Deviations of ISKCON Bangalore: Deviation 1

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1. Bhakta John (Netherland) says:

   22. August 2014 at 8:47 pm

   Hari Bol prabhus.

   MPD and IB has compromised for shake of money and Men.

   This article is simple and straight forward. Hope MPD/IB will soon clarify their stand.

   Yours
   Bhakta John

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2. abhaya carana seva das says:

   23. August 2014 at 8:32 am

   pamho agtACBSP, SHANI JAYANTI KI JAI, if one loose the siddhanta in achieving his goal of life by getting involve in too much sukrti without bhakti the karma and the guna immediately make that person more trapped. Our goal of life is prem puman artho mahan, not a temporary relief through akshaya patra welfare activities, and until we become pure the deviation is always there waiting to make us to pay the karma for not following the instructions of the acharyas properly.

   Many people don’t see the prasadam as the mercy of the lord and others take it to destroy the sins; the perfection of the prasadam is to respect it as ajamila used to do while respecting the mercy of the Lord through the prasadam of the pure holy name. Material wealth through the welfare activities of iskcon can make this deviation even in the only vaikunta embassy remaining on this planet. Of course it’s not nice to hear about that and also about the deviation of hg madhu pandit prabhu i think everything is connected with these two main points due to bad management through the intoxication of dhana sama dama etc…to become puffed up is first class fall down amanitvam get forgotten through the influences of the factor time in the material world which is calling out our future deaths.

   To work hard connected always to the siddhanta by finding out the real reflection must be the goal of our lives without getting too much entagled in humanitary activities because that’s flickring too and stop the spiritual advancement by getting too much profit, therefore one want to enjoy about the sukrti by taking prasadam and chanting Hare Krsna only to destroy the sins and not to achieve love for God this is the global deviation therefore we are not surprise to hear about vaikunta hill deviation as well.

   Everything is polluted in the material world only SRILA PRABHUPADA divyan jnana is pure but they are spoiling that too through bhukti mukti siddhi activities and not bhakti which is the main important ingredient in all our activities in our daily sadhana bhakti yoga. Actually bhakti is a very slow process we already changed so many yantrarudhani mayaya unwanting and rotten body machines,changed so many dimensions kingdoms forms etc…but we are still here in the material world because of this lack of bhakti, therefore everyone should be patient by waiting for that merciful called by our Lordship Lord because we got not power at all to change the wheel of the samsara kalo cakro without that merciful called. The more we are trying to do that without that called, the more we get trapped through deviations as we can hear from this sad article above,anyway just keeping going a step a day take all this rubbish away,agtSP ys haribol

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3. vinod says:

   23. August 2014 at 1:23 pm

   It seems this website is specially made for criticizing Akshay Patra, means a lot of time has been wasted to study and research on akshay patra..Better u chant and do devotional services.I m neither in favour of akshay patra nor in u but I met akshay patra devotees and they never criticized u ……if they are principally wrong they will fall down krishna is looking every thing…..better you concentrate in urself…..by ur blaimings a wrong message is going to people and they are thinking that both organisation are fake as
   u r doing such kind of blaimings.
   If they are wrong , they will fall down, if u r wrong u will fall down…..better do our work well.

   We love to hear the name of KRISHNA and KRISHNA KATHA from you as well as from Akshaypatra and from any one who is taking name of KRISHNA…………HARE KRISHNA

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4. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

   24. August 2014 at 6:55 am

   Mr Vinod,

   It does not concern me what foolish people think about A.P or this website as the whole world is made up of such fools and rascals who are themselves fake anyway, bewildered like yourself by Kali. Devotional service begins with Guru Tattva not simply becoming a mindless, apathetic, Hindu.

   If one devates from Guru Tattva he has already fallen down, a fact that has completely eluded your compromised understanding of the situation. The influence of Kali is always in opposition to Bhakti and those who cheat others should be exposed to protect the innocent. It is the innocent who benefit from these discussions as the fools and rascals of the world are already on the road to hell and have no interest in the truth beying content like yourself with making a show of spiritual life. Those who make a show of spiritual life and those who follow them both go to hell as their chanting the Holy Name of Krishna has the same effect as poison. If there is no Guru Tattva then there is nothing but disturbance, cheating, abuse, fear, greed, anxiety, hypocrisy, ignorance, decay, illusion and envy.

   Daso Smi

   Sudarsana

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5. Bhakta John (Netherland) says:

   24. August 2014 at 8:34 am

   Hari Bol prabhus

   Can anyone who knows the written language in the below link (AP leaflet) translate in English ? It is being promoted by AP Jaipur.

   https://www.dropbox.com/s/68b4q7yxx5sr4ac/AP%20Broucher.jpg

   YOurs
   Bhakta John

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6. Ananny Mouse says:

   24. August 2014 at 9:18 am

   So now [snipped by webmaster] PADA says anyone who posts on this webpage and this webpage are supporters and spokesmen for the GBC. How can anyone take this person seriously, especially Madhu Pandit das?

   ” PADA: Thanks for your question prabhu, why are people opposing Srila Prabhupada having his own temple in Vrndavana like the GBC / HKC / Prahlad / Janardana / Prabhupadanugas eu folks? This is very astonishing if you think about it! We have an India saint, a pure devotee no less, whose whole siddhanta comes from Vrndavana. He loved Vrndavana, he wanted people to come visit Vrndavana, he lived a big part of his life in Vrndavana, and he wanted to build places of Krishna worship in Vrndavana — so that at the very least HIS OWN FOLLOWERS could have a place to visit there.”

   “Yep, how did you guess, some of the GBC’s gurus opposed this plan right from the get go. And now the HKC Jaipura and their spokesman Prahlad / various posters on Prabhupadanugas eu have joined the GBC and also say they oppose the plan of Srila Prabhupada having his own temple in Vrndavana. “

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7. Mahesh Raja says:

   24. August 2014 at 10:27 pm

   ” PADA: Thanks for your question prabhu, why are people opposing Srila Prabhupada having his own temple in Vrndavana like the GBC / HKC / Prahlad / Janardana / Prabhupadanugas eu folks? This is very astonishing if you think about it! We have an India saint, a pure devotee no less, whose whole siddhanta comes from Vrndavana. He loved Vrndavana, he wanted people to come visit Vrndavana, he lived a big part of his life in Vrndavana, and he wanted to build places of Krishna worship in Vrndavana — so that at the very least HIS OWN FOLLOWERS could have a place to visit there.”

   Mahesh: this is EQUALLY a VALID point. The only thing that concerns me is the BIG structures HAVE been under attack before.
   There is TWO ways of looking at the BIG Temple project:

   1) Would Srila Prabhupada want it

   2) What would happen in War

   680817SB.MON Lectures
   So this church building or temple building or mosque building is coming down from time immemorial. People are investing their money, hard-earned money. Why? Uselessly? Nonproductive? No. They do not know. They do not know how much productive that is. Therefore in this godless civilization they have stopped building nice, decorated… IN VRNDAVANA THERE IS A TEMPLE OF GOVINDAJI THAT WAS SEVEN-STORIED. FOUR STORIES WAS BROKEN BY AURANGZEB ON POLITICAL GROUNDS. STILL, THREE STORIES ARE STILL REMAINING. IF SOMEBODY GOES THERE HE’LL SEE HOW WONDERFUL WORKMANSHIP IS THERE IN THAT TEMPLE. So does it mean that those kings or rich men, they were all fools? Simply at the present moment we are very intelligent? No. They are not fools. That is explained in the Prahlada Maharaja’s prayers. Naivatmanah prabhur ayam nija-labha-purno. You cannot satisfy the Supreme Lord by constructing a nice temple, but still He is satisfied. Still, He is satisfied. He is nija-labha-purno. He is fully satisfied in Himself because He has no want. We are in want. SUPPOSE I AM RENTING ONE SMALL APARTMENT. IF SOMEBODY SAYS, “SWAMIJI, COME ON. I SHALL CONSTRUCT A VERY NICE PALATIAL TEMPLE. YOU COME HERE.” OH, I SHALL BE VERY MUCH OBLIGED.

   Madhya 17.86 The Lord Travels to Vrndavana
   This Bindu Madhava is the oldest Visnu temple in Varanasi. Presently this temple is known as Veni Madhava, and it is situated on the banks of the Ganges. Formerly five rivers converged there, and they were named Dhutapapa, Kirana, Sarasvati, Ganga and Yamuna. Now only the River Ganges is visible. THE OLD TEMPLE OF BINDU MADHAVA, WHICH WAS VISITED BY SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU, WAS LATER DISMANTLED BY AURANGZEB, THE GREAT HINDU-HATING EMPEROR OF THE MOGUL DYNASTY. IN THE PLACE OF THIS TEMPLE, HE CONSTRUCTED A BIG MAJIDA, OR MOSQUE. Later, another temple was constructed by the side of the mosque, and this temple is still existing. In the temple of Bindu Madhava there are Deities of four-handed Narayana and the goddess Laksmi. In front of these Deities is a column of Sri Garuda, and along the side are deities of Lord Rama, Sita, Laksmana and Sri Hanumanji.

   Note: the masses of India are very much into BIG set-ups and if they are going to put money into Drinking/cinemas etc best to put into Temple instead. This is one PRO argument. And Srila Prabhupada DID encourage centers.

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   Prabhupada: Yes. This is not possible for us. We welcome. But we must be well organized to utilize these poor souls for becoming first-class devotees. That should be done. Otherwise, sex life and the by-product, that is always troublesome, either you take this way or that way, it is troublesome. If it is not troublesome, why they are killing their own children? To avoid trouble. This is psychology. They want to avoid trouble. But our process is, if you want to avoid trouble, then don’t marry, remain brahmacari. If you cannot, then, all right, have legal wife, get children and raise them very nicely, make them Vaisnavas, take the responsibility. So we are organizing this society, we welcome. Some way or other we shall arrange for shelter. But to take care of the children, to educate them, that will depend on their parents. Now our Pradyumna was complaining that in the Gurukula, his child was not educated to count one, two, three, four. So I have told him that “You educate your child. Let the mother educate in English, and you educate him in Sanskrit.” Who can take care? So similarly every father, mother should take care that in future they may not be a batch of unwanted children. We can welcome hundreds and thousands of children. There is no question of economic problem. We know that. But the father, mother must take care at least. Properly trained up, they should be always engaged. That is brahmacari gurukula. Brahmacari guru-kule vasan danto guror hitam. From the very beginning they should be trained up. From the body, they should be trained up how to take bath, how to chant Hare Krsna or some Vedic mantra, go to the temple, offer obeisances, prayer, then take their lunch… In this way, they should be always engaged. Then they’ll be trained up. Simple thing. We don’t want to train them as big grammarians. No. That is not wanted. That anyone, if he has got some inclination, he can do it personally. There is no harm. General training is that he must be a devotee, a pure devotee of Krsna. That should be introduced. Otherwise, the gurukula will be… Otherwise Jyotirmayi was suggesting the biology. What they’ll do with biology? Don’t introduce unnecessary nonsense things. Simple life. Simply to understand Krsna. Simply let them be convinced that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is our duty to serve Him, that’s all. Huh? (indistinct) What is that? mayar bose, jaccho bhese’ khaccho habudubu bhai jiv krsna-das ei biswas korle to ar duhkho nai. So organize. If you have got sufficient place, sufficient scope, let them be trained up very nicely. IF SOME FOUR, FIVE CENTERS LIKE THIS THERE ARE IN EUROPE, THE WHOLE FACE WILL BE CHANGED. IMPORTANT PLACES LIKE GERMANY, FRANCE, ENGLAND. NOW WE ARE GETTING PLACE. I LIKE THAT PLACE, GERMAN, ON ACCOUNT OF THIS. IT HAS GOT SCOPE.
   Harikesa: There’s no land.
   Prabhupada: That you can acquire, that you can acquire. But building is very nice.
   Hari-sauri: We don’t own that place, though, do we?
   Prabhupada: NEVER MIND, OWN OR NOT OWN. YOU POSSESS AND THAT’S ALL. YOU DON’T OWN ANYTHING. EVERYTHING BELONGS TO KRSNA. DO YOU THINK IT IS, YOU OWN THIS?
   Hari-sauri: No, I was thinking in terms of ISKCON.
   Prabhupada: This is all Krsna’s property. So long He likes, we shall remain. That’s all. I know that. (laughs) Just like we entered Bhaktivedanta Manor without any arrangement. I know that so long Krsna will like, we shall… If Krsna says “Go away,” we shall go away, what is that? Why so much legal implication? EVERYWHERE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE GOT BIG, BIG BUILDINGS, I DON’T THINK WE OWN IT. IT IS KRSNA’S. SO LONG HE LIKES, WE SHALL REMAIN THERE, IF HE DOESN’T LIKE, WE SHALL GO AWAY. WHAT IS THIS? WHY YOU SHOULD STRESS ON THE PROPRIETORSHIP?

   Note:THEREFORE TEMPLE CONSTRUCTION IS NOT BAD, PROVIDED PROPER CARE IS TAKEN FOR THE PROPAGATION OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS.
   SB 7.15.21 P Instructions for Civilized Human Beings
   For spiritual advancement, one should be materially satisfied, for if one is not materially satisfied, his greed for material development will result in the frustration of his spiritual advancement. There are two things that nullify all good qualities. One is poverty. Daridra-doso guna-rasi-nasi. If one is poverty-stricken, all his good qualities become null and void. Similarly, if one becomes too greedy, his good qualifications are lost. Therefore the adjustment is that one should not be poverty-stricken, but one must try to be fully satisfied with the bare necessities of life and not be greedy. For a devotee to be satisfied with the bare necessities is therefore the best advice for spiritual advancement. Learned authorities in devotional life consequently advise that one not endeavor to increase the number of temples and mathas. Such activities can be undertaken only by devotees experienced in propagating the Krsna consciousness movement. ALL THE ACARYAS IN SOUTH INDIA, ESPECIALLY SRI RAMANUJACARYA, CONSTRUCTED MANY BIG TEMPLES, AND IN NORTH INDIA ALL THE GOSVAMIS OF VRNDAVANA CONSTRUCTED LARGE TEMPLES. SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA ALSO CONSTRUCTED LARGE CENTERS, KNOWN AS GAUDIYA MATHAS. THEREFORE TEMPLE CONSTRUCTION IS NOT BAD, PROVIDED PROPER CARE IS TAKEN FOR THE PROPAGATION OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. EVEN IF SUCH ENDEAVORS ARE CONSIDERED GREEDY, THE GREED IS TO SATISFY KRSNA, AND THEREFORE THESE ARE SPIRITUAL ACTIVITIES.

   Note:TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CONSTRUCTING TOO MANY BIG TEMPLES, BECAUSE OUR ATTENTION MAY BE DIVERTED TOWARD MATERIAL THINGS.
   JSD 3.3 Krsna, Enchanter of the Soul
   OUR PURPOSE IS NOT TO CONSTRUCT BIG, BIG BUILDINGS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS SOMETIMES REQUIRED FOR SPREADING KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS AND FOR GIVING SHELTER TO PEOPLE. BUT OUR MAIN BUSINESS IS TO TURN THE FACES OF THE BEWILDERED CONDITIONED SOULS TOWARD KRSNA. THAT IS OUR MAIN PURPOSE. THEREFORE BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA AND OTHER VAISNAVAS HAVE WARNED US TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CONSTRUCTING TOO MANY BIG TEMPLES, BECAUSE OUR ATTENTION MAY BE DIVERTED TOWARD MATERIAL THINGS. IN OTHER WORDS, WE MAY BECOME FORGETFUL OF KRSNA.

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8. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

   25. August 2014 at 3:31 am

   Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu.

   If “ATTENTION TO MATERIAL THINGS” has already over many years become ENDEMIC (after all isn’t that the whole purpose of these articles regarding the deviations of ISKCON Bangalore?) then what is the purpose of this ‘skyscraper building? Perhaps the inhabitants of Vrindavan Dharm have never heard of Krishna? Do you think that because of the Vatican, people have a better understanding of Jesus Christ?, or that those who claim to be His representatives are just conditioned souls consumed with power, greed and distortion as to the real position of Jesus Christ? Or is it that after the completion of this building, all the abuse of devotees, exploitation, distortion of legal documents, and excessive pressure to collect money will just magically disappear like ‘fairy dust’?

   Daso Smi

   Sudarsana

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9. Bhakta John says:

   25. August 2014 at 4:35 am

   Hari Bol prabhus.

   I think Mahesh Raja Prabhu is missing the real point while analysing the opposition to making a skyscraper temple in Sri Vrindavan Dham by Iskcon Bangalore and MPD. We are specifically talking about Sri Vrindavan Dham.

   Mahesh Raja Prabhu wrote:
   “SUPPOSE I AM RENTING ONE SMALL APARTMENT. IF SOMEBODY SAYS, “SWAMIJI, COME ON. I SHALL CONSTRUCT A VERY NICE PALATIAL TEMPLE. YOU COME HERE.” OH, I SHALL BE VERY MUCH OBLIGED.” Madhya 17.86 The Lord Travels to Vrndavana

   But here the situation is totally different, MPD and the devotees of IB are involved in making luxirous apartments with gymnasium and spa to make money for this temple. Srila Prabhupada says –
   “I am seeing now that the business activities in our society, they are increasing. Originally I allowed that Gargamuni could start the incense business. I thought that the Ramakrishna Mission, they are doing and the incense we are using, so if we make some and sell it, then what is the harm. But now I see that Spiritual Sky, they have so many products. And now there is jewelry business going on. So why should the business increase? Nanda Kumar, he came here to India simply for doing business. This is not required. So I have given him sannyasa and now he is finished with all business, and he will go to Africa to preach. So this business should be discouraged, otherwise, if they do it, our men will again become karmis. Our business is simply book distribution.”
   Letter to Jagadisa Das, Bombay,20 November, 1975

   As far as Srila Prabhupada talking about big temple of Govindji in Vrindavan, yes previous acharyas did many things that is true but to his disciples Srila Prabhupada has given the following order –

   “So this Krishna consciousness movement is trying to revive the original, constitutional position. So one of them, in Krishna consciousness movement, is village organization, as you are trying here. Krishna, in His natural life, is a village boy in Vrindāvana. Vrindāvana IS A VILLAGE. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is NO BIG, BIG SKYSCRAPER BUILDINGS; it is village. That Krishna likes. In the śāstra it is said, vrindāvanaṁ parityajya sa kvacin naiva gacchati [Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta 1.5.461]. Krishna is so fond of that Vrindāvana village life, with His cowherd boys and cowherd girls, gopīs, mother Yaśodā, father Nanda, and Upananda, uncles, and big family, the cows and the calves, the trees, the Yamunā River. He is satisfied in that life. So AT LEAST those who are Krishna conscious, they should be satisfied with SIMPLE LIFE IN THE VILLAGE. That is part of Krishna consciousness.
   (Srila Prabhupada at Evening Lecture at Gītā-Nagarī Farm – July 16, 1976, Port Royal)

   “VRINDABAN DOES NOT REQUIRE TO BE MODERNIZED BECAUSE KRISHNA’S VRINDABAN IS TRANSCENDENTAL VILLAGE. They completely depend on nature’s beauty and nature’s protection. The community in which Krishna preferred to belong was Vaisya community, because Nanda Maharaja happened to be a Vaisya king, or landholder, and his main business was cow protection. It is understood that he had 900,000 cows and Krishna and Balarama used to take charge of them, along with His many cowherd boy friends, and every day, in the morning He used to go out with His friends and cows into the pasturing grounds. SO, IF YOU SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONVERT THIS NEW SPOT AS NEW VRINDABAN, I SHALL ADVISE YOU NOT TO MAKE IT VERY MUCH MODERNIZED. But as you are American boys, you must make it just suitable to your minimum needs. NOT TO MAKE IT TOO MUCH LUXURIOUS AS GENERALLY EUROPEANS AND AMERICANS ARE ACCUSTOMED. BETTER TO LIVE THERE WITHOUT MODERN AMENITIES. But to live a natural healthy life for executing Krishna Consciousness. It may be an ideal village where the residents will have plain living and high thinking. For plain living we must have sufficient land for raising crops and pasturing grounds for the cows. If there is sufficient grains and production of milk, then the whole economic problem is solved.”
   Letter to: Hayagriva — Montreal 14 June, 1968

   “How they were happy, the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana with Kṛṣṇa and living and cows. That I want to introduce. At any cost do it and… DON’T BOTHER ABOUT BIG, BIG BUILDINGS. IT IS NOT REQUIRED. USELESS WASTE OF TIME. Produce. Make the whole field green. See that. Then whole economic question solved. Then you eat sumptuous. Eat sumptuously. The animal is happy. The animal even does not give milk; let them eat and pass stool and urine. That is welcome. After all, eating, they will pass stool. So that is beneficial, not that simply milk is beneficial. Even the stool is beneficial. Therefore I am asking so much here and…, “Farm, farm, farm, farm.” That is not my program—Kṛṣṇa’s program. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni (BG 3.14). PRODUCE GREENNESS EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE. VṚNDĀVANA. IT IS NOT THIS MOTORCAR CIVILIZATION. If it has taken in his brain, then it is to be understood that he can do it, this plan. He’ll be able.” (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 27, 1977)”

   Also the acharyas did not make villas, gymnasiums neither did they engage as commission agents for selling apartments and villas where all the facilities for sense gratification is being provided in Sri Vrindavan Dham.

   AND WHAT ABOUT DISTRIBUTING BHOGA, SUPPORTING MUNDANE EDUCATION SYSTEM, SUPPORTING SECULARISM, SUPPORTING THE CAUSE OF HUNGER ETC.

   Srila Prabhupada stood and spoke against all these things and these so called followers of Prabhupada are acting in just opposite way – destroying the legacy (the pure uncomporomised philiosophy of sri caitanya dev) which srila prabhupada has left for this world ?

   Mahesh Raja Prabhu, Why you are not saying anything about it?

   Yours
   Bhakta John

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10. marica says:

    25. August 2014 at 7:38 am

    Please look at the pictures of KRISHNA BHUMI PROJECT here :

    http://www.axiomestates.com/real-estate/properties.php?city=Vrindavan&location=On%20Chhatikara%20Road&property=Krishna%20Bhumi&curr=inr

    They construct not only Krsna temple.

    Is the Holy Dham of Vrndavan in danger ?

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11. Mahesh Raja says:

    25. August 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Bhakta John: AND WHAT ABOUT DISTRIBUTING BHOGA, SUPPORTING MUNDANE EDUCATION SYSTEM, SUPPORTING SECULARISM, SUPPORTING THE CAUSE OF HUNGER ETC.

    Srila Prabhupada stood and spoke against all these things and these so called followers of Prabhupada are acting in just opposite way — destroying the legacy (the pure uncomporomised philiosophy of sri caitanya dev) which srila prabhupada has left for this world ?
    Mahesh Raja Prabhu, Why you are not saying anything about it?

    Mahesh: Thank-you very much for the above quotes from Srila Prabhupada. We want to STUDY Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions OPENLY so that BOTH points of views are taken into account. CRITICAL CONSTRUCTIVE ANALYSIS is NECESSARY to ascertain the truth. Grhasthas are SUPPOSED TO DO BUSINESS to SUPPORT temple. So if they are SUPPORTING THE TEMPLE and there ARE SOME BUSINESS activities that have got FAULT should the Grhasthas give them up? Madhu Pandit and some ISKCON BANGALORE folks ARE Grhastha and HAVE business activity BUT it is THESE Grhasthas that SUPPORT the Temples. And judging by his EXPANSION of so many temples shows his EXCELLENT management skills. THIS however is NOT to say he is without fault. BUT why ONLY see his FAULTS? There should be a BALANCED viewpoint not SIMPLY FAULT FINDING:

    Letter to: Balmukundji Parikh
    —
    Los Angeles
    11 February, 1970

    London

    According to our Sastras, the brahmacaris, the vanaprasthas, and the sannyasis are allowed to collect alms and are considered as the children of the society, which is composed of householders. In other words, our Vedic civilization is the most perfect community project. ONLY THE GRHASTHAS ARE SUPPOSED TO EARN MONEY, especially the ksatriyas and the vaisyas, and the money is distributed community-wide. The community is divided into four parts, the brahmacari, the grhastha, the vanaprastha, and the sannyasi. OUT OF THESE FOUR DIVISIONS, ONLY THE GRHASTHAS ARE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE BRAHMACARIS, THE VANAPRASTHAS, AND THE SANNYASIS. THAT IS THE WHOLE PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS IF THERE ARE 100 MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY, THREE-FOURTHS OF THE WHOLE NUMBER, NAMELY 75%, ARE MAINTAINED BY THE ONE-FOURTH MEMBERS, NAMELY 25%. OUR MOVEMENT IS FOR PREACHING THE SANKIRTANA VIBRATION, SO WHILE THE BRAHMACARIS AND VANAPRASTHAS OR THE SANNYASIS TAKE TO THIS PREACHING WORK, THE GRHASTHAS OR HOUSEHOLDERS CAN MAINTAIN THE TEMPLE AND INSTITUTION. IN INDIA, YOU HAVE SAID, THE TEMPLES ARE RICHEST BECAUSE THE GRHASTHAS SUPPORT THEM. IN THIS COUNTRY ALSO THE HOUSEHOLDERS SUPPORT THE CHURCHES.

    Bg 18.48 T Conclusion–The Perfection of Renunciation
    Every endeavor is covered by some sort of fault, just as fire is covered by smoke. THEREFORE ONE SHOULD NOT GIVE UP THE WORK WHICH IS BORN OF HIS NATURE, O SON OF KUNTI, EVEN IF SUCH WORK IS FULL OF FAULT.
    Bg 18.48 P Conclusion–The Perfection of Renunciation
    In conditioned life, all work is contaminated by the material modes of nature. Even if one is a brahmana, he has to perform sacrifices in which animal killing is necessary. Similarly, a ksatriya, however pious he may be, has to fight enemies. He cannot avoid it. SIMILARLY, A MERCHANT, HOWEVER PIOUS HE MAY BE, MUST SOMETIMES HIDE HIS PROFIT TO STAY IN BUSINESS, OR HE MAY SOMETIMES HAVE TO DO BUSINESS ON THE BLACK MARKET. THESE THINGS ARE NECESSARY; ONE CANNOT AVOID THEM. Similarly, even though a man is a sudra serving a bad master, he has to carry out the order of the master, even though it should not be done. Despite these flaws, one should continue to carry out his prescribed duties, for they are born out of his own nature.
    A very nice example is given herein. Although fire is pure, still there is smoke. Yet smoke does not make the fire impure. Even though there is smoke in the fire, fire is still considered to be the purest of all elements. If one prefers to give up the work of a ksatriya and take up the occupation of a brahmana, he is not assured that in the occupation of a brahmana there are no unpleasant duties. One may then conclude that in the material world no one can be completely free from the contamination of material nature. This example of fire and smoke is very appropriate in this connection. When in wintertime one takes a stone from the fire, sometimes smoke disturbs the eyes and other parts of the body, but still one must make use of the fire despite disturbing conditions. Similarly, one should not give up his natural occupation because there are some disturbing elements. Rather, one should be determined to serve the Supreme Lord by his occupational duty in Krsna consciousness. That is the perfectional point. When a particular type of occupation is performed for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, all the defects in that particular occupation are purified. When the results of work are purified, when connected with devotional service, one becomes perfect in seeing the self within, and that is self-realization.

    Note: as for SPEAKING OUT – I did provide HARMFUL effects on GM crops before ALSO:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html

    GM crops should NOT be taken lightly. They are DESTRUCTIVE AND DANGEROUS.

    Since other devotees spoke against Krsna Cartoons providing quotes from Srila Prabhupada there was no further NEED for me as the explanations were VERY CLEAR: Srila Prabhupada did NOT want Krsna Cartoons.
    You CAN NOT SPECULATE what Krsna SPEAKS. The quotes HAVE TO BE EXACT what KRSNA SPOKE from Krsna Book. You can NOT manufacture words and put it into Krsna’s mouth.

    Don’t make it a CAMP issue. We that some here are VERY fond of speaking FOR Dayalu Nitai Camp AGAINST Madhu Pandit and ISKCON BANGALORE SIMPLY TO POINT at HIS FAULTS —-and vice versa. Stick to Srila Prabhupada QUOTES to back-up what you say. We are NOT after CAMP ISSUE business following this camp or that but to UNDERSTAND AND LEARN FROM Srila Prabhupada Instructions.

    730902rc.lon Conversations
    Prabhupada: That is our Vedic evidence. WHENEVER WE SPEAK SOMETHING, IMMEDIATELY QUOTE FROM VEDAS. THIS IS OUR PROCESS. IF IT IS ACCEPTED BY THE VEDIC PROCESS, THEN IT IS PERFECT. JUST LIKE IN THE LAW COURT. YOU ARE LAWYER. YOU ARE ARGUING. WHEN YOU QUOTE FROM A JUDGEMENT, PREVIOUS JUDGEMENT, IT IS ACCEPTED. SIMILARLY, WHEN YOU GIVE AUTHORITATIVE STATEMENT SUPPORT OF YOUR TALKING, THEN IT IS PERFECT. THAT IS THE WAY. OTHERWISE, WHAT FOR THESE BOOKS ARE THERE? IF IT IS MENTAL SPECULATION WHAT IS THE USE OF THESE BOOKS? BUT AS SOON AS WE SPEAK SOMETHING, WE IMMEDIATELY SUPPORT BY QUOTING FROM VEDIC LITERATURE. AND THAT IS PERFECT

    740103mw.la Conversations
    Prabhupada: Dog. So we… sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh. They are all ass, camels, dogs, like that and they are praising each other. “Oh, you have discovered this. Oh, how nice you are. (laughter) How nice you are.” But we understand the praiser and the praised, both are dogs and cats. That’s all. So we don’t give any benefit. It is a mutual praising society of cats and dogs, so we don’t give any benefit. Now, they can also accuse us in the same way, that “You are also the society of cats and dog, mutual praising society.” So… Now, who will judge whether they are right or we are right? Who will judge? Eh? There must be some judgement. Everyone will say that “I am right.” But who judges? There must be a judge, that through both side the lawyers is fighting, that “My case is right.” Then who will give judgement? There must be one judge. So who is that judge?
    Prajapati: sastra, guru, sadhu.
    Prabhupada: Yes. YES. THAT IS THE JUDGE. THEREFORE WE QUOTE FROM VEDIC LITERATURES. AS SOON AS WE SPEAK SOMETHING, IMMEDIATELY QUOTE VEDIC LITERATURE. THAT IS THE WAY.

    Note: AND FALSE ARGUMENTS CAN BE CONQUERED BY FACTUAL ASCERTAINMENT.
    SB 1.9.27 P The Passing Away of Bhismadeva in the Presence of Lord Krsna
    As far as salvation is concerned, one has to conquer the principles of lust, anger, unlawful desires, avarice and bewilderment. To get freedom from anger, one should learn how to forgive. To be free from unlawful desires one should not make plans. By spiritual culture one is able to conquer sleep. By tolerance only can one conquer desires and avarice. Disturbances from various diseases can be avoided by regulated diets. By self-control one can be free from false hopes, and money can be saved by avoiding undesirable association. By practice of yoga one can control hunger, and worldliness can be avoided by culturing the knowledge of impermanence. Dizziness can be conquered by rising up, AND FALSE ARGUMENTS CAN BE CONQUERED BY FACTUAL ASCERTAINMENT.

    Srila Prabhupada DID HAVE Kritanananda build BIG Temple in New Vrindavan. HOWEVER he wanted it modeled in the SIMPLE Village lifestyle:

    So AT LEAST those who are Krishna conscious, they should be satisfied with SIMPLE LIFE IN THE VILLAGE. That is part of Krishna consciousness.
    (Srila Prabhupada at Evening Lecture at Gītā-Nagarī Farm – July 16, 1976, Port Royal)

    Note: it is ALL about COOPERATION:

    75-01-16. Letter: Krsnavesa
    Our movement is based on love and trust, so if we do not CO-OPERATE, then how is that love and trust? Follow all of the rules and regulations very strictly without deviation, chant 16 rounds, attend class and mangala arati and then everything will be alright.

    75-09-18. Letter: Sukadeva
    You aLL SHOULD CO-OPERATE and then things will go on very nicely. WE SHOULD NOT BRING IN POLITICS. THAT IS A VERY NASTY THING.

    70-08-06.Upe Letter: Upendra
    Now all my disciples must work combinedly and WITH COOPERATION to spread this Sankirtana Movement. If you cannot work together then my work is stopped up. Our Society is like one big family and our relationships should be based on love and trust. WE MUST GIVE UP THE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND USE OUR INTELLIGENCE TO PUSH AHEAD. You should accept help from your Godbrothers.

    72-11-18.Mad Letter: Madhumangala
    Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.

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12. Mahesh Raja says:

    25. August 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari:Or is it that after the completion of this building, all the abuse of devotees, exploitation, distortion of legal documents, and excessive pressure to collect money will just magically disappear like ‘fairy dust’?

    Mahesh: Prabhu, things CAN change BUT THERE is NO MAGIC SOLUTIONS TO ANYTHING – FACT!
    Regards the “excessive pressure to collect money” this will also go in time as more and more devotees speak out. The Internet is BIG preaching tool to EXPOSE wrong doings. Building a Temple is NOT a remedy for these kind of things. But it does NOT mean that no temple CAN be built just because there are problems.
    Sometimes ALSO there ARE devotees who just refuse to do ANYTHING. They just want to LIVE OFF YOU. So there ARE two sides to a coin. NEITHER do we want to see a DESPOTIC rule of Centralization by ONE man. Few years back the Bogus ISKCON GBC wanted ALL Temple Presidents to sign the Temple to THEIR name. This means they CAN get rid of the Temple President AT WILL. This is against the Direction of Management (1970). I do not know HOW many signed to this nonsense. THIS is WHY the bogus ISKCON GBC are AGAINST Direction of Management. They want to MANIPULATE others.
    So there ARE problems ALWAYS. Devotees NEED to be AWARE OF— AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES:

    72-12-22. Letter: Karandhara
    REGARDING YOUR POINTS ABOUT TAXATION, CORPORATE STATUS, ETC., I HAVE HEARD FROM JAYATIRTHA YOU WANT TO MAKE BIG PLAN FOR CENTRALIZATION OF MANAGEMENT, TAXES, MONIES, CORPORATE STATUS, BOOKKEEPING, CREDIT, LIKE THAT. I DO NOT AT ALL APPROVE OF SUCH PLAN. DO NOT CENTRALIZE ANYTHING. EACH TEMPLE MUST REMAIN INDEPENDENT AND SELF-SUFFICIENT. THAT WAS MY PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WHY YOU ARE THINKING OTHERWISE? ONCE BEFORE YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING CENTRALIZING WITH YOUR GBC MEETING, AND IF I DID NOT INTERFERE THE WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. DO NOT THINK IN THIS WAY OF BIG CORPORATION, BIG CREDITS, CENTRALIZATION–THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE PROPOSALS. Only thing I wanted was that books printing and distribution should be centralized, therefore I appointed you and Bali Mardan to do it. Otherwise, management, everything, should be done locally by local men. Accounts must be kept, things must be in order and lawfully done, but that should be each temple’s concern, not yours. Krishna Consciousness Movement is for training men to be independently thoughtful and competent in all types of departments of knowledge and action, not for making bureaucracy. Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. THERE MUST BE ALWAYS INDIVIDUAL STRIVING AND WORK AND RESPONSIBILITY, COMPETITIVE SPIRIT, NOT THAT ONE SHALL DOMINATE AND DISTRIBUTE BENEFITS TO THE OTHERS AND THEY DO NOTHING BUT BEG FROM YOU AND YOU PROVIDE. NO. NEVER MIND THERE MAY BE BOTHERATION TO REGISTER EACH CENTRE, TAKE TAX CERTIFICATE EACH, BECOME SEPARATE CORPORATIONS IN EACH STATE. THAT WILL TRAIN MEN HOW TO DO THESE THINGS, AND THEY SHALL DEVELOP RELIABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY, THAT IS THE POINT. I am little observing now, especially in your country, that our men are losing their enthusiasm for spreading on our programmes of Krishna Consciousness movement. Otherwise, why so many letters of problems are coming, dissatisfied? That is not a very good sign. The whole problem is they are not following the regulative principles, that I can detect. Without this, enthusiasm will be lacking. Even mechanically following, and if he gets gradually understanding from the class, he will come to the point of spontaneous enthusiasm. This spontaneous loving devotional service is not so easy matter, but if one simply sticks strictly to the rules and regulations, like rising early, chanting 16 rounds, chanting gayatri, keeping always clean–then his enthusiasm will grow more and more, and if there is also patience and determination, one day he will come to the platform of spontaneous devotion, then his life will be perfect. All of this I have told you in Nectar of Devotion. So I do not think the leaders are themselves following, nor they are seeing the others are following strictly. That must be rectified at once. Each centre remain independent, that’s all right, but the president and other officers must themselves follow and see the others are following the regulative principles carefully, and giving them good instruction so they may understand nicely why this tapasya is necessary. And GBC and Sannyasis will travel and see the officers are doing this, and if they observe anything lowering of the standard, they must reform and advise, or if there is some discrepancy I shall remove it. Of course, if new men are coming, they may not be expected immediately to take to our regulative principles cent per cent. Therefore we should not be so anxious to induce them to live in the temple. Anyone who lives in the temple must agree to follow the rules and regulations without fail. So if some new man moves in with us he may become discouraged if he is forced in this way. Therefore let them live outside and become gradually convinced in the class why they should accept some austerity, then they will live with us out of their own accord and follow nicely everything. It is very difficult to give up very quickly so many bad habits as you have got in your country, so educate them gradually, first with chanting, and do not be so much anxious to count up so many numbers of new devotees, if such devotees go away later being too early forced. I want to see a few sincere devotees, not many false devotees or pretenders.
    So my point is that the regulative principles must be followed by everyone. Otherwise their enthusiasm dwindles and they again think of sex and become restless, and so many problems are there. There is some symptom of missing the point. The point is to be engaged in doing something for Krishna, never mind what is that job, but being so engaged in doing something very much satisfying to the devotee that he remains always enthusiastic. He will automatically follow the regulative principles because they are part of his occupational duty–by applying them practically as his occupational duty, he realises the happy result of regulative principles. So the future of this Krishna Consciousness movement is very bright, so long the managers remain vigilant that 16 rounds are being chanted by everyone without fail, that they are all rising before four morning, attending mangal arati–our leaders shall be careful not to kill the spirit of enthusiastic service, which is individual and spontaneous and voluntary. They should try always to generate some atmosphere of fresh challenge to the devotees, so that they will agree enthusiastically to rise and meet it. That is the art of management: to draw out spontaneous loving spirit of sacrificing some energy for Krishna. But where are so many expert managers? All of us should become expert managers and preachers. We should not be very much after comforts and become complacent or self-contented. There must be always some tapasya, strictly observing the regulative principles–Krishna Consciousness movement must be always a challenge, a great achievement to be gained by voluntary desire to do it, and that will keep it healthy. So you big managers now try to train up more and more some competent preachers and managers like yourselves. FORGET THIS CENTRALIZING AND BUREAUCRACY.

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13. Mahesh Raja says:

    25. August 2014 at 8:38 pm

    There are TWO camps in India:

    1) Dayalu Nitai

    2) Madhu Pandit and IB group devotees

    Facts:
    The devotees will go to WHOEVER they see RESPECTS them and is NOT ill-treated.
    Presently – there are MANY FOREIGN devotees are going over to Dayalu Nitai Camp at Jaipur.

    The Temple Management and Expansion project is BEST at Madhu Pandit and IB devotees.

    Devotees can make a choice where they want to go AND where they are made to FEEL WELCOME.

    73-08-23. Letter: Tamala Krsna
    N.B. I have received one complaint from Indian devotee at Mayapur Prabharupa Das Brahmacari that he is mal treated by our American devotees. Kindly inquire into this matter and do the needful. EITHER INDIAN OR FOREIGN WHOEVER JOINS US THEY ARE NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION, OUR ONLY TIE IS LOVE OF GODHEAD. IT SHOULD BE OUR DEFINITE POLICY THAT NOBODY IS ILL TREATED THAT HE MAY GO AWAY. We recruit a person to join us after spending gallons of blood. Everyone comes for reformation, you cannot expect everyone to be perfect, rather it is our duty to make everyone perfect as far as possible. So we shall be very much cautious and careful in this connection.

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14. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    26. August 2014 at 4:44 am

    Dear Mahesh Raja

    I am sure that many Indians would love to live in 1950’s style ‘housing project’ in the countryside and think that this is very modern way to live. This is common theme all over India to replicate what the westerners did after world war 2, but I think that something got lost in translation here.

    You are now sounding like an ‘apologist’ for ISKCON Bangalore by saying that we shouldn’t criticise because there is always some fault, but at the same time you are constantly berating and criticising the GBC over their ”money screwing, and slavery making” (just to use one of your favourite slogans). I don’t see that there is a whole lot of difference here, so perhaps you could explain what the great difference is?

    Daso Smi

    Sudarsana

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15. Ram Das says:

    26. August 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Hare Krishna Bhakta John.

    I live in Jaipur

    I would like to translate the leaflet you uploaded which is being distributed by akshay patra jaipur. It is in hindi language.

    Translation is line by line :

    “Krsna’s Mercy (Program name)-
    . We can do Vedic Mantra recitation at your home to resolve the family disputes, diseases and pains
    . We can organize bhajan-kirtan for mental peace
    . Can do Narsimha yajna for the purification of House and for counteracting the obstacles

    Jahanavi Jyoti (Program Name)-
    . Training for Bhajan, Kirtan and Bhakti songs
    . Training for cymbals, mridanda etc.
    . Training for how to chant mantras and artis

    Akshay Patra-

    akshay patra is an NGO which distributes FOOD to 15 Lac children as mid-day meal in Government schools. Its goal is no child in India should be deprived from EDUCATION due to hunger.
    You can also donate with free hands ……”

    Your Servant
    Ram Das

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16. Bhakta John (Netherland) says:

    26. August 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Hare Krishna Mahesh Raja prabhu.

    Somehow you are not touching upon any of the following questions (which are clear cut deviations) which i am bringing repeatedly to your notice. Instead you are talking about some other points which may require discusion. For your attention , again i am reproducing my questions below :

    AND WHAT ABOUT DISTRIBUTING BHOGA, SUPPORTING MUNDANE EDUCATION SYSTEM, SUPPORTING SECULARISM, SUPPORTING THE CAUSE OF HUNGER ETC ?

    Srila Prabhupada stood and spoke against all these things and these so called followers of Prabhupada are acting in just opposite way — destroying the legacy (the pure uncomporomised philiosophy of sri caitanya dev) which srila prabhupada has left for this world ?

    Yours
    Bhakta John

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17. Mahesh Raja says:

    26. August 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari: I am sure that many Indians would love to live in 1950′s style ‘housing project’ in the countryside and think that this is very modern way to live. This is common theme all over India to replicate what the westerners did after world war 2, but I think that something got lost in translation here.

    Mahesh: Yes – I AGREE. The problem in Vrindavan is there are now TOO MANY BIG BUILDING HIGH RISE FLATS. AND everyone wants to CAPITALIZE on the DEMAND. Everyone is GREEDY after MONEY. One friend bought such a apartment where Brahmananda is staying(Nidhuvana?) and he had a window overlooking green fields. Now – they have put a BIG BUILDING covering that view. The window is useless. If you have money you can BRIBE the Government officials to put your BIG BUILDING anywhere. India BRIBERY is COMMON. It is a way of life. The demand in Vrindavan for LUXURY buildings was created by ISKCON devotees. Many want to retire there in LUXURY. They do NOT want SIMPLE lifestyle. As long as there is MONEY to be made there WILL be a DEMAND for land that can be used for BIG buildings. The Government is not going to put a stop either because EVERYONE wants a cut in the MONEY making process. So the place is becoming a CONCRETE JUNGLE. Do I agree with all these residential LUXURY big buildings – NO! But this IS the situation. You go to Vrindavan for SIMPLE life NOT for LUXURY this is Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. Who can deny it?

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari :You are now sounding like an ‘apologist’ for ISKCON Bangalore by saying that we shouldn’t criticise because there is always some fault, but at the same time you are constantly berating and criticising the GBC over their ”money screwing, and slavery making” (just to use one of your favourite slogans). I don’t see that there is a whole lot of difference here, so perhaps you could explain what the great difference is?

    Mahesh: I am NOT an apologist for ISKCON Bangalore. If I had been then I would NOT speak out against their policy of GM foods particularly rice “donations” they get from USA Bill Gates foundation? Genetically Modified foods ARE VERY VERY VERY DANGEROUS: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html

    The Krsna Cartoons video that ISKCON Bangalore made is also NOT what Srila Prabhupada wanted either. This is WHY I COMPLETELY REJECT THAT – you can NOT manufacture words to put into Krsna’s mouth to say this was SPOKEN by Krsna. This cartoon video is A BIG BLUNDER on their part. For me to be apologist of ISKCON Bangalore I would have to be their YES MAN—- ALL THE TIME. You have to judge what is RIGHT from WRONG actions. NOT be a PARTY LINE man of ANY GROUP. The Issue is: If ISKCON Bangalore folks do something RIGHT then we can NOT deny them. If they do something WRONG we can NOT accept that EITHER:

    Madhya 5.90 The Activities of Saksi-gopala
    A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities.”

    So ISKCON Bangalore folks DO HAVE their faults as I pointed out. BUT to say that EVERYTHING what they do is a fault THAT is ALSO wrong. ISKCON Bangalore group are ATLEAST making an effort to get Srila Prabhupada worshiped as the Diksa Guru and to adopt the Ritvik System which the MONEY SCREWING SLAVERY MAKING BUNCH OF CROOKS the bogus GBC ISKCON do not want. THAT is the BIG difference between them: http://www.iskcontimes.com/iskcon-guru-fallacy

    If however ISKCON bogus GBC decide that they WILL accept the Ritvik System then we will WELCOME them ALSO. Otherwise, we determined to EXPOSE them because they are creating a SLAVERY MANIPULATING SYSTEM TO REPLACE SRILA PRABHUPADA as the ONLY Diksa Guru for ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada ORDERED the Ritvik System THERE IS NO COMPROMISE ON THIS—- AT ALL:

    “A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    [snip]

    “We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”

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18. Mahesh Raja says:

    26. August 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Bhakta John (Netherland) :Somehow you are not touching upon any of the following questions (which are clear cut deviations) which i am bringing repeatedly to your notice. Instead you are talking about some other points which may require discusion. For your attention , again i am reproducing my questions below :

    AND WHAT ABOUT DISTRIBUTING BHOGA, SUPPORTING MUNDANE EDUCATION SYSTEM, SUPPORTING SECULARISM, SUPPORTING THE CAUSE OF HUNGER ETC ?

    Srila Prabhupada stood and spoke against all these things and these so called followers of Prabhupada are acting in just opposite way — destroying the legacy (the pure uncomporomised philiosophy of sri caitanya dev) which srila prabhupada has left for this world ?

    Mahesh: Let me make it VERY clear: I do NOT speak on ISKCON Bangalore behalf. If there is Srila Prabhupada’s QUOTE to BACK-UP that ANYONE is deviating we ONLY accept THAT as FINAL.
    We ONLY accept Srila Prabhupada’s QUOTES as FINAL. So you have to produce the Srila Prabhupada QUOTES SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE DEVIATIONS and let the devotees decide for themselves.

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19. Mahesh Raja says:

    26. August 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Bhakta John (Netherland) AND WHAT ABOUT DISTRIBUTING BHOGA

    Mahesh: I have offered some Prasadam before to persons WITHOUT telling them it has been OFFERED to the Deities of Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha Govinda . If I HAD told them it was OFFERED to Deities they would NOT have taken. The question is HOW do you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that they have NOT offered to the Deities FIRST?
    What is the PROOF that it is BHOGA and NOT Prasadam?

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20. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    26. August 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Dear Mahesh Raj.

    This is why I don’t live in India. It is a cesspool of corruption. Nor am I interested in becoming ‘cheerleader’ in someone’s ”camp”. The only difference between India and the West is that in India, they can kill you and get away with it, how can anyone trust these people? I appreciate the stand that you are taking on GM foods, these are controlled by huge Multinational Corporations like Monsanto. Bill (I did not have sexual relations with that woman) Clinton and his despotic wife Hillary are the smiling face of US domination of the Agricultural sectors of the World. Madhu Pandit is just a ‘bag man’ and a ‘flunky’ accepting this GM foodstuffs, I have no respect for these people. This is not Krishna Consciousness, this is madness.

    This is why they have pushed Prince Charles aside because when he visited India he also spoke out against GM at meetings with leading Indian Biotech Agronomists, telling them that GM was MADNESS which of course it is. Ever since then he has been kept in the background as he really freaked all these people out. What is the value of proclaiming that you are a supporter of ‘ritvik’ when you willingly become a cog and puppet within a corrupt and sinister regime orchestrated by Multinational Corporations who’s only interest is to bribe ‘influential’ officials in India (and other places) and enslave their stupid. brainwashed population.

    “Money screwing and slavery making” is not the ‘exclusive’ domain of the GBC it is what motivates this Demonic Hell called the material world and you only have to read 10th canto of Srimad Bhagavatam to understand that Demons always come disguised.

    Daso Smi

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari

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21. Bhakta John says:

    26. August 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Hare Krishna Mahesh Raja prabhu,

    You wrote:
    If there is Srila Prabhupada’s QUOTE to BACK-UP that ANYONE is deviating we ONLY accept THAT as FINAL.We ONLY accept Srila Prabhupada’s QUOTES as FINAL.

    I also fully agree with you on this. It is not a question of supporting HKC or Akshay Patra, it is question of knowing the truth.

    That is why I am saying that will Krishna accept food cooked by karmis. There are so many photographs of A.P kitchens where none of the cooks are having tilak or kanthi mala.They are looking like first class karmis.

    GMO food and Bill clintons visit who supports Monsanto, distributing sugar free food to diabetic patients and what all nonsense. Will Krishna accept all this junk. Just see the video which is an advertisement by A.P in India to raise money? It is a disgrace to whatever Srila Prabhupada stood for.

    Srila Prabhupada writes : Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.” (Letter to: Gurudasa, Honolulu,13 May, 1972)

    Yours
    Bhakta John

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22. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    27. August 2014 at 6:02 am

    The only way that Multinational companies like Monsanto can make people become DEPENDENT on their dangerous, untested, rubbish GM foodstuffs is to use the poor people in backward Third World countries as guinea pig, lab rats with only ONE objective MAXIMUM PROFIT. Under Clinton and his old pal Bush, these corporate criminals ‘loaded up’ the US FDA (Food & Drug Administration) with Official Cronie GMO “Scientists” to rubber stamp GM foods into the US (and Worldwide) food supply. Many Western Countries got wind of this CON JOB and banned these product as UNTESTED and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO HEALTH AND THE ENVIROMENT but only because there was a ”grass roots” public outcry in spite of “HIGH LEVEL POLITICAL CORRUPTION” and CORRUPTION OF AGRICULTURAL AUTHORITIES.

    Srila Prabhupada gave the example of how the British first introduced tea into India….Firstly they gave a penny away just to taste it ….Then they gave cup of tea for free…..then after some time they ‘charged’ a penny as the popularity grew….then of course the prices increased when people were very accustomed.

    Monsanto has made huge inroads into Third World countries like Africa and India because the general population are brutally suppressed by corrupt politicians, administrators, NGO’s and ‘welfare groups’ which all become infiltrated by CIA and other various secret service organizations with only one goal and that is of course THE MAXIMUM EXPLOITATION AND PROFIT OF THE GENERAL POPULATION at the expense of their own long-term health and wellbeing. GM foods contain ‘unstable’ genetic structures which change and ‘mutate’ causing long term damage to gastro-intestinal system, allergies, kidney failure and a plethora of health problems including early onset of cancer.

    It is criminal, morally reprehensible and pathetic that someone claiming to be a “Brahmana” and follower of Srila Prabhupada can be “sucked in” by these corporate predators in the name of Krishna and become a ”lapdog” of Scum like Gates and Clinton. This slick “Public Promotions” video makes you feel much sympathy for these children who are very poor, and it is nothing short of an absolute DISGRACE, THAT THESE UNFORTUNATE CHILDREN are beying manipulated and experimented on in this fashion.

    Monsanto is only too aware that when these poor children become sterile, or get cancer from consuming this GM that there is no recourse or compensation for them. All these Corporate Scum need to do is ”pay off” a few corrupt officials (as they probably already have) and their shareholders like the Clintons and Gates won’t be “too inconvenienced financially”

    This Akshaya Patra programme is a criminal conspiracy of unparalleled proportions and I would encourage those children to educate themselves as to the long term dangers of GM foods and the Corporate Criminals who are trying to foister this rubbish onto them in the name of ‘Education and Philanthropy”

    Daso Smi

    Sudarsana

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23. Bhakta John (Netherland) says:

    27. August 2014 at 10:47 am

    Hari Bol prabhus.

    Thanks to Ram Das prabhu for translation of leaflet which is distributed by akshay patra devotees.

    After reading this translation i can understand akshay patra devotees are ready to do anything in the name of Srila Prabhupada’s pure philosophy.

    They should purify their Heart instead of purifying the house.

    Prabhupada never propagated that you can utilize Holy Name for such things. He always talked of offence less chanting. This is one of the offence.

    yours
    Bhakta John

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24. Mahesh Raja says:

    27. August 2014 at 11:44 am

    Sudarsana Das Vanacari:The only way that Multinational companies like Monsanto can make people become DEPENDENT on their dangerous, untested, rubbish GM foodstuffs is to use the poor people in backward Third World countries as guinea pig, lab rats with only ONE objective MAXIMUM PROFIT. Under Clinton and his old pal Bush, these corporate criminals ‘loaded up’ the US FDA (Food & Drug Administration) with Official Cronie GMO “Scientists” to rubber stamp GM foods into the US (and Worldwide) food supply. Many Western Countries got wind of this CON JOB and banned these product as UNTESTED and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO HEALTH AND THE ENVIROMENT but only because there was a ”grass roots” public outcry in spite of “HIGH LEVEL POLITICAL CORRUPTION” and CORRUPTION OF AGRICULTURAL AUTHORITIES.

    Mahesh: There is much more to it – Monsanto is Company FOR PROFIT. IT IS ABOUT -ALL- ABOUT PROFIT.

    This is what I have heard from those in knowledge:
    1)The situation is the seeds given to the farmers are GENETICALLY MODIFIED so that the crops do NOT produce ANY MORE seeds. This makes the poor farmer COMPLETELY DEPENDENT on Monsanto to EXPLOIT.
    2) If the the GM crops do produce crops with seeds they are of VERY POOR YIELD the farmer SUFFERS.
    3) The GM crops have been PROVEN to be dangerous:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats–cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html
    4) The poor farmers borrow money from LOAN SHARKS to buy the seeds. The seeds cause crop failure and the result is THOUSANDS of farmers commit suicide as they can NOT pay the LOAN SHARKS as with the case in Maharastra – India. Government scientists are paid BRIBES to make it sound that GM crops are nice but it did not rain etc etc as a COVER-UP excuses.
    5) “Donation” of GM seeds to third world countries is just COVERT plan to EXPLOIT the poor. They want guinea pigs to TEST their product.They want to make inroads to SELL their products AND make the POOR completely DEPENDENT on them. EXPLOITATION!

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