PATITA PAVANA’S BOGUS ASTROLOGICAL NEWSLETTER
by Urdhvaga das (ACBSP)
WARNING – We herewith like to warn all devotees, not to read Patita Pavana’s so-called Astrological Newsletters, because it contains sinister deviations, directed against Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna Patita Pavana.
I have requested you to explain the bogus statements in your Astrological Newsletter, referring to IskCon’s bogus so-called successor acaryas.
Since you did not reply to me, it is obvious, that you are consenting to such nonsense. Don’t pervert Srila Prabhupadas Philosophy!
Srila Prabhupada NEVER appointed any “successor acaryas”. This is nonsense propaganda by IskCons false gurus, who deviously appointed themselves to such a position for the purpose of exploiting the members and assets of Srila Prabhupadas movement. There are NO SUCH “successor acarya” appointments.
You can not show any letters of Srila Prabhupada to proof your concocted statements, and you miserably failed to support your ‘hotchpotch’ philosophical speculations.
I herewith distance myself from you. PLEASE STOP sending me your stupid Newsletters, which you misuse for your devious propaganda business against Srila Prabhupada.
You are rascal number one. In the guise of Astrological Newsletters you propagate bogus philosophy, offending our guru Srila Prabhupada, knowingly supporting IskCon’s faggot acaryas and murder-gurus. Why are you doing this “killing-business” to our spiritual master?
Please DELETE MY NAME from your mass mailing-list. I want to have nothing to do with you, whatsoever. STOP sending your Astrological Newsletters to me. Delete my name. You are such a rascal to insult Srila Prabhupada with your ‘hotchpoth’ concocted philosophy.
You have sided with Bhakta das, a known ex-convict and controversial figure, and both of you two rascals are attacking Srila Prabhupada with your nonsense philosophy.
I feel aghast to have read your face-book prajalpa with Bhakta das. I am totally shocked to read how you openly belittle Srila Prabhupada and blaspheme his disciples who follow his instructions outline in his Letter of July 9th. It would be offensive to repeat all of your nonsense conversation with Bhakta das.
By rejecting Srila Prabhupada’s orders (in his Letter of July 9th) and knowingly supporting faggot-and-womanhunter-acaryas, you are deviating and cheating unsuspecting newcomer devotees, supporting and promoting bogus IskCon-gurus, who regularly fall down into obnoxious activities.
The result is, bewildered and deceived new devotees are coaxed into accepting another bogus guru, and another, and another……. traumatising them for life.
STOP advertising CONDITIONED-SOULS-CHEATERS as GURUS.
Patita Pavana, you will NEVER be successful promoting bogus gurus, and you will NEVER be successful replacing Srila Prabhupada as the Sampradaya-Acarya of HIS movement.
Yours,
in the service of Srila Prabhupada
Urdhvaga das (ACBSP)
Srila Prabhupada: “There is nothing new to be said. Whatever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand it and continue with your endeavors. Whether I am present or not does not matter.” SPC (BBT 1991) Vrindavan 17/05/77
Srila Prabhupada: “Yes. You can associate with Krishna by reading Bhagavad-gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty?” SPC (BBT 1991) Paris 11/06/74
Devotee: “Srila Prabhupada when you’re not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise…”
Srila Prabhupada: “Well the answers are there in my books.” SPC (BBT 1991) Los Angeles 13/05/73
“I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my guru maharaja” (Srila Prabhupada to Tamal Krishna, 14 July 1977)
“If I depart there is no cause for lamentation. I will always be with you through my books and orders. I will always remain with you in that way.” BTG (BBT 1977) December 1977
“…..Please always try to remember me by my teachings and we shall always be together.” (73-11-25. Letter: Cidananda)
Patita Pavan and Bhakta dasa rejecting Srila Prabhupadas orders
Discussion On Ritviks (by Padmagarbha das)
Re-Posted from PADA blog krishna 1008
[PADA would like to offer our sincere appreciation to all these devotees like Padmagharbha dasa who, over the past decades, have supported our effort to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. Our eternal thanks! ys pd]
[From Padmagarbha das]
Dear Gopta,
Thank you for your kind and ‘sentimental’ letter. I too am quite ‘sentimental’, I even often tear up in sentimental movies. Only when it comes to the philosophy of Krsna consciousness, and specifically the words and teachings of Srila Prabhupada, as well as loyalty to Srila Prabhupada, I fanatically try to avoid sentimentality!
You feeling ‘unworthy’ and unqualified in weighing-in on the matter of Patita Pavan, Bhakta dasa and others who are rejecting SP’s orders due to you not practicing strictly, is a reflection of your feelings of guilt as well as your humility. However, there is an ocean of difference between weakness and cheating, as stated perfectly by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja:
“Cheating and weakness are two separate things. Persons devoid of a cheating propensity achieve perfection in life, but a cheater is never successful. Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. Cheaters are non-devotees. Sincere persons can be weak, but they are not cheaters. Cheaters say something but do something else. Weak people are embarrassed by their defects, whereas cheaters are maddened by their achievements. I will cheat the acharya,I will deceive the doctor,I will nourish the poisonous snake of my sinful propensity with banana and milk, hiding him in the hole of my cheating propensity, and I will demand name and fame from the people while posing as a saint [a senior devotee].
These are not symptoms of weakness but of utter deceitfulness. Such cheaters will never achieve any good. By hearing humbly from saints with a sincere attitude, however, one will gradually attain auspiciousness. After accepting tridandi-sannyasa if one remains busy with worldly activities, thinking that family life is more important than spiritual life or maintaining the sinful mentality of kidnapping Sita from Rama [stealing SP’s disciples] as Ravana did even while dressed as a devotee, then one is a self-killer. We are far from the worship of Hari. Even if we have weakness and have enough anarthas to last us for millions of years, we are not as misfortunate as if we possessed a cheating propensity. It is better to take birth as animals or birds than to take shelter of cheating.”
Gopta, by rejecting SP’s orders [final] on the issue of Guru Tattva the leaders of iskcon AND their enablers are not only cheating the unsuspecting newcomers, but they are cheating the entire universe out of being able to take shelter at SP’s lotus feet!
[PADA: Correct. People like Patita Pavan das, Bhakta das, the Gaudiya Matha folks etc., they are enabling the GBC’s gurus to continue with their cheating, by promoting these cheaters as gurus.]
Had they kept SP at the center of this movement, most likely tens of millions of jivas would have taken shelter of this movement by now. Srila Prabhupada stated, “if the leaders follow strictly [his instructions], this movement will spread like wildfire.” It is most disheartening and most offensive for Patita [and others] to reject, and to contradict SP’s clear and well documented instructions on the ritvik-arrangement by quoting one of SP’s godbrothers.
Toronto, 9 Nov. 1975
“My dear Visvakarma das,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that ALL my disciples should avoid ALL of my God brothers. They should not have ANY dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them.”
Those ‘first generation’ Prabhupada disciples who have rejected SP’s ‘final order’, are usually those who are either extremely envious and ambitious, or often those who disobeyed SP’s orders not to associate with his devious God brothers.
Bhakta das and Patita’s claim that the ‘ritviks’ are impersonalists and atheists, as well as a cancer on the Sampradaya is a MOST outrageous and a MOST offensive direct attack on Srila Prabhupada.
Actually, what Patita endorses, the present iskcon guru tattva position, THAT is impersonalism and IT is a cancer on the Sampradaya!
The spiritual master and the body that he manifests in this material realm are to be worshiped, to be considered on the same level as the Supreme Lord. Just like red hot iron is considered fire, the body of the “bona fide” spiritual master is considered spiritual. In several letters SP stated that he IS present in his picture, therefor the worship of his picture, or murti is non-different from worshiping SP directly.
SP is personally present to accept the worship, to accept the bhoga that is being offered to his pictures.
In all iskcon centers, as well as in the homes of the “disciples” of iskcon’s “gurus” arotics and offerings of bhoga are being performed to pictures of conditioned souls. Those individuals are NOT present in their pictures, they are NOT there to accept the offerings. All there is on the ‘altar’, is a piece of paper with pigments on it depicting the material form of a conditioned soul.
A body made of material elements, combined only to resemble the shape of a real person. The ‘material’ body is NOT the person! So, I firmly belief that since neither the pictures, nor the actual material bodies of conditioned souls posing as gurus are ‘spiritual’, are they to be accepted as ‘persons’ [what to speak of being spiritual masters]. Therefore, such very practice must be considered “idol worship”, and that actually is “impersonalism”! Propogating the belief that conditioned souls [bodies], many of them guilty of behaviors not even acceptable by “karmis”, are to be worshiped as good as the Supreme Lord, THAT I feel is a “cancer on the Sampradaya”!
“One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari [the highest stage of spiritual realization] ” (The Nectar of Instruction, text 5, purport)
“There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with non-devotees to preach. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 22.71, purport]
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the
post of a guru.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 24.330, purport)
“It is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. […] Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Krishna, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is 7.14, purport, 1972 ed.)
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord […]” Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 4.42, purport)
“A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been directly spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 5.71, purport)
“You are correct when you say that when the Spiritual Master speaks it should be taken that Krishna is speaking. That is a fact. A Spiritual Master must be liberated.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)
“…. such an acarya, or spiritual master, should be considered non-different from Krishna, that is, he should be considered the incarnation of Lord Krishna’s potency. Such a personality is Krsnalingita-vigraha, that is, he is always embraced by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna […] He is the guru, or spiritual
master, for the entire world, a devotee on the topmost platform, the maha-bhagavata stage, and a paramahamsa-thakura, a spiritual form only fit to be addressed as paramahamsa or thakura.” (Sri Caitanya-
caritamrta, Madhya-lila 25.9, purport)
“Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance […] So to summarize the whole thing, it is to be understood that a bona fide Spiritual Master is a resident of Krishna Loka.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10th, 1969)
“One should understand the Spiritual Master to be as good as I am, said the Blessed Lord […] `the Spiritual Master is the sum total of all demigods. That is, the acarya has been identified with God Himself.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture, February 1936)
“The spiritual master, or acarya, is always situated in the spiritual status of life. Birth, death, old age and disease do not affect him […] therefore, after the disappearance of an acarya, his body is never burnt to ashes, for it is a spiritual body. The spiritual body is always unaffected by material conditions.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.4.20, purport)
“The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Krishna and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of
Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvenasa. […] As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 10.136, purport)
“Unless one takes shelter of a bonafide, fully Krsna conscious spiritual master, there is no chance of understanding Krsna… ….Only one who has surrendered to a pure devotee of Krsna can understand Krsna.” [SB 7-5-32]
“Unless one is initiated by a bonafide spiritual master, ALL his devotional activities are USELESS. A person who is not properly initiated can again descend into the animal species.” [Madhya Lila 15 .
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called dikshan-vidhana. [SB 4.8.54]
“A siksa guru [instructing guru or priest] who instructs against the instructions of the spiritual master he is not a siksa guru. He is a demon! Sometimes the diksa guru [initiating guru] is not present always. Therefor one can take learning, instructions from an advanced devotee. That is called siksa-guru. But siksa-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the diksa-guru. He is not a siksa-guru. He is a rascal. Because that is offense. Guru avajna, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So, one who is offensive, how can he make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished, in the beginning!” [Bg. 17:1-3, 07-4-74, Hawaii]
“Guru cannot be self-made. No. There is NO such single instance throughout the whole vedic literature.
And nowadays, so many rascals they are becoming guru without any authority. That is NOT guru. You MUST be authorized!” [Bg. 4.2]
“As for your next question, can only a pure devotee deliver others, … anyone if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he is on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will go to hell, like the blind man leading the blind.” [letter to Tusta Krsna dasa, 12-14-72]
“Therefore, having a bona fide spiritual master and serving him, and pleasing him, and getting his mercy is essential. Otherwise there can be NO advancement in Krsna consciousness. And unless the spiritual master is a pure devotee of Krsna, then he has no potency to give Krsna. He is simply a cheating rascal!
So, in fact, above all the rules and regulations and offenses I have mentioned, the most important thing, the essential thing, which is required, if you want to come to the stage of purely chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, is, you MUST have a bonafide spiritual master, who is a pure devotee of Krsna. Without having a bona fide spiritual master you can chant Hare Krsna forever, but will not be able to advance, because Krsna does not reveal Himself in this way. He ONLY reveals Himself to those devotees who surrender to, and serve, and please His pure devotee!” [letter to his London disciples, July 1969]
“Unless one takes shelter of a bona fide, fully Krsna conscious spiritual master, there is no chance of understanding Krsna…. Only one who has surrendered to a pure devotee of Krsna , and has taken the dust of his lotus feet can understand Krsna….. One must take shelter of a self-realized spiritual master, that is the way to return home, back to Godhead.” [SB 7.5.32 purport]
“It is illegal to become a spiritual master if one is unable to deliver the disciple”. [S.B. 28.7]
Satsvarupa Maharaja:”Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, PARTICULAR AT THE TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US . We want to know how initiations would be conducted.”
Srila Prabhupada: “Yes, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya.” [ ‘Officiating’ is the performance of a function on behalf of another]
Tamal Krsna Maharaja: “Is that called ritvik-acarya?”
Srila Prabhupada: “Ritvik. Yes“.
Gopta, the leaders of iskcon, the gbc, the sanyasis, and most of all, the “gurus”, they have rejected outright a multitude of Srila Prabhupada’s orders: “The order NOT to change his books; the order to sign the ‘Oath of Allegience’; the order not to associate with his God brothers; the order to implement the “DOM”; the order to create self-sufficient farming communities; and most of all the order to continue the “ritvik initiation” process “Henceforth”.
Outright rejection of, and even contradicting the orders, the very teachings of ones spiritual master I belief to the ultimate act of “being critical”, of “finding fault” with the Acarya. And the following is what Srila Bhaktisiddhanta says of those who engage in such behavior:
“I do not want to see the faces of vile persons who criticize my Gurudeva, or who support those who criticize him. They are the cause of all inauspiciousness.”
“May I never see the wicked face of that evil person who maligns [defames] the lotus feet of my Sri Gurudeva, or anyone who countenances [supports, approves] such a slanderer.”
So, Gopta, do I want to engage with Patita in a debate on this issue? No, I don’t think it would serve any purpose. Even if Srila Prabhupada gave me the intelligence, the right words and arguments to “defeat” Patita, I don’t belief he would accept it. It would be like ‘casting pearls before swines’.
This subject has been expertly debated and presented for years by prabhus much more qualified than me, and I am sure Patita, Bhakta Dasa, and all the other “enablers” have seen all the evidence,and they have heard all that can be said on this issue. Yet, they won’t accept. “It is simple for the simple, and crooked for the crooked!”
It is ironic, the person Patita quotes, to support his argument, HH Puri Maharaja, not only had he publicly stated that iskcon’s gurus are not “qualified” for their posts, but Puri Maharaja also can be heard on one of Siddhanta dasa’s “Memory” tapes confirming Srila Prabhupada ordering for”ritviks” to succeed him after his departure.
In the debate on facebook, when confronted with the argument that over forty iskcon “gurus] have already ‘fallen down’, all Patita came back with is that this does not mean that ‘they’ are all unqualified. He is hereby proclaiming that Srila Prabhupada set up a system of “transcendental Russian Roulette”, whereby the aspiring initiates in iskcon are to select a guru, while keeping their fingers crossed, hoping they chose one who is not going to fall down. Pure insanity, I say!
One of the main arguments of those rejecting the ‘ritvik’ system of initiations, is that it is “against tradition”, that it is not part of our Sampradaya. And that Srila Prabhupada would never ‘break’ tradition. Never mind that he did, and that the Acarya has the authority to do so!
Instead, those ney-sayers insist that Srila Prabhupada set up a system by which unqualified, conditioned souls, still posessing unspeakable anarthas [pedophelia, homosexual behavior, whore-mongering, adultery, thieving, lying, and even the murdering of Vaisnavas, including the poisoning of their own spiritual master], that SP wanted such individuals to continue the disciplic succession, to continue being Acaryas in the Sampradaya. Is that the tradion, the behavior of spiritual masters in our, or any Sampradaya?
So, if Srila Prabhupada was faced with making some “practical” adjustment in the “tradition” of our Sampradaya, it shouldn’t be difficult at all, which one he would choose!
I personally was there when Rohini Kumar Swami [one of iskcon’s fallen gurus] related being present, in New York, when Srila Prabhupada was asked by a reporter, “who is going to be the next Acarya?” And Rohini Kumara told us that SP’s answer was, “After me there won’t be another Acarya.”
Hoping this finds you in progressing Krsna consciousness,
your friend, Padmagarbha dasa
pamho agtACBSP,thank you for letting us to know because not everyone knows these so called out of cast astrologers as patita pavana maitreya rishi etc.. without any background history regarding the two sciences of the learned bramanik saintly people in india is that they naturally know the science of jotyrveda and Ayurveda since birth,of course in the western countries there are only cheaters because is not easy to find a very learned vedic astrologer from birth even in india they are doing a lot of mental speculation as we can see from the evidence of this article above,they are cheaters and I know personally many of them including patita pavana because at that time we were devotes full time living in the temple in north Italy under the guru hoaxers revolution it was the year 1985,illegal astrologers from meleccha sthan can see beyond the time a real astrologer like SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKUR is tri kala jnana it means he can see what is within the time and without the time,the main point is that jivo jivasya jivanam through fake yotishi and gurus is stronger in the west countries because almost everyone born without vaisnava family background and the new generation of devotees born from them are still follow the same western life style because of their own guna and karma which need to be renew by practicing the instructions of our guru maharaj constantly but people who disappointing the ritvik system left by SRILA PRABHUPADA like dusyanta fake guru and astrologers like patita pavana must be rejected because they already been punished to live in that miserable condition I mean in blindness by not be able to recognize the own business and spiritual food and mistake it through their polluted senses imperfected because they are cheating therefore they will get cheated too by the same own jailed gunas and karma which reflect all their rubbish within their misconducts,agtSP ys haribol
Wow…….. this Patita Pavan and his associate, the woman astrologer and others do promote in their writing of Srila Prabhupada’s horoscope as a Sagittarius rising sign born which strongly depicts Srila Prabhupada as a mundane scholar and philosopher.
I have challenged them on the Sun Sampardaya with all the explanation as to why Srila Prabhupada is not a Sagittarian whereas He is born with the rising sign of CAPRICORN which signifies totally flawless Spiritual personality.
Interested readers can search and read my explanation of the challenge on Sun Sampardaya.
The reason why they are misleading people is that they have vested interest in their astrology business. They are only interested for a profit. That is all. That is how they are misleading people and rejecting Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on the Guru issue as well.
More later.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Rama,
pamho AGTSP
When Patita Pavana needed money for his bulgaria visa, he asked for donations on his newsletter and immediately some of the bogus Gurus were sending him cash(he needed like 5000$ if I remeber correctly, it will be in the old newsletters). So we can see how this material dependance has lead many to betray Srila Prabhupada’s real order. It is much like the Mahabharata, many sided with the enemies of the Pandavas, because they were getting their bread from the enemies of Krishna.
I personally know a devotee who was mislead to associate with ISKCONs bogus Gurus by Patita Pavana Das, after the falldown of former bogus Guru Dasanudasa Dasa. I warned Patita Pavana already around 2 years ago, that Srila Prabhupada is the only Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter, but he is so offensive that he calls Srila Prabhupada’s direct written final order “Mayavadi”.
We have done our duty and told the truth.
Now it is up to Krishna to deal with these misleaders.
Of course it is unfortunate to see new devotees getting cheated by a bogus disciple of Srila Prabhupada, 2 times, but what can we do? They do not accept the truth after more than 30 years and now the damage is done…
Greetings
It may interest readers who have interest in Srila Prabhupada Astrology:
75-12-06. Letter: Jay Krishna Thakura
Yes I remember you were coming to see me daily at Bhaktivedanta Manor during my stay there in 1973. REGARDING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MY BIRTH. I WAS BORN SEPTEMBER 1, 1896, TUESDAY AT ABOUT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. MY RASI IS METTHUNA.
The “news letter” put out by PP and associates are like the braying of asses or the howling of jackals, very inauspicious to say the least. so a word of caution …… do not look at or read it or you will suffer the consequences, like hearing the scriptures being recited by mayavadis (in fact he is a vapuvadi !). “Devotees” like him are destined for the very dark regions of hell for how they are misleading the people. Me and my family will not waste our time on his “rag”.
Ys, o.f.s.
Bhakta Robin: When Patita Pavana needed money for his bulgaria visa, he asked for donations on his newsletter and immediately some of the bogus Gurus were sending him cash(he needed like 5000$ if I remeber correctly, it will be in the old newsletters). So we can see how this material dependance has lead many to betray Srila Prabhupada’s real order. It is much like the Mahabharata, many sided with the enemies of the Pandavas, because they were getting their bread from the enemies of Krishna.
Mahesh: these sort of people have NO MORALS – AT ALL!!! They will side with whoever feeds them MONEY. Bhakta das, Dusyanta etc are all peas in a pod. They have VESTED INTEREST this is WHY they are against Ritvik System. They want the CONDITIONED SOUL BABOONS instead of Srila Prabhupada as DIksa guru in ISKCON BECAUSE of MONEY SCREWING AND SLAVERY MAKING just look at Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts Salary UPTO 60,000 POUNDS for the MONEY SCREWERS:
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
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http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
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Regards Bhakta das – we hear he lives in Thailand has connection with Mayapur and the bogus CONDITIONED SOUL gurus. Some say he supplies these bogus conditioned soul “gurus” with PROSTITUTES IN THAILAND FOR MONEY. True or not – let devotees find out.
Hare Rama,
pamho AGTSP
@Mahesh Raja
I am not an astrology expert.
As far as I understand vedic astrology uses different parameters.
Rashi might either refer to a rising sign(Lagna) or a Moon Sign.
So the “75-12-06. Letter: Jay Krishna Thakura” probably refers to Srila Prabhupada’s moon sign(Mithuna/Gemini http://www.astrogyan.com/rashi_character_intro/indian_astrology_rashi_character_index.html).
If you ask me all this can not be resolved, because in Kali Yuga everybody is a sudra and the vedic science is mostly lost, so nobody can determine who is a bona fide astrologer. This is why all this cheating in the name of astrology is going on, how should the laymen tell if the astrologer is a cheater or not?
This was another quote I found on vedabase:
“Bhṛgu-saṁhitā speaks of past, present and future. My horoscope was, after seventy, I would go open temples. The limitation was eighty years. So if I live through this, it is the special influence of Kṛṣṇa. An extension. Dr. Chandrik Bose used to publish a paper in which a very famous astrologer would write. Dr. Bose’s son was in Germany, so Dr. Bose asked the astrologer to fix a date of return to India for his son. The astrologer, Sundar Mohan Bhattacharya, a rigid brāhmaṇa, said, ‘Your son will not return. He has to go to a hill station.’ The next letter came from the son, and he said, ‘I am attacked, spinal tuberculosis, and am going to Switzerland.’ There was such a qualified caste of brāhmaṇas. Nanda Mahārāja used to call them, and he was sure if such a brāhmaṇa blessed my son, he will be all right.’ Now everyone is śūdra. It is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s mercy, ceto darpana marjanam. No qualification; let them chant. Therefore, Rupa Goswami has said, ‘Namo mahā-vadānyāya, kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te.’ Instead of making a brāhmaṇa, he is bestowed with Kṛṣṇa prema. In the beginning there is no use of so many rituals. One will not be able to follow them. Just Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then automatically the other things will follow.” [Not confirmed only secodary evidence from Tamal Krishnas Diary]
“Prabhupāda: Natural sequence…. Just like you are infected, some contaminous disease. You’ll suffer. There is a story that one fool was sitting on a branch of a tree and he was cutting off. And somebody said, “You’ll fall down.” “Ha, fall down.” But when he fell down he said, “Oh, you are a great astrologer.” So who goes to the astrologer? Only fools and rascal. No sane man goes. They know that what is…. Yad bhavyantam tad bhavata.(?) What is to happen, that will happen. Why shall I go to astrologer?
Gurukṛpā: I can prepare myself to make change.
Prabhupāda: Yes. My only business is to serve Kṛṣṇa. I don’t mind what will happen next.”
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So in case of a liberated person like Srila Prabhupada there is not much interest in astrology, because he is not controlled by the Trigunas and acts according to his own desire in the service of the Lord.
In the case of us ordinary devotees, instead of wasting money on the astrologer, we should do Sadhana to remove the karma that causes our problem.
Also many devotees(I was cheated the same way) now wear Kavachas sold by astrologers and brahmins:
““Viśāla,” said Brahmānanda Swami, “what’s that you have around your neck?” When Viśāla told him, Brahmānanda Swami replied, “Prabhupāda says we don’t have to add anything to this process.” At these words Viśāla became disturbed. He thought that Brahmānanda Swami was right and he also felt embarrassed.
“Why are you wearing this?” Brahmānanda Swami demanded. Viśāla replied that he would like to talk to Prabhupāda and he asked if he could have an appointment.
When Viśāla went to see Prabhupāda, Śrīla Prabhupāda asked him how much he had paid the astrologer and what he had said. Viśāla said the astrologer had claimed the charm would ward off the ill effects of the planets.
“Kṛṣṇa consciousness is beyond astrology,” said Prabhupāda. “If you surrender to Kṛṣṇa, with a slight kick Kṛṣṇa can annihilate 100,000 Rāhu planets.” So Viśāla put aside his astrological neckpiece and just depended on Prabhupāda and Kṛṣṇa.
Soon after, a Godbrother showed Viśāla a letter he had received from Prabhupāda about the same subject matter:
“Astrology will not save you at the time of death. My Guru Maharaja was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such things.”
Viśālinī-devī dāsī, interview; letter to Sanātana dāsa, June 3, 1975.”
[secondary evidence from Vedabase 2003 SPN 3-47]
I was there in 1990 when the astrologer who owns the Mayflower Bookstore in Berkley, Michigan, USA predicted the downfall of the Soviet Union. But the ISKCON so-called astrologers didn’t have a clue! Judge by the result!
Bhakta Robin: If you ask me all this can not be resolved, because in Kali Yuga everybody is a sudra and the vedic science is mostly lost, so nobody can determine who is a bona fide astrologer.
Mahesh: I agree – to find some genuine astrologer who ACTUALLY knows Bhrgu-samhita is a big problem. In Lord Krsna’s time there were self-realized souls like Garga Muni type of people who KNEW but now in Kali-yuge practically all the astrologers tend to SPECULATE. Srila Prabhupada did not want devotees wasting time on Astrology. Our time is short – best to hear Srila Prabhupada as much as possible read his books and try and serve him.
Adi 17.104 The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth
Through astrology one can know past, present and future. Modern Western astrologers have no knowledge of the past or future, nor can they perfectly say anything about the present. Herein we find, however, that after hearing Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s order, the astrologer immediately began his calculations. This was not a facade; he actually knew how to ascertain one’s past life through astrology. A still-existing treatise called the Bhrgu-samhita describes a system by which anyone can immediately get information about what he was in the past and what he is going to be in the future.
75-01-09. Letter: Devamaya
Regarding astrology, you should not listen to any of these so-called astrologers–strictly avoid. Don’t even see them. What is the use of seeing them? Astrology is meant for the materialist, but a spiritualist does not care for the future. Everything is dependent upon Krishna. So where is the necessity of astrology? The devotees’ principle is, let there happen anything as Krishna desires. Let me remain sincere devotee, that’s all. Pure devotee is never interested in this astrology.
All the Rishis and Munis know and understand the Joytiish Veda and Ayurveda which is a part of the karm kanda section of the Vedas.
Since there is no such disciplic succession in this field of the knowledge of the Joytish Veda, therefore, the knowledge of the Brighu Sastra has been lost and scattered every where which is very difficult to pin point what is bona fide and what is not bona fide.
In the present days, the commentary on this Joytish Vidya are also based on the knowledge of the commentator. That is why there are different of opinion at every angle in the approach of understanding this knowledge of the Joytish Vidya.
In order to confirm the reading of the Joytish practitioner one must verify the information with the person whose horoscope the Joytish Practitioner is reading which depends upon ones’ time of birth, date of birth and place of birth. After reading such natal chart ( Lagna chart )under which planetary influence the native is born , one can decipher the information from the horoscope and verify same with the person if the information is correct in the life of that person.
That such information is widely available when Srila Prabhupada said ; ” His Moon sign is Mithuna/Gemini at the time of his birth which is 4 pm.approximately on Sept. 01, 1896 in Calcutta.” More over, Srila Prabhupada’s Personal, Professional and Family details ( including material and spiritual life ) are also available. So based on this information, one can erect the horoscope (Lagna) chart and read from it to verify with the whole life history of HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
That is what I did and explained in details in my various writings at the Sun Sampradaya when I exposed the reading of Patita Pavan and challenged to his associate ( Mudra devi dasi ) the astrologer that the rising Lagna sign of Srila Prabhupada is indeed CAPRICORN not a Sagittarius.
So, my point is that through the limited knowledge of the Joytish Vidya available, one can ascertain and know the road map of ones life what lies ahead ONLY if one can find an expert Joytish Vidya Practitioner.
That is the reason why I learned a little bit of this Joytish Vidya- knowledge by myself through various sources because I was in a materially FIX, full of problems and no astrologer guided me properly. I am not desirous of learning in advancing my knowledge toward the Joytish Vidya at all.
Why, you may ask ?
It is because by the Grace of HDG. Srila Prabhupada and His VANI I am able to tolerate the material sufferings at my advanced age and am trying to cultivate KC. as per my ability and capability in the association of like minded Sanga by visiting this site and sharing my insights.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
pamho amara puri prabhu agtACBSP,thank for letting us to know that SRILA PRABHUPADA rising sign was Capricorn,i didn’t know about that even if I was feeling that,i’m Capricorn rising sign virgo with the blessing of hamsa yoga in my Vedic birth chart,hopelly I should get the lotus feet of our guru maharaj because I feel a lot of attraction for HIS vani seva,thank you prabhu agtys ys acsd haribol