Vedic Vaishnava Calendar
http://harekrishnacalendar.com/vaishnava-calendars/2013-12/
Dear Prabhupadanugas, Prabhus, Didis and Matajis,
due to the complaints of the vaisnava community, we have removed the unauthorized vaisnava calendar known as ‘vCal401’ from Shyamasundara Das.
We have not been aware, that this calendar is an unbonafide publication from the bogus BBTi so called book trust, which is also responsible for changing Srila Prabhupadas original writings and books. Therefore we have deleted this Calendar!
Bhakta Peter says: “Hare Krsna, Actually no BBTi anything is authorized. The BBTi is basically a counterfeit of BBT, it is bogus. The BBT is the original, BBTi is something completely different, and these people are ruining Prabhupads books more than anyone else around. Jaya Prabhupad!”
Mahesh Raja says: “Hare Krsna! It seems everyone is now following this: http://harekrishnacalendar.com/vaishnava-calendars/2013-12/
You can change the dates and print it –also up to 2015. Lets hope they don’t stick in the bogus GBC conditioned soul gurus “appearance” dates——and ruin everything.
Srila Prabhupada did NOT want any changes. The dates are ALREADY FIXED by the Indian Expert Almanac Astronomers for Ekadasi, Janamastimi etc. They use this ALL OVER INDIA. The Indians have used the SAME in other countries for decades. Hence, Srila Prabhupada says: SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS. This Panjika is NOT a new product manufactured by the GBC at Mayapur. This Panjika(Panchang) is done YEARLY by INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS and people just purchase that calender and follow the dates. Simple as that! The problem is GBC manufacture the bogus conditioned soul “guru” dates and ADD this and make it all hodgepodge. And now—— they are debating the prostitutes—- conditioned soul Female Diksa Gurus!!! The prostitutes want to be worshiped as good as God. The same DISEASE they want to be WORSHIPED BY REPLACING Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru. They are ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada’s position of CURRENT Diksa Guru.
They have to accept Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik system as per July 9th 1977 ORDER otherwise they are DOOMED!
69-09-30. Letter: Madhudvisa
JUST LIKE CHRISTMAS DAY THEY HAVE FIXED UP ON THE 25TH DECEMBER, BUT OUR JANMASTAMI TITHI IS NOT FIXED UP LIKE THAT. MY BIRTHDAY IS ON THE 1ST SEPTEMBER, 1896, BUT THIS YEAR THE TITHI OF MY BIRTHDAY WAS FIXED FOR THE 4TH SEPTEMBER. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS.
Comments by Mahesh Raja concerning the Vaisnava Calender:
The situation today in ISKCON calander is Ekadasi dates are not followed as it was back when Srila Prabhupada’s time from 1966-1977. Ekadais dates are supposed to be THE SAME in ANY time zone and Panjika was to be followed AS OBSERVED IN MAYAPUR. The new calander has created Ekadasis to be followed by dates and times in different countries thus this has created a BIG MESS.
Please read below. Any comments/discussion welcome.
53. That the GBC accepts the Yoga Pitha Gaudiya Panjika calendar as authoritative for ISKCON on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. It is also Srila Prabhupada’s instructions that the Panjika be followed in any time zone of the world according to the same Calendar date as observed in Mayapur. Bhakti Caru Swami shall secure and certify an official translation. [Provisional Order]
(GBC Resolutions February 25, 1988)
“on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada”
EKADASI
SB 4.28.35-36
We can definitely see that to advance in Krsna consciousness one must control his bodily weight. If one becomes too fat, it is to be assumed that he is not advancing spiritually. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura severely criticized his fat disciples. The idea is that one who intends to advance in Krsna consciousness must not eat very much. Devotees used to go to forests, high hills or mountains on pilgrimages, but such severe austerities are not possible in these days. One should instead eat only prasada and no more than required. ACCORDING TO THE VAISNAVA CALENDAR, THERE ARE MANY FASTS, SUCH AS EKADASI AND THE APPEARANCE AND DISAPPEARANCE DAYS OF GOD AND HIS DEVOTEES. ALL OF THESE ARE MEANT TO DECREASE THE FAT WITHIN THE BODY SO THAT ONE WILL NOT SLEEP MORE THAN DESIRED AND WILL NOT BECOME INACTIVE AND LAZY. Overindulgence in food will cause a man to sleep more than required. This human form of life is meant for austerity, and austerity means controlling sex, food intake, etc. In this way time can be saved for spiritual activity, and one can purify himself both externally and internally. Thus both body and mind can be cleansed.
SB 7.14.20-23
Visuva, or Visuva-sankranti, means Mesa-sankranti, or the day on which the sun enters the sign Aries. Tula-sankranti is the day on which the sun enters the sign Libra. Both of these days occur only once within a year. The word yoga refers to a certain relationship between the sun and moon as they move in the sky. There are twenty-seven different degrees of yoga, of which the seventeenth is called Vyatipata. On the day when this occurs, one should perform the sraddha ceremony. A TITHI, OR LUNAR DAY, CONSISTS OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LONGITUDE OF THE SUN AND THAT OF THE MOON. SOMETIMES A TITHI IS LESS THAN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. WHEN IT STARTS AFTER SUNRISE ON A CERTAIN DAY AND ENDS BEFORE THE SUNRISE OF THE FOLLOWING DAY, THE PREVIOUS TITHI AND THE FOLLOWING TITHI BOTH “TOUCH” THE TWENTY-FOUR-HOUR DAY BETWEEN THE SUNRISES. THIS IS CALLED TRYAHA-SPARSA, OR A DAY TOUCHED BY SOME PORTION OF THREE TITHIS.
Srila Jiva Gosvami has given quotations from many sastras stating that the sraddha ceremony of oblations to the forefathers should not be performed on Ekadasi tithi. WHEN THE TITHI OF THE DEATH ANNIVERSARY FALLS ON THE EKADASI DAY, THE SRADDHA CEREMONY SHOULD BE HELD NOT ON EKADASI BUT ON THE NEXT DAY, OR DVADASI. In the Brahma-vaivarta purana it is said:
ye kurvanti mahipala
sraddham caikadasi-dine
trayas te narakam yanti
data bhokta ca prerakah
IF ONE PERFORMS THE SRADDHA CEREMONY OF OBLATIONS TO THE FOREFATHERS ON THE EKADASI TITHI, THEN THE PERFORMER, THE FOREFATHERS FOR WHOM THE SRADDHA IS OBSERVED, AND THE PUROHITA, OR THE FAMILY PRIEST WHO ENCOURAGES THE CEREMONY, ALL GO TO HELL.
69-09-30. Letter: Madhudvisa
REGARDING YOU FIRST QUESTION, WE OBSERVE EKADASI FROM SUNRISE TO SUNRISE. THE 12 MIDNIGHT IS WESTERN ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION, BUT THE VEDIC ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION BEGINS EITHER FROM THE SUNRISE OR THE MOONRISE. GENERALLY IT IS SUNRISE. OUR CALCULATION IS LIKE THIS: WHEN THE SUNRISE IS THERE, EKADASI TITHI (DATE) MUST BE THERE. IF EKADASI TITHI IS NOT IN THE SUNRISE AND THE TITHI BEGINS, SAY AFTER A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SUNRISE, THEN WE ACCEPT THAT DAY AS PREVIOUS TO EKADASI. ALL OUR CEREMONIES ARE CALCULATED IN THAT WAY. THIS MEANS WE MUST SEE THE TITHI DURING SUNRISE. THEREFORE, SOMETIMES OUR DATES OF CEREMONIES DO NOT EXACTLY COINCIDE LIKE THE WESTERN CALCULATIONS. JUST LIKE CHRISTMAS DAY THEY HAVE FIXED UP ON THE 25TH DECEMBER, BUT OUR JANMASTAMI TITHI IS NOT FIXED UP LIKE THAT. MY BIRTHDAY IS ON THE 1ST SEPTEMBER, 1896, BUT THIS YEAR THE TITHI OF MY BIRTHDAY WAS FIXED FOR THE 4TH SEPTEMBER. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS.
70-04-29. Letter: Pradyumna
2. WHEN THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DVADASI, THE EKADASI FASTING IS TRANSFERRED ON THE DVADASI, AND THIS IS CALLED MAHADVADASI. THE 26TH OCTOBER, 1970, IS ACTUALLY DVADASI, SO THE FASTING IS OBSERVED TOGETHER, OR EKADASI FASTING IS DISREGARDED, AND THE DVADASI (MAHADVADASI) FASTING IS TAKEN AS IMPORTANT.
You were give this old Panjika just to consult the names and spelling only. The dates are different, so whatever date I have given, that is correct. WHY YOU ARE SEARCHING BYANJALI DVADASI IN THIS LAST YEAR’S PANJIKA? WHAT I HAVE GIVEN IS FROM THIS YEAR’S PANJIKA, SO EVERYTHING WILL NOT COLLABORATE.
5. 7th February, 1971–Varaha-Dvadasi, I have explained the position in regard to #2.
6. SO FAR DETERMINING EKADASI IT IS COUNTED 11 DAYS AFTER THE FULL MOON AND 11 DAYS AFTER THE NEW MOON, BUT SOMETIMES IT SO HAPPENS AS YOU HAVE NOTED ONE DAY LATER. HOWEVER, WHAT I HAVE GIVEN IS CORRECT.
SB 8.16.25
AS WE GENERALLY PERFORM DEVOTIONAL SERVICE ON EKADASI BY NOT EATING GRAINS, IT IS GENERALLY RECOMMENDED THAT ON DVADASI ONE NOT CONSUME ANYTHING BUT MILK.
SB 9.4 Summary Ambarisa Maharaja Offended by Durvasa Muni
Once Maharaja Ambarisa was worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Vrndavana, observing the vow of Dvadasi. ON DVADASI, THE DAY AFTER EKADASI, WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO BREAK HIS EKADASI FAST, the great mystic yogi Durvasa appeared in his house and became his guest. King Ambarisa respectfully received Durvasa Muni, and Durvasa Muni, after accepting his invitation to eat there, went to bathe in the Yamuna River at noontime. Because he was absorbed in samadhi, he did not come back very soon. Maharaja Ambarisa, however, upon SEEING THAT THE TIME TO BREAK THE FAST WAS PASSING, DRANK A LITTLE WATER, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADVICE OF LEARNED BRAHMANAS, JUST TO OBSERVE THE FORMALITY OF BREAKING THE FAST.
SB 9.4.29
TO OBSERVE EKADASI-VRATA AND DVADASI-VRATA MEANS TO PLEASE THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. THOSE INTERESTED IN ADVANCING IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MUST OBSERVE EKADASI-VRATA REGULARLY.
Adi 10.71
In their two houses Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu begged food on the Ekadasi day and personally ate it.
Adi 10.71
THE INJUNCTION TO FAST ON EKADASI IS ESPECIALLY MEANT FOR DEVOTEES; ON EKADASI THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS REGARDING FOOD THAT MAY BE OFFERED TO THE LORD. LORD SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU TOOK THE FOOD OF LORD VISNU IN HIS ECSTASY AS VISNU-TATTVA.
Adi 14.39
The Caitanya-bhagavata, Adi-lila, Chapter Six, fully describes the Lord’s accepting visnu-prasada on the Ekadasi day at the house of Jagadisa and Hiranya. REGULAR PRASADA IS OFFERED TO LORD VISNU ON EKADASI BECAUSE, WHILE FASTING IS RECOMMENDED FOR DEVOTEES ON EKADASI, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR LORD VISNU.
Adi 15.9
From the very beginning of His childhood life Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu introduced the system of observing a fast on the Ekadasi day. IN THE BHAKTI-SANDARBHA, BY SRILA JIVA GOSVAMI, THERE IS A QUOTATION FROM THE SKANDA PURANA ADMONISHING THAT A PERSON WHO EATS GRAINS ON EKADASI BECOMES A MURDERER OF HIS MOTHER, FATHER, BROTHER AND SPIRITUAL MASTER, AND EVEN IF HE IS ELEVATED TO A VAIKUNTHA PLANET, HE FALLS DOWN. ON EKADASI, EVERYTHING IS COOKED FOR VISNU, INCLUDING REGULAR GRAINS AND DAHI, BUT IT IS ENJOINED THAT A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT EVEN TAKE VISNU-PRASADA ON EKADASI. IT IS SAID THAT A VAISNAVA DOES NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING EATABLE THAT IS NOT OFFERED TO LORD VISNU, BUT ON EKADASI A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT TOUCH EVEN MAHA-PRASADA OFFERED TO VISNU, ALTHOUGH SUCH PRASADA MAY BE KEPT FOR BEING EATEN THE NEXT DAY. IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN FOR ONE TO ACCEPT ANY KIND OF GRAIN ON EKADASI, EVEN IF IT IS OFFERED TO LORD VISNU.
Adi 15.10
It is a PREJUDICE AMONGST SMARTA-BRAHMANAS that a widow must observe fasting on Ekadasi but a woman who has her husband should not. It appears that before the request of Lord Caitanya Sacimata was not observing Ekadasi because of her being sa-dhava, which means that her husband was living. SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU, HOWEVER, INTRODUCED THE SYSTEM THAT A WOMAN, EVEN IF NOT A WIDOW, MUST OBSERVE THE EKADASI DAY AND MUST NOT TOUCH ANY KIND OF GRAINS, EVEN THOSE OFFERED TO THE DEITY OF VISNU.
Adi 15.16
BETEL NUTS ARE AN INTOXICANT, and therefore the regulative principles prohibit eating them. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s pastime of fainting after eating betel nuts is a solid instruction to all of us that ONE SHOULD NOT TOUCH BETEL NUTS, EVEN THOSE OFFERED TO VISNU, JUST AS ONE SHOULD NOT TOUCH GRAINS ON THE EKADASI DAY.
Madhya 4.169
THE CATURMASYA PERIOD BEGINS IN THE MONTH OF ASADHA (JUNE-JULY) FROM THE DAY OF EKADASI CALLED SAYANA-EKADASI, IN THE FORTNIGHT OF THE WAXING MOON. THE PERIOD ENDS IN THE MONTH OF KARTIKA (OCTOBER-NOVEMBER) ON THE EKADASI DAY KNOWN AS UTTHANA-EKADASI, IN THE FORTNIGHT OF THE WAXING MOON. THIS FOUR-MONTH PERIOD IS KNOWN AS CATURMASYA. Some Vaisnavas also observe it from the full-moon day of Asadha until the full-moon day of Kartika. That is also a period of four months. This period, calculated by the lunar months, is called Caturmasya, but others also observe Caturmasya according to the solar month from Sravana to Kartika. The whole period, either lunar or solar, takes place during the rainy season. Caturmasya should be observed by all sections of the population. It does not matter whether one is a grhastha or a sannyasi. The observance is obligatory for all asramas. The real purpose behind the vow taken during these four months is to minimize the quantity of sense gratification. This is not very difficult. In the month of Sravana one should not eat spinach, in the month of Bhadra one should not eat yogurt, and in the month of Asvina one should not drink milk. One should not eat fish or other nonvegetarian food during the month of Kartika. A nonvegetarian diet means fish and meat. Similarly, masura dal and urad dal are also considered nonvegetarian. These two dals contain a great amount of protein, and food rich in protein is considered nonvegetarian. On the whole, during the four-month period of Caturmasya one should practice giving up all food intended for sense enjoyment.
Madhya 24.342
“YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND THE AVOIDANCE OF MIXED EKADASI AND THE PERFORMANCE OF PURE EKADASI. YOU SHOULD ALSO DESCRIBE THE FAULT IN NOT OBSERVING THIS. One should be very careful as far as these items are concerned. If one is not careful, one will be negligent in executing devotional service.
CAITANYA-CARITAMRTA CONCLUDING WORDS
TODAY, SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1974–CORRESPONDING TO THE 10TH OF KARTIKKA, CAITANYA ERA 488, THE ELEVENTH DAY OF THE DARK FORTNIGHT, THE RAMA-EKADASI–we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami’ s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend.
TLC12
However, one should generally accept the following principles to properly execute devotional service: (1) take shelter of a bona fide spiritual master, (2) receive initiation from the spiritual master, (3) serve the spiritual master, (4) inquire and learn love from the spiritual master, (5) follow in the footsteps of holy persons devoted to the transcendental loving service of the Lord, (6) prepare to give up all kinds of enjoyment and miseries for the satisfaction of Krsna, (7) live in a place where Krsna had His pastimes, (8) be satisfied by whatever is sent by Krsna for the maintenance of the body and hanker for no more, (9) OBSERVE FASTING ON EKADASI DAY (THIS OCCURS ON THE ELEVENTH DAY AFTER THE FULL MOON AND THE ELEVENTH DAY AFTER THE NEW MOON. ON SUCH DAYS NO GRAINS, CEREALS OR BEANS ARE EATEN; SIMPLY VEGETABLES AND MILK ARE MODERATELY TAKEN, AND CHANTING HARE KRSNA AND READING SCRIPTURES ARE INCREASED.),
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Lord Caitanya also explained the symptoms of a holy man and the process of satisfying the sage and rejecting the society of undesirable persons. The Lord also advised that one should hear Srimad-Bhagavatam constantly. Also to be followed are duties of the day and duties of the fortnight, as well as fasting on Ekadasi day. ONE MUST ALSO FOLLOW THE DUTIES OF THE MONTH AND OBSERVE CEREMONIES LIKE THE BIRTHDAY OF THE LORD, THE THREE SPECIFIC DATES OF FASTING EKADASI, JANMASTAMI, VAMANADVADASI, SRI RAMANAVAMI AND NRSIMHACATURDASI. WHEN THE FAST DAYS OVERLAP WITH OTHER DAYS (VIDDHA), THEY ARE HELPFUL IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE.
NoD 7
IN THE BRAHMA-VAIVARTA PURANA IT IS SAID THAT ONE WHO OBSERVES FASTING ON EKADASI DAY IS FREED FROM ALL KINDS OF REACTIONS TO SINFUL ACTIVITIES AND ADVANCES IN PIOUS LIFE. THE BASIC PRINCIPLE IS NOT JUST TO FAST, BUT TO INCREASE ONE’S FAITH AND LOVE FOR GOVINDA, OR KRSNA. THE REAL REASON FOR OBSERVING FASTING ON EKADASI IS TO MINIMIZE THE DEMANDS OF THE BODY AND TO ENGAGE OUR TIME IN THE SERVICE OF THE LORD BY CHANTING OR PERFORMING SIMILAR SERVICE. THE BEST THING TO DO ON FASTING DAYS IS TO REMEMBER THE PASTIMES OF GOVINDA AND TO HEAR HIS HOLY NAME CONSTANTLY.
NoD 26 Stimulation for Ecstatic Love
Some things which give impetus or stimulation to ecstatic love of Krsna are His transcendental qualities, His uncommon activities, His smiling features, His apparel and garlands, His flute, His buffalo horn, His leg bells, His conchshell, His footprints, His places of pastimes (such as Vrndavana), His favorite plant (tulasi), His devotee and the periodical occasions for remembering Him. ONE SUCH OCCASION FOR REMEMBRANCE IS EKADASI, WHICH COMES TWICE A MONTH ON THE ELEVENTH DAY OF THE MOON, BOTH WANING AND WAXING. ON THAT DAY ALL THE DEVOTEES REMAIN FASTING THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT AND CONTINUOUSLY CHANT THE GLORIES OF THE LORD.
KB 28
The Govardhana ceremony took place on the new-moon day. After this, there were torrents of rain and hailstorms imposed by King Indra for seven days. Nine days of the waxing moon having passed, on the tenth day King Indra worshiped Lord Krsna, and thus the matter was satisfactorily settled. After this, on the eleventh day of the full moon, there was Ekadasi. MAHARAJA NANDA OBSERVED FASTING FOR THE WHOLE DAY, AND JUST EARLY IN THE MORNING OF THE DVADASI, THE DAY AFTER EKADASI, HE WENT TO TAKE BATH IN THE RIVER YAMUNA. HE ENTERED DEEP INTO THE WATER OF THE RIVER, BUT HE WAS ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY BY ONE OF THE SERVANTS OF VARUNADEVA. THIS SERVANT BROUGHT NANDA MAHARAJA BEFORE THE DEMIGOD VARUNA AND ACCUSED HIM OF TAKING A BATH IN THE RIVER AT THE WRONG TIME. ACCORDING TO ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATIONS, THE TIME IN WHICH HE TOOK BATH WAS CONSIDERED DEMONIAC. THE FACT WAS, NANDA MAHARAJA WANTED TO TAKE A BATH IN THE RIVER YAMUNA EARLY IN THE MORNING BEFORE THE SUNRISE, BUT SOMEHOW OR OTHER HE WAS A LITTLE TOO EARLY, AND HE BATHED AT AN INAUSPICIOUS TIME. CONSEQUENTLY HE WAS ARRESTED.
690523SB.NV
So, paravare brahmani dharmato vrataih. So one should execute Krsna consciousness, dharmatah, in right path, and vrataih. Bhajante mam drdha-vratah. Just like today, ekadasi-vrata. Vrataih. This ekadasi-vrata is required. Just see. Here it is that “You have performed all the vratas.” The purpose of ekadasi-vrata is that today we should not eat much usual food, grains. The actual prescription is fasting. Nirjala-ekadasi. Nirjala means there are many devotees who does not take even water. Water, drinking water, according to sastra, it is taking food… It is drinking of food or no food. We can take both ways. So sometimes drinking of water is excused as upavasa also. BUT THERE ARE MANY DEVOTEES WHO EVEN…, DRINK EVEN A DROP OF WATER. WHOLE DAY AND NIGHT THEY FAST AND OBSERVE EKADASI-VRATA. AND THE NIGHT IS CALLED HARIVASARA. HARIVASARA MEANS THE WHOLE NIGHT THEY WOULD CHANT HARE KRSNA, HARE KRSNA, KRSNA KRSNA, HARE HARE. HARE RAMA, HARE RAMA… THIS IS CALLED VRATA. DRDHA-VRATA. DRDHA-VRATA. DRDHA MEANS VERY FIRM, STEADY.
730422SB.LA
Just like… The, everything is described in the Bhagavad-gita. Just like in hospital. IN HOSPITAL THERE ARE MANY PATIENTS, THEY ARE NOT EATING ANYTHING ON THE EKADASI DAY. DOES IT MEAN THAT IS OBSERVING EKADASI? HE IS SIMPLY HANKERING AFTER, “WHEN I SHALL EAT, WHEN I SHALL EAT, WHEN I SHALL EAT?.” BUT THESE STUDENTS, THEY VOLUNTARILY DON’T EAT ANYTHING. WE, WE DON’T SAY THAT YOU DON’T EAT ANYTHING. SOME FRUITS, SOME FLOWERS. THAT’S ALL. SO PARAM DRSTVA NIVARTATE. JUST LIKE A CHILD. HE HAS GOT IN HIS HAND SOMETHING HE’S EATING. AND IF YOU GIVE HIM BETTER THING, HE WILL THROW AWAY THE INFERIOR THING AND WILL TAKE THAT BETTER THING.
750303SB.DAL
But if you want to realize God, as it is said here, tapasaiva, only by tapasya, only by penance, one can realize. Otherwise not. Otherwise it is not possible. Therefore this word is used, tapasaiva. Tapasa eva: “only by tapasya.” There is no other means. Tapasa eva param. Param means the Supreme. If you want to realize the Supreme, the Absolute, then you must agree to certain type of tapasya. Otherwise it is not possible. THE PRELIMINARY LITTLE TAPASYA. JUST LIKE EKADASI. THAT IS ALSO ITEM OF THE TAPASYA. ACTUALLY ON THE EKADASI DAYS WE SHALL NOT TAKE ANY FOOD, EVEN DRINK WATER. BUT IN OUR SOCIETY WE ARE NOT DOING SO MUCH STRICTLY. WE SAY, “EKADASI, YOU DON’T TAKE FOOD GRAINS. TAKE LITTLE FRUIT, MILK.” THIS IS TAPASYA.
750913SB.VRN
So one day he came to Ambarisa Maharaja on the dvadasi day with sixty thousand disciples and ordered the Maharaja, “Maharaja, today we have come to take prasadam in your palace. Please arrange for this.” SO THAT WAS DVADASI DAY. YOU KNOW, ON THE DVADASI THERE WAS… THAT IS A REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE, THAT IN THE MORNING AT ABOUT NINE O’CLOCK ONE HAS TO TAKE SOMETHING, PRASADAM, TO BREAK THE VOWS, BREAK FAST. So this Durvasa Muni along with disciples, they went to the river Ganges to take bath, but they were willfully not coming back. So Ambarisa Maharaja asked the priest that “Durvasa Muni is my guest. I cannot take anything without offering him. So what shall I do? Now I have to observe the dvadasi breakfast.” SO THE BRAHMANA PRIEST ORDERED HIM THAT “MAHARAJA, YOU CAN TAKE LITTLE CARANAMRTA,” THE WATER. SO ACCORDING TO SASTRA, DRINKING LITTLE WATER IS NOT BREAKING FAST, SO IT WILL BE NOT TAKEN VERY… SO WITH THE ADVICE OF THE BRAHMANA… FORMERLY THE KINGS, THEY WERE GUIDED BY THE INSTRUCTION OF THE BRAHMANAS AND GREAT SAINTLY PERSONS. THEY WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING WHIMSICALLY. THAT IS NOT THE FACT. SO WITH THE INSTRUCTION OF THE BRAHMANAS, HE TOOK LITTLE CARANAMRTA.
81021SB.SEA
Tamala Krsna: How do we enter into the modes of goodness?
Prabhupada: Just try to follow the four principles as we have prescribed: no intoxication, no gambling, no illicit sex, and no meat-eating. That’s all. This is goodness. This is goodness. These prohibitions are there. Why? Just to keep you in goodness. In every religion… Now, in the Ten Commandments also, I see that “Thou shall not kill.” The same thing is there, but people are not obeying. That is a different thing. No religious person… Nobody can be religious unless he is situated in the modes of goodness. A passionate person or a person in ignorance, they cannot be elevated to the religious platform. Religious platform means in goodness. Then you can understand. On the platform of goodness, you can understand the All-good. If you are in ignorance platform, if you are in the passionate platform, how you can understand the All-good? That is not possible. So one has to keep himself in goodness, and that goodness means one should follow the prohibitions. Either you follow the Ten Commandments or these four commandments, the same thing. That means you have to keep yourself in goodness. The balance must be in goodness. In the Bhagavad-gita it is stated, param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan. Arjuna accepted Krsna as the supermost pure. How you can approach the supermost pure without becoming yourself pure? So this is the steppingstone to become pure, because we are contaminated. So to become pure… THE EKADASI, WHY WE OBSERVE? TO BECOME PURE. BRAHMACARYA TAPASYA, AUSTERITY, PENANCE, CELIBACY, KEEPING THE MIND ALWAYS IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, KEEPING THE BODY ALWAYS CLEANSED–THESE THINGS WILL HELP US TO KEEP US IN GOODNESS. Without goodness, it is not possible. But Krsna consciousness is so nice that even one is in the modes of passion and ignorance, at once he’ll be elevated on the platform of goodness, provided he agrees to follow the rules and regulations and chants Hare Krsna. This chanting of Hare Krsna and following the rules and regulation will keep you intact in goodness. Rest assured. Without failure.
710407LE.BOM
So this process should be adopted, how to become sukrtina. Sukrti means yajna-dana-tapa-kriya. One must perform sacrifices as prescribed in the sastras, and they must give in charity their hard-earned money for Krsna’s cause. That is called dana. Yajna, dana, and tapasya. Tapasya. Just like tomorrow is Sri Rama-navami. The tapasya will be that all the devotees will observe fasting from morning till evening. This is called tapasya. JUST LIKE EKADASI DAY–THERE IS NO EATING SUMPTUOUSLY. SIMPLY YOU TAKE LITTLE FRUITS AND FLOWERS. TRY TO AVOID THAT ALSO. YOU DON’T TAKE EVEN WATER. THAT IS REALLY EKADASI. BUT BECAUSE WE CANNOT DO IT–IN THE KALI-YUGA THE TIME IS DIFFERENT–THEREFORE WE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LITTLE FRUIT AND MILK, WHICH IS CALLED ANUKALPA.
55-01-01.spl BROTHERS
(21) Initiated members shall observe the “Ekadasi Brata” twice in a month and on that day he will be allowed to take only fruits & none of the cereals.
68-02-01 Letter: Madhusudana
Ekadasi is observed for increasing the strength of devotion.
68-04-21 Letter: Malati
Yes, here everything is very joyous, because so many nice boys and girls have joined the society, and they are joyfully dancing and chanting. You can let Syamasundara. know that the calculation of Rathayatra was made one month ahead. The actual date is the 28th of June; beginning of Rathayatra is on the 28th, and it will continue till 8 days, and the general festival may be observed on the 7th of July, Sunday (BECAUSE SATURDAY IS EKADASI).
69-10-27 Letter: Govinda
I have duly received the bananas you sent, and you can send me these dried bananas tons and tons. It is very useful and can be nicely used for OUR EKADASI FOODSTUFFS. AFTER DRYING THE BANANAS YOU CAN MAKE POWDER, JUST LIKE FLOUR, AND OUT OF THIS YOU CAN PREPARE PURIS, HALAVA, PAKORAS AND OTHER FRUIT PRODUCTS.
69-11-11 Letter: Rudra
Regarding the vows and chanting method you have adopted, it is very nice. BUT DO NOT IMPOSE SOMETHING WHICH WILL BE DIFFICULT TO EXECUTE. THERE IS NO NEED OF FASTING ONCE VERY WEEK. TWO DAYS FASTING PER MONTH ON EKADASI IS SUFFICIENT. BESIDES THAT THERE ARE OTHER SPECIAL FASTING DAYS. SPIRITUAL REALIZATION DEPENDS ON AUSTERITIES AND VOWS, BUT IN THIS AGE, BY THE MERCY OF KRISHNA AND LORD CAITANYA, WE NEED NOT UNDERGO VERY SEVERE PENANCES, AS WE ARE UNABLE TO DO IT. THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY PRESCRIBED, THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR ORDINARY MEN. But as you have increased the chanting of beads to 25 rounds daily, that is very nice
69-11-20. Letter: Gaurasundara
Srimati Jayasri Dasi sent me SOME DRIED BANANA CHIPS AND THEY ARE VERY NICE FOR MY EKADASI FOOD. Is it possible to send us in large quantity this foodstuff? If not, please try to send me at least one small packet like that every fortnight.
71-07-09 Letter: Jadurani
Why just 25 rounds? You should chant as many as possible. Real Ekadasi means fasting and chanting and no other business. When one observes fasting, the chanting becomes easier. SO ON EKADASI OTHER BUSINESS CAN BE SUSPENDED AS FAR AS POSSIBLE UNLESS THERE IS SOME URGENT BUSINESS.
76-11-26. Letter: Ramesvara
Because there is a little leniency, immediately faulty things are creeping in. So we should be known as shaven-headed, not hair-headed. This is discrepancy. AT LEAST ONCE IN A MONTH YOU MUST BE CLEARLY SHAVEN-HEADED. ON THE BRIGHT FORTNIGHT, ON THE DAY OF PURNIMA, FOUR DAYS AFTER EKADASI. ONCE IN A MONTH, IN THE BRIGHT FORTNIGHT we must be shaven-headed. It is not desirable that in grown up age also, you be chastised. that is not desirable-that is also difficult because when the disciple or son is grown up, if he is chastised, then he breaks. So before being chastised we should be conscious that this is our rules and regulations, we must observe. Therefore it is advised by Canakya Pandit (Sanskrit) After the 16th year of the disciple or son, he should be treated as friend because if you chastise when he is grown up then he will break up- that is also another risk. So our request is that instead of chastising, with folded hands I request you, don’t you become hippies again by growing hair. Keep your head cleansed at least once in a month.
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Devotee: On ekadasi, we can offer the Deity grains?
Prabhupada: Oh yes. BUT NOT GURU. EKADASI OBSERVED BY JIVA-TATTVA, NOT BY VISNU-TATTVA. WE ARE FASTING FOR CLEARING OUR MATERIAL DISEASE, BUT RADHA-KRSNA, CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU… CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU ALSO MAY NOT BE OFFERED GRAINS BECAUSE HE IS PLAYING THE PART OF A DEVOTEE. ONLY RADHA-KRSNA, JAGANNATHA CAN BE OFFERED GRAINS. OTHERWISE, GURU-GAURANGA, NO. AND THE PRASADAM SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN BY ANYONE. IT SHOULD BE KEPT FOR NEXT DAY.
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Prabhupada: Huh? What do you mean by machine. First of all define what is your idea of machine. Just like the other day we saw, we saw the Thompson place, being printed, being collected, and so many things are being done. It is like this. By machine the seasonal changes are going on, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, the water in the ocean, the waves are there. Everything, machine working. It is machine. EVERYTHING BEING SYSTEMATICALLY DONE. Such a big ocean, vast water, it is just on the brink, no more. It is so organized. The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You’ll find everything is going on. (break) Today is ekadasi, eleventh day of the moon, the moon shall be like this. THERE ONE CAN SEE THE MOON AND HE CAN CALCULATE. “TODAY IS EKADASI.” THIS IS NOT MACHINE? IT IS EXACTLY, MACHINE.
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Tamala Krsna: Sometimes we have heard that ekadasi is a inauspicious alignment of the planets and therefore one has to counteract this inauspiciousness by more chanting.
Prabhupada: (laughs) No, no. IT IS THE MOST AUSPICIOUS. AND CHANTING IS MORE EFFECTIVE. (break) Yes.
Tamala Krsna: I remember you were instructing once that all of your initiated disciples should chant twenty-five rounds…
Prabhupada: MINIMUM.
Tamala Krsna: Minimum on this day. Is that a rule that we should all follow in our temples?
Prabhupada: We are sixteen rounds.
Tamala Krsna: No, I mean on ekadasi.
Prabhupada: OH YES. EKADASI, SIMPLY YOU SHOULD CHANT. NO OTHER BUSINESS. NIRJALA.
Tamala Krsna: No preaching work? Should they go out for preaching?
Prabhupada: NO, THOSE WHO ARE PREACHING, NOT FOR THEM. THOSE WHO ARE SITTING IDLE, OR THEY… (LAUGHTER) (BREAK) …HAS NO OTHER REGULATION, SIMPLY PREACHING. A PREACHER IS SO EXALTED. HE HASN’T GOT TO FOLLOW ANY REGULATION. BUT DON’T TAKE IT. (LAUGHTER) AND ACTUALLY IF ONE IS BUSY IN PREACHING WORK, THAT IS FIRST-CLASS. (BREAK) …NOT MY MANUFACTURED WORD, MY GURU MAHARAJA, THAT THE… THAT MADHAVA MAHARAJA, WHEN HE WAS A BRAHMACARI, HIS NAME WAS HAYAGRIVA. SO HE WAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. SO BUT HE WAS SICK. GURU MAHARAJA WAS INFORMED THAT HE WAS SICK AND “TODAY IS EKADASI. HE CANNOT TAKE HIS REGULAR MEALS.” SO GURU MAHARAJA SAID, “NO. LET HIM TAKE IMMEDIATELY MEALS AND GO.”
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Tamala Krsna: We should always chant twenty-five rounds on ekadasi if initiated.
Prabhupada: INITIATED? EVERYONE. WHY INITIATED?
Tamala Krsna: So that should be standard for our movement on ekadasi day?
Prabhupada: Standard is sixteen, but if one can chant more, then he is welcome.
Tamala Krsna: It’s not mandatory for ekadasi.
Jayapataka: Recommended.
Prabhupada: No. EKADASI MEANS THAT, FASTING AND CHANTING.
Tamala Krsna: Sometimes I’m wondering, because our men have to go out on BOOK DISTRIBUTION.
Prabhupada: NO, NO. THAT IS ALSO PREACHING WORK. FOR THAT PURPOSE YOU CAN STOP THIS, BUT GENERALLY, ONE WHO HAS NO PREACHING WORK, HE CAN CHANT.
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Ramesvara: So I’ve been told that if one fasts on Bhima-ekadasi, that it is like fasting on all the ekadasis. Is that true?
Prabhupada: Yes. Ekadasi is meant for fasting, either Bhima or Arjuna. But we cannot fast, therefore we have to take little fruits and…. Otherwise, ekadasi means fasting.
Tamala Krsna: If it is possible, should we go without eating at all?
Prabhupada: Yes. But don’t lie down and sleep.
Mahendra: Eating maha-prasadam is also fasting.
Prabhupada: Who says?
Mahendra: You said that to Paramahamsa Swami once.
Prabhupada: And you heard from Paramahamsa.
Mahendra: No, I was in the room. It was when he was trying to observe Caturmasya.
Prabhupada: I NEVER SAID THAT.
Mahendra: Oh, okay, I must have heard wrong.
Prabhupada: IF THERE IS SERVICE AND, ON MY FASTING, SERVICE WILL BE STOPPED, THEN I CAN TAKE. FIRST CONSIDERATION, SERVICE. NOW IF SOMEBODY FEELS WEAK, HE CAN TAKE MAHA-PRASADA, RENDER SERVICE.
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To advance in spiritual life these things are essential, tapasya. TAPASYA MEANS VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTING SOMETHING WHICH MAY BE PAINFUL. Just like we are recommending no illicit sex, no gambling, no meat-eating. So those who are accustomed to these bad habits, for them, in he beginning it may be a little difficult. But in spite of becoming difficult, one has to do it. That is called tapasya. To rise early in the morning, those who are not practiced, it is a little painful, but one has to do it. So this is called tapasya. So according to the Vedic injunction, there are some tapasyas that must be done. It is not, “I may do it or not do it.” It must be done. Just like in the Mundaka Upanisad it is ordered that one must go to the spiritual master. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. So there is no question of voluntarily, but it must be. And one must carry out by the order of a spiritual master and the order of the sastra. That is called tapasya. JUST LIKE IN OUR LINE EKADASI IS COMPULSORY. ONE MAY FEEL SOME INCONVENIENCE FASTING OR SIMPLY EATING FRUITS. NO. IT MUST BE DONE. THERE ARE SO MANY RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH IS ESSENTIAL. IT MUST BE DONE. THAT IS CALLED TAPASYA. Without consideration whether it is convenient or inconvenient for you, which is, must be done, that is called tapasya. Tapah, divyam… JUST LIKE RSABHADEVA ORDERS THAT THIS HUMAN LIFE IS MEANT FOR TAPASYA.
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Prabhupada: Yes, that must be. Why Mayapura? Vrndavana, they are accustomed. Ya devi sarva-bhutesu nidra… This sleeping is the maya’s influence. It is stated in the… Ya devi sarva-bhutesu nidra-rupena samsthitah.(?) The Devi, this material energy, has captured everyone, and she is there… The more one sleeps, that means he’s under the control of maya. And the more he is not sleeping, he’s free from maya. Nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau. THE GOSVAMIS, THEY CONQUERED OVER THREE THINGS: NIDRA, SLEEPING; AHARA, EATING; AND MATING. THESE THINGS ARE THE CLUTCHES OF MAYA. More we have sex, more we have eating, more we have sleeping, that means I am entangled. THE MORE WE CONQUER OVER IT, WE ARE FREE. THAT WE HAVE TO TRY. Whether I am in the clutches of maya or not CAN BE TESTED–whether I am sleeping more, whether I am eating more, whether I am more sexually inclined. He can test himself. And bhakti means vairagya-vidya, to conquer over these three things. So practice this. They are… To rise early in the morning and attend mangala-arati is compulsory. It is part of this education, spiritual education. AND NOT TO EAT MORE THAN NECESSARY. THEN YOU’LL NOT SLEEP MORE. YOU’LL FIND, IF YOU OBSERVE FAST, YOU WON’T FEEL SLEEPY. HAVE YOU TESTED THIS?
Gargamuni: Yes. I can remember.
Prabhupada: THEREFORE EKADASI. ONE DAY OR TWO DAYS IN THE MONTH HE SHOULD PRACTICE FASTING, AND THEN HE’LL BE ABLE TO CONQUER OVER THESE THINGS. THESE ARE ALL PRACTICAL. SO WE SHOULD PRACTICE OURSELF AND TEACH OTHERS. THIS IS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT. AND IF HE THINKS THAT HE’S QUITE ALL RIGHT IN THIS MATERIAL ATMOSPHERE, THEN HE’S DOOMED. MUDHAH NABHIJANATI. THAT MEANS APRAPYA MAM–WITHOUT ACHIEVING KRSNA–NIVARTANTE–AGAIN HE GOES BACK–MRTYU-SAMSARA-VARTMANI–THE CYCLE OF BIRTH AND DEATH. TAKE ONE BIRTH, SUFFER, AGAIN TAKE ANOTHER BODY, AGAIN TAKE ANOTHER BODY, ANOTHER BODY.
Amar Puri says:
It does mean on the same day, e.g. Kamika Ekadasi 22th July 2014, London devotees begin to fast when their “local” Moon phase in London is suitable (AS PER GMT), and those in Mayapur also at the “Mayapur local” Moonphase, thus at different local times.
Yes indeed. That is exactly what Srila Prabhupada means for the worldwide time zones when he states;
“we follow the calendar in Mayapur”, regarding dates and daily fasting starting and end times for Ekadasi, locally / worldwide .
The point here, is that the “Vedic Vaishnava Calendar Version 4.01” is not authorised by Prabhupada.
The “Our calendar” mentioned in the above letters is the authorised calendar.
http://harekrishnacalendar.com/
Vipramukhya claims that Pradyumna introduced a calendar: (with similar properties to that of “Vedic Vaishnava Calendar Version 4.01”)
I guess this is what Vipramukhya is talking about. This is the first change to the calendar.
Vaisnava Calendar BTG v12 #6, page 14h, 1977
July 12 (Puruṣottama 26)
Ekādaśī (North America, Central America, Hawaii observe Ekādaśī on July 11)
I am confused now, is this vCal401 calender bonafide or not?
If it is not bonafide why? and which Calender do we have to follow now?
I thought this vCal401 calendar was in use during Prabhupadas time? Is it not?
Who gave Shyamasundara Dasa and Markandeya Rishi Dasa the authority to circulate this vCal401?
Its says: The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc. copyright (c) 1983-1999. All rights reserved.
Can please somebody explain? Is this a bonafide BBTi publication?
From where can I download the Panjika to use with my computer?
Hare Rama,
please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Another program that automatically gives you desktop reminders of every Ekadashi and important date for Vaishnavas:
http://harekrishnacalendar.com/vaishnava-reminder/
Just go to options and configure it for your location.
Greetings
Bhakta Robin
Hare Krishna, Forgive my poor English. The date of Ekadasi is one only day for the whole world, because the moon is marking the date of the sun, and it is the same for all the people. The day is marked by the Moon and the day begins in India and is for the whole globe on the same day. It is a speculation to say that Sri Ekadasi Devi grants their influence one day for a part of the planet, and another day for the other half, and the same for Papa Purusa. It is not so. If Lord Chaitanya is in India today, and He say. “Today is Ekadasi.” Then is Ekadasi for everyone. And none can speculate that: “I will do Ekadasi tomorrow because here we are 12 degrees far from India, or, is better to do fasting of Ekadasi on Saturday, or something else.
There have been a few devotees that are confused about what to calander to follow for Ekadasi eg UK, German, French, American timings OR Mayapur timing.
When Srila Prabhupada was physically present the situation was EVERYONE followed MAYAPUR TIME SETTING for Calander. There was no UK Time, German Time, France Time etc. These are ALL bogus inventions.
To make it VERY clear: Srila Prabhupada wanted us follow ONE TIME SETTING THROUGHOUT the WORLD and that is MAYAPUR, INDIA.
STEP BY STEP MAYAPUR CALANDER DATES
1) FIRST Please CHECK that it is MAYAPUR, INDIA date setting:
Mayapur, W. Bengal, India (088E22 23N28, Time zone = +5.30)
2) Go to http://www.mayapur.com/vaishnava-calendar/
Srila Prabhupada kept it SO SIMPLE for us to follow the Ekadasi: EVERY COUNTRY in the world has to FOLLOW Mayapur VAISNAVA Panjika DATE for Ekadasi. We ALL follow the VAISNAVA CALENDER DATE in MAYAPUR NO MATTER whatever country you live in. SO SIMPLE. ONE DATE FOR ALL COUNTRIES. SO SIMPLE. All Glories to OUR BONAFIDE Diksa Guru Srila Prabhupada!
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Some Indians here in UK get Panjika from local Indian grocer shops and they have TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EKADASI. Yes – this means CONFUSION of dates. They have both SIVA Pantha and VAISNAVA Pantha Ekadasi in their Panjika . Problem is they do NOT tell you which is SIVA Pantha Ekadasi. So —- instead of doing Vaisnava Ekadasi one can be doing Siva Pantha Ekadasi.
Let us go further to clear the Ekadasi questions that devotees have:
Question:
Does that mean that for example, Kamika Ekadasi was on 22th July. It starts in Mayapur at 4 am Mayapur time, and London devotees begin to fast right at the same moment (like during a phone call between Mayapur and London), e.g. London time 0am at Midnight? And they break fast on 23th July at London time Midnight, which is sunrise in Mayapur 4am at the same moment?
That was the system exactly followed during Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence?
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada’s Ekadasi arrangements were set like Janamastmi during the those early days. Janamastmi is done at 12.00 MIDNIGHT at the EXACT DATE in ALL countries. Some Indian temples here UK they the let the congregation home early. This however, is NOT Srila Prabhupada’s arrangement. It is fixed EVERYWHERE IN ALL COUNTRIES UPTO 12.00 MIDNIGHT. Ekadasi is set SIMILARLY . WE SIMPLY TAKE THE DATE OF MAYAPUR VAISNAVA CALENDER. The TIME settings are NOT PRACTICAL.
There is also a point to note – Lord Rama appeared at 12.00 NOON and ALL Hindus fast till 12.00 PM. Srila Prabhupada EXTENDED fasting MORNING TILL EVENING:
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So this process should be adopted, how to become sukrtina. Sukrti means yajna-dana-tapa-kriya. One must perform sacrifices as prescribed in the sastras, and they must give in charity their hard-earned money for Krsna’s cause. That is called dana. Yajna, dana, and tapasya. Tapasya. JUST LIKE TOMORROW IS SRI RAMA-NAVAMI. THE TAPASYA WILL BE THAT ALL THE DEVOTEES WILL OBSERVE FASTING FROM MORNING TILL EVENING. This is called tapasya. Just like Ekadasi day–there is no eating sumptuously. Simply you take little fruits and flowers. Try to avoid that also. You don’t take even water. That is really ekadasi. But because we cannot do it–in the Kali-yuga the time is different–therefore we are allowed to take little fruit and milk, which is called anukalpa. These are different methods of tapasya. And yajna. This yajna, sankirtanaih prayair yajnaih, yajanti hi su-medhasah. In this age you cannot perform that big asvamedha yajna, gomedha yajna, rajasuya yajna, so many other yajnas. It is not possible. First of all, you have no means to perform such yajnas, hundreds and hundreds of tons ghee required for putting into the sacrificial fire. You have not even a drop of your ghee. So forget all those yajnas. In this age, yajnaih sankirtanaih prayaih. That is recommended in the sastra:
krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam
sangopangastra-parsadam
yajnaih sankirtanaih prayair
yajanti hi su-medhasah
PROOF THAT SAME CALENDER DATES ARE TO BE USED AS MAYAPUR VAISNAVA PANJIKA
Here is PROOF that MAYAPUR VAISNAVA PANJIKA DATES USED CORRESPONDED TO THAT USED IN CC ACCORDING TO COUNTRY THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS IN:
Note: TODAY, SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1974–CORRESPONDING TO THE 10TH OF KARTIKKA, CAITANYA ERA 488, THE ELEVENTH DAY OF THE DARK FORTNIGHT, THE RAMA-EKADAS
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“YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND THE AVOIDANCE OF MIXED EKADASI AND THE PERFORMANCE OF PURE EKADASI. YOU SHOULD ALSO DESCRIBE THE FAULT IN NOT OBSERVING THIS. One should be very careful as far as these items are concerned. If one is not careful, one will be negligent in executing devotional service.
CAITANYA-CARITAMRTA CONCLUDING WORDS
TODAY, SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1974–CORRESPONDING TO THE 10TH OF KARTIKKA, CAITANYA ERA 488, THE ELEVENTH DAY OF THE DARK FORTNIGHT, THE RAMA-EKADASI–we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami’ s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend.
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HERE SRILA PRABHUPADA IS ASKING PRADYUMNA TO REFER TO LATEST PANJIKA INSTEAD OF LAST YEAR -THIS MEANS THAT THEY USED THE LATEST PANJIKA DATES WITH CORRESPONDING DATES OF THE COUNTRY:
Note: WHY YOU ARE SEARCHING BYANJALI DVADASI IN THIS LAST YEAR’S PANJIKA?
70-04-29. Letter: Pradyumna
2. WHEN THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DVADASI, THE EKADASI FASTING IS TRANSFERRED ON THE DVADASI, AND THIS IS CALLED MAHADVADASI. THE 26TH OCTOBER, 1970, IS ACTUALLY DVADASI, SO THE FASTING IS OBSERVED TOGETHER, OR EKADASI FASTING IS DISREGARDED, AND THE DVADASI (MAHADVADASI) FASTING IS TAKEN AS IMPORTANT.
You were give this old Panjika just to consult the names and spelling only. The dates are different, so whatever date I have given, that is correct. WHY YOU ARE SEARCHING BYANJALI DVADASI IN THIS LAST YEAR’S PANJIKA? WHAT I HAVE GIVEN IS FROM THIS YEAR’S PANJIKA, SO EVERYTHING WILL NOT COLLABORATE.
5. 7th February, 1971–Varaha-Dvadasi, I have explained the position in regard to #2.
6. SO FAR DETERMINING EKADASI IT IS COUNTED 11 DAYS AFTER THE FULL MOON AND 11 DAYS AFTER THE NEW MOON, BUT SOMETIMES IT SO HAPPENS AS YOU HAVE NOTED ONE DAY LATER. HOWEVER, WHAT I HAVE GIVEN IS CORRECT.
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53. That the GBC accepts the Yoga Pitha Gaudiya Panjika calendar as authoritative for ISKCON on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. IT IS ALSO SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS THAT THE PANJIKA BE FOLLOWED IN ANY TIME ZONE OF THE WORLD ACCORDING TO THE SAME CALENDAR DATE AS OBSERVED IN MAYAPUR. Bhakti Caru Swami shall secure and certify an official translation. [Provisional Order]
(GBC Resolutions February 25, 1988)
“on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada”
Question: what TIME do you break fast in OTHER countries.
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada has taught the use of MAYAPUR VAISNAVA PANJIKA times. We simply use THE MAYAPUR VAISNAVA PANJIKA times. THIS is our STANDARD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
The situation with regards to calculating TITHI are cumbersome. Up north Sweden has sometimes all darkeness and sometimes all Day time. HOW are you going to break fast in those countries? European countries they have different times of Day Light. Srila Prabhupada says SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS. Best thing is STANDARD MAYAPUR VAISNAVA PANJIKA times AS WAS USED in SRILA PRABHUPADA’S PHYSICAL PRESENCE.
69-09-30. Letter: Madhudvisa
REGARDING YOU FIRST QUESTION, WE OBSERVE EKADASI FROM SUNRISE TO SUNRISE. THE 12 MIDNIGHT IS WESTERN ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION, BUT THE VEDIC ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION BEGINS EITHER FROM THE SUNRISE OR THE MOONRISE. GENERALLY IT IS SUNRISE. OUR CALCULATION IS LIKE THIS: WHEN THE SUNRISE IS THERE, EKADASI TITHI (DATE) MUST BE THERE. IF EKADASI TITHI IS NOT IN THE SUNRISE AND THE TITHI BEGINS, SAY AFTER A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SUNRISE, THEN WE ACCEPT THAT DAY AS PREVIOUS TO EKADASI. ALL OUR CEREMONIES ARE CALCULATED IN THAT WAY. THIS MEANS WE MUST SEE THE TITHI DURING SUNRISE. THEREFORE, SOMETIMES OUR DATES OF CEREMONIES DO NOT EXACTLY COINCIDE LIKE THE WESTERN CALCULATIONS. JUST LIKE CHRISTMAS DAY THEY HAVE FIXED UP ON THE 25TH DECEMBER, BUT OUR JANMASTAMI TITHI IS NOT FIXED UP LIKE THAT. MY BIRTHDAY IS ON THE 1ST SEPTEMBER, 1896, BUT THIS YEAR THE TITHI OF MY BIRTHDAY WAS FIXED FOR THE 4TH SEPTEMBER. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS.
The following is HOW best to be within the time period by taking water:
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So one day he came to Ambarisa Maharaja on the dvadasi day with sixty thousand disciples and ordered the Maharaja, “Maharaja, today we have come to take prasadam in your palace. Please arrange for this.” So that was dvadasi day. You know, on the dvadasi there was… That is a regulative principle, that in the morning at about nine o’clock one has to take something, prasadam, to break the vows, break fast. So this Durvasa Muni along with disciples, they went to the river Ganges to take bath, but they were willfully not coming back. SO AMBARISA MAHARAJA ASKED THE PRIEST THAT “DURVASA MUNI IS MY GUEST. I CANNOT TAKE ANYTHING WITHOUT OFFERING HIM. SO WHAT SHALL I DO? NOW I HAVE TO OBSERVE THE DVADASI BREAKFAST.” SO THE BRAHMANA PRIEST ORDERED HIM THAT “MAHARAJA, YOU CAN TAKE LITTLE CARANAMRTA,” THE WATER. SO ACCORDING TO SASTRA, DRINKING LITTLE WATER IS NOT BREAKING FAST, SO IT WILL BE NOT TAKEN VERY… SO WITH THE ADVICE OF THE BRAHMANA… FORMERLY THE KINGS, THEY WERE GUIDED BY THE INSTRUCTION OF THE BRAHMANAS AND GREAT SAINTLY PERSONS. THEY WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING WHIMSICALLY. THAT IS NOT THE FACT. SO WITH THE INSTRUCTION OF THE BRAHMANAS, HE TOOK LITTLE CARANAMRTA.
SB 9.4 Summary Ambarisa Maharaja Offended by Durvasa Muni
Once Maharaja Ambarisa was worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Vrndavana, observing the vow of Dvadasi. ON DVADASI, THE DAY AFTER EKADASI, WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO BREAK HIS EKADASI FAST, THE GREAT MYSTIC YOGI DURVASA APPEARED IN HIS HOUSE AND BECAME HIS GUEST. KING AMBARISA RESPECTFULLY RECEIVED DURVASA MUNI, AND DURVASA MUNI, AFTER ACCEPTING HIS INVITATION TO EAT THERE, WENT TO BATHE IN THE YAMUNA RIVER AT NOONTIME. BECAUSE HE WAS ABSORBED IN SAMADHI, HE DID NOT COME BACK VERY SOON. MAHARAJA AMBARISA, HOWEVER, UPON SEEING THAT THE TIME TO BREAK THE FAST WAS PASSING, DRANK A LITTLE WATER, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADVICE OF LEARNED BRAHMANAS, JUST TO OBSERVE THE FORMALITY OF BREAKING THE FAST.
SB 9.4.39-40 Ambarisa Maharaja Offended by Durvasa Muni
The King said: “To transgress the laws of respectful behavior toward the brahmanas is certainly a great offense. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF ONE DOES NOT OBSERVE THE BREAKING OF THE FAST WITHIN THE TIME OF DVADASI, THERE IS A FLAW IN ONE’S OBSERVANCE OF THE VOW. THEREFORE, O BRAHMANAS, IF YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BE AUSPICIOUS AND NOT IRRELIGIOUS, I SHALL BREAK THE FAST BY DRINKING WATER.” IN THIS WAY, AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE BRAHMANAS, THE KING REACHED THIS DECISION, FOR ACCORDING TO BRAHMINICAL OPINION, DRINKING WATER MAY BE ACCEPTED AS EATING AND ALSO AS NOT EATING.
PURPORT
When Maharaja Ambarisa, in his dilemma, consulted the brahmanas about whether he should break the fast or wait for Durvasa Muni, apparently they could not give a definite answer about what to do. A Vaisnava, however, is the most intelligent personality. THEREFORE MAHARAJA AMBARISA HIMSELF DECIDED, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BRAHMANAS, THAT HE WOULD DRINK A LITTLE WATER, FOR THIS WOULD CONFIRM THAT THE FAST WAS BROKEN BUT WOULD NOT TRANSGRESS THE LAWS FOR RECEIVING A BRAHMANA. IN THE VEDAS IT IS SAID, APO ‘SNATI TAN NAIVASITAM NAIVANASITAM. THIS VEDIC INJUNCTION DECLARES THAT THE DRINKING OF WATER MAY BE ACCEPTED AS EATING OR AS NOT EATING. Sometimes in our practical experience we see that some political leader adhering to satyagraha will not eat but will drink water. CONSIDERING THAT DRINKING WATER WOULD NOT BE EATING, MAHARAJA AMBARISA DECIDED TO ACT IN THIS WAY.
“to bring Mayapur everywhere” can only be achieved by using the Mayapur callender.
http://scsmath.com/events/calendar/index.html
the calender you prompt is different from this about.
I have followed this calender for 30 yrs. I NEVER followed the IS-A-CON “I’m different in every time zone calender’
but so now the questions arises. your Indian calender is different. Why?
Raja Caturbahu D Bhakti says:
24. July 2014 at 12:29 pm
http://scsmath.com/events/calendar/index.html
the calender you prompt is different from this about.
I have followed this calender for 30 yrs. I NEVER followed the IS-A-CON “I’m different in every time zone calender’
Mahesh: You are following Gaudiya Matha calender. They ALSO bogus with so many so-called guru appearance dates etc. ALL you need to follow is EKADASI DATES set for MAYAPUR THAT IS ALL.
Mahesh: You are following Gaudiya Matha calender. They ALSO bogus with so many so-called guru appearance dates etc. ALL you need to follow is EKADASI DATES set for MAYAPUR THAT IS ALL.
That is of no consequence to my purpose of following the Mayapur calender. This source is the same source we used in the old days too. Prabhupada used Sridara’s calender, is it not?
My question is the calender you promote is different in that the important dates are not the same. I did not check the whole calender, but this last ekadasi was on different date.
Now if you are going to say they are bogus just because. I can say the same about the calender you show.
Why the different ekadasi dates on two Indian calenders claiming to be pure Mayapura?
pamho agtACBSP
The real vaisnava calendar is SRI KRSNA the way back home by killing the own false ego it’s not easy to find the right one but we got Krsna who is the source of everything. Off course there is a lot of mental speculation in the vaisnava calendars of nowadays especially in f-iskcon not just in the gaudiya math, everyone wants to get rid of the old, no one want the old but here is Krsna who is always young and ever flesh why you are keeping struggle through the old body calendar etc…
Everything is taking away by force through the factor time we can’t avoid old age disease death etc..in the same way we can’t avoid to surrender through the same factor time engaged constantly in Krsna’s service better to do like this then waiting to be taking away by force through the agents of SRI KRSNA in charge to bring back to the original consciousness of all the gundas criminals through heavy punishment.
The real events of the vaisnava calendar can make us to escape to this heavy punishment, SRILA PRABHUPADA also used to say the same is just by following the special events of the real vaisnava calendar that one get purified by awaking the spiritual consciousness, many sincere devotees are following the bogus calendar i could see that through the different dates and time to break SRI EKADASI DAY also.
Of course the sincere sadhakas who don’t know that are still getting the benifit because SRI KRSNA is the supreme vaisnava calendar reminder for everyone but is not the same for all the other so called senior devotees who give away fake calendars they will take the karma by giving the wrong instructions to the youngest followers of the vaisnava calendar.
Anyway this babilonia confusion about the vaisnava calendar is not something new is been all time like that since time immemorial everyone thinks differently from the right source called SRI KRSNA BHAGAVAT because as soon as one start to think and willing like SRI KRSNA as soon as one come out from all this confusion through old young and fake vaisnava calendar
agtSP ys haribol
Raja Caturbahu D Bhakti: That is of no consequence to my purpose of following the Mayapur calender. This source is the same source we used in the old days too. Prabhupada used Sridara’s calender, is it not?
My question is the calender you promote is different in that the important dates are not the same. I did not check the whole calender, but this last ekadasi was on different date.
Now if you are going to say they are bogus just because. I can say the same about the calender you show.
Why the different ekadasi dates on two Indian calenders claiming to be pure Mayapura?
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Mahesh: FACT: Nither ISKCON Mayapur Or Gaudiya Math own the monopoly of Mayapur Vaisnava Panjika.
Just like you can NOT make Hare Krsna Maha Mantra copyright:
69-06-10 Letter: Dinesh
Another thing is although I have brought this Sankirtana Movement to the Western World we cannot make it copyrighted. The Sankirtana Movement is not my invention. So how can it be copyrighted? Besides that, as you will find in the album of my previous recording, THE CHANTING OF HARE KRISHNA IS GOING ON SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL. SO HARE KRISHNA CANNOT BE COPYRIGHTED, although the tune in which I sing with my disciples, that may be made copyrighted. I have no objection to sign this agreement, BUT DON’T BE MISLED THAT THE CHANTING OF HARE KRISHNA OR LORD CAITANYA’S MOVEMENT CAN BE MADE COPYRIGHTED.
Note: It is the INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS that have sorted the Mayapur Vaisnava Panjika the ONLY difference being that BOTH groups ADD their OWN additions like BOGUS guru appearance dates etc.etc.etc.
THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS.
69-09-30. Letter: Madhudvisa
REGARDING YOU FIRST QUESTION, WE OBSERVE EKADASI FROM SUNRISE TO SUNRISE. THE 12 MIDNIGHT IS WESTERN ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION, BUT THE VEDIC ASTRONOMICAL CALCULATION BEGINS EITHER FROM THE SUNRISE OR THE MOONRISE. GENERALLY IT IS SUNRISE. OUR CALCULATION IS LIKE THIS: WHEN THE SUNRISE IS THERE, EKADASI TITHI (DATE) MUST BE THERE. IF EKADASI TITHI IS NOT IN THE SUNRISE AND THE TITHI BEGINS, SAY AFTER A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SUNRISE, THEN WE ACCEPT THAT DAY AS PREVIOUS TO EKADASI. ALL OUR CEREMONIES ARE CALCULATED IN THAT WAY. THIS MEANS WE MUST SEE THE TITHI DURING SUNRISE. THEREFORE, SOMETIMES OUR DATES OF CEREMONIES DO NOT EXACTLY COINCIDE LIKE THE WESTERN CALCULATIONS. JUST LIKE CHRISTMAS DAY THEY HAVE FIXED UP ON THE 25TH DECEMBER, BUT OUR JANMASTAMI TITHI IS NOT FIXED UP LIKE THAT. MY BIRTHDAY IS ON THE 1ST SEPTEMBER, 1896, BUT THIS YEAR THE TITHI OF MY BIRTHDAY WAS FIXED FOR THE 4TH SEPTEMBER. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE HELP FROM THE INDIAN EXPERT ALMANAC ASTRONOMERS.
Raja Caturbahu D Bhakti: I did not check the whole calender, but this last ekadasi was on different date.
Mahesh: I just did a cross-reference check on BOTH. Last Ekadasi on ISKCON Mayapur Calender was on 22nd July 2014 Suddha Ekadasi
Kamika Ekadasi
http://www.mayapur.com/vaishnava-calendar/
Gaudiya Festival Dates was ALSO on the SAME date 22nd July 2014 Suddha Ekadasi
http://scsmath.com/events/calendar/index.html#july
If any other points please bring it up so EVERYONE can know. We want to examine with scrutiny.We just do NOT accept their BOGUS guru appearance dates etc. We ONLY accept Srila Prabhupada OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU. That’s all.
Raja Caturbahu D Bhakti says:That is of no consequence to my purpose of following the Mayapur calender
Mahesh: Gaudiya Math Calender will not have this instructions:
760211mw.may Conversations
Prabhupada: Observe. YOU HAVE GOT ANY PANJIKA?
Jayapataka: Yes. Just now bringing.
Prabhupada: Yes. So there is mention what to do.
Jayapataka: (break) Bhaumi ekadasi or Varahadevir, avirbhava-janita upavasa.
Prabhupada: Today. Today.
Jayapataka: Budhabara, yes.
Prabhupada: BOTH TOGETHER, upavasa.
Jayapataka: Yes.
Prabhupada: Then next day?
Jayapataka: The next day it says, dina ata pancas gote dostha madhye se varahadevir arcanam te bhaumi ekadasir o varaha-dvadasir param.(?)
Prabhupada: SO TODAY, EKADASI AS USUAL, THE VARAHA-DVADASI WILL BE ALSO OBSERVED AND TOMORROW BREAKFAST.
Tamala Krsna: Breakfast. Fast? No.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: Fasting tomorrow or…
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krsna: Regular…
Prabhupada: Simply worshiping Varahadeva. Kesava dhrta-sukara-rupa, jaya jagadisa hare. That take.
Jayapataka: Between 8:50 and 10:00 we should break the fast.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called parayana?
Prabhupada: Eh? Parayana.
Hrdayananda: There’s a very famous lecture you gave, Srila Prabhupada, one day on a Varaha-dvadasi, where you sang Jaya Jagadisa and then you explained it. A very wonderful lecture.
Jayapataka: And the day after is Nityananda’s avirbhava.
Prabhupada: Oh, then half-day fasting.
Tamala Krsna: Wow.
Hrdayananda: Auspicious alignment.
Tamala Krsna: (break) …on your appearance day and Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati’s and Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Gaura Kisora’s we should observe half-day fast. I have a question that on all the other auspicious days, just like Narottama dasa Thakura and others, should we also observe half-day fast?
Prabhupada: It is… But if you cannot, that is another…
Tamala Krsna: Sometimes because of the sankirtana…
Prabhupada: No, no. If you cannot, you can take.
Tamala Krsna: And just sing some songs and praise.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Kirtana is main thing.
Tamala Krsna: And if possible, then the fasting.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: I see. (break) …is up till sun…
Prabhupada: Up till sunset. Lord Ramacandra.
Tamala Krsna: Also. And Srimati Radharani?
Prabhupada: Half.
Tamala Krsna: Half day. (break)
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Tamala Krsna: What kind of fast is that?
Prabhupada: Balarama? Half day. It is fifteen days before Janmastami.
Tamala Krsna: We should always chant twenty-five rounds on ekadasi if initiated.
Prabhupada: Initiated? Everyone. Why initiated?
Tamala Krsna: So that should be standard for our movement on ekadasi day?
Prabhupada: Standard is sixteen, but if one can chant more, then he is welcome.
Tamala Krsna: It’s not mandatory for ekadasi.
Jayapataka: Recommended.
Prabhupada: No. Ekadasi means that, fasting and chanting.
Tamala Krsna: Sometimes I’m wondering, because our men have to go out on book distribution.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is also preaching work. For that purpose you can stop this, but generally, one who has no preaching work, he can chant.
Tamala Krsna: Extra.
Prabhupada: Extra.
Tamala Krsna: I see. (end)
A friend wrote to Krsna Balaram Swami about this issue and got the following reply via J. Walker:
“As you are Prabhupada’s disciple, you must know what the standard established by Srila Prabhupada was. He wanted the calendar translated from Gaudiya Math and also did the same. As long as he lived, he had only that calendar all over ISKCON. Now they have changed, as so has the Gaudiya Math. All the real learned scholars of Gaudiya Math have left this world, but the present calculators are still better than any of the ones in ISKCON or the Mayavadi calculators in India. Our Swamiji is following the same calculation standard that Srila Prabhupada used. Please understand that our Swamiji wants to do everything as it is, without making any changes, because that was his Guru’s desire. Therefore, sometimes dates from Swamiji’s calendar and present day Gaudiya Math may differ. You can find the correct dates for each fasting date from our calendar at http://www.krsna.org if you so wish to follow.
Thank you.”
Bhakta Joe says:
25. July 2014 at 7:43 pm
A friend wrote to Krsna Balaram Swami about this issue and got the following reply via J. Walker:
“….Therefore, sometimes dates from Swamiji’s calendar and present day Gaudiya Math may differ. You can find the correct dates for each fasting date from our calendar at http://www.krsna.org if you so wish to follow.”
Mahesh: This guy Krsna Balarama “Swami” calls himself HIS DIVINE GRACE. This man is a disgrace he is ALSO on wannbe AS GOOD AS GOD trip just like the bogus ISKCON and Gaudiya math rubber-stamped bogus gurus. THE ANTI RITVIK CROOKS ARE ALL ENVIOUS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S CURRENT DISKA GURU POSITION:
33. His Divine Grace Mahamandaleswar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji
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Note: here his Calander includes Raksabandhan day:
Aug 10 – Sun – Purnima (full moon day – the Lord’s swing festival ends on this day), Raksabandhan day,
Raskhee can only be tied after 13:06 Indian time
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Note: this just shows HOW this Krsna Balarama “swamiji” CONTRADICTS Srila Prabhupada:
68-03-26. Letter: Mukunda
I am very glad that you are repentant even for some action which is not sanctioned by me. This attitude is very nice and improves one in progressing on the path of devotional service. THE RAKHI BANDHAN CEREMONY OBSERVED BY YOU UNDER INSTRUCTION OF PRASAD ISN’T APPROVED BY OUR VAISNAVA RITUALS. OF COURSE, SUCH CEREMONY IS OBSERVED AMONG THE HINDU COMMUNITY AS A SOCIO-RELIGIOUS CONVENTION. BUT IN OUR VAISNAVA COMMUNITY THERE IS NO SUCH OBSERVANCE. NOW, FORGET THE INCIDENCE, AND IN FUTURE DON’T BE MISLED BY SOME UNAUTHORIZED PERSON.
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Note also on his website he has got a BEARD and LONG HAIR. No Srila Prabhupada disciple would dare have a beard and long hair in his presence. The guy does NOT even know the meaning of the word “disciple”:
The MEANING of the word “disciple”
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”
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Against the principle
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dhrstaketu, July 17, 1976:
“Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that one with LONG HAIR is NOT my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can’t compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can’t eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THAT THEY KEPT BEARD.”
Mahesh: I just did a cross-reference check on BOTH. Last Ekadasi on ISKCON Mayapur Calender was on 22nd July 2014 Suddha Ekadasi
Kamika Ekadasi
YES! that is the correct response. I’m in error, both calenders are the same. I noticed it AFTER I send my first post to this thread.
Just thought I would see how long it took for someone to actually check my claim before responding to me.
All is par for the course, thank you.
I feel compelled to respond to the slander against HDG Mahamandaleswar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swami in the comment from Mahesh Raja above. It is obviously based on assumption, negative rumor/gossip, and lack of actual research.
Please take a moment to read some of Swamiji’s books, available on the krsna.org website. I refer to the books specifically because those are written and edited and proofread by him directly. Since hiring someone to do editing on an early book he translated – Vaisnava Kantha-hara, and seeing that they made many changes after already paying to have it printed, he does not allow anyone to do editing on his books without submitting the proposed changes to him in detail and making them himself. This means that there may be some minor grammatical or spelling mistakes as English is not his native language, but the philosophy is impeccable. This point is important, because Srila Prabhupada’s books were also changed in unauthorized ways, both within his lifetime and after his disappearance. We must be very cautious of deceit in this Kali yuga.
If you take some time to read through the books, you will find that there is nothing that is not in complete agreement with sastra. Swamiji’s mission is to present everything “as it is”, as his spiritual master before him. I have only known him for a few short weeks, and in that time have been doing lots and lots of research in comparison with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings (not only what is published but also recorded lectures and personal letters), along with the writings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati and other predecessor acaryas. In my humble estimation, though my research is ongoing, there is nothing that is not perfectly authorized. Regardless of my opinion or eventual outcome, I find that doing this sort of research is extremely beneficial to one’s spiritual growth, as I am going deeper into things I have heard and read before, as well as finding things I had not. So my understanding of Srila Prabhupada has deepened and will continue to do so by doing this. Please do not fear statements some people make that reading something other than Srila Prabhupada’s books (while they are referring to books largely changed from his original dictation, which has been destroyed) will disturb your spirituality – that is simply not the case and this is propaganda intended to keep you from using your intelligence to discriminate as Prabhupada was so clear that we should do.
Srila Prabhupada was completely in accordance with sastra, which is why he was considered as acarya. So also was the case of all the previous acaryas.. To establish a new standard in the name of one’s initiating master breaks the age-old spiritual tradition and creates an upa-sampradaya or artificial religion. Srila Prabhupada certainly never intended to do that, but so many of his followers are doing so, both the “gurus” within ISKCON as well as the ritvik camps. I personally respect the attempt at preserving Srila Prabhupada’s mission that many ISKCON members have, though many may be misguided. I likewise respect the valid and well-researched arguments that the ritvik side presents against the GBC guru systems, though they are also equally guilty of trying to invent something new.
One must take diksa from a living bonafide guru who can give us specific instruction as we require. This has always been the case and always will be – anyone else is cheating themselves. We can take instruction from the writings left to us by previous acaryas, but that is not diksa. Unfortunately, many if not all initiating gurus within ISKCON are bogus. We can see this easily from their actions and mentality, after consulting sastra. Some have fallen in much worse ways than others, but selfishness and dishonesty are rampant. Even the best I have seen do not follow scriptural injunctions correctly. Krsna Balaram Swami is the only person initiated by Srila Prabhupada who’s life and soul is to serve his guru and who also seems free from the defects that plague other so-called gurus. He is not on any “good as god” trip and is extremely humble.
The ISKCON GBC (namely Hridayananda, Romapada, Trivikrama, and Bhaktimarga) came up with a completely falsified case against Krsna Balaram Swami in 1988/1989, which was an enormous insult to him, leading him to be outcaste from ISKCON for a year before being able to prove beyond doubt that the claims were entirely false (even the pawns that had been used to implicate him admitted the scandal, yet 3 of the people mentioned, who were proven to have lied, are still active GBC gurus!). Swamiji sincerely wanted to serve ISKCON because it was Srila Prabhupada’s mission, but eventually enough was enough and he could see that Srila Prabhupada’s genuine movement no longer existed in ISKCON as it had become, so he voluntarily left in order to serve his spiritual master better.
Regarding the uncut hair – actually sastra says that either hairs should be left uncut (not trimmed to style), or shaved. As followers of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, we generally keep our hair shaved because we are following the example he set, however there are days and months in which shaving is not appropriate as we should be austere during those times. One of Srila Prabhupada’s desires was to construct a red stone temple in Vrindaban. This request was misdirected by the devotees managing the project, and as we can see today the ISKCON Vrindaban temple is not made of red stone. Swamiji decided to fulfill this wish of his spiritual master, and during his construction of such a temple in Vrindaban, underwent additional austerities, including not cutting his hair. When the time came for him to cut it again, which he was prepared to do, his devotees begged him to leave it, because preferred him to look different from ISKCON sannyasis. So he chose to honor the wish of the devotees. Srila Prabhupada’s comments in this regard were directed towards American hippies, who chose to grow their hair long not as an austerity, but as a matter of style and lack of concern for cleanliness. Please try to understand the full context of things you quote.
Religion can lead to fanaticism and dogma, which is what I observe here. This is not Krishna Consciousness. It must be balanced with philosophical understanding, which on it’s own isn’t good either as this becomes speculation. There must be balance. Please take the time to try to deeply understand Srila Prabhupada and what he brought to us.
While within ISKCON, Swamiji published Ekadasi, the Day of Lord Hari. This book was widely respected and circulated within ISKCON. Some of the self-made gurus of the day did not like this as devotees were accepting it fully and following it’s instruction, but that is not because it’s content is imperfect in any way, it is simply due to the jealousy of bogus gurus.
I pray that Krishna forgives the offense that you have made to what I believe is his bonafide representative, as it is surely due to ignorance only. Please try to use care when the temptation comes to criticize – a vaisnava should not insult others in this way, especially one who may be a pure devotee. If you can find a way to meet Swamiji and put your questions to him directly, I implore you to do so. Every question you may have about his actions or character, he can conclusively answer, not with his own opinions or a quote taken out of context, but with scriptural reference. If you cannot or are unwilling to do so, then please keep reading and hearing sastra to the best of your ability.
Bhakta Casey : I have only known him for a few short weeks,
Mahesh: And—— you are ALREADY telling US Prabhupadanugas YOU can understand him better? Jolly good try! : )
Bhakta Casey :If you take some time to read through the books, you will find that there is nothing that is not in complete agreement with sastra
Mahesh: We do NOT want to read his books; Srila Prabhupada’s books are SUFFICIENT:
74-11-22. Letter: Bahurupa
In MY BOOKS the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained FULLY so if there is ANYTHING which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.
Bhakta Casey :One must take diksa from a living bonafide guru who can give us specific instruction as we require. This has always been the case and always will be — anyone else is cheating themselves.
Mahesh: yet—- ANOTHER ONE—- on a “has to be warm stool passing living guru trip”.
Bhakta Casey: Krsna Balaram Swami is the only person initiated by Srila Prabhupada who’s life and soul is to serve his guru and who also seems free from the defects that plague other so-called gurus. He is not on any “good as god” trip and is extremely humble.
Mahesh: Sooooooooooooooooooo humble that he put himself on the Parampara list of NUMBER 33 Acarya. LUNATIC or what?
Bhakta Casey: I likewise respect the valid and well-researched arguments that the ritvik side presents against the GBC guru systems, though they are also equally guilty of trying to invent something new.
Mahesh: “…invent something new”. THAT—- is JUST YOUR OWN CONCOCTION. You have read NOTHING and you have understood ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! So – here is a list for you to go thru— lets HOPE that SOMETHING will sink in:
“A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
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Mahesh Raja: Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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AS A SUDRA, HE CAN GET THE PERFECTION
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41992
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WHEN I order
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm
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Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2302.htm
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Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-07/editorials2223.htm
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Ritvik – **Representative**
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-07/editorials2084.htm
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Ritvik System Is Bonafide
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-09/editorials4085.htm
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Formalities
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-08/editorials3324.htm
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Brahmana (Kanistha)
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-09/editorials4258.htm
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The rescuer must be liberated
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2330.htm
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Tattva-darsinah
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2433.htm
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He is not a liberated person
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-08/editorials2491.htm
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The Case for Blind Uttama Adhikaris
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-10/editorials6158.htm
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“under my order: guru hana – become a spiritual master”
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40622#more-40622
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Jesus Christ Predicts Appearance of Srila Prabhupada
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-10/editorials6258.htm
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Srila Prabhupada in Absentia BY: KURMA DASA (NOT THE CHEF)
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5991.htm
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Disciplic Succession
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2628.htm
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Satyam – Truthfulness
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-10/editorials6526.htm
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Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2673.htm
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We Don’t Allow Any Literature Not Given by Liberated Soul
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-08/editorials2819.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
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Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
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Was Sridhara Maharaja a bonafide guru?
http://www.iskcontimes.com/was-sridhara-maharaja-bona-fide-guru
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Sridhara Maharaja – EXPOSED
http://iskcontimes.com/sridhara-maharaja-exposed
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Conditioned soul Sridhara Maharaja Vs Srila Prabhupada the Mahabhagavata
http://iskcontimes.com/conditioned-soul-sridhara-maharaja-vs-srila-prabhupada-mahabhagavata
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Exposing Gaudiya Math Twister: Sankarshana dasa (Bhakta Suria)
http://iskcontimes.com/exposing-gaudiya-math-twister
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Bhakta Raj Defeats Ajamila
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-10/editorials6568.htm
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Monitor does NOT give Diksa
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41025#more-41025
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The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://iskcontimes.com/meaning-niyamagraha-terms-emergency
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A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY
http://www.iskcontimes.com/sometimes-given-chance-to-play
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Reply to Rocana Dasa on his COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING of BOTH the Guru and Ritvik Issue
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41135#more-41135
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Bhakti Vikasa Interpolation Vs the Truth
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti%20vikasa-interpolation-vs-the-truth
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Bhakti Vikasa is a SAHAJIYA
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti-vikasa-is-a-SAHAJIYA
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Reply to Nimai Pandit Prabhu and Rocana das
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=34065
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CON Trick from the Bogus GBC
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=34797#more-34797
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Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here or
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
And for Individual highlighted louder version of the whole CD , please go to
http://www.culturedbooks.com/audio/audio-address.html
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Hearing: The Real Tradition ( by Vidura Prabhu)
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/?p=37198
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Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
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Defeat of Anti Ritvik “Tradition Argument “
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38959#comment-24845
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Where is the order from Srila Prabhupada?
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/doar.html
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Unauthorized book changes
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=39381#more-3938
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Duysanta Muddle Continues
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/dusyanta-muddle-continues-reply-by.html
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Are ISKCON’s bogus Gurus aware of their deviations and why don’t they fear Krishna’s punishment?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40208#more-40208
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Srila Prabhupada Omniscient ?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40259#comment-25169
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Why did Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura reject Bipin Bihari Goswami?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40259#comment-25182
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Dravida das’s CON Trick to support Jayadvaita’s REWRITING Srila Prabhupada’s books
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40405#more-40405
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Jayadvaita’s greatest perversion: changing books to support “pseudo devotees”
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41145#more-41145
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Heresies of GBC’s Guru System
GBC vs. Srila Prabhupada
By: Vikramasingha Das
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/heresies-of-gbcs-guru-system.html
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Devotees will be interested in this:
Srila Prabhupada books searches:
http://prabhupadabooks.com/
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Niamagraha in terms of Emergency Ritvik Initiations
http://iskcontimes.com/meaning-niyamagraha-terms-emergency
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Process of 1st and 2nd Initiations in ISKCON
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40917
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WE DON’T ALLOW ANY LITERATURE WHICH IS NOT GIVEN BY LIBERATED SOUL.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41793#more-41793
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Some nice Srila Prabhupada download sites for Original Books, Audio, Video etc:
http://www.krishnapath.org/free-ebooks-audiobooks-of-srila-prabhupada/
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This is one of the OLD original folios works on ALL windows in BIG screen. Easy to use :
http://krishna.org/ms-dos-prabhupada-vedabase-folio-views/
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This is VERY good for the price!!! Srila Prabhupada’s mp3 set of all audio lectures, conversations etc:
http://krishnastore.co.uk/srila-prabhupada-mp3-audio-library-now-on-dvds-h-krishna-404.html
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Srila Prabhupada 1977 Audio release:
http://www.prabhupadavani.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=79&Itemid=173
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Srila Prabhupada Mp3 Downloads:
http://causelessmercy.com/?P=_PrabhupadasMP3Links1d&CS=4
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“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Well I think it’s pretty clear from the tone of the comments what’s what; if you don’t want to listen to logic then there’s nothing more worth me spending my time saying to you. You seem to have steeped your mind too long and deeply in concoction to hear anything else, and unless by some miracle your false ego is able to subside I don’t think there’s much hope in spiritual life for you. Swamiji would like for you to talk to him, though I doubt that you are willing to. He is in the USA at present and can be reached at 443-296-7785. Or you may visit, or he can visit you. If you really believe you have so much right intelligence then put it to the test. But if you had that much intelligence you might see the irony of a concocted name like “Mahesh Raja” before deciding to call yourself that.
One point of clarification in case anybody cares, which I neglected to comment on before – the argument about Raksabandhan. They do not observe this holiday (in agreement with Srila Prabhupada), but the calendar is used by many Indians who know it as a point of reference. Ultimately, though I wish everyone could attain Krishna in this very lifetime, I don’t care what you or anyone else decides for yourself to believe. But please try to have respect for, or at least not blatantly blaspheme, others who have done no wrong and have devoted their entire lives to serving Krishna.
Anyways I have nothing more to say, hare krishna.
Bhakta Casey;
In a nutshell, what Maheshji is saying is that Srila Prabhupada never authorized anyone to succeed him as initiating guru.
I’m sure your “Swamiji” will be knowing about the reward also
http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/documents/reward.htm
To date no claimants.
Ever wondered why?
In this light, surely your own use of adjectives is a bit dramatic?
Bhakta Casey writes ; ” One must take diksa from a living bonafide guru who can give us specific instruction as we require. This has always been the case and always will be — anyone else is cheating themselves. We can take instruction from the writings left to us by previous acaryas, but that is not diksa. Unfortunately, many if not all initiating gurus within ISKCON are bogus. We can see this easily from their actions and mentality, after consulting sastra. Some have fallen in much worse ways than others, but selfishness and dishonesty are rampant. Even the best I have seen do not follow scriptural injunctions correctly. Krsna Balaram Swami is the only person initiated by Srila Prabhupada who’s life and soul is to serve his guru and who also seems free from the defects that plague other so-called gurus. He is not on any “good as god” trip and is extremely humble. ”
From the above comments of Bhakta Casey about Krsna Balaram Swami – a self made guru himself who is desirous to serve his guru and who is also free from all desires as Bhakta Casey understands and believes in Krsna Balaram Swami to be a bona fide guru in the Iskcon Institution established by HDG. Srila Prabhupada, it clearly appears that Krsna Balaram Swami is certainly full of desirous to become a Diksha guru in order to accept his own disciples in the Iskcon Institution in which Srila Prabhupada has not authorized any of his disciples as a SUCCESSOR to accept ones’ own disciples in Srila Prabhupada’s Iskcon.
This is clearly violation of the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Isn’t it, Bhakata Casey ?
Therefore, Krsna Balaram Swami is a THIEF. Isn’t it ?
How this KBS can be a bona fide guru who is disobeying the Instructions of his Guru Maharaja ?
I am sure that you are wise enough, Bhakta Casey, to verify all the facts before you speak for some one like KBS who is a conditioned Jiva disobeying his Guru Maharaja Instructions.
You must follow Srila Prabhupada because Srila Prabhupada is present in His VANI being the present Acaraya in the Iskcon Institution as we, the Prabhupadanuga, do.
Should KBS sincerely wish to serve Srila Prabhupada as you mentioned, then, he must follow Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions and bring the new Initiate to Srila Prabhupada as He desires from all of his sincere followers.
Otherwise, KBS should start his own Institution with different name. There is no problem for that.
Hope it meets you well.
Hare Krishna Bhakta Joe,
Can you produce any such document from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati authorizing Srila Prabhupada to become guru? Can you produce any evidence where Prabhupada said, “I authorize ritvik initiations to continue after my departure”?
The reward is something I’m quite sure Krsna Balaram Swami does NOT know about, unless a disciple or inquiring person happened to share it with him – he spends his time dedicated to service of Krsna, not browsing the internet. He is not as ISKCON guru, was never an ISKCON guru, and since the late 80’s has nothing to do with ISKCON, other than agreeing with many of the points you raise against them.
I will wholeheartedly agree that the 11 gurus who took over ISKCON following Prabhupada’s departure were completely unauthorized, and that this action was very detrimental to their spiritual lives and so many others. For that matter, many other people acting as gurus in ISKCON today I also do not believe to be authorized. Maybe some are, but I’m not sure.
In any case, the confusion/disagreement seems to be in regard to how authorization happens. I’ll refer you to this conversation which you’ve probably already seen: http://iskcontimes.com/brief-history-of-guru-hoax-in-iskcon
How and when a guru orders his disciple to become guru is a confidential subject, and is never a public matter which makes documented proof available. I do not wish to speculate, but I suspect it may be possible for this order to happen after a guru’s disappearance, as the guru-disciple relationship is eternal. In any case, Prabhupada said he was authorized, refused to share how/when that authorization came, and it was clear from his words and actions that indeed he was authorized.
My opinion is that the same is true of Krsna Balaram Swami, however as I admit above I have not known him long enough to say that with absolute conviction. While I would like for others’ sake that they would make this same investigation as I am, as it seems that there is something very real here, I do not wish to push that agenda. Nor am I trying to start a big argument over post-departure ritvik initiations being valid though my personal belief is that they are not. Rather, my only purpose was to answer criticisms of things that I had insight into, and to request that we don’t slander those who may be bonafide gurus, as that is against vaisnava etiquette and spiritual life.
I am simply a fallen soul and so my words are not perfect, particularly when responding to immature/criticizing remarks, but my request is simply consideration to this matter. If we believe others are wrong or detrimental to our spiritual lives, we should neglect them, or confront them directly, not slander to others without any direct experience.
Hare Krishna.
Bhakta Casey:In any case, the confusion/disagreement seems to be in regard to how authorization happens. I’ll refer you to this conversation which you’ve probably already seen: http://iskcontimes.com/brief-history-of-guru-hoax-in-iskcon
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada’s authorization was RITVIK nothing more: Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
Bhakta Casey:Can you produce any such document from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati authorizing Srila Prabhupada to become guru?
Mahesh: Not required. Srila Prabhupada is the SELF EFFULGENT acarya:WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYA, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM.
Bhakta Casey: Can you produce any evidence where Prabhupada said, “I authorize ritvik initiations to continue after my departure”?
Mahesh: Satsvarupa’s question was AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER WITH US. And Srila Prabhupada’s FINAL CLARIFICATION ANSWER was Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
Bhakta Casey:Can you produce any such document from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati authorizing Srila Prabhupada to become guru?
The point here is that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati did not decree that such a document is required.
To be certain that an order is actually from Srila Prabhupada, we can rely only on evidence which can be authenticated as directly coming from Srila Prabhupada, “in writing”.
As Krishna Balarama Swami considers himself a disciple of Prabhupada.
May we ask you what authorization Krishna Balarama Swami received?
Amar Puri,
You said, “Otherwise, KBS should start his own Institution with different name. There is no problem for that.”
That is exactly what he has done. He has not been a part of ISKCON since the GBC voted him out in 1988/1989, primarily due to Hrdayananda and the other early ISKCON gurus feeling that his position as guru was being threatened by him. His institution is Bhagavat Darmha Samaj, not ISKCON. He never acted as guru while within ISKCON.
Hare Krishna
Bhakta Joe says: ” May we ask you what authorization Krishna Balarama Swami received? ”
He got no authorization from his Gurumaharaj Srila Prabhupada because Srila Prabhupada never authorized anyone of His disciples to become His SUCCESSOR period.
So what kind of a proof of authorization you are asking from Bhakta Casey about his guru KBS who has violated clearly the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada to become a self made guru himself ?
Therefore, Krsna Balaram Swami is a THIEF because he is exploiting Srila Prabhupada’s name to obtain his personal glory, Labha, Puja and Prathistha. Isn’t it ?
Bhakta Casey confirms that he has started his own institution under the name and style of Bhagavat Darmha Samaj in which Bhakta Casey is the spoke person for him as it appears so.
So Bhakta Casey goes to KBS and accept him as his bonafide guru.
Now a wise person like Bhakta Case should ask as to how this KBS can be a bona fide guru who is disobeying the Instructions of his own Guru Maharaja ?
But unfortunately Bhakta Casey is not interested in asking and inquiring about it but simply protects and promotes KBS as a bona fide authorized guru vigorously.
Why ?
Perhaps, Bhakta Casey has his very own vested personal interest and motive like KBS to gain from it.
It is that simple.
Is it not TRUE, Bhakta Casey ?
As I commented in my earlier post ;
” Should KBS sincerely wish to serve Srila Prabhupada as you mentioned, then, he must follow Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions and bring the new Initiate to Srila Prabhupada as He desires from all of his sincere followers.”
Alas ! KBS is not interested in following his Gurumaharaja Instructions. Thus, Bhakta Casey is lying when he says that KBS is simply desirous to serve Srila Prabhupada. So, why KBS is not serving as Srila Prabhupada desires from his sincere followers ?
Is KBS sincere ? NO.
Isn’t Bhakta Casey lying in this public forum about KBS ?
Therefore, both are LIAR and indeed simply proven a THIEF.
Isn’t it Bhakta Casey ?
Does It not mean that Bhakta Casey you are also a THIEF ?
A Thief following a Thief is known as Thief.
Isn’t it ?
My humble request to you, Bhakta Casey, is that please stop playing this game and become serious and sincere simply to protect and promote Srila Prabhupada’s VANI to make your life sublime in KC.
Hope it finds you satisfactory.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
“Perhaps, Bhakta Casey has his very own vested personal interest and motive like KBS to gain from it.
It is that simple.
Is it not TRUE, Bhakta Casey ?”
No, but it your purely speculative arguments sure made me laugh! If you can read my words and believe that I have some selfish motive or am not speaking what I firmly believe to be the truth and am playing some game, that is pretty astonishing, but so be it. If you knew KBS at all, you would understand how utterly ridiculous claims like “KBS is not interested in following his Gurumaharaja Instructions” or claims of insincerity are, but I don’t think you are interested in any such honest investigation. If you are, I have said all that is needed already, so do as you like. I will not post here again as it would just be beating a dead horse.
Best of luck, hare krishna.
Bhakta Casey ; you have not presented any of the truth by not answering any of my questions regarding your very own bona fide KBS guru to whom you believe in him that KBS is following exactly like his Gurumaharaja accepting his own disciples without any authorization coming from his Gurumaharaja Srila Prabhupada.
Giving me the benefit of doubts that you have no personal vested interest in KBS, then, why and what are you afraid of and /or ashamed of not answering the questions I put forth to you ?
You may post or not in reply to my questions, that is your free will to do so as you please.
However, please do not protect and promote some one as genuine when he is NOT simply to mislead people.
Be honest to yourself and stand up for the TRUTH.
Hope you read this message carefully and take it up to your guru KBS having the courage to tell him that KBS ji stop accepting disciples for yourself and start following Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions to bring the new disciples such as yourself to Srila Prabhupada as He instructs so.
By starting a new institution does not give KBS any spiritual power to accept his very own disciples or does it ?
Does KBS not understand when he glorify Srila Prabhupada Guru Vandana ;
” guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ar no koriho mane asa …….. ”
So why your guru KBS having an ” asa ” to accept his own disciples ?
These are the simple questions you must ask KBS and if he does not give you any answer, kick him out and take shelter of the Lotus Feet of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and His VANI.
Hope you do that and be courageous to stand up for the TRUTH.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Bhakta Casey ; Please show him and let your guru KBS read the following conversation ;
750509rc.per Conversations
Prabhupada: So, when you change, then the authority is lost. Just like in our society, sometimes they do something nonsense and they say, “Prabhupada said.” (laughter) They are doing that. We know that. It is deteriorated like that.
Ganesa: Srila Prabhupada, if the knowledge was handed down by the saintly kings,
” evam parampara-praptam,” how is it that the knowledge was lost?
Prabhupada: When it was not handed down. Simply understood by speculation. Or if it is not handed down as it is. They might have made some changes. Or they did not hand it down. Suppose I handed it down to you, but if you do not do that, then it is lost. Now the Krsna consciousness movement is going on in my presence. Now after my departure, if you do not do this, then it is lost. If you go on as you are doing now, then it will go on. But if you stop… (end).
Bhakta Casey, you must ask your guru KBS what kind of a ” parampara ” is he establishing by becoming a self made guru and accepting his own disciple like yourself ?
I hope you do get out of your sentiments and help your guru KBS by asking these questions so that he may come to his senses and begin to serve the mission of His Guru Maharaja Srila Prabhupada as He asks to His sincere disciples.
Become the instrumental by standing up for the TRUTH and save not only to yourself but also to your so called guru in illusion to bring him back to Srila Prabhupada.
That is the greatest service you can do.
It is your call and opportunity to do so, Bhakta Casey. Hope you do that.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
In the same way that Maya has deceived the world into thinking that the big bang is the complete and whole explanation of creation by using agents of Kailyuga in the form of modern scientists to propagate their speculations, similarly Maya has deceived ISKCON into thinking that my Spiritual Master Srila Swamiji is not in the lines with the teachings of His Guru Srila Prabhupada using the agents of Kaliyuga in the form of GBC Gurus to propagate their speculations. ISKCON has manufactured so many false texts and false audio recordings to propagate their speculations. It is impossible to find a single UNALTERED book of Srila Prabhupada anymore. As the sincere soul above said, if you really think you are right, then why not come and meet Swamiji face to face and actually see what Swamiji is like? Anyone who has sufficient merits from previous lives can easily tell that Srila Prabhupada and Srila Swamiji are equally effective at preaching, which is the 1000% legitimate proof that Srila Swamiji is a representative of Lord Sri Krsna. There is simply no one in modern day ISKCON who can preach like Srila Prabhupada did, or Srila Swamiji does, and that is a fact. But the ignorant will hide in the dark like a mushroom in a log, without coming into the sun to meet the sun like Spiritual Master, because they are so ignorant they don’t want to see the sun shine.
About the unaltered books, the only unaltered books that Srila Prabhupada ever published were the Srimad Bhagavatams that He brought from India to the USA when starting Krishna consciousness in the west. Those have all been destroyed by ISKCON authorities, and the newer versions of those books that are apparently the originals that he brought over from India, are not the real ones. The proof is all in the original Sanskrit text of the Vedic scriptures and the mouth of my Guru, who has the preaching power of Srila Prabhupada. If ISKCON were correct about what they say Srila Prabhupada teaches, then Srila Prabhupada’s teachings would be against the teachings of the ancient Vedic scriptures. Swamiji knows that this is not true, he is a self realized Guru who knows the scriptures and his Guru better than anyone in ISKCON, so he knows his Guru is authentic and did not deviate from the scriptures and that ISKCON is not teaching what Srila Prabhupada intended to teach. Swamiji grew up in a household that spoke Sanskrit, the language of the scriptures, fluently as a first language, and he was further expertly trained in a very advanced Gurukul in Vrindavan, so he knows what the scriptures say without having to read any English, Hindi, Bengali, or other worldly language. Whereas even the most learned in Sanskrit in ISKCON have at best a very elementary understanding of Sanskrit, considering how complex it is to understand Sanskrit in truth. Swamiji has copies of many Sanskrit texts to prove that everyone in ISKCON is following an altered version of the authentic path, because without taking initiation from an authentic Guru, one cannot be following the original version of the authentic path. Ritvik initiation also cannot be taken from a departed Guru, so that is not correct either. A real dollar bill will buy you what you want (the spiritual world), but a phony dollar bill will end you up in jail (hell).
If it were true that Guru must be appointed by Guru (which in truth is simply a concocted speculation of ISKCON), then no one in ISKCON would be a Guru, because Srila Prabhupada did not appoint anyone to be Guru after his departure formally. Srila Prabhupada did used to call Swamiji Guru (meaning that Swamiji is qualified to be Srila Prabhupada’s successor), but Srila Prabhupada left it to Swamiji to reveal that he is Guru, because as Swamiji says Guru is always Guru and is never appointed at Guru, he is Guru for his entire life. And no one can accept a departed Guru as their initiating Spiritual Master, that is a rule of devotional life. So if it were true that Guru had to be appointed, then NO ONE in ISKCON would have bona-fide initiation except those who were initiated by Srila Prabhupada when he was alive.
Jagadish das: It is impossible to find a single UNALTERED book of Srila Prabhupada anymore.
Mahesh: More EXCUSES to JUSTIFY the bogus guru you have. Just read the ORIGINALS here:
Some nice Srila Prabhupada download sites for Original Books, Audio, Video etc:
http://www.krishnapath.org/free-ebooks-audiobooks-of-srila-prabhupada/
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This is one of the OLD original folios works on ALL windows in BIG screen. Easy to use :
http://krishna.org/ms-dos-prabhupada-vedabase-folio-views/
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Here you will find Mp3s Srila Prabhupada’s classes, Lectures, Morning Walks etc:
http://krishnastore.co.uk/high-quality-prabhupada-mp3-audio-library-usb-stick-h-krishna-3226.html
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Instead of offering LAME EXCUSES come to THE POINT: WHERE is your Swamijis AUTHORIZATION FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA that he is Diksa Guru as Bhakta Joe has stated:
“…just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” ”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 7/11/1972)
“They misunderstand me. Unless it is there from me in writing, there are so many things that “Prabhupada said.” ”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/9/1975)
To be certain that an order is actually from Srila Prabhupada, we can rely only on evidence which can be authenticated as directly coming from Srila Prabhupada, “in writing”.
As Krishna Balarama Swami considers himself a disciple of Prabhupada.
“Disciple means there is no argument. Whatever the guru will say, you have to accept. That is disciple. That is final. There is no argument.”
(Srila Prabhupada conversation 28.6.76)
May we ask you what authorization Krishna Balarama Swami received?
Wow ………… Jagadish das ……… what kind of an ignorant person are you ?
What kind of a quality of the mode of nature were you when you wrote such ignorant comments which reads ;
” So if it were true that Guru had to be appointed, then NO ONE in ISKCON would have bona-fide initiation except those who were initiated by Srila Prabhupada when he was alive. ”
Do you know that majority of Srila Prabhupada disciples during his manifested lila were initiated by the Ritvik system of Initiation ?
Was this guru of your KBS initiated by Srila Prabhupada personally or by the Ritvik system of Initiation ?
If he was personally initiated by Srila Prabhupada, then, ask KBS your guru that Guruji was Ritvik system valid when Srila Prabhupada remained absent for the Initiation of his disciples world wide ?
Like your other spoke person Bhakta Casey, both of you need to ask these questions to your Swamiji, if you are sincere, and bring the answer to the questions I put forth to both of you on this public forum.
It is even better if you ask your guru KBS to answer these questions himself personally and post it on this public forum as his Gurumaharaja Srila Prabhupada used to do it.
I hope you do take this message, Jagadish das Prabhu, to your guru KBS ji for the right answer because you remain in the strong mixture of the mode of material nature as it seems from your comments.
Look forward to hear further from you.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Just a quick question Jagadisa das Prabhu,
you wrote: “Swamiji knows that this is not true, he is a self realized Guru who knows the scriptures and his Guru better than anyone in ISKCON,”
Umm, how do you know this? Are you a self-realized soul? Have you read the hearts of all ISKCON men to be certain your claim is correct? If not, then how could you possibly know the statement you make is actually true? Speaking about Gandhi’s big title Srila Prabhupada once said, anyone can give someone a title like Mahatma, that is easy. But to provide concrete proof to back up a claim such as yours, well now that may be a little more difficult. In the past I have heard so many Iskcon disciples TELLING US their Guru’s were all pure – much the same as you are doing now – when actually they didn’t have a clue. I think it’s nice that you have some sentiment for your Guru, but sentiment can also get someone cheated badly, as has been the very real experience of many of the Iskcon disciples mentioned above. As a Vaisnava you can base your arguments on Guru, Saddhu and Sastra, I think that would be better and more believable. However it might be difficult to expect people to believe you just because you say it’s true. Proof please Prabhu.
I said:
” So if it were true that Guru had to be appointed, then NO ONE in ISKCON would have bona-fide initiation except those who were initiated by Srila Prabhupada when he was alive. ”
Response:
Do you know that majority of Srila Prabhupada disciples during his manifested lila were initiated by the Ritvik system of Initiation ?
My response:
Yes. When I said initiated by Srila Prabhupada, I meant either initiated by him, or initiated by him through ritvik. But ritvik initiation cannot be taken from a departed Guru. So my statement holds true.
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I wrote: “Swamiji knows that this is not true, he is a self realized Guru who knows the scriptures and his Guru better than anyone in ISKCON,”
RESPONSE:
Umm, how do you know this? Are you a self-realized soul? Have you read the hearts of all ISKCON men to be certain your claim is correct? If not, then how could you possibly know the statement you make is actually true? Speaking about Gandhi’s big title Srila Prabhupada once said, anyone can give someone a title like Mahatma, that is easy. But to provide concrete proof to back up a claim such as yours, well now that may be a little more difficult. In the past I have heard so many Iskcon disciples TELLING US their Guru’s were all pure — much the same as you are doing now — when actually they didn’t have a clue. I think it’s nice that you have some sentiment for your Guru, but sentiment can also get someone cheated badly, as has been the very real experience of many of the Iskcon disciples mentioned above. As a Vaisnava you can base your arguments on Guru, Saddhu and Sastra, I think that would be better and more believable. However it might be difficult to expect people to believe you just because you say it’s true. Proof please Prabhu.
My response:
I agree completely with what Srila Prabhupada said about Gandhi. Swamiji says that Gandhi was a politician, not a devotee. But Swamiji is a pure Vaisnava. So comparing my Guru to Gandhi is offensive on your part, although I know you don’t realize it. I am sure my Guru is self realized, but I cannot explain it to you in words, because even if I did you would keep arguing with me and not understand. I realize that sentiment can get a person cheated badly. You are telling me high school knowledge when you have not graduated kindergarden and Swamiji’s followers are at the college platform of spiritual life. I am not a sentimentalist. The proof is in my life and my experiences and the experiences of many other devotees who know him and how my Guru has opened my eyes and how he has opened so many people’s eyes who have come in contact with him. The proof is also in the Vedic scriptures. If you really want proof, meet my Guru in person, but unless a person has sufficient merits from previous lives, they will not be able to recognize an authentic Guru no matter how much proof is provided. This forum is a waste of time. I do not like to argue. It is no wonder this is called the age of quarrel and hypocricy, because there sure are a lot of devotees quarreling on this forum, as well as many others. I am ashamed that Kaliyuga has even affected me in this way but I can’t help but be blunt because I feel a need to defend my Guru’s name, which has been slandered by so many people in ISKCON because they are all jealous because he can preach better than any of them and he is purer than any of them.
When you ask for concrete proof, even though you are a devotee of Krishna, your mentality still reminds me of scientists who would say that all scientific evidence would disprove all the scriptures of the world, including the Vedic scriptures. Proof on spiritual life can only be experienced, it cannot be shared with others unless others have the karma to experience it or understand it upon hearing it. Just as you cannot prove to a staunch atheist materialistic scientist that Krishna is God, similarly I cannot prove to you that my Guru is self realized. There is scriptural proof for these things, and I could give you proof that my Guru is self-realized, but it is your duty to meet my Guru and get that proof, because that is your only chance at even getting a tiny glimmer of truth on these issues.
By the way, if anyone asks for scriptural evidence, consider this… Someone can easily say “Srila Prabhupada said” and that is accepted as evidence. Similarly, because I understand that my Guru is self realized I do not need to check my Guru’s statements with the scriptures anymore because I have already gone through the testing period to determine that my Guru is genuine and he passed the litmus test. So I do not have any scriptural quotes on hand to substantiate what I said, because I know my Guru’s words are all in line with the scriptures. If you want the scriptural evidence for anything I wrote, please see my Guru in person and he will provide it, and don’t complain to me that I’m not providing it if you won’t take the time to meet him in person.
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I hope you do take this message, Jagadish das Prabhu, to your guru KBS ji for the right answer because you remain in the strong mixture of the mode of material nature as it seems from your comments.
My response:
internet communications is impersonal and ineffective. Swamiji says it is a waste of time for me to argue with ISKCON people. He will welcome any sincere soul who comes to him, whether coming from ISKCON or not, but ISKCON has totally degraded to the maximum since Srila Prabhupada left this world, that is why Swamiji tells me not to waste time with ISKCON people. An intelligent person, after spending so much time in ISKCON will understand this. An intelligent sincere soul will understand that taking ritvik from a departed Guru doesn’t make any sense, that the chain of disciplic succession doesn’t end with one person who is the initiating Guru for the world from then on. But due to the influence of Kaliyuga, there aren’t that many intelligent sincere souls on earth.
As opposed to arguing on this forum, the only thing which will be beneficial is for someone to see Swamiji face to face, because that will cut the tie to this material world for that person. Even if I posted Swamiji’s words here, people would argue back and it would make no difference because everyone would be staring at their computer in a bitter mood without seeing and hearing him personally, which is actually uplifting to the soul, and not degrading to the soul like arguing and committing offenses at the feet of a pure devotee.
Yes, I am influenced by the modes of material nature, but so is everyone on this forum.
And about Srila Prabhupada talking about
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Note: here his Calander includes Raksabandhan day:
Aug 10 — Sun — Purnima (full moon day — the Lord’s swing festival ends on this day), Raksabandhan day,
Raskhee can only be tied after 13:06 Indian time
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Note: this just shows HOW this Krsna Balarama “swamiji” CONTRADICTS Srila Prabhupada:
68-03-26. Letter: Mukunda
I am very glad that you are repentant even for some action which is not sanctioned by me. This attitude is very nice and improves one in progressing on the path of devotional service. THE RAKHI BANDHAN CEREMONY OBSERVED BY YOU UNDER INSTRUCTION OF PRASAD ISN’T APPROVED BY OUR VAISNAVA RITUALS. OF COURSE, SUCH CEREMONY IS OBSERVED AMONG THE HINDU COMMUNITY AS A SOCIO-RELIGIOUS CONVENTION. BUT IN OUR VAISNAVA COMMUNITY THERE IS NO SUCH OBSERVANCE. NOW, FORGET THE INCIDENCE, AND IN FUTURE DON’T BE MISLED BY SOME UNAUTHORIZED PERSON.
As far as people on this forum are asking for proof, where is the proof that this letter was even written by Srila Prabhupada? It is well known to Swamiji’s followers that all the major leaders of ISKCON try to destroy Swamiji’s chance at attracting followers in any way they can. He has even had attempts on his life by these agents of Kaliyuga trying to kill him because they are so filled with hatred. It is no secret that ISKCON wants to bring Swamiji down, and after reading this forum, I am starting to be strongly convinced that even GBC leaders are posing to be of the “departed Ritvik” line of thinking in order to sound more substantiated in bringing down Swamiji. Two heads of the same demon. It is up to the sincere souls in ISKCON to understand that I’m not saying this out of hatred, but I’m saying this to warn sincere people to not get eaten by the demon!
Swamiji IS a Vaisnava. Hinduism is just a word that the Persians gave to those following Sanatana Dharma when they invaded India. Some of those people actually had scripturally authentic Gurus. “Hinduism” is just a wrong word for Sanatana Dharma. Sanatana Dharma has been diluted more and more as Kaliyuga went on, obviously. Just as ISKCON has degraded more and more as Kaliyuga progressed. So the “Hinduism” of today does not reflect the original Sanatana Dharma.That is why Srila Prabhupada rejected the word Hinduism. And neither is the ISKCON of today the original ISKCON. Swamiji’s organization, Bhagavat Dharma Samaj, is the REAL ISKCON. Swamiji does not call himself a Hindu because he knows it is a term manufactured by colonialists for those who follow Sanatana Dharma. Still, ISKCON loves to call Swamiji a “Hindu” because they think that this is some kind of huge insult, they think it will make him look like a “religionist”. People just go by hearsay without ever meeting Swamiji in person. If such people actually met Swamiji in person and talked to him for a few hours, they would actually come to understand that what Swamiji is teaching is in line with the Sastras – whether they want to admit it openly, well, that’s another question. When I say I am not a religionist, I mean my faith is not blind, but based on experience and realizations. But when people blinded by ISKCON propaganda say they are not religious, I guess they are correct, in the sense that they don’t follow the Vedic scriptures and they don’t even care to.
Mahesh:Note: this just shows HOW this Krsna Balarama “swamiji” CONTRADICTS Srila Prabhupada:
68-03-26. Letter: Mukunda
I am very glad that you are repentant even for some action which is not sanctioned by me. This attitude is very nice and improves one in progressing on the path of devotional service. THE RAKHI BANDHAN CEREMONY OBSERVED BY YOU UNDER INSTRUCTION OF PRASAD ISN’T APPROVED BY OUR VAISNAVA RITUALS. OF COURSE, SUCH CEREMONY IS OBSERVED AMONG THE HINDU COMMUNITY AS A SOCIO-RELIGIOUS CONVENTION. BUT IN OUR VAISNAVA COMMUNITY THERE IS NO SUCH OBSERVANCE. NOW, FORGET THE INCIDENCE, AND IN FUTURE DON’T BE MISLED BY SOME UNAUTHORIZED PERSON.
Jagadish das:As far as people on this forum are asking for proof, where is the proof that this letter was even written by Srila Prabhupada?
Mahesh: You are trying to juggle out. Srila Prabhupada’s letters are with Bhaktivendanta Archives with his signatures. Your so called guru with long hair bearded(to attract women?) CONDITIONED SOUL is NOT a disciple of Srila Prabhupada:
THE REASON THAT ONE WITH LONG HAIR IS NOT MY DISCIPLE IS BECAUSE HE IS AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE.
Letters : 1976 Correspondence : July : Letter to: Dhrstaketu — New York 17 July, 1976 : 76-07-17 :
Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. THE REASON THAT ONE WITH LONG HAIR IS NOT MY DISCIPLE IS BECAUSE HE IS AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can’t compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can’t eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. That is not always that they kept beard.
Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures : Canto 5: Lectures : SB 5.6: Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.3 — Vrndavana, November 25, 1976 : 761125SB.VRN :
Now for our practical life we are known all over the world as shaven-headed. Is it not? Now we are becoming hair-headed. We are forgetting shaving because there is little leniency. Immediately faulty things are creeping in. SO WE SHOULD BE KNOWN AS SHAVEN-HEADED, NOT LONG-HAIR-HEADED. THIS IS DISCREPANCY. AT LEAST ONCE IN A MONTH YOU MUST BE CLEARLY SHAVEN-HEADED. IN THE BRIGHT FORTNIGHT ON THE DAY OF PŪRṆIMĀ, FOUR DAYS AFTER EKĀDAŚĪ, ONCE IN A MONTH IN THE BRIGHT FORTNIGHT, YOU MUST BE SHAVED. It is not desirable that in grown-up ages also you should be chastised. That is not desirable. That is also difficult, because when the disciple or the son is grown up, if he is chastised, then he breaks. So before being chastised, you…, we should be conscious that “This is our rules and regulation. We must observe.” Therefore it is advised by Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, prāpte tu ṣoḍaśe varṣe putraṁ mitra-vad ācaret: “After sixteenth year of the disciple or the son, he should be treated as friend.” Because if you chastise when he’s grown-up, then he’ll break up. That is also another risk. So our request is that instead of chastising, with folded hands I request you, don’t you become hippies again by growing hair. Keep your head cleansed at least once in a month. That is my request. Neither I can chastise you. I am also old man; you are young men.
Madhya 20.70 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science
The words bhadra karana are significant in this verse. Due to his long hair, moustache and beard, Sanatana Gosvami looked like a daravesa, or hippie. Since Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not like Sanatana Gosvami’s hippie features, he immediately asked Candrasekhara to get him shaved clean. IF ANYONE WITH LONG HAIR OR A BEARD WANTS TO JOIN THIS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT AND LIVE WITH US, HE MUST SIMILARLY SHAVE HIMSELF CLEAN. The followers of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu consider long hair objectionable.
750623mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: That’s all. So what is the difference between man and dog? The dog is also seeing another she-dog–the most beautiful creation of God. The ass is also seeing the she-ass–most beautiful creation. So what is the difference between ass and dog and this? And a devotee says,
yad-avadhi mama cetah krsna-padaravindayor
nava-nava-(rasa-)dhaman(y udyatam) rantum asit
tad-avadhi bata nari-sangame (smaryamane)
bhavati mukha-vikarah susthu nisthivanam (ca)
So long I have become devotee, since then, as soon as I think of sex, I spite on it.” This is devotee. (break) …whole world is going on simply by this perverted vision: the woman is very beautiful for the man and the man is very beautiful to the woman. This is the knot, hrdaya-granthi. Otherwise how they will work? Reciprocally, they are seeing beautiful. SOMETIMES THE WOMEN LIKE BIG, BIG BEARD. YES, THEY LIKE. AND THEY KEEP. THE MOHAMMEDANS, THEY SAY, “WE KEEP BEARD. WOMEN LIKE IT.” THEY DON’T WANT THIS SHAVEN HEADED. Huh? What is your experience? (laughter)
Dear Jagadisa Prabhu,
You wrote:
“I agree completely with what Srila Prabhupada said about Gandhi. Swamiji says that Gandhi was a politician, not a devotee. But Swamiji is a pure Vaisnava. So comparing my Guru to Gandhi is offensive on your part, although I know you don’t realize it.”
I’m sorry but you are completely wrong here. I was not comparing your Guru to anyone! I was citing Srila Prabhupada’s example that we can give anyone a title but that does not mean it should automatically be accepted as fact. Srila Prabhupada used Ghandi as an example. In the same lecture he also mentions a boy who was blind but whose mother called him ‘lotus eyed one’,… out of sentiment she gave him a false title. By giving that example it does not mean I am calling your Guru either a mother nor blind. You have concocted that comparison with Gandhi within your own mind as I know I had not even thought of that until I read it from you.
“I am sure my Guru is self realized, but I cannot explain it to you in words, because even if I did you would keep arguing with me and not understand.”
Again this is a speculation. You have no idea what I may or may not accept based on a reasonable presentation from you. Why are you trying to discredit me by making it sound like I am a belligerent person? You don’t even know me and yet you are telling me how I think! (You say we have to meet your Guru in person to know who he is, but after one post herein you’re trying to tell me and the other readers who I am, Huh? )
“I realize that sentiment can get a person cheated badly. You are telling me high school knowledge when you have not graduated kindergarden”
I may or may not have even reached kindergarten level, but again why are you speculating so badly about me when you don’t even know me? Why are you grading me as lower and yourself as higher? (“Swamiji’s followers are at the college platform of spiritual life”) Is this how Vaisnava’s discuss important issues by saying how much more qualified they are than others? (Actually your aggressive style reminds me of the old Iskcon modus operandi,.. you are attacking the person not the issue. Is this how your Guru taught you to discuss? Is this how your Guru conducts his discussions with others?) I don’t mind that you come on strong, but there is no honour in hitting someone below the belt. It also raises doubt that you are convinced you can defeat your opponent in fair debate. Dirty tricks are usually a sign of desperation. Of course this may not be the case with you.
“This forum is a waste of time. I do not like to argue.”
A debate and an argument are two different things. You made some strong statements on a public forum and as a result of ‘your postings’ I then asked you some questions and gave examples by way of explaining why I was asking such questions. I didn’t insult you, I didn’t insult your Guru, and I was not intentionally speaking to you like you were Kindergarten grade. I never said I was of a higher grade than you and I never said your Guru was not pure. I simply asked you some straightforward questions. What is the fault in being straightforward?
“I am ashamed that Kaliyuga has even affected me in this way but I can’t help but be blunt because I feel a need to defend my Guru’s name, which has been slandered by so many people in ISKCON because they are all jealous because he can preach better than any of them and he is purer than any of them.”
I did not slander your Guru’s good name. I do not know your Guru so how could I say what grade he is? It’s unfortunate that your Guru has allegedly been slandered by Iskcon devotees. I have personally seen a good deal of ill behaviour from some Iskcon members so I’m inclined to believe what you say about your Guru’s experience. (I am NOT a member of Iskcon or any other organization or group).
“When you ask for concrete proof, even though you are a devotee of Krishna, your mentality still reminds me of scientists who would say that all scientific evidence would disprove all the scriptures of the world, including the Vedic scriptures.
When I ask you for concrete proof about a spiritual subject that you raised and you are reminded of scientists that is your mentality. I had not thought of science and believe it was clear from the content that I was seeking spiritual proof derived from Guru, Sadhu and Sastra. Again you seem to want to put words in my head and then say that proves I must be like the scientists. They call this a straw man argument and it has no place in an honest debate. I did not ask for scientific proof, I asked for spiritual proof,… not the same thing. If you feel you cannot provide any proof then please just be honest and say so.
“….., similarly I cannot prove to you that my Guru is self realized.”
Dear not controlled by the GBC,
I am sorry that I have made assumptions about you without knowing enough about who you are. In truth, I am not in your shoes or anyone else’s and since I’m not self-realized I do not know what it is like to be anyone else. So you are right that I should not have made assumptions that you would continue to argue with me if I gave my proof that my Guru is self-realized. But I remain firm in my stance that the real proof that a Guru is self realized is to have enough merits from past lives, read the Vedic scriptures, meet a real Guru in person, and ask him questions and hear him talk to find out where he stands. That applies to any Guru, authentic or inauthentic. The procedure for testing is the same and the means to be able to realize that is the same.
But Let us all pray to Krsna to become free from the clutches of Maya and Kaliyuga so that we can see clearly on these issues, to understand if it is authorized to take diksa from a departed Guru or not, to understand who is a self-realized Guru and who is not. The idea is if we pray sincerely like this to Lord Krsna then he will give us a correct Guru and our human birth will be successful.
Jai Sri Radhe,
Jagadish das
Hare Krishna Jagadisa Prabhu,
Thank you for your humble reply, spoken like a true Vaisnava.
I have examined many Guru’s over many years and so far Srila Prabhupada is the only person I am willing to follow – others may disagree, but that’s the choice I have made. I know several level-headed, mature devotees who have prayed sincerely for a long time and have also reached the same conclusion. They are doing well in their spiritual lives, preaching, and bringing new souls to Prabhupada.
So I have yet to be convinced that Srila Prabhupada is NO LONGER available to us. The fact that someone could be accepted as initiated by Srila Prabhupada when His Divine Grace was on the other side of the planet, (as was the arrangement set up by Prabhupada himself) but can no longer be accepted now that Srila Prabhupada is on a different planet makes no sense to me. Srila Prabhupada actually says the Guru remains within this Universe until all his disciples have returned home. To say that as soon as Prabhupada travels ‘too many’ kilometres away he loses his potency is a mundane calculation, not a spiritual one. Assuming Srila Prabhupada is in the spiritual world also does not automatically mean he’s a kind of prisoner there cut off from his mission ‘down here’ on this planet, (or any other planet of this or any other Universe for that matter). If His Divine Grace and Krishna desire it, Srila Prabhupada can be available to us from any distance. A pure devotee is not restricted by time and space and to try and put those restrictions on him is dubious and possibly dangerous.
Ultimately it’s up to Prabhupada, and neither you or me, nor Rocan das over on the Sampradaya Sun or even the big GBC can order Srila Prabhupada around or advise him who he can or can’t accept, love, guide, teach and inspire. For me Prabhupada is not dead and gone, and I really don’t think God will be casting the sincere followers of Prabhupada into hell because they tried to serve his mission and follow his instructions.
So yes, I think we should examine Guru carefully and all these issues, based on Vedic conclusions. (It might also be worth examining very honestly the motive behind what drives people to preach so strongly that Prabhupada is ‘gone’).
Jagadish das says: ” My response: Yes. When I said initiated by Srila Prabhupada, I meant either initiated by him, or initiated by him through ritvik. But ritvik initiation cannot be taken from a departed Guru. So my statement holds true. ”
In reply to Jagdish das comments cited above, Not Controlled by the gbc has given very nicely in his writing.
However giving the benefit of doubts to Jagadish das and his accepted bona fide guru what he learns from him as saying in his comments quoted above which reads ;
” But ritvik initiation cannot be taken from a departed Guru. So my statement holds true. ”
if his above statement holds true as he learns it from his guru, then, he needs to know and explain what it means when we the followers of Srila Prabhupada pray in the Guru Vandana ;
” cakhu-dan dilo jei, janme janme prabhu sei, divya-jnan hrde prokasito……… ”
Is Srila Prabhupada VANI – Instructions NOT widely and easily available for a sincere and serious soul who is searching to go home Back to Godhead ?
How does a Self Realized Guru become Departed ?
Only when His VANI , as it is, is no longer available. Then, the disciplic succession breaks down and Lord Krishna arranges to establish the Parampara again as we learn it from the Srimad Bhagavatgita.
Is that not a FACT, Jagadish das ?
Please do not insult your guru in the public forum that he is indeed an IGNORANT of the knowledge and as such you are following him blindly.
If your guru is not an IGNORANT being full of desirous to accept his own disciples, then, you must know it that he is not FREE FROM desires. Therefore, he is not a bona fide guru ?
Does that not make a sense ?
Because diksha guru is not an ordinary guru who instructs to others like minded people as we are doing and discussing but He is an UTTAMA ADHIKARI, a top notch self realized soul as we learn it from the scripture quoted below ;
“Vallabha Bhaṭṭa wanted to be initiated by Gadādhara Pandita, BUT
GADADHARA PANDIT refused, saying, ‘The work of acting as a spiritual master is not possible for me. I am completely dependent. My Lord is Gauracandra, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. I cannot do anything independently, without His order.’ ”
(Cc. Antya 7.150,151)
“Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual
Master ( diksa-guru). That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master ( diksa-guru) , and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance. ”
(SP Letter Mukunda 6/10/69)
A real diksa-guru is a resident from Krishna-Loka means uttama-adikari with special spiritual benediction from the higher authorities.
An example of a guru who has no qualification other than repeating what he has heard, can be found every where in the present ISKCON or in the different Gaudiya Maths.
As it appears your guru is one of the example whom you accept as a bona fide guru as good as or better than Srila Prabhupada.
You do not seem serious and sincere when you bring this type of discussion on the public forum simply showing how ignorant you are yourself because you have not read Srila Prabhupada’s VANI – Instructions with regard to the real GURU who brings Jivas back home Back to Godhead. It is that simple.
My humble suggestion to you is that please do not repeat this again ; ” But ritvik initiation cannot be taken from a departed Guru. So my statement holds true. ”
Therefore, your statement does not hold any TRUTH at all because you are an IGNORANT person who is following an other IGNORANT person accepting him to be a bona fide guru.
Go and do this kind of preaching amongst the IGNORANT people like yourself who has no knowledge about Srila Prabhupada’s VANI – Instructions.
Hope it meets you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
To Amara Puri:
After reading your last response, I had to contemplate and think about how a person can be so bitter. By nature, some people are born to be bitter, and they cannot be taught to be otherwise. There are some people who become bitter because of envy or being mishandled. There are some people who cannot stand a person and they act bitter to keep that person away or remain away from that person. Were you ever near my Guru Krsna Balaram Swamiji? When did you see him? Did you hear him speak so bitterly to someone or to you? Where were you born and who is your Guru? What is his name? Where does your Guru live? Are you a disciple of one of the western born Gurus of ISKCON? I have met some of them and I found them to be no better than me. Are you a disciple of Gaudiya Math? If yes, then which Gaudiya Math, as there are many factions in Gaudiya Math. If so, what is the name of your Gaudiya Math Guru? If I am offending you, please forgive me because I myself am so scared of committing offenses against a devotee because it will kill my devotional creeper and I will waste my time in the name of devotion. Swamiji is so humble and such a very nice person that anybody including his enemies come to ask him questions and he satisfies them by answering their queries, giving them prashadam, embracing them, and sending them happily on their way. I am totally convinced that except ISKCON, nobody in this world thinks Swamiji is a bad person. I humbly request you to clarify my doubt.
Jagadish das (James Walker)
To Mahesh Raja:
After reading your reply in the thread, it took me quite some time to digest what you had said. Are you born in north India or south India, because your name includes both, half south and half north. By knowing your name, it seems that you are not initiated because Mahesh Raja is not a spiritual name. Swamiji was also born in a Hindu family. You being Hindu, how can you be so bitter about Swamiji? It is amazing to me that you act like another ISKCON follower who hates Swamiji. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. They don’t like Swamiji’s preaching. And if Swamiji does not preach, it becomes disobedience of his Guru’s instructions. Did you ever meet my Guru? If you did, please tell me where. How did you meet him? Did he chastise you? Have you read any of his books, by reading which you became offended? Did you go to his temple and did you get mistreated there? How, you being a Hindu, could you be so bitter against another Hindu who is such a humble and nice devotee. Are you following any of the bogus ISKCON Gurus who made you act so offensive? Do you know that criticizing a devotee can take you to hell? Is that not taught by your Hindu philosophy, or are you a Muslim in the name of a Hindu and you have taken a Hindu name so you hate everybody and Swamiji is in the peak of your list? What made you so bitter about Swamiji? Please call Swamiji and meet him somewhere. The address and phone numbers are at our website http://www.krsna.org
Wow……….. Jagadish das after contemplating i.e. meditating upon questions which were asked in my comments about his guru KBS, he just answers by saying ; ” ………. how a person can be so bitter………. “.
A bitterness comes when a person playing deceptive, cheating. Isn’t it ?
A cheating such as writing Swamiji comes from the following chain of disciplic succession:
No. 33. His Divine Grace Mahamandaleswar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji .
What kind of a cheating is this ??????????
Why do you not answer the questions I asked you ?
If you and your guru can not answer the questions, then, please stop wasting your time in writing non-sense unrelated answers to the questions you are asked for.
I hope you do understand. No further non-sense writing please unless you or your guru answers the questions I asked for in my comments.
Hare Krishna.
http://www.krsna.org/OnlineBooks/GuruNirnayaDipika/gndi.php
In the above link explaining who is guru, KBS writes ;
” ………This is confirmed by Lord Kṛṣṇa speaking to Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gītā: “dvau bhūta sargo loke’smin BG….. 16.6, there are two categories of living entities in this creation.” There is a good and bad side to everyone and everything in this material world, as there are qualified and unqualified Gurūs, teachers and cheaters. The symptoms and qualifications of both are clearly described in the ancient scriptures of India.
Now read the explanation of same BG.16.6 as it is by HDG. Srila Prabhupada ;
TRANSLATION
O son of Pårthä, in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demonic. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac.
PURPORT
Lord Krsna, having assured Arjuna that he was born with the divine qualities, is now describing the demoniac way. The conditioned living entities are divided into two classes in this world. Those who are born with divine qualities follow a regulated life; that is to say they abide by the injunctions in scriptures and by the authorities. One should perform duties in the light of authoritative scripture. This mentality is called divine. One who does not follow the regulative principles as they are laid down in the scriptures and who acts according to his whims is called demoniac or asuric. There is no other criterion but obedience to the regulative principles of scriptures. It is mentioned in Vedic literature that both the demigods and the demons are born of the Prajäpati; the only difference is that one class obeys the Vedic injunctions and the other does not. ”
My question is ;
Does this KBS fall in the category of a bona fide Guru in the disciplic succession as he writes in his books ?
A cheating such as writing Swamiji comes from the following chain of disciplic succession:
No. 33. His Divine Grace Mahamandaleswar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji .
Does he obey the Vedic injunction ?
OMG……….well, let us forget about KBS and chant the Maha Mantra ;
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
OM TAT SAT.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Dear Jagadish das !
I would like to help you.
In my humble opinion you can understand “ritvik philosophy” only with difficulty. Because you read your guru’s books or writings, and listen to him. So actually you do not know Srila Prabhupada and His orders. I think this because I had connection with some devotees of ISKCON, Gaudiya Math .
Everyone should read only Srila Prabhupada books every day and chanting Hare Krsna mantra. The main books: Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, The Nectar of Devotion, Sri Caitanya Caritamrta. This is a long process. In my experience : When you will read Sri Caitanya Caritamrta you will know what is real humbleness , who is the bonafide guru, what is the true love. You will not be misleaded by affability. Then you will know decide the things.
Hare Krsna
marica says:
5. September 2014 at 9:24 am
Dear Jagadish das !
I would like to help you.
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Mahesh:
Hare Krsna! Marcia you can NOT help Jagadish because he is SENTIMENTAL. He has NO BRAIN to read Srila Prabhupada’s books OR hear him on MP3:
http://krishnastore.co.uk/high-quality-prabhupada-mp3-audio-library-usb-stick-h-krishna-3226.html
Haribol Amar Puri.
I guess you are not aware that Srila Prabhupada had disconnected from Gaudiya Math
and after starting ISKCON he wrote his name as #32
in the list of the chain of disciplic succession which we find in his books even though
he was neither elected or selected or appointed as Guru by his own Guru. I do not disturb
my Guru with your humble writings presented in the letters, but I can say this much- that
Guru can neither be selected or elected or appointed like politicians or heads of a business.
When Srila Prabhupada put a title “Prabhupada” after his name, all the great leaders of
Gaudiya Math turned against him and had a meeting in Mayapur, India and invited Srila Prabhupada
to answer their question regarding why he took Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati’s title of
Prabhupada. In Gaudiya Math, even now, “Prabhupada” means Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami.
Our Prabhupada answered all their questions and gave them an example such as just as Mr. Smith’s son
must be Mr. Smith, so Prabhupada’s disciple can only be Prabhupada. (The name Smith was not
used but you get the idea) Even though they requested that Srila Prabhupada not use the
title of his own Guru and that he should show humility by removing it, Srila
Prabhupada kept the title. I have noticed all of ISKCON’s modern Gurus have each taken a title
such as Gurupad, and I assume your Guru might have one too. Still, our Guru has not given himself any
title. The title Mahamandaleshwar was given to
him unanimously by all the Mahants, Sri Mahants, and Mahamandaleshwars of all four Vaisnava
Sampradayas of all of India. He did not give himself that title. Disciples call Guru His Divine Grace,
normal people call Guru His Holiness, but in essence both are one and the same.
I do not think my Guru is interested in having an exalted title, as he humbly signs his letters
Krsna Balaram Swami. He just humbly wants to serve his Guru
and Lord Krsna. Srila Prabhupada put his name as #32 in the list, no one in Gaudiya Math wanted
that, but Prabhupada did not care about them. Now I wonder why. It is because he was born
as a pure devotee and took up spiritual life from the very beginning and had a perfect Guru
and did not adopt any vices in life, that is why he kept his name as #32 even though the whole
Gaudiya Math objected. My Guru is also born as a pure devotee from pure parentage in the
holiest land of Sri Vrndavan Dham and has a pure Guru and did not have any bad habits in his life
like many of us did. Therefore, I do not think he will care about why people criticize him
for putting his name as #33, nor will he listen to the criticism. I may be called sentimental
because I found a pure Guru from Vrndavan, India and you may have found somebody whose
habits may be questionable. I have told you the name of my Guru, but you never told me the name
of your Guru. Is this how a devotee deals in this world? Even though I realize that the spirit
soul is not the body, to let you know what birth I have taken due to my past karma,
I am an American caucasion. I expect that a devotee should be straightforward in dealing.
My Guru never says do not read
anyone’s books, do not go to anyone’s temples, do not talk to anyone, but I am sure your Guru
tells you not to read my Guru’s books nor see him nor come to see the deities in our temple.
I thought to be a devotee means to be broad minded and open hearted. In my estimation,
a devotee should be frank. It took me a few days to think about your so-called humble
presentation in the thread to digest it, so I had asked you some questions in a humble way,
but instead of replying straightforwardly, you had criticized my Guru who may be your
God-uncle. Criticizing a superior Vaisnava is a quality of a disciple of a modern Guru.
If my Guru found out that I was criticizing his Godbrothers the way you did, I am sure my
Guru would get angry and chastise me because he teaches me to be careful on the spiritual
path.
Mahesh Raja,
I think you are hiding behind a phony name because Mahesh Raja is a Hindu name and a Hindu will not act like this. I have read many of Srila Prabhupada’s books and viewed his videos, but I stopped reading his books upon learning that they had all been altered from the very first publishing, but I still do watch his videos because I do not think that modern technology has yet gotten to the point that videos can be altered convincingly. At least with Srila Prabhupada’s videos, I can see his lips moving to his voice, but I do not trust any letters, books, writings on the internet or any other source such as audio because they all could have easily been altered. Whoever you may be, you must come clean by presenting your real name and the reason why you hate my Guru so I also know the reason.
Dear Jagadish Das !
I was learning at an impersonalist master and when I was reading Bhagavad-gíta ( Copyright 1993 ) I immediately accepted Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna
Jagadish das:I think you are hiding behind a phony name because Mahesh Raja is a Hindu name and a Hindu will not act like this.
Mahesh: Hare Krsna! That is my REAL name. I was born with name Mahesh Raja.
Krishna’s gift Raja (King) from birth
Jagadish das:Whoever you may be, you must come clean by presenting your real name and the reason why you hate my Guru so I also know the reason.
Mahesh: I do NOT hate your “Guru” but the FACTS have to be presented AS IT IS. The man is a CONDITIONED SOUL. He is CHEATING you. Srila Prabhupada did NOT appoint him. Srila Prabhupada ONLY appointed Ritviks.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. ACCORDING TO SOCIAL CONVENTIONS, IT IS SAID THAT ONE CAN SPEAK THE TRUTH ONLY WHEN IT IS PALATABLE TO OTHERS. BUT THAT IS NOT TRUTHFULNESS. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
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WHEN I order
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
Dear Jagadisa Prabhu,
you wrote: Haribol Amar Puri.
I guess you are not aware that Srila Prabhupada had disconnected from Gaudiya Math
and after starting ISKCON he wrote his name as #32
in the list of the chain of disciplic succession which we find in his books even though
he was neither elected or selected or appointed as Guru by his own Guru.
Prabhu you are WRONG!
Srila Prabhupada: “One does not become spiritual master by his own whim. That is not spiritual master. He must be ordered by spiritual authority. Just like in our case our spiritual authority, my spiritual master ordered me,…” [Lecture 3rd August 1973 London, England].
His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada did not instruct your Guru to become a Guru. His Divine Grace did not directly instruct ANY of his disciples to become Guru. Your Guru has made himself a Guru.
Again I say, people who try to minimize Srila Prabhupada’s position might like to take an honest look at what motivates them to do so.
Jagadisa Prabhu, you have warned us several times about offending your Guru, how detrimental Vaisnava aparad is, ie: “Criticizing a superior Vaisnava is a quality of a disciple of a modern Guru”. But then you write that Srila Prabhupada fabricated his spiritual credentials and without being authorized gave himself the position of initiating Guru. In my mind this is pretty damn offensive given Srila Prabhupada’s position in the spiritual scheme of things. Is this what your Guru is preaching about his spiritual master, or is this your own concoction that you have not cleared with your Guru before posting? Either way it don’t look good.
You have also previously told us that yourself and your godbrothers/sisters are all of spiritual college grade, higher than the rest of us. I think by college grade you should at least be checking your facts before presenting them to the public AS FACT. Srila Prabhupada did not become a Guru on his own whim, he was ordered by his Guru.
Why are you so apparently eager to undermine Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual position?
Jagadish Das:Therefore, I do not think he will care about why people criticize him
for putting his name as #33, nor will he listen to the criticism.
Mahesh: So you mean he is MADMAN? Only PROMINENT Acarya is ACCEPTED to be followed:Srila Prabhupada IS that PROMINENT ACARYA:
68-04-12. Letter: Dayananda
REGARDING PARAMPARA SYSTEM: THERE IS NOTHING TO WONDER FOR BIG GAPS. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYA, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
Jagadish das ; From your writing it appears that you are born ignorant and you remain ignorant up till now even after meeting your guru or mentor KBS who has happened to be a disciple of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and still your ignorant have not been removed which indicates strongly that your mentor or guru KBS has not been following the Instructions of his own Guru Maharaja.
My IGNORANCES are being removed by following the process of HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions. That is why I can write and see who is bogus guru and who is not. Therefore, your mentor or guru KBS is an Ignorant person simply desirous of accepting and collecting disciples and thus, keeping all of you in Ignorant as his followers.
Therefore, a person like your guru KBS who is disobeying the Order of His own Guru Maharaja can not remove the darkness of Ignorance. That is why you are writing as such what you have indeed learned it from him.
Do you read Srila Prabhupada Books and hear Him His Instructions ?
Be honest to yourself and reply it to yourself.
That is the only way, you can realize what different participants are writing to remove your ignorance because all of us are the followers of the Instructions of HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
That is why I pin pointed what non-sense KBS has written in his book which I happened to read it on the link you submitted in your writing.
Do you understand it ?
So, please do not waste your time writing ignorantly. Go some where else to protect and promote KBS amongst the ignorant people.
Hope it meets you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Lord Balarama began to consider thus: “I have appeared in order to chastise false persons who are internally impure but externally pose themselves to be very learned and religious. My killing of such persons is proper to check them from further sinful activity.”
I wonder if KBS has ever read the Krsna Book the above mentioned extract of which is taken from the chapter killing of Dantavakra, Vidhuratha and Romaharsana by HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
So, Jagadish das , you can save yourself and your guru simply by reading KB of Srila Prabhupada.
By the way, please do not mention and quote of Srila Prabhupada without giving any source of reference which is considered an other cheating as you commented in your post which reads ;
” ….. In Gaudiya Math, even now, “Prabhupada” means Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami.
Our Prabhupada answered all their questions and gave them an example such as just as Mr. Smith’s son must be Mr. Smith, so Prabhupada’s disciple can only be Prabhupada. (The name Smith was not
used but you get the idea) Even though they requested that Srila Prabhupada not use the
title of his own Guru and that he should show humility by removing it, Srila Prabhupada kept the title…… ”
From this very statement ” ….. Even though they requested that Srila Prabhupada not use the
title of his own Guru and that he should show humility by removing it, Srila Prabhupada kept the title…… ”
it indicates that Srila Prabhupada did not show ” humility ” is itself very offensive.
Do you mean Srila Prabhupada is not a Mahabhagvata because he did not show ” humility ” where as your guru KBS is more humbler than Srila Prabhupada because he did not accept any of the title ?
If your guru KBS is more humble indeed than Srila Prabhupada according to your statement, then, why your guru KBS is desirous to become guru as good as Srila Prabhupada who has never authorized any of his disciples to become His Successor ?
Why did he write ” Swamiji comes from the following chain of disciplic succession:
No. 33. His Divine Grace Mahamandaleswar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji .
Is this not a CHEATING ?
Is this what you call ” humility ” ?
Does your guru and yourself know the Yamaraja who punishes the sinful Jivas ?
You are not qualified at all to write any thing to protect your guru KBS because he is a bogus and false guru who is internally impure but externally pose himself to be very learned and religious.
Don’t you see it, Jagadish das. NO. I don’t think so because you choose to remain IGNORANT.
That is it and that is all.
Hope it meets you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
If Prabhupada said in his lecture in 1973 (for which you are unable to produce a tape, even though you may have the software to fake it) that he was elected and selected to become Guru, there is equal proof that my Guru was also told by Srila Prabhupada to already be a Guru and you can find the statements in Swamiji said at http://www.krsna.org and all the hierarchy of ISKCON knows that. By the way, Swamiji will never fake a tape even though he could easily access the software to do so just like ISKCON has done, because he knows that his statements are true and won’t use dishonest means to prove it to anyone. What would Prabhupada think if he found out about these feigned quotations after his departure? If you do not accept my Guru to be authentic, then you are condemning Prabhupada too because Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati did not write down that Prabhupada should become Guru. You all may be envious of my Guru and condemning him, but I think we should be careful about criticizing a Vaisnava calling him a cheater. Actually, not only are you calling him a cheater, you are calling Srila Prabhupada a cheater, because he was not appointed by Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati in writing. When Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati departed, there was a big commotion in Gaudiya Math because he never elected, selected, or appointed anyone to act as a Guru. When Gaudiya Math was defeated in court they appointed a disciple to act as Acharya for Gaudiya Math.
I am not interested in critcizing anyone. Whatever I said was to defend my Guru only. This is enough for me. Why do you have to worry if my Guru is not in your institution? My Guru is not a Guru for ISKCON, he has left ISKCON, as Srila Prabhupada left Gaudiya Math. If my Guru is Guru for his own mission, Bhagavat Dharma Samaj, why do you have to criticize him? It makes no sense. Gaudiya Math did not criticize Prabhupada for becoming Guru in ISKCON. Why are you so envious? You are gaining nothing by ill speaking about a Vaisnava who is not interested in any of you or your colleagues. Why ISKCON is so scared of my Guru, only ISKCON may know. And surely after death they will have to answer to a higher authority. You will not hear from me again because I am not interested in your garbage. Thank you.
Jai Sri Radhe,
Jagadish das
Dear Jagadish Das !
I read Srila Prabhupada’s books and I see the Prabhus ( Amar Puri, Mahesh Raja ) are right. Your comments show that you do not know the things. You should check your knowledge. But if you do not want to see the truth then your belief will remain in your bogus guru in your whole life . So you will lose your chance because your bogus guru can not take you back to Sri Krsna .
Hare Krsna
Jagadish das sent this link …… http://www.krsna.org/Quotes/swamijisaid5.php ….. to validate his comments that his guru KBS is already a guru because Srila Prabhupada told him so.
Now the question is what kind of a guru ?
Did Srila Prabhupada tell KBS particularly to accept and collect his own disciples ?
If it is so, then, where is such a PROOF, Jagadish das ?
As you wrote in your comments ; ” You will not hear from me again because I am not interested in your garbage. Thank you. “, therefore, I do not expect any reply to my questions from you as it appears.
In case, you do have the reply only from your guru KBS, then, you may share it with us. Otherwise, please do not waste your time any more.
Hope it finds you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Actually there is no need for you to speak further Jagadisa as I think you have exposed the mentality of your Guru’s camp loud and clear.
I come here to challenge the likes of Jagadisa das because I’m sick to death of hearing from disciples about how pure their Guru is. And I’m tired of seeing the destructive fall-out when these so called pure gurus fall down and people get deceived. So if Jagadisa das wants to proclaim on public forums the level of his Guru’s purity, (especially given that he’s claiming his Guru is the ONLY Guru) then similarly I have a right to ask some hard questions. We are not meant to follow blindly. And we are not meant to be cheated. Jagadisa’s Guru got to select Srila Prabhupada from thousands of Guru’s, so why shouldn’t the rest of us get to choose a Guru only after thorough examination and inquiry?
Jagadisa ‘tells us’ his Guru is pure, but if anyone questions or challenges that he brands us ‘offenders’. In the end Jagadisa das throws all his toys out of the cot and declares the whole conversation Garbage. Actually this couldn’t be further from the truth. Far from being garbage, this question, “Who is in reality pure enough to take me back to Godhead” is probably the most important thing we will ever ask!
When put under the microscope Jagadias’s Guru seems no different from the Iskcon Guru’s who also claim Prabhupada said they should be Guru’s, (though none of them can provide any proof). The only evidence Jagadisa das offers is a website wherein any and all testimonial regarding the qualification of his Guru is from one source – his Guru!
I have never read or heard where Srila Prabhupada declared that the person who got some extra rounds chanted on his beads would automatically become the only initiating Guru, the sole successor, or #33in the disciplic line coming down from Brahma. Neither do I believe Srila Prabhupada ever said for these things to come about someone would have to be a life-long vegetarian, know Sanskrit, be an Indian or a Brahmana. If someone can provide proof to the contrary I will retract this and apologize.
Krsna Balaram Swamiji’s organization, Bhagavat Dharma Samaj, received the following email, which I replied to below, and added a p.s. to.
amar puri
to me
Hare Krishna.
Prabhu, is it possible to have a date of birth, time of birth and place of birth of Swamiji Krishna Balaram Maharaja ?
I would like to read through his horoscope as one can see and read through the Horoscope of HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you, Prabhu.
YS…… Amar Puri.
James Walker
to amar
Dear Amar Puri Prabhu,
Haribol. All glories to His Divine Grace Mahamandelshwar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji. I hope you are well.
I am very glad that you want to know about Swamiji’s birthplace. He was born in Sri Vrndavan Dham, India, the holiest land in the universe. Once Swamiji was talking about how his own Guru, Prabhupada, was giving a lecture in Vrndavan and said that those who think that their material body made of bile, air, and mucus are the self; those who think their family members are their own; those who think that the purpose of going to holy places is just to take a dip in the holy water there; and those who think their birthplace is worshipable- if they are pious they are cows, and if they are impious they are donkeys. After hearing such a statement, some time later, Swamiji (my Guru) reached Prabhupada and said, “I am very attached to my birthplace,” Prabhupada already knew that my Guru’s birthplace was Vrndavan Dham, so Prabupada said, “You are very special. If you are attached to your birthplace you will go back to Godhead.”
Swamiji himself is a very well versed astrologer, not only did he learn astrology in his Gurukul school (ISKCON has no idea what real Gurukul schools in India were and are) he also inherited that art from his age old dynasty. His father was a very great astrologer and famous for it all over Vraja land, and his grandfather also, thus dating back through his ancestry for time immemorial. Once Swamiji was talking about astrology years ago and he said that his western godbrothers knew astrology haphazardly. One of them is Syamasundara and the other is Kalakanta whom I do not know. They know Swamiji well. Swamiji is well versed in Vedic astrology and he does not accept Western astrology. He knows of two kinds of astrology, one is by knowing the birth time as you had asked, and one is without knowing the birth time. I am afraid to ask Swamiji questions such as what his birthdate is, because while talking about astrology, once Swamiji said, “Astrology is material and deals with the mind and intelligence to safeguard the body and alert a person to be careful about the future.” Swamiji is totally spiritual, always keeping busy in Lord Krsna’s service. I do not know whose disciple you are, but I think you yourself may not want to ask him when you are face to face with him. I am afraid to say that even ISKCON Gurus are scareed and intimidated before him. If you know any ISKCON Gurus, you can ask them genuinely to tell you about what they feel when they are facing Krsna Balaram Swami. Once, before I took initiation from him, Swamiji gave me two papers, one was the North American Continental Judicial Committee paper against Krsna Balaram Swami and the other was the response to that paper by my Guru. I read both the papers and I came to the conclusion that the ISKCON hierarchy consists of demons in the garb of devotees. I was shocked how ISKCON dealt with Swamiji. Swamiji wanted me to know whom I was surrendering to to become a disciple, which is why he gave me this paper which I had never heard about before. Swamiji’s life is totally open. There are no secrets he keeps. When I go to stay with him for a week or two weeks, I am in the same house with him 24/7 and I see that he is on spiritual duty 24/7 and this is the truth. I have not seen Swamiji sitting idle at any time and he never leaves the Ashram. I thank my luck, destiny, previous karma, and Lord Krsna that I have been rewarded such a Guru who is so very rare. I feel that only lucky souls who are destined to be liberated will come to connect with Swamiji. His preaching is amazing. My father arranged a program on the campus of Ohio University and I have seen how demoniac professors were amazed hearing Swamiji’s answers to their non-Godly, semi-Godly, and agnostic questions. I was also amazed that Swamiji convinced my agnostic father about the existence of the soul, as he has done for many. Please forgive me for writing a lingering letter, but I thought I should narrate something about my Guru whom you may not know and would want to know. He is presently in the Baltimore area. You can come and see him face to face and ask him any questions you feel like asking.
Jai Sri Radhe,
Your servant,
Jagadish das
p.s.
If one reads this whole thread of writings back and forth, one can see how arrogant and critical the ISKCON devotees are of my Guru, Krsna Balaram Swami. According to Srimad Bhagavatam, the four headed Lord Brahma, the incarnation in passion of Lord Krsna, one of the first spiritual authorities among 12 authorities whose lifespan is trillions of years, glorifies the Vrjavasis and begs Lord Krsna to become a plant in Vrndavan if he is not qualified to take birth as a human being in Vrndavan. Uddhava, whom Lord Krsna considered his own life breath, also glorified the Vrjavasis and prayed to take birth as a blade of grass in Vrndavan. Lord Krsna also said the Vrjavasis are His own bodily limbs. Even though such is the position of the Vrjavasis according to Srimad Bhagavatam, these ISKCON devotees think they have surpassed Lord Brahma and Uddhava, and thus speak against their will. Just imagine, if the devotee disciples of ISKCON are so critical of my Guru Krsna Balaram Swami, who is born in a pure Brahmin family in Vrndavan, how critical and ill speaking their Gurus must be? I am simply amazed, thinking either they are Kaliyuga agents in the garb of devotees or they are simply demons meant to loot people’s donations and get worship and respect from others.
Jagadish das
Jagadish das writes ;
” once Swamiji said, “Astrology is material and deals with the mind and intelligence to safeguard the body and alert a person to be careful about the future.” Swamiji is totally spiritual, always keeping busy in Lord Krsna’s service. I do not know whose disciple you are, but I think you yourself may not want to ask him when you are face to face with him. ”
Of course, the Astrology is the road map of once life as to how one is subjected to go through the four phases of life such a/ Dharma, b/ Artha, c/ Kama/ and d/ Moksha.
That is the reason I asked in my email the birth time and date of Swamiji so that I can read the horoscope what it says to verify the authenticity of his being a Self realized person as I did for our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s birth chart which speaks by itself with His life’s history. That is why Srila Prabhupada is the Mahabhagavat known and accepted by all class of His followers.
So, in this case, not to beat around the bush, I ask you again to tell your guru KBS to give his birth particulars and I shall put my reading of the horoscope on this public forum for further comments from others including your guru KBS..
Is your guru KBS ji ready to accept my insignificant request ?
If not, then, please do not write here any more because you are a cheater following another cheater.
Hope you do adhere to this request.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
YS…….. Amar Puri.
I am not disputing that Jagadisa’s Guru isn’t a nice devotee who is always active in Krishna’s service. And I accept that he was born in Vrndavana and that this is a fortunate birth. It’s also possible that Srila Prabhupada encouraged him to remain attached to Vrndavana too, as we know Srila Prabhupada encouraged many of his young disciples with kind words. (Of course Srila Prabhupada does say that to over emphasize ones birth is just ‘Tannery disease’)
It should be carefully noted, however, that being born in Vrndavana is not an automatic spiritual qualification for neither Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Maharaja, nor Bhaktivinode Thakura were born in Vrndavana – neither many of our other great Vaisnava saints. Haridas Thakura was born in a Muslim family, and yet he became Namacharya and was personally loved by Lord Caitanya so much. Ours is not a caste Goswami line wherein ones spiritual credentials are based on birthright, nor do we necessarily bow down to someone based on their birth. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta worked very hard to stamp out this mentality and the caste Goswamis, (perhaps some of whom were born in Vrndavana) showed their true colors with violent attacks and plots to kill the Vaisnava who dared to challenge their birthright claims.
To date the only evidences of Jagadisa’s Guru’s alleged qualification to be an initiating Guru, Srila Prabhpada’s successor, and number 33 in the sacred disciplic line stem from the Guru himself?
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want some proof when we hear self-proclaimed qualifications being touted in spiritual circles, and those that wish to muzzle us with threats and curses of hellish damnation may want to examine why they themselves are so reluctant to face these hard questions.
In this day and age, and after all we have seen and been through is it enough to simply ‘be told’ by a disciple that his Guru is the MOST qualified based wholly and solely on that Guru’s say-so?
(say-so, noun: a statement that is not supported by any proof)?
The following mail was sent to Bhagavat Dharma Samaj, my Guru’s organzation, by Amar Puri. My response is posted below.
Jagadish das Prabhu, I did not know it that that is your email and you are the main spoke person of your guru KBS ji. Before you get further involved with him, I will write it to you after reading your guru’s horoscope and then you may decide what you want to do.
So, I ask you to give me his date of birth and time. You have nothing to lose or worry about but everything to gain from it.
I look forward to hear from you soon.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
YS… Amar Puri.
Dear Amar Puri,
Haribol. Please accept the blessings of His Divine Grace Mahamandaleshwar Mahant Krsna Balaram Swamiji. I hope you and those dear to you are well.
Now I understand that you are initiated by an ISKCON Guru. I am not so unintelligent so as to ask my Guru about his birthdate so you can make a haphazardous astrological calculation and commit offenses. I am already under the bright sun in which I can see my position, where I am at, and I can see you and also the world and where they are at. It is not necessary for me to seek the help of your lamp in front of the bright sun. I am glad to find that you are eagerly interested to know if my Guru, whose knowledge is unfathomable, is a shining sun or not. Blind men cannot see the bright sun, and those who have their eyes closed are unable to see also. By God’s grace, I have opened my eyes of knowledge and found the sun. I do not think I would appreciate a little lamp-like knowledge under the knowledge of the bright sun. I hope I am not offending you, but I am not comfortable about asking my Guru about his birthdate. When I find out by research that the gold I have is gold, then it is not necessary to hear from somebody who suspects my gold to be brass about whether my gold is brass or gold. Why don’t you come and ask my Guru what his birthdate is if you are so interested, so you will know how much astrology my Guru knows, and my Guru will know where you stand in astrological knowledge? In spiritual life, Guru should be dealt with very carefully if he is authorized by the ancient scriptures of India. Those who are initiated by Gurus whose background is questionable can investigate and take another initiation for their spiritual advancement. In this, there is no offense.
Thank you very much,
Your servvant,
Jagadish das
Jagadish das cleverly writes ; ” Now I understand that you are initiated by an ISKCON Guru. I am not so unintelligent so as to ask my Guru about his birthdate so you can make a haphazardous astrological calculation and commit offenses. ………….. Why don’t you come and ask my Guru what his birthdate is if you are so interested, so you will know how much astrology my Guru knows, and my Guru will know where you stand in astrological knowledge? ”
You do not understand and know at all that I am NEITHER initiated by an ISKCON bogus Guru NOR any self made guru like your KBS guru whom you accept him to be a bona fide acaraya in the line of HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
No, Jagadish das. I am simply practising very hard to follow the Instructions of HDG. Srila Prabhupada in my Spiritual life. Therefore, my Gurumaharaja is HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
When I asked your guru’s birth date and time in my email on his web site, unfortunately, it landed on you because you are the sole spoke person of your guru who makes such decision as written in your comments.
That is why you are so unintelligent not knowing that sometime a glow worm appears very bright like Sun and thus unintelligent person like yourself think it like a bright Sun as you expressed in your comments.
I have repeatedly written to you that you are not qualified at all neither to protect and promote yourself nor to your guru KBS. That is the dilemma.
One more time, I ask you the followings which you have ignored to reply ;
Jagadish das sent this link …… http://www.krsna.org/Quotes/swamijisaid5.php ….. to validate his comments that his guru KBS is already a guru because Srila Prabhupada told him so.
Now the question is what kind of a guru ?
Did Srila Prabhupada tell KBS particularly to accept and collect his own disciples ?
If it is so, then, where is such a PROOF, Jagadish das ?
If you can not provide the PROOF, then, you and your guru both are LIAR and CHEATER.
As you wrote in your comments ; ” You will not hear from me again because I am not interested in your garbage. Thank you. “, therefore, I do not expect any reply to my questions from you as it appears.
In case, you do have the reply only from your guru KBS, then, you may share it with us. Otherwise, please do not waste your time any more.
Hope it finds you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Indian times are followed by Sri Ekadasi Devi and the Papa purusa
Indian times are followed by Sri Ekadasi Devi and the Papa
purusa, now iskcon is saying that ekadashi means that you have to avoid eating rice because of the moon influence on the grains. But ekadashi is not related with the position of the moon but the influence of Sri Ekadasi devi titi.