Request to the Senior Vaishnavas of Srila Prabhupada for intervention to resolve the conflicts between, MMP – IB, AP Jaipur and Jaipur Devotees Organization and its management Leader DNP
(June 2nd, 2014)
Respected Shri Madhu Pandit Das Prabhu and his team,
Kindly accept my humble obeisance. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I take this liberty to approach your goodself being one of the most prominent dedicated and esteemed servant – disciple of our Jagat Guru HDG. Srila Prabhupada in connection with the conflicts of Jaipur devotees organization under the leadership of Shriman DND.
Before I may plead to your goodself, I wish to introduce myself. I am most fallen soul being inspired in the association of the followers Devotees of HDG. Srila Prabhupada, I try to follow the Instructions of HDG. Srila Prabhupada according to my ability and capability at this very old age which is contaminated with Lust, Anger, full of sense gratifications and so on. My only hope is to chant the Holy of the Lord as much as possibly I can and associate with the like minded people dedicated for the service in the mission of Srila Prabhupada. That is how I come to know Aprakrita Dasa Prabhu here in Montreal and through him I have been introduced to Agrani Krsna Das Prabhu also in the Bangalore temple and few other devotees there as well.
Prabhu, by visiting the web site www.prabhupadanugas.eu, I read the article of Jaipur Devotees (Part I – Part II). After reading, I made several comments which are openly available at this link http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41392 for which I am sure that you are perhaps aware of it also because the web master posted your comments there as well regarding clarifying the Trust under which IB organization operates under your leadership which is very much commendable and admirable indeed on the same above mentioned link. No doubt Prabhu, your legacy to protect and promote to its original Srila Prabhupada’s VANI is legendary indeed without any compromise.
In the same manners I find after reading the article I and II of Jaipur devotees at prabhupadanugas.eu that this group is equally dedicated for the service of the mission of HDG. Srila Prabhupada under the leadership of Shriman DND which is also very much admirable.
Somehow or other, the conflicts have arisen between these two groups viz AP Jaipur and Jaipur Devotees who are operating both independently and separately as it appears.
Now that you are also involved directly or indirectly with AP. Jaipur, the blame game ( propaganda of discrediting ) finger pointing at each other is going on for years which I find very much SELF DESTRUCTIVE because IB management, AP management under your expert leadership management are running very well despite the legal litigations of Iskcon Bangalore vs Iskcon Bombay pending decision in the Supreme Court. This indicates that you are very well equipped as good leader of IB management and its various projects.
Also, Jaipur devotees under the leadership of Shriman DND follows your foot step as a Leader leading and serving the mission of HDG. Srila Prabhupada attracting lots of people locally as well as abroad for their projects. As it appears also that Shriman DND and his team perhaps lack and limit in the management skill as a leader, therefore, he landed in the conflicts with AP Jaipur management who is operating under your leadership.
As a result of limited management skill and expertise of Shriman DND and his team landed a mistake in which they apparently used your appreciation of work as an endorsement without your valid consent which probably fuelled further in the conflicts. However, it seems that Shriman DND admits that mistake which was beyond his control to stop the printing of your unauthorized consent in the publication.
That is the only valid mistake as it appears in the writing besides the so many various allegations such as bogus or fake or not serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission from AP Jaipur and finger pointing at each other which has led the whole issue of conflicts blown out of proportion as it seems.
Your goodself has been approached various times as it appears in the article I – II of Jaipur devotees group by Shriman DND but of no avail because there is no communication neither from your side or AP Jaipur except one instance where Shriman CCP was supposed to go to Jaipur some time in Feb or March this year to sort out the conflicts with Shriman DND and his team but without any result or no out come at all during that visit reported.
In the meantime, so many misconceptions and misunderstandings are prevailing unnecessarily discrediting each other in the public arena as to why both Prabhupadanuga groups i.e. AP Jaipur under your leadership and Jaipur devotees group under the leadership of Shriman DND prabhu are fighting for.
I have failed to understand as to why there is such lack of COOPERATION prevailing. Jaipur devotees group under the leadership of Shriman DND points out the finger at your AP Jaipur group are not cooperating. The cooperation must be from both the groups to sort out the conflicts as HDG. Srila Prabhupada explains ;
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE CO-OPERATIVELY. “Our” and “your’s” are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
So in order to please HDG. Srila Prabhupada, the cooperation is MUST.
Under the circumstances, I beg to approach your goodself as a senior Vaishnava Devotee dedicated for the service of the mission of HDG. Srila Prabhupada kindly to look in to this very Self Destructive Conflicts between AP – Jaipur and Jaipur Devotees group under the leadership of Shriman DND and resolve it with your kind INTERVENTION as a Senior Vaishnava representing HDG. Srila Prabhupada as He advises in the above cited letters and desires for the Constructive and Productive Solution for both the groups so that each group can serve the great mission of HDG. Srila Prabhupada according to their capacity.
I look forward to hear further at your earliest possible in this matter. I remain,
Your servant,
Amar Puri.
Montreal, Canada.
The formula for peaceful co-existence COOPERATION among Prabhupadanugas is given by Srila Prabhupada:
Note: COMPETITION AND PROFITEERING SPIRIT ARE ALWAYS THERE IN THE LIVING ENTITY. IT IS NOT
THAT THEY CAN BE ARTIFICIALLY REMOVED IN SOME MANNER
Letters : 1971 Correspondence : December : Letter to: Jayatirtha — Delhi 9 December, 1971 : 71-12-09 :
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter and posters dated October 14, 1971, and I am very pleased by the posters. I am very very pleased by your diligent and careful management of our Spiritual Sky business. Your success is a good sign that you are completely surrendered to satisfying Krishna and that there is no material motive in your endeavors, that is why Krishna is rewarding you so nicely. I can understand from your work that you are first-class devotee. I fully approve of your program for distributing the posters and utilizing the profits to print more books. I understand from Karandhara that you will be setting up another ISKCON Press in Los Angeles to engage our New York Press in transcendental competition for printing my books. COMPETITION AND PROFITEERING SPIRIT ARE ALWAYS THERE IN THE LIVING ENTITY. IT IS NOT THAT THEY CAN BE ARTIFICIALLY REMOVED IN SOME MANNER. Factually we saw in Russia that by removing competition and profit calculation from society the people were not at all happy, and still these things are going on. So we shall not expect that we are any different. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, THAT OUR PROFIT IS FOR KRISHNA’S PLEASURE, AND OUR COMPETITION IS HOW TO PLEASE KRISHNA MORE THAN SOMEONE ELSE. EVEN AMONGST THE GOPIS THERE IS COMPETITION TO PLEASE KRISHNA, AND THERE IS ENVY ALSO. BUT THIS ENVY IS NOT MATERIAL, IT IS TRANSCENDENTAL. THEY ARE THINKING, OH, SHE HAS DONE SOMETHING MORE WONDERFUL THAN ME, THAT IS VERY NICE, BUT NOW LET ME DO SOMETHING EVEN MORE WONDERFUL, LIKE THAT. So I am PLEASED that you desire for competition with your godbrothers to spread Krishna Consciousness Movement all over the world BY PRINTING OUR BOOKS THERE.
Note: TRADING LEADS TO ENVY AND JEALOUSY AND CHEATING, THEN EVERYTHING IS LOST.
Letters : 1975 Correspondence : November : Letter to: Jagadisa — Bombay 20 November, 1975 : 75-11-20 :
Regarding the New Orleans’ farm, do not make sugar. Just boil it and make molasses. You can eat the molasses instead of sugar. Just boil it and keep boiling it until granule forms and then keep in a pot. Don’t try to make sugar and sell it. That will simply increase the botheration. If you start trading business, then so many problems will be there. You should produce just enough for our own use. TRADING LEADS TO ENVY AND JEALOUSY AND CHEATING, THEN EVERYTHING IS LOST. I AM SEEING NOW THAT THE BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN OUR SOCIETY, THEY ARE INCREASING. ORIGINALLY I ALLOWED THAT GARGAMUNI COULD START THE INCENSE BUSINESS. I THOUGHT THAT THE RAMAKRISHNA MISSION, THEY ARE DOING AND THE INCENSE WE ARE USING, SO IF WE MAKE SOME AND SELL IT, THEN WHAT IS THE HARM. BUT NOW I SEE THAT SPIRITUAL SKY, THEY HAVE SO MANY PRODUCTS. AND NOW THERE IS JEWELRY BUSINESS GOING ON. SO WHY SHOULD THE BUSINESS INCREASE? Nanda Kumar, he came here to India simply for doing business. This is not required. So I have given him sannyasa and now he is finished with all business, and he will go to Africa to preach. SO THIS BUSINESS SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED, OTHERWISE, IF THEY DO IT, OUR MEN WILL AGAIN BECOME KARMIS. OUR BUSINESS IS SIMPLY BOOK DISTRIBUTION. So far increasing the New Orleans’ farm, yes, if you have got more men, you can get more land. You should make a stock of ghee from the farm and if possible open a restaurant in the city for attracting people. You can prepare samosas, kacoris, rasgullas, sweetballs: In Honolulu they are doing nicely, this restaurant. You can take information from Srutakirti das. And the farm will get money by selling ghee to the restaurant. And also you can sell the ghee to the Indian people in the city.
I find the followings very interesting here in this link ; http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=2971#comment-26681 as to what HDG. Srila Prabhupada is saying ;
” ……….. Of course, there are different stages of devotional life. But so far we are concerned, we have to preach. That is the second platform of devotional life. In the second platform, not only to love God, but to make friendship with devotees who is loving God. That is society. Our Society is devotees. We should not only practice to love God, but we should make friendship and love the devotees also……… ”
The disputes between AP Jaipur and Jaipur devotees should not be there at all because they are all devotees who are loving God and His Representative HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
That is Srila Prabhupada’s society, a Society of Devotees full of friendship who love the devotees. Not only loving the devotees but make friendship with those who are also inquisitive to know more about the philosophy of Krsna Consciousness.
That is the instructions of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada which requires to be followed cooperatively working to serve His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada’s mission in order to please Him.
Therefore, intervention from the senior Vaishnavas such HG MPP – IB and his team is solicited to resolve the Self Destructive – Unproductive totally useless Conflicts between these two independent Prabhupadanugas’ groups.
I am hopeful that a good council may prevail under the esteemed and prominent intervention of the leadership of HG MMP and his team in order to resolve AP Jaipur and Jaipur devotees’ conflicts as soon as possible.
Awaiting to hear further soon.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna. Is there still no response from Madhu Pandit Das or any of the senior devotees of ISKCON Bangalore / Akshaya Patra? (Apart from IB publishing Tim (PADA/Puranjana) Lee’s crazy article of blatant lies & distortions as “Truth Revealed” on their websites and FaceBook pages)? Why are they ignoring the concerns of many Prabhupadanuga devotees? Where is their basic Vaisnava etiquette? It appears that they have no desire to resolve this issue in the interest of co-operating to serve Srila Prabhupada’s mission. I guess they must be too busy with all their various philanthropic and money-making programs.
Prahlad das writes ; ” Hare Krishna. Is there still no response from Madhu Pandit Das or any of the senior devotees of ISKCON Bangalore / Akshaya Patra?
Well, the answer is obviously NO.
But to my surprize, why is he not asking and inquiring from the Jaipur Devotee group who are also silent and have not answered as to how they are handling this issue in the interest of cooperating to serve Srila Prabhupada;s mission ?
Are they too busy now with their various work that they have no time to up date and thus, ignore this issue which seems hopefully settled down to avoid their supporters of Prabhupadanuga ?
Hope to hear soon further in this matter.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
DVD is the vehicle for cooperative unity in diversity. Ksatriya is material leader. AND IN OUR CASE OF NO DVD BRAHMANAS, PRABHUPADA STILL DIRECTLY CAN OVER SEE ANY SITUATION WE ENCOUNTER. BECAUSE THE KSATRIYA IS PRESENT TO REPRESENT HIM.
But the ksatriya can not be expected function/produce results with no congregation to back up his leadership. this is cooperation, by varna and asrama. Brahman is NOT the civil leader. All the problems I see on these forums are civil/social in nature for the most part. These [problems are the duties of a ksatriya
All other ideas of cooperation will fail and have for yrs
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 1:”Creation” : SB 1.16: How Pariksit Received the Age of Kali : SB 1.16.31 : PURPORT :
To effect the perfection of human life there is cooperation between men and demigods, sages, denizens of the Pitrloka, devotees of the Lord and the scientific system of varna and asrama orders of life. The distinction between human life and animal life therefore begins with the scientific system of varna and asrama, guided by the experience of the sages in relation with the demigods, gradually rising to the summit of reestablishing our eternal relation with the Supreme Absolute Truth, the Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krsna. When God-made varnasrama-dharma, which is strictly meant for developing animal consciousness into human consciousness and human consciousness into godly consciousness, is broken by advancement of foolishness, the whole system of peaceful and progressive life is at once disturbed. In the age of Kali, the first attack of the venomous snake strikes against the God-made varnasrama-dharma, and thus a person properly qualified as a brahmana is called a sudra, and a sudra by qualification is passing as a brahmana, all on a false birthright claim
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 2: “The Cosmic Manifestation” : SB 2.1: The First Step in God Realization : SB 2.1.37 : PURPORT :
Monotheism is practically suggested here. Offering sacrifices to many demigods under different names is mentioned in the Vedic literatures, but the suggestion made in this verse is that all those varieties of demigods are included in the form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; they are only the parts and parcels of the original whole. Similarly, the divisions of the orders of human society, namely the brahmanas (the intelligent class), the ksatriyas (the administrators), the vaisyas (the mercantile community) and the sudras (the laborer class), are all included in the body of the Supreme. As such, sacrifice by every one of them in terms of pleasing the Supreme by feasible goods is recommended. Generally, the sacrifice is offered with clarified butter and grains, but with the progress of time, human society has produced varieties of goods by transforming materials supplied by God’s material nature. Human society, therefore, must learn to offer sacrifices not only with clarified butter, but also with other manufactured goods in the propagation of the Lord’s glory, and that will bring about perfection in human society. The intelligent class of men, or brahmanas, may give direction for such sacrifices in consultation with the previous acaryas; the administrators may give all facilities to perform such sacrifices; the vaisya class or mercantile community, who produce such goods, may offer them for sacrifice; and the sudra class may offer their manual labor for the successful termination of such sacrifice. Thus by the cooperation of all classes of human beings, the sacrifice recommended in this age, namely the sacrifice of congregational chanting of the holy name of the Lord, may be executed for the common welfare of all the people of the world
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 2: “The Cosmic Manifestation” : SB 2.5: The Cause of All Causes : SB 2.5.37 : PURPORT :
All living beings are stated to be the parts and parcels of the Supreme Lord, and how they are so is explained in this verse. The four divisions of human society, namely the intelligent class (the brahmanas), the administrative class (the ksatriyas), the mercantile class (the vaisyas), and the laborer class (the sudras), are all in different parts of the body of the Lord. As such, no one is different from the Lord. The mouth of the body and the legs of the body are nondifferent constitutionally, but the mouth or the head of the body is qualitatively more important than the legs. At the same time, the mouth, the legs, the arms and the thighs are all component parts of the body. These limbs of the body of the Lord are meant to serve the complete whole. The mouth is meant for speaking and eating, the arms are meant for the protection of the body, the legs are meant for carrying the body, and the waist of the body is meant for maintaining the body. The intelligent class in society, therefore, must speak on behalf of the body, as well as accept foodstuff to satisfy the hunger of the body. The hunger of the Lord is to accept the fruits of sacrifice. The brahmanas, or the intelligent class, must be very expert in performing such sacrifices, and the subordinate classes must join in such sacrifices. To speak for the Supreme Lord means to glorify the Lord by means of propagating the knowledge of the Lord as it is, broadcasting the factual nature of the Lord and the factual position of all other parts of the whole body. The brahmanas, therefore, are required to know the Vedas, or the ultimate source of knowledge. Veda means knowledge, and anta means the end of it. According to Bhagavad-gita, the Lord is the source of everything (aham sarvasya prabhavah [Bg. 10.8]), and thus the end of all knowledge (Vedanta) is to know the Lord, to know our relationship with Him and to act according to that relationship only. The parts of the body are related to the body; similarly, the living being must know his relationship with the Lord. The human life is especially meant for this purpose, namely to know the factual relationship of every living being with the Supreme Lord. Without knowing this relationship, the human life is spoiled. The intelligent class of men, the brahmanas, are therefore especially responsible for broadcasting this knowledge of our relationship with the Lord and leading the general mass of people to the right path. The administrative class is meant for protecting the living beings so that they can serve this purpose; the mercantile class is meant for producing food grains and distributing them to the complete human society so that the whole population is given a chance to live comfortably and discharge the duties of human life. The mercantile class is also required to give protection to the cows in order to get sufficient milk and milk products, which alone can give the proper health and intelligence to maintain a civilization perfectly meant for knowledge of the ultimate truth. And the laborer class, who are neither intelligent nor powerful, can help by physical services to the other higher classes and thus be benefited by their cooperation. Therefore the universe is a complete unit in relationship with the Lord, and without this relationship with the Lord the whole human society is disturbed and is without any peace and prosperity. This is confirmed in the Vedas: brahmano ‘sya mukham asid, bahu rajanyah krta
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: “The Status Quo” : SB 3.3: The Lord’s Pastimes Out of Vrndavana : SB 3.3.27 : PURPORT :
All these charities were meant for the brahmanas, whose lives were devoted entirely to the welfare of society, both spiritually and materially. The brahmanas were not giving their services as paid servants, but the society provided them with all necessities. It was arranged for some of the brahmanas, who were in difficulty for marriage, to be given girls. The brahmanas, therefore, had no economic problems. The ksatriya kings and rich mercantile men would provide them with all that they needed, and in exchange the brahmanas were completely devoted to the elevation of society. That was the way of social cooperation between the different castes. When the brahmana class or caste gradually became easygoing, being fed by the society although they had no brahminical qualifications, they degraded themselves into brahma-bandhus, or disqualified brahmanas, and thus other members of society also gradually fell down from the social standard of progressive life. As described in Bhagavad-gita, the caste system is the creation of the Lord and is arranged according to the quality of work rendered to society and not in terms of birthright, as falsely claimed in the present degraded society.
Raja Caturbahu das Bhakti says ;
” But the ksatriya can not be expected function/produce results with no congregation to back up his leadership. this is cooperation, by varna and asrama. Brahman is NOT the civil leader. All the problems I see on these forums are civil/social in nature for the most part. These [problems are the duties
of a ksatriya “.
The above said statement is very much CONDITIONAL.
Varna and Asrama system is naturally divided and existed as per the nature. It is the individual and group of individual who choose/s to defy the Laws of Nature and avoid it to follow through under the various influence of the mode of nature. That is the problem of suffering the conditioned Jivas.
Therefore, Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions – VANI is there as a guidance of reminding all of us to follow through according to the capacity of the Individual.
Varna and Asrama begins with the Individual, then, expands it in to the family and the like minded friends and so on. That is exactly what Srila Prabhupada has demonstrated in His manifested lila and left behind His VANI for the serious and sincere followers to make our lives sublime in KC and go back Home Back to Godhead.
More later.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna Prabhus
I am very amazed why MPD is not replying or intervening in this most serious issue ?
Form the very beginning i am seeing , there is not a single response from MPD or IB devotees on this issue. Is this the Vaishnava behavior ? We can not expect such behavior from MPD. HKC devotees are almost begging for the meeting from the very beginning even after so much exploitation from AP jaipur devotees. Still MPD/IB is not replying , this is shameful. MPD only replied once in this forum when somebody raised the issue of Indian High court decision, thats it.
Is MPD is thinking of “his” group only?
Yours
Bhakta John
Hare Krishna.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
PAMHO.
@BHakt John : Yes i can say MPP is thinking of “his” group only. Its really shameful. Few days back Bill Clinton visited akshay patra jaipur and MPP was there to receive him but MPP did not even thought of resolving this issue. He came jaipur for Bill Clinton but has no concern for HKC Jaipur devotees to whom AP jaipur devotees are blaspheming under his “guidance” from last 5 years.
Even after raising voice in an open forum like this where many many devotees are reading all the mis conducts of akshay patra jaipur devotees , still MPP has not ordered them to stop the bad propaganda against HKC. Recently two devotees of akshay patra again blasphemed HKC in one government office to one person who use to go to HKC and AP both. These two folk boys told him “HKC is bogus, Why Dayalu Nitai has opened another center ? Why he is not working under AP etc. etc.” One of our initiated congregation devotee also works in the same office, his name is Gaur Shakti Das, he informed me that after hearing these two folk boys that man also started speaking same things.
Like this these AP devotees has poisoned and misguided many people, students in last five years.
i do not understand what is their motto ? What is their goal in KC movement ?
This is most duplicitous behavior on MPP’s part. One side he is showing that he is fighting for Prabhupada and on other side he is destroying Prabhupada’s movement.
Can anybody reply , how MPP’s/IB’s/AP’s this behavior can help growing Prabhupada’s mission ???
Your Servant
Ram Das
How to promote your own personal power and prestige, using philanthropic activities as a front. This is the power of a photo opportunity and the oldest trick in the book. At the same time you can use such “connections” to further plunder and pillage the sincere and selfless efforts of unsuspecting donors and people who are working for the public good for ones ‘own’ ends. Bill is doing what Bill does best (has he ever told a lie?) of course not! LOL Is he (and of course Hillary) working hard to promote US Multinational Biotech Companies and GM foodstuffs in 3rd World countries to promote his own countries national interest and enslave the world with Biotech and GM food ‘dependence? What do you think? or does he only have the interest of all those poor little hungry kids at heart? Does a photo ever lie? This photo of Bill Clintons visit to Jaipur looks a lot like the photo Gopal Krishna made a short time ago in Mumbhai, maybe they have the same “Public Relations Dept”.
You don’t have to be a hypocrite yourself to understand another hypocrite! Why does ‘hope’ always have to triumph over ‘experience’! Wake up to yourselves! If this ‘photo’ says anything it is “Birds of a feather flock together”
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
GM foods are dangerous:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html
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Monsanto is doing this for MONEY so the farmer becomes TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON MONSANTO FOR BUYING FURTHER SEEDS.
Some one in the KNOW told me they FIRST sell the seeds to farmers in India and other under-developed countries and the result is that THOSE GM SEEDS CROPS DO NOT PRODUCE FURTHER SEEDS. They HAVE to PURCHASE ANOTHER LOT FROM MONSANTO – AGAIN. This means the FARMER remains DEPENDENT on MONSANTO.
Anyone further interested in GM seeds,Monsanto, farmer suicides in India, read:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/201332813553729250.html
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Note: avidyām—nescience. Vidya is KNOWLEDGE and nescience is NO KNOWLEDGE. What this GENETIC MODIFIED crops do is go AGAINST nature. The GM scientists are ignorant of SPIRITUAL VALUES hence, you see the problems. Nature does not tolerate. Just like fire even a child touches it, gets burnt.
The material scientist is concerned HOW to work for the company for PROFIT and the Company ALSO wants to RETAIN the customer FOR PROFIT. It has no a concern IF THERE ARE SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES. They do not consider that this is a dangerous play you are dealing with peoples LIVES creating POVERTY traps, SUICIDES, AND DANGEROUS HEALTH RISKS.
Prabhupada > Books > Sri Isopanisad – 1974 Edition > Iso 11
Mantra Eleven
vidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ ca yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
avidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
vidyayāmṛtam aśnute
SYNONYMS
vidyām—knowledge in fact; ca—and; avidyām—nescience; ca—and; yaḥ—a person who; tat—that; veda—knows; ubhayam—both; saha—simultaneously; avidyayā—by culture of nescience; mṛtyum—repeated death; tīrtvā—transcending; vidyayā—by culture of knowledge; amṛtam—deathlessness; aśnute—enjoys.
TRANSLATION
Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.
If Madhu Pandit had any credibility at all he should have come clean about the many accusations levelled against him. Instead he wants to suck up to a hypocrite self promoting, corporate predator like Clinton who was confronted by many demonstrators when he came to Australia just the other day. Vaisnavas should not degrade themselves by licking the boots of these political, calculating, high-flying toe-rags in the guise of ‘helping the poor people of the world’ and at the same time profiteering on his lecture tours.
Politicians never tell the truth. They never answer questions. They only give ‘scripted replies’ or they are silent because they have NOTHING BUT CONTEMP FOR THE PEOPLE THEY CHEAT AND EXPLOIT, BECAUSE DEEP DOWN THEY DESPISE THEM. Now and again they seek the association of even bigger cheaters and like Nero they venture out among the ‘unfortunate souls’ (surrounded by their bodyguards) and throw them a few coins or foodstuffs so they can hear themselves beying ‘praised’ for beying so ‘magnanimous and merciful’
Clinton should take care of his own citizens instead of contributing to the degradation of the USA with its contamination by GM crops, ex soldiers living in storm-drains, sticking needles in their arms and tens of thousands of ordinary US citizen living in ‘car parks’ living on junk food.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Is this issue settled now?
Hare Krishna.
No , this issue is still not settled yet. Even after writing so much still MPP/IB Group did not respond. THis is shameful. As i told earlier, MPP is thinking of “his” group only. If he is really wanted to resolve this issue he would have come in an open forum but alas he has no time from HIS PHILANTHROPIC Job.
You will be shocked after knowing that still they did not stop their bad propaganda against HKC Jaipur devotees. One of their brahmacari , Ajit Krishna Das, told to one donor of HKC, Mr. Gujrani, who is very well supporting the Varnashrama Project not to give donation to HKC.
ys
Ram Das
Hare Krishna ritvik Prabhupadanuga prabhus. Respects. all glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I have been chanting since 1972, joined ISKCON full time in San Diego, CA in September 1977, and am the first ritvik ceremony Prabhuppadanuga after Srila Prabhupada passed away. The ceremony was held May 22 1986 in Harki Puri Hardwar India. That same day, Sulocan Das prabhu was murdered in Los Angeles, for exposing the vada vata ratas of the corrupt part of ISKCON.
After I saw conflict between Ameyatma Das prabhu and Bangalore years ago, “I” formed with Naveen Krishna and Gadadhar das, an informal committee, called., The Srila Prabhupada Mercy committee. The conflict was solved, because Madhu Pandit Das prabhu did take the time to communicate and because of the very humble and meek attitude of Ameyatma Das prabhu. The mercy committee has been reactivated due to the conflict going on between Bangalore, AP and the HKC of Jaipur. This time, we have compiled all Srila Prabhupada said on unity and cooperation and on Istigosthi, but we have not had any significant response from Jaipur nor Bangalore so far.
Srila Prabhupada founded ISKCON with mainly one objective. That is., that devotees be united. cooperate, build trust and eventually truly love Sri Krishna and each other. Of course, even the best of us, are at least at times touched by the qualities found in the kanista platform such as intolerance and anger, so naturally, there are difficulties in unity and cooperation.
At any level, the foremost quality of a Vaisnava, is tolerance. Being humble and meek, being jolly and with equal vision, are also qualities of a mystic. The most exulted Krishna Das Kaviraja Goswami, considers himself to be., “worse than a worm in the stool.” So if you ask me, and considering the greatness of Krishna., (Millions of universes coming from just one pore of His skin, etc,) we should consider ourselves to be., worms in the stool of the worm. This is true Vaisnavism. Never proud. Then there will be better chance for unity, cooperation, trust and love.
Communication is most important, if not, Srila Prabhuppada would have not written 80 books, 8,000 letters and given over 2,000 recorded lectures. So we must always try to have open ways of communication, not be afraid to speak and make sure we don’t make it so others are afraid to speak. Gross violence should never be allowed, unless to protect ourselves and others in case of threat of death.
All takes time. Srila Prabhupada said that at our level of conditioning, it will take., “hundreds of thousands of lives,” to become siddha. We at the Srila Prabhupada Mercy committee, advocate patience and to never loose faith. As ritvik Prabhupadanugas, it is just a matter of time for guaranteed success. We are happy therefor, that devotees want communication, unity, trust and love and are sharing what Srila Prabhupada said on the subject. We at the mercy committee, were looking to have the leaders of all ritvik camps under one roof for the celebration of the 50 years anniversary of ISKCON in 2016, but have found that there is little education on the subject and too much indifference and antagonistic attitudes for us to be able to fulfil the desires of Srila Prabhupada successfully this time around. So unless some leaders change and act fast, we can only advocate that for the 2016, 50 years of ISKCON, we place emphasis on education and promotion of the unity, cooperation, trust and love Srila Prabhupada wants from us, in our “independent” celebrations. Thanks for your attention. Jai Srila Prabhupada!
Sincerely,
Mahatma Das
Madhu Pandit’s involvement and collaboration particularly with Monsanto (Demoniac Agri-chemical Biotech Corporation), Bill Gates (Fascist and Eugenics advocate), Bill and Hillary Clinton (Monsanto shareholders and the latter, former lawyer of Monsanto) shows that he is about as far away from Srila Prabhupada as you can get. Monsanto has been voted “The Most Evil Corporation in the World”! Would Srila Prabhupada approve of collaborating with and endorsing such a bunch of arseholes?
Monsanto now will have to face a tribunal in the Hague (in October 2016) accused of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! Are these the sort of scum we want to associate (and collaborate with) in the name of Srila Prabhupada? These GMO Demons have been ”playing” Madhu Pandit like a fool by creating the false perception that they ”care” about Indias poor school-children and using Akshaya Patra as a cheap way of ”cleaning up their dirty, evil corporate image”
Just calling oneself ”Prabhupadanuga” is just another “rubber stamp” unless there is ”real following and understanding of Srila Prabhupada and what he wants”. This is a disgrace and only one of a myriad of reasons why there is little cohesion…………Another rubber stamp, that’s all!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Mahatma Dasa writes ; ” ……….. The mercy committee has been reactivated due to the conflict going on between Bangalore, AP and the HKC of Jaipur. This time, we have compiled all Srila Prabhupada said on unity and cooperation and on Istigosthi, but we have not had any significant response from Jaipur nor Bangalore so far…. ”
The above mentioned writing speaks volumes. No doubt.
My humble suggestion to Mahatma dasa is that please send the compiled quotes of Srila Prabhupada on unity and cooperation to the parties involved as well as cc to the Host of this web site for necessary posting on this web site if he so desires for the benefits of the Readers visiting this site.
The ball is still in ISKCON Bangalore’s court. HKC Jaipur are still waiting for them to respond to their calls for an Isthaghosti to settle this matter but IB are still calling HKC bogus because they want to remain independent from IB Corporation.
Note: The FACT IS: neither party is for COOPERATION that Srila Prabhupada WANTS. It is all about clash of BIG FAT EGOS,MONEY and POWER CONTROL. Corporate business structures OR not corporate NOBODY gets away with anything. EVERYTHING is TESTED at the time of death marte (death) yanlo(you will know) haya(at the time). If one is after MONEY for becoming very big businessman maintaining his family, relations,friends etc for USING Krsna’s Name he will remember MONEY dealings NOT Krsna. RECIPROCALLY RESPONDENT means you can NOT cheat Krsna. Krsna KNOWS your DEALINGS and He RECIPROCATES on THOSE terms as Krsna says, “I REWARD ACCORDINGLY”. Our THOUGHTS what we have done DURING LIFETIME determine our NEXT body THESE THOUGHTS become PROMINENT at the TIME OF DEATH. yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram you get YOUR NEXT BODY based on YOUR THOUGHTS during YOUR LIFE TIME. These THOUGHTS become PROMINENT at DEATH —and you get your body— this can be businessman, cheater, demon, devotee, dog etc etc Your thoughts DETERMINE the selection. The laws of Karma have 8,400,000 bodies on offer for sinful activity. So —who is going to get away? Either one accepts Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions and SURRENDER to those instructions OR by the laws of Karma he will spend time in this Jail of material world doing time accepting one body after another for DISOBEYING Srila Prabhupada.
Bg 4.11 T Transcendental Knowledge
ye yatha mam prapadyante
tams tathaiva bhajamy aham
mama vartmanuvartante
manusyah partha sarvasah
TRANSLATION
All of them–as they surrender unto Me–I REWARD ACCORDINGLY. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Prtha.
SB 1.2.17 P Divinity and Divine Service
The Lord is RECIPROCALLY RESPONDENT to His devotees. When He sees that a devotee is completely sincere in getting admittance to the transcendental service of the Lord and has thus become eager to hear about Him, the Lord acts from within the devotee in such a way that the devotee may easily go back to Him. The Lord is more anxious to take us back into His kingdom than we can desire. Most of us do not desire at all to go back to Godhead. Only a very few men want to go back to Godhead. But anyone who desires to go back to Godhead, Sri Krsna helps in all respects.
One cannot enter into the kingdom of God unless one is perfectly cleared of all sins. The material sins are products of our desires to lord it over material nature. It is very difficult to get rid of such desires. WOMEN AND WEALTH ARE VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEMS FOR THE DEVOTEE MAKING PROGRESS ON THE PATH BACK TO GODHEAD. MANY STALWARTS IN THE DEVOTIONAL LINE FELL VICTIM TO THESE ALLUREMENTS AND THUS RETREATED FROM THE PATH OF LIBERATION. But when one is helped by the Lord Himself, the whole process becomes as easy as anything by the divine grace of the Lord.
To become restless in the contact of women and wealth is not an astonishment, because every living being is associated with such things from remote time, practically immemorial, and it takes time to recover from this foreign nature. But if one is engaged in hearing the glories of the Lord, gradually he realizes his real position. By the grace of God such a devotee gets sufficient strength to defend himself from the state of disturbances, and gradually all disturbing elements are eliminated from his mind.
730722BG.LON Lectures
In Bengali it is said, bhajana kara sadhana kara murti yanre haya. (?) You may be very great devotee. That’s all right. BUT IT WILL BE TESTED AT THE TIME OF YOUR DEATH, HOW YOU REMEMBER KRSNA. THAT WILL BE THE TEST EXAMINATION.
750111SB.BOM Lectures
So mind is the basic principle of another form of body. Therefore our Krsna consciousness movement is training the mind how to remain Krsna conscious at the time of death, because Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, yam yam vapi smaran bhavam. Therefore in Bengali poetry there is a saying, bhajan kara sadhan kara mate janle haya,(?) means “You are doing everything in spiritual life, BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE EXAMINED AT THE TIME OF DEATH. HOW YOU HAVE PRACTICED YOUR BHAJANA, SADHANA, THIS WILL BE EXAMINED AT THE TIME OF DEATH.” If at the time of death you remember Krsna, that will be the examination. We are chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, training the mind. So at the time of death, if you think of Krsna, then your examination is passed. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam. That krsna-bhava immediately will carry you to the Krsnaloka.
Bg 8.6 T Attaining the Supreme
yam yam vapi smaran bhavam
tyajaty ante kalevaram
tam tam evaiti kaunteya
sada tad-bhava-bhavitah
Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.
PURPORT
The process of changing one’s nature at the critical moment of death is here explained. How can one die in the proper state of mind? Maharaja Bharata thought of a deer at the time of death and so was transferred to that form of life. However, as a deer, Maharaja Bharata could remember his past activities. Of course the CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THE THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS OF ONE’S LIFE INFLUENCES ONE’S THOUGHTS AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH; THEREFORE THE ACTIONS OF THIS LIFE DETERMINE ONE’S FUTURE STATE OF BEING. If one is transcendentally absorbed in Krsna’s service, then his next body will be transcendental (spiritual), not physical. Therefore the chanting of Hare Krsna is the best process for successfully changing one’s state of being to transcendental life.
750216BG.MEX Lectures
Prabhupada: That we have explained that you have to accept another body. And there are 8,400,000 different forms of body. And you will be awarded one of the bodies out of the 8,400,000. The body is awarded according to your karma or action. We are acting in three modes of material nature. Some of them are acting in goodness, some of them are acting in passion, and some of them are acting in ignorance. So there are three different modes of activities. Now, when you mix up three, three into three, it becomes nine. And again if you multiply nine by nine, it becomes eighty-one. So it increases in so subtle division of the mixture of the three qualities. Just like the painter. He knows how to mix the three original color, namely blue, yellow and red. The red color represents passion, and the yellow color represents ignorance, and the blue color represents goodness. So as the color painter, er, painter knows how to mix and make varieties of colors, similarly, the three modes of material nature being mixed up, they are represented in so many different forms of body. SO AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, IN YOUR HUMAN FORM OF BODY, YOU ARE ALSO MIXING THE SAME QUALITIES IN YOUR DIFFERENT DESIRES. THAT MEANS YOU ARE CREATING YOUR NEXT BODY. SO AT THE TIME OF DEATH THE THOUGHTS AND THE ACTIVITIES WHICH WILL BE PROMINENT WITHIN YOUR MIND, YOU WILL GET A SIMILAR BODY IN NEXT LIFE. Therefore the intelligent man should be very cautious to get the next body. We can get the body like God; we can get the body like the dog.
750207BG.HAW Lectures
Just like you infect some disease, nature’s law is that you must suffer from that disease. Nobody has got to do anything. The law is so… Nature’s law is like that. If you take more food than you can digest… (aside:) (child crying) Where is that child? Then immediately there will be dysentery. This is nature’s law. If you take more than you can digest, then immediately there will be indigestion, means you cannot assimilate so much food. That is nature’s law. If you touch fire, either you touch or your innocent child touch, the fire will burn it. Fire will not consider that “Here is a child. Let me excuse.” No, it will burn. This is nature’s law. SIMILARLY, THE THOUGHTS WHICH YOU ARE MAINTAINING DURING YOUR LIFETIME, IF THAT THOUGHT BECOMES PROMINENT–NATURALLY IT BECOMES–AT THE TIME OF DEATH, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SIMILAR BODY. IF YOU ARE THINKING LIKE A DEMON, THEN YOU GET THE DEMON’S BODY NEXT LIFE. AND IF YOU ARE THINKING LIKE A DEVOTEE, THEN YOU GET YOUR NEXT LIFE BACK TO HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD. THIS IS NATURE’S LAW.
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE CO-OPERATIVELY. “Our” and “your’s” are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
Mahesh Raja says:
“The FACT IS: neither party is for COOPERATION that Srila Prabhupada WANTS. It is all about clash of BIG FAT EGOS,MONEY and POWER CONTROL.”
Do you know the devotees of HKC Jaipur?
Have you ever visited them?
You are being very presumptious about them.
Be careful not to commit offences to sincere, hard-working, dedicated Prabhupadanugas.
As for ISKCON Bangalore.. They are businessmen, compromisers and deviators.
That much is clear.
Mahesh also plays the “devotees don’t criticise” card, but he himself endlessly criticizes ISKCON GBC & “gurus” calling them money-grabbing crooks, etc. etc. etc…
Prahlad das : Do you know the devotees of HKC Jaipur?
Have you ever visited them?
You are being very presumptious about them.
Maheh: Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them:
Prahlad das : Mahesh also plays the “devotees don’t criticise” card, but he himself endlessly criticizes ISKCON GBC & “gurus” calling them money-grabbing crooks, etc. etc. etc…
Mahesh: Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them. You do not understand EVEN the basics: Calling a spade a spade. These bogus ISKCON GBC are bogus because they are NOT elected by Direction of Management 1970 as per Srila Prabhupada. The bogus gurus produced by them are CONDITIONED soul money screwing slavery making CROOKS who have usurped Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position. Why be so IGNORANT just read:
“A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
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Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
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Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44113#more-44113
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Physically Present Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31641
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31834
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WHEN I order
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31480
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43453#more-43453
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here or
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
And for Individual highlighted louder version of the whole CD , please go to
http://www.culturedbooks.com/audio/audio-address.html
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
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760206mw.may Conversations
Tamala Krsna: Burnt off. (break) What is the way to draw the line between the following three things: blasphemy, fault-finding, and calling a spade a spade?
Prabhupada: A spade a spade… Just like I am saying that “What you are? You are small fig only.” That is reality. And what is the other?
Tamala Krsna: The other is fault-finding and…
Prabhupada: Fault-finding, that is another fault, that… vranam icchanti, maksika vranam icchanti, madhum icchanti(?) Just like the flies, they are finding out where is sore, and the bees, they are finding out where there is honey. So two animals, they have got two business: fault-finding and collecting the good things. These are two… Just like creature. They are two classes. Similarly, there are many rascals who are simply fault-finding.
Tamala Krsna: And blasphemy?
Prabhupada: Blasphemy means you have good qualities, but still, I am defaming you.
Prahlad das : Mahesh also plays the “devotees don’t criticise” card, but he himself endlessly criticizes ISKCON GBC & “gurus” calling them money-grabbing crooks, etc. etc. etc…
Mahesh: These have USURPED Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position in ISKCON, Denied the Ritvik System Ordered by Srila Prabhupada as per July 9th 1977, given Srila Prabhupada poison to kill him, stolen his properties, stolen his disciples, Stolen Temples,driven away devotees, had devotees beaten up, manipulated devotees, Changed his books to call them “money-grabbing crooks, etc. etc. etc…” is called SATYAM, TRUTHFULNESS:
10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
SATYAM, TRUTHFULNESS, MEANS THAT FACTS SHOULD BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
So Mahesh is constantly criticizing ISKCON GBC & “gurus”, and now he is criticizing ISKCON Bangalore and HKC Jaipur. Is there anyone he doesn’t criticize? Oh, yes, he never criticizes Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana).
Mahesh wrote >> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them. You do not understand EVEN the basics: Calling a spade a spade. These bogus ISKCON GBC are bogus because they are NOT elected by Direction of Management 1970 as per Srila Prabhupada. The bogus gurus produced by them are CONDITIONED soul money screwing slavery making CROOKS who have usurped Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position. Why be so IGNORANT
OMG! You actually believe the nonsense that Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA) writes on his krishna1008 blog! Please show me some evidence that HKC Jaipur or myself have got anything at all to do with Bhakta Das or Hari Sauri, or any bogus ISKCON PERSONS. It is 100% lies from Tim Lee, and you believe it. Wow.
I have nothing against criticizing these Kali-chelas and Putana “gurus” of ISKCON. If you were on FaceBook you would see that I am always criticising and exposing them, as I have been doing for around 25 years. But, you already know this as I have known you for at least 20 years.
I was only pointing out your hypocrisy, as you were saying that devotees don’t criticise but you were criticizing ISKCON, Bangalore and HKC. You are a fool to blindly believe Tim Lee’s LIES about HKC and myself. So, please show me any evidence at all for your accusations!
Bhakta Dasa – The Missing Link!
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/bhakta-dasa-missing-link.html
Prahlad das:So Mahesh is constantly criticizing ISKCON GBC & “gurus”, and now he is criticizing ISKCON Bangalore and HKC Jaipur. Is there anyone he doesn’t criticize? Oh, yes, he never criticizes Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana).
Mahesh: Puranjan is not IMMATURE like you.Your point in bringing in Puranjan in this topic is to hide your anger that you are DEFEATED so somehow focus the topic on Puranjana hoping that devotees will fall for the trick:
751028mw.nai Conversations
IF YOU DIRECTLY CALL A RASCAL A RASCAL, HE’LL BE ANGRY. MURKHAYOPADESO HI PRAKOPAYA NA SANTA…: TO GIVE GOOD INSTRUCTION TO A FOOL RASCAL WILL INCREASE HIS ANGER, THAT’S ALL.” THEN YOU’LL NOT BE ABLE TO PREACH. So you have to become very humble, trnad api sunicena, humbler than the grass. Just like everyone is trampling over the grass. It doesn’t protest, “Why you are going, keeping your leg on my head?” But that is the… Trnad api sunicena. Go on trampling. Hundreds’ and hundreds’ people are trampling over the grass; they don’t protest. Trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna. The tree is standing. You sit down. When there is scorching heat, you take pleasure by sitting down under the shade. But the reward is that you cut the branches. That is their reward. He gives you shelter, and you cut the branch. You cut the whole tree. This is your gratefulness. You see? Because we are rascals, we do not know what is gratefulness. They are taking milk from the cow and killing. This is our proposal. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu advises, taror api sahisnuna–tolerant, humbler than the grass. Amanina manadena. Don’t expect any honor for your person, but to the others give honor: “Oh, you are most exalted person,” although he’s a rascal. What can be done? Otherwise you cannot preach. If you call a rascal a rascal, immediately your preaching will be stopped. So you have to say that “You are the greatest intelligent man, sadhu, most honored. The only request is that vou forget what you have learned. That’s all. And take this.” In this way preaching practical. Otherwise it is not possible.
Note: Aside from MY CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms you have CONVENIENTLY forgotten that I have stated on THIS website PREVIOUSLY that BOTH the parties have got ALSO good elements ALSO like 1) HKC has good edge for inviting many foreign devotees. 2) Bangalore folks have EXCELLENT management skills.
The situation with Jaipur is OBVIOUS as I have state here BEFORE. There are 3 parties Gopal Krsna’s ISKCON people, HKC, Bangalore Party with AP. They ALL have ONLY FEW MAIN donating RICH MEN to go to. This is WHY there is an issue. HKC was there in Jaipur BEFORE Bangalore folks – so when they went in it created friction in COLLECTION for DONATION. Animals like Tigers when they go in the forest they urinate in a place they MARK this as THEIR TERRITORY so other tigers KNOW they have to go elsewhere —- so these folks are also after marking DONATION COLLECTING TERRITORY. They are supposed to have READ Srila Prabhupada’s books BUT do not know how to settle the difference:
Prahlad das:The ball is still in ISKCON Bangalore’s court. HKC Jaipur are still waiting for them to respond to their calls for an Isthaghosti to settle this matter but IB are still calling HKC bogus because they want to remain independent from IB Corporation.
Mahesh: Just see! they want an ISTHAGHOSTHI for————discussing ONLY DONATION COLLECTING TERRITORY!!
Very inspiring Istagosthi !!!
Note: here is HOW they used to discuss REAL Istagosthi:
68-02-25 Letter: Satsvarupa
Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of a copy of your last Istagosthi dated Jan. 27, and I am very much satisfied with your replies on the questions made in the Istagosthi. The meeting is called “Istagosthi” and not “Istagosthi”. You may know also that Ramakrishna’s worship of Kali makes him a third class man. In the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that one who worships the demigods just like Brahma, Siva, Indra, Candra or demigoddesses like Kali, Durga, Sarasvati, etc., are described as persons who have lost their intelligence. One person who has lost his intelligence, how he can become an incarnation of God? A person who has lost his intelligence, is not even counted amongst the higher section of society. So, the Ramakrishna is a bogus man according to the statement of Bhagavad-gita. Vivekananda was also not even intelligent man because he accepted Ramakrsna as incarnation of God. This Ramakrsna, who is actually Gadadhara Chatterjee, declared himself as the same Rama and Krsna. If he is accepted as such by some person, is he very intelligent man? Suppose a man comes before somebody and says he is Pres. Johnson. and the foolish man accepts the pretender as Pres. Johnson, is that man to be accepted as very intelligent man? Vivekananda was not even an intelligent man because he accepted Gadhadhara Chatterjee as incarnation of God without any credentials. We accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead on the evidence of Vedic literature. There is no evidence in the Vedic literatures that a common unintelligent person by worshipping a demigoddess Kali can become an incarnation of Godhead. The goddess Kali is divine mother for the conditioned souls, not for the liberated souls. There is no direction in the Vedic literatures that one can become liberated even by worshipping the goddess Kali. She is superintendent of the prison house known as material world. One can derive some material facilities by worshipping Kali or Durga, but nobody can become liberated by worshipping such demigoddesses, so what to speak of becoming incarnation of Godhead. So the propaganda that Ramakrsna became incarnation of God by worshipping Kali is not accepted by any authorized acharya and therefore it is a bogus propaganda. One who follows therefore, such bogus propaganda is also misled as far as his spiritual advancement is concerned.
You have to meet many opposing elements in the matter of preaching work therefore you should always be careful to follow the principles of Bhagavad-gita as it is.
Prahlad Das says ; ” So Mahesh is constantly criticizing ISKCON GBC & “gurus”, and now he is criticizing ISKCON Bangalore and HKC Jaipur. Is there anyone he doesn’t criticize? Oh, yes, he never criticizes Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana). ”
After reading such remarks from Prahlad Das, I wonder WHO he is ?
What and whom he supports and stands for ?
What is his motive and / or personal agenda ?
Can some body please answer these questions ?
Or
Perhaps, it is better if Prahald das may answer these questions directly.
Hare Krishna Amar Puri, I thought it was already clear…
I only support Srila Prabhupada and his sincere, dedicated, non-compromising followers who accept his ritvik, and all other, orders. I have been exposing the deviations of ISKCON GBC & “gurus” for 25 years, and the deviations of ISKCON Bangalore for 4 years.
I did not say that kali-chelas like ISKCON GBC & “gurus” should not be criticised. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Mahesh who was saying that devotees don’t criticize at the same time as he was criticizing ISKCON GBC, then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations). Actually, Mahesh doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. He has never associated with, or visited HKC Jaipur or ISKCON Bangalore. It seems that he only reads the nonsense LIES about HKC, myself, Janardan and other Prabhupadanugas on Tim Lee’s (Puranjana/PADA) krishna1008 blog and blindly accepts those offensive, ridiculous LIES as infallible truth! Tim Lee is perfect example of “The best way to control the opposition (Prabhupadanugas) is to lead it”. He tries to demonise genuine Prabhupadanugas so only he can control the ‘ritvik’ narrative and ensure that only he will remain as king of the ritvik hill. I thought this had become obvious to any intelligent devotees but it seems that I was mistaken, as persons such as Mahesh appear to accept Tim Lee as their siksha guru! Anyway I am still waiting for Tim Lee and Mahesh to provide ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support their accusations… Jaya Prabhupada.
Tim Lee is constantly repeating (forat least 3 years now) ridiculous, offensive LIES about HKC, myself and other Prabhupadanugas on his krishna1008 blog. He does this to anyone who disagrees with him or criticizes his masters at ISKCON Bangalore. Here is just a few recent example out of many dozens:
[PADA: Another devotee asked me why Dayalu Nitai’s HKC Jaipur spokesman Prahlad is still saying PADA’s idea to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is “destroying ISKCON,” and most of the HKC folks are against us and they are instead promoting Bhakta das, one of the biggest GBC guru’s cheer leaders and he is also a giant Gaudiya Matha groupie. Of course they are also citing another person who says the ritviks are “slimy snakes.” Great company they have there!
Worse, Bhakta das says our idea of worship of the pure devotee is “a cancerous tumor.” Worse, Bhakta das has encouraged all sorts of criminal behaviors that has given the Krishna movement a bad name and he was himself arrested for “sex crimes” in Puri. Fine person for your HKC Jaipur folks to publicly advertise as your shiksha guru spokesman.
I had to tell this devotee, there are people such as Bhakta das, who are simply pretending to want to see Srila Prabhupada being worshiped, but what they really think is that we Prabhupadanugas are a cancerous tumor. Bhakta das also promotes Radhanath’s program. OK, and we would say this is the sinister agenda that ruined ISKCON. So the HKC and their spokesman have simply shown us what their real agenda is, thats all, they are sitting around making audio tapes of Bhakta das and not us, because they are still with the Gaudiya Matha’s groupies / Radhantha / Kirtanananda / designer drugs pada agenda. Its simple, as Sulochana said, birds of a feather flop together. ys,pd]
[PADA: The Prahlad / Dayalu Nitai / Sanat / Mukunda / HKC Jaipur folks should also jump off of their promoting this Bhakta das / Hari Sauri / Radhanath ship of fools ASAP, this ship is not going anywhere good, we can guarantee that. As someone said recently, these guys are worse than the GBC since they are helping Bhakta das promote their man to man sex sampradaya in the name of Prabhupadanugas. The good news is that Prahlad and HKC Jaipur folks have informed PADA that we are “potty mouths” for our not worshiping their bogus guru program. That makes them sound like even worse cry babies than the GBC, those who do not join them in promoting Radhanath’s cheer leaders like Bhakta das, and who oppose their worship of illicit sex as God’s messiahs project, are potty mouths? And lets not forget they also promote the writings of Bhavananda’s bucket boy Hari Sauri. Yep, these people have no idea — that the potty mouth department are these people who promote illicit sex as God’s acharyas. Anyway, this is all good, ALL these folks are all feeling the pressure of these issues — and our idea will win over time. ys pd]
[PADA: Oddly, as soon as Bhakta das announced that PADA’s “worship of Srila Prabhupada as the acharya program” is — a “toxic cancer tumor” idea, HKC Jaipur started making tapes with him to broadcast Bhakta das as their new shiksha guru and spokesman… What kind of religion declares that worship of their acharya is a cancerous tumor disease? And why would some GBC / Gaudiya Matha / HKC Jaipur folks promote these fools as their spokesmen, if they are actually dedicated to Srila Prabhupada? ys, pd]
[PADA: So anyone who says deviants are not messiahs is a secret FBI agent? Same problem we are having with a few of the Tamohara / Prahlad / Mukunda / Janardana/ Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur folks, some of them are saying anyone who opposes deviants as acharyas is an FBI agent employee, ok so they are saying anyone who objects to the worship of illicit sex is a government plant? How is that helping?
That means essentially, they are saying promoting illicit sex messiahs is the bona fide / good idea and should not be countered, and anyone who counters is a government plant? That also means — only the government plants know that illicit sex are not messiahs? That means, they are saying the government plant is more advanced than they are, we are protesting, they are saying its wrong to protest, i.e. they are with the evil doers program. And that is how these people enabled all these crimes the whole time. ys,pd]
[PADA: Same thing with happens with the Krishna Kirtan / Tamohara / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Dayalu nitai / HKC Jaipur folks, as soon as we said there is: — A bogus guru program / criminal abuse / book changes / poison issue program etc. they said we are “crazy PADA demon liars,” because they wanted the abuser acharyas to stay in power and to suppress our objections to the sexual predator messiah’s project.
And that is also why this group are currently working with and promoting Hari Sauri and Bhakta das, they still think that the program of worship of abusers / molesters / poisoners — as acharyas — is the way forward for the ISKCON society — and they want others to join forces with those who say the ritviks are “toxic cancers.” And the reason they say we are “toxic cancers,” is so they can get more Vaishnavas killed from their violent fanatics by using this toxic rhetoric. They want to have people murdered when they do not bow down to their molester messiahs, plain and simple.
And that is also why they oppose our Prabhupada temple in Vrndavana idea, and they oppose our lawsuit to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya idea, that means they’ll have Kirtanananda’s samadhi and not Prabhupada’s temple in Vrndavana. If you ask me, these are among the real infiltrators of ISKCON.
HKC Jaipur publicly go after anyone who worships Prabhupada and they publicly promote Radhanath’s cheer leaders, all in public. So you guys wanted all this public? ys,pd]
According to Mahesh, statements such as these are “common knowledge”, but the only persons on the planet saying these things is himself and Tim Lee. Is Tim Lee now Mahesh’s sole authority who only speaks 100% Truth? And where/what are these audio tapes that HKC are supposed to be making with *their new siksa guru Bhakta Das”?
SO MAHESH. PLEASE PROVIDE SOME LINKS TO ANYTHING (or post some quotes., anything) THAT WILL GIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THESE ACCUSATIONS COMING FROM YOU AND TIM LIE. IE. THAT HKC PUBLICLY ADVERTISE, SUPPORT & GLORIFY BHAKTA DAS, HARI SAURI. RADHANATH AND OTHER BOGUS PERSONS AND ARE MAKING AUDIO TAPES WITH THEM. ETC………
Hare Krishna prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada, our only shelter in this age of quarrel.
I read this article thinking it was a nice thing to propose that MP involves himself in the discussions with this Jaipur conflict directly, as we can all see it is going nowhere and just leading to more offenses. I have befriended some Jaipur devotees on social media and have studied their program. They have some very nice young bhaktas being trained up to preach throughout the world, on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. It is very unfortunate that this immature and low class finger pointing is going on, Srila Prabhupada certainly would not be pleased at all.
Prahlad prabhu is a good friend of mine, a loyal Prabhupadanuga who visits Jaipur often and helps serve the devotees there. He is a good devotee and has never deviated from Prabhupada for even a moment. This “Bhakta Das” Propaganda is pure propaganda and lies coming directly from the queen of lies himself Tim lee. I can tell that you mahesh have just blindly accepted Tim Lee’s propaganda without taking the time to do any type of verification or independent research on this bogus accusation. I still, to this day have no idea who Bhakti Das is, nor his connection to Radhanatha, nor does Jaipur, it is complete 100% lie. If you went to Jaipur and spoke to the children there, or some of the devotees they would look at you with confused eyes if you brought this accusation up, they truly have no idea who Bhakti Das is, what to speak of accepting this person’s “program”.
My good friend and senior Prabhupadanuga/Prabhupada disciple Kamsahanta Prabhu has also visited Jaipur, with Prahlad prabhu, and he has also given his nod of approval of their ritvik preaching program. He can also verify with absolute certainty that their is no affiliation with Radhanatha or this Bhakta das character, again 100% pure tim lee insanity, as usual. This is malicious slander, Machiavellian tactics that I would hope no sincere Prabhuapdanuga would help propagate, especially your good self Mahesh, as I believe you are acquaintances with Kamsahanta are you not? If you have some question I can forward you his telephone number and he can also verify everything I am telling you now.
Mahesh, if you cannot produce any proof of these accusations and you are just parroting Tim Lee, it should be noted you are not a very sincere person, nor do you value truth in any shape or form… perhaps you can take Ritvik Initation from Tim Lee and join his campaign of lies and treachery to further divide the real Prabhupadanugas and continue to stain their reputation with that lunatic. The same Tim Lee who supported the Turley lawsuit in which blamed Prabhupada for the abuse in the gurukuli. The same Tim lee who joined the Gopo Bhava club where he pretended he was a gopi, the same Tim lee that Prabhupada called “insincere”…the same Tim Lee who left the shelter of Srila Prabhupada and never apologized for his offenses. The same Tim Lee, who’s poor children grew up in his slum trailer covered in fleas and maggots and practically starved from malnutrition, and to this day are completely traumatized by having him as a father.(verifiable)
Mahesh, if you are sincere, simply ask tim lee for proof of these accusations…don’t just blindly accept what one offensive lunatic says as gospel.
Prahlad das :I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Mahesh who was saying that devotees don’t criticize at the same time as he was criticizing ISKCON GBC, then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations).
Mahesh:….. “then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations)”.
So————— go join with with ISKCON Bangalore tell them it is not about donations but your VERY VERY VERY DEEP BROTHERLY LOVE FOR THEM.
Just see! Ain’t they all Soooooo WONDERFUL sadhus – jai! Peace brothers!
Because there will be no fight for DONATIONS—-THEN they will all hug each other tears in eyes for so many offenses against each other ……..need I say anymore. And———–what a fairy tale ending – eh?
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Mahesh. Instead of making uninformed, immature comments like this maybe you could find time to post some actual EVIDENCE to support the numerous accusations made by yourself and your siksha guru Tim Lee against the HKC Jaipur devotees, Janardan and myself? We are still waiting………
Prahlad das :I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Mahesh who was saying that devotees don’t criticize at the same time as he was criticizing ISKCON GBC, then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations).
Mahesh: …..then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations).
Hare Krsna! Prabhus
Ok – it is school time.
Examination for Prahlad das (HKC spokesman) and HKC folks:
Please select ONE of the following as your answer:
Big fish has come to the area Jaipur, and the reason is:
a) Because the big fish wants to have a HOT plate of halva together FOREVER with small fish— for this is their HONEST intention.
b)The big fish is going to have Istagosthi with the small fish in BROTHERLY LOVE. Later they will BOTH shed tears of how many offenses they both committed against each other saying, “forgive me” “forgive me” and give a BIG BIG BEAR HUG – all past is forgotten forever.
c) Big fish has come to expand. The expanding NEEDS DONATION in that area. The BIG fish and small fish will struggle for DONATION from the SAME few RICH MEN. Hence, the complain against big fish.
After the exam —- JAPA time 16 rounds please and strictly NO talking. ONLY concentrate on HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
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“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Just see how quickly Krishna can remove the intelligence of persons (Mahesh / Tim Lee) who commit offenses to His sincere, hard-working Devotees (HKC Jaipur)…
Mahesh we are STILL WAITING FOR EVIDENCE OF YOUR’S & TIM LEE’S ACCUSATIONS…
All glories to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada wanted all his centers to be independent, not tied to some Central Control #1, so why is Madhu Pandit from South India, having control in Jaipur, North India?
Madhu Pandit knows what it is like to have developed a project that outsiders, like ISKCON GBC, want to take over, so how this hypocrisy is happening?
The differences in attitude between considering Srila Prabhupada to be a dead guru and a living guru are too large to ignore and keeping bhaktas with such different ideas in the same vicinity has proven to not work. In a similar way, Akshya Patra, under Madhu Pandit’s leadership, has been throughly influenced by the satanic Bill Gates and Monsanto foundations, and most informed devotees do not believe that Srila Prabhupada wants these satanic programs of poisoning children with vaccinations and GMO food-in the name of free food distribution, to be tied to His pure preaching mission.
So it seems that Jaipur Temple should either send Madhu Pandit’s man/men back to the South India to do seva there, or, failing that, put full faith in Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna, and remove themselves and start another Jaipur project. The success of a Krishna Consciousness project depends on the sincerity and blessings of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya on the members and supporters, not the buildings, etc. #2 Don’t fall into the litigation trap. #3
Same exact problems arise in ISKCON, over and over. Little fish become big fish and thinking they have grown big all by themselves, (not seeing the grace of Sri Guru in their success) those big fish want to swallow up the little fish instead of helping little fish grow up and training them to help other little fish to grow up nicely. And leaders refusing to discuss it and rectify the problem, is just par for the course, exactly like ISKCON. In-fighting suits them. Their leadership and followers become conditioned to the confusion, anger, hopelessness and grief produced by these tactics.
This is NOT what Srila Prabhupada and the Vaishnava Acaryas want.
Swans and crows will never get along even IF they are both dressed in the gold necklaces of Sriman Mahaprabhu’s samkirtan movement.
Hare Krishna. All glories to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
#1 Srila Prabhupada: “I wish that each and every branch shall keep their separate identity and cooperate keeping the acharya in the center. On this principle we can open any number of branches all over the world. The Rama Krishna mission works on this principle and thus as an organization they have done wonderfully.” (Letter, February 11, 1967)
#2 “If our men are trained, one man can run a place. One experienced man can sit down in a hut and simply talk about Krsna and organize the local people. This is how I started in the beginning”
#3 “My Guru Maharaja left in 1936, and now it is 1976, so after 40 years the litigation is still going on. Do not come to this.”
Prahlad Das ; Thank you for your kind answer to the questions I asked for. Your answer tells me that you are one of the honest and sincere followers of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
From the line of continuation remarks of Mahatma Dasa, Mahesh Raja reaffirms same in his comments which read ; ” The FACT IS: neither party is for COOPERATION that Srila Prabhupada WANTS. It is all about clash of BIG FAT EGOS,MONEY and POWER CONTROL. …………………….. ”
The above comments from Mahesh Raja as well as Mahatma Dasa, as an outsider observers seem valid and appropriate to the readers like myself and other perhaps. Let us not forget as an outsider, we have no any control of influence in saying their individual business of management of both the parties involved BUT to raise our genuine voices. That is what we can do and we are doing it with sincerity in presenting the FACTS.
After carefully reading and understanding the comments thus far, indeed, there has not been any type of response from any of the party involved for which all of us, as an outsider well wisher are anxiously awaiting for it besides a little note from Prahlad das which reads ;
” The ball is still in ISKCON Bangalore’s court. HKC Jaipur are still waiting for them to respond to their calls for an Isthaghosti to settle this matter but IB are still calling HKC bogus because they want to remain independent from IB Corporation. ”
From the above mentioned writing, it appears that Prahlad das seems a spoke person of the HKC Jaipur management of the organization.
Is my inference correct ?
If he is the Spoke person indeed, then, I shall revert further soon.
In case he is not the right spoke person of HKC Jaipur, then, let us please respect in limiting our differences in matter of accusing each other UNNECESSARILY as a third party which is very detrimental in the spirit of cooperation with each other furthering service to our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Let us hope for the good council shall prevail.
All Glories to the assembled devotees of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada ki jaya.
Amar Puri said>>
After carefully reading and understanding the comments thus far, indeed, there has not been any type of response from any of the party involved..
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Hare Krishna Amar. I have contacted HKC and informed them about this thread. They are very busy at this time distributing books for Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita marathon but they said that they will respond ASAP. Jaya Prabhupada.
Prahlad Das Prabhu, May I ask what is your valid status of involvement in the business of a fine Organization HKC Jaipur ?
Thank you. Hare Krishna.
Hare Krishna Amar.
I go out on Harinam with them, attend village & college programs, advise them about ISKCON history, and sometimes assist teaching the Gurukul boys.
I live in the UK, but stay in India for 6 months of each year since 2012. I spend some time living solitary in Vrindavan and 3-4 months living with the devotees at HKC Jaipur. I have no official position there but I support their activities 100% because they follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions 100%. I am their ‘dancing white elephant’.
In Spring 2014 I went to AP/IB Jaipur temple with Arjun Das, Bhakta Robin (Germany) and some Gurukul boys. We met with the temple vice president to invite the devotees there to participate in our Prabhupadanuga festival but they refused. They say that HKC are bogus because they are not affiliated with IB. We tried to give some invitations for the Prabhupadanuga Festival to some devotees there, but as soon as they saw that we were from HKC they just walked away. AP/IB brainwash them against HKC. It is very bad prabhu. AP Jaipur treat the young devotees there like slaves sending them out to collect donations for AP by any means necessary. They say that if they question their temple authorities they are devianting. They routinely demonise those young devotees who question their deviations from Prabhupada or money-collecting techniques. This behaviour actually resulted in the suicide of one young boy whom they spread propaganda about, saying he was homosexual. The new ‘ritvik-initiates’ are told to obey their IB/AP authorities. They are discouraged from studying Prabhupada’s books and are told that they can only understand the philosophy through their temple authorities & GBC who are all following the instructions of Madhu Pandit. These and other problems are also common in other IB/AP temples. I have personally spoke to devotees who have experienced these things
Anyway, I could go on, but it seems that as soon as the Truth about AP/IB is told it is very un-palatable for many Prabhupadanugas. You can see this from the reactions of Mahesh and Tim Lee here, and many other IB/AP supporters on FaceBook. If I told you everything I knew you would probably not believe me! Jaya Prabhupada.
Prahlad Das Prabhu,
Thank you for your kind answer to my question clarifying your status as a well wisher and sympathizer particularly to the cause of the devotees of the HKC Jaipur.
It is not that I do not believe in what little you have exposed in your writing and yet you are not sure yourself whether I would probably believe you or not indicate the level of your firm conviction you have about what you are exposing that which further creates more questions to you based on your little writing.
Giving you the benefit of doubt , AP/IB Jaipur temple ” new ritvik-initiates ” who have practically very little to no particular knowledge about HKC Jaipur activities what they do besides being told that HKC Jaipur is BOGUS because HKC is not under the banner of IB/AP, sound very foolish which can simply be clarified with well informed knowledge on this issue by any one.
I am totally astonished to read that you were personally there and could not clarify and educate these new initiates of AP/IB Jaipur. I am sorry to ask this questions, what kind of preaching work you did when you were personally joined with HKC devotees for preaching there ?
You have had a great opportunity to educate these people in a constructive ways. How come you did not avail such opportunity ? I am sorry, it looks like something is not making sense at all. May be I do not have the complete picture of understanding what is going on between HKC Jaipur and AP/IB Jaipur devotees.
OR
Perhaps, it falls under my previous comments which read ;
” From the line of continuation remarks of Mahatma Dasa, Mahesh Raja reaffirms same in his comments which read ; ” The FACT IS: neither party is for COOPERATION that Srila Prabhupada WANTS. It is all about clash of BIG FAT EGOS,MONEY and POWER CONTROL. ”
Now it is up to Prahlad das and / or HKC Jaipur to explain exactly what is going on.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
There are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear…
Amar, why are you NEVER asking Mahesh & Tim (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) Lee for EVIDENCE of their numerous, ongoing, malicious LIES about HKC Jaipur and other Prabhupadanugas?
IB/AP are blatantly deviating from Srila Prabhupada’s instructions in so many ways. Why are you NEVER mentioning those things?
Amar Puri says>> ”From the line of continuation remarks of Mahatma Dasa, Mahesh Raja reaffirms same in his comments which read ; ” The FACT IS: neither party is for COOPERATION that Srila Prabhupada WANTS. It is all about clash of BIG FAT EGOS,MONEY and POWER CONTROL.”
Now it is up to Prahlad das and / or HKC Jaipur to explain exactly what is going on.”
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No Amar. Now it is up to you and Mahesh to provide evidence for your allegation that it is a “FACT” that HKC Jaipur are “not for COOPERATION” and have “BIG FAT EGOS” and only want “MONEY and POWER CONTROL”. This is a serious accusation against Vaisnavas and requires EVIDENCE to back it up.
We are STILL WAITING for evidence from Mahesh and Tim Lee for their endless allegations against HKC Jaipur, Janardan and myself such as:
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.”
Mahesh has been silent for the last few days. I guess he and Tim Lee are very busy collating the mountain of evidence they will need to prove all of their allegations.
Prahlad Das Prabhu,
Did you read carefully from Mahatma Dasa what it says in his comments with regard to the COOPERATION ?
The same very token, keeping in mind, did you pay attention to what I have written and asked further questions from you ?
What and why it is so difficult for you to address and answer these further questions ?
Please answer these questions for the meaningful constructive understanding of some certain conclusion to take place.
We shall refer separately for clarification, if you so desire, regarding the issue of infiltration by Bhakta dasa in the HKC Jaipur organization which you are referring to Tim Lee and others their endless allegations and so on.
But at this point let us find and arrive at the constructive way to help in solving HKC Jaipur devotees to whom we are all well wisher and sympathizer.
NOT addressing the particular issues timely and thus avoiding it are the signs and symptoms of the presence of FAT EGOS which manifests subtly on account of Power, Prestige and Money control and so on.
Hope you as a Honest and Sincere person as I am begin to see and realize the importance of these issues by addressing in a timely fashion.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
ISKCON Times (Bangalore) and Krishna1008 (Tim Lee) only print articles and comment which follow their own view and will not print anything which has some criticism of Madhu Pandits ”programs and modus operandi”. This presents a problem I think for Mahesh Raja Prabhu because he contrbutes articles and comments on these websites.
Herein lies the problem!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Sudarsana Prabhu, Hare Krsna! Nice to hear from you. Ground realities have changed.That is no longer the case. It is A FACT that I wanted my Ritvik Based articles on ISKCON Times (Bangalore). The reason is many devotees in their camp were Soooo IGNORANT of the whole process on the Guru Issue. So they were oscillating all the time. It was a challenge. Many things are from confidential sources I will NOT disclose. On one hand they had a Court Case with Mumbai bogus GBC group who were after Take-Over of the Banglalore Temple etc and on the other hand they were to do a compromise for the fear of Take-Over. And “compromise” terms AT THAT TIME was—the Gundas from Mumbai/Mayapur wanted them to have their bogus GBC “gurus” in those temples giving classes etc. However – many articles that I wrote came out because I saw on Internet HOW MANIPULATIVE the GBC gundas were TRICKING the ISKCON Bangalore folks.
NOW the situation is different. IB (ISKCON Banglaore) have got some really INTELLIGENT devotees there. Plus——additional factor.
The additional factor is I heard from a source I can NOT divulge that IB folks had made a deal with Mayapur. True or Not? — up to you to check. The story is—- they have COMPROMISED. The “deal” is that Maypur construction BIG MONEY is going to be paid by IB folks IN RETURN for them to carry-on with the Ritvik System—and as some folks say COVERING SALARY AND POSITIONS of those ALL involved.
One devotee sent me Facebook picture of Mayapur Construction by Bangalore ISKCON with Bharatarshabha Dasa . How can a IB high profile devotee be seen with Mayapur Construction picture—and WITH his comments?
Is IB Top Brass devotees on SALARY?
Once I sent an email asking for Info from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu. He did not provide evidence BUT he suggested they were. Another confirmation was Nimai Pandit he too suggested they were. More and more devotees I talked to they came to the SAME conclusion.
Would you say this is just ALL Allegation or would you say there IS Truth in this BUT we can NOT yet prove it. In a murder case many times you find that body is NOT there so WHY do they charge the murderer? You have to see CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence ALSO. Srila Prabhupada WAS given POISON. This is a FACT!
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here or
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
And for Individual highlighted louder version of the whole CD , please go to
http://www.culturedbooks.com/audio/audio-address.html
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
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marica: When you read ANYTHING, apply the follow rule and you can never go wrong:
Allegation + evidence = FACT
Allegation – evidence =Allegation
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada given Poison is Allegation or FACT?
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A few months ago I emailed Dayalu Nitai introducing a devotee(Jayesh Prabhu) SAME email CC who wanted to HELP them with BIG donations but he wanted first to KNOW about their Cow Protection programmes and Varnasrama Project. Then just few weeks back I asked this devotee if Dayalu Nitai contacted him – the answer was NO!
THIS is their ATTITUDE. Dayalu Nitai did NOT even have the common decency to let me know.
I could have let my friend give donation to IB folks but I REJECTED that because I was NOT convinced. Based on Salaries business.
If however Dayalu Nitai Prabhu can SPEAK for himself and HKC then what is the NEED for third class arrogant mouth piece as Part-Timer HKC Self-Authorised rep to do his talking and bidding?
Lastly, Yes I DO apologise IN ADVANCE to ANYONE who I have offended in ALL sincerity if I have made a mistake ANYWHERE. Or if they think I have reasoned ill of them. But I will NOT compromise Srila Prabhupada’s standards.
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Hare Krsna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Can you please help us to see the light in all this quagmire – at least for someone like me who just wants to see the best for everyone in Srila Prabhupada’s service. Thanks.
All glories to your service.
Dear LW Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances. Hare Krsna!
You quoted it perfectly:
“Perhaps you may know that there are many political parties in a country but when the country’s total responsibility has to be executed, they become combined. To have some little disagreements among yourselves is not very unnatural because we are all individual beings. But as we are working on behalf of Krsna, we should always forget our personal interests and see to the prime cause.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 21, 1969)
Note: “we should always forget our personal interests and see to the prime cause.”
As I mentioned earlier Prahlad das and his groupies are in a loop their Pastime lila with Puranjana Prabhu and Prahlad will go on and on and on just like a talkative woman in market. I got no time for this. Who is going to waste time here looking at his postings? He goes on repeating Mahesh this Mahesh that etc. etc. etc. I have told him TWICE is it a) b) or C) instead he wants to play his game. This is just ARROGANCE. Now – I am just NOT interested in his postings. I have no time to waste.
Prabhu – we have move FORWARD. Let us hear Srila Prabhupada’s mp3s, read his books. Anything new comes up we can discuss.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
You wrote:
“As I mentioned earlier Prahlad das and his groupies are in a loop their Pastime lila with Puranjana Prabhu and Prahlad will go on and on and on just like a talkative woman in market. I got no time for this. Who is going to waste time here looking at his postings? He goes on repeating Mahesh this Mahesh that etc. etc. etc. I have told him TWICE is it a) b) or C) instead he wants to play his game. This is just ARROGANCE. Now — I am just NOT interested in his postings. I have no time to waste.”
Prabhu, everyone has to own up to their statements and not just dismiss the discussion when it becomes uncomfortable for us. Devotees are truth seekers – we want the truth. Please answer the following. Did you make the following statement as Prahlad Prabhu says? If so, do you still stand by your accusation, or what is your explanation?
“I will make it easy for Mahesh. Here is just one ALLEGATION he made above. Perhaps he could show his EVIDENCE for this? That would be a start.
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.”
I am not anyone’s “groupie,” so I am simply asking you, what is the truth and what is your explanation? If you want to be accepted as Prabhupada’s representative then please answer the simple question.
Thank you.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
It is disappointing with a new follower’s eyes to see this movement. There are basic rules.
I got an advice from a prabhu. I would like to tell this to others.
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When you read ANYTHING, apply the follow rule and you can never go wrong:
Allegation + evidence = FACT
Allegation – evidence =Allegation
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marica: When you read ANYTHING, apply the follow rule and you can never go wrong:
Allegation + evidence = FACT
Allegation – evidence =Allegation
Mahesh: Evidence is there. No smoke without fire: If there is smoke the fire MUST be there(smoke means EVIDENCE of fire). Large fish eat small fish: natures law. Why small fish complain Prabhus, you here for food? LIMITED food source in a given area GENERATES complain of the small fish:DONATIONS.
Question of USING your INTELLIGENCE.
“A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
Note: Puranjan and Tamohara / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Dayalu nitai / HKC Jaipur folks have Visvamitra and Vasistha type of LILA (Pastimes)—- best to leave them at it:
SB 9.7.7 The Descendants of King Mandhata
The son of Trisanku was Hariscandra. Because of Hariscandra there was a quarrel between Visvamitra and Vasistha, who for many years fought one another, having been transformed into birds.
PURPORT
VISVAMITRA AND VASISTHA WERE ALWAYS INIMICAL. Formerly, Visvamitra was a ksatriya, and by undergoing severe austerities he wanted to become a brahmana, but Vasistha would not agree to accept him. IN THIS WAY THERE WAS ALWAYS DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO. Later, however, Vasistha accepted him because of Visvamitra’s quality of forgiveness. Once Hariscandra performed a yajna for which Visvamitra was the priest, but Visvamitra, being angry at Hariscandra, took away all his possessions, claiming them as a contribution of daksina. Vasistha, however, did not like this, and therefore a fight arose between Vasistha and Visvamitra. THE FIGHTING BECAME SO SEVERE THAT EACH OF THEM CURSED THE OTHER. ONE OF THEM SAID, “MAY YOU BECOME A BIRD,” AND THE OTHER SAID, “MAY YOU BECOME A DUCK.” THUS BOTH OF THEM BECAME BIRDS AND CONTINUED FIGHTING FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF HARISCANDRA. We can see that such a great mystic yogi as Saubhari became a victim of sense gratification, and such great sages as Vasistha and Visvamitra became birds. This is the material world. Abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino ‘rjuna. Within this material world, or within this universe, however elevated one may be in material qualities, one must suffer the conditions of birth, death, old age and disease (janma-mrtyu jara-vyadhi). Therefore Krsna says that this material world is simply miserable (duhkhalayam asasvatam). The Bhagavatam says, padam padam yad vipadam: at every step here there is danger. Therefore, because the Krsna consciousness movement provides the opportunity for the human being to get out of this material world simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, this movement is the greatest benediction in human society.
Prahlad Das:
Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is #1 hypocrite as it is he who is doing all the personal attacks and mud-slinging. This is all he has done for 30+ years. He (and his little gang of bad-mannered, low-intelligence followers) are the reason why the Prabhupadanuga ‘ritviks’ are seen as offensive, fanatical, crazy, liars, etc.. His job is to defame the real Prabhupadanugas (except IB/AP Corporation) and cause fighting between them. He is paid-up cheerleader of ISKCON Bangalore and acts under the orders of Yasodanandana (IB’s ‘Western advisor’ & GBC). He likes to take the credit for the services of others, then demonises those devotees. He is seen, and promoted, by many ‘ritvik’ devotees who think he is some kind of leader of the Prabhupadanugas, but he is only a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They have fallen for his decades of lies and distortions. He is not even a devotee.
Now he is attacking, demonising & offending the genuine, sincere Prabhupadanugas from HKC Jaipur. He has gone too far. The worldwide Prabhupadanugas should demand that he and Madhu Pandit will stop their un-Vaisnava and low-class behaviour towards those who are sincerely trying to push on Prabhupada’s mission and strictly follow all of his instructions. They should meet for Istaghosti and resolve these issues, but so far they have only set their attack dog (Puranjana) on anybody who disagrees with them in any way. What kind of ‘devotees’ will continue to behave like this?
[PADA: Same thing with happens with the Krishna Kirtan / Tamohara / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Dayalu nitai / HKC Jaipur folks, as soon as we said there is: — A bogus guru program / criminal abuse / book changes / poison issue program etc. they said we are “crazy PADA demon liars,” because they wanted the abuser acharyas to stay in power and to suppress our objections to the sexual predator messiah’s project.
Tin Lie>> HKC Jaipur publicly go after anyone who worships Prabhupada and they publicly promote Radhanath’s cheer leaders, all in public, ETC. ETC. ETC………
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.
Mahesh says>> Puranjan is not IMMATURE like you. Your point in bringing in Puranjan in this topic is to hide your anger that you are DEFEATED so somehow focus the topic on Puranjana hoping that devotees will fall for the trick.
Mahesh says>> Evidence is there. No smoke without fire.
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So Mahesh, if this is “all in public” and “common knowledge” how is it that you and Tim Lee cannot produce a single scrap of evidence to support any your many allegations against HKC & myself??? WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
If you cannot produce any evidence then you should retract all of your accusations and apologise to all of the devotees involved for spreading malicious lies about them You should also apologise to the readers of ‘Prabhupada News’ for misleading them. Can you do this?.. One or the other?.. Provide evidence or beg forgiveness? Are you man/devotee enough to do what is right?
Prahlad das just answer this below. THEN I DEFINITELY will answer you. THAT is a promise.
Mahesh Raja says:
16. December 2015 at 2:20 pm
Prahlad das :I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Mahesh who was saying that devotees don’t criticize at the same time as he was criticizing ISKCON GBC, then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations).
Mahesh: …..then HKC and ISKCON Bangalore (accusing them of only fighting for donations).
Hare Krsna! Prabhus
Ok — it is school time.
Examination for Prahlad das (HKC spokesman) and HKC folks:
Please select ONE of the following as your answer:
Big fish has come to the area Jaipur, and the reason is:
a) Because the big fish wants to have a HOT plate of halva together FOREVER with small fish— for this is their HONEST intention.
b)The big fish is going to have Istagosthi with the small fish in BROTHERLY LOVE. Later they will BOTH shed tears of how many offenses they both committed against each other saying, “forgive me” “forgive me” and give a BIG BIG BEAR HUG — all past is forgotten forever.
c) Big fish has come to expand. The expanding NEEDS DONATION in that area. The BIG fish and small fish will struggle for DONATION from the SAME few RICH MEN. Hence, the complain against big fish.
After the exam —- JAPA time 16 rounds please and strictly NO talking. ONLY concentrate on HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
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“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
The Big Fish (ISKCON Bangalore) came to Jaipur to eat the Small Fish (HKC Jaipur) who had been established there for many years. For the good of Prabhupada’s mission the Small Fish fought back and refused to be eaten. So the Big Fish instructed their agents such as Tim Lee to demonise the Small Fish, and other Fish like yourself blindly accepted and repeated their LIES.
Now, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THE MANY FALSE ACCUSATIONS MADE BY YOU AND TIM LEE AGAINST HKC DEVOTEES, JANARDAN & MYSELF. That would be a good start. You have had enough time to provide plenty of evidence, so please keep your promise.
Prahlad das Is it a) b) or c) which one?
Mahesh, in a honest debate, or court of law, or Vaishnav istaghosthi, it is not allowed for one party to write three answers for their opponents and force them to choose one. It is simply ridiculous. Is this allowed?:
Hare Krsna! Prabhus
Ok — it is school time.
Examination for Mahesh and Tim Lee (IB spokesman).
Please select ONE of the following as your answer:
Are you both?:
A) Rascals
B) Fools
C) Offenders
So Mahesh. Is it A) B) or C) which one?
Now please stop playing childish games and show the devotees the EVIDENCE for your and Tim’s numerous accusations against HKC and other Prabhupadanugas. Here are a few more accusations that so far have not been backed up by ANY EVIDENCE. There are many, many more.: http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/unproven-crazy-accusations-by-tim-lee.html
Mahesh has said on this forum that the “evidence is there” and that it is “all in public” and it is “common knowledge”, but after many days (years in Tim’s case) they has not been able to show us any of this evidence. Nor are they prepared to apologise for their LIES and offenses to sincere, hard-working, non-compromising, Prabhupadanugas of HKC Jaipur. Therefore their spiritual progress is finished. Such a shame, but a lesson to be learnt for us all. Hare Krishna Jaya Prabhupada!
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Hare Krsna!
No! He has to answer—as per rules. I have a very GOOD reason.
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Hare Krsna!
But we have to go by the rules. He has to fulfill a) b) c) conditions if he wants an answer.
There is no compromise.
So Mahesh is being directed by his master Tim Lee (or is it Yasodanandan?), but will not name him. They know they have ZERO EVIDENCE for their ridiculous allegations and that they are already DEFEATED, and EXPOSED as liars.. so they resort to nonsense, delay tactics by asking stupid questions (with a choice of 3 answers pre-written by them) about fish. Just see! Krishna gives us intelligence, but can also take it away if we offend genuine devotees.
Prabhupada: One who is making false statement, he’ll suffer for that.
Prabhupada: Blasphemy means you have good qualities, but still, I am defaming you.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 8:20:4:
There is nothing more sinful than untruthfulness. Because of this, mother earth once said, “I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar.”
PURPORT
On the surface of the earth there are many great mountains and oceans that are very heavy, and mother earth has no difficulty carrying them. But she feels very much overburdened when she carries even one person who is a liar. It is said that in Kali-yuga lying is a common affair: māyaiva vyāvahārike (Bhāg. 12.2.3). Even in the most common dealings, people are accustomed to speaking so many lies. No one is free from the sinful reactions of speaking lies. Under the circumstances, one can just imagine how this has overburdened the earth, and indeed the entire universe.
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-police-agree-fb-conversation-27713.html
Hare Krsna.
For those of us who don’t know anything about this feud, could someone please explain what’s happening and why is there so much venom here? Thanks.
“Perhaps you may know that there are many political parties in a country but when the country’s total responsibility has to be executed, they become combined. To have some little disagreements among yourselves is not very unnatural because we are all individual beings. But as we are working on behalf of Krsna, we should always forget our personal interests and see to the prime cause.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 21, 1969)
JAIPUR STRUGGLE FOR TRUTH article part I and II:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41392
Surely Mahesh Raja, Madhu Pandit and Puranjana Prabhus will step forward and help to resolve this problem once and for all. The Prabhupada followers need this to happen in order to go forward with the task at hand – spreading Prabhupada’s mercy all over the world for the eternal benefit of the conditioned souls. Everything else is unimportant and simply a diversion. Earnest prayers for all concerned.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
ANOTHER CORNUCOPIA OF RIDICULOUS LIES BY TIM LEE (PADA/PURANJANA/KRISHNA1008) MEANT TO DIVIDE THE REAL PRABHUPADANUGAS.. EXCEPT THOSE UNDER THE CONTROL OF ISKCON BANGALORE CORPORATION.:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/hkc-jaipur-dayalu-nitai-update.html
Tim and Mahesh are going to need a mountain of EVIDENCE just to prove the allegations in this one article alone, and there are many, many, more. It’s strange how those like Amar Puri just overlook all of this relentless, offensive, poisonous nonsense. I wonder why that is?
Prahlad Das Prabhu writes ; ” Tim and Mahesh are going to need a mountain of EVIDENCE just to prove the allegations in this one article alone, and there are many, many, more. It’s strange how those like Amar Puri just overlook all of this relentless, offensive, poisonous nonsense. I wonder why that is? ”
A wise person with a clean slate only writes what is necessary and avoid all what is unnecessary. You are writing to Amar Puri with the ill remarks when I have already addressed to your concern in my message on December 19.
Now that you are wondering because you keep on IGNORING either to read or NOT to reply to my message of December 19 which I reproduce here below one more time for your kind perusal and convenience seeking the ANSWERS to my questions.
Did you read carefully from Mahatma Dasa what it says in his comments with regard to the COOPERATION ?
The same very token, keeping in mind, did you pay attention to what I have written and asked further questions from you in my December 18 comments ?
I reproduce here below December 18 message ;
( It is not that I do not believe in what little you have exposed in your writing and yet you are not sure yourself whether I would probably believe you or not indicate the level of your firm conviction you have about what you are exposing that which further creates more questions to you based on your little writing.
Giving you the benefit of doubt , AP/IB Jaipur temple ” new ritvik-initiates ” who have practically very little to no particular knowledge about HKC Jaipur activities what they do besides being told that HKC Jaipur is BOGUS because HKC is not under the banner of IB/AP, sound very foolish which can simply be clarified with well informed knowledge on this issue by any one.
I am totally astonished to read that you were personally there and could not clarify and educate these new initiates of AP/IB Jaipur. I am sorry to ask this questions, what kind of preaching work you did when you were personally joined with HKC devotees for preaching there ?
You have had a great opportunity to educate these people in a constructive ways. How come you did not avail such opportunity ? I am sorry, it looks like something is not making sense at all. May be I do not have the complete picture of understanding what is going on between HKC Jaipur and AP/IB Jaipur devotees.” )
What and why it is so difficult for you to address and answer these further questions ?
Please answer these questions for the meaningful constructive understanding of some certain conclusion to take place.
( N.B. ; PLEASE PAY ATTENTION HERE what was written on Dec. 19 ; ) ” We shall refer separately for clarification, if you so desire, regarding the issue of infiltration by Bhakta dasa in the HKC Jaipur organization which you are referring to Tim Lee and others their endless allegations and so on.
But at this point let us find and arrive at the constructive way to help in solving HKC Jaipur devotees to whom we are all well wisher and sympathizer.
NOT addressing the particular issues timely and thus avoiding it are the signs and symptoms of the presence of FAT EGOS which manifests subtly on account of Power, Prestige and Money control and so on.
Hope you as a Honest and Sincere person as I am begin to see and realize the importance of these issues by addressing in a timely fashion.
NOW IF YOU ARE TRULY HONEST AND SINCERE, please reply to it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
TIM LEE HAS PUBLISHED YET ANOTHER FESTIVAL OF LIES ABOUT HKC ON HIS BLOG TODAY. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 2 YEARS NOW. ARE THERE NO DEVOTEES HERE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIS ENDLESS BLASPHEMOUS LIES ABOUT SINCERE PRABHUPADANUGAS!?
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/dayalu-nitai-jaipur-for-truth-update.html
NOTE: HKC have NOTHING to do with Mukunda Das. He is NOT their mentor as Tim says. They have NEVER met or even communicated. And as far as Hitler is concerned, HKC & myself have only one opinion about that which is:
Srila Prabhupada: “Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas.” (Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)
And Mahesh… WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PROMISED EVIDENCE FOR YOUR AND TIM’S COUNTLESS ALLEGATIONS!!!
Hare Krsna.
Mahesh R. prabhu says:
marica: When you read ANYTHING, apply the follow rule and you can never go wrong:
Allegation + evidence = FACT
Allegation – evidence =Allegation
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada given Poison is Allegation or FACT?
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Srila Prabhupada is pure devotee and our Guru. A pure devotee’s and a bonafide Guru’s allegation = FACT
Of course it is clear that Prabhupada was given poison but why is Mahesh changing the subject?
Mahesh still has to provide any EVIDENCE for the many ongoing ALLEGATIONS made by himself and Tim Lee against HKC Jaipur and other Prabhupadanugas.
Mahesh said that the “evidence is there” and that it is “all in public” and “common knowledge” but has failed to show the devotees this evidence as he PROMISED to days ago. He just fell silent for 4 days, then returned to this forum (without evidence) referring to me as a “third class arrogant mouth piece”. This is simply ad-hominem, the last resort of cheaters and those who cannot admit defeat. Totally disgraceful un-Vaishnava behaviour.
I humbly appeal to the devotees assembled here to demand EVIDENCE from Mahesh and Tim Lee for their accusations, so we can all move forward in Srila Prabhupada’s service. Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, dear Prahlad Prabhu!.
I think Mahesh Raja Prabhu gave his answer: .20. December 2015 at 9:40 pm
You should ask PADA/Puranjana Prabhu.
Hare Krishna Marica,
No answers have been given by Mahesh or Puranjana for their 100’s of accusations against HKC Jaipur Janardan or myself. We have been asking Puranjana (Tim Lee) for EVIDENCE for years, but he has provided NONE. He has also blocked us on FaceBook and will not allow us to comment on his krishna1008 blog. ISKCON “Truth” (IB) have also blocked us from their FB groups. So what can we do except to appeal for help from the devotees reading this forum?
I will make it easy for Mahesh. Here is just one ALLEGATION he made above. Perhaps he could show his EVIDENCE for this? That would be a start.
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.”
Just this one sentence needs lots of EVIDENCE, and like i said there are HUNDREDS of such ALLEGATIONS made by Tim Lee and SUPPORTED by Mahesh and OVERLOOKED by Amar Puri and almost all other Prabhupadanugas.
So Mahesh & Tim. Please show us proof that:
1) HKC Jaipur has been infiltrated by Bhakta Das.
2) HKC & myself glorify Bhakta Das, Radhanath & Hari Sauri.
3) I do not like the above 3 kali-chelas to be criticised.
4) I support the above 3 kali-chelas.
The thing that really shocks me is that i’ve known Mahesh personally for almost 25 years. I have taken prasad at his home a few times. The basis of our relationship was our mutual desire to expose the ISKCON GBC & “guru” crooks so i am very surprised by his accusations here. It just goes to show the power of Tim Lee’s POISON, that it can easily affect sincere Prabhupadanugas such as Mahesh.
Thank-you very much! Marica. Let is leave Prahad and his groupies to their lila(Pastimes). Their favorite pastimes is go on repeating Tim Tim Tim. That is their Japa. And the business is curse and counter-curse. Always INIMICAL. Below we find that even though these sages were so great STILL they were infected by modes of PASSION Rajo guna hence, curse and counter-curse business. The instructions are for OUR learning. We have to TRANSCEND THE MODES of material nature if we want to go back home back to Godhead.
SB 9.7.7 The Descendants of King Mandhata
The son of Trisanku was Hariscandra. Because of Hariscandra there was a quarrel between Visvamitra and Vasistha, who for many years fought one another, having been transformed into birds.
PURPORT
VISVAMITRA AND VASISTHA WERE ALWAYS INIMICAL. Formerly, Visvamitra was a ksatriya, and by undergoing severe austerities he wanted to become a brahmana, but Vasistha would not agree to accept him. IN THIS WAY THERE WAS ALWAYS DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO. Later, however, Vasistha accepted him because of Visvamitra’s quality of forgiveness. Once Hariscandra performed a yajna for which Visvamitra was the priest, but Visvamitra, being angry at Hariscandra, took away all his possessions, claiming them as a contribution of daksina. Vasistha, however, did not like this, and therefore a fight arose between Vasistha and Visvamitra. THE FIGHTING BECAME SO SEVERE THAT EACH OF THEM CURSED THE OTHER. ONE OF THEM SAID, “MAY YOU BECOME A BIRD,” AND THE OTHER SAID, “MAY YOU BECOME A DUCK.” THUS BOTH OF THEM BECAME BIRDS AND CONTINUED FIGHTING FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF HARISCANDRA. We can see that such a great mystic yogi as Saubhari became a victim of sense gratification, and such great sages as Vasistha and Visvamitra became birds. This is the material world. Abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino ‘rjuna. Within this material world, or within this universe, however elevated one may be in material qualities, one must suffer the conditions of birth, death, old age and disease (janma-mrtyu jara-vyadhi). Therefore Krsna says that this material world is simply miserable (duhkhalayam asasvatam). The Bhagavatam says, padam padam yad vipadam: at every step here there is danger. Therefore, because the Krsna consciousness movement provides the opportunity for the human being to get out of this material world simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, this movement is the greatest benediction in human society.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
You write: “Let is leave Prahad and his groupies to their lila(Pastimes). Their favorite pastimes is go on repeating Tim Tim Tim. That is their Japa. And the business is curse and counter-curse. Always INIMICAL.”
You are a big devotee here on this forum who is well respected. Therefore I for one have been waiting for you to answer the legitimate questions put forth by Prahlad das about your statements. it appears that you don’t want to address these issues and that you’re avoiding responsibility for your comments.
Please understand that the Prabhupadanugas are often heavily criticized and dismissed because there is so much infighting going on. Do you not wish to dispel this criticism for the sake of pushing on Prabhupada’s movement?
I respectfully submit that the ball is in your court. Please do the needful for all concerned.
Thank you and Hare Krsna.
Thank you ‘LW’ prabhu. I hope Mahesh will heed your request.
LW said>> “the Prabhupadanugas are often heavily criticized and dismissed because there is so much infighting going on.”
If you do some research, you will find that the source of this infighting is none other than Tim Lee. He is expert at making sure there will never be any unity amongst Prabhupadanugas. He only supports those who blindly accept the authority of his boss Madhu Pandit and keep quiet about ISKCON Bangalore’s many deviations from Prabhupada’s instructions.
He started his demonization of Mukunda Das about 20 years ago because Mukunda said he should not have supported the Windle-Turley lawsuit which blamed Prabhupada for the Gurukuli abuses.
He started demonising me about 4 years ago when I questioned some of the activities of IB. (Their ‘rock ‘n’ roll mantra’ bands).
He started his demonization of HKC Jaipur devotees 2 years ago when they published their ‘Struggle For Truth’ articles on this forum asking the devotees for help after IB had been causing problems for them in Jaipur for years.
NOTE: Neither I, nor anyone from HKC Jaipur has anything at all to do with Mukunda Das and his non Krishna Conscious interests. He is certainly not “the mentor of HKC Jaipur” as Tim says in his latest article. As far as I know there has never been any communication whatsoever between HKC and Mukunda and I know for a fact that no-one from HKC has never met him.
I will share with you just one of the dozens of LIES from the new article Tim Lie published on his krishna1008 blog yesterday:
[PADA: ..Nice job HKC Jaipur folks, you got Sulochana killed by promoting Hari Sauri’s demonizing of him! And you are proud that you have vaishnava’s blood on your jack boots?.. ys, pd]
This (as with all of his LIES) is pure absurdity. Almost all of the HKC Jaipur devotees are in their early twenties, which means that they were NOT EVEN BORN when Sulocana prabhu was murdered. I am flabbergasted that anyone would fall for such BLATANT LIES, but SO MANY Prabhupadanugas do! Just see the behaviour of Mahesh’s here who seems to think that the only evidence needed for blasphemy against Prabhupada’s sincere devotees is “Tim Lee Uvaca”.
I used to think Tim Lee was insane, but after years of research i concluded that even though he is a classic narccistic sociopath and a pathological liar that he is very expert at what he is doing… Destroying the (non-Bangalore controlled) Prabhupadanugas from within. He is the shepherd who guides the neophyte-devotees from bogus GBC ISKCON to bogus ISKCON Bangalore. This is actually his job. He is very poisonous and he still hates Prabhupada (and his genuine ‘ritvik’ followers) since he was chastised by him in 1975. I have even seen evidence that suggests that Tim Lee was actually an accessory in Sulocana’s murder! He phoned Sulocana’s mother and asked where he was hiding out. She told him and the next day Tattva arrived at Sulocana’s hide-out and killed him. No-one but Sulocana’s mother and Tim Lee knew where he was hiding out. After the murder Tim Lee took over the anti-ISKCON “guru” issue to ‘control the narrative’ and has been controlling the thoughts and opinions of Prabhupadanugas ever since, using his numerous blogs, websites and FaceBook accounts. His favourite mantra is “me and Sulocana”. He himself has admitted many times that he is working with the FBI. This is Kali-yuga prabhus! This is what happens when we are not vigilant! Kali’s agents will come to sit amongst us to spread their poison. I can state that i will NEVER be part of any Prabhupadanuga group that allows Tim Lee any say in it. As Janardan said years ago: “If this were a Vedic society, Puranjana would be sleeping with the dogs”.
Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada! (our only hope).
Hare Krsna, dear Prahlad prabhu!
I would like to ask you. Does not Dayalu Nitai Prabhu disturb if his devotees are perhaps offended? As I remember he has already written comment in this website. Why does you try to defend only you?
Hare Krishna Marica.
I messaged Raghav Pandit Das (secretary of HKC Jaipur) about this matter a few days ago. This is the response i received:
Raghav Pandit wrote>>
“Hare Krishna prabhu. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I have read the comments at .EU website. I am quite amazed. But prabhu we are quite busy here with the things going on. We will respond soon. Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is at HKV and I am busy here with Gita Marathon. But will reply as soon as possible.”
So, hopefully we should have their response very soon. Jaya Prabhupada!
It appears that Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is bigger and better than Srila Prabhupada. Why, I say it ?
It is because Srila Prabhupada as a Leader had always answered timely to all the questions and concerns of his followers and supporters under all circumstances. Is it not a FACT ?
Whereas we read from Prahlad Das message that Dayalu Nitai Prabhu Secretary, Raghav Pandit ji of HKC Jaipur replies to the concerns of all well wishers and supporters. WHY ?
Is it because Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is entrapped in his FAT EGO as a Leader of HKC Jaipur ?
Is that NOT the reason of this difference that makes Dayalu Nitai Prabhu a bigger and batter Leader than Srila Prabhupada or is it something else ? Can any one please shed more light on it ?
OR
Is it better yet only Dayalu Nitai Prabhu should answer to these and many other questions / concerns which perhaps seem to him insignificant and thus he avoids paying attention to it that makes him a better and bigger person when his Secretary answers on his behalf ?
Haribol Amar Puri Prabhu,
You write: “It appears that Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is bigger and better than Srila Prabhupada. Why, I say it ?
It is because Srila Prabhupada as a Leader had always answered timely to all the questions and concerns of his followers and supporters under all circumstances. Is it not a FACT ?”
Sorry, but Srila Prabhupada was not always able to answer his letters immediately for various reasons. Here is one example:
“April 24, 1970
Dear Dr. Staal:
I beg to thank you very much for your kind letter dated February 25, 1970. I am sorry that I could not reply to your letter earlier because I was a little busy in the matter of purchasing a new church estate at the above address.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Professor Staal, April 24, 1970)
What about the actual issues which Prahlad das has raised? He has stated:
“Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.
Just this one sentence needs lots of EVIDENCE, and like i said there are HUNDREDS of such ALLEGATIONS made by Tim Lee and SUPPORTED by Mahesh and OVERLOOKED by Amar Puri and almost all other Prabhupadanugas.
So Mahesh & Tim. Please show us proof that:
1) HKC Jaipur has been infiltrated by Bhakta Das.
2) HKC & myself glorify Bhakta Das, Radhanath & Hari Sauri.
3) I do not like the above 3 kali-chelas to be criticised.
4) I support the above 3 kali-chelas.”
When are these questions going to be addressed and sufficiently answered? Inquiring minds want to know.
Hare Krsna.
LW Prabhu , Did Srila Prabhupada ever IGNORE any letter from his followers and supporters ? Granted, he did answer little later but indeed he did it explaining the situation.
it appears from your comments that you have also missed reading my comments dated December 21, 2015 addressed to Prahald dasa which reads ;
( N.B. ; PLEASE PAY ATTENTION HERE what was written on Dec. 19 ; ) ” We shall refer separately for clarification, if you so desire, regarding the issue of infiltration by Bhakta dasa in the HKC Jaipur organization which you are referring to Tim Lee and others their endless allegations and so on.
But at this point let us find and arrive at the constructive way to help in solving HKC Jaipur devotees to whom we are all well wisher and sympathizer.
NOT addressing the particular issues timely and thus avoiding it are the signs and symptoms of the presence of FAT EGOS which manifests subtly on account of Power, Prestige and Money control and so on.
Hope you as a Honest and Sincere person as I am begin to see and realize the importance of these issues by addressing in a timely fashion.
NOW IF YOU ARE TRULY HONEST AND SINCERE, please reply to it.
Please LET US stay focus within the core focal point of my comments, LW Prabhu.
“
Amar Puri Prabhu,
Why does it seem like everyone is avoiding the main point here? I don’t know any of the parties involved, but is Prahlad das not being reasonable when he simply states the following:
“I will share with you just one of the dozens of LIES from the new article Tim Lie published on his krishna1008 blog yesterday:
[PADA: ..Nice job HKC Jaipur folks, you got Sulochana killed by promoting Hari Sauri’s demonizing of him! And you are proud that you have vaishnava’s blood on your jack boots?.. ys, pd]
This (as with all of his LIES) is pure absurdity. Almost all of the HKC Jaipur devotees are in their early twenties, which means that they were NOT EVEN BORN when Sulocana prabhu was murdered. I am flabbergasted that anyone would fall for such BLATANT LIES, but SO MANY Prabhupadanugas do!”
How is it possible that young devotees born in India after the murder case would even know about this issue in America in 1986, what to speak of being involved and having “vaishnava’s blood” on their “jack boots”?
How can you defend this kind of talk, or avoid answering why you are apparently supporting it by your silence on the matter? Prahlad das has asked both you and Mahesh Raja Prabhu to explain yourselves for supporting these outlandish claims and yet you are trying to change the subject by criticizing someone for being late in replying to a letter?
I have always been supportive of you and Mahesh Raja Prabhu, but now I’m honestly beginning to wonder. When we exposed Aindra’s sahajiyism, Sudarsana Prabhu voluntarily stepped forward and not only apologized but retracted all his previous statements in support of Aindra, thus unequivocally taking the humble position. But so far I have seen no one back down here and admit they were wrong in attacking the devotees in Jaipur. Why? Why are these crazy statements not being questioned and admitted to being just that — crazy!?
Please explain, otherwise I won’t be the only one to conclude that there is no sincere desire here to follow Srila Prabhupada’s order for us to co-operate together in pushing on Lord Caitanya’s movement. If we all fight like cats and dogs then who will be attracted to join? Back-biting and petty bickering does not make us look bigger, but in fact makes us smaller. We become diminished in the eyes of others and we are actually doing a disservice to Srila Prabhupada. If we claim to be representatives of Prabhupada then we must know his mood and desires. Otherwise we simply create a disturbance. Better we should scrub floors and wash pots and stay in the background if we are going to make a farce out of Srila Prabhupada’s great mission.
Please answer Prahlad Prabhu’s statements, bas.
Hare Krsna.
LW Prabhu,
Informatively I may mention that I am neither associated with Tim Lee in any way or fashion nor I follow his blog or Prahlad blog.
So, I am not in a position to shed any light as to why, what, when and how Prahlad dasa got involved with Tim Lee LIES as you are thinking about my involvement in those issues.
That is why I said in my various comments that ” ( N.B. ; PLEASE PAY ATTENTION HERE what was written on Dec. 19 ; ) ” We shall refer separately for clarification, if you so desire, regarding the issue of infiltration by Bhakta dasa in the HKC Jaipur organization which you are referring to Tim Lee and others their endless allegations and so on. )
The above writing exactly reflects upon the head line of the Article in order to know the TRUTH which you and so many others including myself as a sincere followers are seeking.
That is why I requested you to please stay focus on this one issue first as indicated in the head line of this Article in which I am involved personally to know the TRUTH between HKC devotee and IB/AP Jaipur.
Regarding the other issue you are more interested in, I am not involved in it and hence, I am not in a position to participate in it because I do not know any thing at all of the issues and its concerns relating to Tim Lee and Mahesh Raja as stated below ;
” “Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them…”
As I have said clearly that I have nothing to do with the above said issue because I am not involved with it at all.
Hope it clarifies, LW Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna
I totally agree with LW prabhu’s above statement. WHY WE ARE MISSING THE MAIN POINT?
Why Amar Puri prabhu asking agian and again HKC/Dayalu Nitai prabhu for updates about IB/AP and HKC Jaipur issue, when it is clear there is NO response from IB, ball is still in IB’s court!!! BETTER you ask Madhu Pandit prabhu about his standing regarding this issue.
Over and above he is criticizing HKC/Dayalu Nitai prabhu for not replying and hence creating a new issue unnecessarily. DON’T MISS the MAIN POINT.
Thanks
What we have here is a false accusation of murder:
PADA: “Nice job HKC Jaipur folks, you got Sulochana killed by promoting Hari Sauri’s demonizing of him! And you are proud that you have vaishnava’s blood on your jack boots?.. ys, pd”
I think this is actually against the law. Whatever the case, it is totally outlandish and highly offensive not only to the devotees of HKC, but to the devotees here on this forum — what to speak of Sulocan Prabhu himself. What kind of person uses his friend’s murder to attack other devotees? With “friends” like that, who needs enemies?
This type of insanity should not be tolerated. I for one am moving on. Give him enough rope and he’ll hang himself. We do not need to hear this blasphemy. It’s not becoming a Vaisnava, what to speak of a decent human being.
Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare…
Hare Krsna ‘LW’ prabhu.
Thank you for being the only devotee here to stand up to this poisonous propaganda. It seems that others (Mahesh) support or (Amar) overlook this poison spreading amongst the devotees. Others just aquiese and say nothing. I have been trying to draw attention to the root cause (namely Tim Lee aka Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) of fighting and dis-unity amongst Prabhupadanugas for years, but no-one seems to care. In fact, mostly they DEFEND Tim Lee and ATTACK me as you have witnessed here.
Actually, Tim Lee”s JOB is to defame genuine Prabhupadanugas, while glorifying everything that corporation ISKCON Bangalore do (including their many blatant deviations from Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions.) I am sure that Madhu Pandit and Monsanto and Bill Gates foundation are paying him well. Bangalore have already paid for Tim’s local IB Sunnyvale temple, which is only there to cater to the rich Californian “Hindus” and collect donations from them. IB/AP is simply a donation-collecting business. They don’t care at all for Srila Prabhupada or his instructions. Faithfulness to Prabhupada is just a front they hide behind. And almost EVERYONE falls for it.
As for Tim Lie’s accusations of murder, this is not the first time. He has accused me and other Prabhupadanugas of killing children and other horrific crimes 100’s of times on his blogs & websites for the last 4 years. You can look at these to give you a taste of what i’m talking about here:
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/pada-prahlad-is-child-eating-demon.html
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/conversation-about-iskcon-children.html
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/you-are-with-them-who-is-them-with-tim.html
http://padaproblems.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/you-are-also-child-chopper-with.html
ad infinitum………
Why is it that as soon as concerned Prabhupadanugas question the deviations of ISKCON Bangalore they are relentlessly DEMONIZED by Tim Lee all over the internet?
And.. Amar Puri… Has Madhu Pandit responded to your letter yet? If not, does that mean he also has “BIG, FAT EGO and thinks he is higher than Prabhupada”?
Actually, who are you Amar? And what is your seva for Prabhupada’s mission? Please let the devotees know. The same question goes for Mahesh, who BTW has STILL NOT SHOWN ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER FOR HIS AND TIM’S ALLEGATIONS. Neither has he retracted or apologized for them. Such un-Vaishnav behaviour, bordering on blasphemy.
In the service of Prabhupada and his true followers,
Prahlad Das
Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada!
Dear Prahlad Prabhu,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Thank you very much for bringing this information to light. I’m very sorry that you and other sincere devotees have had to suffer for so long from this gross mistreatment and abuse. Rest assured that Krsna will reward you for your sincerity (and austerities) in His divine service.
I just took a look at “PADA’s” blog. Check out the following headline:
“ISKCON GBC Hi-jacks PADA’S main theme:
PADA: Hokey smokes pilgrims! Our PADA theme quote has been — ‘I will never die, I will live forever in my books.’ And now the ISKCON GBC has hi-jacked our often used quote to place as their THEME citation. Wow! Anyway, this is good progress, it means we are forcing them to accept our ideas gradually. Right, we do not need to worship the GBC’s living debauchees, we need to worship the person who is eternally living in his books. Better late than never. Bravo! ys pd]”
So it is no longer Srila Prabhupada’s quote because PADA owns it now! Is there anything more delusional than this? PADA is the source of the quotes and not His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada!
Or how about the Christmas video: “Mary, Mary Christmas”!? He seems to have an attraction for Mary J. Blige because this is not the first time he has posted her videos. Defending Srila Prabhupada ki jaya! And this man wants to be known as the king of the ritviks! How pathetic.
I have read elsewhere that Yasodanandana is behind this man. To the best of your knowledge, do you know this to be true?
According to your revelations, this so-called “PADA” (“Prabhupada Anti- Defamation League”) may actually be a disinformation agent, a front to divide and conquer all opposition to the GBC appointed “gurus.” In other words, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Anything is possible. It’s Kali-yuga, after all.
Certainly it’s obvious that he is using his connection to Sulocan Prabhu to gain sympathy and support. His accusation that HKC is the cause of Sulocan’s murder is a total desecration to the memory and sacrifice of Sulocan Prabhu, what to speak of a great offense to the devotees of HKC. If he can do this, then there is no limit to what he can do — all in the name of “defending” Srila Prabhupada.
I would be careful, Prabhu. Who knows what these people are capable of doing. This also means that “ISKCON Bangalore” could be further involved in deeper intrigues than we could ever imagine. Why then is Madhu Pandit not even giving you the time of the day? Something sinister is brewing. Please take care.
Once again, best wishes in your service to Srila Prabhupada. Humble obeisances to all the sincere followers and disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Haribol!
Prahlad Das ;
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO MY COMMENTS DATED DEC. 24 WHICH READ AS FOLLOWS ;
Prahlad das writes the following in reply to my message ;
— Because you are an envious rascal?
— No. It is not a FACT. Sometimes he was otherwise engaged serving Krishna.
— Because that is the job of a secretary. Don’t you know anything?
— No, it is because he is very busy with many practical projects in the service of Srila Prabhupada. And, saying a sincere, hard-working Vaishnav like Dayalu Nitai is “entrapped in his FAT EGO” is very offensive.
— The light is already there but you refuse to open your eyes and see, so what can be done?
— As already said, Dayalu was/is very busy — and that is the job of a secretary. Dayalu has already written a lengthy response to Mahesh and will respond further here soon.
— What is wrong with you Amar? Seriously… Please tell us.. what are YOU doing for Srila Prabhupada?
WHAT is wrong with Amar is that he stands for the TRUTH and simply FOLLOW it.
I accept where I am wrong without any OFFENCE AND DEFENCE taking full responsibility of it.
NOT knowing and understanding what is wrong with AMAR and yet many things are written by Prahlad dasa as mentioned above indicate that HOW foolish, like a mad man can act and write SENSELESSLY like ” I am envious rascal ” in a offensive and defensive mood under the strong influence of the three mode of the Gunas simply to lift up the false EGO.
IF I AM INDEED AN ENVIOUS RASCAL, THEN, WHY WOULD I BOTHER TO PLEAD UNDER THE HEAD LINE OF THIS ARTICLE ?
Under the control of his FALSE ego, Prahalad dasa can not see what is wrong with AMAR and yet he writes what is wrong by commenting USELESSLY simply in the mood of offence and defence.
Under such madness, how any one particularly Prahlad dasa can know and understand what is wrong with AMAR or some body else.
Keeping these circumstances cited above in mind, I beg from Prahlad dasa, please refrain from writing further USELESSLY AND SENSELESSLY simply in the offensive and defensive mood unless or until he has any PRODUCTIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE writing to write and share with the learned READERS in this forum.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
PRAHLAD DAS PLEASE STOP WRITING LIKE A MAD MAN CONTINUOUSLY SUCH AS THIS ; ( ….. It seems that others (Mahesh) support or (Amar) overlook this poison spreading amongst the devotees. Others just aquiese and say nothing… )
UNLESS you STOP writing LIES such as this ; ” (Amar) overlook this poison spreading amongst the devotees ” you remain hidden yourself behind the LIES and reject by OVER LOOKING in answering what I ask questions to you in my comments and the Leaders at HKC Jaipur. That is why I have to produce and re-produce my writing time and time again in order to arrive at certain TRUTH but NO AVAIL THUS FAR besides your SENSELESS AND USELESS WRITINGS as stated above which creates so much UNNECESSARILY distortion in arriving at certain TRUTH which all of US are seeking.
I hope you behave like a gentleman in avoiding writing the LIES as stated above.
Regarding your questions as asked ; ” And.. Amar Puri… Has Madhu Pandit responded to your letter yet? If not, does that mean he also has “BIG, FAT EGO and thinks he is higher than Prabhupada”?
My answer is ; ” YES. IT LOOKS LIKE. I can only get after them once I know any progress if any made in this connection from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu which all of US are anxiously awaiting for. UNFORTUNATELY, your SENSELESS and USELESS comments as a LIES referred above create DISTORTION. That is why I ask you to STOP writing NON SENSE.
Actually, who are you Amar? And what is your seva for Prabhupada’s mission? Please let the devotees know.
MY answer is that Amar is a CONDITIONED JIVA who is trying very hard to take shelter in the lotus feet of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and His sincere dedicated followers serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
NOW please please please STOP writing LIES.
I hope the above is satisfactory.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri says: “It appears that Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is bigger and better than Srila Prabhupada. Why, I say it ?”
Because you are an envious rascal?
“It is because Srila Prabhupada as a Leader had always answered timely to all the questions and concerns of his followers and supporters under all circumstances. Is it not a FACT ?”
No. It is not a FACT. Sometimes he was otherwise engaged serving Krishna.
“Whereas we read from Prahlad Das message that Dayalu Nitai Prabhu Secretary, Raghav Pandit ji of HKC Jaipur replies to the concerns of all well wishers and supporters. WHY ?”
Because that is the job of a secretary. Don’t you know anything?
“Is it because Dayalu Nitai Prabhu is entrapped in his FAT EGO as a Leader of HKC Jaipur ?”
No, it is because he is very busy with many practical projects in the service of Srila Prabhupada. And, saying a sincere, hard-working Vaishnav like Dayalu Nitai is “entrapped in his FAT EGO” is very offensive.
Prabhupada: ‘Blasphemy means you have good qualities, but still, I am defaming you.’
“Is that NOT the reason of this difference that makes Dayalu Nitai Prabhu a bigger and batter Leader than Srila Prabhupada or is it something else ? Can any one please shed more light on it ?”
The light is already there but you refuse to open your eyes and see, so what can be done?
“OR, Is it better yet only Dayalu Nitai Prabhu should answer to these and many other questions / concerns which perhaps seem to him insignificant and thus he avoids paying attention to it that makes him a better and bigger person when his Secretary answers on his behalf ?”
As already said, Dayalu was/is very busy – and that is the job of a secretary. Dayalu has already written a lengthy response to Mahesh and will respond further here soon.
What is wrong with you Amar? Seriously… Please tell us.. what are YOU doing for Srila Prabhupada?
Prahlad Prabhu. Humble respects. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
May I humbly suggest that you reiterate all your main questions in one clear and concise post, and ask those concerned to address your points once and for all without changing the subject or skillfully avoiding the issues. In this way we can all observe the replies in one place. If no one answers, then we can conclude that they have no legs to stand on and that you and the HKC devotees of Jaipur are in the right. The time for smoke and mirrors is over. Let’s see who stands on truth and who is just playing around and wasting everyone’s time. Thanks for your clear and reasonable posts here on this thread. Rest assured, some of us are listening.
Haribol!
Prahlad das writes the following in reply to my message ;
– Because you are an envious rascal?
– No. It is not a FACT. Sometimes he was otherwise engaged serving Krishna.
– Because that is the job of a secretary. Don’t you know anything?
– No, it is because he is very busy with many practical projects in the service of Srila Prabhupada. And, saying a sincere, hard-working Vaishnav like Dayalu Nitai is “entrapped in his FAT EGO” is very offensive.
– The light is already there but you refuse to open your eyes and see, so what can be done?
– As already said, Dayalu was/is very busy — and that is the job of a secretary. Dayalu has already written a lengthy response to Mahesh and will respond further here soon.
– What is wrong with you Amar? Seriously… Please tell us.. what are YOU doing for Srila Prabhupada?
WHAT is wrong with Amar is that he stands for the TRUTH and simply FOLLOW it.
I accept where I am wrong without any OFFENCE AND DEFENCE taking full responsibility of it.
NOT knowing and understanding what is wrong with AMAR and yet many things are written by Prahlad dasa as mentioned above indicate that HOW foolish, like a mad man can act and write SENSELESSLY like ” I am envious rascal ” in a offensive and defensive mood under the strong influence of the three mode of the Gunas simply to lift up the false EGO.
IF I AM INDEED AN ENVIOUS RASCAL, THEN, WHY WOULD I BOTHER TO PLEAD UNDER THE HEAD LINE OF THIS ARTICLE ?
Under the control of his FALSE ego, Prahalad dasa can not see what is wrong with AMAR and yet he writes what is wrong by commenting USELESSLY simply in the mood of offence and defence.
Under such madness, how any one particularly Prahlad dasa can know and understand what is wrong with AMAR or some body else.
Keeping these circumstances cited above in mind, I beg from Prahlad dasa, please refrain from writing further USELESSLY AND SENSELESSLY simply in the offensive and defensive mood unless or until he has any PRODUCTIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE writing to write and share with the learned READERS in this forum.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Prahlad Prabhu,
You write: “Seriously… Please tell us.. what are YOU doing for Srila Prabhupada?”
With all due respect, I would like to humbly suggest that you please reconsider this approach or line of thinking in your devotee relationships and communications. This is what the GBC often says, “What has HE done for Srila Prabhupada?” Or, “What have YOU done for Srila Prabhupada?” This kind of comment is too condescending and presumptuous, in my view.
For example, when Srila Prabhupada was in grhastha life, his big sannyasi godbrothers didn’t think of Prabhupada too highly. But Srila Bhaktisiddhanta said that Prabhupada would do everything in due course of time. And, of course, he did. So we have to be a little careful in judging another devotee’s spiritual status. If you had been Srila Prabhupada’s godbrother in those days, would you have said to Srila Prabhupada, “What have YOU done for Srila Bhaktisiddhanta?” In other words, we are not the judge. That is Krishna’s job.
Besides, who knows? Amar Puri Prabhu may be pleasing Srila Prabhupada by raising his family in an exemplary Krsna conscious fashion. Perhaps later he may even do many wonderful and “big” things for Prabhupada. We don’t know. And someone who appears advanced today may become a debauchee five years from now. No one is immune from falldown except for the pure devotee. “Judge not that ye not be judged,” and “Pride goes before a fall.” These things we must consider wisely and not lash out due to ego or immaturity.
It seems that Amar Puri Prabhu is simply trying to understand things according to his experience and situation. Perhaps it might be a little difficult to understand his presentation sometimes, but maybe English is not his first language, or whatever. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt anyway. If you don’t like what he says, you can always decide not to engage with him, but to challenge him as to what he is doing for Prabhupada does not serve you or your mission well, me humbly thinks.
Thanks for listening. Haribol!
Bhakta LW Prabhu says ;
” …… Perhaps it might be a little difficult to understand his presentation sometimes, but maybe English is not his first language, or whatever. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt anyway …… ”
I feel very much humbled by your kind remarks, Prabhu.
I admit and appreciate it whole heartedly what you have written. You have spoken my mind in your comments.
Yes, indeed, I am not at all academically qualified to write and express my point of view but I try to make a sense what I wish to convey my message in my comments besides English is not my first language.
Admitting that I am not at all qualified to write and express nicely and educatedly like Bhakta LW Prabhu and so many others, nevertheless, I am inspired to share with whatever little knowledge of the KC philosophy I am gaining by the blessing of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada through His sincere Devotees via the English media in which I am imperfect.
So, I am very thankful to all of you that you still read my imperfect writing and put up with it in making some sense of what I am conveying in my comments.
Through this participation in the discussion, I feel that I am learning something in the KC philosophy by reading and writing when I share my thoughts and concerns with all of you, the Learned Readers on this web site.
Let us keep up the good work which may please in the service of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
YS……. Amar Puri.
From: Mahesh Raja
To: Dayalu Nitai Das
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2015, 19:47
Subject: Bhakta das
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
Can you please answer the following:
Did Bhakta das ever give you a donation?
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
Hare Krishna Dear Amar Puri prbhuji, Dandvat Pranam, Please accept my humble obeisances !
Thank You very much for posting this article, requesting Madhu Pandit Das prbhuji (MPD) to intervene in the conflict between Akshaypatra (AP) Jaipur and Hare Krishna Community (HKC) Jaipur.
First of all, just a brief about me, for you. I joined the movement, at HKC in 2011, when i came there to play drums. Since 2012 when i joined the HKC Hostel, i am trying to chant 16 rounds and follow the 4 regulative principles, and all his instructions. I lived there for 2 years, after finishing my college in Jaipur (where i had the association of AP devotees too), i have got a job in Delhi, and now i am connected to ISKCON Delhi (Sri Sri Radha Parthasarthi Mandir) for devotee association.
I would like to bring to your notice few points, and would really appreciate, if you (only you) could take out time and acknowledge/reply to them point wise.
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1. If i am a really worried of my Krishna Consciousness (KC), and if anyone points something i am doing wrong or something is a matter of worry, i will definitely look into the issue and Srila Prabhupada’s instructions about that, and wold rectify my wrong doings immediately.
As its soo obvious, that the devotees at AP under MPD prbhuji’s leadership, are not only ignoring the wrong doings (http://ibdeviations.blogspot.in), which devotees, Srila Prabhupada’s direct disciples too, have pointed out, infact they are increasing them. On the other hand, whatever allegations and false charges which have been imposed on HKC, devotees have responded, if there were any wrong doings from there end, they have corrected it immediately, and which were false, they have corrected, answered, acknowledged the person writing/imposing them.
Devotees at HKC are always open for follwoing Srila Prabhupada’s instructions more sincerely, on the other hand AP devotees are just ignoring, MPD prbhuji too is not replying to HKC’s mails and responses from past few years. Who is the defaulter here ?
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2. About the actual fight between the devotees at Jaipur.
Incident No.1 – I was personally present at that time, doing book distribution, when devotees went into a shop(grocery shop if i am not wrong), and introduced themselves, and guess what did the shopkeeper told them – “…..that devotee told that your organisation is bogus, fraud………..”. Would you ever expect such a reply ? Then on further inquiring we came to know the fact that AP devotees have spread this thing in the whole market. Why would devotees be doing that ?
Incident No.2 – A teacher in my college attended regular Sunday programs at HKC. After few months, i noticed that he was not coming for quite sometime. Then after a few days i saw him with AP devotees at Govind dev ji temple, since i had never spoken with him, i did not take the liberty to go and ask him. But God know what had happened to him, he pathetically ignored me, and the devotees, no Hare Krishna nothing, as if we had done anything wrong to him. This same thing happened with few other regular attendees at HKC Sunday programs, and then again, what was revealed that AP devotees, had poisoned them too.
These were just 2 of the incidents which i remeber, many were there. Still after soo much of devastating things done my AP devotees, God knows why, devotees at HKC remained silent.
Incident No. 3 – It was on Janamathami 2013, things got ugly. Whole of Jaipur was celebrating Janamsthami on Monday if i am not wrong, as at Govind dev ji temple too it was declared to be celebrated on Monday. But AP had there program pre planned, and they went for Sunday to celebrated it. Which was fine i suppose.
Anyways, since the gathering at AP was expected to be good, we set up a stall(just a stall table and two devotees), nearby the AP acquired public parking, which was quite faaaar from the AP temple and its boundary. and devotees were peacefully distributing pamhlets of Goshala and Gurukul (i have to confirm) at HKC(V) (which was newly started at that time), few men from AP grabbed them, took there stall, pamhplets everything inside, man handled them, and then we recieved a call from them that please come and take us.
Everybody rushed to the site, senior devotees wen inside to had a talk, brought the HKC devotees outside, with there stall, and started distributing again peacefully.
Please Note – The Gurukul project was no where concerned with AP, they didnt had any of these projects. It would have been a wrong doing if HKC devotees would have gone there, that a too a place faaar from the temple, and distributed papmhlets asking people to come at HKC, and anyways even if they would have done that,HKC Janamsthami program was on next day. I know the devotees personally, who were there distributing, the are like the most humble devotees at HKC.
Two humble devotees, not bothering anyone much, peacefully asking the people at the parking, informing them about the new Gurukul project, which is nowhere concerned to the AP preaching, why would it bother. And its not that only at AP, that day devotees were distributing Gurukul pamhlets all over Jaipur.
and then ……………… a brahmachari, in saffron, forced through the AP entrance, sorry to say but literally behaving like a rouge, the table got threwn away, everything on the ground, i was there, witnessing everything happening, i called up immeditaely for help at HKC. after the devotees came, i opened up my mobile camera to record the violent brahmachari, AP security guards ran after me to get hold of my mobile, i too ran, got on the bike. It was all happeing.
For all those who may get a smile after reading this, yes i too got a smile thinking of how things happened at that time. but things happening at that time were not so polite. Its after this incident we were forced to expose the wrong doings at AP – http://ibdeviations.blogspot.in/
IT IS VERY EASY TO POST ARTICLES ONLINE, TALK ABOUT IT, I DARE ALL OF YOU TO GET ON FIELD, FEEL THE FRUSTATION WHEN SUCH THING HAPPENS, WHEN YOU TRY AND PREACH SRILA PRABHUPADA’S MESSGE GENEROUSLY, AND GET DISTURBED NOT ONLY MENTALLY BUT PHYSICALLY BY WHOM ? BY NONE OTHER THAN DEVOTEES WHO CALL THEMSELVES FOLLOWING SRILA PRABHUPADA
On the behalf of HKC, i can proudly say, that IF WE ARE WRONG, TELL US, WE WILL CORRECT IT IMMEDIATELY.
But what about the devotees at AP and elsewhere ?
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3. The unresponsiveness and ignorance from MPD prbhuji has led to a great disaster within AP itself. You no what i heard from my juniors, who just came in touch with the movement, via AP, when i asked them in colege to join us for the Fresher Programs at HKC, – “Sir, please remain alof from HKC its bogus, its leader Dayalu Nitai is a fraud too”. Frankly speaking as a senior i could have done a lot with that junior, i was frustrated to the highest level, you cannot even imagine, leave besides a junior-senior thing in college, that guy had just crossed the limits of Vaishnava offense. He has just came in touch with the movement and instead of asking me spiritual questions he is preaching me about being aloof from an organisation he has never visited, calling a person a fraud he has no idea about. THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON. JUST TELL ME MY FAULT ? I bet, if that day i wouldnt been in a devotee dress i would have crossed my limits too. THIS MUCH FRUSTRATION IS BEING CAUSED BY DEVOTEES AT AP. And you all talk it about Online without even knowing the truth,
WHERE IS MPP PRBHUJI’S LEADERSHIP, WHY IS HE NOT RESPONDING ? JUST TO LET HIM KNOW A BIG DISASTER IS BEING BUILT UNDER HIS NOSE IN AP. A DISASTER OF VAISHNAVA OFFENSES.
Srila Prabhupada has taught of cooperating, HKC IS OPEN FOR CORPORATION, BUT ARE OTHERS TOO ?
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4. About devotees associated with ISKCON. I too live in association of present day ISKCON devotees, as that is the only association i can get here, i go to the temple, chant eat dance, try to serve. Does that mean i do not follow Srila Prabhupada anymore ? Does that mean i have deviated ? Whatever i believe in i say it out fearlessly to the present day ISKCON devotees too, because they are Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Whether they accept it or not, i do accept them, and thats what important. Take the good leave the rest. let it be with them, you gotta follow what Srila Prabhupada instrcuted. Thtats it. AT HKC EVERYONE IS INVITED, COME HAVE DARSHANS, CHANT EAT DANCE, BUT ANYTHING AGAINST SRILA PRABHUPAD’S INSTRUCTIONS WILL NOT BE ENTERTAINED.
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That’s all from my side prbhuji. I am extremely sorry i do not have any Srila Prabhupada’s quotes attached with my reply, but thats what all i have to say. I am not going to play a COMMMENT-REPLY game, but i am waiting for your acknowledgement / reply, because i really dont think that MPP prbhuji will reply to anyone so i would suggest you form my little 2 year experince, better not wait, HKC devotees are waiting for his replies from 5-6 years.
Deepanshu Soni Prabhu ;
After reading your comments with due care and concern, I would like to share the following with you and all the learned READERS ;
The Wiseman once said ; ” If my opponents continue telling lies about me, I will continue telling the TRUTH about them “.
That is how and what our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada had lived his life by example. The more we learn and understand from Srila Prabhupada, the better we can stand for the TRUTH.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri wrote>> The Wiseman once said ; ” If my opponents continue telling lies about me, I will continue telling the TRUTH about them “.
LOL. That is taken from my comments to Tim Lee from a blog post I linked above.
Prahlad Das >> ”If my you continue telling LIES about me, I will continue telling the TRUTH about you “.
Amar clearly has NO CONCERN whatsoever for the ABUSE of HKC devotees by IB/AP devotees in Jaipur or the relentless DEMONIZATION of HKC Jaipur and other Prabhupadanugas by the Prabhupadanuga unity-destroyer & sociopath Tim Lee. I’m guessing that Amar must be a fully paid-up member of the Madhupanditanugas. And just see the kind of gobbledygook he DEMANDS me to respond to:
Amar Puri says>> “It is not that I do not believe in what little you have exposed in your writing and yet you are not sure yourself whether I would probably believe you or not indicate the level of your firm conviction you have about what you are exposing that which further creates more questions to you based on your little writing.. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ………………”
Oh… And we are STILL WAITING for ANY EVIDENCE (or a RETRACTION and APOLOGY) from Mahesh and Tim Lie about their 100’s of FALSE STATEMENTS about HKC, Janardan and myself over the last few years. Tim’s latest absurd, malicious LIE is that I am also a promoter, supporter and “jackboot licker” of Adolf Hitler on FaceBook – even though I have spent the last 3 years speaking against devotees on FaceBook who selectively quote Srila Prabhupada to make him look like a Hitler-loving, Jew-hating, heartless bigot – just to add weight to their own political ideas. These ‘devotees’ then attack me (and/or block me) for posting like this:
Prahlad Das>> “Prabhupada said that maybe Hitler did not kill as many Jews as the allies said he did. He did not say he did not kill any Jews (or other groups). He said Hitler was not so bad man (as the allies said he was) ONLY because he did not use nuclear weapons whereas the allies did (in Japan).
NOWHERE DOES PRABHUPADA SAY THAT HIS INITIATED DISCIPLES SHOULD SPEND THEIR TIME PRAISING A MATERIALISTIC DEMON LIKE HITLER IN PUBLIC!.
Srila Prabhupada: “Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada
said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas.” (Letter to Krsnadasa. Vrindaban. 72-11-07)
Why can’t these Hitler-promoting “devotees” accept this clear instruction from their own Guru? Instead they only make Prabhupada and his followers look like Hitler-loving, fanatical ‘Neo-Nazi’ clowns (all in public). It appears that their love of Hitler is stronger than their love of Srila Prabhupada. Such a shame.
Maybe they should start another Hare Krishna splinter group? ISHCON – The International Society for Hitler Consciousness (aka ‘The Hitleranugas’) ?
And this is the inevitable result of their “preaching”. (Taken from one of Mukunda Dasa’s 100’s of pro-Hitler FB posts):
Jose Rocha: “I don’t believe S Prabhupada once told Hitler was a good man and also that he did not believe in the concentration camps! These camps were real and the evil on earth! If this is true, I shall leave S Prabhupada right away! HK!”
Just see the nice seva these so-called ‘Prabhupadanugas’ are doing for Srila Prabhupada and Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan mission!
Prahlad Das >> ”If my you continue telling LIES about me, I will continue telling the TRUTH about you “.
Amar Puri wrote>> The Wiseman once said ; ” If my opponents continue telling lies about me, I will continue telling the TRUTH about them “.
First of all, do you read any difference between your writing and my writing ?
By the way, I do not follow either your blog or Tim Lee. Therefore, it is not taken from you.
If it is indeed your very own writing, then, you must have a better understood it. Is it NOT TRUE ?
Since you have not understood it, therefore, it is that very reason of your writing which indicates lack and limit of the knowledge of your understanding in handling the situation of HKC devotees for which I have asked you the very relevant questions in my comments dated Dec. 21 which reads ;
A wise person with a clean slate only writes what is necessary and avoid all what is unnecessary. You are writing to Amar Puri with the ill remarks when I have already addressed to your concern in my message on December 19.
Now that you are wondering because you keep on IGNORING either to read or NOT to reply to my message of December 19 which I reproduce here below one more time for your kind perusal and convenience seeking the ANSWERS to my questions.
Did you read carefully from Mahatma Dasa what it says in his comments with regard to the COOPERATION ?
The same very token, keeping in mind, did you pay attention to what I have written and asked further questions from you in my December 18 comments ?
I reproduce here below December 18 message ;
( It is not that I do not believe in what little you have exposed in your writing and yet you are not sure yourself whether I would probably believe you or not indicate the level of your firm conviction you have about what you are exposing that which further creates more questions to you based on your little writing.
( PAY ATTENTION HERE PL. ) Giving you the benefit of doubt , AP/IB Jaipur temple ” new ritvik-initiates ” who have practically very little to no particular knowledge about HKC Jaipur activities what they do besides being told that HKC Jaipur is BOGUS because HKC is not under the banner of IB/AP, sound very foolish which can simply be clarified with well informed knowledge on this issue by any one.
I am totally astonished to read that you were personally there and could not clarify and educate these new initiates of AP/IB Jaipur. I am sorry to ask this questions, what kind of preaching work you did when you were personally joined with HKC devotees for preaching there ?
You have had a great opportunity to educate these people in a constructive ways. How come you did not avail such opportunity ? I am sorry, it looks like something is not making sense at all. May be I do not have the complete picture of understanding what is going on between HKC Jaipur and AP/IB Jaipur devotees.” )
What and why it is so difficult for you to address and answer these further questions ?
Please answer these questions for the meaningful constructive understanding of some certain conclusion to take place.
( N.B. ; PLEASE PAY ATTENTION HERE what was written on Dec. 19 ; ) ” We shall refer separately for clarification, if you so desire, regarding the issue of infiltration by Bhakta dasa in the HKC Jaipur organization which you are referring to Tim Lee and others their endless allegations and so on.
But at this point let us find and arrive at the constructive way to help in solving HKC Jaipur devotees to whom we are all well wisher and sympathizer.
NOT addressing the particular issues timely and thus avoiding it are the signs and symptoms of the presence of FAT EGOS which manifests subtly on account of Power, Prestige and Money control and so on.
Hope you as a Honest and Sincere person as I am begin to see and realize the importance of these issues by addressing in a timely fashion.
NOW IF YOU ARE TRULY HONEST AND SINCERE, please reply to it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari Bol……..it seems only few people are concerned here about the truth……what can be done ? IB is one hugely deviated movement now…..we can clearly see that in their activities. The people engaged in defending them are actually the puppets of Kali and and all they have to support only Kali Chellas.
Its so disappointing to see this…….They are are not concerned about Srila Prabhupada’s movement but they use His quotes just to justify themselves.
We are fighting for the TRUTH from soo long, but no response from their side. What else can we do prbhuji?
—– Forwarded Message —–
From: Mahesh Raja
To: Dayalu Nitai Das
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2015, 16:38
Subject: Re: Bhakta das
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
Thank-you very much for your quick reply.
I actually wanted to FIND OUT the TRUTH. What happened was there was a email that I had been sent. This was NOT from Puranjana. Neither do I wish to divulge who from as it gets messy. I cut and paste just THAT small PART of it on Bhakta das involvement with you on http://www.Prabhupadanugas.eu
The idea was to ASCERTAIN the TRUTH.
However, Just to shed more light on it IF this was true OR not depended on my acting as “devils advocate” to churn up the truth. The rest of debate is history.
You say:
“Also I think that there was some talk about cooperation between Prabhupadanugas, earlier also I (on behalf of HKC devotees) was fully in favour of it and now also I am fully for it. Whatever is required like forming a committee or talking to IB group, even if it requires going to their place. Even if MPP is very busy, I can talk to CPP at his time at his place. I mean to say I am ready to do anything for co-operation if it pleases Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples (my respectable Godbrothers).”
I have to say this, that we ALL have BIG FAT egos – THIS is WHY we are IN this material world–in the first place. We all clash with each other. Yes – things have happened in the past that are sour between different devotees BUT at the end of the day if one WANTS to get OUT of the Jail of material world then it is by PLEASING Srila Prabhupada ONLY. There is—- NO ALTERNATIVE: “So try to organize things and preach TOGETHER in this spirit, AND THAT WILL PLEASE ME VERY, VERY MUCH
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
750712SB.PHI Lectures
Prabhupada: YES. THIS IS THE ORDER. GURU-MUKHA-PADMA-VAKYA, cittete koriya aikya. Now citta means consciousness or heart. “I SHALL DO THIS ONLY, BAS. MY GURU MAHARAJA TOLD ME; I SHALL DO THIS.” Cittete koriya aikya, ar na koriho mane asa. So it is not my pride, but I can say, for your instruction, I did it. Therefore whatever little success you see than my all my Godbrothers, it is due to this. I have no capacity, but I took it, the words of my guru, as life and soul. So this is fact. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya. EVERYONE SHOULD DO THAT. But if he makes addition, alteration, then he is finished.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
From: Dayalu Nitai Das
To: Mahesh Raja
Cc: Raghava Pandit Das
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2015, 13:57
Subject: Re: Bhakta das
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.
What to speak of taking donation, I do not even know how he (Bhakta Dasa) looks like (as I have never even seen his photograph what to speak of meeting him in person). I do not even know his profile neither I have had any interaction with him online. I have just heard about this name from some other devotees who keep telling me that Puranjan Das (Tim Lee) is trying to associate me and HKC with Bhakta Dasa and some other names which I do not even remember now.
Anyway, you will be happy to know that after lot of efforts finally we (Hare Krishna Village) are moving towards a full fledged Varnasrama Community working as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and instructions. Already around 40-50 devotees are living there as brahamcharis, grihasthas & vanprasthas and everyone is working either as a brahmin, Ksatriya, Vaisya or Sudra co-operatively for the service of the Lord. Since this is daivi Varnasrama these devotees are just playing these roles but most of them except some Vaisya Community devotees are chanting 16 rounds and following other rules given by Srila Prabhupada.Some standard of K.C (like chanting 4-5 rounds and following some rules) are even being followed by the employees (sudras) here.
Now our gurukul has 2 children from Russia, and 2 more are coming from Germany in March,one boy who is a son of a big politician in this area has also joined our Varnasrama College recently which has become a big news amongst local people here.
By the grace of Srila Prabhupada, now we also have 2 customized bullock carts which are going in nearby villages (packed up with our devotees) doing Harinam and distributing prasadam etc.This is having a great effect on the villagers and the media (T.V and newspaper) is also covering it very favorably which is making the people more inclined to accept K.C philosophy.
We are also utilizing the bulls for transportation, sankirtan, running some chara (cow fodder) cutting and grinding machines, agriculture etc. This is all being done by Vaisya Community devotees who are also trading many products like Organic Jaggery, Go-Ark, Ghee, milk from our Goshala etc. which is all being manufactured here with the help of some local villagers who are employed as sudras by these Vaisya devotees. These vaisya devotees are being managed and being provided all resources by ksatriya devotees and the vaisya devotees are giving 25% of their income as tax to ksatriyas as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Brahmin devotees are teaching and guiding the ksatriya devotees. Matajajis are cooking, stiching,taking care of small children and training other matajis in chastity, cooking and cleanliness and everyone is chanting Hare Krishna and worshiping Srila Prabhupada as their spiritual master.Everyone is also going through the Bhakti Shastri course where exams are conducted on the original books of Srila Prabhupada. This way everyone is studying Srila Prabhupada’s books seriously and except a few everyone is scoring very high in all the tests. This is one of Srila Prabhupada’s desire which we are trying to execute here exactly as he has instructed. Bhakti Shastri course as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and extensively studying Srila Prabhupada’s books and are scoring very good marks etc. etc.
ALL THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE !!!
Some senior devotees like Prahlad Prabhu from England and Mathura Pati Prabhu from Germany visit almost every year here with other devotees and stay sometimes for months together. Other senior Prabhupadanugas like Kansahanta Prabhu (U.K), Gauri Das Pandit Prabhu (U.S), Sunder Gopal Prabhu (Singapore) and Gokul Chand Prabhu (NZ), Prahlad Bhakta Prabhu (Pond., India) have visited once and are likely to visit again on the coming Gaur Poornima with many other foreign devotees for the Prabhupadanugas festival. These devotees can share their first hand experience with other devotees around the world for their pleasure, guidance and support.
For other Prabhupadanuga devotees who may not be able to visit here , I will soon be putting up a documentry film (which we will keep updating as things improve here – hopefully – by Krishna’s grace and the blessings and support of Prabhupadanuga devotees around the world) on http://www.Prabhupadanugas.eu and other sites and also send it to them. This documentry will have Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on Varnashrama and how these instructions are being practically implemented here. This we will show with the help of photographs, video clips, interviews of devotees staying here etc..
We will also put our future plans as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions in this documentry film for the pleasure and guidance of all Prabhupadanugas. We will welcome any advise or constructive criticism based on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions and will try to improve or set things right if we are going wrong anywhere.
I and other devotees were very busy in getting this whole thing together to the current stage (which miraculously came to the present stage in just last 6 months which in normal course would have taken years). Since I was very busy therefore I did not get time to check my facebook or e-mail accounts or other comments on the internet.
Now, also Raghav Pandit Prabhu (full time senior brahamchari and secretary at HKC) told me to check my mail box and some threads on facebook since there is some confusion/discussion going on amongst senior Prabhupadanugas regarding Tim Lees comments and my not being present on the internet (on behalf of HKC) to answer them, Co-opeartion between IB group and HKC, Importance of Varnashrama etc.
So, I have answered some things regarding activities of HKC going on here with respect to Varnashrama. Obviously youth preaching, book distribution etc. is going in full swing in Jaipur under the guidance of Raghav Pandit Prabhu. Now the boys who are coming in contact with us have many options to live with the devotees as Brhmanas, Ksatriyas or Vaisyas and can choose whatever ashrama is suitable for them. “Sthane Sthithe Shruti Gatam”. They are not dependent on the temple for their livelihood. Otherwise mostly Iskcon and other groups have just one option that become brahamchari or if you cannot remain brahamchari then get married and everyone collect donations to run the temple or take salary or remuneration if not inspired otherwise to collect donations.So those boys/devotees who do not feel inspired or cannot fit in this profile are dragged to work for karmis for their livelihood who make them work so hard and with no devotee association there K.C life gets finished and their children are also sent to these karmi schools (slaughterhouses) but with this Varnashram model anyone who wants to live simply and practice K.C can come, that is what we are experiencing here. Even their children are growing up in this K.C atmosphere and getting trained in gurukul so a whole next generation of devotees is being created and they are being saved from going to slaughterhouses of this modern education system.It is really wonderfull!!
Also I think that there was some talk about cooperation between Prabhupadanugas, earlier also I (on behalf of HKC devotees) was fully in favour of it and now also I am fully for it. Whatever is required like forming a committee or talking to IB group, even if it requires going to their place. Even if MPP is very busy, I can talk to CPP at his time at his place. I mean to say I am ready to do anything for co-operation if it pleases Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples (my respectable Godbrothers).
l will personally also check out more things on http://www.prabhuadanugas.eu and with other devotees and answer them as and when I get time.For the time being I can only say that there is nothing to worry rather there are many things to feel joyful about as many of Srila Prabhupada’s desires regarding establishing Varnashrama Communiites is coming true. This is just a small endeavor here and an example which will trigger off many such communities all over the world. Here many of the Varnasharma College boys who are being trained up nicely are capable of establishing such communities once their training is completed.
I am sending a copy of this reply to Raghav Pandit Prabhu also who is in Jaipur (I am at Hare Krishna Village currently which is around 70-80 Kms. from Jaipur) so that he can remain updated and answer queries of other devotees in case I am not available due to some urgent services going on here.
I will be at your service to clear any of your doubts.
your servant (in the service of Srila Prabhupada’s original unadulterated instructions),
Dayalu Nitai Das.
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Mahesh Raja wrote:
> Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
> All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
> Please accept my humble obeisances
> Hare Krsna!
>
> Can you please answer the following:
>
> Did Bhakta das ever give you a donation?
>
> Hare Krsna!
> ys mahesh
So Mahesh, for the sake of Prabhupadanuga unity, will you now retract, and APOLOGISE for, ALL of your baseless accusations against Prabhupada’s sincere devotees?
Or will you, as PROMISED, ever provide EVIDENCE for them? Starting with this:
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.”
Please show evidence that:
1) HKC Jaipur has been infiltrated by Bhakta Das.
2) HKC & myself glorify Bhakta Das, Radhanath & Hari Sauri.
3) I do not like the above 3 kali-chelas to be criticised.
4) I support the above 3 kali-chelas.
???
Prabhus,
Please go to the 4:23 minute mark on the following video (for three minutes). Here we can see how Srila Prabhupada felt about devotees criticizing other devotees – even if that devotee had deviated or fallen down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCn2HnJmd8I#t=04m23s
Thank you and Hare Krsna.
Hare Krsna.
On the eve of Jesus Christ’s birth a nice message of the faith about the Love, Krsna.
The Hymn To Love – Apostle Paul
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love,
I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have prophetic powers,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains,
but have not love,
I am nothing.
If I give away all I have,
and if I deliver my body to be burned,
but have not love,
I gain nothing.
Love is patient and kind;
love is not jealous or boastful;
it is not arrogant or rude.
Love does not insist on its own way;
it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
Love bears all things,
believes all things,
hopes all things,
endures all things.
Love never ends;
as for prophecies, they will pass away;
as for tongues, they will cease;
as for knowledge, it will pass away.
For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect;
but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.
When I was a child,
I spoke like a child,
I thought like a child,
I reasoned like a child;
when I became a man,
I gave up childish ways.
For now we see in a mirror dimly,
but then face to face.
Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully,
even as I have been fully understood.
So faith,
hope,
love
abide, these three;
but the greatest of these
is love.
(Chapter Thirteen of St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians)
MEANWHILE………
krishna1008December 21, 2015 at 7:48 PM
[PADA: Prahlad’s Mukunda program made a video of Bhakta das speaking, which was posted on Mukunda’s site. And the Bhakta das video was advertised by Prahlad on his own website. Prahlad ALSO quoted extensively from Hari Sauri’s book where HS says me and Sulochana are gopi sahajiyas (and which Sulochana says was made to demonize us to get us killed). Many of the HKC Jaipur people sent me links to Prahlad’s site, which has been advertising Bhakta das and Hari Sauri’s materials. Bhakta das says Radhanath is a saint and the ritviks are poison cancers. Hari Sauri has been Bhavananda’s bucket boy and he still is. Q: Why does Prahlad and HKC Jaipur folks promote the biggest supporters of the molester messiahs club and send me links to same? Just answer the question! As for Mahesh being a liar, no, he said there is no evidence Prahlad has been writing for 25 years, because none of us ever saw his writings, that means Mahesh is telling the truth. Why does Prahlad promote the people who say worship of Srila Prabhupada is a poison cancer, and who write things to get Sulochana killed? And why does HKC Jaipur promote this? And why do they never answer this for years together? ys pd]
krishna1008December 22, 2015 at 6:36 AM
[PADA: Right, we need to be fair, its not just the HKC Jaipur folks who are advertising that we all need to listen to Hitler, Stalin, Nelson Mandela, and read the Torah and their alleged Protocols of Zion documents (when they are not listening to their hero shiksha gurus Bhakta das and Hari Sauri) many of our other God brothers are also posting all sorts of things all the time about mundane politicians, the 9/11 truthers, the chemtrails people, and so on and so forth.
So its not just HKC Jaipur folks who advertises meditation on mundane people and GBC groupies like Bhakta das, many of our brothers have fallen into a similar ditch. Srila Prabhupada says, we are not supposed to be meditating on all this. And thus, a lot of these people do not like Bangalore, because the devotees there are doing wonderful kirtanas to beautiful Krishna deities, and these grinches are never happy to see that going on! Right, Bangalore devotees have transcended all these mundane foolish attachments, and that makes these grinch people upset, they want us to wallow in their serpent people meditation illusions. Correct. ys pd]
krishna1008December 22, 2015 at 4:07 PM
[PADA: Thanks. You want us to unite, fine, we are all already united — starting out in 1970. Srila Prabhupada was always against people like Prahlad / Mukunda who are promoting videos of Hitler, quotes from Stalin, sales of the Illuminati dvds, rages against the alleged Zionists and etc. He said this is all mundane ker-fluffle which is unwanted by the Vaishnavas. We agree with the acharya. We united with his idea to reject all this nonsense and have been all along. The “devotees” who meditate on these things are not part of his process, because he said, avoid all this nonsense, and we are — and so are thousands and thousands of other vaishnavas who have no taste for these modes of ignorance materials. We are not devotees of Stalin and Hitler and have no interest whatever in these people. Srila Prabhupada says — this is called anartha. We are NOT going to unite under the flag of promoting all this foolishness. And that is why their program is failing in UK, they cannot even make a small home program in UK what to speak of bigger plan, because no one wants to go hear rants about Hitler, Stalin, the snake demons, Devil signs, and etc. Its making ordinary people barf and we are exposing you for trying to mix Krishna into your modes of ignorance project. Try to speak about Krishna for a change and maybe we can unite, otherwise not. Prahlad told me their Illuminati and Stalin program is good because “its gets lots of hits on youtube,” fine, videos about cooking beef stew also gets a lot of hits there, but that is not the goal of life just to have lots of views on your videos. You need to join the vaishnava agenda if you want unity. ys pd]
krishna1008December 23, 2015 at 6:57 AM
[PADA: Right prabhu, this is identical to the GBC’s bait and switch. they tell people they “need to listen to Prabhupada only,” then they send their victims a Hitler video and a rant about how others are really with the Illuminati / Stalin / Zionists, of course they never name who these people are really, its all mano rathena. They are are masquerading as Prabhupada people but they have no interest in what he says, he says we cannot get entangled with these mundane politicians, speculations and modes of ignorance programs. So far none of these people even answered my first question, why are you guys using a photo of Prabhupada to advertise your beef eating illuminati speakers? OK Prahlad answered, he said he is going to give my photo to the GBC’s goondas (yep guess who he is conspiring with) so he could get me killed. That means they not only want to lump Krishna in with their beef eating speakers, they want to kill anyone who objects: GBC goondas pt. 2. Anyway, if we are all going to unify, they need to unify with what we started off with in 1978, lets worship Prabhupada and follow what he says. ys pd]
Repeatedly writing and spreading this absurd, divisive, offensive, blasphemous poison against sincere Prabhupadanugas (and ignoring all attempts to respond) is the only “service” that is done by Tim Lee. Now, compare this to the service done by the devotees of HKC Jaipur (outlined in Dayalu Nitai prabhu’s eMail to Mahesh above).
Now tell me… Who is DEVOTEE and who is DEMON?
Prahlad Prabhu,
Respects. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Clearly we are dealing with a very twisted and delusional mind. There is some kind of mental illness here mixed with delusions of grandeur and who knows what the hell else?
My humble advice is to just ignore it. “The dogs may bark but the caravan will pass.” Unfortunately there is no way under the sun for anyone to change this. I know three original Prabhupada disciples — very sincere devotees — who were also mercilessly attacked for no reason — simply lies and made up stories from who knows where it all came? They wanted to co-operate, but were driven away for no discernible reason whatsoever. I watched it all unfold. It was basically the same as what you’re going through now. They argued and fought back, but to no avail. They finally just had to move on and try to forget the whole bitter episode. I sympathize with your plight, but all you can do is warn others, as you have done, and get the hell as far away as you can from this lunacy. These type of people love the attention, so no sense in feeding the monster what it wants. Cut your losses and say bye-bye — for your own good!
Sorry, but after much deliberation, I don’t see any alternative. If someone here wants to support this madness, so be it. You’re not responsible. You tried your best. Thank you very much. Please carry on with your service to Prabhupada. Actions speak louder than words. Good overcomes evil in the end, so no worries, Prabhu. Krsna will protect His devotees and vanquish the demons in due course of time. You have done your duty. Best wishes in your endeavors to please Srila Prabhupada and spread his mercy far and wide for the benefit of the conditioned souls.
Hare Krsna.
Hare Krishna Dear Prabhujis. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dandavat pranams.
It’s quite amazing how devotees believed Tim Lee’s/Puranjan Das’s absurd lies about HKC/Dayalu Nitai prabhu. I can’t even believe that Tim is a devotee, how any sane man can write so absurd about anyone without knowing him/them ? And this all Tim is doing from last 2 years.
This is a humble advice to Amar Puri prabhu to come and visit HKC, Jaipur and see yourself how devotee are doing here. Ask Madhu Pandit prabhu why he is not coming in open and resolve the issue ? If he does not come for solution so what we can do ? Instead of advising Prahlad prabhu (who did his best by going AP temple here personally and invited them for isthagoshti) you advice Madhu Pandit prabhu or come personally to resolve this issue. Instead of appreciating Prahlad prabhu’s service you are setting aside his efforts??????
Every year Prahlad prabhu comes to India spend 4-5 months with HKC. Participate in various preaching activities (Street Sankirtan, Book Distribution, College programs, Village programs, temple evening-morning programs etc etc.). Helps many other foreigner devotees to invite. It’s because of him now many devotees from around the world know about HKC and visit here. He emphasize devotees to hear and read Srila Prabvhupada’s books.
And I felt very bad when Amar Puri prabhu wrote so loosely about Dayalu Niati prabhu. Its obvious prabhu that NOBODY is equal or higher than Our Loving Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada. EVen the students in our gurukula knows Srila Prabhupada as our ONLY savior.
I would like to repeat the words of Prahald prabhu “The light is already there but you refuse to open your eyes and see, so what can be done?
Thanks
Dear Ram Das Prabhu,
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, my eyes are openning when I hear the good voices from the sincere devotees. When some one like Prahlad dasa creates a wall of OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE approaches in his writing instead of taking the time of accepting the responsibility of what is needed creates the confusion, conflicts and misunderstanding.
As a result of it, it made me critical in my writing about Dayalu Nitai Prabhu when there is no any response from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu directly after such a long time to the article I put it up on this web site besides Prahlad dasa who uses his all types of OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE destructive approach in his answering the questions on behalf of HKC Jaipur organization including Dayalu Nitai Prabhu.
We, the well wishers, sympathizers and supporters of HKC Jaipur are still awaiting to hear directly from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu in this regard of the issue as to what type of progress, if any, has taken place in developing PRODUCTIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE understanding with IB/AP Jaipur.
My critical writings to any body including Dayalu Nitai Prabhu are not intended for any type of blasphemy to any one. It is simply meant to know the TRUTH. If any one feels offended with my critical writing as such, I beg for the forgiveness of my such offence.
Rest assured, we support and stand for the TRUTH in serving the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.
YS….. Amar Puri.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu already quoted an email from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu here:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41499#comment-34727
(please scroll down to the yellow coloured text below the Prabhupada quotes)
I had no idea about this community (HKC) before. Now because of all the negative rhetoric, I’m actually inspired to check it out. If Madhu Pandit is aligned with all these outrageous lies and falsehoods, then I’m afraid he has lost this potential supporter and friend, and probably many others too. The truth will prevail, and untruth will crumble to dust. Krsna knows and sees all. No one can fool the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Who is the Supersoul in everyone’s heart. Jaya Sri Krsna! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Dear LW,
Yes, HKC is doing a very good job. They are some of the nicest and most helpful and SINCERE (this is what amazes me so much) devotees i have ever met. In the past i had a bogus guru and was part
of a Bogus guru sanga, and it is a great relief that these things do not go on there. The devotees standards at HKC are very high, i can barely do 50% of what they do. I stayed there for many months this year in 2015. I was amazed at how reguarly the devotees attend mangal arati, most do so every day. Everyone that is in sound health there which is basically everyone is engaged around the clock. Just today for example they did a preaching program at the local Jaipur Prison and distributed 2,500 Bhagavad Gitas! Their sincere efforts will not go unnoticed by Krsna and Prabhupad. As a westerner visiting India, it has been very hard on my health, and i have not been nearly as productive as i was in America, so i am taking it as easy as possible trying to fix my health.
If you are serious about visiting HKC in the near future, just try to contact Prahlad Prabhu and talk to him, he has known them the longest and can handle this the best.
What else can i say? The devotees there have been very kind to me although i probably dont deserve it, and have taught me alot about the modern indian culture as well as the older vedic one. India is no walk in the park for a person used to high grade western luxuries like i am, but with some determination and Krsnas help it is possible. We are all on facebook as well thats the best way to contact anyone there.;
Hope all is well.
you fallen trying to be servant,
bhakta peter
Jaya Prabhupad! Hare Krsna!
Thank you, Bhakta Peter Prabhu, for the information about HKC.
Prahlad Prabhu initially sparked my interest in the project, but then he made some unpalatable statements about Amar Puri Prabhu. I humbly suggested that he reconsider his comments, but he didn’t bother to reply. So I have lost interest.
By the same token, Mahesh Raja Prabhu also made some questionable comments and I twice requested his explanation. But no reply either.
So I’m no longer interested in the so-called “ritvik” or “Prabhupadanuga” movement with everyone fighting one another, ad infinitum.
Srila Prabhupada said that we each have to fly our own plane. Or as the old saying goes, “It’s every man for himself.” Personally, I think the group thing is a bust. The ISKCON camp is full of infighting, and so is the Prabhupadanuga movement. So what’s the use?
The Beatles had a hit in 1965 called “We Can Work It Out.” One of the lines in the song goes like this:
“Life is very short, and there’s no time for fussing and fighting, my friend.”
(We Can Work It Out by John Lennon and Paul McCartney)
That pretty much sums it up for me. Good luck to all concerned.
Srila Prabhupada ki jaya!
LW Prabhu says: ” So I’m no longer interested in the so-called “ritvik” or “Prabhupadanuga” movement with everyone fighting one another, ad infinitum. ”
From this writing of yours ; ” Srila Prabhupada ki jaya! ” it shows definitely your Love and Trust for our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
So keeping that in mind, you may perhaps lose some interest in some body or others who is or are motivated under the influence of the three mode material nature in their service to Srila Prabhupada’s mission as it is perceived by our faulty sense perception, does it mean that you have to abandon Srila Prabhupad association with so many others sincere people like yourself because you have lost interest with some one did not respond to your advice ?
So losing such sincere interest seems very much conditional. Isn’t it ?
That certainly does not pretty much sums it up for a sincere person like yourself or does it ?
Further I can read through your sensitive comments with full of intellect which is very much appreciated. But make no mistake that every body is NOT on the same platform of yours or mine. We all have to cultivate such higher platform of understanding and knowing in realization of the reality of the Truth at our respective pace of the journey towards going home Back to Godhead as you see it. Is that not a FACT, Prabhu ?
Looking forward to hear further your insight.
May the blessing of the Lord be upon us all in the sincere association for the service of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
OM TAT SAT.
YS……. Amar Puri.
Thank you, Amar Puri Prabhu.
I just hope that everyone can find a common platform in working together for Srila Prabhupada. But if not, then we just have to carry on “to the best of our individual capacity,” as Srila Prabhupada has advised.
“Krishna consciousness is beneficial both ways, namely individually and collectively. Any other process of human welfare activities, unless it is accepted collectively by the whole community, nation, there is no possibility of benefit to the individual person. But Krishna consciousness being transcendental and spiritual it is absolute. Even if collectively it is not accepted, any person who has taken Krishna consciousness individually, he’ll feel himself happy and prosperous. So there is no loss in either ways.”
All the best in your service to Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna!
Good quote Prabhu, especially in these times… would you please advise the reference for this.
Hare Krsna.
Yhs Balaram das.
The quote is from 1968, but sorry, I don’t have further details at present. A devotee transcriber sent me about six unpublished Prabhupada lectures some 15 years ago. I’ll try to find out more and will let you know. Haribol.
Many thanks Prabhu.. The webmaster has my email addy, so please feel free to contact if you like. I’m on the Gold Coast Australia and we have a (very) small group of Prabhupada disciples here, mostly ex-TPs haha.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Yhs, Balaram das.
ps. I don’t have a reference, but I heard Prabhupada said something like .. the material world is no place for a ‘gentleman’.
LW Prabhu ; Thank you for sharing your general thoughts which are well taken and appreciated as usual.
However, I asked PARTICULAR four questions in my comments which were not answered at all. For your convenience, I re-produce here below once again for your answers ;
( So keeping that in mind, you may perhaps lose some interest in some body or others who is or are motivated under the influence of the three mode material nature in their service to Srila Prabhupada’s mission as it is perceived by our faulty sense perception, does it mean that you have to abandon Srila Prabhupad association with so many others sincere people like yourself because you have lost interest with some one did not respond to your advice ?
So losing such sincere interest seems very much conditional. Isn’t it ?
That certainly does not pretty much sums it up for a sincere person like yourself or does it ?
Further I can read through your sensitive comments with full of intellect which is very much appreciated. But make no mistake that every body is NOT on the same platform of yours or mine. We all have to cultivate such higher platform of understanding and knowing in realization of the reality of the Truth at our respective pace of the journey towards going home Back to Godhead as you see it. Is that not a FACT, Prabhu ? )
I am really begging to look forward for the SPECIFIC answers to the PARTICULAR above cited four questions from you, Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
YS…. Amar Puri.
Dear Respected Amar Puri Prabhu,
Hare Krsna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
You write: “… does it mean that you have to abandon Srila Prabhupad association with so many others sincere people like yourself because you have lost interest with some one did not respond to your advice ?”
No, but I’m not interested in any groups (labeled as ritvik, Prabhupadanuga or otherwise) who harass, offend or blaspheme other Vaisnavas, whatever their philosophical persuasion may be.
You write: “So losing such sincere interest seems very much conditional. Isn’t it ?”
The bottom line for me is that I try to humbly honor and respect all sincere servants of Srila Prabhupada. But those who spend their time and efforts criticizing others don’t interest me. If that is conditional, then I guess the answer is yes.
You write: “That certainly does not pretty much sums it up for a sincere person like yourself or does it ?”
I’m not sincere, but if you kindly give me your blessings then maybe in some distant lifetime there might be a tiny drop of hope for even a rascal like myself to eventually become sincere. (Maybe.)
You write: “We all have to cultivate such higher platform of understanding and knowing in realization of the reality of the Truth at our respective pace of the journey towards going home Back to Godhead as you see it. Is that not a FACT, Prabhu ?”
Yes, Prabhu. That is a FACT!
Hope this is satisfactory to you.
Haribol!
LW Prabhu writes ; ” No, but I’m not interested in any groups (labeled as ritvik, Prabhupadanuga or otherwise) who harass, offend or blaspheme other Vaisnavas, whatever their philosophical persuasion may be. ”
My concern is that did a group labeled as ritvik, Prabhupadanuga in which you are interested harass, offend or blaspheme a Vaisnavas ?
or
Is it an individual person or persons who does or do such offence that made you all of a sudden disinterested as explained in my writing ?
Further LW Prabhu writes ; ” I’m not sincere, but if you kindly give me your blessings then maybe in some distant lifetime there might be a tiny drop of hope for even a rascal like myself to eventually become sincere. (Maybe.) ”
My concern is that A sincere person always seek the blessings. You are indeed SINCERE as you write in your comments mentioned above.
I wonder why you say ” ” I’m not sincere, ” ?
As you have accepted what I said in my message which reads ;
“We all have to cultivate such higher platform of understanding and knowing in realization of the reality of the Truth at our respective pace of the journey towards going home Back to Godhead as you see it. Is that not a FACT, Prabhu ?”
You answered ; Yes, Prabhu. That is a FACT!
If it is a FACT, then, after understanding the FACT, I still WONDER why there is such ” iccha – dvesa samutthena (BG 7.27 ) i.e. your DISINTEREST in the INTEREST or vice versa in the Prabhupada Sanga all of a sudden at your
end ?
Certainly, such ” iccha – dvesa ” never satisfies any one PARTICULARLY who follows in rendering the service to our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada mission.
Of course, there are disagreement amongst the like minded followers and supporters of Srila Prabhupada mission based on the respective personal motivated interest of an agenda of the individuals or collective members of different groups, but, this Prabhupadaanuga site has only the agenda of Srila Prabhupada mission as it seems which is available to all of US indiscriminately to render individual service to further carry on Srila Prabhupada mission for many generation to come.
So, where is the need of such ” ” iccha – dvesa ” ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
YS…. Amar Puri.
Hare Krsna Amar Puri Prabhu,
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
I think you can go back and read the comments on this thread to easily know who I was referring to.
Aside from that, I thank you for your questions, but would humbly suggest that you please spend your valuable time on studying and hearing from Srila Prabhupada directly through his books and tapes. I’m not important and it’s really not worth it to worry too much about what I say. Please take what you can and just leave the rest.
Thank you very much for your kind comments and consideration. Wishing you the best in your Krsna consciousness and service to Srila Prabhupada.
Haribol!
Hare Krsna LW Prabhu,
I can understand your sentiments, but please be assured that many of us who post comments on this forum and even those who just read it, greatly appreciate your contributions and genuine realizations. Your sincerity to Srila Prabhupada always shines through.
Many times when these ‘disagreement threads’ just go on and on, I also feel what’s the use in continuing here. Perhaps in the interest of positivity, the dear webmaster prabhu who provides such a great service for us, could ring the finish bell a bit earlier to avoid the useless ‘back & forth’ accusations with no apparent outcome.
Many wonderful articles are presented everyday on this forum and many pass without any comment, so there is plenty of scope for positive association here for those who desire it.
Your humble streetsweeper,
Balaram das.
Dear Balaram Prabhu,
Hare Krsna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Thank you very much for your kind and encouraging words. Very sweet and much appreciated.
On July 29, 1971, Srila Prabhupada was interviewed on television at the University of Gainesville in Florida and asked the following question:
Interviewer: How would I recognize a true follower of the Krsna consciousness movement by his behavior? What would his traits be? What would his outward expressions be?
Srila Prabhupada: He’d be a very perfect gentleman, that’s all. You could not find any fault in him.
Please note that Srila Prabhupada did not reply that “a true follower” was a “guru,” a GBC member, a sannyasi, a leader, a card-carrying member of any group or club — nor that he or she wore robes, chanted 16 rounds or anything of the sort. A true follower according to Srila Prabhupada would be “a very perfect gentleman, that’s all.” (I repeat: “that’s all.”)
So I’m wondering how many gentleman or gentlemanly exchanges have we witnessed here lately? If someone is nit-picking, back-biting or back-stabbing another devotee or Vaisnava — or another group of Vaisnavas — then does that seem like a “true follower of the Krsna consciousness movement” according to Srila Prabhupada’s statement?
Srila Prabhupada set the standard and he is the criterion. So who wants to listen to those who are unwilling or incapable of following this most basic point and minimum standard of behavior made by our beloved spiritual master?
Srila Prabhupada further writes:
“I am glad to understand that you are living and working peacefully with the others there. This is required. If we also fight and preach Krishna consciousness, what will people say? Therefore Lord Caitanya has stated: trnad api sunicena taro api sahisnuna. Another symptom of a sadhu or spiritually advanced man is described in Srimad-Bhagavatam by Lord Kapila: titiksavah karunikah suhrdah sarva dehinam. (3.25.21) The symptoms of a sadhu is that he is tolerant, merciful, and friendly to all living entities.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 8, 1974)
In conclusion, I’d like to share one more important quote from His Divine Grace:
“Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja, the author of Caitanya-caritamrta, says that all good qualities become manifest in the body of a Vaisnava and that only by the presence of these good qualities can one distinguish a Vaisnava from a non-Vaisnava. Krsnadasa Kaviraja lists the twenty-six good qualities of a Vaisnava: (1) He is very kind to everyone. (2) He does not make anyone his enemy. (3) He is truthful (4) He is equal to everyone. (5) No one can find any fault in him. (6) He is magnanimous. (7) He is mild. (8) He is always clean. (9) He is without possessions. (10) He works for everyone’s benefit. (11) He is very peaceful. (12) He is always surrendered to Krsna. (13) He has no material desires. (14) He is very meek. (15) He is steady. (16) He controls his senses. (17) He does not eat more than required. (18) He is not influenced by the Lord’s illusory energy. (19) He offers respect to everyone. (20) He does not desire any respect for himself. (21) He is very grave. (22) He is merciful. (23) He is friendly. (24) He is poetic. (25) He is expert. (26) He is silent.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.18.12, Purport)
So there is no big secret in determining who is genuine and who is not, or who is advanced and who is a neophyte (or worse). Although I am admittedly from among the worst or lowest of all, I still wish to associate with those who exhibit saintly and devotional qualities — or at least with those who are decent human beings. Heck, in my humble view, why worry about who is so-called “advanced” even? I just want the association of a nice guy! That’s a good start. How many nice guys have we seen over the years in leadership positions either within or outside of ISKCON? Or have we seen instead rampant egotism, arrogance, rudeness, petty mindedness, dishonesty, cheating, lying, posing, rascaldom, etc., etc., etc.?
Thanks again for your positive feedback. I love your handle or sign-off: “Your humble streetsweeper.” It reminds me, of course, of one of my favorite quotes from Srila Prabhupada:
“A sincere sweeper in the street is far better than the charlatan meditator who meditates only for the sake of making a living.”
(Bhagavad-Gita As It Is 3.7, Purport)
Jaya Prabhu. Haribol!
Mundane wrangler,
LW
Thank-you LW Prabhu for providing the info on twenty-six good qualities of a Vaisnava. One thing that comes to mind is sometimes there are REVERSES in Srila Prabhupada’s life eg Poison issue. So one may think HOW can Srila Prabhupada Krsna’s PURE devotee have been given poison? The answer is: there IS Krsna’s PLAN in this: “WHEN YOU FIND A DEVOTEE IS SUPPOSED IN DIFFICULTY IT IS NOT THE WORK OF MAYA BUT IT IS THE WORK OF THE LORD BY HIS PERSONAL INTERNAL ENERGY.”
There is NO DOUBT that Srila Prabhupada was given poison by the Anti Ritvik DEMONS who wanted to usurp his Diksa guru position,take-over his disciples, Temples, money etc. THERE IS KRSNA’S PLANS in action. Krsna is sending these demons to hell for their nefarious acts. These DEMONS have been far too long in human society causing disturbances THEN after TRAINING in hell they are going to take birth in LOWER forms animals, serpents, insect in stool etc ALL because of their ENVY towards Srila Prabhupada the PURE devotee: Krsna says, “ARE CAST BY ME INTO THE OCEAN OF MATERIAL EXISTENCE, INTO VARIOUS DEMONIAC SPECIES OF LIFE.” Another place in Krsna Book:
A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. ……..IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT.
We are getting to KNOW who these Anti Ritvik DEMONS are and WHAT is their CHARACTERISTICS. This is all Krsna’s arrangements:
SB 3.16.37 P The Two Doorkeepers of Vaikuntha, Jaya and Vijaya, Cursed by the Sages
WHEN SOMETHING IS ARRANGED BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED BY IT, EVEN IF IT APPEARS TO BE A REVERSE ACCORDING TO ONE’S CALCULATIONS. For example, sometimes we see that a powerful preacher is killed, or sometimes he is put into difficulty, just as Haridasa Thakura was. He was a great devotee who came into this material world to execute the will of the Lord by preaching the Lord’s glories. But Haridasa was punished at the hands of the Kazi by being beaten in twenty-two marketplaces. Similarly, Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and Prahlada Maharaja was put through so many tribulations. The Pandavas, who were direct friends of Krsna, lost their kingdom, their wife was insulted, and they had to undergo many severe tribulations. SEEING ALL THESE REVERSES AFFECT DEVOTEES, ONE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED; ONE SHOULD SIMPLY UNDERSTAND THAT IN THESE MATTERS THERE MUST BE SOME PLAN OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. The Bhagavatam’s conclusion is that a devotee is never disturbed by such reverses. He accepts even reverse conditions as the grace of the Lord. One who continues to serve the Lord even in reverse conditions is assured that he will go back to Godhead, back to the Vaikuntha planets. Lord Brahma assured the demigods that there was no use in talking about how the disturbing situation of darkness was taking place, since the actual fact was that it was ordered by the Supreme Lord. Brahma knew this because he was a great devotee; it was possible for him to understand the plan of the Lord.
68-04-03. Letter: Satsvarupa
One thing you may inform all devotees that Maya cannot touch a pure devotee: WHEN YOU FIND A DEVOTEE IS SUPPOSED IN DIFFICULTY IT IS NOT THE WORK OF MAYA BUT IT IS THE WORK OF THE LORD BY HIS PERSONAL INTERNAL ENERGY. THE PANDAVA’S TRIBULATION IN SO MANY WAYS, LORD RAMACANDRA’S DEPARTURE TO THE FOREST, HIS WIFE THE GODDESS OF FORTUNE’S BEING KIDNAPPED BY RAVANA, LORD KRISHNA’S DEATH BEING CAUSED BY THE ARROW OF A HUNTER, THAKURA HARIDASA’S BEING CANED IN 22 MARKET OR LORD JESUS CHRIST BEING CRUCIFIED ARE ALL ACTS OF THE LORD PERSONALLY. WE CANNOT ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES OF SUCH INCIDENCES. SOMETIMES THEY ARE ENACTED TO BEWILDER PERSONS WHO DEMONS. You should therefore discuss in the Istagosthi from current reading matters from B.G. or S.B. We should only try to understand everything from the standard of devotional service. It is stated clearly in the B.G. that any one who is cent per cent engaged in the service of the Lord is transcendentally situated and the influence of Maya has no more any action on such body. THE LORD AND HIS PURE DEVOTEES ARE ALWAYS BEYOND THE RANGE OF MAYA’S ACTION. EVEN THOUGH THEY APPEAR LIKE ACTION OF MAYA, WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THEIR ACTION OF YOGAMAYA OR THE INTERNAL POTENCY OF THE LORD.
Bg 16.4 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
dambho darpo ‘bhimanas ca
krodhah parusyam eva ca
ajnanam cabhijatasya
partha sampadam asurim
SYNONYMS
dambhah–pride; darpah–arrogance; abhimanah–conceit; ca–and; krodhah–anger; parusyam–harshness; eva–certainly; ca–and; ajnanam–ignorance; ca–and; abhijatasya–one who is born of; partha–O son of Prtha; sampadam–nature; asurim–demoniac.
TRANSLATION
ARROGANCE, PRIDE, ANGER, CONCEIT, HARSHNESS AND IGNORANCE–these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha.
PURPORT
In this verse, the royal road to HELL is described. THE DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities.
Bg 16.10 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.
PURPORT
THE DEMONIAC MENTALITY IS DESCRIBED HERE. THE DEMONS LUST IS NEVER SATIATED. THEY WILL GO ON INCREASING AND INCREASING THEIR INSATIABLE DESIRES FOR MATERIAL ENJOYMENT.
SB 4.28.48 P Puranjana Becomes a Woman in the Next Life
Whenever an acarya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the acarya’s duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYA DISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON. Actually, human life is meant for executing the orders of the Supreme Lord, and this is stated in Bhagavad-gita (9.34):
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaisyasi yuktvaivam
atmanam mat-parayanah
“Engage your mind always in thinking of Me and become My devotee. Offer obeisances and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me.”
The main business of human society is to think of the Supreme Personality of Godhead at all times, to become His devotees, to worship the Supreme Lord and to bow down before Him. The acarya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acarya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the spiritual master. At the present moment practically the entire world is afraid of rogues and nondevotees; therefore this Krsna consciousness movement is started to save the world from irreligious principles. Everyone should cooperate with this movement in order to bring about actual peace and happiness in the world.
Iso 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–AND KRSNA’S STATEMENT IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA (4.2) EVAM PARAMPARA-PRAPTAM, “THIS SUPREME SCIENCE OF GOD IS RECEIVED THROUGH THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Bg 16.19 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
tan aham dvisatah kruran
samsaresu naradhaman
ksipamy ajasram asubhan
asurisv eva yonisu
TRANSLATION
Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, ARE CAST BY ME INTO THE OCEAN OF MATERIAL EXISTENCE, INTO VARIOUS DEMONIAC SPECIES OF LIFE.
PURPORT
In this verse it is clearly indicated that the placing of a particular individual soul in a particular body is the prerogative of the supreme will. The demoniac person may not agree to accept the supremacy of the Lord, and it is a fact that he may act according to his own whims, BUT HIS NEXT BIRTH WILL DEPEND UPON THE DECISION OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD AND NOT ON HIMSELF. IN THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM, THIRD CANTO, IT IS STATED THAT AN INDIVIDUAL SOUL, AFTER HIS DEATH, IS PUT INTO THE WOMB OF A MOTHER WHERE HE GETS A PARTICULAR TYPE OF BODY UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF SUPERIOR POWER. THEREFORE IN THE MATERIAL EXISTENCE WE FIND SO MANY SPECIES OF LIFE–ANIMALS, INSECTS, MEN, AND SO ON. All are arranged by the superior power. They are not accidental. As for the demoniac, it is clearly said here that they are perpetually put into the wombs of demons, and thus they continue to be envious, the lowest of mankind. Such demoniac species of life are held to be always full of lust, always violent and hateful and always unclean. They are just like so many beasts in a jungle.
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brahmana and thereby pollute your whole family. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
751005mw.mau Conversations
Indian man (4): Swamiji, it has been said just as we act… We take birth according to our action. So if we have done something we must take birth according to the law of God.
Prabhupada: You must take birth. That is a fact. You cannot avoid it. But according to your karma you have to take birth.
Indian man (4): This means that you pay what you have wrote. Yes, eh? Therefore do you think that…
Prabhupada: Suppose when your, this shirt is torn, you have to purchase one shirt. Now, that shirt you have to purchase according to your price. If you have good price, then you get a good shirt. If you have no money, then you get a bad shirt. That’s all.
Indian man (4): I wanted to say this, Swamiji, that hell also is situated in this world itself, because where do you think that we can pay our debt?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Indian man (4): The sin, the debt of our sin. Where do you think that we pay it? In the hell, which is not…
Prabhupada: Hell is the place for your punishment.
Indian man (4): Therefore it is on the earth itself.
Prabhupada: Why earth?
Indian man (4): In the planet earth, no?
Prabhupada: No. It can be…
Indian man (4): In any planets?
Prabhupada: …many millions miles away.
Indian man (4): But it is not locate… Only hell is located in one place or a prada(?) is located in another place? Do you think so, Swamiji?
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. There are different planets.
Indian man (4): There are many people who suffer in this world itself.
Prabhupada: SO THEY ARE FIRST OF ALL TRAINED UP IN THAT HELLISH PLANET AND THEN THEY COME HERE TO SUFFER THE SAME STANDARD OF LIFE.
Indian man (4): When our soul gets out from our body, it goes to the hell or…
Prabhupada: Hellish planet.
Indian: …hemisphere or it take birth immediately afterwards?
Prabhupada: YES. THOSE WHO ARE SINFUL, THEY DO NOT TAKE IMMEDIATELY BIRTH. THEY FIRST OF ALL TRAINED UP IN THE HELLISH PLANET HOW TO SUFFER TO BECOME ACCUSTOMED AND THEN THEY ARE TAKEN BIRTH, THEN SUFFER. Just like you pass I.A.S. Then you become an assistant to the magistrate. You learn. Then you are posted as magistrate. Even if you are fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, you are first of all transferred to the universe where Krsna is now present, and there you become accustomed. Then you go to real Vrndavana.
SB 3.30.34 P Description by Lord Kapila of Adverse Fruitive Activities
Just as a prisoner, who has undergone troublesome prison life, is set free again, THE PERSON WHO HAS ALWAYS ENGAGED IN IMPIOUS AND MISCHIEVOUS ACTIVITIES IS PUT INTO HELLISH CONDITIONS, AND WHEN HE HAS UNDERGONE DIFFERENT HELLISH LIVES, NAMELY THOSE OF LOWER ANIMALS LIKE CATS, DOGS AND HOGS, BY THE GRADUAL PROCESS OF EVOLUTION HE AGAIN COMES BACK AS A HUMAN BEING.
Meanwhile…
ISKCON Bangalore’s spokesman and professional LIAR responds:
krishna1008 December 24, 2015 at 4:11 PM
[PADA: So now we are making good progress. Prahlad finally admits that the person he said to me is his great pal and associate Mukunda is making “100s of pro-hitler posts” and that was our main point, Prahlad originally told me he is working with Mukunda. And Prahlad’s name is also cited NOW on Mukunda’s site as a contributor. Prahlad seems to have forgot, he told me at the start of all this that he thought Mukunda’s Illuminati / Hitler / Stalin sites are great because “its getting lots of hits.” And Prahlad has been promoting the Bhakta das video link made by Mukunda. Prahlad also lifted a huge chunk of Hari Sauri’s writings and posted that on his blog. And now he says, the people he has been promoting are pro-Hitler neo nazis nut bags who are ruining Lord Chaitanya’s movement, which is what we said at the start of all this. And a number of the HKC JAIPUR folks were then all sending me links to Prahlad’s site, where they were promoting the BHAKTA DAS VIDEO and Hari sauri’s writings, apparently because they accepted Prahlad as their advisor. And in fact they told me they accepted Prahlad as their advisor. If Prahlad now knows that the people he is promoting are pro-Hitler, pro-Radhanath, and pro-Bhavananda, why has he been promoting them? And why has he dragged HKC Jaipur into his promoting of all this nonsense? Prahlad is now saying what we said at the start of all this, the people he is promoting are pro-Hitler / pro-Bhakta das etc? Why not admit, this is a mistake, and get the HKC people to realize they were implicated in Prahlad’s mistake, and move on from there? So not only we were not lying, Prahlad now admits we were right all along? So if we want unity, why not admit, PADA had this right all along, so lets work together with PADA and reject Hitler-ism / Bhakta das / Hari Sauri and etc. and move forward? What is the hold up? ys pd]
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/12/dayalu-nitai-jaipur-for-truth-update.html
I plead at the feet of any sincere Prabhupadanugas reading this forum to stand up against these snakes in our midst, expose them, and neglect them. Then only can we begin to have any hope of unity for the service of Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Please also think about the future generations. What kind of ‘Hare Krishna’ movement will be available to them if we do nothing to protect it now.?
Hare Krsna, dear Prabhus!
I would like to say my opinion but I would not like another debate
I think to form an opinion easy in connection with the bogus gurus. In any other case everyone should be more and more careful. Perhaps we do not know every information.
Remember Bali Maharaj.
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„The Supreme Personality of Godhead is known asbhāva-grāhī janārdana because He takes only the essence of a devotee’s attitude. If a devotee sincerely surrenders, the Lord, as the Supersoul in everyone’s heart, immediately understands this. Thus even though, externally, a devotee may not render full service, if he is internally sincere and serious the Lord welcomes his service nonetheless. Thus the Lord is known as bhāva-grāhī janārdana because He takes the essence of one’s devotional mentality.+ SB.8.23.2.
I can not read Puranjana Prabhu’s writings because of his style but sometimes I find useful things. I read his life and I try to understand him and his followers. If somones’s child or wife is raped or similar, one will feel helpless pain.
Otherwise I read Mahesh Raja Prabhu’s many-many writings (articles). Those are perfect. He is an intelligent devotee.
Yes, we commit mistakes therefore we accept only pure devotee Guru Srila Prabhupada.
The Lord „.takes only the essence of a devotee’s attitude”.
From: Mahesh Raja
To: Dayalu Nitai Das ; Raghava Pandit Das
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Sent: Saturday, 26 December 2015, 15:44
Subject: Cooperation between Dayalu Nitai Prabhu (HKC folks) and Madhu Pandit Prabhu (ISKCON Bangalore folks)
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
Thank-you very much for your email.
>What else can I do ?
The prefix CO in the word “cooperation” means TWO. There has to be a MUTUAL basis of cooperation between BOTH parties. The mediation can ONLY come IF BOTH parties AGREE to have that person/ those persons as mediator/s.
There has been a lot of UNITY talk among Prabhupadanugas between Mahatma das and others on this issue but in between they have deleted some emails. Unfortunately, your supporter Prahlad das is not congenial to the discussion. It is best you put your views without Prahlad das to these folks and let us see the response. I have re-entered the CC who the discussion with Mahatma das was with in regards to Cooperation. All the discussion points are addressed below. Krsna is SEEING ALL OUR ACTIVITES – WHO is cooperating and who is NOT. Lord Krsna is the witness:
Note: uparala dekhega(?): the Hindi is mistranslated. It should be UPPER WALA DEKHEGA “GOD WILL SEE.”
741008SB.MAY Lectures
So parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate. He is so omnipotent that He can see from anywhere and everywhere what you are doing, what you are willing, what you want to do. You cannot conceal. That is not possible. Therefore it is said, daiva-netrena. You can bluff the material police, but you cannot bluff Krsna. That is not possible. IF YOU ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, THEN IT IS BEING SEEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY. SAMAM CARANTAM. HE’S EVERYWHERE. Therefore those who are God conscious, as theists… That is the Indian culture. They think, “I am doing this nonsense. Krsna, God, will see it.” Even a… Even in ordinary person who has no education, still, he will admit, uparala dekhega(?): “GOD WILL SEE.” That’s a fact. That’s a fact. SO IF EVERYONE IS GOD CONSCIOUS, THAT “GOD IS EVERYWHERE,” THEN HOW HE CAN ACT SINFULLY? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. If he is God conscious, if he knows that “God is everywhere, and He will see if I do something sinful by bluffing others…”
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
From: Dayalu Nitai Das
To: Mahesh Raja ; Raghava Pandit Das
Sent: Saturday, 26 December 2015, 6:03
Subject: Re: Bhakta das
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my humble obeisances.
Thanks for the nice inspirational quotes of Srila Prabhupada.
As you know I have already written to MPP and CPP and even to IB GBC to hold an istagosthi to discuss all the issues in the light of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings but there was no concrete response. Now also I am ready to meet MPP but if he is too busy or does not want to meet due to whatever reason then I am ready to meet CPP and even if he is also too busy then I am ready to meet even the local temple President in Jaipur who is just 30 minutes drive from our place.If he feels inhibited to come to our centre due to whatever reason I am ready to go to his centre at his time. I have already written to him in this regard but there has been no response from his side. What else can I do ?
If some senior devotees like your good self who are concerned about co-operation between HKC and IB group can mediate to organize an istagoshti with any representative of IB group, I am ready to meet them. I am sure if we meet and discuss the issues with the consciousness of “trandapi sunicena …” (obviously remaining within the framework of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings) then something good will surely come out.
Not only you I will also write to all senior Prabhupadanugas who are concerned about co-operation to help in organizing this istagoshti with IB group. Thank you very much.
your servant (in the service of original unadulterated instructions of Srila Prabhupada),
Dayalu Nitai Das.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Mahesh Raja wrote:
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
Thank-you very much for your quick reply.
I actually wanted to FIND OUT the TRUTH. What happened was there was a email that I had been sent. This was NOT from Puranjana. Neither do I wish to divulge who from as it gets messy. I cut and paste just THAT small PART of it on Bhakta das involvement with you on http://www.Prabhupadanugas.eu
The idea was to ASCERTAIN the TRUTH.
However, Just to shed more light on it IF this was true OR not depended on my acting as “devils advocate” to churn up the truth. The rest of debate is history.
You say:
“Also I think that there was some talk about cooperation between Prabhupadanugas, earlier also I (on behalf of HKC devotees) was fully in favour of it and now also I am fully for it. Whatever is required like forming a committee or talking to IB group, even if it requires going to their place. Even if MPP is very busy, I can talk to CPP at his time at his place. I mean to say I am ready to do anything for co-operation if it pleases Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples (my respectable Godbrothers).”
I have to say this, that we ALL have BIG FAT egos – THIS is WHY we are IN this material world–in the first place. We all clash with each other. Yes – things have happened in the past that are sour between different devotees BUT at the end of the day if one WANTS to get OUT of the Jail of material world then it is by PLEASING Srila Prabhupada ONLY. There is—- NO ALTERNATIVE: “So try to organize things and preach TOGETHER in this spirit, AND THAT WILL PLEASE ME VERY, VERY MUCH
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
750712SB.PHI Lectures
Prabhupada: YES. THIS IS THE ORDER. GURU-MUKHA-PADMA-VAKYA, cittete koriya aikya. Now citta means consciousness or heart. “I SHALL DO THIS ONLY, BAS. MY GURU MAHARAJA TOLD ME; I SHALL DO THIS.” Cittete koriya aikya, ar na koriho mane asa. So it is not my pride, but I can say, for your instruction, I did it. Therefore whatever little success you see than my all my Godbrothers, it is due to this. I have no capacity, but I took it, the words of my guru, as life and soul. So this is fact. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya. EVERYONE SHOULD DO THAT. But if he makes addition, alteration, then he is finished.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
From: Dayalu Nitai Das
To: Mahesh Raja
Cc: Raghava Pandit Das
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2015, 13:57
Subject: Re: Bhakta das
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.
What to speak of taking donation, I do not even know how he (Bhakta Dasa) looks like (as I have never even seen his photograph what to speak of meeting him in person). I do not even know his profile neither I have had any interaction with him online. I have just heard about this name from some other devotees who keep telling me that Puranjan Das (Tim Lee) is trying to associate me and HKC with Bhakta Dasa and some other names which I do not even remember now.
Anyway, you will be happy to know that after lot of efforts finally we (Hare Krishna Village) are moving towards a full fledged Varnasrama Community working as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and instructions. Already around 40-50 devotees are living there as brahamcharis, grihasthas & vanprasthas and everyone is working either as a brahmin, Ksatriya, Vaisya or Sudra co-operatively for the service of the Lord. Since this is daivi Varnasrama these devotees are just playing these roles but most of them except some Vaisya Community devotees are chanting 16 rounds and following other rules given by Srila Prabhupada.Some standard of K.C (like chanting 4-5 rounds and following some rules) are even being followed by the employees (sudras) here.
Now our gurukul has 2 children from Russia, and 2 more are coming from Germany in March,one boy who is a son of a big politician in this area has also joined our Varnasrama College recently which has become a big news amongst local people here.
By the grace of Srila Prabhupada, now we also have 2 customized bullock carts which are going in nearby villages (packed up with our devotees) doing Harinam and distributing prasadam etc.This is having a great effect on the villagers and the media (T.V and newspaper) is also covering it very favorably which is making the people more inclined to accept K.C philosophy.
We are also utilizing the bulls for transportation, sankirtan, running some chara (cow fodder) cutting and grinding machines, agriculture etc. This is all being done by Vaisya Community devotees who are also trading many products like Organic Jaggery, Go-Ark, Ghee, milk from our Goshala etc. which is all being manufactured here with the help of some local villagers who are employed as sudras by these Vaisya devotees. These vaisya devotees are being managed and being provided all resources by ksatriya devotees and the vaisya devotees are giving 25% of their income as tax to ksatriyas as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Brahmin devotees are teaching and guiding the ksatriya devotees. Matajajis are cooking, stiching,taking care of small children and training other matajis in chastity, cooking and cleanliness and everyone is chanting Hare Krishna and worshiping Srila Prabhupada as their spiritual master.Everyone is also going through the Bhakti Shastri course where exams are conducted on the original books of Srila Prabhupada. This way everyone is studying Srila Prabhupada’s books seriously and except a few everyone is scoring very high in all the tests. This is one of Srila Prabhupada’s desire which we are trying to execute here exactly as he has instructed. Bhakti Shastri course as per Srila Prabhupada’s desire and extensively studying Srila Prabhupada’s books and are scoring very good marks etc. etc.
ALL THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE !!!
Some senior devotees like Prahlad Prabhu from England and Mathura Pati Prabhu from Germany visit almost every year here with other devotees and stay sometimes for months together. Other senior Prabhupadanugas like Kansahanta Prabhu (U.K), Gauri Das Pandit Prabhu (U.S), Sunder Gopal Prabhu (Singapore) and Gokul Chand Prabhu (NZ), Prahlad Bhakta Prabhu (Pond., India) have visited once and are likely to visit again on the coming Gaur Poornima with many other foreign devotees for the Prabhupadanugas festival. These devotees can share their first hand experience with other devotees around the world for their pleasure, guidance and support.
For other Prabhupadanuga devotees who may not be able to visit here , I will soon be putting up a documentry film (which we will keep updating as things improve here – hopefully – by Krishna’s grace and the blessings and support of Prabhupadanuga devotees around the world) on http://www.Prabhupadanugas.eu and other sites and also send it to them. This documentry will have Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on Varnashrama and how these instructions are being practically implemented here. This we will show with the help of photographs, video clips, interviews of devotees staying here etc..
We will also put our future plans as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions in this documentry film for the pleasure and guidance of all Prabhupadanugas. We will welcome any advise or constructive criticism based on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions and will try to improve or set things right if we are going wrong anywhere.
I and other devotees were very busy in getting this whole thing together to the current stage (which miraculously came to the present stage in just last 6 months which in normal course would have taken years). Since I was very busy therefore I did not get time to check my facebook or e-mail accounts or other comments on the internet.
Now, also Raghav Pandit Prabhu (full time senior brahamchari and secretary at HKC) told me to check my mail box and some threads on facebook since there is some confusion/discussion going on amongst senior Prabhupadanugas regarding Tim Lees comments and my not being present on the internet (on behalf of HKC) to answer them, Co-opeartion between IB group and HKC, Importance of Varnashrama etc.
So, I have answered some things regarding activities of HKC going on here with respect to Varnashrama. Obviously youth preaching, book distribution etc. is going in full swing in Jaipur under the guidance of Raghav Pandit Prabhu. Now the boys who are coming in contact with us have many options to live with the devotees as Brhmanas, Ksatriyas or Vaisyas and can choose whatever ashrama is suitable for them. “Sthane Sthithe Shruti Gatam”. They are not dependent on the temple for their livelihood. Otherwise mostly Iskcon and other groups have just one option that become brahamchari or if you cannot remain brahamchari then get married and everyone collect donations to run the temple or take salary or remuneration if not inspired otherwise to collect donations.So those boys/devotees who do not feel inspired or cannot fit in this profile are dragged to work for karmis for their livelihood who make them work so hard and with no devotee association there K.C life gets finished and their children are also sent to these karmi schools (slaughterhouses) but with this Varnashram model anyone who wants to live simply and practice K.C can come, that is what we are experiencing here. Even their children are growing up in this K.C atmosphere and getting trained in gurukul so a whole next generation of devotees is being created and they are being saved from going to slaughterhouses of this modern education system.It is really wonderfull!!
Also I think that there was some talk about cooperation between Prabhupadanugas, earlier also I (on behalf of HKC devotees) was fully in favour of it and now also I am fully for it. Whatever is required like forming a committee or talking to IB group, even if it requires going to their place. Even if MPP is very busy, I can talk to CPP at his time at his place. I mean to say I am ready to do anything for co-operation if it pleases Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples (my respectable Godbrothers).
l will personally also check out more things on http://www.prabhuadanugas.eu and with other devotees and answer them as and when I get time.For the time being I can only say that there is nothing to worry rather there are many things to feel joyful about as many of Srila Prabhupada’s desires regarding establishing Varnashrama Communiites is coming true. This is just a small endeavor here and an example which will trigger off many such communities all over the world. Here many of the Varnasharma College boys who are being trained up nicely are capable of establishing such communities once their training is completed.
I am sending a copy of this reply to Raghav Pandit Prabhu also who is in Jaipur (I am at Hare Krishna Village currently which is around 70-80 Kms. from Jaipur) so that he can remain updated and answer queries of other devotees in case I am not available due to some urgent services going on here.
I will be at your service to clear any of your doubts.
your servant (in the service of Srila Prabhupada’s original unadulterated instructions),
Dayalu Nitai Das.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Mahesh Raja wrote:
Dear Dayalu Nitai Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
Can you please answer the following:
Did Bhakta das ever give you a donation?
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
I have just received email someone was concerned. This is to clarify what I said and WHY I said it:
Just to give a clear picture WHAT is happening and WHY I stated this to Dayalu Nitai Prabhu:
“Unfortunately, your supporter Prahlad das is not congenial to the discussion. It is best you put your views without Prahlad das to these folks and let us see the response. I have re-entered the CC who the discussion with Mahatma das was with in regards to Cooperation.”
They DELETED Prahlad from the thread of ALL the emails exchange. WHY? because he has a very IMMATURE attitude IN DEALING WITH DEVOTEES. They will NOT take it.
IF HKC was to go with him for peace talks with BI folks they will NOT have him. Otherwise WHY would they DELETE him?
I was ALSO on SAME email thread and I SAW how he was dealing.
Some say he defends HKC. That “defend” of HKC can be COUNTER PRODUCTIVE for HKC. You have to KNOW how to WIN the devotees OVER to YOUR side without making them ENEMIES.
Just LOOK at Prahlad’s ATTITUDE with Amar and then THINK!!! Is this HOW you deal with devotees. Then THINK if Dayalu Nitai goes to BI camp with Prahlad with peace talks WHAT is going happen THERE. You have to THINK very very very CAREFULLY. This is BIG chance to COOPERATE. NOW the ball IS on the BI folks Court. Do NOT screw it up:
Here is what Amar said to Prahlad: ” STOP writing LIES.”
My answer is ; ” YES. IT LOOKS LIKE. I can only get after them once I know any progress if any made in this connection from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu which all of US are anxiously awaiting for. UNFORTUNATELY, your SENSELESS and USELESS comments as a LIES referred above create DISTORTION. That is why I ask you to STOP writing NON SENSE.
Actually, who are you Amar? And what is your seva for Prabhupada’s mission? Please let the devotees know.
MY answer is that Amar is a CONDITIONED JIVA who is trying very hard to take shelter in the lotus feet of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and His sincere dedicated followers serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
NOW please please please STOP writing LIES.
Ps. I have nothing against Prahlad das. No offense intended to him – at all. On the contrary, I think he should be there with HKC devotees in Jaipur for PERMANENT that will be VERY good association of Dayalu Nitai Prabhu. He will UNDERSTAND how to deal with devotees when it is on DAILY basis. Dayalu Nitai Prabhu has the proper etiquette:
Dayalu Nitai Prabhu: I am sure if we meet and discuss the issues with the consciousness of “trandapi sunicena …” (obviously remaining within the framework of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings) then something good will surely come out.
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Hare Krishna.
I was not an active participant in the ‘Srila Prabhupada Warns Us’ eMail thread Mahesh is talking about. Padmagharba Das added me to CC because it was something he copy/pasted from a FaceBook post i had made the previous day.>>
Words of warning to those Prabhupadanugas who visit ISKCON GBC-controlled temples:
‘Religious principles have certainly been violated in this assembly. One should not remain for even a moment in a place where irreligion is flourishing. A wise person should not enter an assembly if he knows the participants there are committing acts of impropriety. And if, having entered such an assembly, he fails to speak the truth, speaks falsely or pleads ignorance, he will certainly incur sin.’ (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.44.9-10)
Anyway, I noticed a comment from PADA there.>>
On Dec 21, 2015, at 5:20 AM, tim lee wrote:
“As for the Jaipur people, they keep saying they want to rectify all of our differences, but all they do is promote people like Mukunda and Prahlad, the guys who are sending out photos of Hitler, Stalin, Nelson Mandela and other folks in their complex scheme of New World Order nonsense which has nothing to do with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. They are deviating by adding all this nonsense to the process given by the acharyas. I have explained this (again) herein: krishna1008: Dayalu Nitai / Jaipur For Truth Update ys pd”
Nobody was countering this false statement, and i noticed that no-one from HKC Jaipur was included in the thread, so i added Dayalu Nitai & Raghav Pandit prabhus (HKC) to the CC and commented thus>>
USUAL POISONOUS LIES FROM TIM LEE!
Please read the comments in this link and share the link to see how Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is DESTROYING any hope of UNITY amongst the Prabhupadanugas:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42140
…end comment…
In fact, I do not participate in ANY eMail threads. I only use FaceBook, my blog and occasionally this forum to speak the TRUTH in defence of Prabhupada’s sincere followers.
It is very surprising to me that no-one EVER complains about Tim Lee who is posting today in eMail threads, FaceBook, Twitter and on his various websites & blogs, this:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.in/2015/12/dayalu-nitai-hkc-jaipur-letter-on.html
[PADA: At the same time, the problem we were having with HKC Jaipur seems to be dwindling down to almost nil, since they recently announced that PADA was right the whole while, they have been promoting Kali Chelas into the vaishnava community and creating an unwarranted disturbance and artificial schism for no good reason. Good admission. They should try to work out their differences and move on, we need to save the conditioned souls and forget about these Kali Chelas who are promoting Hitler etc.]
PADA is now claiming victory over HKC and myself that we have finally stopped doing all the things that we NEVER did in the first place. They were all his LIES and DELUSIONS. I have NEVER promoted Hari Sauri, Radhanath, Bhakta Das or any other bogus persons. I am a Prabhupada only man for 28 years. The only thing i know about Bhakta Das is what i have read on PADA’s blog about him, so there is every chance that they are also lies. As for Radhanath , i have denounced him in public FB posts for many years.
And let it go down on record that Mahesh was unable to provide repeatedly requested evidence for his statements such as:
Mahesh says>> “Your HKC has been infiltrated by Bhakta dasa who promotes ISKCON GBC and Radha nath, and also Hari Sauri and others who you people glorify. This is common knowledge. As you yourself ADMIT you do not like me to criticise them… Yes you are upset because you SUPPORT them.”
Nor has he retracted such statements. Yet today on this forum he wrote>>
“I am NOT going to take side of EITHER the BI OR HKC.”
[private conversation quote snipped by webmaster]
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I have had enough. I am tired of all this opression and nonsense from supposed Vaishavas. I have tried my best. I can see that I am only wasting my time…
Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna, Prahlad Prabhu.
Please don’t feel discouraged. I have heard you.
His Holiness Sri PADA-acarya is still implying that you’re responsible for murder:
“Prahlad is promoting the same exact people Sulochana said would get him killed and apparently — did get him killed, and your HKC folks are promoting the same Prahlad? Why are we working hand in glove with the same people Sulochana said — are trying to get him killed? And won’t that get more of us killed? And is this the plan? Or what?”
This situation is atrocious and this man is very sinful at heart to even think of such things, what to speak of repeatedly promoting them online. It is an outrage to all decent men and women.
What a shame because otherwise the man can really write well, and he is even funny sometimes the way he can expose the bogus gurus. But he spoils it all by attacking the sincere Vaisnavas, those who somehow threaten his supreme dominion over the ritviks. If someone could get him to switch off his bad side, he could be a great asset for the true Prabhupadanuga cause. The problem is that he has no humility. He will not listen to anyone except perhaps his masters whoever they are behind the scenes. As I said before, better to ignore the man and just go about your own business in Prabhupada’s service. If he was really on team Prabhupada, and everyone could work together, the GBC “gurus” could be brought down almost overnight. But this guy sows division, hatred and disharmony wherever he goes with his, yes, “poison pen.” But he will never ever admit it, so it’s a lost cause.
Anyway, there are many sincere souls outside the purview of this man’s reach. Go there and share what you have to give. Krishna will bless you and reward you. Forget about being accepted by anyone here. The ground is not fertile, the egos are too big or the personalities are compromised and thus their hands are tied and they cannot or will not say anything in your defense. Never mind. You don’t want to be popular in a land of fools or sycophants anyway. Carry on, Prabhupada’s soldier. The true followers of His Divine Grace have a very bright future ahead.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Mahesh,
This same attitude you feel with Prahlad mis-respresenting HKC for these peace talks is the same feeling the entire Prabhupadanuga community feels about Tim lee representing Bangalore in ANY fashion whatsoever, his lack of etiquette and insane ramblings have turned the Prabhupadanugas into a laughing stock. Can you understand this point at all?
I second the motion.
Janardana Prabhu, I FULLY understand the situation. I have stated this before they are in a LOOP but the issue NOW is COOPERATION it is up to BOTH sides IF they want this AS PER SRILA PRABHUPADA’S ORDER and HOW they want to approach it. THIS is as far as I go. Let me make this VERY clear: I am NOT going to take side of EITHER the BI OR HKC. They are quite competent to deal with this NOW. We discussed the details of co-operation from Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. This has given us ALL a good insight of what should be done. However, BOTH parties have to make their OWN decision. I wish them BOTH well. I appreciate that BOTH the parties doing better then me in many ways to serve Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
From practical point of view:
South Africa they had reconciliation and these folks were MATERIALISTS yet they have achieved something CREDIBLE without bloodshed. Otherwise transfer of power would have been a horrific. And —-our lot HKC and IB folks have got Srila Prabhupada’s instructions YET they can NOT have unity. Just think! These ORDINARY folks who are MEAT-EATERS have managed to get unity and those who have got Srila Prabhupada’s INSTRUCTIONS—– are quarreling among themselves are still DEBATING on unity.
Kali-yuga – age of quarrel and hypocrisy.
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Prabhupada: “Similarly, anger can be controlled. We cannot stop anger altogether, but if we simply become angry with those who blaspheme the Lord or the devotees of the Lord, we control our anger in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu became angry with the miscreant brothers Jagāi and Mādhāi, who blasphemed and struck Nityānanda Prabhu. In His Śikṣāṣṭaka Lord Caitanya wrote, tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā: “One should be humbler than the grass and more tolerant than the tree.” One may then ask why the Lord exhibited His anger. The point is that one should be ready to tolerate all insults to one’s own self, but when Kṛṣṇa or His pure devotee is blasphemed, a genuine devotee becomes angry and acts like fire against the offenders. Krodha, anger, cannot be stopped, but it can be applied rightly. It was in anger that Hanumān set fire to Laṅkā, but he is worshiped as the greatest devotee of Lord Rāmacandra. This means that he utilized his anger in the right way. Arjuna serves as another example. He was not willing to fight, but Kṛṣṇa incited his anger: “You must fight!” To fight without anger is not possible. Anger is controlled, however, when utilized in the service of the Lord.” (Nectar Of Instruction 1. purport)
Hare Krsna. Please consider my previous post about your comments directed towards Amar Puri Prabhu. Thank you.
Prahlad das:I was not an active participant in the ‘Srila Prabhupada Warns Us’ eMail thread Mahesh is talking about. Padmagharba Das added me to CC because it was something he copy/pasted from a FaceBook post i had made the previous day.>>
Mahesh: You were not a active participant yet you ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED by RESPONDING to Puranjana. The PROOF that you ACTIVELY RESPONDED to Puranjana is in THOSE emails thread.
When you speak lies in public forum you get found out. You say Puranjana lies BUT how does that make YOU any different?
That FACT that you RESPONDED ACTIVELY to Puranjana is in the EMAIL EXCHANGE. The Webmaster can just ask those people on email thread below for evidence and you are TRAPPED that you LIED:
Mario Pineda
Anuttama devi dasi , chris burke , “brahmabhuta@hotmail.com” , “rgswami108@yahoo.com” , Cayetano Rodriguez , “Madhusudan Murari Das.” , NEWJAIPUR DAS , Vidura Mahatma Das , devaki dasa , Bharatarshabha Dasa , paul freeman , Gordhan Goyani , Guillermo Castro , jitarati Prabhu , Joseph Langevin , Sophia Kuyt , Oṁkāra Dāsa , Naveen Khurana , Krishna das , 1884422 , Madhava Nanda , Nimai Pandit , chandra dasa , Rakesh Sharma , David Wolf , Chanchalapathi Dasa , Madhu Pandit Dasa , Madhu Pandit Das , Gauridasa Pandita , Padmagarbha dasa
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Consider also Amar’s point:
Here is what Amar said to Prahlad: ” STOP writing LIES.”:
Amar:
“My answer is ; ” YES. IT LOOKS LIKE. I can only get after them once I know any progress if any made in this connection from Dayalu Nitai Prabhu which all of US are anxiously awaiting for. UNFORTUNATELY, your SENSELESS and USELESS comments as a LIES referred above create DISTORTION. That is why I ask you to STOP writing NON SENSE.
Actually, who are you Amar? And what is your seva for Prabhupada’s mission? Please let the devotees know.
MY answer is that Amar is a CONDITIONED JIVA who is trying very hard to take shelter in the lotus feet of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada and His sincere dedicated followers serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
NOW please please please STOP writing LIES.”
Mahesh.
Your childish nit-picking is only making you look desperate and foolish because i have already admitted to my one and only participation in that one eMail thread.:>>
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Nobody was countering this false statement, and i noticed that no-one from HKC Jaipur was included in the thread, so i added Dayalu Nitai & Raghav Pandit prabhus (HKC) to the CC and commented thus>>
USUAL POISONOUS LIES FROM TIM LEE!
Please read the comments in this link and share the link to see how Tim Lee (Puranjana/PADA/krishna1008) is DESTROYING any hope of UNITY amongst the Prabhupadanugas:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42140
…end comment…
Your frantic attempts to discredit me are crystal clear for all devotees to see. Far too blatant. Do you have no shame?
And you have still not provided any EVIDENCE whatsoever for any of the accusations you posted above against HKC and myself.
And i see that your siksha guru Tim Lee has today removed his dozens of articles – demonizing HKC – from his blog. Of course the articles lying about me are still there but they don’t matter.
Please Google ‘hkc jaipur pada’ and see how he is now removing all the evidence that he was LYING all this time. He knows he has finally been EXPOSED. The worst fear of a sociopath.
I would humbly suggest that you stop all your posting on this thread and take time out for some DEEP INTROSPECTION. It is your OWN spiritual progress that is at risk after all. At this time i have no trust of you whatsoever and will no longer respond to you.
Anyway I am very busy and don’t have time for all this oppression, lying, back-biting and duplicity from supposed devotee God-brothers when i am only trying my best to do my duty to Srila Prabhupada and his SINCERE followers.
Hare Krishna. Jaya Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada: “Don’t be disappointed. Kṛṣṇa will act through His movement and kill them, these demons. How it will be done, that you cannot know now, but it will be done. Let us remain true soldiers. That’s all. And if it is a fight, suppose we die in the fight. The fight means with vow, with determination either to gain victory or die. Because it is fight against māyā, why we shall be afraid of being killed? Where there is fight, one must know that “Either I am going to be killed or gain victory.” Jīvo vā māro vā. Those who are devotees, either they live or they die—the same thing. While they live they are serving Kṛṣṇa; when they die they will serve Kṛṣṇa. Jīvo vā māro vā. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti (BG 4.9). He goes to Kṛṣṇa. (laughs) So what is the loss? We are working for Kṛṣṇa, and if we die we go to Kṛṣṇa. So what is the loss? Same business.” (Evening Darsana. February 15, 1977, Mayapura)
Haribol Prabhus,
I have no personal involvement with these issues or personalities, so I will butt out of this discussion. My only gripe is that I have personal experience with three good friends who PADA has offended and vilified for no reason — just because he didn’t like them or some trivial thing. He relentlessly attacked them over and over like a vicious pit bull. It was totally uncalled for, and so I know that he is an offender of Vaisnavas. That’s why I’m upset and have made a few comments here. Otherwise, as I said, he is a great and often humorous writer. If he would just stop the personal attacks to nice devotees and also tone down his tendency to blow his own horn and claim credit for almost everything under the sun, then he would be much more widely accepted and could attain almost heroic status in the Prabhupadanuga movement. But will he do that? The answer is blowing in the wind. It’s up to him.
One warning to HKC. PADA writes:
“If you want to work things out with MPD, you’ll need to start by taking down all your web sites attacking him and his program.”
How about PADA’s numerous attacks on his website? Is he willing to take them down or retract them?Looks to me like co-operation in PADA’s eyes means that HKC has to surrender to MPD. They may even try to swallow up HKC and kick out the leadership there. That could be the plan judging from PADA’s incessant “divide and conquer” strategy which he exhibits almost every day on his blog. Can the olive branch be trusted? That’s what HKC has to determine for themselves. Good luck!
Thank you for listening. Sorry for any offenses.
Jaya Prabhupada!
Further comments on this article should kindly concentrate on constructively supporting Amar Puri Prabhu’s initative, which was called “Request to the Senior Vaishnavas of Srila Prabhupada for intervention to resolve the conflicts between, MMP – IB, AP Jaipur and Jaipur Devotees Organization and its management Leader DNP”. We already had enough “disagreements”… http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44270
Thank you.
Hare Krishna,Prabhus
All glories to only guru Srila Prabhupada
I was a FOLK student living in Iskcon Bangalore FOLK hostel and I was active with IB from year 2004-2009.
I was not convinced about IB’S vision of srila prabhupada’s desire about movement.Let me tell you IB has the most impressive bhakta program and many intelligent boys are surrendering to serve srila prabhupada, However I did not felt like a mass movement for example, there is no real farm community or cow protection projects around Bangalore, if you visit nearby villages-there is no presence or any attempt to spread krishna consciousness there.
The direction MPP and CPP are heading did not impressed me to join the temple as a devotee, my many friends and classmates have taken ritvik initiation ,some of them are toppers in University and only child of their parents.
One time it was in 2008 I believe MPP was in a class with hostel student in a small classroom and he was giving us the news about his lawyer and about some court issue, He was freaking out about he might going to jail and and he began narrating this story that the deity of Prahlad-Narsimha. He said that the alter door was way smaller to install the newly carved deity and then they began chanting and dancing and a miracle happened, He meant that deity shrank a bit and then they were able to install the deitys inside the alter. I was like this is not the kind of miracles we want it sounded much like a similar hoax of Ganesh drinking milk kind of thing.Anyway he is an IIT-Mumbai graduate, It’s India’s topmost Institution. and he often said he wants to utilize engineering in krishna’s service.
There is one so called go-shala where they have kept a few cows on hare krishna hill in bangalore, I was not pleased by so many things I don;t want to criticize as I don’t have nearly any good qualification or sincerely like him and IB devotees but I am only expressing my reasons not to join them.
At that time many sincere Jaipur devotee boys were serving at Bangalore , I guess all the issues happened after 2009.
So I did not see any exponential growth model or any farm community or cow protection this point alone was the single most important deflecting point for me what I witness was a very much a corporate model.Devotee boys were treated as free slaves,There was big big plans like huge kanakapura road iskcon temple, vrindavan skyscraper where they needed fool worker devotees to join them and complete projects.
I have read many stories of betrayal and cult character of Iskcon and I felt it’s better to be safe than sorry.
For those souls who are sincere in following Srila Prabhupada co-operation is not an issue, it is automatic.
Those who simply make a show of ‘devotion’ to Srila Prabhupada do so with complete indifference to the wishes of Srila Prabhupada and his most sincere followers, this is of course characterized by a Machiavellian sociopathic desire to ‘control’ others, clandestine behavior, excessive emphasis on money collection, philanthropic mundane activities, compromised political affiliations and ‘deals’ with Demonic Multinational Corporations.
The whole idea that such persons who are only motivated by self-interest are ‘miraculously’ going to make such a turnaround on the plea of co-operation is about as naive as it gets.
Don’t hold your breath! I certainly won’t.
If Madhu Pandit is up for co-operation the first thing he should do is get out of Jaipur! Do you think that is going to happen? I don’t think so!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana