ISKCON TRUTH – not so truthful anymore – publishing wrong accusations
From: “Dharmesh Sharma – dayalunitai108@gmail.com”
To: Administrator <admin@iskcontruth.com>
Cc: “Chanchalapathi Dasa” <cpd@iskconbangalore.org>, “Madhu Pandit Dasa” <mpd@iskconbangalore.org>, “info@prabhupadanugas.eu” <info@prabhupadanugas.eu>, “Bharatarshabha Dasa” <brd@hkm-group.org>
Subject: Iskcon Truth speaking Untruth
Dear Devotee (Adminstrator of Iskcon Truth),
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
First of all I would like to point out the following lines from your last mail where you are threatening me and HKC so that we stop speaking the truth –
“Your grudges never work dharmesh and this is my warning, ISKCON Truth has pulled lot truths hidden inside iskcon and its a easy to get hidden stories of HKC and particularity you. ISKCON Truth is requesting to stop this online war and please never show your grudge. I can publish your mail right now and show the world how much grudge you have”
It is very unfortunate that person of your stature (administrator of Iskcon Truth) is talking in such loose language. Anyway you will not be able to stop us from speaking the truth by these tactics. The truth goes like this –
You wrote: “Akshaya patra is feeding 1.4 million hungry children across india and children before eating they chant the holy name”
This is blatant lie. Please click here to see a video (at 3.30) and you will know what the children chant before taking this so called prasadam. MPP had written to me on Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM as follows –
“Akshay Patra trustees want the organization to be secular. It cannot associate publicly with religious mission. And it has nothing to do with vision of the kind of your vedic village.”
This mail was publicly uploaded by Sarvalakshan Das (one senior A.P, Jaipur Brahamcari) on FB in Januray 2014. Either MPP who is the chairman of Akshay Patra telling lies or you are speaking untruth? May be you can ask the A.P officials to upload at least one video on their official website where the children are chanting the holy name before honoring “prasadam”.
You also wrote: “Akshaya patra has created lot of devotees and impressed many more to know more about prabhupada and iskcon. That is the only reason many follow ISKCON Bangalore than your HKC (Virtually Anonymous)”
Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prahupada in this connection –
Prabhupada: I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don’t want many stars. That was my Guru Maharaja’s principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world.
(MW Bombay 12/03/74)
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Now let us talk about the quotes of Srila Prabhupada and the previous acharyas which you have put.
First of all I would like to point out that we should only concern ourselves with Srila Prabhupada’s quotes and not try to see the teachings of previous acharyas directly which may be different according to that particular time, place and circumstances. Just like Bhaktivinoda thakur took diksha from a Mayavadi but accepted Jagannatha Das Babaji as his siksha guru who is shown in our parampara but we do not do that because Srila Prabhupada has instructed us in a different way. Also, like you have quoted Bhaktivinoda Thakura where he is talking of giving material and spiritual education in schools in times when schools were not places where all sorts of nonsense theories, sex education , co-education etc. was being taught as in todays times.
So we follow Srila Prabhupada who has instructed us in a different way –
“No they say, they simply give primary education (indistinct) they can read, that’s all. And (indistinct). They don’t send because everyone knows that sending boys to the school means spoil them. That’s all. I have seen intelligent boys, they go to school and he is spoiled. Yes, spoiled. He learns how to smoke, how to have sex, how to talk nonsense, how to use knife, how to fight, these things. At least at the present moment. Yes. Simply slaughterhouse, this so-called school is called slaughterhouse. Yes, slaughterhouse.”
“Why should the parents not feel attachment for their children, that is natural. But our affection is not simply sentimental, we offer our children the highest opportunity to become trained up in Krsna consciousness very early so as to assure their success in this life to go back to Godhead for sure. That is real affection, to make sure my child gets back to Godhead, that is my real responsibility as a parent. And I have seen that Gurukula offers this opportunity more than any other place anywhere.” Letter to: Satyabhama — Hyderabad 23 March, 1973
Also refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection :
“Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction. Letter to: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana — Los Angeles 25 December, 1973.
Though there are some letters in 1968 where Srila Prabhupada is telling that you can read the books of previous acharyas but later on in 1970’s he forbade his disciples to refer to the instructions of previous acharyas bypassing his books and instructions. Whenever there is a conflict later instructions of the spiritual master supercede the earlier ones.
Now let us see the quotes of Srila Prabhupada one by one some of which you have repeated twice –
“One should distribute Vishnu-prasäda to everyone, including thepoor man, the blind man, the nondevotee and the non-brähmana. Knowing that Lord Vishnu is very pleased when everyone is sumptuously fed with Vishnu-prasäda, the performer of yajna should then take prasäda with his friends and relatives.” – Srimad Bhagavatam
Please note the line “the performer of yajna” in the above quote and if you read the verses in Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 8 Chapter 16 (Executing the Payovrata process of worship) which are given before this verse you will know that it becomes prasadam after it is cooked and offered to Lord Vishnu by a devotee and not by helper Geetha (mother of one), another helper Bhagya (mother of two), another helper Mamta (mother to her siblings), and Swapna (executive for quality who is mother to a puppy).
Please click here to watch the latest video which is promoting Akshay Patra on the T.V nowadays. It claims that “When a mother cooks for her children the food is bound to taste good as the main ingredients are love and care”. There is another comment below this video by officials of Akshay Patra which is as follows – “The mothers love is considered the purest form of love, that is the kind of love that goes into making our food too.”
But Srila Prabhupada informs us differently –
“The devotees of the Supreme Lord, or the persons who are in Krsna consciousness, are called santas, and they are always in love with the Lord as it is described in the Brahma-samhita: premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti. The santas, being always in a compact of love with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda (the giver of all pleasures), or Mukunda (the giver of liberation), or Krsna (the all-attractive person), cannot accept anything without first offering it to the Supreme Person. Therefore, such devotees always perform yajnas in different modes of devotional service, such as sravanam, kirtanam, smaranam, arcanam, etc., and these performances of yajnas keep them always aloof from all kinds of contamination of sinful association in the material world. Others, who prepare food for self or sense gratification, are not only thieves, but are also the eaters of all kinds of sins. How can a person be happy if he is both a thief and sinful? It is not possible. Therefore, in order for people to become happy in all respects, they must be taught to perform the easy process of sankirtana-yajna, in full Krsna consciousness. Otherwise, there can be no peace or happiness in the world.” Bhagavad Gita Chapter 3, Verse 14
SO THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE BHOGA WHICH IS BEING COOKED AND DISTRIBUTED BY AKSHAY PATRA IS NOT PRASADAM.
Let us see the following quote of Srila Prabhupada which you have given two times –
“It is the duty of a householder to feed first of all the children, the old members of the family, the brahmanas and the invalids. Besides that, an ideal householder is required to call for any unknown hungry man to come and dine before he himself goes to take his meals. He is required to call for such a hungry man thrice on the road. The neglect of this prescribed duty of a householder, especially in the matter of the old men and children, is unpardonable.” – Srila Prabhupada
Please mark the word “an ideal householder” in the above quote. You can search in the vedabase on the word “ideal householder” to see what Srila Prabhupada says about the qualities of an ideal householder who rises early in the morning, does mangal arati, chants the holy name, cooks for the Lord and then offers Him bhoga. Then they distribute this prasadam to the children, the old members etc. Is Swapna (executive for quality who is mother to a puppy) an ideal householder? Is Geetha or Bhagya ideal householders?
SO THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE BHOGA WHICH IS BEING COOKED AND DISTRIBUTED BY AKSHAY PATRA IS NOT PRASADAM
In answer to all other quotes of Srila Prabhpada refer to the following quotes again –
Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense.- Srila Prabhupada.
“So far your hired Brahmin cook, since we have our prasadam distribution program this may be necessary, but he must be clean, no smoking, and he must wear kunti beads. As far as possible he must follow our principles.” (Letter to: Giriraja—Tokyo, 23 April, 1972)
We cannot eat anything not offered to Krishna, and we cannot offer anything to Krishna which is not cooked by a devotee. ( Letter to: Jayapataka—Los Angeles,12 August, 1969)
And lastly please note the following line of the quotes of Srila Prabhupada which you have given –
“Everywhere. In the hospitals, charitable societies, Industrial places, everywhere – distribute this prasada and chant this Hare Krishna.
Please note the word “and chant Hare Krishna”
“The rich man should distribute prasadam through Krishna consciousness to the poor
Please note the words “through Krishna Consciousness“.
Prabhu, I again appeal to you to support and propogate the truth that this whole Akshay Patra program is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and hence not approved by him. We have all respect to the matajis shown in the video of A.P and the sincere efforts of A.P devotees in distributing food to the hungry but that way Mother Teresa also worked very sincerely, Mahatma Gandhi also worked very sincerely but our point is that it has nothing to do with the mission of Srila Prabhupada who appeared in the material world to make everyone happy by preaching pure Krishna Consciousness. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prahupada:
So we have to expose them. They are not leader; they are jackals. So jackals cannot anymore rule over. That should be our propaganda. Not only scientific, all political things, social things, everything. They should be all kicked out. They should be replaced by Kåñëa consciousness. Then people will be happy. This should be our program. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. (Morning Walk, May 3, 1973, Los Angeles)
Lastly I will point out to you that your thinking that Krishna Consciousness depends on food distribution is totally opposed to the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Please refer to the following quotes of Srila Prabhupada –
Prabhupada: God consciousness does not depend on distribution of food. It requires cultural education. It does not mean that one who has got enough food, he is God conscious. The food distribution is not one of the conditions for becoming God conscious. That is wrong project. “If people are given sufficient food, they will become God conscious” — that is not the fact. But people advance this theory, that “We are now economically distressed. We cannot turn our attention to God consciousness.” That is a wrong plea. God consciousness does not depend on any material condition. (Room Conversations — July 26, 1975, Laguna Beach)
So far prasāda distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor.That will be Karma Kānda. Our program therefore is that we offer prasāda to everyone. Make our temple so nice that everyone who comes is offered some prasāda. Not that we are after poor men. It is nice that we are feeding 200 daily, but gradually try to increase. But do not advertise, we shall be self-advertising.And do not go to poor areas, this is not our philosophy.Our philosophy is prasāda distribution, without discrimination rich or poor. (Letter to Girirāja: Honolulu 15 May 1972)
If you reconcile all these quotes along with the quotes which you have given, you will see that there is no contradiction and Srila Prabhupada is very clearly saying that Bhoga dsitribution is out of question, even prasdam distribution must be accompanied by sankirtan and spiritual instructions and we do not focus only on poor but our philosophy is that we give prasadam to everyone etc. It just requires a little intelligence to put everything together and understand the mood of the spiritual master.
Please think over it, it is not a question of winning or losing an argument but if we go against the teachings of Srila Prabhupada ultimately we will be the looser – spiritually. “Yasya Prasada Bhagavad Prasada, Yasya Aprasada Na Gati Kuto Pi”.
Your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Bharatarshabha Dasa <brd@hkm-group.org> wrote:
Satyamev Jayate
Bharatarshabha Dasa
Head E-presence,Communication & Public Relations,
ISKCON, Bangalore.
Sent from my HTC
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Hare krishna,
I think you know the meaning of Dayalu Nitai, I wouldn’t prefer to call you that because of your own actions.
Frankly, You have got it all wrong. Firstly Akshaya patra is feeding 1.4 million hungry children across india and children before eating they chant the holy name. Coming to common sense, Feed a hungry before preaching them about krishna, today Akshaya patra has created lot of devotees and impressed many more to know more about prabhupada and iskcon. That is the only reason many follow ISKCON Bangalore than your HKC (Virtually Anonymous) or GBC. I do have several quotes of prabhupada, Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati which tells us the importance of feeding a hungry.
[“One should distribute Vishnu-prasäda to everyone, including thepoor man, the blind man, the nondevotee and the non-brähmana. Knowing that Lord Vishnu is very pleased when everyone is sumptuously fed with Vishnu-prasäda, the performer of yajna should then take prasäda with his friends and relatives.” – Srimad Bhagavatam]
[“This prasadam distribution item is very, very important, and it is so much pleasing to me that in the beginning so many children are coming for taking prasadam, and that supply of rice has come automatically. Please continue this program rigidly. By prasadam distribution you will do service to the Lord, and the public will be pleased upon you as well.” – Srila Prabhupada]
“Those who think that devotion to God and kindness to the jivas are mutually different from each other, and perform accordingly in their life, such persons will not be able to follow the devotional culture. Their performance is only a semblance of devotion. Therefore, all the types of beneficence to others, like kindness, friendliness, forgiveness, charity, respect, etc. are included in Bhakti. Charity of medicines, clothes, food, water, etc. shelter during adversities, teaching of academic and spiritual education, etc. are the activities included in the devotional culture” -Bhaktivinoda Thakura
“Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated June 25, 1975 and have noted the contents. The Gurukula and poor feeding programs should be developed…” – Srila Prabhupada
[”To help the poor, fallen, and guests according to one’s ability isthe desire of the auspicious creator. If you exhibit indifference in such activities, then you will certainly incur sin.” – Bhaktivinoda Thakur]
[“They should not consider that giving charity to the poor is a fruitful activity. This kind of mentality shall make their hearts hardand they will suffer of greed.” – Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati]
“The rich man should distribute prasadam through Krishna consciousness to the poor man, and the poor man should not be envious of the rich man. Then there will be happiness prosperity.” – Srila Prabhupada
“It is the duty of a householder to feed first of all the children, the old members of the family, the brahmanas and the invalids. Besides that, an ideal householder is required to call for any unknown hungry man to come and dine before he himself goes to take his meals. He is required to call for such a hungry man thrice on the road. The neglect of this prescribed duty of a householder, especially in the matter of the old men and children, is unpardonable.” – Srila Prabhupada
[“Educating children is a very important service.” – Bhaktivinoda Thakur]
[“Therefore whenever the food is ready, the householder should call out for hungry persons.” – Bhaktivinoda Thakur]
“That prasadam is also Isa [God]. The prasadam accepted by Krishna, offered to Krishna, is also Krishna. So if we give prasadam, then he is getting the opportunity of associating with Krishna. This is our idea. But people very much appreciate poor-feeding. So that, you can take it.” – Srila Prabhupada
“Just like poor-feeding. This program we also follow. In our temple, especially in India, any man can come and take his food. Yes. We have got arrangement.” – Srila Prabhupada
[“In the scriptures it is directed that after preparing food the householder should go to his door and call out three times for persons who have not eaten.” – Bhaktivinoda Thakur]
“Generally people make a plea that why are there so many hungry and naked. So we invite all hungry and naked people to come to us and we will give them food and clothing and Krishna consciousness as well. This will attract the general public and there will never be any shortage of food-stuffs, so continue regularly. In Bombay there are many generous persons who like food distribution programs, and actually, our temple should be the via media for feeding the poor with food and spiritual knowledge.” – Srila Prabhupada
“Just like feeding the poor. It is also yajna. But the same thing, if it is dovetailed in consciousness, that becomes perfect. People are very much inclined to feed the poor with sumptuous food, but it can be done in a little different way, that the foodstuff offered to Vishnu,prasada, that distribution foodstuff is better than ordinary distribution of foodstuff. Ordinarily, that is punya, pious activities, but when it is connection with Krishna, this is called yajna.” – Srila Prabhupada
[“If the householders become habituated to give in charity in this way then by the combine charity of the householders a great auspicious activity can be performed.”– Bhaktivinoda Thakur]
“Everywhere. In the hospitals, charitable societies, Industrial places,everywhere – distribute this prasada and chant this Hare Krishna. Just see what is the result. You want peace? These are the processes of peace.” – Srila Prabhupada
bhuktavatsu ca sarveṣu
dīnāndha-kṛpaṇādiṣu
viṣṇos tat prīṇanaṁ vidvān
bhuñjīta saha bandhubhiḥ
“One should distribute viṣṇu-prasāda to everyone, including the poor man, the blind man, the nondevotee and the non-brāhmaṇa. Knowing that Lord Viṣṇu is very pleased when everyone is sumptuously fed with viṣṇu-prasāda, the performer of yajña should then take prasāda with his friends and relatives.” (SB 8.16.56)
geyaṁ gītā nāma sahasraṁ
dhyeyaṁ śrīpati rūpamajasram |
neyaṁ sajjana saṇge cittaṁ
deyaṁ dīnajanāya ca vittam || 28 ||
“The Bhagavad Gita and the Vishnu Sahasranama should be sung; the form of the lord of Lakshmi (Vishnu) should always be meditated on; the mind should be led to the company of the saintly; and your wealth should be distributed in charity to the poor and the needy.” (Bhaja Govindam, Text 28)
In the writings of Bhaktivinoda Thakur we find the same instruction conveyed:
“It is an utmost duty of every householder to honor his guests, help the poor and fallen, and try to associate with saintly persons. Due to the lack of proper education and training nowadays people do not consider honoring guests and helping the poor as a duty.”
“It is a duty of every householder to serve the guest who has no shelter and help the fallen and poor according to their capacity. One cannot estimate how many people take shelter of the householders for help due to so many reasons. To help the poor, fallen, and guests according to one’s ability is the desire of the auspicious creator. If you exhibit indifference in such activities, then you will certainly incur sin.”
The same thing is repeated in Srila Prabhupada’s Srimad Bhagavatam purport (1.14.43):
“It is the duty of a householder to feed first of all the children, the old members of the family, the brahmanas and the invalids. Besides that, an ideal householder is required to call for any unknown hungry man to come and dine before he himself goes to take his meals. He is required to call for such a hungry man thrice on the road. The neglect of this prescribed duty of a householder, especially in the matter of the old men and children, is unpardonable.”
Dharmesh, I can provide you lot more quotes which again and again tell us to feed the poor first before preaching him. Krishna prasadam is nothing different than krishna, when we eat prasadam, it purified our body.
I would request you to come to bangalore on specific date so that i can fly and meet you in ISKCON Bangalore itself. You really need to see Akshaya patra and taste krishna prasadam. It will help you to understand more about krishna and prabhupada.
Yours in the direction of Truth,
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dharmesh Sharma <dayalunitai108@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Devotee (Administrator of Iskcon Truth),
PAMHO. AGTSP.
Lot of speculation from your side about my intent behind writing mails to MPP regarding the situation in Jaipur. Anyway I will continue speaking the truth weather it is liked by you or not.
The truth goes like this. After reading the article written by “Prabhupadanuga Devotees of Hare Krishna Community”, it is very clear that this whole Akshay Patra program is not in line with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and hence not authorized by him. I will be eager to hear from you about what you have to say about the following section which I have copied from this article (please note that it is filled with words of Srila Prabhupada which are all truth) –
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“If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.” (Letter to: Gurudasa, Honolulu,13 May, 1972)
Let us see some more quotes of Srila Prabhupada which will throw more light as to what is the actual desire of His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada with regard to prasadam distribution program –
We can organize for distribution of prasadam all over India, in factories, schools, and so on. If we simply have kirtana and distribute nice prasadam, everywhere there will be good respect for us. So I hope you will stick very closely to this matter of acquiring surplus foodstuffs from your government and seeing to it that the food is distributed widely throughout India by our Krishna Consciousness devotees. (Letter to: Gurudasa—Los Angeles, 12 June, 1972)
Sometimes the IB group of devotees justify their “bhoga distribution program” by stating the following quote of Srila Prabhupada:
“Now I am especially concerned to distribute grains, rice, wheat in the form of dahl and rice prasadam to hungry people all over India. The people here are very disturbed because, partly due to the punishment of Nature, and partly due to the mismanagement of the demon class of men, food is not available. If the people do not even have sufficient food they will not even be able to receive spiritual instructions. So I am hopeful that if we can widely distribute free foodstuffs to the people of India, by giving it out at our centers as well as by travelling parties to villages, we will win over the whole country and the whole world by this activity on Krsna’s behalf. (Letter to: Satyahit—Vrindaban, 16 March, 1974)
Please note, here also Srila Prabhupada is again saying that the main idea to distribute sufficient food is to give them facility to receive spiritual instructions.He has already stated previously “Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense.” On the contrary A.P’s food is cooked and distributed by mostly karmis and vikarmis. Moreover to get land and money from the Government A.P has compromised that they will not use the word “KRISHNA” or anything to do with religion anywhere in their whole program what to speak of giving spiritual instructions.
Sometimes the IB group of devotees justify their employing of professionals who are karmis and vikarmis for cooking and distributing Prasadam by stating the following quote of Srila Prabhupada:
“In the Sankirtana festival pandal if a very big kitchen arrangement can be made, then we shall distribute prasadam daily. Try to make this arrangement. Puri, halava, kitri—whatever can be arranged as much as possible. Tamala Krishna and Giriraja have all the ideas. Some professional men should be engaged 24 hours preparing prasadam. There are many volunteer organizations in Calcutta. They should come forward and help us distribute prasadam.” (Letter to Jayapatka Maharaj, Bombay,24 April, 1971)
But there are other quotes of Srila Prabhupada where he is specifying the standard of these professional cooks and the conditions in which this Prasadam is to be distributed –
“So far your hired Brahmin cook, since we have our prasadam distribution program this may be necessary, but he must be clean, no smoking, and he must wear kunti beads. As far as possible he must follow our principles.” (Letter to: Giriraja—Tokyo, 23 April, 1972)
Mahāṁṣa: Some people I know, they said that yesterday the prasādam was not nice
Prabhupāda: Not nice, it is not eatable even by the dogs. But you are less than the dogs if you (prepare) such thing. I was surprised. You allowed a sweeper to cook. I was surprised. We have distribution prasädam, not dog’s food. Such rascals as here. You do not know. I do not wish to discuss anymore on this point. You have murdered the whole thing in two days. ( Room Conversation on Farm Management, December 10, 1976, Hyderabad)
We cannot eat anything not offered to Krishna, and we cannot offer anything to Krishna which is not cooked by a devotee. (Letter to: Jayapataka—Los Angeles,12 August, 1969)
Please note that Srila Prabhupada wants that if we hire professional cooks they should be following our principles as far as possible, wear tilak, kanthi mala, food distribution should be accompanied by sankirtan and giving spiritual instructions, distribution should be done by Krishna Conscious devotees etc etc. – A.P is violating all these rules and still they are claiming that this program is approved by Srila Prabhupada.
your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
p.s
By the way my initiated name is Dayalu Nitai Das and not Dharmesh which is my karmi name.
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Administrator <admin@iskcontruth.com> wrote:
Hare Krishna Dharmesh,
Wow, your kind message was so beautifully written that i realized few wonderful things.
Prabhupada’s Quote “Even he remains silent, we shall speak very loudly and expose these bogus men” and as you know ISKCON Truth is doing the same thing. I did receive mail from both iskcon bangalore and HKC and i really wonder who is going wrong. Well! your mail clearly says how much grudge you have on iskcon bangalore people. I mailed you because many of iskcon devotees mailed me asking who is correct. I was frustrated because both or you are working for a good cause that is working against bogus guru system in iskcon and working towards replacing prabhupada as the only guru. When i read your mail, i was surprised the way you responded to things which are not related to the subject also how cheap it is for you to say or indirectly say not to listen from MPP and CCP. You know frankly now i am understanding who is going wrong. In the articles published in prabhupadanugas.eu you have mentioned lot about ISKCON Bangalore’ Akshaya patra. You know why you have a grudge on APF, because you cannot do anything big like that. For your kind info, I have worked in Akshaya Patra and trust me even MPP or CCP dont know about it. I have seen it close and personal with full details on finance management, food management and many more and frankly i can tell you that these are cheap tricks you are playing by publishing false information. You were an X-member of ISKCON Bangalore and now you have a cheap grudge on them. Also I think, you get money from this GBC to attack ISKCON Bangalore because of the false statements you have used in those articles. You talk about High Court Order, Frankly I have pin to pin details on the same and whatever you have accused is False. Some of your tails accusing ISKCON Truth saying we support ISKCON Bangalore. Well! you are wrong, we support only prabhupad. ISKCON Truth never focused on HKC, well! congrats we will keep your tracks too.
Your grudges never work dharmesh and this is my warning, ISKCON Truth has pulled lot truths hidden inside iskcon and its a easy to get hidden stories of HKC and particularity you. ISKCON Truth is requesting to stop this online war and please never show your grudge. I can publish your mail right now and show the world how much grudge you have.
Remembering your History, you were once with MPP and CCP.
Trust me, HKC should focus on krishna and prabhupada and they will help you. Grudges never will.
Dharmesh, iskcon truth’s sincere request to stop online wars immediately because many of the devotees are loosing hope on iskcon.
Yours in the path of truth,
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Dharmesh Sharma <dayalunitai108@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Devotee (Administrator of Iskcon Truth),
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thanks for your letter to me as well as MPD,CPD,BRD and Prabhupadanuga.eu. I am replying to all.
You wrote :
“I am a person who used to see prabhupada in your lectures but today I have fallen even more because these small issues. From almost 15 years i have grown up listening to MPDs and CCDs lectures and that is what inspired me to iskcon and prabhupada but today i am frustrated seeing only fights with no devotion in it. Have you all forgotten that we are inside prabhupada’s moment?”
Prabhu I want to humbly point out to you that I think this is the mistake you did – “trying to see Prabhupada in MPP and CPP’s lectures” instead of seeing Srila Prabhupada directly in his lectures. There are around 2000 recorded lectures, 1400 conversations, 6500 letters, 80 volumes of books and hundreds of videos of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada available.
I understand that Srila Prabhupada also authorized devotees to take Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad Gita classes so one can hear these classes provided the speaker is speaking what Srila Prabhupada spoke.Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada:
Everyone can become a first class speaker. Simply cram the purports of my books. The references are there, the philosophy is there.”Letter to: Gopijanavallabha,Vrindaban,19 September, 1974
But other than that we should spend time hearing Srila Prabhupada directly from the tapes.
Here, I have implemented this rule that all the devotees have Srila Prabhupada’s lectures, morning walks etc. loaded in their mobiles and they are always hearing them. Also we have direct classes of Srila Prabhupada on S.B and B.G, the S.B and B.G classes are also given by devotees but they speak strictly from the purports written by His Divine Grace. The result is that the devotees Krishna consciousness is improving by leaps and bounds.
Please refer to the following quotes of Srila Prabhupada –
Interviewer: I think the first question is kind of basic, is why is everything always taped at all the…
Prabhupada: Because we have got so many branches, they want to hear me, my singing, my speech,therefore they record it and send it to different branches.
(Interview February 1, 1968, Los Angeles).
Reading or hearing from the realized person there is no difference, but hearing the sound vibration from the realized soul is still more effective, better.
(Srila Prabhupada letter tp Punjabi Premanand, 16th October, 1976).
You can also read one book “All of us should hear Prabhupada” written by devotees of Prabhupada Sankirtan Society. It has lot of quotes of Srila Prabhupada stressing the importance of hearing from a pure devotee.
You also wrote:
“This will effect lives of many devotees who are in the service of his divine grace.”
Though in the beginning the devotees may get little disturbed like your good self but in the long run their lives will be affected for better as they will come closer to Srila Prabhupada and his original teachings. I know there will be some pain in the beginning when the illusion is broken but after that there will be great relief just like after a painful surgical operation the patient feels so much relief.
So, in conclusion I think you should also support and propagate the truth. It will do good to you and others. Articles like this written by Prabhupadanuga devotees of Hare Krishna Community are very pleasing to His Divine Grace. Please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada :
“Even he remains silent, we shall speak very loudly and expose these bogus men. Let our philosophy be challenged by anyone and we shall defeat them. I want that you distribute our books very widely, as many as possible, then people will get the right information. (Letter to Hiranyagarbha das,22 November, 1971,Delhi)”
your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Administrator <admin@iskcontruth.com> wrote:
Hare Krishna,
Dear Madhu Pandit Prabhu, Chanchal Pati Prabhu, Bharatashabha Dasa and Dayalu Nitai Prabhu,
Iskcon is Srila Prabhupada’s home and I am seriously sad to see such ridiculous things happening between you people. I am a very small person to mail you devotees, I am a person who used to see Prabhupada in your lectures but today I have fallen even more because these small issues. From almost 15 years i have grown up listening to MPDs and CCDs lectures and that is what inspired me to iskcon and Prabhupada but today i am frustrated seeing only fights with no devotion in it. Have you all forgotten that we are inside Prabhupada’s moment?
If there is any issue please sit and sort it out than spitting venom all over the web, This will effect lives of many devotees who are in the service of his divine grace.
Prabhupadanugas and ISKCON Bangalore was once supporting each other but today fighting online like you have a point to prove. Sit in front of Krishna and ask him for solution, he is in your heart, he will tell you.
Please requesting you to sit and discuss issues than spitting venom online without any gains.
Trust me because of these fights, real devotees will be deviated and Prabhupada will never like that. Stop fights and save Prabhupada’s house.
Most Fallen Servant of His Divine grace,
Yours in the service of Guru and Gauranga,
ISKCON TRUTH
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PQPA 6
Srila Prabhupada: Oh, India, India. Don’t talk of India! Talk of philosophy. If there is not devotion, Krsna does not accept anything, either in India or in your country. Lord Krsna is not obliged to accept anything costly because it is very tasty. Krsna has very many tasteful dishes in Vaikuntha. He is not hankering after your food. HE ACCEPTS YOUR DEVOTION, BHAKTI. THE REAL THING IS DEVOTION, NOT THE FOOD. KRSNA DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FOOD OF THIS MATERIAL WORLD. HE ACCEPTS ONLY THE DEVOTION.
patram puspam phalam toyam
yo me bhaktya prayacchati
tad aham bhakty-upahrtam
asnami prayatatmanah
[“If one offers Me WITH LOVE AND DEVOTION a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.”] “Because it has been offered to Me with devotion and love”—that is required. THEREFORE WE DO NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO COOK WHO IS NOT A DEVOTEE. KRSNA DOES NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM THE HANDS OF A NONDEVOTEE. WHY SHOULD HE ACCEPT? HE IS NOT HUNGRY. He does not require any food. He accepts only the devotion, that’s all. That is the main point. So one has to become a devotee. Not a good cook. But if he is a devotee, then he will be a good cook also. Automatically he will become a good cook. Therefore one has to become a devotee only. Then all other good qualifications will automatically be there. And if he is a nondevotee, any good qualifications have no value. He is on the mental plane, so he has no good qualification.
SPL 68-03-22 BALAI DASI
Yes, you may say the prayer to the Spiritual Master 3 times, and also the Namo Brahmanya . . . prayer 3 times, when offering Prasadam. That is very nice to say the mantra 3 times. Also, you may, after offering to the Spiritual Master, offer to Lord Caitanya by saying the prayer, Namo Maha Badanyaya . . . 3 times, and then offer to Krishna thrice.
Note: the system here is to offer to Srila Prabhupada (THE Spiritual master) FIRST.
The concoction of offering Krsna first is NOT the accepted standard.
SPL 68-05-28 HARER NAMA
Regarding your 2 questions: For offering prasadam simply prayers to the Spiritual Master is sufficient. THE PROCESS IS THAT EVERYTHING IS OFFERED TO THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS SUPPOSED TO OFFER THE SAME FOODSTUFF TO THE LORD. WHEN A THING IS OFFERED TO THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE IMMEDIATELY OFFERS TO THE LORD. THAT IS THE SYSTEM, AND AS WE COME BY PARAMPARA SYSTEM, IT IS OUR DUTY TO GO THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNEL–NAMELY, FIRST THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, THEN LORD CAITANYA, AND THEN KRISHNA. So when we chant prayers, we do this, Bande ham Sri Guru . . . and gradually to the Goswamis, then to Lord Caitanya, and then to Radha Krishna. That is the praying system. BUT OFFERING THE PRASADAM TO PRESENT EVERYTHING BEFORE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER WHOSE PICTURE IS ALSO IN THE ALTAR, MEANS THAT THE SPIRITUAL MASTER WILL TAKE CARE OF OFFERING THE FOODSTUFF TO THE LORD. THEREFORE SIMPLY BY CHANTING THE PRAYER TO THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, EVERYTHING WILL BE COMPLETE.
OFFERING PRASADAM PROCESS
Our Srila Prabhupada AUTHORISED process for offering prasadam is to say three times each of the following prayers:
1
nama-om-visnu-padaya-krsna-presthya-bhu-tale
srimate-BHAKTIVEDANTA-svamin-iti-namine
namas-te-SARASVATE-deve-gaura-vani-pracarine
nirvisesa-suniyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine
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namo-maha-vadanyaya
Krsna-prema-pradaya te
Krsnaya Krsna-caitanya-
namine gaura-tvise namah
3
namo brahmanya-devaya
go-brahamana-hitya ca
jagad-dithaya Krsnaya
govindaya namo namah
Shame on this Bogus ISKCON TRUTH Portal !! Their standard policy is to ignore/block/delete/Threaten anyone and everyone who speaks boldy truth/Prabhupad vani on their face . Shame on such [snipped by webmaster] !!.
They are paid servants of ISKCON BANGALORE and nothing else !! They dont have anything to do with the TRUTH ..Simply obeys what their masters tell them to .. PURE 100% UNADULTERATED SHUDRAS !!
Many devotees have had the same experience with ISKCON TRUTH (a misnomer), They cant even hear Srila Prabhupada’s words !! Shameless [snipped by webmaster] !!
I am just laughing because prabhupadanugas.EU saw the whole set of arguments but published the part of darmesh conversation. The fellow has lots and lots of grudge and that’s the only truth. You can publish the selected part of the mail but iskcon truth never lied and never ever shown grudge on anyone. Dayalu is a cheat, truth will be reviled very soon on iskcon truth
[webmaster: Not correct, we didn’t snip anything out from the forwarded mail conversation. Did something get unintentionally lost during the several replies? Then kindly specify what exactly you consider to be missing.]
Anyone can see Prabhupadaanuga.eu doesnt censhorship truth, they have also published ISKCON TRUTH’s comments unlike ISKCON TRUTH who delete/block anyone and everyone who doesnt agree with them .
ISKCON TRUTH can you answer why you have blocked me ? Just beacause I posted the below words of Srila Prabhupåda in one of your thread and you ended up blocking me and deleting the thread itself. It has happened numerous time with many devotees ..
I really wonder do you have any ethics at all ?
“ISKCON TRUTH posted a thread and when I commented on the same, they deleted my comment and blocked me.
Anyone can see that below comment in no way derogatory or violating Vaishnava etiquette . They are so biased that they can not even stand Srila Prabhupada’s words now!!
My Comment which was deleted and blocked !!
“ISKCON TRUTH Thread Post : When you see a hungry child , would you feed him Krishna prasadam or try to preach Bhagwad Gita or Prabhupada ”
“Hare krishna,
Its a great service to freely distribute krishna prasadam to children and to society in general. It would be very pleasing to Srila Prabhupada.
But the caveat here is that, it should be Krishna Prasadam, not simply food distribution.
Food distribution to hungry is a philanthropic ,fruitful activity and there is nothing transcendental about it.
Let us see what Srila Prabhupada says about distributing food:
“If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. Spiritual education and food, that is proper. Simply supplying food is nonsense. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.”
(Letter to: Gurudasa, Honolulu,13 May, 1972)
Prabhupada: God consciousness does not depend on distribution of food. It requires cultural education. It does not mean that one who has got enough food, he is God conscious. The food distribution is not one of the conditions for becoming God conscious. That is wrong project. “If people are given sufficient food, they will become God conscious” — that is not the fact. But people advance this theory, that “We are now economically distressed. We cannot turn our attention to God consciousness.” That is a wrong plea. God consciousness does not depend on any material condition.
Room Conversations — July 26, 1975, Laguna Beach
The Akshay Patra Organization is distributing “food” to lacs of children , this is not transcendental activity as per Srila Prabhupada . Of course , it is pious and fruitful activity but not spiritual. Srila Prabhupad would have not sanctioned such an idea as he himself said”God consciousness does not depend on distribution of food”.
Please see the following lines which are put beneath Srila Prabhupada’s photo on each van of A.P –
“Program for distributing free food to support education.”
In another place following lines are mentioned :
“To fulfill the great desire of Srila Prabhupada to distribute food to the hungry”.
My objection is that if you want to do philanthropic activity, go ahead and do it but please don’t do it in good name of Srila Prabhupada and stop portraying him as mundane philanthropist who wants to eradicate hunger.
Jai Srila Prabhupada ! ”
https://www.facebook.com/groups/622697731117430/permalink/705832099470659/
ISKCON TRUTH Says “The fellow has lots and lots of grudge and that’s the only truth” . Such a childish argument ..again with no Proof what so ever.
This portal has zero credibility.
They say they will “publish truth without editing or censorship”? But they have deleted ALL the comments which question IB/AP (even those which are only Prabhupada’s quotes) AND they have blocked those devotees from commenting. Unbelievable hypocrisy and duplicity. Who are these cheaters who run ‘ISKCON Truth’ websites?
They have not been able to respond to 28 facts which were recently exposed Akshay Patra.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42082
They published Tim Lee’s “Truth Revealed” article which is nothing but crazed ranting, blatant lies and offensive slander! . When i asked them for proof , they said Tim Lee’s has every right to write an article ..lol
and after that they deleted the entire thread, all comments and no-proof was provided to justifies the lies of that article . Of course no proof exists !!
Hare Krsna to All
As I read these mails, anyone who is truthful with himself and try to follow the Prabhupada can understand that Dayalu Nitai Das Prabhu says absolutely right and confirm with Prabhupada quotas. There is no need to confusion than what happens wrong with so called ISKCON TRUTH, may be Suren is right.
Jai Srila Prabhupada
Dear Iskcon Truth Admin,
Pamho. Agtsp.
You wrote:
“I am just laughing because prabhupadanugas.EU saw the whole set of arguments but published the part of darmesh conversation. The fellow has lots and lots of grudge and that’s the only truth. You can publish the selected part of the mail but iskcon truth never lied and never ever shown grudge on anyone. Dayalu is a cheat, truth will be reviled very soon on iskcon truth.”
THIS IS UNTRUTH. ALL the mails which have been exchanged between me and Iskcon Truth have been published in chronological order starting from the last mail which was sent by me to Iskcon truth down to the first mail which was sent by Iskcon Truth to me.
During this exchange of mails there was one mail from Bhartashrabha Das (Head E-presence, Communication & Public Relations, Iskcon Bangalore) on Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:13 PM,
comprising only of 2 words “Satyamev Jayate”, even that has been reproduced as it is. NOT A SINGLE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED from this entire thread. So I do not understand on what basis Iskcon Truth Admin is putting the false charge on Prabupadanugas.eu that mails have been reproduced partially.
And as far as the following words from Iskcon Truth that “Dayalu is a cheat, truth will be reviled very soon on iskcon truth” confirms the title of this article “Iskcon Truth.com threatens HKC and Dayalu Ntiai to stop speaking the truth.”
At this point I would like to tell Iskcon Truth admin that he can print whatever he likes about me on his web site but at least he should give me a chance to speak and then let the readers decide who is upholding the truth. I again request Iskcon Truth not to block me as he has been doing with many other devotees who want to speak the truth from the original teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
Moreover, please refer to the following quote of Srila Prabhupada in this connection:
“I may be rascal, but because I am receiving knowledge from the perfect, whatever we speak, that is perfect” -Room Conversation, September 2, 1973, London
So we will keep speaking the truth from the perfect which is as follows –
“If we open a branch in Madras, actually there are so many poor children there. SPIRITUAL EDUCATION AND FOOD, THAT IS PROPER. SIMPLY SUPPLYING FOOD IS NONSENSE. Spiritual education means just to inject in their ears about our philosophy, externally they chant beads, wear tilak, without any discrimination of Hindu or Muslim or anything.”
(Letter to: Gurudasa, Honolulu,13 May, 1972)
“So far your hired Brahmin cook, since we have our prasadam distribution program this may be necessary, but he must be clean, no smoking, and he must wear kunti beads. As far as possible he must follow our principles.”
Letter to: Giriraja—Tokyo, 23 April, 1972
So far prasāda distribution, it is not a question of rich or poor. THAT WILL BE KARMA KANDA. Our program therefore is that we offer prasāda to everyone. Make our temple so nice that everyone who comes is offered some prasāda. Not that we are after poor men. It is nice that we are feeding 200 daily, but gradually try to increase. But do not advertise, we shall be self-advertising. AND DO NOT GO TO THE POOR AREAS, THIS IS NOT OUR PHILOSOPHY. Our philosophy is prasāda distribution, without discrimination rich or poor.
(Letter to Girirāja: Honolulu 15 May 1972)
I do not understand why devotees want to cover the truth that “Iskcon Bangalore group of temples are deviating from many original teachings of Srila Prabhupada.” What good it will do specially in a scenario when IB leaders are neither ready to talk about it nor rectify these deviations.
your servant,
Dayalu Nitai Das.
If this foodstuffs is ”prasadam”, how can you offer POISON (GM FOOD) to the Spiritual Master? If you offer cyanide to the Spiritual Master does that transform it into prasadam? Is distributing such toxic foodstuffs ‘philanthropic’ or just an opportunity to use innocent children as lab rats in a conspiracy by Multinational Corporations like Monsanto to control and manipulate the Worlds food supply. This foodstuff distribution is NOT EVEN ON THE PLATFORM OF PHILANTHROPY it is in a third category. In most educated western countries people wouldn’t give this GM food to their dog, that is why they are pushing this rubbish onto the poorest Indians.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am amazed to see how the admin/admins at ISKCON “Truth” is/are replying.
Why this deleting/blocking of comments if you are standing for TRUTH ?
Iskcon Truth wrote : ““Your grudges never work dharmesh and this is my warning, ISKCON Truth has pulled lot truths hidden inside iskcon and its a easy to get hidden stories of HKC and particularity you. ISKCON Truth is requesting to stop this online war and please never show your grudge. I can publish your mail right now and show the world how much grudge you have””.
This is utter nonsense. For whom you are waiting if there are “hidden stories” ? Why you waited so long ? Have you ever warned Bogus GBC before exposing ? This means you are going to publish some false stories as it came upon you.
Now admin/admins at ISKCON “Truth”are exposed to everyone.
Devotees here in this open forum can see WHO HAS GRUDGE ?
Your servant
Tushar Tyagi
A very nice article from Hare Krsna Community exposing AP and IB. We should note these lines
“Though in the beginning the devotees may get little disturbed like your good self but in the long run their LIVES WILL be affected for better as they will come closer to Srila Prabhupada and his original teachings. I know there will be some pain in the beginning when the illusion is broken but after that there will be great relief just like after a painful surgical operation the patient feels so much relief.”
After reading all 28 points of the deviations of IB (WITH PROOF) many devotees will ask questions to AP and IB and they have to answer. They are using the hard earned money of the general public and devotees. they are liable to answer. But what they do is to block/ delete/ ignore people who ask a question or who don’t agree with them. But how many people are you going to ignore, block ? HKC doesn’t have a problem with AP or IB but with those 28 points, Have some Vaishnav etiquette TALK, organize istagosthi. Otherwise this won’t stop UNTIL YOU STOP. Hare Krsna! Jai Srila Prabhupad! “Krsna mati rastu”
AND THE JUDGE WAS DOZING.
750730SB.DAL Lectures
There was one story. It is not story; it is fact, that two pleaders were talking about the activities of a criminal, AND THE JUDGE WAS DOZING. So his clerk said, “Sir, you are dozing. The two big lawyers, they are arguing, and what they will say?” That means he warned. THE JUDGE SAID, “I HAVE ALREADY MADE MY JUDGMENT. LET THEM GO ON TALKING.” So actually, it is done. A very important judge, he, by hearing the preliminary points of the case, he makes his judgment. BUT BECAUSE THE TWO LAWYERS WANT TO FIGHT, BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID FOR THAT, SO THEY GO ON FIGHTING. BUT THE JUDGE, HE HAS ALREADY CONCLUDED WHAT JUDGMENT SHOULD BE GIVEN. SIMILARLY, YAMARAJA IS JUDGE. HE HAS GOT EVERYTHING RECORDED IN HIS MIND OF A SINFUL MAN’S ACTIVITIES IN THE PAST. SO IMMEDIATELY HE DECIDES THAT “THIS SOUL SHOULD BE GIVEN SUCH AND SUCH BODY.” SO WE ARE GETTING BODY.
In another place, in the Third Canto, I think, it is described, karmana daiva-netrena. We are acting in different way. We are not independent. This is foolishness. Just like an outlaw. He is thinking that he is free from the jurisdiction of state laws, and he is working irresponsibly, but when he is arrested, then he has no independence. He has to undergo the punishment. Similarly, in this life we may think very independent, “Whatever we like, we can do.” That is foolishness. You cannot do that. If you do it wilfully, then you will be punished. That they do not know. Punished means by a different body. If a man, human being, is punished to stand up like as a tree for five thousand years, just imagine how much great punishment it is. And that is possible. Just like in the sastra it is stated that those who want to remain naked, they are punished in the next life to become tree, that “You wanted to be naked. Now you stand naked.” The trees, they do not dress; neither they have the opportunity. Nobody goes to dress them. So they stand naked for so many hundreds and thousands of years. This punishment is awaiting. Human being is not supposed to be naked. That is civilization. They must cover. But if one wilfully does not cover, becomes as dull as the tree, then he gets the next body as tree. This is punishment. Otherwise, wherefrom all these living entities are coming? They have no calculation. They are thinking that “I shall remain in this human form of beautiful body and in opulent…” No, changing. Tatha dehantara-praptih. You have to change your body according to the decision of superior authority, daiva-netrena. We should always remember it.
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Verdict: No prasadam is karma kanda activity it binds the soul to the material world in the cycle of birth and death.
Hare Krishna all great Vaishnava devotee!
PAMHO,AGTSP,
You know what is root causes of this unwanted debate between AP?IB verses HKC? Lacking of fund and man power(devotee), requires for big big project, except real project of His Divine Grace’s great project-DAM!! Of course, HKC also have presented word Varnasrama on their BIG gyan institution logo, but they have not clearly ideas what is foundation of DAVM and how it can be achieve! All superficially doing, both are, IB/AP or HKC!!
Still I think No problem! I have solution! I have deep practical research work of 25 years!! HKC is trying copy it, as I had show then earlier!
So, my request stop this unwanted thing, call me, I will provide what is exact pious solution to obtain billion of fund, thousand of devotee man power in the exact instruction ed line of Srila Prabhupada for your fulfill your various “ambitious” projects.
servant’s of all of you(really)
Bhaktvtsal das, Jaisalmer.
Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Below are the comments by ISKCON ‘Truth’ on facebook page. anybody can understand what is his standard of consciousness.
———————————————- “Did I defend myself? Well! For years we have published lot of things… Where were u or ur crazy darmesh? Did he come and support anti-guru issues within iskcon. For years we are fighting but you are just hanging on to dayalus tail.
“Yeah well done devotees of the crazy dayalu…
See dayalu can always talk or quote but he has a grudge because he didn’t get AP Jaipur under him. Does any body try to even hear about this? No. The quotes what he has used is fine but come on his example videos are dumb. He just wants 1.4 million kids to go hungry ”
“Prabhupadanugas.EU is just a puppet in the hands of dayalu. Do you know his history? I was shocked to know. Wait for few days, you will know the real hidden history of Darmesh or dayalu “—————————————–
No philosophy , no etiquette. If these kind of devotees will represent Prabhupada , what will happen to good name of Prabhupada. Better they stop calling themselves Prabhupadanugas.
Hare Krishna Bhakavatsala Prabhu,
It is nice to know that you have done deep practical research for 25 years. Where is your daivi varnasrama community located? How many devotees are living there?Can you send me some links of your preaching work and your community of devotees?
yours,
Bhakta John.
After all, It is nice to hear from Shriman Dayalu Nitai Das what he says:
” I do not understand why devotees want to cover the truth that “Iskcon Bangalore group of temples are deviating from many original teachings of Srila Prabhupada.” What good it will do specially in a scenario when IB leaders are neither ready to talk about it nor rectify these deviations. ”
DND Prabhu, as a Leader , you own your mistake and take the necessary steps to correct it because you are a conditioned Jiva, nevertheless.
And the same way, IB and AP. Leader or Leaders own their mistake and take the necessary steps to correct it because they are also conditioned Jivas as well.
Is it NOT true ?
It is indeed very enlightened to know and read on this public forum about these mistakes are being done by the varieties of Leaders of different groups who are trying to serve the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada according to their best abilities under the strong influence of the mode of material nature.
DND Prabhu, perhaps, you are situated more towards Satto guna mixed with Rajo guna etc. and other leaders of Prabhupadanuga groups such as IB and AP. leaders may not be on the same platform as you are.
Does that make you look better ?
If it does, then, please continue playing the blame game as long as you wish because you do not have any control over other leaders but to yourself.
As the saying goes ; ” Action speaks louder than the voice “.
More later.
Hope it meets you well, Prabhu.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
I don’t think most people are seeing the bigger picture here, that AP is just another ‘arm’ and project of US Multinational Corporations trying to make inroads into India with the express purpose of exploiting the general population and “fattening the pockets” of Administrators be it Government Officials of ISKCON Bangalore (amongst many others). As I have said before it is NOT even ‘PHILANTHROPY’ to use poor children as ‘lab rats’ by supplying them with (GM) food that persons in Western Countries would not feed to a dog or oral polio vaccines that have already PARALISED over 47,000 persons.
the British also exploited India but they left behind Railways, Roads and Infrastructure, Government Buildings, Courthouses, Municipal Buildings and Port Facilities (and of course ‘cricket!’). What is the legacy the USA will leave India, Toxic Waste and Death of tens of thosands of people (Bhopal), GM Crops (causing the suicides of hundreds of thousands of farmers and destruction of land), Toxic and dangerous EXPERIMENTAL vaccines which have killed and maimed hundreds and thousands in both India and Africa and wait for it!…………….. Yes!………. Hamburgers!
And when Bill (I did not have sexual relations with that woman!) Clinton comes for a visit they roll out the red carpet and all hover around him like flies around s**t. You people are still colonialists and traitors to your own people and it’s about time to put a stop to all of this duplicitous, hypocrisy.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna dear Sudarsana Das Vanacari prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhu whatever you are writing about GMO , i fully agree with you. Prabhu you are very heavy on AP’s distributing GMO. But have you any proofs for this ? I know about their polio vaccination that have already paralyzed over 47,000 persons and also have images and links. But i do not know that they are using GMO for feeding hungry.
Yours
Bhakta John
India is the dumping ground for GM crops because their politicians are BRIBED crooks who turn a blind eye to the “donations”. This rice is donated to NGO. They then feed the hungry.
http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/bill-gates-monsanto-team-world-hunger/
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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/201332813553729250.html
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its not about GMO. It’s about IB and their [snip] tactics to quiet and discredit honest hardworking Prabhupadanugas who are preaching in Jaipur. It’s always been about why MPD and his IB [snip] is harassing and smearing the HKC devotees online and in person. get back to the point. IB has been found guilty by the same courts that PADA and Mahesh want to establish Prabhupada as acharya. If the courts are bogus as they say, why do they want the bogus courts to validate an acharya? they make no sense. why are they spending money in a bogus court? because prabhupada never said to ignore courts or that courts are bogus. so the real point is, Why is MPD and IB harassing the Prabhupadanugas. why are they guilty of fraud? why are they under investigation? its not about GMO. [snipped by webmaster]
Ananny Mouse, FYI., One who is established needs not to be established. Otherwise, saying so is totally IGNORANT.
Does Srila Prabhupada need a validation to be an Acharya ?
Does it make any sense, when you say so ?
So your real point is, why is MPD and IB harassing and smearing the HKC devotees on line and in person and why are they guilty of fraud which is under investigation ?
Are you in control of your real point cited above ?
If your answer is, yes, then, you deal with it.
If your answer is, no, then, why do you bother to deal with it WHEN you have no control over it ?
Hope it meets you well.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
My dear Mr Mouse why are you so naïve? Brahmana means that you should not fall for or become ‘duped’ by politicians who in this age of Kali are from the Vaisya class, money makers, multinational corporations and corrupt politicians if you allow yourself to become ‘bewildered’ then this means that you are a sudra.
Henry Kissinger (former US secretary of State) said that if you control oil then you control a nation, but if you control the food supply then you CONTROL ALL THE PEOPLE. Why do the Clintons, Bill Gates, Monsanto and other GMO subsidiary companies have a strong connection with Aksaya Patra. Wake up to yourself. Hillary Clinton is the present Secretary of State so why do you think that she has shares in Monsanto? Why do you think that she is pushing this rubbish GMO onto Africa and India? Is Bill Clinton visiting Akshaya Patra because he cares about poor kids? come-on use you little mouse brain. Hundreds of thousands of farmers commit suicide! Tens of thousands of children are paralysed by dangerous vaccines and your talking about Madhu Pandit creating “online smear campaign” as though this has MORE RELEVANCE! Where is you sense of proportion here? Where?
The Monsanto Corporation (which is bankrolled by the Rockerfeller Corporation) also OWNS the Epicyte gene (which causes sterility). Now Bill Gates is a big fan of Eugenics (as was the Nazi regime) and he’s also a big promoter of ‘population reduction’ in Third World countries such as India, so don’t you think it is rather suspicious that Gates is donating GMO rice to Aksaya Patra? Of course to pull of something like this, where you have to ‘bribe’ a lot of people? IMPOSSIBLE in a place like India? Right?
To be naïve about the modus operandi of corrupt politicians and greedy corporate predators makes someone a peasant, a slave and a chattel not a brahmana.
See………Feeding the Hungry Students in India: Monsanto Steps Up – The minute…
(I don’t know how to set the LINK, but if you type this into the search engine you will see the link there)
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Sudarsana Das Vanacari:Hundreds of thousands of farmers commit suicide! Tens of thousands of children are paralysed by dangerous vaccines and your talking about Madhu Pandit creating “online smear campaign” as though this has MORE RELEVANCE! Where is you sense of proportion here? Where?
Mahesh: Sudarsana Prabhu has made the appropriate point to the Mouse.
Isopanisad 11
Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.
Note: these GM foods,seeds etc “donations” create DANGEROUS effects are ALSO karma kanda activities. Anyone taking part in the WHOLE chain has to SUFFER the results of karma phala (RESULTING FRUITS OF ACTION) in their next lives. Karma PAY BACK time means those engaged in the chain are going to be forced to accept different material bodies. We sometimes see snakes, lizards etc means they had PAST LIFE done some karma to be awarded THAT body. Even demigods are NOT free from effects of Karma:
SB 4.29.55 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
In one of his songs, Srila Narottama dasa Thakura writes:
KARMA-KANDA, jnana-kanda, kevala visera bhanda,
amrta baliya yeba khaya
nana yoni sada phire, kadarya bhaksana kare,
tara janma adhah-pate yaya
“FRUITIVE activities and mental speculation are simply cups of poison. Whoever drinks of them, thinking them to be nectar, MUST STRUGGLE VERY HARD, LIFE AFTER LIFE, IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF BODIES. Such a person eats all kinds of nonsense and becomes condemned by his activities of so-called sense enjoyment.”
Note: Charity UNLESS performed FOR Krsna ONLY it is BINDING to the three modes of nature goodness(sattva guna) Rajo guna(passion) and Ignorance ( tamo guna) and one MUST get another MATERIAL body to SUFFER the effects:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
HOW THE DEMIGOD HAD BEEN OBLIGED TO ACCEPT THE BODY OF A LIZARD was not a secret to Lord Krsna, but still, for others’ information, the Lord inquired, “My dear fortunate demigod, now I see that your body is so beautiful and lustrous. Who are you? We can guess that you are one of the best demigods in the heavenly planets. All good fortune to you. I think that you are not meant to be in this situation. It must be due to the results of your past activities that you have been put into the species of lizard life. Still, I want to hear from you how you were put in this position. If you think that you can disclose this secret, then please tell us your identity.”
ACTUALLY THIS LARGE LIZARD WAS KING NRGA, and when he was questioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead he immediately bowed down before the Lord, touching to the ground the helmet on his head, which was as dazzling as the sunshine. In this way, he first of all offered his respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Lord. He then said, “My dear Lord, I am the son of King Iksvaku, and am King Nrga. If you have ever taken account of all charitably disposed men, I am sure You must have heard my name. My Lord, You are the witness. You are aware of every bit of work done by the living entities–past, present and future. Nothing can be hidden from Your eternal cognizance. Still, You have ordered me to explain my history, and I shall therefore narrate the full story.”
KING NRGA PROCEEDED TO NARRATE THE HISTORY OF HIS DEGRADATION, CAUSED BY HIS KARMA-KANDA ACTIVITIES. HE WAS VERY CHARITABLY DISPOSED AND HAD GIVEN AWAY SO MANY COWS THAT HE SAID THE NUMBER WAS EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF DUST ON THE EARTH, THE STARS IN THE SKY AND THE RAINFALL. According to the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies, a man who is charitably disposed is commanded to give cows to the brahmanas. From King Nrga’s statement, it appears that he followed this principle earnestly; HOWEVER, AS A RESULT OF A SLIGHT DISCREPANCY IN HIS ACTION, HE WAS FORCED TO TAKE BIRTH AS A LIZARD. Therefore it is recommended by the Lord in the Bhagavad-gita that one who is charitably disposed and desires to derive the benefit of his charity should offer his gifts to please Krsna. To give in charity means to perform pious activities. As a result of pious activities one may be elevated to the higher planetary systems; BUT PROMOTION TO THE HEAVENLY PLANETS IS NO GUARANTEE THAT ONE WILL NEVER FALL DOWN. Rather, from the example of King Nrga, it is definitely proved that fruitive activities, even if they are very pious, cannot give us eternal blissful life. AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA, THE RESULT OF WORK, EITHER PIOUS OR IMPIOUS, IS SURE TO BIND A MAN UNLESS IT IS DISCHARGED AS YAJNA ON BEHALF OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.
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Prabhupāda: It is Kṛṣṇa’s desire. Nobody is useless. I was also useless. I could not do in India alone anything. This is… Again this example (laughs). Two useless makes useful. Intelligence alone cannot work. Money is required. One man was challenged, “You have no intelligence.” So he said, “Yes.” He was searching these…”No, why you are searching here?” “No, here is intelligence. If here is money, then my intelligence can work. Otherwise what is the use of intelligence?” But he was searching here,” Whether I have got intelligence?” Simply intelligence… In industry also: land labor capital, organization, four things. Simple capital will not do. Simple organization will not do. A man may have very good brain power, organization, but if he has no money-useless. So four things required: land, labor, capital, organization. That minister in Raṅganātha (?), he is inclined to spend huge income of Tirupati, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But he is bound up by other colleagues. They are applying the money. So he’s willing to call all the ministers if I can convince them. I shall try it. Just… In the Bhagavad-gītā, that is, yajñārthe karma. Everyone is karmī. So the karmīs, the village cultivators or big men industrialists, they are going to Tirupati. Whatever then can spare, they are offering. That is yajñārthe. If this money is taken and again if it is brought into karmī, then it is misleading.Karmīs are giving them. Just like people are giving us money. They are karmīs. But because they are giving us and we are engaging the money in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, so the money is fully utilized. But if this money again taken and again to the karmīs….
Jayapatākā: Without any spiritual work.
Prabhupāda: Then it is a farce. HIS PURPOSE IS SERVED, BUT ONE WHO IS MISLEADING THE…, HE BECOMES CRIMINAL.
Jayapatākā: The man who gives, his purpose is served.
Prabhupāda: His purpose is served.
Jayapatākā: The man who takes the money is…
Prabhupāda: HE IS TO BE PUNISHED. HIS MISUSING. SUPPOSE IN OUR KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT SOMEBODY GIVES US MONEY. HE IS GIVING GOOD FAITH THAT “IT IS VERY GOOD ORGANIZATION.” BUT IF I MISSPEND THAT MONEY, THEN I AM RESPONSIBLE. THEN I’LL BE PUNISHED. HIS BUSINESS IS FINISHED. KṚṢṆA NOTED THAT HE HAS GIVEN HIS HARD-EARNED MONEY FOR SPREADING KṚṢṆACONSCIOUSNESS. IF I TAKE THAT MONEY… INSTEAD OF DOING KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS, IF I USE IT FOR MY SENSE GRATIFICATION, THEN I’LL BE… THEN I’LL BE RESPONSIBLE. What is the use of Kṛṣṇa’s money being used in industry? Any purpose outside Kṛṣṇa consciousness… Let this money be utilized for spreading the glories of Kṛṣṇa. But they do not recognize Kṛṣṇa. All the so-called Bhagavad-gītā readers, they want to kill Kṛṣṇa.
Amar Puri prabhu. It is actually Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) who is repeatedly saying that ISKCON Bangalore need to accept the courts and pay them millions to establish that Prabhupada is the Acarya of ISKCON. But, as you say, we do not need to pay mundane demoniac courts to validate what every Prabhupadanuga already knows and accepts. Maybe these millions wasted on courts by IB and ISKCON GBC would be better spent on printing original books and establishing farm communities for the devotees?
Suren Singh: “So PADA please answer this question why ISKCON banglore is following the court and paying millions, if they dont accept the court ??”
[PADA: “Ok so if the homosexuals take you to court, you will surrender to the court and accept that homosexuals are gurus. That means you have surrendered to the court. Now you are also saying, we should not establish Srila Prabhupada in the courts, that means you want the homosexuals to be established in the courts. Why do you want the homosexuals to win in the courts?”]
IB devotees are being investigated by the courts and most likely will see prison time for trying to bribe a high court judge. we will see who takes bribes and how easy it is to bribe a judge. and when did Prabhupada say devotees should bribe judges or intimidate high court judges. just more evidence that IB and MDP are dishonest and operate like criminals, no different from the ISKCON GBC. but you want to frame the argument as if it is about Genetically Modififed Food products. Go back and read the first article “Struggle for Truth” again. This has nothing to do with all the other bogus activities of IB and GBC. Its has always been about the strong arm tactics used by MPD and AP against good hardworking prabhupadanugas in Jaipur. the simple truth is MPD acts like the ISKCON GBC when it comes to independent preaching programs that he makes no money from. in Vaisnavism, like everywhere else, just “follow the money.” so who is being naive? who is trying to change the subject? who is blind following? someone playing dress-up who says Daso Smi. that’s who.
Hare krsna, It seems that AP people become mad after money and power and when some genuine devotees want to expose AP’s actual face then they are taking shelter of heaps abd heaps of lies. This is really very bad.
AP’s condition is horrible.
Hare Krishna Bhakta John Prabhu Ji,
PAMHO,AGTSP,
Sorry Prabhu, still we have not set up any community here. We have prepared a comprehensive plan based on our practical research program, require for establish a community. Like how we can organize a unit of a varnasramadharma based on vedic agriculture( This is a innovative items), training curriculum,various project proposal for getting fund and land from govt, as well as private sector,all lay out diagram of various activities of a KC communities, site selection, how to develop natural resources available there etc, means 50% script has completed!
We hope we will launch this programe soon, even in this year and it take shape, fully( 11,200 family of devotee with hundreds of thousand cow) within 5 years. Then we capable to present whole picture in a integrated manner, with a live way. meanwhile we need blessing of all Vaishnavas.
Prahlad das:It is actually Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) who is repeatedly saying that ISKCON Bangalore need to accept the courts and pay them millions to establish that Prabhupada is the Acarya of ISKCON. But, as you say, we do not need to pay mundane demoniac courts to validate what every Prabhupadanuga already knows and accepts. Maybe these millions wasted on courts by IB and ISKCON GBC would be better spent on printing original books and establishing farm communities for the devotees?
Mahesh: You ARE TWISTING the truth here. The FACTS are : (Madhupandit)ISKCON Bangalore is taking ISKCON Mumbai GBC to SUPREME Court of India. This hearing was supposed to be in August 2014 but it was POSTPONDED. As the matter is NOW in the SUPREME Court there is NO APPEAL. The decision is FINAL. Ordinary REGION Court has appeal.
What is the intention of going to Court? ISKCON (Mumbai) wants to take AWAY the ISKCON Bangalore temple BY FORCE.
Prahlad das:Puranjana who is repeatedly saying that ISKCON Bangalore need to accept the courts and pay them millions to establish that Prabhupada is the Acarya of ISKCON
Mahesh: we KNOW that you and Puranjana have a HATE relationship WITH EACH OTHER. But because of THIS do not TWIST the FACTS:
IF ISKCON Mumbai gets the ISKCON Bangalore temple THEN there is NO RITVIK temple and ISKCON Mumbai are ANTI Ritvik so they ENFORCE worship of their CONDITIONED soul BOGUS Diksa gurus INSTEAD of Srila Prabhupada.
This is WHY the matter has gone to SUPREME Court FOR FINAL DECISION. THAT is the REAL ISSUE.
Speaking of PADA. He is now licking the boots of MPD and linking Prabhupadanugs.eu with his long list of GBC supporters.
Ananny Mouse says ;
” IB has been found guilty by the same courts that PADA and Mahesh want to establish Prabhupada as acharya. If the courts are bogus as they say, why do they want the bogus courts to validate an acharya? they make no sense. why are they spending money in a bogus court? ”
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In defence to Ananny Mouse, Prahlad das answers to my comments which read ;
” Amar Puri prabhu. It is actually Tim Lee (PADA/Puranjana) who is repeatedly saying that ISKCON Bangalore need to accept the courts and pay them millions to establish that Prabhupada is the Acarya of ISKCON. But, as you say, we do not need to pay mundane demoniac courts to validate what every Prabhupadanuga already knows and accepts. Maybe these millions wasted on courts by IB and ISKCON GBC would be better spent on printing original books and establishing farm communities for the devotees ?
Suren Singh: “So PADA please answer this question why ISKCON banglore is following the court and paying millions, if they dont accept the court ??”
[PADA: “Ok so if the homosexuals take you to court, you will surrender to the court and accept that homosexuals are gurus. That means you have surrendered to the court. Now you are also saying, we should not establish Srila Prabhupada in the courts, that means you want the homosexuals to be established in the courts. Why do you want the homosexuals to win in the courts?”] ”
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From the comments of Prahlad das mentioned above it appears that neither Ananny Mouse’s comments nor Prahlad das comments represent exactly what PADA says in his writing.
In other words, both Ananny Mouse and Prahlad das are misrepresenting by taking PADA’s comments out of context and thus both of them are misleading the Readers as I find it.
The team of IB and HKC are both Prabhupadanuga but on a different platform. The Team of HKC devotees are freshly started with clean slate whereas the team of IB are fighting back vigorously to protect the legacy of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada. Make no mistake about it.
My humble suggestion to the team of HKC is that please stay away from the politics ( blame games ) of all kinds and stay focus on the ” Principles” alone seriously and sincerely to carry forward with respective projects strictly as per Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions – VANI regardless of any obstacles which simply means testing individual and collective strength, faith and dedication of all those involved directly or indirectly in the service to the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
More later.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
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I am not disputing the alleged ‘strong arm tactics’ against Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur, nor do I beleive AP and IB are acting differently to GBC apart from it’s “acceptance” of Srila Prabhupada’s order of Ritvik initiation (which in light of the demonic activities of Madhu Pandit are only ‘window dressing’)
Madhu Pandit’s ”fight” with GBC is simply “two thugs having it out on the street corner” a fight for power that’s all. He is ambitious. He wants all the glory for himself and is just using the Ritvik argument to line his own pocket and develop his own ‘franchise’ separate from other ‘controllers’, The GBC. That’s all. But just like the GBC, he has sold his soul to greater powers than himself, CIA, US Multinational Biotech-Monsanto, Bill Gates and of course their errand boy Bill (I did not have sexual relations with that woman) Clinton.
There is little chance that Madhu Pandit will “reform” himself as he is deeply entrenched (that is why he is visited by Ambarish, just to make sure he is still on the same team). Just like Clinton and Bush, they create the illusion that their objectives are “different” because they “represent” Democrats and Rebublicans (respectively) but in reality they attend all the same functions, country clubs and are great pals because they are both salesmen for US Multinational Corporations and are working for the same bosses.
Prabhupada and those to are his true followers always remain a threat to the demonic influences of power and greed this why when a movement promoting ‘simple living and high thinking’ comes along and makes some progress it is always infiltrated by agents of power and corruption. The abuses that are emanating from IB and AP towards Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur are the manifestation of the demonic alliances that MP has himself made to further his own material position.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari :Madhu Pandit’s ”fight” with GBC is simply “two thugs having it out on the street corner” a fight for power that’s all. He is ambitious. He wants all the glory for himself and is just using the Ritvik argument to line his own pocket and develop his own ‘franchise’ separate from other ‘controllers’, The GBC. That’s all.
Mahesh: If Madhu Pandit has ALL the temples in HIS OWN name then Srila Prabhupada says “DO NOT THINK IN THIS WAY OF BIG CORPORATION, BIG CREDITS, CENTRALIZATION–THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE PROPOSALS”
72-12-22. Letter: Karandhara
REGARDING YOUR POINTS ABOUT TAXATION, CORPORATE STATUS, ETC., I HAVE HEARD FROM JAYATIRTHA YOU WANT TO MAKE BIG PLAN FOR CENTRALIZATION OF MANAGEMENT, TAXES, MONIES, CORPORATE STATUS, BOOKKEEPING, CREDIT, LIKE THAT. I DO NOT AT ALL APPROVE OF SUCH PLAN. DO NOT CENTRALIZE ANYTHING. EACH TEMPLE MUST REMAIN INDEPENDENT AND SELF-SUFFICIENT. THAT WAS MY PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WHY YOU ARE THINKING OTHERWISE? ONCE BEFORE YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING CENTRALIZING WITH YOUR GBC MEETING, AND IF I DID NOT INTERFERE THE WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. DO NOT THINK IN THIS WAY OF BIG CORPORATION, BIG CREDITS, CENTRALIZATION–THESE ARE ALL NONSENSE PROPOSALS. Only thing I wanted was that books printing and distribution should be centralized, therefore I appointed you and Bali Mardan to do it. Otherwise, management, everything, should be done locally by local men. Accounts must be kept, things must be in order and lawfully done, but that should be each temple’s concern, not yours. Krishna Consciousness Movement is for training men to be independently thoughtful and competent in all types of departments of knowledge and action, not for making bureaucracy. Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. There must be always individual striving and work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. No. Never mind there may be botheration to register each centre, take tax certificate each, become separate corporations in each state. That will train men how to do these things, and they shall develop reliability and responsibility, that is the point. I am little observing now, especially in your country, that our men are losing their enthusiasm for spreading on our programmes of Krishna Consciousness movement. Otherwise, why so many letters of problems are coming, dissatisfied? That is not a very good sign. The whole problem is they are not following the regulative principles, that I can detect. Without this, enthusiasm will be lacking. Even mechanically following, and if he gets gradually understanding from the class, he will come to the point of spontaneous enthusiasm. This spontaneous loving devotional service is not so easy matter, but if one simply sticks strictly to the rules and regulations, like rising early, chanting 16 rounds, chanting gayatri, keeping always clean–then his enthusiasm will grow more and more, and if there is also patience and determination, one day he will come to the platform of spontaneous devotion, then his life will be perfect. All of this I have told you in Nectar of Devotion. So I do not think the leaders are themselves following, nor they are seeing the others are following strictly. That must be rectified at once. Each centre remain independent, that’s all right, but the president and other officers must themselves follow and see the others are following the regulative principles carefully, and giving them good instruction so they may understand nicely why this tapasya is necessary. And GBC and Sannyasis will travel and see the officers are doing this, and if they observe anything lowering of the standard, they must reform and advise, or if there is some discrepancy I shall remove it. Of course, if new men are coming, they may not be expected immediately to take to our regulative principles cent per cent. Therefore we should not be so anxious to induce them to live in the temple. Anyone who lives in the temple must agree to follow the rules and regulations without fail. So if some new man moves in with us he may become discouraged if he is forced in this way. Therefore let them live outside and become gradually convinced in the class why they should accept some austerity, then they will live with us out of their own accord and follow nicely everything. It is very difficult to give up very quickly so many bad habits as you have got in your country, so educate them gradually, first with chanting, and do not be so much anxious to count up so many numbers of new devotees, if such devotees go away later being too early forced. I want to see a few sincere devotees, not many false devotees or pretenders.
So my point is that the regulative principles must be followed by everyone. Otherwise their enthusiasm dwindles and they again think of sex and become restless, and so many problems are there. There is some symptom of missing the point. The point is to be engaged in doing something for Krishna, never mind what is that job, but being so engaged in doing something very much satisfying to the devotee that he remains always enthusiastic. He will automatically follow the regulative principles because they are part of his occupational duty–by applying them practically as his occupational duty, he realises the happy result of regulative principles. So the future of this Krishna Consciousness movement is very bright, so long the managers remain vigilant that 16 rounds are being chanted by everyone without fail, that they are all rising before four morning, attending mangal arati–our leaders shall be careful not to kill the spirit of enthusiastic service, which is individual and spontaneous and voluntary. They should try always to generate some atmosphere of fresh challenge to the devotees, so that they will agree enthusiastically to rise and meet it. That is the art of management: to draw out spontaneous loving spirit of sacrificing some energy for Krishna. But where are so many expert managers? All of us should become expert managers and preachers. We should not be very much after comforts and become complacent or self-contented. There must be always some tapasya, strictly observing the regulative principles–Krishna Consciousness movement must be always a challenge, a great achievement to be gained by voluntary desire to do it, and that will keep it healthy. So you big managers now try to train up more and more some competent preachers and managers like yourselves. FORGET THIS CENTRALIZING AND BUREAUCRACY.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari :The abuses that are emanating from IB and AP towards Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur are the manifestation of the demonic alliances that MP has himself made to further his own material position.
Mahesh: if the AP is FOR PROFIT motivations ONLY— AND— IF there is NO PRASADAM distribution THEN it is just another MUNDANE organization that distributes food. This is NOT what Srila Prabhupada wanted.
If THAT is the case then AP WILL fight for DONORS in Jaipur with HKS devotees instead of genuine COOPERATION with HKS. The issue is – PERSONAL BUSINESS motivation OR GENUINE cooperation as Srila Prabhupada wanted:
75-01-16. Letter: Krsnavesa
Our movement is based on love and trust, so if we do not CO-OPERATE, then how is that love and trust? Follow all of the rules and regulations very strictly without deviation, chant 16 rounds, attend class and mangala arati and then everything will be alright.
75-09-18. Letter: Sukadeva
You aLL SHOULD CO-OPERATE and then things will go on very nicely. WE SHOULD NOT BRING IN POLITICS. THAT IS A VERY NASTY THING.
70-08-06. Letter: Upendra
Now all my disciples must work combinedly and WITH COOPERATION to spread this Sankirtana Movement. If you cannot work together then my work is stopped up. Our Society is like one big family and our relationships should be based on love and trust. WE MUST GIVE UP THE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND USE OUR INTELLIGENCE TO PUSH AHEAD. You should accept help from your Godbrothers.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
Note: Donations have to be used in Krsna’s SERVICE it is NOT for ORDINARY food distribution projects. There will PUNISHMENT: Prabhupāda: HE IS TO BE PUNISHED. HIS MISUSING. SUPPOSE IN OUR KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT SOMEBODY GIVES US MONEY. HE IS GIVING GOOD FAITH THAT “IT IS VERY GOOD ORGANIZATION.” BUT IF I MISSPEND THAT MONEY, THEN I AM RESPONSIBLE. THEN I’LL BE PUNISHED.
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Prabhupāda: It is Kṛṣṇa’s desire. Nobody is useless. I was also useless. I could not do in India alone anything. This is… Again this example (laughs). Two useless makes useful. Intelligence alone cannot work. Money is required. One man was challenged, “You have no intelligence.” So he said, “Yes.” He was searching these…”No, why you are searching here?” “No, here is intelligence. If here is money, then my intelligence can work. Otherwise what is the use of intelligence?” But he was searching here,” Whether I have got intelligence?” Simply intelligence… In industry also: land labor capital, organization, four things. Simple capital will not do. Simple organization will not do. A man may have very good brain power, organization, but if he has no money-useless. So four things required: land, labor, capital, organization. That minister in Raṅganātha (?), he is inclined to spend huge income of Tirupati, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But he is bound up by other colleagues. They are applying the money. So he’s willing to call all the ministers if I can convince them. I shall try it. Just… In the Bhagavad-gītā, that is, yajñārthe karma. Everyone is karmī. So the karmīs, the village cultivators or big men industrialists, they are going to Tirupati. Whatever then can spare, they are offering. That is yajñārthe. If this money is taken and again if it is brought into karmī, then it is misleading.Karmīs are giving them. Just like people are giving us money. They are karmīs. But because they are giving us and we are engaging the money in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, so the money is fully utilized. But if this money again taken and again to the karmīs….
Jayapatākā: Without any spiritual work.
Prabhupāda: Then it is a farce. HIS PURPOSE IS SERVED, BUT ONE WHO IS MISLEADING THE…, HE BECOMES CRIMINAL.
Jayapatākā: The man who gives, his purpose is served.
Prabhupāda: His purpose is served.
Jayapatākā: The man who takes the money is…
Prabhupāda: HE IS TO BE PUNISHED. HIS MISUSING. SUPPOSE IN OUR KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT SOMEBODY GIVES US MONEY. HE IS GIVING GOOD FAITH THAT “IT IS VERY GOOD ORGANIZATION.” BUT IF I MISSPEND THAT MONEY, THEN I AM RESPONSIBLE. THEN I’LL BE PUNISHED. HIS BUSINESS IS FINISHED. KṚṢṆA NOTED THAT HE HAS GIVEN HIS HARD-EARNED MONEY FOR SPREADING KṚṢṆACONSCIOUSNESS. IF I TAKE THAT MONEY… INSTEAD OF DOING KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS, IF I USE IT FOR MY SENSE GRATIFICATION, THEN I’LL BE… THEN I’LL BE RESPONSIBLE. What is the use of Kṛṣṇa’s money being used in industry? Any purpose outside Kṛṣṇa consciousness… Let this money be utilized for spreading the glories of Kṛṣṇa. But they do not recognize Kṛṣṇa. All the so-called Bhagavad-gītā readers, they want to kill Kṛṣṇa.
Hare Krishna. I did respond to Mahesh prabhu’s post but the webmaster did not publish it for some reason.
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[Please note that the subject of this article posting was named “iskcontruth.com threatens HKC and Dayalu Nitai to stop speaking the truth”. This is not meant as “PADA ups and downs” article or discussion. Thank you. Your servant, webmaster prabhupadanugas.eu]
what this webmaster doesn’t understand is PADA is the official spokseman for IB, MPD, ISKCONTRUTH, Iskcon Times, Yasodanandana and the HKS. What PADA says and does is a reflection of MPD. MPD wants us all to accept what PADA says as the final sttement from MPD. Otherwise, why doesn’t MPD speak for himself, instead of publishing PADA’s rantings everywhere in response to HKC complaints?
Note:We see that In BIG ISKCON Temples there is now BIG SALARY disease. BUT everyone is thinking of going to Goloka. Goloka is not so cheap. AS LONG AS ONE IS ENGAGED IN FRUITIVE ACTS HE IS TAKEN TO YAMARAJA FOR PUNISHMENT. Srila Prabhupada wanted us delivered this means we have to engage in ALL activities that result in giving everthing to Krsna’s SERVICE. THEN we are free from REACTIONS of Karma. Sannyasa is not simply cloth it is ACTIVITY WITHOUT EXPECTATION OF RESULT FOR ONESELF. If we take the RESULT for OURSELVES then there is KARMA. Karma means we have to enjoy or suffer in this material world in cycle of birth and death. NOBODY is getting AWAY with any crime. Do ANY karma you HAVE TO pay in next life.
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Prabhupada: ANASRITAH KARMA-PHALAM karyam karma karoti yah. DO NOT TAKE SHELTER OF YOUR RESULT OF YOUR ACTIVITIES. You must take it as duty. He is sannyasi. Anasritam karma-phalam karyam karma karoti yah, sa sannyasi. He’s actually sannyasi. A SANNYASI DOES NOT BECOME SIMPLY BY CHANGING DRESS. No. SANNYASI MEANS HE’S TO WORK FOR KRSNA. WITHOUT TAKING SHELTER OF THE RESULT. It doesn’t matter. “Krsna has ordered, and Krsna’s representative has ordered. Therefore I have to do it.” Karyam karma karoti yah. sa sannyasi.
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.1.43
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Los Angeles, July 24, 1975
Nitai: “The candidates for punishment are those who are confirmed by these many witnesses to have deviated from the prescribed regulative duties. EVERYONE ENGAGED IN FRUITIVE ACTIVITIES IS SUITABLE TO BE SUBJECTED TO PUNISHMENT ACCORDING TO HIS DIFFERENT SINFUL ACTIVITIES.”
Prabhupāda:
etair adharmo vijñātaḥ
sthānaṁ daṇḍasya yujyate
sarve karmānurodhena
daṇḍam arhanti kāriṇaḥ
[SB 6.1.43]
So we have discussed about the witnesses last, yesterday. You cannot conceal anything from the eyes of God. That is not possible. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, sarvato pāṇi-pādas tam. God has His eyes, heads, legs, hands everywhere. Therefore He is all-pervasive. So just like government has got vigilance: you are running on the road; there is vigilance. Similarly, everyone within this material world, either in this planet or lower planetary system or higher planetary system, they aredaṇḍam arhanti.
EVERYONE IS DESERVING TO BE PUNISHED, BEGINNING FROM LORD BRAHMĀ DOWN TO THE ANT, EVERY LIVING ENTITY. DAṆḌAM ARHANTI. AND THE FINAL DAṆḌAM… DAṆḌA MEANS PUNISHMENT. THE FINAL DAṆḌA IS DEATH. EVERYWHERE, ANYWHERE YOU GO WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, PLANETARY SYSTEM…ŪRDHVAṀ GACCHANTI SATTVA-STHĀḤ: “THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MODES OF GOODNESS, THEY ARE ELEVATED TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEM.” ANDMADHYE TIṢṬHANTI RĀJASĀḤ: “THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE SPELL OF PASSION, THEY KEEP WITHIN THE MIDDLE PLANETARY SYSTEM.” AND THOSE WHO ARE MOST ABOMINABLE, THEY ARE GIVEN TO THE LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEM. Ūrdhvaṁgacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ, jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthāḥ [Bg. 14.18]. Jaghanya means very abominable guṇa, in the darkest region of ignorance. They are put into the lower planetary system, animal. And there are 8,400,000 different forms of life, and they are distributed all over the universe. Don’t think that here only there are living entities and all other planets are vacant. This is nonsense. Everywhere there is living entity. Therefore it is said in theBhagavad…, sarva-gaḥ. The living entity is everywhere. You can go anywhere. You can go to the higher planetary system, you can go to the lower planetary system, and you can go to the kingdom of God also in the spiritual world. Therefore the living entity’s another name is sarva-gaḥ. He can go anywhere. If you like, you go to hell. If you like, you go to heaven. If you like, you go to God. If you like, you become animal. If you like, you can become demigod. Everything, fully. That little independence is there.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari says ;
” I am not disputing the alleged ‘strong arm tactics’ against Prabhupadanugas in Jaipur, nor do I beleive AP and IB are acting differently to GBC apart from it’s “acceptance” of Srila Prabhupada’s order of Ritvik initiation (which in light of the demonic activities of Madhu Pandit are only ‘window dressing’) ”
What are the basis of your believe of what you are saying in your comments cited above, Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu ?
What kind of proof do you have when you say ; ” …… He wants all the glory for himself and is just using the Ritvik argument to line his own pocket and develop his own ‘franchise’ separate from other ‘controllers’, ” ?
Can you substantiate what you are saying, Prabhu ?
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD.
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Nara-nārāyaṇa: There is so much mismanagement in different parts of the world that there are so many revolutions now in all parts of the world including India, Africa and even the United States. There are so many problems based on the fact that their food grains and milk supply are not being supplied nicely or distributed nicely. Now, supposing that there is a demand that there should be good management for it, how these things should be distributed properly, by what system, so that people can get these things in a way that they can become God conscious and at the same time have their…?
Prabhupāda: GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD. IT REQUIRES CULTURAL EDUCATION. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ONE WHO HAS GOT ENOUGH FOOD, HE IS GOD CONSCIOUS. THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION IS NOT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FOR BECOMING GOD CONSCIOUS. THAT IS WRONG PROJECT. “IF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN SUFFICIENT FOOD, THEY WILL BECOME GOD CONSCIOUS”—THAT IS NOT THE FACT. BUT PEOPLE ADVANCE THIS THEORY, THAT “WE ARE NOW ECONOMICALLY DISTRESSED. WE CANNOT TURN OUR ATTENTION TO GOD CONSCIOUSNESS.” THAT IS A WRONG PLEA. GOD CONSCIOUSNESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON ANY MATERIAL CONDITION.
Amar Puri Prabhu.
How much proof do you require? Most persons even when presented with what is glaringly obvious still do not accept what is the truth. They are not really interested in the truth but only some economic advantage.
I would have thought enough information about IB and AP have been presented so far to give a clear picture. I don’t think that people really care about distribution of GM food. That sadly is the level of their intelligence (or lack of it). Money and power are the road to hell. To find proof of this you just have to “follow the money”
Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu, one must be prepared to back up to support it when and what ones makes such questionable comments that need the answers.
That is exactly what I question you in my comments to which you do not seem to have supportive answer to your questionable comments.
Therefore, your questionable comments are not valid.
It is that simple.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
It seems to me that many people on this forum are living in glass houses while recklessly throwing stones at others. My suggestion to all negative critics is that they come out from hiding behind their computer screens and respectfully settle their differences mano a mano with those they accuse.
Best course of action would be to buy a ticket to Bangalore and arrange a meeting with all temple members. A constructive and positive understanding could be reached.
To label Madhu Pandit as “demonic” as Sudarsana Das Vanacari does beggars my belief.
I respectfully ask Sudarsana if he has ever sat down with Bangalore temple members and validated his accusations?
All glories to Srila Prabhupada !!
Sudarsana das prabhu said……’How much proof do you require? Most persons even when presented with what is glaringly obvious still do not accept what is the truth.’ AND ‘ I would have thought enough information about IB and AP have been presented so far to give a clear picture.’
And Amar puri das prabhu said…..’one must be prepared to back up to support it when and what ones makes such questionable comments that need the answer.’
There is a saying that if “it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, flies like a duck, etc, then it must be a duck! A smart person doesn’t need to do a dna test to figure out that it must be a duck.
FOLLOW THE MONEY AND THE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AP, IB and its group of temples are corrupt to the core, we don’t need to be a lawyer to figure that one out, any layman can do it. The charges are laid out quite well for all to see. Tim Lee/ pada is the lap dog of AP, IB, MPD, HKS, Sunnyvale, etc. And demonizes anyone that questions anything about them or their tactics. He area of expertise is throwing lots of crap around and hope that some sticks.
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Hare Krishna Amar Puri Prabhu,
By reading your comments, i am confused about your position on I.B deviations on many fronts. May be it’s just me who is unable to understand it properly ,
I will humbly put down below questions :
Q1: DO YOU THINK THIS MUNDANE WELFARE ORGANIZATION AKSHAY PATRA IS INLINE WITH SRILA PRABHUPADA’S VISION AND TEACHINGS ?
Q2: DO YOU THINK I.B’S ARRANGEMENT FOR MASS SENSE GRATIFICATION (BY BUILDING SWIMMING POOLS, GYMANSIUMS, FOOD CENTERS ,RETAILS OUTLETS , CLUB HOUSES ETC ..) RIGHT IN THE HEART OF VRINDAVAN DHAM IS INLINE WITH SRILA PRABHUPAD’S VISION AND TEACHINGS ?
http://krishnabhumi.in/amenity.php
Hare Krishna
Suren
When there is JUDGEMENT then BOTH the PIOUS and IMPIOUS things are considered:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
After this incident, when the time came for the King to give up his body, he was taken before Yamaraja, the superintendent of death. YAMARAJA ASKED HIM WHETHER HE WANTED TO FIRST ENJOY THE RESULTS OF HIS PIOUS ACTIVITIES OR FIRST SUFFER THE RESULTS OF HIS IMPIOUS ACTIVITIES. Yamaraja also hinted that since the King had executed so many pious activities and charities, the limit of Nrga’s enjoyment would be unknown to him. There was practically no end to the King’s material happiness, but in spite of this hint, he was bewildered. He decided to first suffer the results of his impious activities and then to accept the results of his pious activities; therefore Yamaraja immediately turned him into a lizard.
Note: we can NOT say that ALL the things that Madhu Pandit and ISKCON BANGALORE have done are bad. There good things AND there are bad things. In Judgement BOTH have to be given consideration.
There has to be a BALANCED viewpoint.
Good things by Madhu Pandit and ISKCON Bangalore:
1) He has got EXCELLENT standard of Temple worship with Srila Prabhupada as THE ONLY DIKSA GURU in ALL the Temples. With accepting the Ritvik System AS SRILA PRABHUPADA WANTED.
2) Accepts Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL unchanged books.
Bad things by Madhu Pandit and ISKCON Bangalore:
1) Aksaya Patra is SECULAR therefore NOT giving Prasadam but food some of it GM “donation” contaminated. It competes with DONATIONS with HKS Jaipur. No cooperation.
Suggestions:
a)They should offer the bhoga to the Deities BEHIND curtain in SEPARATE ROOM so that people do NOT know it is ACTUALLY Prasadam.
b) No GM food.
c) Cooperation with HKS is not easy but THIS IS what Srila Prabhupada WANTS:
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
2) Krsna Cartoons Video – Srila Prabhupada does NOT want the Krsna Cartoons. You can NOT Justify.
Note: the issue over fighting is about MONEY POWER CONTROL PROPERTY. It is a question of being SINCERE to SERVE Srila Prabhupada WITHOUT PERSONAL AMBITION. At death ALL the money will be taken, Power will be taken, Control will be taken, Property will be taken – it is just common-sense. WHAT are they going to take WITH THEM? When you are gone PAST 50 years of age THAT is DOORSTEP of DEATH!
70-11-01. Letter: Satyabhama
Regarding Brahmananda, he is actually surrendered soul, but Maya is so strong that on account of association he has even fallen down. So these two things are always side by side–Maya and Krsna–Krsna is service and Maya is sense gratification, so every moment we are prone to be subjugated by either of them. OUR DUTY IS THEREFORE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. THE POISON IS PERSONAL AMBITION. So everyone has the chance, therefore one should not be complacent. Doubts may come about, but one should be firmly fixed up that there cannot be any doubt on the Spiritual Master or Krsna.
74-10-08 Letter: Karandhara:
Now by the grace of Krishna we have got sufficient properties all over the world, so there cannot be any diplomacy or conspiracy by any sane man. All these properties and opulences, whatever we have got, this will not go with me when I go away from this world. It will remain here. I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. SO IF INSTEAD OF TAKING THE TRAINING, IF IN MY LIFETIME YOU PEOPLE SAY I AM THE LORD OF ALL I SURVEY, THAT IS DANGEROUS CONSPIRACY.
As alleged by you I have received complaints against Bali Mardan and his wife, so seriously so much so that the girl has declared that Bali Mardan is an incarnation of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura on my name. In India some of the important members they have collected huge amounts in the name of the Society and spent it luxuriously. I WANTED YOU ALL MY EXPERIENCED DISCIPLES SHOULD MANAGE THE WHOLE INSTITUTION VERY CLEVERLY WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL AMBITION LIKE ORDINARY MATERIALISTIC MEN. THE GAUDIYA MATH INSTITUTION HAS BECOME SMASHED, AT LEAST STOPPED ITS PROGRAM OF PREACHING WORK ON ACCOUNT OF PERSONAL AMBITIONS.
SO WHATEVER IS DONE IS DONE. I SHALL REQUEST YOU ALL NOT TO BE PERSONALLY AMBITIOUS. I shall do everything in my power to fulfill your personal ambitions, but that will be done in due course of time when you are fully trained up and following the regulative principles and chanting 16 rounds.
So complaints against Bali Mardan is very serious, and I have appointed an enquiry committee. consisting of three men. Let us know the report. So far yourself is concerned, you know I had full faith in you, and whatever you did I never objected. But, in the meantime twice thrice you resigned. That has given me a little agitation. So kindly follow the regulative principles regularly chant 16 rounds and make up the deficit in Spiritual Sky, and gradually everything will come to its right position, and I hope Krishna will help us to adjust the present situation very peacefully.
I believe all my students they are very serious devotees, maybe sometimes influenced by maya, but they can be corrected and the whole thing will go on as usual without any difficulty. Please try to help me in this connection in this endeavor.
one fallen soul ; what is the use of writing the questionable comments ?
That is why I ask Shriman Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu in my comments ; ” ..’one must be prepared to back up to support it when and what ones makes such questionable comments that need the answer. ”
The same goes for you.
Have you seen and met that Duck you are referring to in your comments ?
If so, what and where is your proof to substantiate what you are saying in your comments are indeed a DUCK giving me the benefit of doubts that our senses are IMPERFECT ?
If you can not prove it, then, I humbly beg from you to please STOP writing non-sense, unproductive comments and share your wisdom what you have learned from our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
Hope it meets you well, Prabhu.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Suren says:
” Hare Krishna Amar Puri Prabhu,
By reading your comments, i am confused about your position on I.B deviations on many fronts. May be it’s just me who is unable to understand it properly , ”
I am glad that you ask my position with regard to not only relating to IB deviations but its positive activities around PRABHUPADANUGA’S world wide also in protecting and promoting the VANI of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada according to the capacity and ability at Individual and collective level of all of us as the followers.
As far as IB. deviations are concerned, these have been brought out in the public. No body is perfect. Therefore, I do not expect perfections hundred percent either.
However, I do subscribe to the suggestions as Shriman Mahesh Raja Prabhu quoted Srila Prabhupada 72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala saying ;
” …………. I WANTED YOU ALL MY EXPERIENCED DISCIPLES SHOULD MANAGE THE WHOLE INSTITUTION VERY CLEVERLY WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL AMBITION LIKE ORDINARY MATERIALISTIC MEN. THE GAUDIYA MATH INSTITUTION HAS BECOME SMASHED, AT LEAST STOPPED ITS PROGRAM OF PREACHING WORK ON ACCOUNT OF PERSONAL AMBITIONS.
SO WHATEVER IS DONE IS DONE. I SHALL REQUEST YOU ALL NOT TO BE PERSONALLY AMBITIOUS………… ”
As far as personal ambition of any Leader of any Prabhupadanuga groups including MPD and DND, is concerned, make no mistake, these two things are always side by side–Maya and Krsna. Krsna is service and Maya is sense gratification, so every moment we are prone to be subjugated by either of them. OUR DUTY IS THEREFORE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. THE POISON IS PERSONAL AMBITION. So everyone has the chance, therefore one should not be complacent. Doubts may come about, but one should be firmly fixed up that there cannot be any doubt on the Spiritual Master or Krsna as described by HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
As Srila Prabhupada says( 74-10-08 Letter: Karandhara ) ; ” ………….. I hope Krishna will help us to adjust the present situation very peacefully. I believe all my students they are very serious devotees, maybe sometimes influenced by maya, but they can be corrected and the whole thing will go on as usual without any difficulty. Please try to help me in this connection in this endeavour .”
That is what we should help Srila Prabhupada’s mission in promoting cooperation by following the principles as laid down in Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions amongst each other Leaders of Prabhupadanuga groups world wide. That is my position.
Hope it helps you, Suren Prabhu.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Dear Sundarananda
That is a great Idea (buying a ticket to Bangalore and having a good ole ‘chin-wag’ with MP and the boys). I may even drop in and say g’day to Bill Gates as well just to ask him how his shares in Monsanto are going. The Rockerfeller Corporation that bankrolls Monsanto are big fans of Eugenics, just like ole Bill (now isn’t that a coincidence!) In fact they are such big fans that they even bankrolled Adolf Hitler’s Eugenics Programme.
I can just picture Adolf looking at that photo (that he always kept on his desk) of Henry Ford (Ambarish’s great grandfather), with tears in his eyes, thinking “I hope all of your descendants are as wonderful as you”
I guess I myself, beying a bit of a ‘subversive’ and always ‘getting into trouble with my mouth’ take after my dear old grandad (who was also German) as he used to rise in the early hours of the morning, and with a pot of paint, used to paint ANTI HITLER SLOGANS ALL OVER HAMBURG.
Wow! pretty amazing thing, EUGENICS isn’t it ‘keeping the bloodlines PURE and all that. Those Material Scientists down at Monsanto have even patented the “EPICYTE” gene (which makes people STERILE). Now what do you suppose they are going to do with that? I may just take my own ‘cut lunch’ while I am in Bangalore just to be on the safe side!
Bill (Gates) is also a big fan of population reduction in both Africa and India…..But of course there couldn’t be any connection with the AKSHAYA PATRA programme……could there?
There is a law which in essence says that ONE IS GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION when one does business with those of DEMONIC NATURE and for those who are unable to recognise evil, they will become the victims like so many in this world of fools and rascals, who are unfortunate and easily duped, due to a poor fund of knowledge.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna prabhus
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I just do not understand why devotees here are not able to see the simple fact that akshay patra is collaborated with Monsanto for GMO food and Bill gates foundation for polio vaccination ? Both these programs are evil and demoniac of the highest degree meant to kill millions of people together.
Please see the following links which confirms akshay patra’s association with these evil powers.
http://3blmedia.com/Video/Minute/Feeding-Hungry-Students-India-Monsanto-Steps
http://www.123oye.com/press-releases/news/akshaya-patra-foundation-monsanto-fund-partner-to-strengthen-nutritional-support-for-government-s-mid-day-meal-program/983
Putin, president of Russia has declared Monsanto as a terrorist organization and warned Obama to stop Monsanto otherwise he will declare war and akshay patra is collaborating with these demons and we are discussing whether akshay patra is right or wrong.
Even after reading all this if somebody still supports Madhu Pandit’s akshay patra then i would say his intelligence has been stolen away by maya – “maya aparihata jyana”.
Yours
Bhakta John
Do you have any control over the devotees, Bhakta John (Netherland) ?
As I wrote else where in reply to the comments of DND ; ” Action speaks louder than the voice ” .
So, through such actions, one can see who is heading towards Hell of Maya’s service in the disguise of serving Krsna’s service or His Representative, our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
Is it difficult to see ?
So who is supporting WHO that which you do not understand devotees are able to see the facts ?
Where are you going with this type of facts ?
Hope it meets you satisfactory.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Dear Bhakta John,
thanks for the video links, the second one didn’t work. yes you are right, Monsanto is very demoniac abd I am surprised that Akshaya Patra has any involvement with them. It seems my rosy coloured glasses have been removed. Thanks for the education.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Sudarsana,
thanks for your reply. Many good points made by your good self. It seems I am somewhat naive to the inner mechanism’s of the Akshaya Patra program. Thanks for helping me to open my eyes. I am shocked and disappointed that there is collaboration with Monsanto.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
One of the leading authorities in the opposition to GMO’s is Jeffrey Smith.
Please watch ……GMO SEEDS OF DEATH
and also …………..SEEDS OF DECEPTION (by Jeffrey Smith)
If we are going to feed children food WE SHOULD BE SURE IT IS NOT GOING TO KILLTHEM!
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna Prabhus.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sudarshan Prabhu wrote:
Bill (Gates) is also a big fan of population reduction in both Africa and India…..But of course there couldn’t be any connection with the AKSHAYA PATRA programme……could there?
All the devotees here will be shocked to know that THERE IS A LINK between Bill Gates Polio Vaccination program for reducing the population of India and Africa. Akshay Patra is very much involved in these Polio Vaccination Programs.Please see the following link in the official website of A.P –
http://www.akshayapatra.org/sites/default/files/issue_feb_07.pdf
Please see the following lines on page number 5 of the above link:
“At Baran, AKSHAYA PATRA RECENTLY PARTICIPATED IN A POLIO VACCINATION PROGRAM organised at the district level. All the staff members worked as volunteers to create an awareness among the villagers about the importance of polio vaccination and helped them to reach the camps. The Akshaya Patra camp was rated as the best camp in the entire district. As part of its holistic child development activities, Akshaya Patra organised the distribution of sports kits to children in 50 schools.”
Yours
Bhakta John
Mid day meal is not a ordinary program of govt of India. However, Govt official may be not aware what is its real importance. To attract poor students to go regular in school. Why? because they can learn just literacy( there s no real education). Then? Then they can capable to read book of Srila Prabhupada, which is the only way to get a chnce for next 9472 years,to come in devotional life.That s all right ! But why AKsya patra, try to get “help” from Monasto, instead to grow our own pure organic food by practice of vedic agriculture, centered around cow protection? through this they can provide hundred of thousand nice job on agriculture basis to potential devotee, educated unemployed youth. It is the proper,matched matched with teaching of Srila Prabhupada.We can provide consultancy service, they like, as we had provided to HKC, Jaipur.
servant of vaishnavas,
BVD, Jaisalmer
Bhagavad Gita As It Is ( Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) Chapter 16 Text 9
“Following such conclusions, The Demonaic, who are lost to themselves and have no intelligence engage in unbeneficial and horrible works meant to destroy the World”
Perhaps Madhu Pandit could explain why he has this connection to GMO Monsanto through the agency of GMO Monsanto shareholders such as Eugenics Advocate Bill Gates and Bill (I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!) Clinton?
GMO Monsanto are without a doubt the most DEMONIC Corporation on this planet. Liars cheats and murderers, they team up with other dubious entities like Bayer (these are the people who produced Nerve Gas WW1, and Zyklon B to gas the Nazi Concentration Camp victims in WW2). GMO Monsanto told the World that all these things that they have produced are SAFE ……DDT (Massive birth defects), AGENT ORANGE (a plethora of diseases, nerve damage, cancer) PCB’s (another plethora of diseases including high cancer rates, BOVINE GROWTH HORMONE rBST, which causes cows unbearable pain and suffering [banned in most countries except USA], and of course GMO Foodstuffs which is “rubber stamp approved” by US FDA Thanks to George (“Mission Accomplished”) Bush and then Clinton.
Monsanto’s use of rBST Bovine Growth Hormone is most injurious to cows, causing them immense pain, intestinal problems, infertility, mastitis, lameness and over use of anti-biotics. The milk is also linked to breast cancer and prostate cancer in humans. They use this hormone to intensify and increase milk production (around 20%). They also supply farmers with hormone to shorten the time for them to be ready for slaughter (around 15% time reduction) IF THIS IS NOT DEMONIC THEN WHAT IS? WHAT DOES MADHU PANDIT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIS CONNECTION WITH THESE DEMONIC SCUM?
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Learned Readers,
Hare Krishna. AGTSP.
As a Leader dedicated for the mission of HDG. Srila Prabhupada, Shriman Madhu Pandit dasa of IB through his actions of involvement directly or indirectly, knowingly or unknowingly, promoting such a demoniac activities in the field of agriculture simply for a PROFIT certainly demonstrates that Madhu Pandit dasa as a Leader indeed has lost his intelligence engaging in a horrible works which is meant not only to destroy but increase the sufferings also of all living entities involved all in the disguise to feed the poor people.
As I stated in my comments ; ” As far as personal ambition of any Leader of any Prabhupadanuga groups including MPD and DND, is concerned, make no mistake, these two things are always side by side–Maya and Krsna. Krsna is service and Maya is sense gratification, so every moment we are prone to be subjugated by either of them. OUR DUTY IS THEREFORE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. THE POISON IS PERSONAL AMBITION. So everyone has the chance, therefore one should not be complacent. Doubts may come about, but one should be firmly fixed up that there cannot be any doubt on the Spiritual Master or Krsna as described by HDG. Srila Prabhupada. ”
So what can be done ?
Granted, GMO foodstuffs are everywhere all over the world including North America, but, as a Leader, Shriman Madhu Pandit dasa does not need to get involved in such a destructive activities which is against Srila Prabhupada instructions.
No doubts, on account of his personal ambition, his intelligence have been covered by the glaring opulence of Maya’s service instead of Krsna’s service. Even though, it may look like he is doing Krsna consciousness activities.
My humble suggestion is that he must stop this type of activities of preaching on account of his personal ambition before it is too late.
More later.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, in his lecture on Sept. 16,1976 in Vrindavan says ;
“We have learned from our Guru Maharaj that preaching is very, very important thing, and when one is actually an experienced preacher, then he is able to chant Hare Krishna mantra without any offense.”
Yes, an experienced preacher, having no personal ambition, can execute the activities of preaching Krsna Consciousness without any fault.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
excellent contributions by all learned vaisnava’s on this forum, exposing Akshaya Patra’s connection with one of the leading demoniac institutions, Monsanto, on the planet. There is no excuse for this travesty and betrayal.
As Sudarsana so rightly asks the question :
” WHAT DOES MADHU PANDIT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIS CONNECTION WITH THESE DEMONIC SCUM?”
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna Prabhus,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All the assembled Vaisnavas should see another aspect of this discussion. GMO, Polio Vaccination etc. are certainly demoniac but if we see carefully then promoting the modern education system, secularism (no religion), advocating that world’s problem can be finished if hunger is taken care of are equally demoniac. Srila Prabhupada says that such doctrines are advocated by demons who create Godlessness that is why Prabhupada uses very heavy word like “SLAUGHTER HOUSE” for the modern education system which is promoting atheism and sense gratification.
If we see, there is a systematic effort to remove any trace of God Concsiousness from the text books, promote demoniac theories so that from childhood only the brain gets filled with all this crap. I know from many sources that even in India Govt. have removed anything to do with religion from all text books in the name of secularism. This Akshay Patra program is promoting all such doctrines against which Srila Prabhupada spoke so boldly.
So, from spiritual point of view, from the point of view of Srila Prabhupada does Akshaya Patra program becomes less demoniac even if it was not connected with evil powers like Monsanto.Everything Akshaya Patra is doing is against the desires and teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
We should refer to the 28 points which have been laid out very nicely by the HKC devotees. Each one of them is so much off from what Prabhupada wanted.
yours,
Bhakta John.
Is this a joke? Are ISKCON “Truth” serious? This song was written and sung by a devotee called Mahavirya Das. Oh dear.. ISKCON “Truth” got it all wrong.. again!
“Former Beatles and Hare Krishna icon, George Harrison was given ritvik initiation on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. This video/ song is the proof of iskcon truth’s claim.”
http://www.iskcontruth.com/2014/09/george-harrison-was-ritvik-truth.html
Does anyone know the names of the devotees who make the ISKCON “Truth” website? Are they under the age of 10? Are they mentally deficient? They can’t even spell. “Geroge” Harrison? Truth “Releived”? They also translate ‘FaceBook’ as “Face Puking”. So much for the extensive research they claim to carry out. ROFLOL@them.