No news or discussions since India Supreme court basically said that they have to settle their dispute themselves, the judges do NOT want to get involved.
Was there a secret settlement?
Madhu Bandit headquartered in Bangalore’s Hare Krsna Hill opulent temple
& his guru “Jaya Potato Swami” stationed in Chennai for his million dollar health treatments
makes me wonder if there wasn’t a private discussion between these two?
Madhu Bandit worshiped this fake guru for 12 years & are still close friends, did they secretly make some agreement to share the pie and share the rich hindu dollar and followers?
They both are big “Godmen” here in corrupted India & both using Srila Prabhupada’s assets, both having private trusts with millions of dollars and rich Hindus supporting them.
Oh by the way….Why are we promoting MPD on this site or any Prabhupadanuga site showing his Videos and supporting his all indian projects or feeding programs?
He doesn’t help any Prabhupadanugas in INDIA or outside INDIA who are getting old & need health/dental care or any support with living conditions on any of his million dollar apartments/properties/temples/farms!
MPD & his generals have the best health/dental available 24 hours at no charge & for all of his yes men in his “only Indian” temples.
MPD gives salaries to control everyone just like the GBC does, new vehicles and apartments for the elite chosen.
Most of all, does he help with his lawyers on KBI/ Jitarati dasa court case against Mumbai BBT?
5000 sets of Bhagavatams held hostage by a bogus GBC elected guru (Gopal Krishna) whose power is controlling BBT,
his corrupt lawyers putting a bogus court case on the printer in Delhi NOT to release these pure books of Srila Prabhupada for distribution ( just after they were printed) and paid for).
Why doesn’t MPD offer to sell or help us store Srila Prabhupada’s original unchanged books printed by Jitarati dasa/KBI other than a token case ot two? He prefers to distribute “changed books” and keep a mellow relationship with Mumbai BBT by purchasing them.
GBC/JPS and MPD in Bed together for Srila Prabhupada’s assets and control of his disciples?
YES, that’s my feeling living in Bangalore over 5 years if a thief is a thief, we have a right to expose and protect our Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada and his disciples, old & forgotten by these rascals using Prabhupada for making a life of power and riches for themselves/close family & conspirators.
There is no difference between Akshaya Patra, Annamrita and FFL programs. These are all Agenda 21 UN sponsored “Food Relief” distribution of GMO boga for demonic political objectives, designed as “welfare work”. They lied about Golden Rice which was 100% GMO as they tried to push the toxic rubbish onto the Chinese market also, which resulted in a huge backlash. This is NOT prasadam distribution. This rubbish is toxic GMO poison like I said it was years go, socio-economic control for the purpose of mass exploitation and slave manipulation by the UN Technocrats. Ford is doing what he always does and that is advancing his own technocratic interests and that of the USA through the agency of the CIA.
Akshaya Patra now serving onions! (does Sri Krishna eat onions?)…source: THE AKSHAYA PATRA FOUNDATION/TREATS FROM 10 STATES. All these are connected to CIA/Ford Foundation and the usual suspects Clinton, Gates Foundation, and Fascists like Modi and TATA. FFL is now following Agenda 21 program with declaration of 100% VEGAN, NO butter for Krishna, NO rassagula for Krishna, NO yoghurt, milk, honey, panir, ghee, cream, sweet rice. ONLY MARGARINE FOR KRISHNA!
So this is their Idea AND IT STARTS WITH CO2 GLOBAL WARMING MYTH….This means cows are UNSUSTAINABLE! This is the first lie in implementation of Agenda 21 that will decimate land values to push people into the cities WHERE THEY CAN CONTROL THEM WITH GMO FOOD!
This is their collective program THE UN PROGRAM! Now devotees are abusers of animals because of offering Krishna milk products. The vegan program is an Agenda 21 program! This is all under control of Rothschild! Who wrote The Global Warming Survival Handbook? Rothschilds!
Mahesh Raja has been a cheerleader of the Mad Bandit for years! Why are you now writing nonsense GRAMA KATHA article (the size of War and Peace) now that he has been clearly exposed? Is such exposure Grama Katha. Why is Vadiraja talking about “conspiracies?”
I am not interested in conspiracy theories. I am only interested in the facts which expose such conspiracies such as Akshaya Patra! pushed by bogus grubby thieves like Madhu Pandit and the usual suspects!
FFL website and Akshaya Patra now quoting Nelson Mandela not Srila Prabhupada! Mandela was a MI6 agent and member of The Knights of Malta, these are facts not theories. He is not only a creation of the Illuminati but a great asset to them even in death. He was a mass murdering terrorist and his wife murdered and tortured children. Together they burnt alive (with a burning tire around their necks) 2,000 to 3,000 people! What sort of demonic, evil monsters do things like that? These are the scum that the Illuminati want the masses to worship. Mandela supplied Charles Taylor (and many other Warlords) with weapons (Liberia/Sierra Leone) Charles Taylor murdered over 250,000 people. He partied with Mandela and Naomi Cambell and gave her blood diamonds! At Winnie Mandela’s funeral Cambell praised Winnie Mandela and said that this evil, black slut was the ”Mother of the Nation!” Taylors men would eat the hearts of their victim and cook their flesh. They would murder a small child before battle and drink it’s blood, to get them all fired up. Mandela was a great friend of Charles Taylor as they were ‘birds of a feather’. Puranjana is still waving the Akshaya Patra banner in the name of Srila Prabhupada just like Mahesh Raja…. but to show who these people are connected to……..to expose them this is is Grama Katha!……….is that what you are saying Mahesh?
Sudarsana Das Vanacari: Mahesh Raja has been a cheerleader of the Mad Bandit for years! Why are you now writing nonsense GRAMA KATHA article (the size of War and Peace) now that he has been clearly exposed? Is such exposure Grama Katha
Mahesh: wrong Prabhu! As I mentioned: “Note: the issue has to be considered from ALL angles of vision.” GRAMYA-KATHA NA SUNIBE is to UNDERSTAND that toooooo much delving into other EXTERNAL sources INSTEAD OF focusing on Srila Prabhupada’s books will cause diversion. No disrespect intended Prabhu, what is happening here is there is just toooooo much external sources. Some is— good positive information – no denying. BUT we SERIOUSLY NEED to focus on READING AND QUOTING Srila Prabhupada from HIS BOOKS. Do you ever quote Srila Prabhupada’s books? Just take look at your writings. Again , Prabhu—– no disrespect intended.
Regards Madhu Pandit das, I have already stated this:
Mahesh Raja says:
5. April 2018 at 3:31 pm
Note: I think—– they have compromised with the bogus gurus. Some deal brokered so that they CHANGE the name RITVIK SYSTEM to something that is giving BOTH sides some COMPROMISE settlement. We do not hear anymore of Court Cases — obvious there is some COMPROMISE settlement otherwise —WHY???? change the RITVIK SYSTEM to something else:
http://www.iskcontimes.com/we-are-not-following-ritvik-system-we-are-following-prabhupadacharya-system/
Unfortunately, if these folks do not accept the RITVIK SYSTEM as ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada (9th July 1977) then they have to accept KARMA KANDA activities which means—– accepting the frutive acts and the RESULTANT Karma (THE SEEDS OF KARMA-BIJA) which awards them the NEXT bodies:
SB 4.29.78 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
While in the subtle body, we create many plans to enjoy sense gratification. These plans are recorded in the spool of one’s mind as bija, the root of fruitive activities. In conditional life the living entity creates a series of bodies one after another, and this is called karma-bandhana. AS EXPLAINED IN BHAGAVAD-GITA (3.9), YAJNARTHAT KARMANO ‘NYATRA LOKO ‘YAM-KARMA-BANDHANAH: IF WE ACT ONLY FOR THE SATISFACTION OF VISNU, THERE IS NO BONDAGE DUE TO MATERIAL ACTIVITY, BUT IF WE ACT OTHERWISE, WE BECOME ENTRAPPED BY ONE MATERIAL ACTIVITY AFTER ANOTHER. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS TO BE SUPPOSED THAT BY THINKING, FEELING AND WILLING, WE ARE CREATING A SERIES OF FUTURE MATERIAL BODIES. IN THE WORDS OF BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA, ANADI KARAMA-PHALE, PADI’ BHAVARNAVA JALE. THE LIVING ENTITY FALLS INTO THE OCEAN OF KARMA-BANDHANA AS A RESULT OF PAST MATERIAL ACTIVITIES. INSTEAD OF PLUNGING ONESELF INTO THE OCEAN OF MATERIAL ACTIVITY, ONE SHOULD ACCEPT MATERIAL ACTIVITY ONLY TO MAINTAIN BODY AND SOUL TOGETHER. The rest of one’s time should be devoted to engaging in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In this way one can attain relief from the reactions of material activity.
Note: so Sudarsana Prabhu KARMA KANDA is NOT Bhakti. If they decide that the Temple Properties are THEIR OWN to do what THEY want—– and—– DISREGARD Srila Prabhupada’s instructions
a) go against Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik System
b) do NOT allow Srila Prabhupada’s Original books distribution
then, this will cause them to accept the result of karma kanda NOT Bhakti.
Best read: KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
Rathayatra dasa ACBSP : 5000 sets of Bhagavatams held hostage by a bogus GBC elected guru (Gopal Krishna) whose power is controlling BBT,
his corrupt lawyers putting a bogus court case on the printer in Delhi NOT to release these pure books of Srila Prabhupada for distribution ( just after they were printed) and paid for).
Mahesh: What is interesting is —-HOW Gopal Krishna is ALSO related in giving poison (one mp3 someone mentions a particular whisper is actually Gopal Krishna) to Srila Prabhupada. Follow the MONEY and POWER CONTROL trail in ISKCON and you KNOW who is INVOLVED.
So MAIN suspects INVOLVED in giving poison to Srila Prabhupada are:
1) Tamal Krishna (TKG) ( now dead )
2) Jayapataka
3) Bhavananda
4) Bhakticaru
5) Jayadvaita
6) Gopal Krishna
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Here is their denial propaganda list:
Response to Allegations
Tuesday, 05 December 2017
Dear Devotees,
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Many years ago, a relatively small group of devotees claimed that some of Srila Prabhupada’s devoted servants had poisoned their beloved guru and caused his disappearance from this world. These conspiracy theorists accused dedicated Vaisnavas of the greatest evil, and they did so with no credible evidence. No reliable science or witnesses supported their ghastly accusations, and so the Vaisnava community in general rejected their unjust claims.
Recently, an attempt has been made to resurrect this dark accusation, that loving disciples, those who gave their entire life to his service and strived continuously to bring comfort and good health to His Divine Grace, conspired to murder Krishna’s pure devotee. Once again, the accusation is made without reliable science or direct witnesses, or any other form of credible evidence.
The new accusations raise pseudo-scientific arguments that actual science rejects. Therefore, to protect innocent devotees from devastating offenses, the GBC is preparing a detailed response to the latest accusations, which are themselves the actual poison in this case.
The GBC requests ISKCON devotees to focus their attention on serving Prabhupada’s mission and to avoid hearing these monstrous accusations, until the GBC presents a response to the latest poisonous theories.
Hare Krishna.
Your servants,
Acyutatma Das
Anuttama Das
Badrinarayan Das Goswami
BB Govinda Swami
Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhakti Purusottama Swami
Bhakti-bhusana Swami
Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhaktivaibhava Swami
Bhanu Swami
Bir Krishna das Goswami
Caitanya Candra Caran Das
Candrasekhara Acarya Das
Devamrita Swami
Dina Sharana Devi Dasi
Giridhari Swami
Gopal Krsna Goswami
Guru Prasad Swami
Hridayananda Das Goswami
Hrdaya Caitanya Das
Jayapataka Swami
Kavicandra Swami
Madhu Sevita Das
Malati Devi Dasi
Niranjana Swami
Praghosa Das
Prahladananda Swami
Radhanath Swami
Ramai Swami
Revati Raman Das
Romapada Swami
Sesa Das
Sivarama Swami
Tamohara Das
Virabahu Das
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Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
According to the Nectar of Devotion one should accept everything which is favorable for devotional service and reject everything which is unfavorable for devotional service. Each devotee must decide for him or herself. If knowing about the demoniac shenanigans of the material world is an impetus for one’s service then it’s considered favorable. But if knowing these things causes one to become depressed and lose enthusiasm for devotional service then it’s unfavorable. We should be honest with ourselves and do the needful.
LW says:
22. April 2018 at 4:44 am
According to the Nectar of Devotion one should accept everything which is favorable for devotional service and reject everything which is unfavorable for devotional service. Each devotee must decide for him or herself. If knowing about the demoniac shenanigans of the material world is an impetus for one’s service then it’s considered favorable. But if knowing these things causes one to become depressed and lose enthusiasm for devotional service then it’s unfavorable. We should be honest with ourselves and do the needful.
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Mahesh: Here is the quote you mentioned, Prabhu:
Bg 6.10 P Sankhya-yoga
All these perfections and precautions are perfectly executed when one is directly in Krsna consciousness because direct Krsna consciousness means self-abnegation, wherein there is very little chance for material possessiveness. Srila Rupa Gosvami characterizes Krsna consciousness in this way:
anasaktasya visayan yatharham upayunjatah
nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe yuktam vairagyam ucyate
prapancikataya buddhya hari-sambandhi-vastunah
mumuksubhih parityago vairagyam phalgu kathyate
(Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 2.255-256)
“When one is NOT ATTACHED to ANYTHING, but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Krsna, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Krsna is not as complete in his renunciation.”
LW Prabhu, THAT IS—– a good point ACCEPTED—- BUT–BUT—BUT—— lets discuss further in order to ACTUALLY understand. What we are accepting for favorable OR unfavorable for our devotional service has been ALREADY DECIDED BY—– THE Guru: Srila Prabhupada:
NoI 2 T
atyaharah prayasas ca
PRAJALPO niyamagrahah
jana-sangas ca laulyam ca
sadbhir bhaktir vinasyati
SYNONYMS
ati-aharah–overeating or too much collecting; prayasah–overendeavouring; ca–and; prajalpah–idle talk; niyama–rules and regulations; agrahah–too much attachment to (or agrahah–too much neglect of); jana-sangah–association with worldly-minded persons; ca–and; laulyam–ardent longing or greed; ca–and; sadbhih–by these six; bhaktih–devotional service; vinasyati–is destroyed.
TRANSLATION
One’s devotional service is spoiled when he becomes too entangled in the following six activities: (1) eating more than necessary or collecting more funds than required; (2) overendeavoring for mundane things that are very difficult to obtain; (3) TALKING UNNECESSARILY ABOUT MUNDANE SUBJECT MATTERS; (4) Practicing the scriptural rules and regulations only for the sake of following them and not for the sake of spiritual advancement, or rejecting the rules and regulations of the scriptures and working independently or whimsically; (5) associating with worldly-minded persons who are not interested in Krsna consciousness; and (6) being greedy for mundane achievements.
Note: IF WE MUST TALK, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT.
NoI 2
ANOTHER IMPEDIMENT IS PRAJALPA, UNNECESSARY TALKING. WHEN WE MIX WITH A FEW FRIENDS, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGIN UNNECESSARY TALKING, SOUNDING JUST LIKE CROAKING TOADS. IF WE MUST TALK, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT. THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT ARE INTERESTED IN READING HEAPS OF NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES AND NOVELS, SOLVING CROSSWORD PUZZLES AND DOING MANY OTHER NONSENSICAL THINGS. IN THIS FASHION PEOPLE SIMPLY WASTE THEIR VALUABLE TIME AND ENERGY. IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES OLD MEN, RETIRED FROM ACTIVE LIFE, PLAY CARDS, FISH, WATCH TELEVISION AND DEBATE ABOUT USELESS SOCIO-POLITICAL SCHEMES. ALL THESE AND OTHER FRIVOLOUS ACTIVITIES ARE INCLUDED IN THE PRAJALPA CATEGORY. INTELLIGENT PERSONS INTERESTED IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS SHOULD NEVER TAKE PART IN SUCH ACTIVITIES.
Note: there is a ALSO—- the REAL DANGER of——- TOO MUCH ATTACHMENT/ABSORPTION of THINKING OF of external material subjects—- means—— one has to take such a body IN THAT PARTICULAR SOCIETY he was THINKING ABOUT:
721126BG.HYD Lectures
So the Bhagavad-gita is the only book in the world which teaches to educate these cows and asses to human life. This mass of cows and asses are to be trained with these teachings of Bhagavad-gita. It is the beginning, that vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naro ‘parani. This vasamsi, this body, can be changed. SUPPOSE NOW YOU ARE VERY MUCH A GREAT ENEMY OF PAKISTAN. TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE… I AM NOT… OR PAKISTAN IS THINKING “OH, INDIA, HINDUSTAN, IS OUR GREAT ENEMY.” WHAT IS THIS HINDUSTAN AND PAKISTAN OR RUSSIA? THIS IS THIS BODY. NEXT LIFE, YOU CAN TAKE BIRTH IN RUSSIA, OR YOU CAN TAKE BIRTH IN… THERE IS NO CERTAINTY. YAM YAM VAPI. BUT ACCORDING TO BHAGAVAD-GITA, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, AT THE, AT THE TIME OF DEATH, IF YOU ARE GOING ON THINKING, “OH, PAKISTAN, MY, IS MY ENEMY, ENEMY,” THEN YOU GET A BIRTH IN PAKISTAN. (LAUGHTER) YES. YAM YAM VAPI SMARAN BHAVAM TYAJATY ANTE KALEVARAM. BECAUSE I SHALL GET MY NEXT BODY ACCORDING TO MY MENTAL CONDITION AT THE TIME OF DEATH. So just like our women are taught to become very chaste. Why? That is a process to give her a chance to become a male next life. A, a woman, if he’s, if she is educated to become chaste, attached to the husband, then naturally at the time of death, she’ll think of the man, and she gets immediately… That is promotion. That is promotion. Similarly, if a man is very much attached to his wife, he’ll think at the time of his… He becomes woman. These are the science. Where is the cultivation of this science? Simply all fools.
Bg 8.10 P Attaining the Supreme
The particular use of the word yoga-balena is significant in this verse because WITHOUT PRACTICE of yoga one CANNOT come to this transcendental state of being at the time of death. ONE CANNOT SUDDENLY REMEMBER THE SUPREME LORD AT DEATH UNLESS HE IS PRACTICED IN SOME YOGA SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY THE SYSTEM OF BHAKTI-YOGA. Since one’s mind at death is very disturbed, one should practice transcendence through yoga during one’s life.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/16/11-12/hawaii/february/07/1975
Just like you infect some disease, nature’s law is that you must suffer from that disease. Nobody has got to do anything. The law is so… Nature’s law is like that. If you take more food than you can digest… (aside:) (child crying) Where is that child? Then immediately there will be dysentery. This is nature’s law. If you take more than you can digest, then immediately there will be indigestion, means you cannot assimilate so much food. That is nature’s law. If you touch fire, either you touch or your innocent child touch, the fire will burn it. Fire will not consider that “Here is a child. Let me excuse.” No, it will burn. This is nature’s law. Similarly, the thoughts which you are maintaining DURING YOUR LIFETIME, if that THOUGHT becomes BECOMES PROMINENT—naturally it becomes—at the time of death, THEN you are going to get a SIMILAR body. If you are thinking like a demon, then you get the demon’s body next life. And if you are thinking like a devotee, then you get your next life back to home, back to Godhead. This is nature’s law.
Therefore, if you practice instead of thinking like the demons, how to gratify senses… That is the demonic thought. They are concerned with this body. If you think of Kṛṣṇa, how to serve Him, that is your perfection of life. Because you’ll think at the time of death of Kṛṣṇa. Ante nārāyaṇa-smṛtiḥ [SB 2.1.6]. That is the perfection of life. Ante, at the time of death, if you remember Kṛṣṇa, then your life is successful. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. So we have to do like that, not like the asuras or demons. Thinking must be there, but if you think of this body—how to keep it very comfortably, how to enjoy senses, how to have more money, how to have more men or women, how to see naked dance, how to do, how to this, how to this—then you are demon. And at the time of death, naturally we shall think of. Then I get again demonic life or animal life or tree life.
Note: regards to enthusiasm. HOW to get enthusiasm:
Songs Srila Prabhupada Teaches Nrsimha Prayers 700802NP.LA
IN THE PATH OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS THE FIRST PRINCIPLE IS ENTHUSIASM. IF YOU LACK ENTHUSIASM THEN OTHER THINGS WILL NOT HAPPEN. AND YOU CAN KEEP ENTHUSIASTIC IF YOU FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATION AND CHANT REGULARLY HARE KRSNA MANTRA. OTHERWISE THAT ENTHUSIASM ALSO WILL DRY. So six things are required for advancing Krsna consciousness. The first thing is enthusiasm. Utsahan dhairyat. And patient. And niscayad, with conviction, firm conviction. Utsahan dhairyat niscayad tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. Following the rules and regulation, chalked out plans. And sato vrtteh, dealing very straightforward. No diplomacy, no politics, no duplicity. That will not help. Sato vrtteh. Vrtteh, his profession should be very straightforward. No underhand dealings. Sato vrtteh and sadhu-sanga, and in the association of devotees. SIX THINGS. ENTHUSIASM, PATIENCE, FIRM CONVICTION, FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, DEALING STRAIGHTFORWARD, NO DUPLICITY, AND IN ASSOCIATION OF DEVOTEES. IF YOU CAN KEEP THESE SIX PRINCIPLES ALWAYS IN FRONT THEN YOUR PROGRESS IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS IS SURE. There is no doubt about it. So as far as possible I’ve tried to train you and you are doing nice. I’m satisfied. So keep the standard and go on. March forward and Krsna will bless you. Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. Chant. (break) (prema-dhvani) (end)
72-12-22. Letter: Karandhara
Regarding your points about taxation, corporate status, etc., I have heard from Jayatirtha you want to make big plan for centralization of management, taxes, monies, corporate status, bookkeeping, credit, like that. I do not at all approve of such plan. Do not centralize anything. Each temple must remain independent and self-sufficient. That was my plan from the very beginning, why you are thinking otherwise? Once before you wanted to do something centralizing with your GBC meeting, and if I did not interfere the whole thing would have been killed. Do not think in this way of big corporation, big credits, centralization–these are all nonsense proposals. Only thing I wanted was that books printing and distribution should be centralized, therefore I appointed you and Bali Mardan to do it. Otherwise, management, everything, should be done locally by local men. Accounts must be kept, things must be in order and lawfully done, but that should be each temple’s concern, not yours. Krishna Consciousness Movement is for training men to be independently thoughtful and competent in all types of departments of knowledge and action, not for making bureaucracy. Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. There must be always individual striving and work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. No. Never mind there may be botheration to register each centre, take tax certificate each, become separate corporations in each state. That will train men how to do these things, and they shall develop reliability and responsibility, that is the point. I AM LITTLE OBSERVING NOW, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR COUNTRY, THAT OUR MEN ARE LOSING THEIR ENTHUSIASM FOR SPREADING ON OUR PROGRAMMES OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT. OTHERWISE, WHY SO MANY LETTERS OF PROBLEMS ARE COMING, DISSATISFIED? THAT IS NOT A VERY GOOD SIGN. THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES, THAT I CAN DETECT. WITHOUT THIS, ENTHUSIASM WILL BE LACKING. EVEN MECHANICALLY FOLLOWING, AND IF HE GETS GRADUALLY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CLASS, HE WILL COME TO THE POINT OF SPONTANEOUS ENTHUSIASM. THIS SPONTANEOUS LOVING DEVOTIONAL SERVICE IS NOT SO EASY MATTER, BUT IF ONE SIMPLY STICKS STRICTLY TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, LIKE RISING EARLY, CHANTING 16 ROUNDS, CHANTING GAYATRI, KEEPING ALWAYS CLEAN–THEN HIS ENTHUSIASM WILL GROW MORE AND MORE, AND IF THERE IS ALSO PATIENCE AND DETERMINATION, ONE DAY HE WILL COME TO THE PLATFORM OF SPONTANEOUS DEVOTION, THEN HIS LIFE WILL BE PERFECT. ALL OF THIS I HAVE TOLD YOU IN NECTAR OF DEVOTION. SO I DO NOT THINK THE LEADERS ARE THEMSELVES FOLLOWING, NOR THEY ARE SEEING THE OTHERS ARE FOLLOWING STRICTLY. THAT MUST BE RECTIFIED AT ONCE. Each centre remain independent, that’s all right, but the president and other officers must themselves follow and see the others are following the regulative principles carefully, and giving them good instruction so they may understand nicely why this tapasya is necessary. And GBC and Sannyasis will travel and see the officers are doing this, and if they observe anything lowering of the standard, they must reform and advise, or if there is some discrepancy I shall remove it. Of course, if new men are coming, they may not be expected immediately to take to our regulative principles cent per cent. Therefore we should not be so anxious to induce them to live in the temple. Anyone who lives in the temple must agree to follow the rules and regulations without fail. So if some new man moves in with us he may become discouraged if he is forced in this way. Therefore let them live outside and become gradually convinced in the class why they should accept some austerity, then they will live with us out of their own accord and follow nicely everything. It is very difficult to give up very quickly so many bad habits as you have got in your country, so educate them gradually, first with chanting, and do not be so much anxious to count up so many numbers of new devotees, if such devotees go away later being too early forced. I want to see a few sincere devotees, not many false devotees or pretenders.
72-12-22. Letter: Karandhara
SO MY POINT IS THAT THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES MUST BE FOLLOWED BY EVERYONE. OTHERWISE THEIR ENTHUSIASM DWINDLES AND THEY AGAIN THINK OF SEX AND BECOME RESTLESS, AND SO MANY PROBLEMS ARE THERE. THERE IS SOME SYMPTOM OF MISSING THE POINT. THE POINT IS TO BE ENGAGED IN DOING SOMETHING FOR KRISHNA, NEVER MIND WHAT IS THAT JOB, BUT BEING SO ENGAGED IN DOING SOMETHING VERY MUCH SATISFYING TO THE DEVOTEE THAT HE REMAINS ALWAYS ENTHUSIASTIC. HE WILL AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF HIS OCCUPATIONAL DUTY–BY APPLYING THEM PRACTICALLY AS HIS OCCUPATIONAL DUTY, HE REALISES THE HAPPY RESULT OF REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES. So the future of this Krishna Consciousness movement is very bright, so long the managers remain vigilant that 16 rounds are being chanted by everyone without fail, that they are all rising before four morning, attending mangal arati–our leaders shall be careful not to kill the spirit of enthusiastic service, which is individual and spontaneous and voluntary. They should try always to generate some atmosphere of fresh challenge to the devotees, so that they will agree enthusiastically to rise and meet it. That is the art of management: to draw out spontaneous loving spirit of sacrificing some energy for Krishna. But where are so many expert managers? All of us should become expert managers and preachers. We should not be very much after comforts and become complacent or self-contented. There must be always some tapasya, strictly observing the regulative principles–Krishna Consciousness movement must be always a challenge, a great achievement to be gained by voluntary desire to do it, and that will keep it healthy. So you big managers now try to train up more and more some competent preachers and managers like yourselves. Forget this centralizing and bureaucracy.
Oh! yes, I see what you are saying. Your support of the ”Mad Bandit” (over many years) is Krishna Consciousness but my exposing him (over many years also) by explaining the demonic, material and political dynamic he is associated with, that is NOT Krishna Consciousness, but Gramya Katha!
Knowledge is power. Ignorance is evil. How can knowledge cause one to become depressed and lose enthusiasm? Krishna is all knowing, does this mean that he is depressed or unenthusiastic? The most ignorant persons in the world are the most evil, make the most mistakes and are the most depressed. If anything it will make you more disgusted with the material world! So what is the problem with that? If your disgust for the world increases, then you will become more detached. If you become more desirous of what the world has to offer then your problems and miseries will only increase. If one doesn’t understand the demonic nature then one will become a victim over and over again.
This Mantra 11 from Sri Isopanisad is very important in this regard and posted by Jason Prabhu in one of his above comments (and also Balaram Prabhu a few weeks ago).
“Only one who can learn the process on nescience and transcendental knowledge, side by side, can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality”
Yes!…………… SIDE BY SIDE!
There is a saying “Ignorance is bliss!” but this is a nonsense lie. The most ignorant people are the most miserable! I have some old friends who are ”Christians” but the really sentimental type. One their facebook page are flowers, cute baby animals, rabbits, butterflies and they live in denial of reality and will not hear anything about the Church regarding child abuse, homosex and corruption! This is just a type of sense gratification and illusion, which they try to insulate themselves with so they don’t have to deal with the truth.
Only the Uttama Adhikari can remove himself from these things, ONLY HIM! Because we are not on that platform and we have to preach……we have to distinguish and deal with it or become a victim once again.
Of course as we are approaching death then we should detach and internalize our consciousness if we become advanced enough to enter into samadhi. The Lord will always protect us in our preaching endeavors regardless. But we must at least come to the platform of Madhyam Adhikari so that we can distinguish between the demons and the devotees or we will be misled once again and through ignorance mislead others (even unintentionally).
Dear Sudarsana and Mahesh Prabhus,
Respectful obeisances.
I hear you both. What I’m saying is that it’s up to the individual to decide how to conduct their own Krishna consciousness. Not everyone is the same and neither does everyone think or react the same. We can’t force someone to think like us. All we can do is present the truth as best we can and let the reader decide for him or herself. Just like we present the truth about Srila Prabhupada — some will accept and others will not. There is always free will. Consequently, some devotees may want to know the details of the demoniac forces, and others might be satisfied with the words of Krishna and Srila Prabhupada in this connection (see below) and focus on the solution which is to become Krishna conscious and spread Krishna consciousness to the best of one’s capacity.
“Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.” (BG 16.9)
“It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society.” (SPL September 2, 1970
We’re adults here. No one wants to be told how they should apply the details of Krishna consciousness to their own lives. We’ll each be tested at the time of death. Another jiva or his opinion isn’t going to save us. Only Krishna and Srila Prabhupada can save us.
That being said, you’re both doing a great job of providing valuable information for us all to ponder. Thank you.
Thank you for your thoughts, LW Prabhu. Yes, we are all free to chose that which is favorable for our own Krishna Consciousness, so free will is there. This sort of stuff is in my DNA but others may be more knowledgeable in cow protection, diety worship, kirtana, book distribution etc. I am always glad to hear from others about other aspects of Vaisnava philosophy or culture as these things are all equally important and necessary. Srila Prabhupada wanted that Varnashram Dharma be implemented so as brahmanas we have to at least try to grasp the various dynamics at play (regarding the 4 varnas and asramas) as Lord Krishna can destroy all of the demons (who oppose this) in a mere moment, if he so wishes! or he may allow us to assist Him as realized in Bhagavad Gita.
Haribol Sudarsana Prabhu,
Srila Prabhupada said that we should study the philosophy from “different lights of directions” or from “from different angles of vision.” Since we all have different slants in Krishna consciousness due to our past conditioning, karma, etc., it’s enlivening to churn the ocean of discussion from various points of view. There are as many ways to serve Krishna as there are living entities. So we can all learn from one another despite our differences in the matter of details and personal application of the philosophy. But on the main principle — that Srila Prabhupada is THE bona fide spiritual master — we all agree. So we have more in common than we sometimes realize. If we keep that in mind then the minor differences and details won’t be the cause of so much dissension and animosity. Love of Prabhupada and his teachings is the great harmonizer.
Jaya Prabhupada!!!
Exactly, yes! ……..great comment!
Srila Prabhupada gives some very good advise on -disagreements- devotees have and how to deal with the circumstances:
DISAGREEMENTS
73-10-18 Letter: Kirtanananda
MATERIAL NATURE MEANS DISSENSION AND DISAGREEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS KALI YUGA. BUT, FOR THIS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT ITS SUCCESS WILL DEPEND ON AGREEMENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VARIETIES OF ENGAGEMENTS. . IN THE MATERIAL WORLD THERE ARE VARIETIES, BUT THERE IS NO AGREEMENT. IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD THERE ARE VARIETIES, BUT THERE IS AGREEMENT. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. THE MATERIALIST WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO ADJUST THE VARIETIES AND THE DISAGREEMENTS MAKES EVERYTHING ZERO. THEY CANNOT COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH VARIETIES, BUT IF WE KEEP KRSNA IN THE CENTER, THEN THERE WILL BE AGREEMENT IN VARIETIES. THIS IS CALLED UNITY IN DIVERSITY. I am therefore suggesting that all our men meet in Mayapur every year during the birth anniversary of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. WITH ALL GBC AND SENIOR MEN PRESENT WE SHOULD DISCUSS HOW TO MAKE UNITY IN DIVERSITY. BUT, IF WE FIGHT ON ACCOUNT OF DIVERSITY, THEN IT IS SIMPLY THE MATERIAL PLATFORM. PLEASE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE PHILOSOPHY OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY. THAT WILL MAKE OUR MOVEMENT SUCCESSFUL. ONE SECTION OF MEN HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT, THEREFORE WE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN UNITY IN DIVERSITY, AND REMEMBER THE STORY IN AESOP’S FABLES OF THE FATHER OF MANY CHILDREN WITH THE BUNDLE OF STICKS. WHEN THE FATHER ASKED HIS CHILDREN TO BREAK THE BUNDLE OF STICKS WRAPPED IN A BAG, NONE OF THEM COULD DO IT. BUT, WHEN THEY REMOVED THE STICKS FROM THE BAG, AND TRIED ONE BY ONE, THE STICKS WERE EASILY BROKEN. SO THIS IS THE STRENGTH IN UNITY. IF WE ARE BUNCHED UP, WE CAN NEVER BE BROKEN, BUT WHEN DIVIDED, THEN WE CAN BECOME BROKEN VERY EASILY.
68-05-30 Letter: Umapati
Please accept my blessings. A few days ago I received a nice letter from you in which you wrote nice things, and I was so glad that now you are making progress positively towards Krishna Consciousness. It is understood that Aniruddha and yourself are sometimes not in agreement in subjects concerning Krishna Consciousness. OF COURSE, DISAGREEMENTS MAY BE THERE, BUT THERE SHOULD NOT BE DISSENSION. I SHALL BE GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU WHAT IS THE POINT OF DISSENSION, AND IF IT ISN’T VERY SERIOUS, I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK ANIRUDDHA NOT TO BE AFFECTED BY SUCH FLIMSY DISAGREEMENT.
69-01-21. Letter: Gurudasa, Yamuna
I have received report from Mr. Parikh and others that they are enamored by your behavior, your character, and your devotion. In the newspaper cuttings also they gave such hints. In other words, everyone is appreciating your presentation. Please keep up this standard of behavior. Do not make any artificial discrepancies amongst yourselves because you are acting on a very responsible business. Perhaps you know that there are many political parties in a country, but when the country’s total responsibility has to be executed, they become combined. TO HAVE SOME LITTLE DISAGREEMENTS AMONGST YOURSELVES IS NOT VERY UNNATURAL BECAUSE WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL BEINGS. BUT AS WE ARE ALL WORKING ON BEHALF OF KRISHNA WE SHOULD ALWAYS FORGET OUR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND SEE TO THE PRIME CAUSE.
69-01-23 Letter: Aniruddha
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated January 22, 1969, and I have carefully noted the contents. I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR LETTER THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISAGREEMENTS OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS IN THE TEMPLE, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ALL SUCH DISTURBANCES MUST BE SOLVED PEACEFULLY AND WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION. CIDANANDA IS THE PRESIDENT THERE, AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND RIGHTLY THAT EVERYONE MUST COOPERATE WITH HIM IN KEEPING THE TEMPLE NICELY AND WITHOUT ANY UNNECESSARY TENSIONS.
69-03-23 Letter: Dayala Nitai
Please accept my blessings. I thank you very much for your very nice letter of March 19th, and I can understand how you are feeling. Yes, you must fix up in your mind to spread this message to the French population with our BTG and other books, that is my request. I thank you for sending me the second copy of BTG French edition. So now my only request to you, and especially both to you and Janardana, that you kindly regularly publish one issue every month of this French BTG. That will make you very much happy and will make me always very much happy. And Krishna will bestow all blessings to you in this endeavor. In this connection, if you think that by printing the yogi literature you will get some monetary help, then I give you permission that you can print it. But my standing request is this: Amongst yourselves there should not be any disagreement. WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU DO IT BY JOINT CONSULTATION. Because our center of activities is Krishna, for Krishna’s sake we can sacrifice our life, wealth, words, intelligence, everything. OF COURSE, AS INDIVIDUALS, WE HAVE SOMETIMES DISAGREEMENTS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED KEEPING OUR CENTRAL ATTENTION TO KRISHNA. SO WHAT IS DONE IS DONE; HENCE FORWARD, YOU DO EVERYTHING JOINTLY AND WE SHALL PUT OUT AT LEAST ONE ISSUE OF BTG FRENCH EDITION EVERY MONTH–EVEN IT MAY CONSIST OF ONE PRINTED PAGE ONLY, STILL IT MUST BE PUBLISHED ONCE MONTHLY. THAT IS MY DESIRE.
69-11-26. Letter: Gopala Krsna
Regarding your citizenship in Canada, I agree with this proposal because the service which you are now occupied in is very good service and your bosses have recognized your activities. So gradually it may be that you will improve more and more. But I know that this Pepsi Cola Company attempted their business in India and it was not very successful. Otherwise I would have asked you to transfer yourself in the same service in India. Regarding your marriage, that is my open opinion that if anyone can remain a brahmacari all the time, without being disturbed by sex urge or who can tolerate such urges, there is not any need for him to marry and take some extra responsibilities. But one who is disturbed in mind, he must get himself married. Therefore, it has to be decided by oneself if he should marry or not marry. It is a fact however that if one is thoroughly engaged in Krishna’s service, this sex urge does not have much disturbance. But you have got to work outside with karmis and different types of people. Under the circumstances, if you have a good wife to help you, that will be very nice. Another difficulty is that in modern civilization everyone is independent spirited. The girls are no longer very much humble and submissive to their husbands. So you must be prepared to tolerate such whims of your future wife. ACCORDING TO OUR VEDIC CIVILIZATION, DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE IS NOT TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. BUT THE MODERN AGE ALLOWS DIVORCE EVEN, EITHER BY THE HUSBAND OR BY THE WIFE. THESE THINGS ARE NOT GOOD. BUT AFTER MARRYING, CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE SOME DISAGREEMENT OR MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE. So consider all these points, and you can decide yourself. But if you marry, I have no objection, as I have gotten married so many boys and girls and they are living peacefully. If you marry one Canadian girl, your citizenship will be immediately made, without waiting for time. That is the law in the USA. I do not know what it is in Canada.
71-10-14. Letter: Vrinda
Our ISKCON Society married couples means that both parties fully are engaged in Krishna’s service. I have noted your several complaints against the devotees but it would be better to set the example rather than to criticize the defects of the devotees. We should always remember that we recruit members from people in general. It is not expected that every one of our members should be immediately to the standard qualification. The best thing for you is to set the example by your personal behavior and try to reform the others, not by criticizing but by friendly behavior. IF SOMETIMES THERE ARE ANY DISAGREEMENTS, WE SHOULD TRY TO FORGET SUCH INCIDENCES AND BE ALWAYS IN FRIENDSHIP WITH EACH OTHER. SO I HOPE YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY RETURN TO YOUR HUSBAND AND FORGET ALL THESE DISAGREEMENTS AND FULLY COOPERATE FOR DEVELOPING OUR BERLIN CENTER.
72-02-04. Letter: Atreya Rsi
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your very nice letter of January 10, 1972, and I am very much pleased by the sentiments expressed therein. It is not so much that because there may be some faults in our godbrothers and godsisters, or because there may be some mismanagement or lack of cooperation, that this is due to being impersonalists, no. It is the nature of the living condition to always have some fault. Even in the Spiritual World there is some fault and envy–sometimes the Gopis will quarrel over Krishna’s favor, and once Krishna was so much attracted to Radharani that by mistake he tried to milk the bull instead of the cow, and sometimes when the Gopis used to put on their dress and make-up for seeing Krishna, they would be too much hasty and smear kumkum and mascara in the wrong places and their ornaments and dresses would appear as if small children had been trying to dress themselves and they were not very expert, like that. There are so many examples. But it is not the same as material fault or material envy, it is transcendental because it is all based on Krishna. Sometimes when one Gopi would serve Krishna very nicely, the others would say, Oh, she has done so nicely, now let me do better for pleasing Krishna. That is envy, but it is transcendental, without malice. So we shall not expect that anywhere there is any Utopia. Rather, that is impersonalism. People should not expect that even in the Krishna Consciousness Society there will be Utopia. Because devotees are persons, therefore there will always be some lacking–but the difference is that their lacking, because they ave given up everything to serve Krishna–money, jobs, reputation, wealth, big educations, everything–their lackings have become transcendental because, despite everything they may do, their topmost intention is to serve Krishna. “One who is engaged in devotional service, despite the most abominable action, is to be considered saintly because he is rightly situated.” The devotees of Krishna are the most exalted persons on this planet, better than kings, all of them, so we should always remember that and, like the bumblebee, always look for the nectar or the best qualities of a person. Not like the utopians, who are like the flies who always go to the open sores or find the faults in a person, and because they cannot find any utopia, or because they cannot find anyone without faults, they want to become void, merge, nothing–they think that is utopia, to become void of personality. SO IF THERE IS SOMETIMES SLIGHT DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN DEVOTEES, IT IS NOT DUE TO IMPERSONALISM, BUT IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PERSONS, AND SUCH DISAGREEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. The devotee is always pessimistic about the material world, but he is very optimistic about the spiritual life; so in this way, you should consider that anyone engaged in Krishna’s service is always the best person.
74-12-27. Letter: Parvati
Thank you very much for trying so hard so many times to send me milk sweets, like sandesh, etc. Unfortunately this last time they went bad on the way here, therefore they were not in offerable condition. The fact that you have offered them to me is what counts. Not so much whether I have personally eaten them or not. So thank you for your sincere efforts in pleasing me. Under all circumstances you must remain in the association of devotees. Do not let yourself fall out of this associaton. EVEN IF IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND THERE MAY BE MANY PROBLEMS OR DISAGREEMENTS STILL SIMPLY BY REMAINING IN THE ASSOCIATION OF DEVOTEES AND FOLLOW OUR REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES, CHANTING 16 ROUNDS, RISING EARLY ETC., YOU WILL BECOME PURIFIED. If you leave the associaton of devotees to follow these regulative principles will be very difficult. Therefore stay in the association of devotees and continue making nice milk preparations for the Deities. And when I come there this spring I will be glad to accept them three times a day.
75-03-14 Letter: Bhanutanya
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated March 6, 1975 and have noted the contents. You should understand that Krishna Consciousness is a purificatory process. One may not be purified immediately, but since he is on the right path for purification, one should not criticize him for some faults that he may still have. Just because some body has made some mistakes does that mean that you should give up your whole career in Krishna Consciousness? What will that accomplish? Simply more rebirth and death. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE LEFT OUR MOVEMENT JUST ON ACCOUNT OF SOME MINOR DISAGREEMENTS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GOING BACK TO HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD. I SUGGEST THAT YOU BECOME SERIOUS ABOUT SPIRITUAL LIFE AND TRY TO OVERLOOK THE MINOR OFFENSES OF OTHERS. YOU SHOULD KEEP YOURSELF IN THE ASSOCIATION OF DEVOTEES, CHANT AT LEAST 16 ROUNDS, READ MY BOOKS AND FOLLOW ALL OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS VERY STRICTLY.
76-02-17. Letter: Raja Laksmi
My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point otherwise they are not my disciples. Let one live anywhere, but stick to the principles. DISAGREEMENTS WILL CONTINUE IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD. SO ONE MAY LIVE IN A SUITABLE PLACE, BUT ONE MUST FOLLOW THESE FIVE PRINCIPLES. MY DISCIPLES MUST FOLLOW THESE PRINCIPLES LIVING EITHER IN HEAVEN OR HELL.
72-09-09. Letter: Krsna dasa
Regarding your questions you say that amongst the elder disciples there are still symptoms of greed, anger, strife, bickering, etc., but you are one of them. You are one of the old students, so you fall in that group. So the fighting is among that group, but not amongst the real workers. THERE WAS FIGHTING AMONGST THE GOPIS ALSO, SO WE CANNOT EXPECT THERE WILL BE SOME UTOPIA WITHOUT FIGHTING, THERE IS EVEN IN THE SPIRITUAL SKY TRANSCENDENTAL GREED, LUST, ENVY, LIKE THAT. BUT THAT IS TRANSCENDENTAL. HAMSADUTA IS MAINTAINING HIS POSITION OF SERVICE, SO WHY, EVEN IF A LITTLE FIGHTING, YOU SHOULD GO AWAY? WE SHOULD NEVER GIVE UP OUR DUTY. MY GODBROTHERS ALWAYS DISCOURAGED ME BUT I DID NOT GIVE UP, I AM DOING MY DUTY AND ALWAYS KEEPING MY SPIRITUAL MASTER IN FRONT. EVEN THERE IS SOME DIFFICULTY OR HARDSHIP, OR EVEN MY GODBROTHERS MAY NOT COOPERATE OR THERE MAY BE FIGHTING, STILL, I MUST PERFORM MY DUTY TO MY SPIRITUAL MASTER AND NOT BECOME DISCOURAGED AND GO AWAY, THAT IS MY WEAKNESS.
68-05-30. Letter: Umapati
It is understood that Aniruddha and yourself are sometimes not in agreement in subjects concerning Krishna Consciousness. OF COURSE, DISAGREEMENTS MAY BE THERE, BUT THERE SHOULD NOT BE DISSENSION. I shall be glad to hear from you what is the point of dissension, and if it isn’t very serious, I think you should ask Aniruddha not to be affected by such flimsy disagreement.
69-01-21.Letter: Gurudasa, Yamuna
I have received report from Mr. Parikh and others that they are enamored by your behavior, your character, and your devotion. In the newspaper cuttings also they gave such hints. In other words, everyone is appreciating your presentation. Please keep up this standard of behavior. Do not make any artificial discrepancies amongst yourselves because you are acting on a very responsible business. Perhaps you know that there are many political parties in a country, but when the country’s total responsibility has to be executed, they become combined. TO HAVE SOME LITTLE DISAGREEMENTS AMONGST YOURSELVES IS NOT VERY UNNATURAL BECAUSE WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL BEINGS. BUT AS WE ARE ALL WORKING ON BEHALF OF KRISHNA WE SHOULD ALWAYS FORGET OUR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND SEE TO THE PRIME CAUSE.
69-01-23.Letter: Aniruddha
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated January 22, 1969, and I have carefully noted the contents. I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR LETTER THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISAGREEMENTS OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS IN THE TEMPLE, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ALL SUCH DISTURBANCES MUST BE SOLVED PEACEFULLY AND WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION. Cidananda is the president there, and I think you understand rightly that everyone must cooperate with him in keeping the temple nicely and without any unnecessary tensions.
69-03-23.Letter: Dayala Nitai
But my standing request is this: AMONGST YOURSELVES THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY DISAGREEMENT. WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU DO IT BY JOINT CONSULTATION. Because our center of activities is Krishna, for Krishna’s sake we can sacrifice our life, wealth, words, intelligence, everything. OF COURSE, AS INDIVIDUALS, WE HAVE SOMETIMES DISAGREEMENTS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED KEEPING OUR CENTRAL ATTENTION TO KRISHNA. SO WHAT IS DONE IS DONE; HENCE FORWARD, YOU DO EVERYTHING JOINTLY and we shall put out at least one issue of BTG French edition every month–even it may consist of one printed page only, still it must be published once monthly. That is my desire.
71-10-14.Letter: Vrinda
THE BEST THING FOR YOU IS TO SET THE EXAMPLE BY YOUR PERSONAL BEHAVIOR AND TRY TO REFORM THE OTHERS, NOT BY CRITICIZING BUT BY FRIENDLY BEHAVIOR. IF SOMETIMES THERE ARE ANY DISAGREEMENTS, WE SHOULD TRY TO FORGET SUCH INCIDENCES AND BE ALWAYS IN FRIENDSHIP WITH EACH OTHER.
72-02-04. Letter: Atreya Rsi
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your very nice letter of January 10, 1972, and I am very much pleased by the sentiments expressed therein. It is not so much that because there may be some faults in our godbrothers and godsisters, or because there may be some mismanagement or lack of cooperation, that this is due to being impersonalists, no. It is the nature of the living condition to always have some fault. Even in the Spiritual World there is some fault and envy–sometimes the Gopis will quarrel over Krishna’s favor, and once Krishna was so much attracted to Radharani that by mistake he tried to milk the bull instead of the cow, and sometimes when the Gopis used to put on their dress and make-up for seeing Krishna, they would be too much hasty and smear kumkum and mascara in the wrong places and their ornaments and dresses would appear as if small children had been trying to dress themselves and they were not very expert, like that. There are so many examples. But it is not the same as material fault or material envy, it is transcendental because it is all based on Krishna. Sometimes when one Gopi would serve Krishna very nicely, the others would say, Oh, she has done so nicely, now let me do better for pleasing Krishna. That is envy, but it is transcendental, without malice. So we shall not expect that anywhere there is any Utopia. Rather, that is impersonalism. People should not expect that even in the Krishna Consciousness Society there will be Utopia. Because devotees are persons, therefore there will always be some lacking–but the difference is that their lacking, because they ave given up everything to serve Krishna–money, jobs, reputation, wealth, big educations, everything–their lackings have become transcendental because, despite everything they may do, their topmost intention is to serve Krishna. “One who is engaged in devotional service, despite the most abominable action, is to be considered saintly because he is rightly situated.” The devotees of Krishna are the most exalted persons on this planet, better than kings, all of them, so WE SHOULD ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT AND, LIKE THE BUMBLEBEE, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE NECTAR OR THE BEST QUALITIES OF A PERSON. NOT LIKE THE UTOPIANS, WHO ARE LIKE THE FLIES WHO ALWAYS GO TO THE OPEN SORES OR FIND THE FAULTS IN A PERSON, AND BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND ANY UTOPIA, OR BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND ANYONE WITHOUT FAULTS, THEY WANT TO BECOME VOID, MERGE, NOTHING–THEY THINK THAT IS UTOPIA, TO BECOME VOID OF PERSONALITY. SO IF THERE IS SOMETIMES SLIGHT DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN DEVOTEES, IT IS NOT DUE TO IMPERSONALISM, BUT IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PERSONS, AND SUCH DISAGREEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY.
73-10-18. Letter: Kirtanananda
Material nature means dissension and disagreement, especially in this Kali yuga. But, for this Krsna consciousness movement its success will depend on agreement, even though there are varieties of engagements. . In the material world there are varieties, but there is no agreement. In the spiritual world there are varieties, but there is agreement. That is the difference. The materialist without being able to adjust the varieties and the disagreements makes everything zero. They cannot come into agreement with varieties, but if we keep Krsna in the center, then there will be agreement in varieties. This is called unity in diversity. I am therefore suggesting that all our men meet in Mayapur every year during the birth anniversary of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. With all GBC and senior men present we should discuss how to make unity in diversity. But, if we fight on account of diversity, then it is simply the material platform. PLEASE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE PHILOSOPHY OF UNITY IN DIVERSITY. THAT WILL MAKE OUR MOVEMENT SUCCESSFUL. ONE SECTION OF MEN HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT, THEREFORE WE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN UNITY IN DIVERSITY, AND REMEMBER THE STORY IN AESOP’S FABLES OF THE FATHER OF MANY CHILDREN WITH THE BUNDLE OF STICKS. WHEN THE FATHER ASKED HIS CHILDREN TO BREAK THE BUNDLE OF STICKS WRAPPED IN A BAG, NONE OF THEM COULD DO IT. BUT, WHEN THEY REMOVED THE STICKS FROM THE BAG, AND TRIED ONE BY ONE, THE STICKS WERE EASILY BROKEN. SO THIS IS THE STRENGTH IN UNITY. IF WE ARE BUNCHED UP, WE CAN NEVER BE BROKEN, BUT WHEN DIVIDED, THEN WE CAN BECOME BROKEN VERY EASILY.
75-03-14. Letter: Bhanutanya
You should understand that Krishna Consciousness is a purificatory process. One may not be purified immediately, but since he is on the right path for purification, one should not criticize him for some faults that he may still have. Just because some body has made some mistakes does that mean that you should give up your whole career in Krishna Consciousness? What will that accomplish? Simply more rebirth and death. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE LEFT OUR MOVEMENT JUST ON ACCOUNT OF SOME MINOR DISAGREEMENTS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GOING BACK TO HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD. I SUGGEST THAT YOU BECOME SERIOUS ABOUT SPIRITUAL LIFE AND TRY TO OVERLOOK THE MINOR OFFENSES OF OTHERS. You should keep yourself in the association of devotees, chant at least 16 rounds, read my books and follow all of the rules and regulations very strictly.
76-02-17.Letter: Raja Laksmi
My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point otherwise they are not my disciples. Let one live anywhere, but stick to the principles. DISAGREEMENTS WILL CONTINUE IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD. SO ONE MAY LIVE IN A SUITABLE PLACE, BUT ONE MUST FOLLOW THESE FIVE PRINCIPLES. MY DISCIPLES MUST FOLLOW THESE PRINCIPLES LIVING EITHER IN HEAVEN OR HELL.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari: There is a saying “Ignorance is bliss!” but this is a nonsense lie. The most ignorant people are the most miserable! I have some old friends who are ”Christians” but the really sentimental type. One their facebook page are flowers, cute baby animals, rabbits, butterflies and they live in denial of reality and will not hear anything about the Church regarding child abuse, homosex and corruption! This is just a type of sense gratification and illusion, which they try to insulate themselves with so they don’t have to deal with the truth.
Mahesh: Let me tell you of something I experienced recently. I went to see some VERY VERY VERY RICH family friend who I heard had some serious medical issues. He is pious —and extremely respectful to me so as soon as I entered his house he welcomed me and my mother I was about to sit down on a sofa chair but he showed me another seat instead – said this was German make good stuff. And—-he had me sit there instead. Very expensive. The seat was a message functional and he pressed the electric switch and gave me the control. So here I was – taking message on this expensive electric messaging seat and talking to him. Seemed like a bone crusher to me.
And I——– wanted to talk to him about Krsna Consciousness —but he was deeply absorbed glancing at the BIG television – it was Cricket playing. So as you can see the “Ignorance is bliss” factor IS there. However, we do not see THEIR side of “bliss”—- and— they do not see our side. His medical condition was very HIGH risk so I was trying to point him to the direction that he should now read Srila Prabhupada’s books, chant Hare Krsna. But Cricket seemed draw more to his attention. He is very respectful, very pious person. Very intelligent in business affairs.
Bg 2.69 T Contents of the Gita Summarized
ya nisa sarva-bhutanam
tasyam jagarti samyami
yasyam jagrati bhutani
sa nisa pasyato muneh
SYNONYMS
ya–what; nisa–is night; sarva–all; bhutanam–of living entities; tasyam–in that; jagarti–wakeful; samyami–the self-controlled; yasyam–in which; jagrati–awake; bhutani–all beings; sa–that is; nisa–night; pasyatah–for the introspective; muneh–sage.
TRANSLATION
What is night for all beings is the time of awakening for the self-controlled; and the time of awakening for all beings is night for the introspective sage.
PURPORT
THERE ARE TWO CLASSES OF INTELLIGENT MEN. THE ONE IS INTELLIGENT IN MATERIAL ACTIVITIES FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION, AND THE OTHER IS INTROSPECTIVE AND AWAKE TO THE CULTIVATION OF SELF-REALIZATION. ACTIVITIES OF THE INTROSPECTIVE SAGE, OR THOUGHTFUL MAN, ARE NIGHT FOR PERSONS MATERIALLY ABSORBED. MATERIALISTIC PERSONS REMAIN ASLEEP IN SUCH A NIGHT DUE TO THEIR IGNORANCE OF SELF-REALIZATION. THE INTROSPECTIVE SAGE REMAINS ALERT IN THE “NIGHT” OF THE MATERIALISTIC MEN. The sage feels transcendental pleasure in the gradual advancement of spiritual culture, whereas the man in materialistic activities, being asleep to self-realization, dreams of varieties of sense pleasure, feeling sometimes happy and sometimes distressed in his sleeping condition. The introspective man is always indifferent to materialistic happiness and distress. He goes on with his self-realization activities undisturbed by material reaction.
Indeed, Side By Side i.e. Vidya – Knowledge, Spiritual knowledge and Avidya – Ignorance, aka Mundane knowledge both are being shared by Mahesh Prabhu and Sudarsana Prabhu respectively.
We, the students of cultivating Krsna consciousness, can never have enough Vidya shared by Mahesh Prabhu and in the same token having more than enough Avidya can indulge ONE into Prajalpa. That is the danger.
Not knowing Avidya being utilized and getting it exploited all in the name of cultivating Krsna Consciousness also becomes equally dangerous which ultimately needs to be exposed its dangerous situation in and around the students who are serious and sincere in cultivating Krsna Consciousness.
In the words of Sudarsana Prabhu which read ; “Only the Uttama Adhikari can remove himself from these things, ONLY HIM! Because we are not on that platform and we have to preach……we have to distinguish and deal with it or become a victim once again. ”
Therefore, our focus must be on the VANI of our Jagat Guru HDG. Srila Prabhupada as He says in ISP. verse 11 translation ;
“Only one who can learn the process on nescience and transcendental knowledge, side by side, can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality”
Hope it meets the Readers satisfactory .
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
To support my statement ;
” Not knowing Avidya being utilized and getting it exploited all in the name of cultivating Krsna Consciousness also becomes equally dangerous which ultimately needs to be exposed its dangerous situation in and around the students who are serious and sincere in cultivating Krsna Consciousness.”
I find the endorsement at the back cover of Back To Prabhupada on each and every issue of the Magazine which reads ; ” The Final Order by Krishnakant Desai has been perhaps the most influential post – 1977 publication in the Vaisnava world ” by – HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami, Iskcon guru – is very much MISLEADING and CHEATING hypocritically because this Swami BVK does not practise and promote what he preaches and more over what the Final Order says.
I wonder why Krishnakant Desai decides to put that writing at the back cover of BTP Magazine ? Does any body know and aware of it ?
Another good example in the CONCERN is as brought out by Mahesh Prabhu ;
Mahesh Raja says in his comment which reads :
5. April 2018 at 3:31 pm
Note: I think—– they have compromised with the bogus gurus. Some deal brokered so that they CHANGE the name RITVIK SYSTEM to something that is giving BOTH sides some COMPROMISE settlement. We do not hear anymore of Court Cases — obvious there is some COMPROMISE settlement otherwise —WHY???? change the RITVIK SYSTEM to something else:
http://www.iskcontimes.com/we-are-not-following-ritvik-system-we-are-following-prabhupadacharya-system/
Unfortunately, if these folks do not accept the RITVIK SYSTEM as ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada (9th July 1977) then they have to accept KARMA KANDA activities which means—– accepting the frutive acts and the RESULTANT Karma (THE SEEDS OF KARMA-BIJA) which awards them the NEXT bodies:
SB 4.29.78 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
While in the subtle body, we create many plans to enjoy sense gratification. These plans are recorded in the spool of one’s mind as bija, the root of fruitive activities. In conditional life the living entity creates a series of bodies one after another, and this is called karma-bandhana. AS EXPLAINED IN BHAGAVAD-GITA (3.9), YAJNARTHAT KARMANO ‘NYATRA LOKO ‘YAM-KARMA-BANDHANAH: IF WE ACT ONLY FOR THE SATISFACTION OF VISNU, THERE IS NO BONDAGE DUE TO MATERIAL ACTIVITY, BUT IF WE ACT OTHERWISE, WE BECOME ENTRAPPED BY ONE MATERIAL ACTIVITY AFTER ANOTHER. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS TO BE SUPPOSED THAT BY THINKING, FEELING AND WILLING, WE ARE CREATING A SERIES OF FUTURE MATERIAL BODIES. IN THE WORDS OF BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA, ANADI KARAMA-PHALE, PADI’ BHAVARNAVA JALE. THE LIVING ENTITY FALLS INTO THE OCEAN OF KARMA-BANDHANA AS A RESULT OF PAST MATERIAL ACTIVITIES. INSTEAD OF PLUNGING ONESELF INTO THE OCEAN OF MATERIAL ACTIVITY, ONE SHOULD ACCEPT MATERIAL ACTIVITY ONLY TO MAINTAIN BODY AND SOUL TOGETHER. The rest of one’s time should be devoted to engaging in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In this way one can attain relief from the reactions of material activity.
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Certainly these are very dangerously happenings going on around us which need awareness
Make no mistake that dwelling on these awareness do create impediments in our subtle body as explained in the verse SB 4.29.78 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi .
Therefore, all of us have to regularize our daily activities under the Instructions of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, Amar Puri Prabhu
‘Back to Prabhupada’ Issue 57, Volume 1, 2018 The cover entitled: ‘The Guru Hoax’s Hellish Consequences’ is self explanatory, yet Bhakti Vikash who is himself a “bogus guru” is ‘plugging Krishnakant Desai’s book THE FINAL ORDER and at the same time IGNORING Srila Prabhupada’s final order to practice being another ‘bogus guru, lapdog’ and part of a collective of FISKCON “bogus gurus”
Sudarsana Das Prabhu says ; ” …..Bhakti Vikash who is himself a “bogus guru” is ‘plugging Krishnakant Desai’s book THE FINAL ORDER and at the same time IGNORING Srila Prabhupada’s final order to practice being another ‘bogus guru,…”
And the same way, Revised and Re-edited Bhagavad Gita by the present Management of Iskcon, at the back of it, the endorsement of Mahatma Gandhi does appear whereas Srila Prabhupada has said many times that millions and millions of innocent people have been misled by the interpretation of the Bhagavad Gita by Mahatma Gandhi, one of the World reknown Scholar and Politician .
That is why the present Isckon Management and Iskcon gurus of all kinds have become totally CORRUPTED in misleading millions and millions of innocent people. That is the extreme danger I am referring to in my comments which need to be exposed all the time.
We are indeed fortunate to have the association of the like minded people here on this net including Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu who is very much expert in bringing out such FACTS in exposing out the CORRUPTED LEADERS in the present Iskcon management and its activities. This is a WAR itself.
All we have to do is simply follow Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and distribute it without any addition or deletion to it.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, Mahesh Raja Prabhu. This wealthy man, because of his piety, may accrue much more facility and good karma, as he is not engaged in criminal activities. There is nothing wrong in accumulating wealth by honest means as a householder, this being also in accordance with the Sastras. Madhu Pandit on the other hand is just a grubby thief and rascal who is using and exploiting Srila Prabhupada’s movement with bogus programs which reflect his involvement with UN, Agenda 21 GMO Corporate ”Food Control”.
These CIA Ford Foundation programs are linked to the recent Rothschild Banking System “reforms” and underpin the demons increasing zeal for technological “advancement” and industrialization to create mass slavery conditions (and economic dependence) for the poorest people in India. This Madhu Pandit is one of these academically inspired technocrats who is ‘saddled up’ with these Illuminati corporate fascists to exploit, endebt and enslave the population under a New World Order program of mass slavery.
It is necessary to understand the misdirected, mendacious aspirations and goals of these persons who represent secret societies, materialistic technocrats, unworkable political ideologies and satanic, perverse, occult cabbalists and expose them TO AVOID BECOMING THEIR VICTIMS AND IN THE PROCESS CHEAT OTHERS (however unintentionally).
Dear Jason Walter. I can see that you have learned the essence of our Krsna Consciousness Science,and have taken your valuable time to expand nicely on the very important lessons of Srila Prabhuada’s teachings. I certainly,which via Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, approve of your realizations and calculations as in transparency with our philosophy. The comparisons of the actors of both sides of the Battle of Kurukshetra ,in contrast with the demoniac families controlling the World through the monetary system and the systematic and Lexicographic miss-arrangements of Academia,with the aim of controlling the masses with Atheistic ideas that deny the supremacy of God,is not necessarily compared with the Shankya philosophy or that study which differentiate between matter and spirit and which should be studied side by side as you have correctly quoted from Sri Isha Upanishad. The actors of the battle of Kurukshetra were both belonging to the Kuru dynasty,with the inclusion of the family directly related to King Pandu, The side of Dhirarastra was arranged by Krsna to side with the selfish desires of Duryodana,and the result generally speaking, was that Krsna’s plan of speaking the Bhagavad Gita for posterity’s purpose was successfully executed. The rest is detailed information,and i;m sure you are quite familiar with. Te apparent bewilderment of Arjuna,was part of that plan directly manufactured by Krsna,since “Krsna directly control the mental equilibrium of his pure devotees”,there was no real bewilderment of Arjuna,who was under the spell of Yoga Maya,or the transcendental bewildering energy of the lord that assist him in his pastimes. As far as your other numerous writings, i found no disagreements with most of it,all and except that as far as not been shy of exposing the demoniac nature and the activities of the demons,it is advisable not to engage in naming directly the characters participants in those demoniac activities in the World today. Srila Prabhupada didn’t approved of publicly exposing the names of individuals responsible,but was approaching the subject in general terms,as to explain the mentality behind these demoniac activities and by that proof,understand how things are going on in the material World,in order to accept and reject accordingly, in order to solve the problems of life,and perfectly apply ourselves to it. Your servant Vadiraja das.
Hare Krsna Vadiraja dasa
please accept my apologies for spelling your name wrongly previously and excuse me for my raucous nature, and thank you for your time and response Prabhu. yes i agree Real Sankhya Yoga that was expounded by Lord Kapiladeva, the son of Devahuti, is finding Bhagavan by analyzing His separated material energies, progressing through those to eventually arrive at His expansion as The Supersoul and then ultimately Him in His Original Form, all the while understanding we are a small part and parcel of the Origin, The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, and then engaging in Pure Devotional Service to Sri Krsna, through the legitimate Acarya’s Mercy, Who is Srila Prabhupada.
also i respect your vision of exposing names of individuals, as Srila Prabhupada did speak about the many fake avataras, his black snake godbrother, other rascal godbrothers, gandhi, etc. etc. Obviously this wasn’t His main agenda nor am i Him, nor was the internet available then, so again i respect your view Prabhu.
just to reveal my angle of vision on the topic about the present day application of the Battle of Kuruksetra, the actors not aligned with the Pandavas, were/are, of the same caliber and performing the same type of activities as todays current actors. they may be called durydhonas, or karnas, or dronacaryas or current names, but like then, they have done and are doing some egregiously violent crimes to God Himself, His Pure Devotees, and wrecking havoc everywhere i look.
from my studies through Srila Prabhupada’s Vani and Sastra, which i know you know too due to being a very learned fellow, Sri Krsna arranged this battle and arrived Himself in His Original Form because of many many things like Lord Brahma and the other Demigods going to the Ocean of Milk, with and on behalf of Goddess Bhumi, and praying to Lord Visnu for help, due to Her and Her “children” being overburdened by the ruthless individuals who dared to call themselves kings and there entourages, the disrobing of Draupadi, the usurping of the kingdom from Maharaja Yudisthira and His Brothers plus the other things they endured, banishing to the forest etc., and also to establish The True Religion, Bhakti Yoga.
yes of course i agree with you wholeheartedly about Sri Arjuna being a Pure Devotee and being so intimately connected with Sri Krsna which is why He was personally chosen by Sri Krsna to be instructed the most confidential and ancient knowledge of the jivas eternal relationship with The Supreme Personality of Godhead for our benefit, and then to kill basically everyone on the other side. It was just Him this was personally spoken too, in front of everyone, and maybe some of the phalanxes could hear it too ( my speculation.)
in todays war, which i am sure you are fully aware of, we are trying to kill ignorance in the same mood as Sri Arjuna with Srila Prabhupada’s guidance, not their gross body, because in many respects they are already dead. in this war i see, hear and feel the presence Lord Caintanya and His associates like Srila Prabhupada,due to Lord Caitanyas benediction in the Form and Words of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, The Holy names, Prasadam, and unmolested Vani and Sastra i also see too the other side can change it’s philosophies and positions by accepting pure and easy instructions, but only if Srila Prabhupada and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu so desire. if They so desire the opposing party can at least begin to change, ie. start back Home Back to Godhead in this life, and relinquish the lower modes of nature, as i was permitted the opportunity to start to relearn what i wanted to forget by Their mercy, and Their mercy alone. so i have no other capacity or powers then to pass this message on undisturbed.
in all my dealings i am just relying on Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna to protect me, calling out names or not. my agenda isn’t steadily calling out names of the mischievous rascals and there institutions, like the newly invented iskcon, or other atheistic cults or sects, nor is that my goal. i prefer to speak only about the Supreme Personality of Godhead Sri Krsna and His Pure Devotees and Their activities from Bonafide and Authentic Sources, specifically and solely Srila Prabhupada’s Transcendental Literature, when i interact with our Godsiblings, but at times, in my dealings, due to time, place and circumstance, people ask questions of what is going on, why is it going on, who are the players, how and when am i participating, why have i been cheated, who is a player in that game of cheating etc etc. so just to differentiate what is the Transcendental Path and it’s participants and aspiring participants vs. the other side, their actions and participants, a dichotomy of the two is presented. Just like in the beginning of Srimad Bhagavatam, all cheating religions are kicked out. 99.9 % of things occurring on these island are those cheating religions, and when meeting people, passing out Gitas, Prasdam, doing Hari-nama Sankirtanas, we are trying to kick out those very subtle cheating religions.
so at times it does happen, not that i’m overeager or anything else but in this war and where i am situated in it, i have to have real answers to their questions to build a rapport and not to look like some dogmatic idiot. so i just relay the information so then they can make an informed decision when i am asked about whatever. obviously Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna can protect me or not protect me, whether i drop a name or two or not, that is completely Their free will, and i am content with Their decisions with what happens to me and also what occurs in this war.
Thank you for your time and i am hoping and praying all is well in Krsna Consciousness with you and your surroundings Prabhu. Hare Krsna.
a nobody named jason
Jaya Prabhupada
Hare Krsna Jason Walter prabhu,
Thank you for your excellent broadminded response. You are truly a ‘Prabhupada’ man.
Yfs,
Balaram das.
Dear Jason Prabhu. Dandavat pranams.
Here are a few (out of many) persons that Srila Prabhupada PUBLICLY EXPOSED AND DEFEATED. I shall include their association with secret societies, philosophies and manufactured, speculative dogmas also (after their names) most of which are mentioned in ‘The Protocols of the “Learned” Elders of Sion’, I will leave it to others to decide if that is,’just a coincidence!’
SIGMUND FREUD (Cabbalist Jew, Freemason, Sabbhatean sex cult Satanist {backed by B’nai B’rith}) AUGUST COMTE (Freemason) CARL GUSTAV JUNG (Freemason) KARL MARX (Communist, Jewish Freemason) WILLIAM JAMES (Pragmatist, Theosophical Society, (Satanic) SOCRATES (Homosexual, pedophile) JEAN PAUL SARTE (Communist, Existentialist, Anarchist) JOHN DEWEY Communist, Atheist, “Father” of “Modern Education”) THOMAS AQUINAS (Catholic) JOHN DUNS SCOTUS (Scolasticism, “Franciscan”, was actually a Templar who fled Paris in 1307 purge!) NICCOLA MACHIAVELLI (Illuminati) FRANCIS BACON (Masonic, Rosicrucian) THOMAS HOBBES (Freemason, Satanist) BENEDICT SPINOZA (Freemason Jew, Regional Grand Lodge of Triveneto, Italy) GOTTFRIED VON LEIBNITZ (“Rationalist”,Freemason) JOHN LOCKE (Empiricist, Freemason) DAVID HUME (Empiricist, Freemason, Satanist) CHARLES DARWIN (Freemason) just to name a few.
Srila Prabhupada was a supreme commander and strategist, he didn’t play all his cards at once while he was developing his Brahmastra (his trancendental books), as this was his prime mission “The Secret Weapon” as he used to say. So much of his time was devoted to this (otherwise the demons would have ”got to him” sooner and the ”secret weapon” (and his mission) would be INCOMPLETE.
This is called strategy. Srila Prabhupada was ahead of their game, he was nobody’s fool and he tricked them all. So the ‘genie’ is already out of the bottle and unstoppable, in spite of all these grubby, littte demons trying to stop, hinder and harass. They are already dead! This is Srila Prabhupada’s genius!
Nice to hear your thoughts…..
Daso Smi
Sudarsana.
Dear Jason. Thanks for your mindfulness and nice words. Srila Prabhupada did sometimes mentioned names like Nehru,Hitler,Gandhi,Kennedy,Churchill…etc. Some favorable and some unfavorable comments about those individuals. I’m speaking about my objections in public forums,and not among ourselves in our privacy. There is no injunction against discussions of the political situation of the World or even reading news papers,but when promoting our philosophy to an untrained audience,we should abstain from dueling too much on naming the demoniac players,and using discretion,speak in eneral about the demoniac activities of materialistic people. Our approach should be to offer an alternative by distributing his Divine Grace’s books,and letting him speak to the people of the World. Of course we accept any challenges and are ready to answer any questions regarding our movement . Those who are more experienced can expand Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and purports according to our particular level of realization,as he wished we do. Thanks for your valuable time and i also wish you make more and more advancement in Krsna Consciousness,by the help of Srila Prabhupada,as you are his uninitiated disciple and have the right to speak on his behalf. Hari bol.
75-06-03. Letter: Mahamsa
My dear Mahamsa Swami,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 24-5-75 and have noted the contents. Regarding Acyutananda’s preaching, what is the use of criticizing Sai Baba and creating some enemies? Do not do this in public meetings. It is different to do it in a private meeting.
Hare Krsna Prabhu’s !
please accept my ecstatic obeisances !
All Glory to Srila Prabhupada !!!
Thank you all for all your advice, direction and information. Surdarsana Prabhu, thank you sir i agree with you on your observations and explanations of Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Tactics, being unmeasurably ahead of the naradhama’s due to being a NItya Siddha Devotee of Sri Krsna. Balarama Prabhu, thank you for your gracious words. Vadiraja Prabhu, thank you for your polite response, and Mahesh Raja, thank you for the Srila Prabhupada letter.
i appreciate and respect all of you as Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, Prabhupadanugas, and understand what everyone is saying in this conversation. i am very relieved to see cool minded individuals with the exact same goal, serving Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna, being able to have a dialogue while in public spaces, always with reference to Srila Prabhupada. it seems as if it is suppose to occur like this, in a liberal brahmanical fashion, ie, with nothing to hide Vadiraja Prabhu, also, thank you for the blessings of progression in Krsna Consciousness, i pray the same to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna everyday, maybe one sweet day i will surrender completely to Their Divine Instructions. Praying all is well with all of you and your surroundings in Krsna Consciousness. Hare Krsna !
a nobody named jason walter
Jaya Prabhupada !!!
Thanks, Mahesh Raja prabhu. You ave made my point showing that letter.
Good point. The public meetings Srila Prabhupada is referring to are temple preaching programs, meant to glorify Lord Sri Krishna and His transcendental pastimes and also the transcendental pastime of The Lords associates including the Acharyas within our disciplic succession. So this is just a question of ‘time and place’ in my humble opinion, as a temple program is not meant for such personal criticisms.
On the other hand our previous Acharya Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur had the “god-man pretender” Bisikisena arrested, man-handled (cutting off his hair) and thrown in jail as a reprisal to his rascal, bogus behavior. This was of course befitting his role as a magistrate, even though many ordinary, less advanced persons thought this was a great offense and voiced many objections.
“Public” forums means,preaching engagements in Universities,Halls and College programs,where we are invited to speak and hold lectures. Charu Das(Utah) and me, used to attend Colleges and High Schools for preaching engagements.Mahatma and me also went to Colleges and Universities to pass on Srila Prabhupada’s books and speak to Students on our Philosophy,while we hold Kirtans and showed the Fate Studios Dioramas. Temple programs are not public venues but places where we hold Bhagavatam and Bhagavad Gita classes,where devotees assembled together to hear and chant. To create sensationalism is not our approach,and it will only do good as a National Enquirer story and not our style or preaching strategy. The internet is mostly public,and perhaps this venue of Prabhupadanugas as gathered here could not be harmful. Scientists and professors met with Srila Prabhupada in garden conversations, and Srila Prabhupada was very tactful in preaching to Academia.
Many on this forum also engaged in such preaching forums, colleges, universities, high schools etc (myself included), I also ran a weekly radio program in Auckland NZ and made diorama displays for public libraries, fibre-optic displays, built Rathayatra carts (and horses) Vyasasanas, pallaquins, outdoor displays, ran the BBT NZ, lead kirtanas and gave classes in public forums.
Most of the devotees on this site, no longer live in temples (for reasons that are obvious) and so make full use of this forum. I (together with Balaram Prabhu decided to cease commenting on this forum due to (disagreements which have now been amicably resolved) but decided to resume commenting (speaking for myself) and writing articles as the result of many requests from other Vaisnavas on this site.
The National Enquirer that you mentioned is owned by Roger Altman (American Media) who is an investment banker and formerly held the Treasury Portfolio under serial pedophile, Bill (I did not have sexual relations with that woman) Clinton and key player within the Illuminati. He is a member of CFR and also a member of the Bilderberg Group (which are 2, of the 6 main components of The Round Table (who all meet in secret.) The “Enquirer” is ‘toilet paper’ and a typical Illuminati trash propaganda rag, which broadcasts trivia, hysteria, false information and a false paradigm world view based upon the social conditioning they have formulated (in their secret corporate meetings) to foist upon the brain-dead, moronic, gullible, cheated public.
One would have to be highly delusional or naive, to think that they would publish any expose’ written by me to expose their hidden, corrupt agenda and demonic wold view.
Hare Krsna
Sudarsana Prabhu wants to give these informations to devotees. These informations are useful but not for everyone. How should he do this in other way, please? This site is public but i think the readers are devotees in majority. And the truth be should be spoken.
At present ISKCON is FISKCON and ritvik devotees are chased away in the world and our Spiritual Master was “killed” and his movement is deviated. What should Sudarsana Prabhu do? Does he should keep silence?
Hare Krsna
The interesting thing about today’s Temple “preaching” in ISKCON——- is—— they are NOT allowed to speak against persons who are Anti Ritvik bogus gurus like Radhanatha OR name them. The gang of Anti Ritvik CROOKS are NOT NAMED – although – they are operating against Srila Prabhupada for the fear of expulsion from ISKCON:
Gargamuni Prabhu Speaks Out About Radhanatha Maharaja July 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioSD7sUnJ2Y
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Gargamuni Speaks Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endPgB3T4DE
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Gargamuni and his brother were always a pleasure to visit in Vrindavan due to their early years nectar they spoke on,
Brahmananda book “swamiji”
is a must to read for more nectar.
Last year, seeing Gargamuni during Katik, I’d asked him
“you must read Kill guru become guru!”
“Tamal character is exposed in one of the chapters and he is the main suspect in administering cadmium poison”
He got angry and said
“cadmium was in the water and Tamal would never do this,
Prabhupada requested Tamal to be his servant and loved him dearly”
he quickly walked away,
asking him as he departed “read the book, read the book, kill guru become guru” you will find out about that rascal Tamal!”
He was speaking on stage during Prabhupada’s disappearance day later that week and all he did was glorify Tamal.
He had told me before that he was banned by Gopal Krishna several times and got reinstated after he stated his reasons asking for forgiveness to this powerful Fiskcon guru controlling Prabhupada’s Temple and the management/devotees in Vrindavan.
Feel sorry for the old guy, he needs Vrindavan ISKCON and the devotees for his many needs and wants to be bury next to his brother.
He is afraid to makes any waves against those who control ISKCON in INDIA.
He is living in fear, many have nowhere to go in old age and prefer to stay quiet.
What is needed is replacement of the GBC and their elected gurus,
get rid of all the “yes men” staying for salaries and position,
establish rivik-order!
We hoped for Madhu Bandit with 15 years on Hare Krsna Hill to unite with westerners and slam FISKCON in the courts.
Instead we got Madhu Bandit and his brother-in-law becoming anti-western, raking in millions with their only ALL-INDIAN ISKCON luxury apt/temple projects and food factories.
Many of us now believe he and his brother-in-law possibly in bed with the gurus for their share of the pie,
we do NOT hear anymore about the court case or establishing the rivik order?
Recently Bangalore group NOT helping a Prabhupadanuga court case with KBI pure Srimad Bhagavatams books against BBT India.
Both ISKCONS misleaders controlling assets and their devotees with fear while living like kings.
Victory over Evil possible in today’s ISKCON?
Narsingh Chaturdashi or Narsimha Chaturdashi is mainly observed to celebrate victory of good over evil. It is believed that on this very great day, Lord Narasimha appeared for rescue of Dharma and Bhakti personified in Prahlada Maharaja.
Narasimha Ki Jaya! Srila Prabhupada KI Jaya!
Rathayatra dasa ACBSP: What is needed is replacement of the GBC and their elected gurus,
get rid of all the “yes men” staying for salaries and position,establish rivik-order!
Mahesh: the future ACTUALLY looks—— VERY——- bleak:
750407mw.may Conversations
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, sometimes you say only a very small percentage can take to Krsna consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Satsvarupa: But yesterday morning in your lecture you were saying it can expand to ten thousand, million, or ten million.
Prabhupada: Yes, if you take the proper way it can be increased.
Satsvarupa: Is that just up to our preaching?
Prabhupada: Yes. That will depend on your purified preaching activities. If you again become materially victimized, then you cannot do it. If you remain on the spiritual platform, if you try, then it will increase. Anandambudhi-vardhanam. It will increase. AS SOON AS THERE IS ANY CONTEMPLATION OF SENSE GRATIFICATION, THEN THE SPIRIT WILL BE LOST. THEN INSTEAD OF CHRISTIANITY, IT WILL BE “CHURCHIANITY,” OFFICIALLY GOING TO THE CHURCH, DOING NOTHING, AND GRADUALLY NOBODY WILL GO.
Rupanuga: Like the Christians.
Prabhupada: Yes. Everywhere. Christians… Now who are coming here, in so many temples? Nobody is coming. They have made it a business, “Oh, the Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s birthday, you come here.” And somebody will come, collect some money, and then there is no business–go away.
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Further readings:
So we have to become very strong preacher. Then this movement will stay
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48378
Rathayatra dasa ACBSP: Last year, seeing Gargamuni during Katik, I’d asked him “you must read Kill guru become guru!”
“Tamal character is exposed in one of the chapters and he is the main suspect in administering cadmium poison” He got angry and said “cadmium was in the water and Tamal would never do this,
Prabhupada requested Tamal to be his servant and loved him dearly”
he quickly walked away, asking him as he departed “read the book, read the book, kill guru become guru” you will find out about that rascal Tamal!”
He was speaking on stage during Prabhupada’s disappearance day later that week and all he did was glorify Tamal.
He had told me before that he was banned by Gopal Krishna several times and got reinstated after he stated his reasons asking for forgiveness to this powerful Fiskcon guru controlling Prabhupada’s Temple and the management/devotees in Vrindavan.
Mahesh: Gargamuni das has the SAME disease as the rest of the them: MONEY.
69-01-25. Letter: Kirtanananda
Another example is that a tree has many branches, and you will find one leaf here and another leaf there. But if you take this leaf and the other leaf and you press them both, you will see that the taste is the same. THE TASTE IS THE CONCLUSION, AND FROM THE TASTE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BOTH LEAVES ARE FROM THE SAME TREE.
Lets take a few examples:
Tamal Krsna (TKG):
TKG went to Topanga Canyon and started to spill the beans that Srila Prabhupada ONLY appointed them as Ritviks NOTHING more. Then later on – when the bogus GBC accepted him back – he changed his story. He is also the MAIN suspect in giving poison to Srila Prabhupada.
Hansadutta das:
Hansadutta das went all the way to state Srila Prabhupada wanted the Ritvik System AFTER he was EXPELLED from the bogus GBC —– THEN he showed us HIS OWN CONCOCTED version of TEMPORARY Ritvik System. And he does NOT accept Srila Prabhupada was given poison. We DO KNOW he was IN THE SAME ROOM when the LOUD whispers on giving poison were heard.
Note: They ALL want to be PART of the GANG ——– AGAIN——- to SHARE the MONEY POT, CONTROL – AND – POWER.
69-01-25. Letter: Kirtanananda
Things equal to the same thing are equal to one another. This is an axiomatic truth.
Mahesh prabhu: “Gargamuni das has the SAME disease as the rest of the them: MONEY.”
Back in 1974 Mayapur festival, he got the nick-name GargaMoney! He told his ‘servants’ to take all the brahmacaris’ watches when we arrived. Mine was a 21st birthday pressie from my parents…. I said no way, I’ll fight you for it!
Years later I heard Srila Prabhupada had said… yes, everything belongs to Krsna, but if you try to steal my watch that I use in Krsn’s service, I’ll fight you for it.
Yfs, Bal.
If you want to live in modern day ISKCON, you have to worship Tamal.
Tamal started his own apa-sampradaya which enabled — and enables — the “leaders” to get money, worship and “disciples.”
So they’re all indebted to Tamal.
There is a “litmus paper” test to see who is ACTUALLY genuine FOR Srila Prabhupada:
1) those who ACCEPT the July 9th 1977 Srila Prabhupada Ordered Ritvik System WITHOUT ANY reservation as the ONLY system in ISKCON for AS LONG AS IT EXISTS. Accept that ALL the disciples so initiated are Srila Prabhupada’s ONLY.
2) those who ACCEPT Srila Prabhupada WAS given poison by his leading disciples( suspects: Tamal Krsna(TKG), Jayapataka, Jayadvaita, Bhavananda, Bhakticaru, Gopal Krsna) with intent to take-over his Diska Guru Position and take over the properties, temples, disciples.
3) those who ACCEPT only the ORIGINAL Srila Prabhupada’s books unadulterated by the likes of Jayadvaita, Dravida and company.
4) those who ACCEPT the Srila Prabhupada authorised “Direction of Management” 1970 as the being the ONLY way of acceptance in ISKCON on how the society MUST be run – particularly with regards to how the GBCs *MAY* be re-elected after serving the period of 3 years ie. :
3. The commissioners will serve for a period of 3 years, and they may be re-elected at the end of this period.
5) those who ACCEPT that there is -No Salary- for serving in ISKCON as per Srila Prabhupada’s orders.
Anyone who is NOT genuine FOR Srila Prabhupada will NOT accept either one OR many of these points.
This is the SIMPLE test.
Rathayatra dasa ACBSP:Last year, seeing Gargamuni during Katik, I’d asked him“you must read Kill guru become guru!” “Tamal character is exposed in one of the chapters and he is the main suspect in administering cadmium poison” He got angry and said “cadmium was in the water and Tamal would never do this, Prabhupada requested Tamal to be his servant and loved him dearly
Mahesh: Soooooo—– on one hand—— Gargamuni talks nice of Ritvik—– and THEN—-on another to DECEIVE/BLUFF/CHEAT/MISLEAD others on poison issue. This is called DUPLICITY:
681129BG.LA Lectures
So utsahad dhairyan niscayat. The first principle is one must be very enthusiastic. He must believe that Krsna has said that, na me bhaktah pranasyati, “My devotee will never be vanquished.” So “Let me becomes Krsna’s devotee sincerely. I must become Krsna’s devotee sincerely.” This is called enthusiasm. Then dhairyat. “I have become Krsna’s devotee, but still I’m not feeling happy. How is that?” So therefore you have to become patient. The enthusiasm must be there, you must be patient also. And niscayat. Niscayat means you must be confident. “Oh, Krsna has said that His devotee will never be vanquished, so surely I shall not be vanquished, even though I don’t feel now. Let me do my duty.” Utsahad dhairyan niscayat tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. But you have to do your duties as they are prescribed. SATO VRTTEH. YOU SHOULD NOT… THERE SHOULD BE NO DUPLICITY. SATO VRTTEH MEANS PLAIN DEALING, STRAIGHT DEALING. Sato vrtteh, and sadhu-sange, and in the company of devotees. So one must be enthusiastic, one must be patient, one must be confident, one must execute the duties, one must associate with devotees, and one must be very honest in dealing. Six things. If these six things are there, sure success.
Antya 2.117 The Chastisement of Junior Haridasa
SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA COMMENTS THAT SARALATA, OR SIMPLICITY, IS THE FIRST QUALIFICATION OF A VAISNAVA, WHEREAS DUPLICITY OR CUNNING BEHAVIOR IS A GREAT OFFENSE AGAINST THE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. As one advances in Krsna consciousness, one must gradually become disgusted with material attachment and thus become more and more attached to the service of the Lord. If one is not factually detached from material activities but still proclaims himself advanced in devotional service, he is cheating. No one will be happy to see such behavior.
761213BG.HYD Lectures
So we are put into this cycle of birth and death. If we don’t correct it… Correct means we shall be less attached to the material enjoyment. So long we are attached to material enjoyment, we have to transmigrate from one type of body to another. So daivi-sampada means those who are devatas, their first business is how to rectify this diseased condition of life, repetition of birth and death. Everything is there. Sattva-samsuddhir jnana. This requires jnana, knowledge. Unless I know what is my position, why I am dying, what is death… This requires jnana. Jnanam vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam. That means you have to become a brahmana. Then you will have complete knowledge. Abhayam sattva-samsuddhir jnana, yoga, jnana-yoga. Vyavasthitih, danam. Those who are ksatriyas, vaisyas, they should give in charity. That is also one of the sattva-samsuddhih. Damas ca. To control over the mind and the senses. Yajnas ca: perform the yajna, hari-sankirtana in this age. Yajnas ca svadhyayah. Must read Vedic literature. Tapa arjavam. Tapasya, austerity, ARJAVAM, VERY FRANK AND NO DUPLICITY, ARJAVAM. Danam ahimsa, not unnecessarily, not to become envious. (end)
700702SB.LA Lectures
So as soon as one becomes grhamedhi, he becomes blind to see what is self-realization. So Sukadeva Gosvami says that those who are blind, those who have been encaged in the materialistic way of life, for them, there are thousands and thousands of topics to hear and to chant. But those who are seeing to the self… Self is one. Ekam brahma dvitiyam nasti. For them, one talk only about Krsna. So I’ll request you, all my beloved disciples present here, that don’t turn to that point, grhesu grha-medhinam. Stick to this point, Krsna. Then you’ll be happy. Don’t talk, create. Thousand… As soon as we go out of the scope of this Krsna consciousness, there will be so many talks. And that will mislead you. That is maya. AND IF YOU STICK TO THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, THERE IS NO SECRECY, THERE IS NO DUPLICITY, THERE IS NO DIPLOMACY. One talk, Krsna: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama… That will make you satisfied. Yayatma suprasidati. If you want actually happiness then you stick to these Krsna consciousness topics. Don’t bring in anything other, else. Then that will become grhesu grha-medhinam, apasyatam atma-tattvam.
721024ND.VRN Lectures
Utsahan dhairyat. By patience. Not that “I am working so hard for Krsna, but I’m not getting any impetus.” No. Don’t be impatient. Krsna will give you chance. He’s giving chance always, twenty-four hours, imperceptibly. But we cannot appreciate very much. Krsna sees. As far as we are able, according to our strength, He gives responsibility. But we must be… Rest assured, when we have taken shelter of the lotus feet of Krsna fully, without any reservation, Krsna must be pleased; maybe it will take some time. This is called niscayad, certainty, assurance. Utsahan dhairyat niscayad tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. You have to execute the routine prescribed duties. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. You cannot go against the principles of devotional service. With patience, you must execute. Tat-tat-pravartanat. Sato vrtteh. SATO VRTTEH MEANS DEALINGS MUST BE VERY HONEST. NO DUPLICITY. VERY FRANK, PLAIN. Sato vrtteh, sadhu-sange, and in association of devotees. Sadbhir bhaktir pranasya…, uh, prasidhyati. In this way, our propensity for, of love for Krsna will increase.
Note: there is ENOUGH evidence to FOR THOSE that have the EARS to hear THE TRUTH on the Srila Prabhupada being given poison:
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
Gargamuni,who is not philosophically smart,said that “those who think that the pure devotees can be killed,are demoniac”. My question is,who is saying that,Mr? What we are sayin is that even tho the attempted murder to Srila Prabhupada was perpetrated,the pure devotee is not affected. Gargamuni, in order to protect himself and his Samosa and Lassy sampradaya will use straw man strategies to cover himself.
Speaking on Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik System is good BUT what is the MOTIVE behind this. How come Gargamuni das did not speak out for Ritvik System for so long? Where was he all these years?????? Some devotees tend to want to USE the Ritvik System as a FRONT to be big BOSS. Some want to be followers of the BOSS and be linked as MISTER BIG FOLLOWER. You will also notice that just like here on this website we have OPEN discussions yet there are those that have their BOSS they will not discuss here. Remote controlled by their BOSS not to take part in istagosthi:
Srila Prabhupada WANTED istagosthi:
68-02-01 Letter: Brahmananda
… is very nice, and is written right to the point. I have made an Istagosthi
file, and I shall go on putting the reports there as you send them.
68-02-16 Letter: Uddhava
… Syamasundara., as of yesterday, and you can read it to all the devotees at Istagosthi. Similarly, Malati has just recently asked about the 8 witnesses, and I have replied in …
68-02-19. Letter: Balai
Please accept my blessings. I thank you very much for the Istagosthi notes, and also your nice letter of Feb. 14, 1968. I have read them over,…
68-02-25 Letter: Satsvarupa
Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of a copy of your last Istagosthi dated Jan. 27, and I am very much satisfied with your replies on the questions made in the Istagosthi. The meeting is called “Istagosthi” and not “Istagosthi”. You may know also that Ramakrishna’s worship of Kali makes him a third class …
68-03-03. Letter: Rayarama
… I recieve many letters from devotees with questions which could be solved in the Istagosthi
meetings.
68-03-22. Letter: Balai
… blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated March 19th, along with Istagosthi notes, I am always so pleased to see how nicely the Istagosthi meetings are being carried on, so I am always anticipating your letters, along with Istagosthi
reports. Thank you very much.
68-04-03. Letter: Satsvarupa
… of Pradyumna. I am so glad to learn that he is taking part in Istagosthi. His answers are very much intelligent. I have fixed up date for going to N….
68-04-03. Letter: Satsvarupa
… they are enacted to bewilder persons who demons. You should therefore discuss in the Istagosthi from current reading matters from B.G. or S.B. We should only try to …
68-10-06. Letter: Advaita
… inform Balai dasi with my blessings, that I have received the report of the Istagosthi, and it is very nice. Especially the portion in which Rayarama and Purusottama’s presentation …
68-10-06. Letter: Purusottama
P.S. I have very much appreciated your discussion in the Istagosthi and so also Rayarama’s. We have to collect men for Krishna Consciousness & therefore we …
68-12-28. Letter: Gaurasundara
I have seen the Istagosthi notes of your meetings which were sent by Lilavati, and you are doing very nice …
69-02-14. Letter: Jayapataka
… your question about the 10 senses, such questions should be taken up at your Istagosthi meetings. I have already answered most of Kir Letter: Kirtanananda
… must be purchased. Has Uddhava and the others seen this building also? Regarding your Istagosthi question, chanting the Hare Krishna
Letter: Mukunda
The answer to your Istagosthi questions are as follows: Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be …
70-01-24.
Letter: Ranadhira
… checking. But it is better if simple questions are solved amongst yourselves in the Istagosthi class. Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice–in the …
73-11-26. Letter: Umapati
… to come together and chant Hare Krsna and discuss, just as we instituted our Istagosthi
program, then this of course I have no objection to.
75-11-10 Letter: Kirtanananda
Regarding the topics of the Krsna book, this is Istagosthi. Istagosthi means discussion between ourselves but that should not be taken as a competition. It is … matter for competition. It can be discussed in a small group of devotees. That is Istagosthi. This is better than competition.
Mahesh Prabhu says ; ” You will also notice that just like here on this website we have OPEN discussions yet there are those that have their BOSS they will not discuss here. Remote controlled by their BOSS not to take part in istagosthi: ”
I wonder who are those people he is referring to ? I hope he shed some light on it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, just like Bhismahdeva who was non envious of the Pandavas, but who relied on the Kauravas, and as a result felt that he was obligated to support their side. Similarly, Gargamuni Das is therefore compromised and will not ‘cross the line’ which will free him from such ‘duplicity and hypocrisy’; so he is always fearful of losing his false position of material comforts and false adoration from lesser, younger, neophyte minions and sycophants. In this confusion, he is therefore conflicted and as a result he (like Bhismadeva) has to suffer the “slings and arrows” which is a much added and unnecessary burden on his consciousness causing his devotional creeper to struggle, hindering it’s growth.
This is why we cannot have any reliance on the demons for anything and certainly not enter into agreements, or contracts with them (such as “educational” or “food” programs etc), accept their accomodations, paid employment, or be under their control. Srila Prabhupada stressed the importance of living independently from the control of the demons, to try and simplify our material facility. In this way we can speak freely and not live in a fearful way, that speaking freely will jeopardize our livelihoods or well-being of ourselves or our family members, to broadcast the truth of Srila Prabhupada’s movement with great conviction and enthusiasm or suffer great pain from the many arrows as a result of compromise!
Shri Bisma Pitamah is known as one of the Mahajana. Such a great and wonderful personality has given his words to his respected father Maharaja Santanu to protect and safe guard the King and the Kingdom of Hastanapur as long as he lives.
Unfortunately, since the King in the Kuru dynasty happens to be the blind man, full of materialistic ambitions not only for himself but for his sons also, therefore, Shri Pitamah stood firmly for his words of honour for the King and the Kingdom of Hastanapur.
Obviously, there is no comparison of this Gargamuni Das who seems to have no credibility of his own with Shri Bismpitamaha.
Certainly, keeping in mind to broadcast the TRUTH of Srila Prabhupada’s movement with great conviction and enthusiasm, all of us must discuss openly the FACTS regardless who has the remote controlled followers amongst us in the Ritvik Camps. The TRUTH must be spoken.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, agreed Amar Puri Prabhu, there is no comparison. I am just making the point that because he was complicit in offenses to the Pandavas (and silent when Draupadi was being disrobed), this constitutes adharma and as such, all of his attempts to protect the King and the Kingdom were fruitless and contributed to his material suffering.
Sudarsana Prabhu, when we come to realize the position of Shri Bismapitamah in the assembly of the Blind King presence himself, the onus falls on the shoulder of the King and whatever and however took place in the King’s presence constitute ADHARMA. Mahatma Vidur was also present in the assembly.
As a result of all those ADHARMA in the presence of the King took place, Shri Bismapitamah, Mahatma Vidur and all others knew very well the end result of it.
Therefore, concluding Shri Bismapitamah or Mahatma Vidur are/were complicit in the Adharma is not a proper understanding at all.
Shri Bismapitamah was never effected by the material suffering despite the fact that it might appear so.
That is why he is known as one of the Mahajana and His love for the Pandavas was always looming. That was his wish also that the Pandavas be victorious because he knew that the Pandavas are/were on the Dharma side.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri Prabhu: “Sri Bhismapitamah was never affected by the material suffering despite the fact that it might appear so”.
My use of the term “material suffering” was not a good choice here, but the arrows were a ”reaction” from The Lord and Sri Bhismadeva was in complete knowledge of this and was not disturbed from his continuous devotion to the Lord. So yes, I agree that he was never affected (in a negative way) but saw it in a positive light as the arrows were The Lords Mercy.
There is always a reaction to Adharmic activity, so in the case of the conditioned soul, they are always bewildered by such reaction and fail to understand the ramifications.
So with regards to Gargamuni Das he does not understand that his real duty is to Srila Prabhupada and not poisoners (like Tamal) and their legions of lapdogs and fools. So in effect he ”fails the test” as a true disciple of Srila Prabhupada due to his offenses due to ignorance and attachment to his false, delusional material position.
Sri Bhismadeva had a duty to the King this is true, so he was ”between a rock and a hard place”. Our duty is to Srila Prabhupada and not GBC goondas and fools, so we are not obligated to them like Sri Bhismadeva was obligated to the King, this is the danger that the “Bogus Guru System” has manufactured so they can redirect the movement into some impotent, useless abhorrence.
These GBC and the bogus gurus alike including this Gargamuni Das are not any near to Shri Bhismpitamah. That is why I wrote that Gargamuni Das was not any near comparison at all with Shri Bhismdeva as your comment, Sudarsana Prabhu, confirms it which reads ;
“So with regards to Gargamuni Das he does not understand that his real duty is to Srila Prabhupada and not poisoners (like Tamal) and their legions of lapdogs and fools. So in effect he ”fails the test” as a true disciple of Srila Prabhupada due to his offenses due to ignorance and attachment to his false, delusional material position.”
That is why Shri Bhismdeva is known as one of the Mahajana because he maintained his position under all circumstances without any deviation from his duty.
The same way, Srila Prabhupada’s Followers / Devotees maintain their respective position to carry on with Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
WHEREAS these GBC and the gurus alike deviated from their duties to Srila Prabhupada by disobeying Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions purposely to fulfill their personal ambition as the Blind King Dharitrastar did which was the reason to bring down his rulership by simply to hand over to the righteous qualified Pandavas to rule the country.
Similarly, the rulership of the GBC and the gurus alike are being brought down day by day and the Original Srila Prabhupada VANI remains shining like the Sun.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri: I wonder who are those people he is referring to ? I hope he shed some light on it.
Mahesh: there are BOSS class AND their REMOTE CONTROLLED FOLLOWERS among the Ritvik Camps also. No need for naming.