Mahesh Raja: Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru

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1. marica says:

   17. May 2014 at 6:27 am

   Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu !

   I am reading your article only very sowly . It is very-very good. Now I have a question:

   page 7
   “Note: When Krsna is TRANSFERRED FROM Pure devotees HEART to another Pure devotee
   then there is DIKSA. …”

   But the Madhyama adhikári is not pure devotee. Is there a contradiction, or no ?

   “Note: When Krsna comes into the heart of sincere soul AT THE STAGE OF MADHYAMA ADHIKARI BY DIKSA FROM MAHABHAGAVATA he SEES Krsna and his SVARUPA is revealed in the heart. Kanistha can NOT transfer Krsna into your
   heart. Madhyama is A RECEPIENT.”

   Hare Krsna,
   ys marica

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   Hare Krsna! Marica

   No contradiction. The whole philosophy is simultaneous oneness and difference.
   “Pure” in Madhyama adhikari is used in terms of context:

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   Virabhadra: In the asrama, and before that when you said that a brahmana is… Do you mean, when you say brahmana, do you mean… I mean are they… the devotees who are not pure but…
   Prabhupada: Yes, they’re also pure devotees because they’re following my instruction. Just like a technician, he is expert, but somebody is assisting him. So the assistants, because they are following the instruction of the expert, therefore their work is also complete. So it is not necessarily that one has to become pure devotee immediately. Just like we are also following the instruction of our spiritual master. I don’t claim that I am pure devotee or perfect, but my only qualification is that I am trying to follow the instruction of the perfect. Similarly… This is called disciplic succession. Just like here it is stated that Krsna is the original spiritual master and Arjuna is the original student. So Arjuna said that sarvam etad rtam manye yad vadasi kesava. “My dear Krsna, whatever You are saying, I accept in toto,” in the Tenth Chapter. “I don’t make…” Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan says, “It is not to Krsna, it is something else.” He does not
   accept in that way. He says that “Whatever You are saying, I accept it. You are saying that You are the Supreme, I accept it. I don’t say that You have got a separate thing within. That is Supreme, You are not Supreme, as person.” This is impersonalist. They do not know that Krsna has no such… A conditioned soul… Just like we are, I am different from my soul. “I am” means my body, or I am soul, different from the body. So Krsna has no such differentiation. He does not know that. Because he’s not following Krsna, the perfect spiritual master. He’s following some rascal spiritual master. Therefore he has this mistake. But if we follow Arjuna and Krsna, then we get the perfect knowledge. We may not be cent percent perfect, but as far as possible, if we follow the instruction as it is, that much perfect. In this way one will get perfection.
   So one has to follow. The same example, try to understand, that a perfect, expert technologist or technician or mechanic is working, and somebody is working under his instruction. So this somebody, because he is strictly working under the instruction of the expert, he’s also expert. He may not be cent percent expert, but his work is expert. Is that clear? Because he is working under the expert. Do you follow? So if you follow pure devotee, then you are also pure devotee. It may not be one is cent percent pure. Because we are trying to raise ourself from the conditional life. But if we strictly follow the pure devotee, then we are also pure devotee. So far we do, that is pure. So pure devotee does not mean one has to become immediately cent percent pure. But if he sticks to the principle that “We’ll follow a pure devotee,” then his actions are… He is as good as a pure devotee. It is not I am explaining in my own way. It is the explanation of
   Bhagavata. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. We have to follow the footprints of pure devotees. It is said that tarkah apratisthah. If you want to become pure by your arguments and logic, that is not possible. I may be defeated by another strong man who is stronger in argument than me, so this is not the way of becoming purified, tarka, simply arguing. Tarkah apratisthah smrtayo vibhinnah. Srutayah, scriptures. Suppose somebody sticks to the scriptures. So scriptures, there are different types of scripture. So they are vibhinna. Vibhinna means different types. So how we can become purified by, even by following the scriptures? Tarko ‘pratisthah smrtayo vibhinna na casav rsir yasya matam na bhinnam. Muni means thoughtful, philosophers. If we follow a particular type of philosopher, that is also not perfect because I may be under the care of a philosopher, frog philosopher. So that is also not sure. Tarko ‘pratisthah smrtayo vibhinna na casav rsir yasya
   matam na bhinnam, dharmasya tattvam nihitam guhayam.

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2. marica says:

   17. May 2014 at 6:33 am

   Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu !

   “6) Note: It is SUCCESSION MEANS to SUCCEED Srila Prabhupada is the LAST name in Disciplic Succession of ACARYAS: SB 3.29.17 P Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila … ”

   KK Prabhu wrote :10000 years,
   you writes :”Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet ” and “for FUTURE generations OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS”

   Did Srila Prabhupada say 10000 years ?

   Hare Krsna,
   ys marica

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   Mahesh Raja Prabhu:

   Ten Thousand Years

   SB 8.5.23 P The Demigods Appeal to the Lord for Protection
   When Krsna appeared, He gave His orders, and when Krsna Himself appeared as a devotee, as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He showed us the path by which to cross the ocean of Kali-yuga. That is the path of the Hare Krsna movement. When Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared, He ushered in the era for the sankirtana movement. It is also said that for ten thousand years this era will continue. This means that simply by accepting the sankirtana movement and chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, the fallen souls of this Kali-yuga will be delivered. After the Battle of Kuruksetra, at which Bhagavad-gita was spoken, Kali-yuga continues for 432,000 years, of which only 5,000 years have passed. Thus there is still a balance of 427,000 years to come. Of these 427,000 years, the 10,000 years of the sankirtana movement inaugurated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu 500 years ago provide the opportunity for the fallen souls of Kali-yuga to take to the Krsna consciousness movement, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and thus be delivered from the clutches of material existence and return home, back to Godhead.

   Antya 3.50 The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura
   From this statement by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu we can clearly understand that the word yavana does not refer only to a particular class of men. Anyone who is against the behavior of the Vedic principles is called a yavana. Such a yavana may be in India or outside of India. As described here, the symptom of yavanas is that they are violent killers of cows and brahminical culture. We offer our prayers to the Lord by saying, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya ca. The Lord is the maintainer of brahminical culture. His first concern is to see to the benefit of cows and brahmanas. As soon as human civilization turns against brahminical culture and allows unrestricted killing of cows, we should understand that men are no longer under the control of the Vedic culture but are all yavanas and mlecchas. It is said that the Krsna consciousness movement will be prominent within the next ten thousand years, but after that people will all become mlecchas and yavanas. Thus at the end of the yuga, Krsna will appear as the Kalki avatara and kill them without consideration.

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   Prabhupada: No. Hare Krsna will be finished within ten thousand years. There will be no more Hare Krsna.
   Allen Ginsberg: Ah. So what will be left?
   Prabhupada: Nothing. Left will be I’ll kill you and eat you, and you shall kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left.
   Allen Ginsberg: After ten thousand years?
   Prabhupada: Yes. There will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating. (laughter) Full facility. Krsna is very kind. He’ll give you facility: “All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely.” Just like serpents, snakes, they eat their own offsprings, tigers. So this will happen.
   Allen Ginsberg: Kali eats her own…
   Prabhupada: Yes. And there will be no brain to understand, no preacher, nothing else. Go. Go to, to the dog. And then Krsna will come: “All right, let me kill you so that you are saved.” So…
   Allen Ginsberg: But you see it as actually a historical thing of ten thousand years for the chanting, of the diminishing chanting of…
   Prabhupada: Yes. These are…
   Allen Ginsberg: Well, then do you think more people will chant Hare Krsna or fewer?
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes. More people. Now it will increase.
   Allen Ginsberg: Until?
   Prabhupada: Up to ten thousand years.
   Allen Ginsberg: And then?
   Prabhupada: Then diminish.
   Allen Ginsberg: So what is the purpose of right now, a world increase…
   Prabhupada: People will take advantage of this up to ten thousand years. Then they will…
   Allen Ginsberg: So this is like the last rope, the last gasp.
   Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. So the sooner we take to shelter, shelter of Krsna consciousness, is better.
   Allen Ginsberg: Well, then, according to Vedic theory, when did this yuga begin? According to this Vedic theory… Or… This is sastra?
   Prabhupada: Yes.
   Allen Ginsberg: When did this yuga…?
   Prabhupada: Begin from this Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He introduced five hundred years ago, and it will continue now.
   Hayagriva: Kali-yuga.
   Prabhupada: Kali-yuga has begun five thousand years ago.
   Allen Ginsberg: Began five thousand years ago.
   Kirtanananda: But this wave within Kali-yuga, in which Hare Krsna increases and then diminishes, is about ten thousand years and that began five hundred years ago.
   Prabhupada: Kali-yuga, the duration of life of Kali-yuga is 432,000’s of years. Out of that, we have passed five thousand years. There is balance, 427,000’s of years. Out of that, ten thousand years is nothing.
   Allen Ginsberg: Where is all this?
   Prabhupada: Vedic literature.
   Allen Ginsberg: What…?
   Prabhupada: Padma Purana, Puranas.
   Allen Ginsberg: Bhagavata Purana.
   Prabhupada: Bhagavata Purana.
   Allen Ginsberg: Has the detailed analysis of what goes on within the Kali-yuga?
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, yes. I’ll read you sometimes.
   Allen Ginsberg: There are translations of that. There are some translations of that.
   Prabhupada: Yes. In the Twelfth Canto, the Kali-yuga descriptions are there.
   Allen Ginsberg: Twelfth Canto.
   Prabhupada: Twelfth Canto. And you will find that all the descriptions are coming to be true. Just like there is one statement, svikaram eva udvahe: “Marriage will be performed simply by agreement.” Now that is being done. And lavanyam kesa-dharanam: “People will think that he has become very beautiful by keeping bunch of hairs.” That is coming true. These are written there. All things are there in Bhagavata history.
   Allen Ginsberg: Well, in the Bhagavata Purana is there also provision for the Caitanya cult?
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam. We have given that in that book, our Teachings of Lord Caitanya. That is the first quotation there.
   Allen Ginsberg: So it’s on this quotation from Bhagavata Purana that Caitanya built His system?
   Prabhupada: No, no. That is program, already presented, and He came to execute the program. Just like our meeting is already programmed. I come and execute it. That’s all. That was previous. Clearly it is said, ” ‘In the Kali-yuga the Supreme Lord comes as one who always chants the holy name of Sri Krsna, who is Sri Krsna Himself, whose complexion is yellow.’ Srimad-Bhagavatam, Eleventh Canto, Fifth Chapter, 32nd verse.”
   Allen Ginsberg: It’s in there.
   Prabhupada: So we have accepted Lord Caitanya as Krsna not fanatically. There are evidence in Mahabharata, in Upanisads, in Puranas, in Bhagavata, in all Vedic scripture.
   Allen Ginsberg: Well, then, within this period of ten thousand years, only those who hear Krsna’s name and worship Krsna by chanting…
   Prabhupada: Yes. Kirtanad eva krsnasya mukta-sangah param vrajet. That is also stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam.
   Allen Ginsberg: So only those who practice Krsna chanting can attain moksa.
   Prabhupada: They become immediately liberated and go back to home, back to Godhead.
   Allen Ginsberg: And everybody else gets involved deeper and deeper in the yuga.
   Prabhupada: Yes, yes, yes. So if anyone believes in the sastras, they should take to this Krsna consciousness. That is intelligence, to take advantage of authorized scriptures. You’ll find in the Bhagavata, There is a history of Candragupta, and “The Yavanas will become kings.” That means English occupation, Mohammedan occupation. Everything is there. And Buddha’s appearance, kikatesu bhavisyati. Kikatesu means in the Bihar province in India. Bhavisyati. Because Bhagavata Purana was written five thousand years ago, and Lord Buddha appeared about 2,600 years ago. So therefore it is stated, bhavisyati: “In future, just in the beginning of Kali-yuga, Lord will appear as Buddha. His mother’s name will be Anjana, and his business will be to cheat the atheists.”
   Allen Ginsberg: To cheat the atheists.
   Prabhupada: Yes. Sammohaya sura-dvisam. Sura-dvisam means atheists. Surat. Sura-dvisam means those who are envious of Lord’s devotees. That means atheist. So to bewilder them. What is that bewildering? This atheist class, they became so much absorbed in this animal-killing, they forgot everything about God. So they said, “What is God? We don’t mind.” So Lord Buddha says, “Yes, there is no God.” Lord’s philosophy is: “There is no God. Void. There is no God. But what I say, you follow. Yes. That’s all right.” But he is God. Is it not cheating?
   Allen Ginsberg: Yes, except that he claims to be neither God nor not God.
   Prabhupada: Huh? But he never said that “I am God.” He said there is no God.
   Allen Ginsberg: No. He doesn’t say there’s no God either. He says…
   Prabhupada: That’s it. That’s anyway.
   Allen Ginsberg: He says, all conceptions of the existence of the self, as well as all conceptions of the nonexistence of the self, as well as all conceptions of the existence of a supreme self, as well as all conceptions of the nonexistence of the supreme self are equally arbitrary, being only conceptions.
   Prabhupada: Yes. That is a jugglery of words. So his principle was that they did not believe in God. So still the Buddhists says, “You don’t believe in God.” So but they are worshiping God, Lord Buddha. There are so many temples. In the same way, as we worship. So this is transcendental cheating.
   Allen Ginsberg: Transcendental cheating.
   Prabhupada: (chuckling) Just like sometimes father has to cheat his child. That is not cheating. That is welfare. But apparently it (looks) likes cheating. A child is insistent on some point. “Yes, yes. You are all right. But you do this like this. Yes, you are very good boy.” Like that. But Vaisnava, in Vaisnava literature, in Vedic literature, he is God. The godless worshiping God in a different way. If there is nothing, why they should worship Buddha even?
   Allen Ginsberg: They don’t… Well, strictly speaking, one does not worship Buddha.
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes, they have many big, big temples in Burma and Japan.

   730722rc.lon Conversations
   Prabhupada: The politicians, they (say that) “These books are useless. Throw them in the water.” They say like that publicly. They are not interested. Rather, this movement, as I have now began with my disciples, European, American boys, they’re… They are not very satisfied, the present politicians. They are not very satisfied. They don’t want. Everywhere this, more or less the same mentality, but it is our duty on behalf of Krsna to push on this movement. So we are doing, and we are getting response. It is not without response. It will increase. That is also stated, that for ten thousand years Krsna consciousness movement will increase. Yes.
   Syamasundara: Ten thousand years.
   Prabhupada: Within ten thousand years, if they become Krsna conscious, then life is successful. After ten thousand years, the gloomy picture of Kali-yuga will come. Still there is time. Ten thousand years is not small period. So we have passed five thousand years. So still ten thousand. We have got to the fifteen thousand years. Kali-yuga’s duration of life is four hundred thousand, four hundred and twenty-seven thousand. Char-lakh murti saja. (?) Yes.

   760605mw.la Conversations
   Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, when I first came to this, to your movement, the first thing I was told is that Lord Caitanya’s movement in this age will, like a moon, rise for ten thousand years. I was told that number, ten thousand years. Is that true?
   Prabhupada: Hm.
   Ramesvara: And then after that, they will…
   Prabhupada: This movement will go for ten thousand years without any impediment.
   Ramesvara: So that means increasing, because it’s the nature of the spiritual energy.
   Prabhupada: It increases; you should take this opportunity. You work sincerely; it will increase, it will increase.
   Ramesvara: Ten thousand years, there is a good opportunity to…
   Prabhupada: Many fallen souls will be delivered back to home, back to Godhead.
   Tamala Krsna: Very encouraging.
   Ramesvara: You once said that Christianity will die out. We will be the only religion left.
   Prabhupada: I do not remember that.
   Ramesvara: Someone told me like that.
   Prabhupada: Christianity’s already dead. We are purchasing the churches.
   Tamala Krsna: That means dead.
   Hari-sauri: And their priests are coming to join us as well.
   Prabhupada: See, this temple, this was closed. There was no men. And now balcony. In the same place, the same countrymen. That is the proof. This building. These boys and girls and men, they are not imported from India.
   Tamala Krsna: They are formerly Christians and Jews.
   Prabhupada: Yes.
   Ramesvara: These demons that are trying to challenge us, they cannot stop our movement for ten thousand years.
   Prabhupada: What is their challenge? They have no, nothing to challenge. Unless they are violent. That much they can do, like demons.

   760611mw.la Conversations
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes, yes. Yes. Vietnam. It is proof. When the Vietnam is attacked, American soldiers, they began to fly, flee away, became afraid. Naturally. They were not soldiers. They have no fighting spirit. By force they have been made soldiers. Let them take to Krsna consciousness. America will be saved. (japa)
   Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, you said yesterday, or a few days ago, that this movement will go on unimpeded for ten thousand years, so…
   Prabhupada: Yes, provided we keep it uncontaminated. You should take this opportunity.
   Ramesvara: So after ten years we have gotten so many devotees and so many houses, so I can’t imagine how big this movement will be after ten thousand years.
   Prabhupada: Yes. You’ll get the government.
   Ramesvara: The whole world will be delivered?
   Prabhupada: Yad yad acarati sresthah. America will be the best; people will follow. They are already following–skyscraper building, that’s all. Any nation in the world, they are all aspiring to have skyscraper buildings. India has done? In Bombay?
   Ramesvara: Yes.
   Prabhupada: Full of skyscraper buildings. Now they are thinking this is opulence, skyscraper building. When you are giving it up, no more skyscraper building, the others are imitating. Just like in this quarter you cannot construct skyscraper building. They don’t want it. Now others are imitating: “Let us have skyscraper building like America.” (japa)
   Ramesvara: This building is only two stories, even though it has three windows.
   Prabhupada: No, no, why two story? There is ground floor, first floor, second floor, third floor.
   Ramesvara: One of the floors has two windows, top and bottom. But it’s just one floor. Someone went inside and looked.
   Prabhupada: Oh. Oh, that is not floor. There is no ceiling.
   Ramesvara: No, just three steps up.
   Prabhupada: Anyway…
   Ramesvara: All the instructions for the future–like you said that one day even we will have the government–how to run the government, everything is explained in your books.
   Prabhupada: Yes. I think like that. (laughs) Is there mention, “The slaughterhouse must stopped”?
   Ramesvara: You’ve given all the major policies for the future government, Krsna consciousness government.
   Prabhupada: Let us hope. (end)

   760621cr.tor Conversations
   Prabhupada: Yes. I never said that “You have to give up this, you have to do this.” Never said. Then gradually ceto-darpana-marjanam. When the heart becomes cleansed, then little. There is no hopelessness. So many people have come, and they are coming. Both black, white, everyone is coming. There is no question of (indistinct). But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Krsna movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on–in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on. That is your… (indistinct) And this movement is meant for these fourth-class, fifth-class, tenth-class men. Not this movement is fourth class, fifth class. They are so fallen that they cannot be counted even third class, fourth class–tenth-class of men. Deliver them. Patita-pavana-hetu tava avatara. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s incarnation is for delivering these classes of men. Caitanya Mahaprabhu never meant to start this movement for high-class brahmanas, sages, saintly persons–no. This class of men. For the all fallen. Don’t be disappointed, go on, go on. Stick to the principles. When there was no response, I did not know where to live, where to eat. Sometimes at Dr. Mishra’s, sometimes with some friend somewhere. Where to live. And I was going to inquire the shipping company when the next ship returning to India. Still I was renewing my visa: “Let us hope. Let us hope.” In this way, we started Second Avenue in month of July, I think?

   770121rc.bhu Conversations
   Hari-sauri: Is our goal to actually establish Vedic principles back into society again at large?
   Prabhupada: Yes.
   Ramesvara: Of course.
   Prabhupada: That will be Satya-yuga. Again the Vedic principles will be established after finishing this Kali-yuga. And that is Satya-yuga. That is going on. Just after summer, there is winter. There is… After winter, there is summer.
   Ramesvara: But this is extraordinary. Lord Caitanya’s movement, the ten thousand years of His movement, that is a special exception for the Kali-yuga.
   Prabhupada: Special for this millennium. But the thing is going on like that, rotating.
   Ramesvara: But in general, first it gets more and more degraded. Then it’s all finished.
   Prabhupada: Yes. Unless there is degradation, there is no question of improvement. So this is going on. This is nature’s way, bhutva bhutva praliyate, appearance and disappearance.
   Ramesvara: Now, this Krsna conscious government… Will many of the things that are going on in America, like schools and education, teaching people to read and write…
   Prabhupada: They’ll have to reform.
   Ramesvara: That will all continue, but it will be adjusted so that Krsna consciousness…
   Prabhupada: Yes, Gurukula, Gurukula education.
   Ramesvara: Still we’ll be teaching subjects like history and math.
   Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Without teaching, how the human society will exist? There must be.
   Hari-sauri: No, he’s talking about some of the subjects they teach now.
   Ramesvara: Material science as well as spiritual science?
   Prabhupada: No. No, no. There is no need of so-called material science–how to kill children in the womb. These things will be kicked out. Nonsense.
   Ramesvara: Do you think that they will adopt Indian medicine over Western medicine, things like that? Because there has to be some varnasrama.
   Prabhupada: No, medicine, if it is actually medicine, it will be accepted. It doesn’t matter whether it is Indian or Western. If it is medicine it will be accepted.
   Ramesvara: So that kind of research is in the mode of goodness.
   Prabhupada: That is already there. We have to make little research. It, already there. There are books, Ayurvedic books. They are very nice. Everything can be done. Dhanvantari. It is given by Dhanvantari avatara, incarnation of Krsna.
   Ramesvara: You have written in the First Canto that we welcome scientists, doctors…
   Prabhupada: Yes, if it is beneficial.
   Ramesvara: We welcome all these people if they dovetail their work for Krsna.
   Prabhupada: Yes.
   Ramesvara: So it’s not that these…
   Prabhupada: We do not approve anything which is not actually beneficial. Otherwise it doesn’t matter, homeopathic or allopathic. But there is standard medicine given by Dhanvantari.
   Ramesvara: Yes. But what about certain technological advancements like airplanes and automobiles?
   Prabhupada: There are subtler aeroplanes. Aeroplane is mentioned in the sastras. Now they are working on machine, but there are aeroplanes which can work on mantra.
   Ramesvara: But that science is lost.
   Prabhupada: Not lost. It is there.
   Hari-sauri: It’s hidden.
   Ramesvara: We can’t practice that.
   Prabhupada: No, we can practice what is called akasa patala. This book is there in Germany. It was purchased by the Germans.
   Ramesvara: But do you think that the Vedic sciences will be revived as our movement becomes…
   Prabhupada: No, no, our main purpose is to revive Krsna consciousness. In favor of this Krsna consciousness, whatever is available, beneficial, we shall adopt.
   Ramesvara: Yes.
   Prabhupada: That’s all.
   Ramesvara: In other words, we want to reorganize all of society so that they develop Krsna consciousness.
   Prabhupada: Krsna consciousness. That’s it. We do not hate anything. That is not our business. Just like we utilizing this. So it is modern, scientific gift. So we can utilize it for spreading Krsna consciousness. We do not say… We are not so bigot–“No, no. It is material. We shall not touch it.” We are not such fool.

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   Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Improve. Not for the time being. For ten thousand years.
   Giriraja: Yes. Out of 427,000 years I was taking that 10,000 as for the time being.
   Prabhupada: It is nothing sport.(?)
   Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, where is the mention of that ten thousand years?
   Prabhupada: That I have heard it. Maybe in the Bhagavata. Such a nice thing. Alone in this world I am struggling, and the so-called intelligent persons, they will not come. They have business. Why? If it is actually beneficial to the human society, why I should alone try? I will go on trying so long I’ll live. There will be no checking of… But what kind of intelligent persons there are? (Govindam record in background) It has been approved by intelligent men like… From our section. Most wretched rogues. They do work. They are not so. They are intelligent. They have rejected all these “Lord” ideas and the… Because they have sinned, all humbug. Especially in the Western countries, in the Christian world, what is there? It is bogus. I have condemned it. You have seen that book? One Christian boy inquired. Have you got the copy? Bring. (pause) We shall go on playing govindam adi-purusam tam aham. People may hear or not hear. We don’t mind.

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   Prabhupada: Yes. I never said that “You have to give up this, you have to do this.” Never said. Then gradually ceto-darpana-marjanam. When the heart becomes cleansed, then little. There is no hopelessness. So many people have come, and they are coming. Both black, white, everyone is coming. There is no question of (indistinct). But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Krsna movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on–in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on. That is your… (indistinct) And this movement is meant for these fourth-class, fifth-class, tenth-class men. Not this movement is fourth class, fifth class. They are so fallen that they cannot be counted even third class, fourth class–tenth-class of men. Deliver them. Patita-pavana-hetu tava avatara. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s incarnation is for delivering these classes of men. Caitanya Mahaprabhu never meant to start this movement for high-class brahmanas, sages, saintly persons–no. This class of men. For the all fallen. Don’t be disappointed, go on, go on. Stick to the principles. When there was no response, I did not know where to live, where to eat. Sometimes at Dr. Mishra’s, sometimes with some friend somewhere. Where to live. And I was going to inquire the shipping company when the next ship returning to India. Still I was renewing my visa: “Let us hope. Let us hope.” In this way, we started Second Avenue in month of July, I think?

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3. abhaya carana seva das says:

   17. May 2014 at 10:21 am

   pamho agtACSBP

   Thank you for posting this article. Actually as we can see all the guru hoaxers are just temporary stink travelling toilets feeded by stools. What’s that stool? That stool is that they are taking the position of a uttama adhikari devotee without any bona fide qualification by spreading more stools in f-iskcon, in few words they want to be respected for what they aren’t by causing more disorders in our chaotic Society.

   They are losing the best chance by keeping going against SRILA PRABHUPADA’s order and the small donkeys still worship them therefore they are convinced that they are SRILA PRABHUPADA – this is pure shit coming straight away from the stinkest drain called guru hoaxers, hare leave it baba you need to finish to renew your troublesome karma first by keeping taking birth again, but in the animal kingdom because of your serious offences to the lotus feet of a maha bhagavata devotee as our guru maharaj.

   Without any shame all these wretches usurped the transcendental position of SRILA PRABHUPADA, without any spiritual strengh, i mean they can’t hold it because they never got it, nowadays their yantrarudhani mayaya unwanting body machine got old but still they don’t want to surrender to the last order of SRILA PRABHUPADA because they are addicted to the fake benefit of their stink stools by travelling to get more stools, in this way all of them get more trapped in stools including their blinds disciples until they get the huge toilet in the hellish planet which is waiting for all these betrayers to make them to take bath in the real stools, and when the training is over they can be promoted to get a body machine of a pig or hog for keeping to disrespect a maha bhagavata devotee of SRI KRSNA robbed by their false reflection in iskcon.

   Only fools keep to worship all these stink travelling toilets feeded by stools because all of them became addicted to that stools by respecting them for over three decades, therefore they got stooled, thats all.

   agtSP
   ys haribol

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4. Priya says:

   18. May 2014 at 8:08 pm

   There are so many clear explanations to be found online, showing that the ISKCON GBC have misunderstood, mismanaged, misguided. The whole world may understand, but I wonder if the leaders of ISKCON ever will…..

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5. Mahesh Raja says:

   19. May 2014 at 2:13 am

   Priya says:
   18. May 2014 at 8:08 pm
   There are so many clear explanations to be found online, showing that the ISKCON GBC have misunderstood, mismanaged, misguided. The whole world may understand, but I wonder if the leaders of ISKCON ever will…..

   Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada gives a very nice understanding he says you can NOT wake-up a person who is PRETENDING to sleep. For the demons its about screwing money and slavery business and for their nefarious acts they drive out devotees, change his books, want to be worshiped “as good as God” etc
   Royal road to hell is their future:

   Bg 16.4 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures
   In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE ALWAYS ARROGANT or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY.

   SB 4.28.48 P Puranjana Becomes a Woman in the Next Life
   Whenever an acarya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the acarya’s duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYA DISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON.

   Note: THUS A GODLESS CIVILIZATION BECOMES THE SOURCE OF ALL CALAMITIES
   Thus being advised by the demonic ministers, Kaṁsa, who was from the very beginning the greatest rascal, decided to persecute the brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas, being entrapped by the shackles of all-devouring, eternal time. He ordered the demons to harass all kinds of saintly persons, and then he entered his house. The adherents of Kaṁsa were all influenced by the modes of passion as well as illusioned by the modes of ignorance, and their only business was to create enmity with saintly persons. Such activities can only reduce the duration of life. The demons accelerated the process and invited their deaths as soon as possible. THE RESULT OF PERSECUTING SAINTLY PERSONS IS NOT ONLY UNTIMELY DEATH. THE ACT IS SO OFFENSIVE THAT THE ACTOR ALSO GRADUALLY LOSES HIS BEAUTY, HIS FAME AND HIS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES, AND HIS PROMOTION TO HIGHER PLANETS IS ALSO CHECKED. DRIVEN BY VARIOUS KINDS OF MENTAL CONCOCTIONS, THE DEMONS DIMINISH ALL KINDS OF WELFARE. AN OFFENSE AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE DEVOTEES AND BRĀHMAṆAS IS A GREATER OFFENSE THAN THAT COMMITTED AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. THUS A GODLESS CIVILIZATION BECOMES THE SOURCE OF ALL CALAMITIES.
   Thus ends the Bhaktivedanta purport of the Fourth Chapter of Kṛṣṇa, “Kaṁsa Begins His Persecutions.”

   Isopanisad 12
   THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
   THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.

   760628bj.nv Conversations
   Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
   Prabhupada: HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.

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6. Balaram das says:

   19. May 2014 at 3:53 am

   I guess it’s like complaining to the mafia bosses that there are criminals in their organization.. dah!

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7. marica says:

   19. May 2014 at 7:36 am

   I think the bogus gurus have two possibilities:
   They should accept Srila Prabhupada as diksa and siksa guru and tell their disciples the thruth , that they are cheats. This is difficult for them.
   Or they should contiounosly deceive their disciples. This is will be more and more difficult for them.

   All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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8. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

   19. May 2014 at 10:38 am

   Dear Sriman Mahesh Raja.

   Dandavat Pranams

   I appreciate the point you made about ‘one cannot wake someone who is pretending to be asleep’!
   I particularly like the fact that your use of Sastra is your strongpoint in putting across a particular argument. The ISKCON GBC for the most part I believe are already ‘dead’ what to speak of “pretending to be asleep”. Real truth can only ‘register’ if there is some honesty and sincerity present in one who hears it.

   All Glories To Srila Prabhupada

   Sudarsana

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9. Mahesh Raja says:

   19. May 2014 at 7:39 pm

   Sudarsana Das Vanacari: The ISKCON GBC for the most part I believe are already ‘dead’ what to speak of “pretending to be asleep”.
   
   Mahesh: that is very good point.

   Note: History repeats itself. These demoniac characters are not going to give-up MONEY SCREWING AND SLAVERY MAKING. They wanted to get rid of Srila Prabhupada by giving poison so they can USURP the properties, money, disciples. To them it is just BUSINESS just like Gaudiya Math ” SENIOR PARTNER IS DEAD”. They collect HINDUS as disciples because they can USE them to GATHER money from influential Hindus—and that’s HOW they live off the Hindus instead of Srila Prabhupada’s Original books. And those Hindu “disciples” they are soooo totally dumb and stupid SENTEMENTALISTS they have no brains for understanding Srila Prabhupada’s books that Diksa guru is Srila Prabhupada and that they are being USED as SLAVES. Westerners do not easily fall for this. Look at UK America etc evidence speaks for itself.

   741004SB.MAY Lectures
   JUST LIKE ONE OF OUR GODBROTHERS, HE’S THINKING THAT “THIS INSTITUTION WAS STARTED BY ME AND BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI AS PARTNERS. NOW THE SENIOR PARTNER IS DEAD. THEREFORE I AM THE SOLE PROPRIETOR. WHO ARE THESE GODBROTHERS? LET THEM GO AWAY.” So this is maya, the same maya Dhrtarastra was thinking. And his brother-in-law, Sakuni, was very expert in conspiracy. So he was advising him, “Yes, you are the proprietor. At least your sons should be…” This is natural. Every… Everyone has got some affection for the family. So this is the beginning of the conspiracy. Otherwise, he was taking care of the children very nicely. But maya was dictating that “You are taking care of the children of your brother. What about your own children?” “Yes, why not my children?”
   So attempt was being made how to kill these boys. The first attempt was to administer poison.

   —————————————–

   Gajanand Agarwal: Good
   only a uttam adikari can identify who is uttam adhikari
   are u uttam adhikari to judge if Srila Prabhupada disciples are Uttam or not?
   Who gives you authority to judge?
   I will wait for reply

   Mahesh: Prabhu, Hare Krsna!

   Please do not get upset Just because this does not meet YOUR particular criteria.

   Proof is Sastra. You can not speculate what YOU want.

   The statement below is CLEAR indication of a devotee to BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE KANISTHA-ADHIKARI, MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI AND UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. It does not ask one to be Uttama adhikari first to identify Uttama Adhikari. Yet, another point made as a follow-up to back-up this statement is: SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS GIVEN SOME PRACTICAL HINTS TO THE EFFECT THAT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI VAISNAVA CAN BE RECOGNIZED BY HIS ABILITY TO CONVERT MANY FALLEN SOULS TO VAISNAVISM.

   NoI 5 IN THIS VERSE SRILA RUPA GOSVAMI ADVISES THE DEVOTEE TO BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE KANISTHA-ADHIKARI, MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI AND UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS GIVEN SOME PRACTICAL HINTS TO THE EFFECT THAT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI VAISNAVA CAN BE RECOGNIZED BY HIS ABILITY TO CONVERT MANY FALLEN SOULS TO VAISNAVISM. ONE SHOULD NOT BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER UNLESS HE HAS ATTAINED THE PLATFORM OF UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. A neophyte Vaisnava or a Vaisnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikari as a spiritual master.
   ys mahesh

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   Gajanand Agarwal: As you mentioned uttam adhikari can convert fallen souls to vaishnavism
   so each sanyasi disciple known to me has converted 1000+ people vaishnavs whom u are critisizing
   how many souls did u convert?

   Mahesh: They (sexyasis and sin-yasis) converted NOTHING. It is Srila Prabhupada’s books that is doing the converting.

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   • BkR says:

     27. May 2023 at 5:45 pm

     Taking Credit for Śrīla Prabhupāda’s Work

     Back To Prabhupada, Issue 51, Spring 2016

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/btp51_kadambakanana.html

     On page 3 of this issue, we referred to the inappropriate use of the honorific title “His Divine Grace” by HH Hṛdayānanda dāsa Gosvāmī,

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/hrds_index.htm

     which was even added into the first printing of the last cantos of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Realising the inappropriateness of ISKCON’s GBC Gurus using this term and thus claiming to be on the same level as Śrīla Prabhupāda, even the GBC specifically amended their rules so that this term was banned from being used in any way whatsoever by or for any of their so-called Dīkṣā-gurus, whereas previously it was only banned from being used publicly:

     “C. ISKCON law 6.4.8.2, “Restricted Titles,” now reads:

     “A guru cannot use or allow his disciples to apply to him the honorific title “His Divine Grace” or the honorific endings in “pada” in written public documents or on open public forum. However, such titles may be used in communication among disciples or from disciples to their guru.” ”
     It shall be amended to read:
     “No one in ISKCON will be addressed either publicly or privately with honorific title “His Divine Grace” or the honorifics ending in “-pada”. Disciples may address their ISKCON diksa or siksa gurus as “Gurudeva” or “Guru-maharaja”.”
     (GBC Resolution, 406, 1999)

     Yet, we quoted GBC-elected Guru HH Śivarāma Swami

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/srs_index.htm

     on page 4 glorifying another (now deceased) ISKCON guru, HH Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Gosvāmī,

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/tkg_index.html

     as: “His Divine Grace Tamāl Kṛṣṇa Gosvāmī Mahārāja”. A repeat offender in this regard is GBC-elected guru HH Bhakti Charu Swami

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/bcs.htm

     (“BCS”). In BTP 33,

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/btp33_pad.html

     we documented BCS insisting that he be promoted as being on the same level as Śrīla Prabhupāda by ordering that glorification of himself as “His Divine Grace” be broadcast to others. This mood of BCS allowing himself to be thought of as “His Divine Grace” and on the same level as Śrīla Prabhupāda is rendered absurd, when we consider that BCS states:

     “Remain fixed up in Krishna Consciousness within ISKCON and follow Srila Prabhupada’s guidance. Read Srila Prabhupada books very very carefully and follow the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Everything is there in Srila Prabhupada’s books. There is nothing new I can say. I will simply repeat Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. That is my responsibility as his representative.”
     (BCS Lecture, 2/10/08)

     Thus he is supposedly on the same level as Śrīla Prabhupāda, and also worshipped as a ‘good as God’ Dīkṣā-guru, because he tells us to read Srila6 Prabhupāda’s books, and does not offer anything himself! In doing this, he is, therefore, no different from any congregational supporter, life member or devotee connected with ISKCON who simply directs people to read Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. Yet, unlike these other persons who will accept that doing this does not in any way change their lowly position subordinate to Śrīla Prabhupāda, BCS is demanding that, in his case, it means:

     a) He has replaced Śrīla Prabhupāda as a successor Dīkṣā-guru.

     b) He is on the same level as Śrīla Prabhupāda (as “His Divine Grace”).

     Similarly, another GBC-elected guru, HH Kadamba Kanāna Swami

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/kks_index.htm

     (“KKS”) states:

     “Sometimes, we may feel that our spiritual master is not really giving us a lot of instruction and he is not really telling us something special. That means, he just wants us to do the regular things like daily chanting sixteen rounds of japa and following four regulative principles – no meat, fish or eggs; no gambling; no intoxication; no illicit sex. It means that he wants us to learn the regular principles of prescribed practice for every devotee. It means that he wants us to rise early in the morning, preferably during brahma-muhurta. It means that he wants us to study especially Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam.”
     (KKS Lecture, 6/4/15)

     So KKS gives the same instructions that his “disciples” get from Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books — chant 16 rounds, follow the 4 regulative principles, wake up early — and indeed they are told to read Śrīla Prabhupāda’s books. Yet, just for KKS doing this, his “disciple” must worship KKS as good as God, while rejecting Śrīla Prabhupāda as his actual spiritual master!

     Śrīla Prabhupāda does the work, GBC Guru gets worshipped as good as God — GBC’s nonsensical, so-called “Guru-tattva” in a nut-shell.

     Return to Kadamba Kanāna Swami Index

     https://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/kks_index.htm

     Return to IRM Homepage

     iskconirm.com

     Please chant:

     Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare,
     Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.

     And be Happy!

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     • Mahesh Raja says:

       30. May 2023 at 1:26 pm

       Gajanand Agarwal FAILS to tell us just HOW???? did these THIEVES sexyasis and sin-yasis got disciples as theirs BECAUSE the FACT IS: ALL THE DISCIPLINE, WHICH MAKES DISCIPLES, is ACTUALLY coming FROM Srila Prabhupada THROUGH his tapes,mp3s, books:

       Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple

       One who is accepting discipline from Srila Prabhupada is Srila Prabhupada’s disciple.

       In ISKCON we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions (DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books. Even the most basic discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense — if you ARE being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?

       The MEANING of the word “disciple”

       Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:

       Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
       Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
       Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”

       Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada. We are actually being disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is Srila Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat, fish or eggs; no intoxication (including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

       Srila Prabhupada’s books contain all the instructions, the guidance required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of material nature. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is personally present as his books.

       Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1, Text 35:

       “There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the spiritual master himself.”

       Since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritual master are not different, one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada by following his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct simultaneously, because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction form (his books). The following example will illustrate the point.

       Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct disciple simultaneously. (THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND DIFFERENCE).

       Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1:

       “A direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami was Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, who accepted Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti as his servitor. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakishore dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja, the divine master of our humble self. Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta will contain nothing newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself.”

       Caitanya-caritamra, Antya 19.102:

       Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rupa Gosvami in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of Rupa Gosvami and prayed in every chapter for his mercy.

       Who is Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple?

       Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, June 13, 1976, Detroit:

       Prabhupada: “Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE DISCIPLINED RULES.
       Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is…
       Prabhupada: Then he is all right.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bhaktijana, September 21, 1972:

       “You do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions, without any doubt.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, November 7, 1975:

       “SO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tusta Krsna, November 9, 1975:

       “SO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues to be my disciple wherever he may be.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter, July 9, 1969:

       “Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed. That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of the Spiritual Master life after life.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Cidananda, November 25, 1973:

       “Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE TOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, “The spiritual Master lives forever by His divine instruction and the disciple lives with him.”, because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya’s and in the end you will see.”

       Who is NOT Srila Prabhupada’s disciple?

       Initiation does not bear any meaning

       Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 11, 1970:

       “Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya, the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not perfection. The Spiritual Master’s business is to guide him to the perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the success is sure.”

       Otherwise they are NOT my disciples

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Raja Laksmi, February 17, 1976:

       “My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLES.”

       Against the principle

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dhrstaketu, July 17, 1976:

       “Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can’t compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can’t eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THAT THEY KEPT BEARD.”

       There are many so-called Prabhupada disciples – but only in name. They in fact decline to follow Srila Prabhupada’s discipline hence they are Srila Prabhupada disciples in name only. They show superficial lip service to Srila Prabhupada.

       Disciple in name only

       Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, New York, July 10, 1976:

       Prabhupada: And the Bon Maharaja is his follower. HE’S IN NAME a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, BUT HE’S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.
       Tamala Krsna: He’s very similar to him.
       Prabhupada: He’s a great appreciator of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi philosophy. Rascal, what philosophy they have got?

       STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES, FOR ONESELF (BECOMING SELF MADE GURU-BY BOGUS GBC APPOINTMENT OF 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAS GRAVE CONSEQUENCES:

       Krsna Book, Chapter 64 – The Story of King Nrga:

       At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said, “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA’S COW, HE WAS CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A BRAHMANA.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”

       Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or curses you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”

       It has been a common practice among Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers to steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples by trickery. Sridhara Maharaja and Puri Maharaja are also known to have re-initiated Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Narayana Maharaja is also a culprit in this deplorable un-Vaisnava, offensive, insulting conduct. This act proves they are conditioned souls.

       From the letter below one can see that history repeats itself; because they are conditioned souls they ventured to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Thus, they were caught out as Srila Prabhupada clearly says of the action: “SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION.”

       Srila Prabhupada Letter to Mukunda, March 26, 1968:

       “In meantime, I have also received one letter which is very depressing from Hrsikesa. I understand that he has been induced by Bon Maharaja to be initiated by him for giving him shelter, and this foolish boy has accepted his inducement. This isn’t very happy news, and I have replied Hrsikesa’s letter in the following words, which please take note, and in the future, we shall be very cautious about them. “My Dear Hrsikesa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of March 14, 1968, and I am greatly surprised. I AM GREATLY SURPRISED FOR BON MAHARAJA’S INITIATING YOU IN SPITE OF HIS KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY INITIATED BY ME. SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my service unto you and you will always have my blessings, BUT YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTEE. A GREAT BLUNDER. I do not wish to discuss on this point more elaborately now, but if you are desirous to know further about it, I shall be glad to give you more enlightenment. Mukunda is not here. He has gone to L.A. Hope you are well.” If Hrsikesa writes you letter I think you may avoid reply. I DO NOT APPROVE BOTH HRSIKESA’S AND BON MAHARAJA’S THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. Hoping you are both well.”

       In venturing to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples —they could not even have understood the philosophy properly. As It is clearly stated: A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN. For them to Initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples they would be falling into a trap of REJECTING Srila Prabhupada as the Initiating Guru—DIRECT INSULT-committed BOTH by the so-called disciple of Srila Prabhupada and their conditioned soul “gurus”.

       Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1.35:

       The Spiritual Masters

       “The expert spiritual master knows well how to engage his disciple’s energy in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, and thus he engages a devotee in a specific devotional service according to his special tendency. A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN.”

       ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT DIKSA
       AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!

       HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE
       HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

       BY: MAHESH RAJA

       http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm

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10. Jivadhara Dasa ACBSP says:

    18. January 2020 at 2:51 am

    This is an excellent presentation.

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11. Jivadhara Dasa ACBSP says:

    18. January 2020 at 2:52 am

    This is an excellent presentation OF what a Guru is and what it takes to be one.

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12. Balaram das says:

    19. January 2020 at 12:17 am

    Subject: Acarya is the personification of all the Vedas

    SB 6.7. TEXT 29
    ācāryo brahmaṇo mūrtiḥ
    pitā mūrtiḥ prajāpateḥ
    bhrātā marutpater mūrtir
    mātā sākṣāt kṣites tanuḥ

    SYNONYMS
    ācāryaḥ—the teacher or spiritual master who instructs Vedic knowledge by his personal behaviour;
    brahmaṇaḥ—of all the Vedas; mūrtiḥ—the personification;

    TRANSLATION
    “The ācārya, the spiritual master who teaches all the Vedic knowledge and gives initiation by offering the sacred thread, is the personification of all the Vedas.”

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/6/7/29-30

    So these guroos who are giving the 2 paisa threads, are the “teachers of ALL Vedic knowledge” and the “personification of ALL the Vedas”!!!!! Really!

    हरे कृष्ण
    Your fallen servant,
    Balaram das

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13. Rathayatra das A.C.B.S.P. says:

    19. January 2020 at 8:06 am

    “Mahesh: They (sexyasis and sin-yasis) converted NOTHING. It is Srila Prabhupada’s books that is doing the converting”.

    Srila Prabhupada books are doing the converting, this ex junkie is testament.

    With support from devotees including Mehesh, since Oct, 2019, over 1,500 original GItas distributed in India, some books going overseas, my way of giving back to our Srila Prabhupada mission.

    It’s hard core, very austere doing this in India, even invading ISKCON properties, the books are doing the converting, more joining us, thanks all.

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14. Mahesh Raja says:

    19. January 2020 at 5:33 pm

    Further understanding of the Diksa process:

    Perfect knowledge of self and Superself AND OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP is compared herein to fire. This fire not only burns up all reactions to impious activities, but also ALL reactions to pious activities, turning them to ashes.

    “But knowledge of the CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION of the living entity burns everything to ashes. ”

    Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 4 Text 37

     TEXT 37

                                   TEXT

                       yathaidhamsi samiddho ‘gnir
                         bhasmasat kurute ‘rjuna
                         jnanagnih sarva-karmani
                          bhasmasat kurute tatha

                                 SYNONYMS

       yatha–just as; edhamsi–firewood; samiddhah–blazing; agnih–fire; bhasmasat–turns into ashes; kurute–so does; arjuna–O Arjuna; jnana-agnih–the fire of knowledge; sarva-karmani–all reactions to material activities; bhasmasat–to ashes; kurute–it so does; tatha–similarly.

                               TRANSLATION

       As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes ALL reactions to material activities.

                                 PURPORT

       PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF SELF AND SUPERSELF AND OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS COMPARED HEREIN TO FIRE. THIS FIRE NOT ONLY BURNS UP ALL REACTIONS TO IMPIOUS ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO ALL REACTIONS TO PIOUS ACTIVITIES, TURNING THEM TO ASHES. There are many stages of reaction: reaction in the making, reaction fructifying, reaction already achieved, and reaction a priori. BUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION OF THE LIVING ENTITY BURNS EVERYTHING TO ASHES. WHEN ONE IS IN COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE, ALL REACTIONS, BOTH A PRIORI AND A POSTERIORI, ARE CONSUMED. In the Vedas it is stated, ubhe uhaivaisa ete taraty amrtah sadhv-asadhuni: “One overcomes both the pious and impious interactions of work.”

                                 TEXT 38

                                   TEXT

                          na hi jnanena sadrsam
                           pavitram iha vidyate
                        tat svayam yoga-samsiddhah
                           kalenatmani vindati

                                 SYNONYMS

       na–never; hi–certainly; jnanena–with knowledge; sadrsam–in comparison; pavitram–sanctified; iha–in this world; vidyate–exists; tat–that; svayam–himself; yoga–in devotion; samsiddhah–matured; kalena–in course of time; atmani–in himself; vindati–enjoys.

                               TRANSLATION

       In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has achieved this enjoys the self with himself in due course of time.
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    Madhya 15.108 The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya
    Srila Jiva Gosvami explains diksa in his Bhakti-sandarbha (283):
    divyam jnanam yato dadyat kuryat papasya sanksayam tasmad dikseti sa prokta desikais tattva-kovidaih
    “Diksa is the PROCESS by which one can awaken his TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE and vanquish ALL reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.”
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    Note: The PROCESS of Diksa has BEGUN with FORMALITY Initiation. Reactions are burned of in the process BUT it is -ALL- reactions that need to be burned off: THIS comes when knowledge of SVARUPA (PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION ) – when you are front of sun there is no ignorance: You see yourself and sun simultaneous. You SEE Krsna you SEE yourself SVARUPA(constitutional position) simultaneous   Vanquish ALL reactions: vanquish ALL reactions caused by sinful activity. In our CONDITIONAL stage not ALL reactions are vanquished because knowledge of constitutional position is missing.  “BECAUSE THE PERSON IN KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS IS DEVOID OF ALL KINDS OF SENSE-GRATIFICATORY PROPENSITIES, IT IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE HAS BURNED UP THE REACTIONS OF HIS WORK BY PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION AS THE ETERNAL SERVITOR OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.”

    TEXT 19

    yasya sarve samārambhāḥ

    kāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ

    jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ

    tam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ

    SYNONYMS

    yasya—one whose; sarve—all sorts of; samārambhāḥ—in all attempts; kāma—desire for sense gratification; saṅkalpa—determination; varjitāḥ—are devoid of; jñāna—of perfect knowledge; āgni—fire; dagdha—being burnt by; karmāṇam—the performer; tam—him; āhuḥ—declare; paṇḍitam—learned; budhāḥ—those who know.

    TRANSLATION

    One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.

    PURPORT

    Only a person in full knowledge can understand the activities of a person in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. BECAUSE THE PERSON IN KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS IS DEVOID OF ALL KINDS OF SENSE-GRATIFICATORY PROPENSITIES, IT IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE HAS BURNED UP THE REACTIONS OF HIS WORK BY PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL POSITION AS THE ETERNAL SERVITOR OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. He is actually learned who has attained to such perfection of knowledge. Development of this knowledge of the eternal servitorship of the Lord is compared to fire. SUCH A FIRE, ONCE KINDLED, CAN BURN UP ALL KINDS OF REACTIONS TO WORK.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/4/19

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    TEXT 21

    bhidyate hṛdaya-granthiś

    chidyante sarva-saṁśayāḥ

    kṣīyante cāsya karmāṇi

    dṛṣṭa evātmanīśvare

    SYNONYMS

    bhidyate—pierced; hṛdaya—heart; granthiḥ—knots; chidyante—cut to pieces; sarva—all; saṁśayāḥ—misgivings; kṣīyante—terminated; ca—and; asya—his; karmāṇi—chain of fruitive actions; dṛṣṭe—having seen; eva—certainly; ātmani—unto the self; īśvare—dominating.

    TRANSLATION

    Thus the knot in the heart is pierced, and all misgivings are cut to pieces. THE CHAIN OF FRUITIVE ACTIONS IS TERMINATED WHEN ONE SEES THE SELF AS MASTER.

    PURPORT

    ATTAINING SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD MEANS SEEING ONE’S OWN SELF SIMULTANEOUSLY. As far as the identity of the living being as spirit self is concerned, there are a number of speculations and misgivings. The materialist does not believe in the existence of the spirit self, and empiric philosophers believe in the impersonal feature of the whole spirit without individuality of the living beings. But the transcendentalists affirm that the soul and the Supersoul are two different identities, qualitatively one but quantitatively different. There are many other theories, but all these different speculations are at once cleared off as soon as Śrī Kṛṣṇa is realized in truth by the process of bhakti-yoga. Śrī Kṛṣṇa is like the sun, and the materialistic speculations about the Absolute Truth are like the darkest midnight. As soon as the Kṛṣṇa sun is arisen within one’s heart, the darkness of materialistic speculations about the Absolute Truth and the living beings is at once cleared off. In the presence of the sun, the darkness cannot stand, and the relative truths that were hidden within the dense darkness of ignorance become clearly manifested by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, who is residing in everyone’s heart as the Supersoul.

    In the Bhagavad-gītā (10.11) the Lord says that in order to show special favor to His pure devotees, He personally eradicates the dense darkness of all misgivings by switching on the light of pure knowledge within the heart of a devotee. Therefore, because of the Personality of Godhead’s taking charge of illuminating the heart of His devotee, certainly a devotee, engaged in His service in transcendental love, cannot remain in darkness. He comes to know everything of the absolute and the relative truths. The devotee cannot remain in darkness, and because a devotee is enlightened by the Personality of Godhead, his knowledge is certainly perfect. This is not the case for those who speculate on the Absolute Truth by dint of their own limited power of approach. Perfect knowledge is called paramparā, or deductive knowledge coming down from the authority to the submissive aural receiver who is bona fide by service and surrender. One cannot challenge the authority of the Supreme and know Him also at the same time. He reserves the right of not being exposed to such a challenging spirit of an insignificant spark of the whole, a spark subjected to the control of illusory energy. The devotees are submissive, and therefore the transcendental knowledge descends from the Personality of Godhead to Brahmā and from Brahmā to his sons and disciples in succession. This process is helped by the Supersoul within such devotees. That is the perfect way of learning transcendental knowledge.

    This enlightenment perfectly enables the devotee to distinguish spirit from matter because the knot of spirit and matter is untied by the Lord. This knot is called ahaṅkāra, and it falsely obliges a living being to become identified with matter. As soon as this knot is loosened, therefore, all the clouds of doubt are at once cleared off. ONE SEES HIS MASTER AND FULLY ENGAGES HIMSELF IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD, MAKING A FULL TERMINATION OF THE CHAIN OF FRUITIVE ACTION. In material existence, a living being creates his own chain of fruitive work and enjoys the good and bad effects of those actions life after life. But as soon as he engages himself in the loving service of the Lord, he at once becomes free from the chain of karma. His actions no longer create any reaction.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/1/2/21

    Note: FISKCON has had PSYCHOPATH gurus, rapist gurus, murderer gurus, POISON giving gurus, PAEDOPHILE gurus, homo-sex gurus, drug gurus, alcoholic gurus, thug gurus, manipulative con man gurus, embezzler gurus, book changer gurus, mad man gurus, womaniser gurus,sex-yasi gurus, sin-yasi gurus, GBC conditioned soul factory produced rubber-stamped gurus. And now–
    FISKCON’S (FDG) PROSTITUTE “GURUS” – none of these most dangerous opportunist cheaters can give Diksa. Only Srila Prabhupada CAN give Diksa:

    Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What about the so-called gurus that take a little bit here and a little bit there?
    Prabhupāda: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Kṛṣṇa speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?
    Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Some of them will say some things that Kṛṣṇa says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
    Prabhupāda: He’s most dangerous. He’s most dangerous. He is opportunist. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/jun/answers_to_a_questionnaire_from_bhavans_journal/vrndavana/june/28/1976

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15. Mahesh Raja says:

    31. January 2020 at 3:06 am

    —– Forwarded message —–
    From: Krishna Kirti Das
    To: Mahesh Raja
    Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020, 05:38:27 GMT
    Subject: Re: ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet

    I have no idea who you are. But the idea that only a Mahabhagavata can be a diksha-guru is not supported by either Srila Prabhupada or shastras. Indeed, they support the opposite conclusion. Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 6, which is about the 64 principles of sadhana-bhakti, the 13th principle is that one should not accept too many disciples. Notice that this is in a list of principles for sadhana-bhakti, not sadhya-bhakti (perfectional stage). That means those less than Mahabhagavatas can become diksha-guru. Srila Prabhupada explains this point further in Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila 22.118, bahu-sishya na kariba, ” Unless he is very powerful, he cannot assimilate all the sinful reactions of his disciples and has to suffer the consequences. Therefore one is generally forbidden to accept many disciples.” Notice that this is the same list in NoD chapter 6, 64 principles of sadhana-bhakti. The conclusion here is that a suitably qualified sadhaka, someone who is NOT on the perfectional stage of devotional service, a Mahabhagavata, can become a diksha-guru.

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    Mahesh: Kanistha can have disciples as per NOI (although this is NOT recommended). Kanistha are NOT Diksa guru. They only give some siksa(Instructions). BUT Diksa guru MUST be as per CC 24.330 Madhya lila Maha Bhagavata as Divya Jnana is coming from TRANSCENDENTAL platform. Maha Bhagavata is on SUDDHA SATVA platform. Kanistha is not:

    Note: It is best NOT to accept any disciples.
    One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. *It is best NOT to accept any disciples.* One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.

    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/7/130

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    Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya Lila 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
    MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
    brahmano vai gurur nrnam
    sarvesam eva lokanam
    asau pujyo yatha harih
    maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
    sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
    sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
    na guruh syad avaisnavah

    ((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.

    Purport: ”When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.))”

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    Divya Jnana is TRANSCENDENTAL knowledge(given by Maha Bhagavata) it is NOT given by those who are in TAMO guna. Or – those contaminated by material modes: goodness,passion,ignorance.

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    Note: The difference between Srila Prabhupada’s books and other so-called gurus writing is Srila Prabhupada’s instruction was coming directly from Krsna. This is transcendental platform. Srila Prabhupada encouraged his disciples however, to write their realizations.

    Note:His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is always consulting Krsna

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    Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
    Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
    Prabhupada: Yes, because a devotee ALWAYS consults Krsna and He gives order.
    Interviewer: It’s a more direct communication.
    Prabhupada: Yes. And He gives order.
    Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
    Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
    Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
    Prabhupada: No, not necessarily, Krsna will TELL DIRECTLY. A devotee always consults Krsna and Krsna tells him, “do like this.” Not figuratively.
    Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
    Prabhupada: Everything. Because a devotee does not do anything without consulting Krsna.

    Note: His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada speaks as Krsna speaks.

    Antya 5.71
    One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been DIRECTLY spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system.

    Note: difference is Srila Prabhupada speaks what Krsna speaks and so-called gurus have to jog the brain to give answers.

    Adi 8.39 The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru
    It is not possible for a common man to write books on bhakti, for his writings will not be effective. He may be a very great scholar and expert in presenting literature in flowery language, but this is not at all helpful in understanding transcendental literature. Even if transcendental literature is written in faulty language, it is acceptable if it is written by a devotee, whereas so-called transcendental literature written by a mundane scholar, even if it is a very highly polished literary presentation, cannot be accepted. The secret in a devotee’s writing is that when he writes about the pastimes of the lord, the lord helps him; he does NOT write himself. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita (10.10), dadami buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te. Since a devotee writes in service to the Lord, the Lord from within gives him so much intelligence that he sits down near the Lord and goes on writing books. Krsnadasa Kaviraja gosvami confirms that what Vrndavana dasa Thakura wrote was actually spoken by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and he simply repeated it. The same holds true for Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami wrote Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in his old age, in an invalid condition, but it is such a sublime scripture that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja used to say, “The time will come when the people of the world will learn Bengali to read Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.” We are trying to present Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in English and do not know how successful it will be, but if one reads the original Caitanya-caritamrta in Bengali he will relish increasing ecstasy in devotional service.

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    • Amar Puri says:

      2. February 2020 at 10:44 pm

      avaiṣṇava-saṅga-tyāga, bahu-śiṣya nā kariba
      bahu-grantha-kalābhyāsa-vyākhyāna varjiba

      SYNONYMS
      avaiṣṇava—of one who is not a devotee of the Lord; saṅga—the association; tyāga—giving up; bahu-śiṣya—an unlimited number of disciples; nā kariba—should not accept; bahu-grantha—of many different types of scriptures; kalā-abhyāsa—studying a portion; vyākhyāna—and explanation; varjiba—we should give up.

      TRANSLATION

      “The twelfth item is to give up the company of nondevotees. (13) One should not accept an unlimited number of disciples. (14) One should not partially study many scriptures just to be able to give references and expand explanations.

      PURPORT

      Accepting an unlimited number of devotees or disciples is very risky for one who is not a preacher. According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī, a preacher has to accept many disciples to expand the cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. This is risky because when a spiritual master accepts a disciple, he naturally accepts the disciple’s sinful activities and their reactions. Unless he is very powerful, he cannot assimilate all the sinful reactions of his disciples. Thus if he is not powerful, he has to suffer the consequences, for one is forbidden to accept many disciples.

      One should not partially study a book just to pose oneself as a great scholar by being able to refer to scriptures. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we have therefore limited our study of Vedic literatures to Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Caitanya-caritāmṛta and Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. These four works are sufficient for preaching purposes. They are adequate for the understanding of the philosophy and the spreading of missionary activities all over the world. If one studies a particular book, he must do so thoroughly. That is the principle. By thoroughly studying a limited number of books, one can understand the philosophy.

      Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/118

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      Krishna Kirti Das gives his own conclusion based on his whimsical understanding in his writing quoted by Mahesh Prabhu’s comments which reads ;

      ” The conclusion here is that a suitably qualified sadhaka, someone who is NOT on the perfectional stage of devotional service, a Mahabhagavata, can become a diksha-guru.”

      Whereas there is NO such conclusion found in the reference of NOD Ch. 6 item number 13. Item Number 13 says ” Singing “. I guess it is a mistake, indeed.

      However, Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila 22.118, ” bahu-sishya na kariba, ” does says Item No. 13 which reads ” (13) One should not accept an unlimited number of disciples. “.

      That is where as it seems Krishna Kiriti das forms his own whimsical conclusion that a suitably qualified sadhaka, someone who is NOT on the perfectional stage of devotional service, a Mahabhagavata, become a diksha-guru.

      In his own conclusion, we find the contradiction when he says a suitably qualified which means the Sadhaka must be a PERFECTIONIST. If some one is not on the perfectional stage, then, how he can be a suitably qualified sadhaka, Preacher ? Is this not a contradiction in his own whimsical conclusion ?

      He uses the reference from the Sastras simply to justify his own CONTRADICTORY conclusion which means he is misleading the Readers with his own form of a contradictory conclusion. Isn’t it ?

      Therefore, he does not understand the Sastras when he quotes partially ” Madhya-lila 22.118, ” bahu-sishya na kariba, ”

      Srila Prabhupada very nicely explain in the same purport ; ” ……. If one studies a particular book, he must do so thoroughly. That is the principle. By thoroughly studying a limited number of books, one can understand the philosophy. ”

      ONLY the Mahabhagavata can accept and give Diksha to the unlimited disciples

      Otherwise, it is a CHEATING process.

      OM TAT SAT.

      Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

      OM TAT SAT.

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      • Mahesh Raja says:

        5. February 2020 at 2:29 pm

        Amar Puri: He (Krishna Kirti das) uses the reference from the Sastras simply to justify his own CONTRADICTORY conclusion which means he is misleading the Readers with his own form of a contradictory conclusion. Isn’t it ?

        Therefore, he does not understand the Sastras when he quotes partially ” Madhya-lila 22.118, ” bahu-sishya na kariba, ”

        Srila Prabhupada very nicely explain in the same purport ; ” ……. If one studies a particular book, he must do so thoroughly. That is the principle. By thoroughly studying a limited number of books, one can understand the philosophy. ”

        ONLY the Mahabhagavata can accept and give Diksha to the unlimited disciples

        Otherwise, it is a CHEATING process.

        Mahesh: Krishna Kirti das wants to play at REPLACING Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru and look for something that suits HIS mentality: to convince the GULLIBLE to accept CONDITIONED souls rubber-stamped by bogus GBC as Diksa gurus. In other words, CON the public:

        http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2020/02/krishna-kirti-anuttama-basu-ghosh.html

        Kirshna Kirti das: For example, in the 1995 GBC handbook titled “Gurus and Initiation in ISKCON”, the GBC cites Srila Narahara Sarakara’s Krishna Bhajanamarta as pramana for what to do when a guru deviates from the path: [verse 59] “If a spiritual master commits a wrongful act, breaking Vaisnava regulative principles, one should confront him in a solitary place for his rectification, using logic and appropriate conclusions from sadhu, sastra, and guru, but one is not to give him up.” [verse 63]

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        Mahesh: Lets take instructions FROM Srila Prabhupada:

        Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sri Govinda, January 20th, 1972

        “There is no need by any of my disciples to read any books besides my books – in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in Krishna Consciousness. All reading of outside books, except in certain authorized cases such as for example to read some philosopher like Plato to make an essay comparing his philosophy with Krishna’s philosophy – but otherwise all such outside reading should be stopped immediately. It is simply another botheration. If my students cannot even read my own books thoroughly, why they should read others? I have given you TLC, what need is there to read Caitanya Caritamrta translated by someone else. You are right to stop such reading.”

        73-12-25.Letter: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana
        Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION.

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        So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARA SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA.

        74-11-22. Letter: Bahurupa
        I am pleased to hear that you are chanting 16 rounds daily and reading my books regularly and following the four rules. IN MY BOOKS THE PHILOSOPHY OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS IS EXPLAINED FULLY SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THEN YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO READ AGAIN AND AGAIN. BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.

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        “But Bali Mahārāja also considered that Śukrācārya was no longer to be accepted as a spiritual master, for he had deviated from the duty of a spiritual master. According to śāstra, the duty of the guru is to take the disciple back home, back to Godhead. If he is unable to do so and instead hinders the disciple in going back to Godhead, he should not be a guru. Gurur na sa syāt (Bhāg. 5.5.18). One should not become a guru if he cannot enable his disciple to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.”

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/8/20/1

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        According to revealed scriptures, a teacher or spiritual master is liable to be rejected if he proves himself unworthy of the position of a guru or spiritual master.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/1/7/43

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        That is Jīva Gosvāmī’s… Kārya-kāryam ajānataḥ. A guru who does not know what to do and what not to do, but by mistake, by mistakenly I have accepted somebody as guru, he can be rejected. By rejecting him, you can accept an actual bona fide guru.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/2/4-5/london/august/05/1973

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        If you have accepted somebody as guru but he’s a demon, he should be rejected immediately, immediately.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/7/9/14/mayapur/february/21/1976

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        So we should not accept any man as spiritual master or holy man if he does not corroborate with the statement of the scripture. He’s at once rejected.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1969/may/with_allen_ginsberg/columbus/may/11/1969

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        Prabhupāda: Then so śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru… A śikṣā-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual, he is not a śikṣā guru. He is a demon. Śikṣā-guru, dīkṣā-guru means… Sometimes a dīkṣā-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the śikṣā-guru. Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/17/1-3/honolulu/july/04/1974

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        Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What about the so-called gurus that take a little bit here and a little bit there?
        Prabhupāda: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Kṛṣṇa speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?
        Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Some of them will say some things that Kṛṣṇa says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
        Prabhupāda: He’s most dangerous. He’s most dangerous. He is opportunist. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/jun/answers_to_a_questionnaire_from_bhavans_journal/vrndavana/june/28/1976

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        Note: Krishna Kirti das is also AVOIDING this:

        Rocana: Mahesh does not make a distinction between the issue of the qualifications of a bona fide spiritual master, and the fact that sastra acknowledges that there also exist kanishta and madhyam gurus. He does not distinguish between the qualifications of the uttama diksa, and the range of possibility the candidate has for the sorts of guru he might choose for himself, which includes not only uttama-diksa.

        Mahesh: The “range of possibility” is non-existent. By definition ONLY Mahabhagavata is Diksa guru as described in CC Madhya 24.330

        MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA-śreṣṭho
        brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām
        sarveṣām eva lokānām
        asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ

        ahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi
        sarva-yajñeṣu DĪKṢITAḤ
        sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca
        na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ

        “The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class.”

        The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.

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        The 3rd Offence in chanting is to DISOBEY the Spiritual master so in EITHER case if one becomes a spiritual master without being QUALIFIED as Uttama Adhikari(Maha-Bhagavata) he will be committing offense and if he accepts one who is NOT QUALIFIED to Uttama adhikari stage he will commit offense in the chanting of the holy name. In BOTH cases their spiritual life is FINISHED!

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        There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down, even though he may mix with nondevotees to preach.

        Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/22/71

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16. Andrey Terentiev says:

    26. July 2021 at 2:36 am

    Hare Krishna ! This is very clear and detail statement . Unfortunately its not advertised on isckon websites . So many of hew coming devotees are bewildered and they don’t even know all this .

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17. Mahesh Raja says:

    2. June 2023 at 9:45 am

    Note: like many others, Gajanand Agarwal has been fed on ignorance and need to wake-up: Srila Prabhupada is THE Diksa Guru: not the IS-CON Con Artists sexyasi and sin-yasis who are there for conning the public using them as slaves, exploiting them for money. These people need to understand the actual philosophy:

    WHEN I Order

    BY: MAHESH RAJA

    In response to Tamohara Prabhu’s recent article, “Pertinent to the Directives of Srila Prabhupada“, regarding the hybrid gurus you propose, I do not see how that is feasible. Let’s consider the following:

    1) From the year 1966 to 1977 Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa guru?

    IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977 then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order.

    It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977 WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?

    Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan:

    Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”

    “When I order”– NO ORDER WAS GIVEN. On the contrary, the ONLY instruction that followed TWO months AFTER was as per 9th July 1977 Letter, that they were to act in the capacity of Ritvik Representative of Acarya and the disciples initiated would be Srila Prabhupada’s, NOT theirs.

    Even Tamal Krsna Gosvami admitted they were conditioned souls and consequently not qualified. (Refer to my previous article, Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON)

    2) I have mentioned in my article, “Diksa Given to Madhyam-adhikari is Not a Formality“, the RECEPIENT of DIKSA is Madhyama Adhikari — so how can they give Diksa voted in by conditioned soul fake GBC?

    HOW are they BONAFIDE (genuine) if they REQUIRE to be VOTED IN as GURU by a group of conditioned souls?

    3) EXACTLY when did Srila Prabhupada EVER state that he has STOPPED giving DIKSA at Madhyama Adhikari stage to the countless generations of devotees still to come? (Refer to my article). When this IS the case, where is the NEED for anyone else to give DIKSA in the presence of OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA Guru Srila Prabhupada?

    4) Since the initiator is one throughout (refer to my article), HOW can the conditioned soul guru opportunists VOTED IN by fake GBC give DIKSA?

    5) Jumping over either way:

    a) WHY should they JUMP OVER the PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada bearing in mind GAPS in the Disciplic succession of ACARYAS are acceptable?

    b) Nobody can Jump over PROMINENT ACARYA Srila Prabhupada to get diksa from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.

    Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, December 8, 1973, Los Angeles:

    “You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. This is called parampara system. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dayananda, April 12, 1968:

    “Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.”

    6) Since NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada was EVER given that they ARE Acarya (Uttama Adhikari) HOW can they give DIKSA? I am NOT talking of FORMALITY of initiation.

    7) Disciplic SUCCESSION of ACARYAS. Succession means TO SUCCEED that’s dictionary meaning. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saravati Thakura has been SUCCEEDED BY His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who IS Founder AND ACARYA of ISKCON. HOW are they ACARYA? HOW have they SUCCEEDED Srila Prabhupada? Please see below.

    Srila Prabhupada IS the FOUNDER AND ACARYA note the HYPEN in his books. ISKCON Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. If it had been only ISKCON founder only there would not be hypen in between. This means Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT ACARYA. THIS IS THE CURRENT LINK. NO EXCUSES HERE whatsoever. The meaning is COMPLETELY CLEAR.

    In the DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS the LAST name is: 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta. And He is PROMINENT so we ACCEPT HIM.

    Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.29.17:

    “In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. ACARYOPASANAM: ONE SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.”

    Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Upendra, February 13, 1968:

    “My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta.”

    8) WHY have this bogus conditioned soul opportunist gurus voted in by fake GBC DENIED Srila Prabhupada as the INITIATOR even though he says VERY clearly:

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, August 4, 1975: “Regarding Sydney, that the President has left, if one does not follow the regulative principles, then he will leave. That is a fact. Has somebody else been elected? This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM in the INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”

    Srila Prabhupada’s 07-09-77, Letter to All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents

    In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.

    (SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SIGNATURE APPEARS IN THE ORIGINAL)

    7) HOW are these conditioned soul opportunist gurus VOTED IN by fake GBC the Current Link? Please see below.

    Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform, therefore his purports to the SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM is the CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA’S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK**THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE***HIS PURPORTS***.

    Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.7:

    “As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession.”

    Conditioned soul “gurus” manufactured by fake GBC are not ACARYA and consequently can NOT initiate.
    Nectar of Devotion 7 – Evidence Regarding Devotional Principles

    REGARDING ACCEPTING INITIATION from the spiritual master, in the Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventeenth Chapter, verse 27, it is stated by Lord Krsna, “My dear Uddhava, the spiritual master must be accepted not only as My representative, but as My very self. He must never be considered on the same level with an ordinary human being. One should never be envious of the spiritual master, as one may be envious of an ordinary man. The spiritual master should always be seen as the representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and by serving the spiritual master one is able to serve all the demigods.”

    Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.15 Purport – Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati:

    “By the mercy of the spiritual master one is benedicted by the mercy of Krsna. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement.” A disciple should never be a hypocrite or be unfaithful to his spiritual master. In Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.17.27), THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ALSO CALLED ACARYA. Acaryam mam vijaniyan: the Supreme Personality of Godhead says that one should respect the spiritual master, accepting him as the Lord Himself. Navamanyeta karhicit: one should not disrespect the acarya at any time. Na martya-buddhyasuyeta: one should never think the acarya an ordinary person. Familiarity sometimes breeds contempt, but one should be very careful in one’s dealings with the acarya. Agadha-dhisanam dvijam: the acarya is a perfect brahmana and has unlimited intelligence in guiding the activities of his disciple.

    http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm

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    Become Guru by Order, That’s All

    BY: MAHESH RAJA

    Apr 14, UK (SUN) — A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.

    Bhakta Suria Is A Hypocrite. In his recent article, “Misinterpreting One Word”, Bhakta Suria writes:

    “Here is another quote to confirm that “Self-effulgent” acarya is not limited to just one personality:

    “He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhar Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and two others who are already dead, unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya”. (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga, April 28, 1974)

    So based on the above quote, Srila Prabhupada himself had debunked the theory that there must be only one self-effulgent acarya. ”

    Herein, we have the proof of Bhakta Suria to be a hypocrite. On one hand the title of his article is: “Misinterpreting One Word”. And he has the audacity to misinterpret by stating in there, “Srila Prabhupada himself had debunked the theory that there must be only one self-effulgent acarya”.

    What Bhakta Suria has done is misinterpretation of the letter by choosing to take THOSE Srila Prabhupada’s words OUT OF CONTEXT. He hopes no one will notice this—so he can DUPE you.

    He carefully chooses to omit:

    “So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and *self effulgent acarya* would be automatically selected.”

    The words, “self effulgent acarya” in context of the letter is singular. NO MULTIPLE ACARYAS.

    Here is the letter as it stands:

    Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga, April 28, 1974:

    “You are right about Sridhara Maharaja’s genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.”

    From the year 1966 to 1977, Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY, “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa guru?

    IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?

    Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
    (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)

    “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.”
    (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)

    “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.”
    (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)

    Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
    (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)

    We therefore openly challenge Bhakta Suria to please provide us with tangible proof in writing from Srila Prabhupada confirming his order. Srila Prabhupada: “I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” WHERE IS THIS ORDER (AUTHORIZATION)? Show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. Exactly WHERE does Srila Prabhupada NAME the ACARYAS in writing? The bottom line is Bhakta Suria, either put-up OR shut-up.

    If you have a diksa guru, then how is he a guru since he has not been authorised by Srila Prabhupada? Authority by mental speculation is your authority?

    Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
    Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…
    Prabhupada: Hm.
    Tamala Krsna: …but not now.
    Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

    (Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977)

    Guru MUST be on uttama-adhikari (maha-bhagavata) stage. But aside from that, he needs an ORDER from his Guru to be ACARYA.

    Madhya 24.330 — The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse:

    “In the Padma Purana, the characteristics of the guru, the bona fide spiritual master, have been described:

    maha-bhagavata-srestho
    brahmano vai gurur nrnam
    sarvesam eva lokanam
    asau pujyo yatha harih

    maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
    sarva-yajnesu diksitah
    sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
    na guruh syad avaisnavah

    The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.

    Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
    (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)

    There was NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada NAMING ANY individual to be Diksa guru. The ONLY order was to act as Rtvik, July 9th 1977. NOTHING MORE!!!

    In conclusion: Srila Prabhupada did not order, name, or authorise anyone as Acarya. FACT. But in spite of that, if one is worshipping those unauthorized conditioned souls as good as God (acarya), then it is the same as one animal worships another animal:

    Life Comes From Life:

    Srila Prabhupada. “Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh.[4] This verse indicates that those who praise men who are like animals are no better than dogs, hogs, camels and asses. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.” If the Nobel Prize is given to a scientist who is a rascal, the men on the committee who give him that prize are no better than dogs, hogs, camels and asses. We don’t accept them as human beings. One animal is praised by another animal. Where is the credit in that? If the men on the committee are no better than animals, anyone who receives the Nobel Prize in science is fool number one, because animals are praising him, not human beings.”

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    Iskcons self-appointed bogus gurus, not authorized by Srila Prabhupada

    https://www.harekrsna.org/guru-photos.htm

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