Ramesh Baba, Radha-kund – – – Sacinandana Swami and a woman
Sacinandana Swami’s Ramesh Baba Program
The following open letter to Sacinandana Swami was published on author Hanuman das’s Facebook page:
This letter was sent to sacinandana.swami@pamho.net:
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 09:17:08 +0000
Subject: open letter – Ramesh baba in Croatia – upcoming havoc
From: Hrvoje Marjanovic
Dear Sacinandana Swami, please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My name is Hanuman das and I live near Zagreb, Croatia. In this country, you have quite a few disciples. In recent years, I noticed trend in some of them that they became followers and sympathisers of Ramesh baba, sahajiya and mayavadi from Vrindavan.
I did little research and I traced this Ramesh baba affection back to you, I discovered video on the internet in which you take instruction from him. I also have videos of you participating in his bhajans and playing his videos on your vyasa-puja.
So, I am confused, Ramesh baba is mayavadi, he claims that we are all Krishna, and he is also sahajiya, his practice of “devotional service” is watching young girls dance all night. That is practice which is not taught by any acarya in our sampradaya. Plus, he is not initiated into any bona fide sampradaya.
Your disciple Madayanti devi dasi and many others, organised tour for Brajraj Saran, prominent follower of Ramesh baba. This tour included visit to Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia. He was here twice already, in 2013 and again in the beginning of this year.
My mission is now to expose this nonsense and root out sahajiyas from Prabhupada’s movement in Croatia. Unfortunately, you are severely implicated in this issue. But, my main target is Ramesh baba, not you, but I in order for me to complete my mission, you will inevitably be pulled into the whole situation.
To protect yourself from the havoc I am going to create very soon, I would suggest some kind of open statement on your website to confirm that Ramesh baba is not bona fide and advising all your disciples to refrain from having any connection with him. This would pretty much solve this issue in a relatively peaceful way.
Also, your ex main disciple in Croatia, Sundarananda was, is publicly sharing Ramesh baba videos on his facebook profile, he opened his own apa-sampradaya in Croatia, disregarding GBC and ISKCON completely, what is your stance on that?
I just started my facebook operation lightly by sharing the above video, and already the whole Croatia knows about it, but in four days, it will become intense bilingual (croatian/english) campaign which will expose all people involved for the whole world to see. We have nothing to hide, sannyasi doesn’t have a private life, I hope you understand.
Hoping to resolve this misunderstanding peacefully,
Hanuman das
Ramesh-Baba Radhastami-Lila // Sacinandana Swami Women Lila
http://news.vrindavantoday.org/2011/08/ramesh-baba-to-direct-radhashtami-play/
Ramesh baba the mayavadi ?
http://iskcontheology.blogspot.de/p/ramesh-baba-mayavadi.html
Here is what Ramesh Baba said in the Barsana Eye camp to the Iskcon devotees there. Haribol!!!
जितने लोग हमसे डील करने आएंगे व्हो सब कृष्ण हैं ।
All those people who come to deal with us are all Krishna
उनसे बात करते समय यह याद रखो के यह कृष्ण हैं ।
Whilst conversing with them remember that this is Krishna
हम कृष्ण से बात करहें हैं।
We are all talking with Krishnas
हम कृष्ण की सेवा करहें हैं।
We are all serving Krishnas
यह अगर भाव रखोगे तो तुमे जो फायदा होगा उसको सोच नहीं सकते।
If you keep this Bhava (consciousness) then you won’t be able to measure your gain
Why is Ramesh Baba a mayavadi?
He does not have a siksha or a diksha guru coming from the noncorrupted sections of the 4 sampradayas that is to say Iskcon. (Why should i promote any other bona fide spiritual organization – charity begins at home)
He has confessed that he has no guru.
He claims that
Ramesh Baba’s instructions to volunteers at Barsana Eye-camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3DyhezJ0Y
[Fast forward to 7:10]:
“सेवा करने से पहले सब लोग सोच लो, पक्की तौर से सोच लो कि जितने रोगी हैं यह सब कृष्ण हैं।”
“Before serving (at the eye-camp), everyone should contemplate, should firmly understand all these diseased patients are actually Krsna.”
Prabhupada says, “Lord Viṣṇu cannot be placed within the category of the demigods.”
But Ramesh Baba places Him in the category of ordinary Indian village folk.
“To misconceive Lord Viṣṇu to have a material body or to equate Him with the demigods is the most offensive blasphemy against Lord Viṣṇu, and offenders against the lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu cannot advance in spiritual knowledge. They are called māyayāpahṛta-jñāna, or those whose knowledge has been stolen by the influence of illusion.”
So, Ramesh Baba is to be called a devotee?
Let us understand succinctly what is brahminical
culture and how is it different from mayavad
Q Does Ramesh Baba chant Krishna names?
Yes, so do the Satya Sai Baba folk. All mayavadis in india have their chants and they all get up in the morning and finish their ‘rounds’. Of what ever mantra they be. Of whatever mentality they may have while chanting it.
Q Does Ramesh Baba worship a Radha Krishna form?
Yes, so do many mayavadis in India and they have been for centuries.
Q Does Ramesh Baba like Barsana?
Q Yes, he does. Anyone can love a spiritual place. This is no guarantee of his non-mayavad non-sahajiya status. It is a very human tendency to love a place where one has some material emotional attachments. sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
Q Does Ramesh Baba want to protect many cows and take care of them nicely?
Yes, this does not mean that he is a sampradayik, bona fide vaishnava. The demigods arrived at Vashistha’s ashrama when he knowingly killed a cow and still the demigods are called impure devotees. In Vedic culture all people love cows. It is just non-specific-vaishnava culture viz., the brahminical culture that even the mayavadis follow.
Q But he is a sweet person who never does anything bad?
So was Sankara and all of his disciples and all the mayavadi gurus, Ammas, Babas, Bappas, Babus, they are very sweet and charming people if you interact with them.
I am not calling SaciSwami a sahajiya, etc.
We are just saying that he is the type of person who thinks that it is okay to make humble inquiries about Radharani’s Bhava from Ramesh baba who is a confirmed sahajiya-cum-mayavadi.
Not just do it alone, but take about 10 disciples to Ramesh Baba and make them all sit at his feet and do so as well.
So, you please use your head and call SaciSwami what you wish to.
The evidence is present in front of you.
I am also like Hridayananda Maharaj you see, I too am in favor of treating you like an adult as HM says we should do.
So here we are. Not name calling but letting you be the adult and understand what is the reality of SaciSwami your self.
Conclusion
Avoid persons like Sacinandana Swami who take instructions from RB (Ramesh Baba) on spiritual matters. If you want to consult RB on matters of local vrindavana governmental laws, economics, cow species, land fertility, local mafia etc that is a whole different thing. DON’T TAKE SPIRITUAL ADVISE FROM RB.
Please also see:
German Sacinandana Swami Exposed as Sahajiya
Mr. and Mrs. Sacinandana Swami
Sacinandana Swami and a woman
Ramesh baba the mayavadi
Sacinandana Swami’s Ramesh Baba Program
Sacinandana Swami and Ramesh Baba (pt. 2)
YouTube: Sacinandana Swami happily hears from mayavadis
YouTube: Sacinandana Swami takes shelter of a mayavadi guru
Dear Editors:
Please accept my obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
With regards to your recent posting on Swami Sacinandana:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44830
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44827
kindly note the following comments by Srila Prabhupada regarding sahajiyas:
Srila Prabhupāda: That will happen. Sahajiyā.
Hari-śauri: Posing himself as a big, learned man.
Srila Prabhupāda: My Guru Mahārāja used to say, “When our men will be sahajiyā, he will be more dangerous.”
Satsvarūpa: Our own men.
Srila Prabhupāda: Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura, he said that “When our men will be sahajiyā, oh, they’ll be more dangerous.” So our men are becoming, some of them, sahajiyās. This very word he said, that “When our men will be sahajiyās he’ll be more dangerous.”
Hari-śauri: Without any proper realization, on the basis of being able to read Sanskrit, they delve into all kinds of books, and then they pick fault—”Oh, this rule is not being followed. This is wrong. This is wrong.”
Satsvarūpa: “We don’t chant sixty-four rounds, so that is very bad. We’ll never make any progress.”
Srila Prabhupāda: Sahajiyā. (Srila Prabhupada room conversation – January 24, 1977, Bhuvanesvara, Orissa, India)
Srila Prabhupada: “Therefore those who are sahajiyās, they simply go to the pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa with the gopīs. Other things, “Oh, no, no. That is not Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes. That is not Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes.” That is, they differentiate the absolute activities of the Absolute. That is called sahajiyā. The sahajiyās will never read Bhagavad-gītā, will never read. (sarcastic:) Because they have been elevated to the mellows of conjugal love. Therefore they have no interest in Bhagavad-gītā. They say… Or when you discuss Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam on the philosophical point, janmādy asya [SB 1.1.1], they also do not attend. If you discuss on the philosophy of Upaniṣad and Vedānta, they’ll not attend. I have seen it. In Rādhā-kuṇḍa, sometime in 1934, my Guru Mahārāja was living, and he was discussing Upaniṣad. He was discussing Upaniṣad regularly. And the bābājīs… There are many bābājīs in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. First of all, they came, that “Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura has come, such a learned scholar and the establisher of Gauḍīya Maṭha.” So out of curiosity they came. And when they saw that he was discussing Upaniṣad, gradually they stopped coming. So my Guru Mahārāja recommended that “These people are not living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. They are living in Nāraka-kuṇḍa.” I have heard it personally.
Srila Prabhupada lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.3.20-23 — Gorakhpur, India February 14, 1971 :
Srila Prabhupāda: Why should we bother about this and that?
Caraṇāravindam: Prabhupāda, you wrote in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that the Caitanya mahā-mantra, śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda, there is no offense to that. And so therefore in the Kali-yuga it is actually more beneficial…
Srila Prabhupāda: Offense is that what is spoken by the ācāryas, if you do not follow, that is offense. Guror avajñā. That is offense. To chant Gaura-Nitāi is no offense. But if our previous gurus have chanted śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda śrī-advaita—why should we go beyond that? That is guror avajñā. Even there is no aparādha, because guru, Kavirāja Gosvāmī, has sung like that and my guru has sung, we should follow that. We should not make any deviation. That is guror avajñā śruti-śāstra-nindanam. Nāmno balād yasya hi pāpa-buddhiḥ. So it comes to be one of the items of the daśa-vidha-aparādha. Guror avajñā.
Caraṇāravindam: Should we consider that it’s more beneficial for people to hear bhaja śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya…
Srila Prabhupāda: Why? There is already… Why should you go here and there? There is already śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda. Why you are so anxious to go out of it?
Caraṇāravindam: No, I’m saying is it more beneficial for people to hear that mantra than the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Is it more beneficial for people to hear the Pañca-tattva mantra than the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra?
Srila Prabhupāda: Oh yes. You are going to Hare Kṛṣṇa through Nitāi-Gaura. Nitāiyer karuṇā habe braje rādhā-kṛṣṇa pābe. The principle is don’t try to manufacture. Because you are not experienced. So what nonsense you will manufacture, that will be offensive. Better go on, the simple thing.
Akṣayānanda: I know one devotee that chants Pañca-tattva mantra…
Srila Prabhupāda: Let them chant whatever. We shall chant like this, Pañca-tattva-śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda. I’ve explained that. Five features of Lord Caitanya.
Akṣayānanda: He chants that mantra on his beads.
Srila Prabhupāda: Who?
Akṣayānanda: That boy Richard in Rādhā-kuṇḍa.
Srila Prabhupāda: Rascal. That is his bad association. Therefore I say don’t follow these so-called Rādhā-kuṇḍa bābājīs. Nara-kuṇḍa bābājī. And they smoke biḍi. I have seen. Richard is still there? (Srila Prabhupada conversations : 1976 Conversations : September, 1976 : Garden Conversation — September 6, 1976, Vrndavana)
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes, two lines is sufficient.
Dhanañjaya: Punar muṣaka bhava. Punar muṣaka bhava.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. This is exactly the same case. Punar muṣaka bhava, you know the whole story? A muṣaka, a mouse, was made a tiger, and the tiger wanted to eat the saintly person who made him. First of all he was mouse. So he came to the saintly person. “Sir, I am troubled. Give me some benediction.” “What do you want?” “Now, the cat always chases.” “All right, you become cat so that you’ll not be attacked.” Then after some time he came. “I am being chased by the dog.” “All right, you become a dog.” From cat to dog, from mouse to… Then again he came. “Still, they are chasing me. Fox.” And then in this way, and ultimately he made a tiger. And after becoming a tiger, he began to look, staring on the… “What do you mean by this?” “I shall eat you.” “Oh? You become again a mouse.” (laughter) Again he became mouse. That’s all.
Punar muṣaka bhava: become again a mouse
Punar muṣaka bhava: “become again a mouse”
Hari-śauri: The perfect example.
Devotee: Now he looks like dirty. You know, like brown. The dhotī’s not white. It’s like brownish.
Srila Prabhupāda: He harassed. “He has not increased my…” Hearing and hearing, he wants to go. So why not, if he found some real disciplic succession, some bābājī, why he did not remain there? He is criticizing that our is not in the proper succession. So why he did not remain where he found the proper succession? Why he’s sometimes in Vṛndāvana, sometimes Delhi, sometimes here. Why he is loitering? Crazy. Unfortunate. Unnecessarily picking out some trouble.
Hari-śauri: Faultfinding.
Srila Prabhupāda: The bābājīs, they are against anything preaching. They are very, very much against preaching. So I am preaching. Bābājīs, the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, and all of them, their idea is that I am ruining this bhajana and Hindu dharma. This is the propaganda. What I am writing, they are all wrong. And they are making… And they try to poison my disciples as far as possible so that the whole institution may be poisoned and break. This is their propaganda.
Hari-śauri: That was one thing that Nitāi put in his letter, that the teachings of ISKCON are completely opposite or contradictory to what is actually in the śāstra.
Srila Prabhupāda: Now he has become tiger. He wants to kill that philosophy. When he did not know anything he came to us. Now he has become learned, he wants to criticize. The same philosophy. “You have made me tiger, now I can see you are my eatable.” (laughs) He could not find out any other eatable. “I shall eat you.” The rascal. What can be done. (Srila Prabhupada room conversation — October 26, 1976, Vrndavana, India)
Srila Prabhupāda: Now he has become tiger. He wants to kill that philosophy. When he did not know anything he came to us. Now he has become learned, he wants to criticize. The same philosophy. “You have made me tiger, now I can see you are my eatable.” (laughs) He could not find out any other eatable. “I shall eat you.” The rascal. What can be done. (Srila Prabhupada room conversation — October 26, 1976, Vrndavana, India)
I have read it somewhere ( I am not sure exactly where ) perhaps one of the follower of Bhakti Vikas Swami stating that HH. BVS is apparently so busy in writing his own books giving commentary on the Purport of HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s books (VANI ) making it suitable to the people according to the time, place and circumstances.
The Question is ;
” Is HH. BVS self realized personality duly authorized in the disciplic succession
or
Simply a one of the tiger as mentioned in the above cited example by Srila Prabhupada ? ”
HDG. Srila Prabhupada warns ;
” “So unless one is self-realized, there is practically no use writing about Krsna. This transcendental writing does not depend on material education. It depends on the spiritual realization. You’ll find, therefore, in the comments of Bhagavatam by different acaryas, even there are some discrepancies, they are accepted as asat-patha. It should remain as it is.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.5.23-24, March 31, 1976, Vrindaban)
Aindra Prabhu said in his book”the problem is the privacy of the gurus with their female disciples” This was all he said against the “gurus.” The “gurus” usually place their female disciples lining up in order to interview the girls one by one in private. They are actually bhogis yogis, they pay to make a lot of garlands for their own receptions, and pay the temple president to organize a washing of feet, and also pay them a group of sycophants by job for glorifying them in public, but reality it is nothing more than a circus.