The Failure of Gaudiya Matha / Iskcon
Compiled by: Prabhupadanugas
Srila Prabhupada explains why Gaudia Math / ISKCON failed after he left:
“Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru.”
In the following quotes, we find Srila Prabhupada’s clear condemnation of acarya/guru by GBC appointment/no objection. And Srila Prabhupada’s clear instruction that the ‘appointment of gurus ‘not be followed within ISKCON. Unfortunately, by the quotes we are left to conclude that all the diksa-gurus appointed by the GBC and the GBC themselves are being disobedient to Srila Prabhupada. Thus, their eventual gross falldown is practically unavoidable, because their initial assumption of “diksa-guruship by GBC appointment” is in itself the falldown of disregarding the order of one’s spiritual master, the 3rd offence against the Holy Name:
As Srila Prabhupada stated in a letter to Rupanuga P. on 28th April 1974:
“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya.
“If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya, he would have mentioned, because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was NOT to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self-effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps, the acarya is being changed three times a year. THEREFORE, WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.”
The following conversation of Srila Prabhupada’s clearly explains the reasons for ISKCON’s decline after Prabhupada’s departure. Though Srila Prabhupada was speaking about the failure of the Gaudiya Matha, amazingly it perfectly matches ISKCON’s own post-samadhi history, line for line. Seven sentences have been numbered for direct comparison to ISKCON.
1) Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. 2) He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure. 3) They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’ 4) They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. 5) They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. 6) They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya. 7) So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection.” – Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 08-16-76, Bombay
1) “Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru.”
Srila Prabhupada: Room conversation, Bombay: August 16, 1976
“Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta), before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘This man should be the next acarya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acarya. That is the failure. They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction in so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acarya?’ They wanted to create artificially somebody acarya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acarya. Then another man came, then another, acarya, another acarya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection.”
Srila Prabhupada purport: Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, 12.8-10:
“Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next acarya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of acarya, and they split in two factions over who the next acarya would be. Consequently, both factions were asara, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master. Despite the spiritual master’s order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gaudiya Matha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision…. The members of the self-appointed acarya’s party who occupied the property of the Gaudiya Matha are satisfied, but they could make no progress in preaching. Therefore, by the result of their actions, one should know that they are asara, or useless.
History Repeats Itself: The Following is the ISKCON update of the Srila Prabhupada quote directly above:
“Why this ISKCON failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He (Srila Prabhupada), before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘These eleven men should be the next acaryas.’ But these people, (the GBC) just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acarya. That is the failure. They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction in so many things, why he did not say that these eleven men should be acaryas?’ The GBC wanted to create artificially eleven paramhamsa-acaryas and everything failed. The GBC did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint eleven devotees as paramhamsa-zonal-acaryas, why did he not say? Srila Prabhupada said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And still to this day, the GBC insist on appointing diksa-gurus. They declared eleven unfit persons to become acaryas. Then another man came, then another, acarya, another acarya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection.”
Srila Prabhupada: “When disciples do not stick to the principle of accepting the order of their spiritual master, immediately there are two opinions. Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas…. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless. ”
So from the above quotes we see that the GBC’s policy of appointing diksa-gurus, whatever way it is termed (no-objection, etc.), is a deviation from the directions of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada clearly condemns the concept of GBC appointment for the “attainment of diksa-guruship”.
Srila Prabhupada further clarifies that those who deviate from the order of the spiritual master are “useless”. Therefore one must conclude that all the ISKCON ‘gurus’ that have been appointed by the GBC deviation are “useless”.
This is a hard truth to swallow, but these are the statements of Srila Prabhupada and so the unavoidable conclusion remains: GBC appointed diksa-gurus are “useless”.
Srila Prabhupada undoubtedly wanted the qualified amongst his disciples to be “regular-gurus”, i.e., give diksa to their own disciples. However it is clear from the above Srila Prabhupada didn’t want the GBC to be involved in “appointing those disciples as diksa-gurus“. The inability of the GBC to recognise this and act accordingly is the very heart of the problem of “diksa-guru-falldown ” since November 1977.
ISKCON has also failed horribly in the 30 years since Srila Prabhupada’s departure.
The reason is simple: the ISKCON leaders tried to be more than their guru by manufacturing so many speculative things (zonal acharyas, voted in acharyas, successor acaryas, suspended acharyas, fallen acharyas, etc.).
Srila Prabhupada established a system in his temples whereby his unique position as founder-acharya (samsthapaka-acharya) was highlighted through his own worship in every single ISKCON temple. Some of the specific ways in which Srila Prabhupada did this was by having his vyasasana installed in all temples, installation of his deity while he was still living (in Vrindavan), having his photo on all ISKCON altars, having all disciples worship him every morning through “guru-puja”, etc. As soon as Prabhupada departed, ISKCON leaders suddenly tried to compete with him, installing their own Vyasasanas in all temples, keeping their own photos on the altar, instituting mandatory worship of themselves through “guru-puja” in all ISKCON temples, etc. Oddly, one will not find a single instruction by Srila Prabhupada to any of these ISKCON leaders, nor to ISKCON as a whole, to implement any of these changes to his institution. Srila Prabhupada specifically instructed how worship and sadhana in his movement should be carried out. Every detail of the morning program, evening program, japa, worship, etc., was given by Srila Prabhupada for all ISKCON devotees. Yet in an instant, the ISKCON leaders decided they were more than their guru, and made all sorts of unauthorized changes to his movement.
2) “He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure.”
Srila Prabhupada also gave all instructions before departing. Yet he never said “this person will be next acharya” or “these people will be the next diksha gurus”. Despite the fact that he never authorized anyone to be the next diksha guru, immediately after his departure his disciples fought over the position of acharya, throwing out anyone who did not accept their chosen 11 leaders as equal to Srila Prabhupada.
3) “They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’”
After Prabhupada’s departure, the ISKCON leaders never thought “Why Srila Prabhupada did not say that these men should be acharyas?” Prabhupada gave so many instructions, yet he specifically never authorized anyone to be the next acharya and diksha guru of ISKCON. Instead of understanding the reason Prabhupada never authorized or appointed anyone, the ISKCON leaders immediately fought over who would succeed Srila Prabhupada as acharya. It is a fact that Srila Prabhupada did not say that any of the 11 appointed zonal-acharyas should be acharya. It is also a fact that Srila Prabhupada did not say that any of the present 100 mini-acharyas should be mini-acharya. “So why did he not say that this man, [insert SWAMI X here], should be acharya?” That is Prabhupada’s own question. You can take it up with him.
Tamal Krishna Maharaja, one of the 11 zonal acharya’s, explained their mood at the time of appointing themselves as successor acharya’s:
“They immediately… these eleven people are the selected gurus. I can say definitely for myself, and for which I humbly beg forgiveness from everybody, that there was definitely some degree of trying to control. There’s a degree of this in most GBC’s parts, in most temple president’s parts. This is the conditioned nature, and it came out in the highest position of all. ‘Guru, oh wonderful! Now I’m a guru, and there is only eleven of us’.”
4) “They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed.”
The ISKCON leaders wanted to artificially appoint themselves as acharya, and as Tamal Krishna Maharaja explained above, it was due to their desire to control, due to their conditioned nature, and due to their desire to become gurus (only 11 people, worshipped as good as God Himself). Once the 11 zonal acharya’s were artificially created to replace Srila Prabhupada, everything in ISKCON failed. The history since that time has been one disgrace after another, so much so that devotees are embarassed to let other people know they are devotees. All of Prabhupada’s wealth and assets, meant for Krishna’s service, have been looted and stolen; many wonderful temples have been closed down and sold off; and worst of all, tens of thousands of devotees have been exploited and then left abandoned by fallen “gurus” and “acharyas”.
5) “They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it.”
To this very day the ISKCON leaders still do not consider this point with common sense. If Srila Prabhupada wanted to appoint some people as acharya, why didn’t he say so? Srila prabhupada taught so many things, yet they think he missed this simple point, forgetting to specify who will be acharya and diksha guru after him? Prabhupada’s use of the phrase “and they insist upon it” is amazingly relevant to ISKCON today. The ISKCON leaders repeatedly insist that Prabhupada failed to specify who would be the next diksha guru. They insist upon it so much, that if you do not accept their view on this matter, then you are banned and thrown out.
6) “They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya.”
This is the perfect summary of ISKCON’s history after Srila Prabhupada. First they fought and appointed unfit people as successor acharyas. As they began to fall, in order to make it less noticeable, they tried to dilute the guru list by adding even more unfit successor acharyas. As those false gurus also began to fall, they further tried to hide it by diluting the guru list even further. I have actually heard one of the original zonal acharya’s use the “fall percentage” as evidence that the current system is doing alright. He said, “If you take all the gurus in ISKCON and calculate how many have fallen, it isn’t a very high percentage.” But that is only because they have repeatedly added new dilutions to cover the original falls. If you take the original 11 self-appointed zonal acharyas, you have 80% of the gurus who have unconditionally fallen. And of the remaining two you have one person who suffers a serious brain stroke and one person who advocates acceptance of homosexual marriage:
Officially fallen down: Kirtanananda Swami (dead)
Officially fallen down: Satsvarupa dasa Goswami (mad)
Officially fallen down: Bhavananda Swami (homo-sex)
Officially fallen down: Hamsaduta Swami
Officially fallen down: Ramesvara Swami
Officially fallen down: Harikesa Swami
Officially fallen down: Bhagavan dasa Goswami
Officially fallen down: Jayatirtha Swami (dead-decapitated)
Officially not fallen down, but dead: Tamala Krsna Goswami (died in car crash)
Supposedly not yet fallen?: Jayapataka Swami (suffered brain stroke)
Supposedly not yet fallen?: Hridayananda Goswami (advocates acceptance of homosexual marriage)
Thus the whole point of “adding new gurus” was just to dilute the list and make the fall percentage appear more reasonable. But if you were to take the second and third batches of added gurus (dilutions 1 & 2), and wait for the same amount of time that the first zonal acharyas had to manifest their fallen nature, you will find a similar percentage of fallen gurus in the subsequent batches. In other words, give the second and third batch of gurus 30 years, and they will also show a 80% fall down rate. This is inevitable, as going against the order of the Acharya will, without fail, lead to falldown.
Now at this year’s GBC meetings they have passed a new resolution calling for all of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples to come forward and be “diksha gurus” – the final dilution to cover their original mistake of appointing unfit people as zonal acharyas.
Please read: Tamals bogus guru system. This brings up a serious flaw in their line of thinking. When you make a mistake, and you realize it is a mistake (as with the appointment of the zonal acharyas), what should you do? You should stop and undo the mistake, and then move forward. Anyone with common sense can understand this. But rather than stopping the zonal acharya’s and removing their acharyaship (i.e. undoing the first mistake), they instead chose to add MORE acharyas to cover the first mistake. When this was shown to be a second mistake, they added EVEN MORE acharyas. And now that it has become a joke, they are trying one last dilution – everyone come forward and become acharya. Having admitted that the appointment of zonal acharyas without authorization from Srila Prabhupada was “the greatest disservice to the movement”, they must stop and undo this great mistake. But their solution is to dilute more and more. If you have clear water, and if a drop of red ink falls in it, the entire cup of water will become red. To make it go away some people will try to keep diluting it by adding more and more clear water to the already dirty red water so that it becomes less noticeable. But when the drop of red ink is instead poison, it doesn’t matter how much clean water you add, it will always be poisonous. Violating the instructions of the Acharya is spiritual poison. No matter how much dilution they do, it will always remain as poison.
Prabhupada’s Conclusion:
After pointing out six reasons for the failure of the Gaudiya Matha (and subsequently ISKCON), Srila Prabhupada gives the solution:
7) “So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection.”
Prabhupada’s solution to the problems faced by the Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON is simple. “Remain perpetually directed by Guru Maharaja, that is perfection.” Already he has outlined the six mistakes that the Gaudiya Matha and subsequently ISKCON made upon the departure of the Acharya. Now his solution to those mistakes is to simply follow the directions of the Acharya. If the acharya’s instructions are followed, then ISKCON will again rise from its present state of failure and spread throughout the world. In case anyone has forgotten the Acharya’s instruction on this matter, here it is:
“I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acharya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully.” – Srila Prabhupada (letter to Kirtanananda, 11 Feb. 1967)
Srila Prabhupada wanted to remain as the Acharya of ISKCON, just as Ramakrishna is the Acharya of the Ramakrishna mission. He never said, “Once I depart, replace me with 11 zonal acharya’s because I am dead.” Ramakrishna had been dead for years and years – yet still he was the center of their movement. Srila Prabhupada wanted to follow the same system where he is kept at the center as the Acharya (not being obscured by 11 zonal acharyas, nor 100 mini-acharya, nor 1,000 micro-acharyas). Working on this principle, the Ramakrishna mission as an organization “has done wonderfully“. Compare that to Prabhupada’s analysis of those who manufacture false acharyas:
“They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed.”
So the choice is there for everyone: do you want to manufacture false acharyas and have everything fail (as has happened since Prabhupada departed), or do you want to keep Srila Prabhupada in the center as the Acharya and have ISKCON do “wonderfully” as an organization. The GBC refuses to even hear anything on this matter, and as such is the greatest block for the advancement of ISKCON today.
In the “Pyramid House Confessions” (recorded in 1980, at Topanga Canyon), Tamal Krishna Maharaja, one of the 11 zonal acharyas, stated the following:
“Actually Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus… You cannot show me anything on tape or in writing where Prabhupada says: ‘I appoint these eleven as gurus’. It does not exist because he never appointed any gurus. This is a myth.”
Thus it is very clear by their own admission that Srila Prabhupada never appointed anyone as diksha guru or successor acharya for ISKCON. Since they have admitted that Prabhupada never appointed any gurus, let us look again at Prabhupada’s 5th point in the original quote:
“They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say?”
If Srila Prabhupada had wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why didn’t he say so? It is proven that Prabhupada did not tell anyone to be acharya. Thus, as per Srila Prabhupada’s own logical statement above, he did not want to appoint somebody as acharya. Yet, ISKCON leaders have gone ahead, against the desire of Srila Prabhupada, and have appointed nearly 100 of them. This again shows how they are “trying to be more than their guru”, Prabhupada’s first point for why they failed.
Srila Prabhupada’s November 1977 instruction: “No Such Thing As ‘Here Is Leader’.
On November 2nd 1977, just twelve days before his disappearance lila, Srila Prabhupada was asked privately by some Indian guests who would succeed him as acarya. (Actually the leader of the group was Mr Bajaj of Indian scooter fame – he wanted Srila Prabhupada to appoint an “Indian” acarya.) Srila Prabhupada described his answer moments later to his disciples when Bajaj and his group had left and the devotees were back in the room of Srila Prabhupada. (emphasis mine):
Srila Prabhupada: “[They asked] …after you, who will take the leadership?” And [I replied] “Everyone will take, all my disciples. If you want, you can take also. (laughter) But if you follow. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they’ll take the leadership. I may, one, go away, but there will be hundreds, and they’ll preach. If you want, you can also become a leader. WE HAVE NO SUCH THING THAT ‘HERE IS LEADER.” Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he’s a leader. ‘Indian,’ we have no such distinction, ‘Indian,’ ‘European.’ ”
Brahmananda: “They wanted an Indian to be the leader?”
Srila Prabhupada: “Yes. (laughs) ‘Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. If you want to follow, you can become a leader. You are Indian. But you don’t want.’ I told them that.”
Clearly with, “We have no such thing, that ‘Here is leader’.” Srila Prabhupada indicates that he did not intend to appoint a successor acarya, or have such a GBC appointment system institutionalized within ISKCON. With such an answer, Srila Prabhupada follows in the footsteps of his own Guru Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta P.
Furthermore, Srila Prabhupada states: “As purely as they follow, they become leader.” Clearly, this is a restatement of the eternal principle of guru-parampara: One must be a perfect disciple-that is the basis of any spiritual qualification, particularly the qualification to be ‘guru‘.
This restates Srila Prabhupada’s position on those qualified to be gurus after his departure, given in the May 28th GBC conversation, repeated here:
Srila Prabhupada: “And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana. One can understand the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru’s order, the same parampara, he can become guru.”
The simple summary of all Srila Prabhupada’s copious directions on guruship was that the “message should be delivered unchanged”. The question then arises: What is that message?
That “message” is guru, sadhu and sastra. For instance, in Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya, 20. 352, Srila Prabhupada quotes and explains Srila Narottama dasa Thakura:
“Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, sadhu-sastra-guru-vakya, cittete kariya aikya. One should accept a thing as genuine by studying the words of saintly people, the spiritual master and sastra. The actual center is sastra, the revealed scripture. If a spiritual master does not speak according to revealed scripture, he is not to be accepted. Similarly, if a saintly person does not speak according to the sastra, he is not a saintly person. Sastra is the center for all.”
The GBC have failed to understand that their guru-appointment system is a deviation from Vedic sastra and Srila Prabhupada and is therefore not a bona fide branch of the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Parampara.
The bona fide method for continuing the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Parampara is given by Sanatana Goswami in the Hari-Bhakti-Vilasa. This book was composed under the direction of Supreme Lord Sri Caitanya the bestower of religious principles for this age of Kali. In the book, a period close mutual examination is prescribed between the prospective guru and prospective disciple.
The First Vilasa:
Text 74 – The Mantra-muktavali instructs, “The guru and aspiring disciple should live together for a year. They should examine each other to find out their nature, character and compatibility. There is no other way of achieving this.”
Text 75 – The Sruti states, “An aspiring disciple who does not stay together with the guru for a year should not be given diksa-mantra by the guru.”
Text 76 – The Sarasangraha also declares, “The guru should examine an aspiring disciple under his tutelage for a year.”
Text 78 – It is described in the Krama-dipika, “The disciple who is desirous to receive diksa [in the Gopala-mantra] must serve the guru for three years employing his wealth, simplicity of heart, affectionate behaviour, full physical endeavour, gentle speech and favourable attitude with the understanding that the guru is as good as the Supreme Lord. In this manner, when the disciple satisfies his guru, he may beg for diksa.”
The process of examination is based on the requisite qualifications mentioned within the sastra. Thus accepting a guru is not an off-hand casual affair. One should be educated in sastric standards and spend considerable time in respectful examination. Accepting a guru superficially on the basis of an institutional rubber-stamp is pure foolishness. And the GBC, to their discredit, have created the dynamics for such foolishness within ISKCON. Moreover the GBC appointment system directly subverts the sastric direction of mutual examination, because when the naive hear that “this guru is GBC appointed”, they tend to be diverted from the necessity of close personal examination.
Until the GBC start to obey Srila Prabhupada and thus stop “rubber-stamping” “diksa-gurus” and instead just present the parampara-sastra AS IT IS, then we may be assured the big diksa-guru-mess in ISKCON will continue.
Certainly the GBC appointed persons can never be true representatives of Srila Prabhupada and the Brahma-Madhava-Gaudiya-Sampradaya until they realize their mistake and vigorously campaign against this “useless” deviation.
The Timeless Order™
If, as the ISKCON leaders claim, one automatically becomes diksha guru and successor acharya when the guru departs (even without any authorization from the previous guru), then why should they consider what they have done to have been “the greatest disservice to the movement”? They took 11 people and said they were now successor acharya’s because Srila Prabhupada had died. If, as they now teach, one automatically becomes guru when one’s own guru passes away, then why would it have been wrong for them to do what they did? Their philosophy goes like this:
A) When guru departs, the disciples automatically become successor acharyas by some assumed, unwritten “Timeless Order™”.
B) When Srila Prabhupada departed, they made 11 of his disciples as successor acharyas (which is perfectly in line with their claimed point A).
C) Hence (as per their own statements), they have done “the greatest disservicee to the movement”.
As anyone can see, the flow of such a philosophy doesn’t make sense. From point A and B, one would naturally conclude that point C) should be that “they have done everything fine”, since it was in line with the previous points of philosophy that they present. So the question is how do they (from their own statements) go from A) and B) to C), “the greatest disservice to the movement”? Obviously there are a few points missing in their logical equation:
D) Next guru must be authorized by previous Guru.
E) Srila Prabhupada never authorized any successor acharyas.
F) ISKCON Leaders went against Srila Prabhupada’s orders, and fought over the position of successor acharya.
G) “They tried to become more than guru.”
H) “He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure.”
I) “They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’”
J) “They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed.”
K) “They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it.”
L) “They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya.”
Once you take Srila Prabhupada’s own analysis of the history, point C) becomes self evident, “they have done the greatest disservice to the movement”. Seeing Srila Prabhupada’s points G) through L), the conclusion of C) makes sense. But it does not make any sense at all when you accept their “Timeless Order™” theory (i.e. A -> B -> C). Thus their position is not logically consistant, whereas Srila Prabhupada’s position is.
Does Srila Prabhupada know about the Timeless Order™?
The GBC claims that there is an unwritten, assumed Timeless Order™ by which all disciples automatically become diksha gurus upon the departure of their guru. On April 22nd of 1977, Srila Prabhupada had the following conversation:
Srila Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Devotee: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…
Srila Prabhupada: Hm.
Devotee: …but not now.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, ‘Now you become acharya. You become authorized.’ I am waiting for that. You become, all, acharya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Devotee: The process of purification must be there.
Srila Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. “You become guru.” (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower…
Devotee: Not rubber stamp.
Srila Prabhupada: Then you’ll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru?
Let us focus specifically on the following two sentences:
SRILA PRABHUPADA: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, ‘Now you become acharya. You become authorized.’ I am waiting for that. You become, all, acharya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
From Prabhupada’s conversation above it is clear that he was not about to authorize unqualified “rascal gurus”. Thus by his own words, he never authorized Bhavananda, Kirtanananda, Harikesh, Rameswar, Jayatirtha, Bhagavan, Hansadutta, nor Satsvarupa (all fallen conditioned souls) to be diksha gurus. He clearly says “What is the use of producing some rascal guru…”. These people proved themselves to be the very rascal gurus Prabhupada was saying he would not authorize. If these eight false gurus were not authorized by Prabhupada, then none of the original 11 gurus were authorized by him, as their claimed “authorization” was all based on the same evidence.
A) The GBC has previously claimed that Prabhupada authorized 11 diksha guru successors
B) 8 of the 11 proved to be cheaters (“rascal gurus” by Prabhupada’s words).
C) Prabhupada had said he was not going to authorize “rascal gurus”
D) The claimed authorization in point A) was mad up of 70% “rascal gurus”.
E) Thus, Srila Prabhupada never authorized the original group of 11 gurus, as it would conflict with his statements in point C)
What would it mean if Prabhupada said “I am not about to authorize rascal gurus”, and then a few months later, did just that, authorizing a big list of fallen conditioned souls to be his successors? This is what the GBC originally wanted us to believe.
Since it is clear that Prabhupada never authorized the original 11 diksha gurus, the GBC’s latest idea is to invoke a mysterious unwritten “Timeless Order™” by which everyone automatically becomes a successor acharya when the guru departs. But in the above conversation Prabhupada clearly says:
1) I shall say who is guru.
2) (I shall say…) Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.
Prabhupada states that he will say who will be guru, not that there is a Timeless Order™ for every disciple to automatically become successor acharya of his institution. If this Timeless Order™ is really a universally understood truth, then why didn’t Prabhupada know about it? Why didn’t Prabhupada say, “There is no need for me to say who is guru, the Timeless Order™ will automatically appoint successor diksha gurus.” Instead Prabhupada specifically said “I shall say who is guru.”, and that only after he has said who is guru does that person “become acharya” and “become authorized”. If one looks at the original quote from Prabhupada at the very top of this essay, again the idea of a Timeless Order™ is nowhere to be found.
Since Srila Prabhupada said that “he would say who is guru”, a natural question is, can anyone show an order from Prabhupada where he actually does this, authorizing them to be the next successor acharya of ISKCON? Is there any record from Prabhupada where he says 1) “Such and such will be guru” or 2) “Now, Mr. XYZ, you become Acharya, you are authorized“? When Prabhupada has specifically stated that he would tell us who will be the guru(s), and that he would specifically tell us who is authorized, how can the GBC then fall back onto a claim of a “Timeless Order™” by which all disciples automatically become diksha guru successor acharya’s for Prabhupada’s institution. Shouldn’t Prabhupada have been intelligent enough to know about this “Timeless Order™” principle? Why then does Prabhupada says he will tell us who will be the guru?
Certainly out of the nearly 100 “acharyas” the GBC has manufactured, you would think at least one of them must have some statement from Prabhupada saying, “now you become guru.” Amazingly, not a single one has any statement from Prabhupada authorizing them to become diksha gurus after his departure. Thus it is clear that Srila Prabhupada didn’t want any of these people to be his successor, otherwise he would have told us “Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.” After all, it was he who said “I shall say who is guru”.
Some may say that Prabhupada appointed the original 11 zonal acharya’s as the successor acharya’s, but…
1) There is no recorded evidence that such an authorization ever took place. Prabhupada clearly said he would tell who will be guru, yet that instruction has never been given.
2) The only remotely relevant “evidence” (the appointment tape) has been forensically tested and found to have been tampered with/edited and as such inadmissible. Even that tape does not state that these people will be the successor acharya’s of ISKCON.
3) From Prabhupada’s own words he was not about to create “rascal gurus”. Out of the original 11 zonal acharya’s, a very high percentage later were exposed as this very same “rascal guru” that Prabhupada was not going to authorize. Thus from Prabhupada’s own words, it is clear he never authorized these 11 to be successor acharya’s for his institution.
4) Tamal Krishna Maharaja has stated that Prabhupada never appointed a successor (Pyramid House Talks, 1980).
If Prabhupada never appointed successor gurus, and if Prabhupada clearly says “I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru: ‘Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.'”, on what grounds does the GBC then fall back onto the Timeless Order™ concept, rejecting Prabhupada’s statement that he would say who is guru?
Again, Srila Prabhupada’s conclusion is quite a prophecy:
Devotee: No rubber stamp.
Srila Prabhupada: Then you’ll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective.
If someone rubber stamps gurus, without Prabhupada’s direct order, they will cheat and not be effective. It is clear from the zonal acharya’s who have fallen that they were rubber stamped, they cheated, and they were not effective. Again, go back to the original statement of Srila Prabhupada at the top of this essay, and read it through with an open mind. Can anyone honestly say that this isn’t an exact overview of the history of ISKCON after Srila Prabhupada’s departure? I provide the original quote below, so you can review it one more time considering all of the points we have mentioned:
“Why this Gaudiya Matha (Iskcon) failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that ‘This man should be the next acharya.’ But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acharya. That is the failure. They never thought, ‘Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?’ They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acharya. Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection.” – Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 08-16-76, Bombay
4) “They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed.”
The ISKCON leaders wanted to artificially appoint themselves as acharya, and as Tamal Krishna Maharaja explained above, it was due to their desire to control, due to their conditioned nature, and due to their desire to become gurus (only 11 people, worshipped as good as God Himself). Once the 11 zonal acharya’s were artificially created to replace Srila Prabhupada, everything in ISKCON failed. THE HISTORY SINCE THAT TIME HAS BEEN ONE DISGRACE AFTER ANOTHER, SO MUCH SO THAT DEVOTEES ARE EMBARASSED TO LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE DEVOTEES. ALL OF PRABHUPADA’S WEALTH AND ASSETS, MEANT FOR KRISHNA’S SERVICE, HAVE BEEN LOOTED AND STOLEN; MANY WONDERFUL TEMPLES HAVE BEEN CLOSED DOWN AND SOLD OFF; AND WORST OF ALL, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEVOTEES HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED AND THEN LEFT ABANDONED BY FALLEN “GURUS” AND “ACHARYAS”.
Note: THE DEMONS DIMINISH ALL KINDS OF WELFARE. AN OFFENSE AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE DEVOTEES AND BRAHMANAS IS A GREATER OFFENSE THAN THAT COMMITTED AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. THUS A GODLESS CIVILIZATION BECOMES THE SOURCE OF ALL CALAMITIES.
KB 4 Kamsa Begins His Persecutions
Thus being advised by the demoniac ministers, Kamsa, who was from the very beginning the greatest rascal, decided to persecute the brahmanas and Vaisnavas, being entrapped by the shackles of all-devouring, eternal time. He ordered the demons to harass all kinds of saintly persons, and then he entered his house. The adherents of Kamsa were all influenced by the modes of passion as well as illusioned by the modes of ignorance, and their only business was to create enmity with saintly persons. Such activities can only reduce the duration of life. The demons accelerated the process and invited their deaths as soon as possible. THE RESULT OF PERSECUTING SAINTLY PERSONS IS NOT ONLY UNTIMELY DEATH. THE ACT IS SO OFFENSIVE THAT THE ACTOR ALSO GRADUALLY LOSES HIS BEAUTY, HIS FAME AND HIS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES, AND HIS PROMOTION TO HIGHER PLANETS IS ALSO CHECKED. DRIVEN BY VARIOUS KINDS OF MENTAL CONCOCTIONS, THE DEMONS DIMINISH ALL KINDS OF WELFARE. AN OFFENSE AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE DEVOTEES AND BRAHMANAS IS A GREATER OFFENSE THAN THAT COMMITTED AT THE LOTUS FEET OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. THUS A GODLESS CIVILIZATION BECOMES THE SOURCE OF ALL CALAMITIES.
Dear Readers,
This ” Timeless Order™ concept ” is very much prevalent in the Indian Traditional guru Mayavadi system in which the guru’s follower, a senior disciple close to the guru rendering service to him, is chosen and accepted amongst the followers of the guru. That is how he becomes the next guru after the departure of his guru. That is widely known and accepted concept.
Make no mistake, neither Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Paramhamsa Thakur Maharaja nor HDG. Srila Prabhupada followed such system or concept.
Srila Prabhupada clearly says ; ” I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru: ‘Now, you become acharya. You become authorized.”
There is no SUCH authorization from HDG. Srila Prabhupada, ever, never to His disciples to be the next Acharya in the Iskcon through out His VANI after His departure.
During HDG. Srila Prabhupada manifested Lila, He kept the same linage of His Guru Maharaja BSST in order to complete the Business of His Guru Maharaja as it was ordered to Srila Prabhupada by His Guru Maharaja BSST who knew that his followers were very much personally motivated and Srila BSST entrusted the unfinished task of spreading KC in the English speaking world to His disciples BUT only Srila Prabhupada who carried out His Guru Maharaja Order Selflessly and executed it.
After the end of the manifested Lila of Srila Prabhupada, the same poisonous mess of dismantle took place in the Iskcon. That is how there has been a dismantle in BOTH of these Paramhamsa linage NOW.
Only those who are serious, sincere and fortunate enough can take advantage of Srila Prabhupada’s VANI to make ones life sublime in cultivating KC.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
As stated:
“Srila Prabhupada undoubtedly wanted the qualified amongst his disciples to be “regular-gurus”, i.e., give diksa to their own disciples. However it is clear from the above Srila Prabhupada didn’t want the GBC to be involved in “appointing those disciples as diksa-gurus“. The inability of the GBC to recognise this and act accordingly is the very heart of the problem of “diksa-guru-falldown ” since November 1977.”
I feel this statement is contrary to the fact that Srila Prabhupada never wanted or ordered his so-called “qualified disciple-regular gurus” to give diksa to their own disciples.
The very ‘heart of the problem’ is that the GBC refused to accept Srila Prabhupada’s Final Order 9th July 1977, that ALL initiations henceforth will be carried on via the ritvik- representative of the Acarya, not by other ‘diksa gurus’ within his ISKCON, of which he IS the ACARYA
Regular guru refers to siksa instructing guru. Srila Prabhupada is the sole founder & Acarya giving diksa in his society and has clearly stated “So all my disciples are expected to become “śikṣā-guru on my order, not by his own order”.
Conversation 760530R1: HONOLULU 30 May 1976
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I am just trying to clarify—I don’t want to offend anyone—but no disciple of yours should call himself dīkṣā-guru or śikṣā-guru. Am I right?
Prabhupāda: Well, everyone is engaged to become śikṣā-guru, but one should become perfect. The attempt is—what is called?—probationer. When probationer period is finished, then he is naturally, automatically, bona fide guru. Not in the probationer period. That is immature attempt. That will failure. Āmāra ājsāya (CC Madhya 7.128), Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: “By My order.” So all my disciples are expected to become śikṣā-guru on my order, not by his own order. That is meaning I am giving sannyāsa, I am sending you to different places, so this means that you have to carry out the order of the guru very strictly; then you become mature. Otherwise it will be artificial attempt, and that kind of guru will not help.
“Prabhupada: Yes, I am the spiritual master of this institution, and all the members of the society, they’re supposed to be my disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually. So therefore the spiritual master is called guru. That is Sanskrit language.
(S.P. Radio Interview March 12, 1968, San Francisco)”
Yfs, Balaram das
Balaram Prabhu certainly brought out a very misconstrued statement from the article under reference which reads quoting ;
“As stated:
Srila Prabhupada undoubtedly wanted the qualified amongst his disciples to be “regular-gurus”, i.e., give diksa to their own disciples. …………. ”
” Regular – Guru ” means a person or any person who carries and delivers the KC. message As It Is without the adding or deleting. That type of a person is known as a ” regular – guru ” in propagating Krsna Consciousness. It is like a peon or a letter carrier who delivers the letter. That is it.
Some how, the statement written as posted under reference has appeared to be misconstrued, no doubt.
I hope the Editor corrects it.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
99% of the population of the world are dolts and halfwits and are controlled by “The Committee of 300”, this is a parasitical arrangement of ‘predator and prey’. They control ALL religions, “education”, military industrial complex, media and politicians. ISKCON’s “problems” are not just some isolated and insulated, random, phenomena, paradigm of a few people with PDD who have imposed this on the rest of the ISKCON society.
If ISKCON were to suddenly “right itself” it would immediately come under attack by the parasites who control this world (and have done for millennia!) as they are ALL MEMBERS OF SATANIC SECRET SOCIETIES. If the ‘rank and file’ members of ISKCON were mature in their realization of Krishna Consciousness they be would be able to spot the demons and ignore them, but because most are dolts and half-wits themselves they are content to just “drink the poison” being fed to them by these same pretenders that are in control of this world. They have the same psychological makeup as them…..parasites, pathological liars, miscreants, murderers, homosexuals, crypto-Jews, perverts and thieves.
This needs to be slotted near the end of this (last millennia) timeline, just after the ‘1969 timeline’
1977 Crypto Jew Rothschilds Agents poison ISKCON ACHARYA to attempt to halt the progress of Dharma.
Timeline of The History You Did Not Learn at School
TIMELINE OF THE HISTORY YOU DID NOT LEARN AT SCHOOL HOW THE BABYLONIAN EDOMITE KABALLAH JUDAIZED CHRISTENDOM Original Roman Catholic Faction Kabbalists ally with …
[Search domain fourwinds10.com] fourwinds10.com/resources/uploads/files/21274_TIMELINE.pdf
Sorry this was supposed to be a ‘link’. This is a really good document (if you type in the heading you should be able to find it!). It is about 5 pages, from 1066 (Norman conquest of England) up to the present day. All significant world events and the Demonic elements pulling all the strings…..History just repeating itself and an ever present reality that the vast majority are completely oblivious to!
Sudarsana Prabhu, this is really an amazing information.
By any chance, are these nefarious people of different varieties such as materially wealthy powerful leaders in the business, religion and politics, kings and queens etc. in the present time decedents of Kadru who gave birth to different varieties of serpents as per SB. 6.6.21-22 ?
Further more, SB. 6.6.28 confirms this ;
” The sons born of Krodhavaśā were the serpents known as dandaśūka, as well as other serpents and the mosquitoes. All the various creepers and trees were born from the womb of Ilā. The Rākṣasas, bad spirits, were born from the womb of Surasā. ”
Based on the above description, is it possible that these decedents of the Royal family in England are from the Raksasas Race Shape Shifter Reptilians aka Icchadhari Naagas in Sanskrit ?
Out of curiosity, I put up this question knowing that you are a resourceful person, Sudarsana Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Amar Puri Prabhu.
Glad you could access the ‘timeline’ and yes, I have found this to be a very accurate in trying to ‘piece together’ and make sense of the events of almost a thousand years. If we can understand this timeline, this will give a very accurate picture of the material dynamic which has brought the world under this dark influence (which is ALL UNDERPINNED WITH SATANISM). As we go back another thousand years, things become a little more ‘sketchy’ but the dynamic is still the same, with regards to the demonic sphere of control, human sacrifice and depravity. The desert regions (Middle East) seems to be the hub of these demonic manifestations which branched out over several millennia all over the world. Even when Christ was born in this region (being his mission to preach Dharma), his message was not well received by any of the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Philistines, or any of these really degraded people, except the most fortunate and pious.
The Phoenicians were themselves driven out of India (and Afghanistan) by the Aryans and went to these desert regions but I am not sure about the specifics of the events mentioned by Srimad Bhagavatam 6.6.21-22 or 6.6.28. The British (Hebrew: Brit = Secret Covenant and Ish = Man) Royal family (Queen: Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) are actually Frankish, Cabbalist, Jews who are completely under the control of Jew Rothschilds (who have been at the ‘pinnacle’ of power in the last several centuries, both in terms of monetary, political and Satanic power.
My ancestor Sir Walter De Synad (Sinnott), a Poitevin Knight came to England with the Norman invasion and acquired large landholdings in and around Somerset, Penbrokeshire and Lincoln. This is as far back as I can go because ‘surnames’ only came about with the Doomsday Book (20 years later) in 1086. So this ‘TIMELINE’ has been very useful in understanding more about my ancestry and how this all fits together. Although these guys were ”Catholics”, it should be understood that the influence, power and money behind the invasion was by Cabbalist Jews and no doubt Knights Templars (Crypto Jews).
A century later there came the Irish Invasion (Sir William De Clare, “Strongbow”) and my ancestors acquired Baronies in Wexford and built many castles (Artramont, Ballytramont, Ballyfarnogue, Ballyteigue, Ballybrennan and Garrylough and churches, priories etc. Many were Knighted (18 or so) in the ensuing years until the Cromwell Invasion in 1649 where the worst massacre took place at Droheda (3,500) and then Wexford (2,500). My ancestor Colonel David Sinnott was in command of the army at Wexford and negotiating terms when a traitor opened the city gate resulting in a massacre, and his own death.
So this “Protestant Calvinist, Crypto-Jewish” Cromwellian Invasion was actually all bankrolled by Jewish Bankers (in Amsterdam) in a ”deal” which allowed the Jews ‘back into England’ after they had been expelled (by Edward 1) for ‘multiple acts of child sacrifice, drinking of their blood and cannibalism. Cromwell’s soldiers engaged in an orgy of child murder and torture well after the main massacre was over and in the process of the genocide sent 30,000 Irish Catholics to the Caribbean as the first slaves (before they sent African blacks!). So this Crypto-Jew Cromwell is even today, the most hated of anyone in Ireland’s history due to his unprecedented cruelty and treatment of the Irish people. AND THIS WAS ANOTHER CRYPTO-JEW PSYOP (as explained in the ‘TIMELINE’) which ushered the beginning of the Crypto-Jew slave trade which was later, controlled by the House Of Rothschilds and the East India Company!
Not surprisingly though most of the Irish would think this is just a ‘Protestant versus Catholic” conflict not even noticing ”THE ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER OF THE ROOM PLAYING THE BANJO!”…..the always, ever-present, invisible Crypto Jew who is the most cunning, in the business of mass murder of religious persons and the slavery of the ones that remain!
Rocana has manufactured a new breed of CONDITIONED SOUL “Diksa” Gurus to COMPETE WITH the ACTUAL Diksa giver: Srila Prabhupada who is BOTH the FOUNDER – AND – ACARYA of ISKCON. In 1986 Rocana was PART OF “Guru REFORM committee”. In simple terms, this means THEIR invented “Diksa” gurus NEED——– reforming. Now consider this, if their bunch of “Diksa” gurus need REFORM what is their MENTALITY? They should have big boards at front of Temples ” Beware!!! PSYCHOPATH Gurus Reform Training Course”
Here are some Interesting articles:
Rocana Concocts “Regular Joe Devotee” Acharya’s Title
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/10/rocana-concocts-regular-joe-devotee.html
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Reply to Rocana:
Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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Note: Rocana has problem understanding this:
Note: “the spiritual master is ALSO CALLED ācārya”.
From this example, we should learn this principle enunciated by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura:
yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo
yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto ’pi
“By the mercy of the spiritual master one is benedicted by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement.” A disciple should never be a hypocrite or be unfaithful to his spiritual master. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.17.27), the spiritual master is ALSO CALLED ācārya. ĀCĀRYAṁ MĀṁ VIJĀNĪYĀN: THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD SAYS THAT ONE SHOULD RESPECT THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, ACCEPTING HIM AS THE LORD HIMSELF. NĀVAMANYETA KARHICIT: ONE SHOULD NOT DISRESPECT THE ĀCĀRYA AT ANY TIME. NA MARTYA-BUDDHYĀSŪYETA: ONE SHOULD NEVER THINK THE ĀCĀRYA AN ORDINARY PERSON. FAMILIARITY SOMETIMES BREEDS CONTEMPT, BUT ONE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL IN ONE’S DEALINGS WITH THE ĀCĀRYA. Agādha-dhiṣaṇaṁ dvijam: the ācārya is a perfect brāhmaṇa and has unlimited intelligence in guiding the activities of his disciple. Therefore Kṛṣṇa advises in Bhagavad-gītā (4.34):
tad viddhi praṇipātena
paripraśnena sevayā
upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ
jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ
“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.” One should fully surrender unto the spiritual master. and with service (sevayā) one should approach him for further spiritual enlightenment.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/6/7/15
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In Bhagavad-gītā, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the ācārya. ĀCĀRYOPĀSANAM: ONE SHOULD WORSHIP AN ĀCĀRYA, A SPIRITUAL MASTER WHO KNOWS THINGS AS THEY ARE. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER MUST BE IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM KṛṣṇA. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ĀCĀRYAS.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/3/29/17
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Note: How much are they paying Rocana for his Anti Ritvik propaganda?????
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47869
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
SALARIES
Financial statements for the year ended 31 December 2015
Bhaktivedanta Manor (UK)
259649 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LIMITED
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/DocumentList.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=259649&SubsidiaryNumber=0&DocType=AccountList
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £1,658,355
Employees: 172
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
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SALARIES
Soho St Temple – London(UK)
1132794 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LONDON
Accounts for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
Annual Return for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1132794&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends94/0001132794_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £443,967
Employees: 45
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
Wages and salaries £443,967
Rocana is unable to grasp that GURU (MAHABHAGAVATA) comes to REFORM not the otherway round that Guru needs reforming. What is VALUE in these PSYCHOPATH BOGUS Gurus if THEY NEED to be REFORMED?????
TRANSCENDENTAL Knowledge comes from a PURE devotee MAHABHAGAVATA DIksa Guru(Srila Prabhupada THE BONAFIDE Diksa guru). One who is NOT on that plane is INCAPABLE to give TRANSCENDENTAL knowlege.
These GBC factory manufactured bogus CONDITIONED soul gurus have created HAVOC in ISKCON.
More on Rocana’s bogus guru reform:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/11/was-rocanas-guru-reform-responsible-for.html
Note: Jayadvaita talks of “disciplic succession” but SUCCESSION -actually- means an PROMINENT ACARYA SUCCEEDS the former one. And there is NO PROMINENT Acarya TO SUCCEED Srila Prabhupada. So this is just a case of Jayadvaita’s MANIPULATIVE Jugglery of words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm1VD6f3LsI&feature=youtube
Go to Time 49.20/53.22
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Note: Just see the HYPOCRISY! Jayadvaita has ADMITTED: ISKCON gurus have had illicit sexual intercourse with both women and men, and possibly children as well.” So what is VALUE of their bogus conditioned soul gurus??????
FACT: The ISKCON GBC has supported even fallen gurus and tried to paper over their falldowns.
FACT: ISKCON gurus have usurped and misused money, and diverted other ISKCON resources for their own personal prestige and sense gratification.
FACT: ISKCON gurus have had illicit sexual intercourse with both women and men, and possibly children as well.”
(Jayadvaita Swami, Where the Ritvik People are Right, 1996)
Note: There is NOTHING to jump over from Srila Prabhupada the BONAFIDE Acarya(ISKCON FOUNDER -AND- ACARYA). ALL we are doing is JUMPING OVER THEIR BUNCH OF MOST DANGEROUS OPPORTUNIST ANTI-RITVIK BOGUS CONDITIONED SOULS POSING as DIKSA guru.
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Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Some of them will say some things that Kṛṣṇa says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupāda: HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.
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You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. OR EVEN IF YOU READ SOME BOOKS, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT FROM ME. THIS IS CALLED PARAMPARA SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT JUMP OVER TO THE SUPERIOR GURU, NEGLECTING THE NEXT ACARYA, IMMEDIATE NEXT ACARYA.
Note: DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS
SB 3.29.17 P Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila
In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. Acaryopasanam: one should worship an acarya, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER MUST BE IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM KRSNA. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.
It is recommended herewith that all the acaryas be given the highest respect. It is stated, gurusu nara-matih. Gurusu means “unto the acaryas,” and nara-matih means “thinking like a common man.” To think of the Vaisnavas, the devotees, as belonging to a particular caste or community, to think of the acaryas as ordinary men or to think of the Deity in the temple as being made of stone, wood or metal, is condemned. Niyamena: one should offer the greatest respect to the acaryas according to the standard regulations. A devotee should also be compassionate to the poor. This does not refer to those who are poverty-stricken materially. According to devotional vision, a man is poor if he is not in Krsna consciousness. A man may be very rich materially, but if he is not Krsna conscious, he is considered poor. On the other hand, many acaryas, such as Rupa Gosvami and Sanatana Gosvami, used to live beneath trees every night. Superficially it appeared that they were poverty-stricken, but from their writings we can understand that in spiritual life they were the richest personalities.
Note: WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYAS, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. Srila Prabhupada -IS- THE PROMINENT Acarya:
Letter to: Dayananda
San Francisco
12 April, 1968
68-04-12
REGARDING PARAMPARA SYSTEM: THERE IS NOTHING TO WONDER FOR BIG GAPS. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system—namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and SO THESE GAPS DO NOT HAMPER FROM UNDERSTANDING THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYAS, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
Hoping you are all three well, and please keep me informed.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/san_francisco/april/12/1968/dayananda
Actually go to 49:10 minutes, hear this this madman speak about rivik on this you tube video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm1VD6f3LsI&feature=youtube
JAS hears a question from a devotee from Bahrian asking about the riviks who are now preaching in Bahrain and if they are going back to Godhead?
Mahesh Raja is right, here comes the HYPOCRISY and
Jayadvaita’s MANIPULATIVE Jugglery of words when he answers this question!
You must hear his reply about riviks!
Not only does he cut down everyone who is stupid enough to accept the rivik theory, he says the Riviks are a disturbance to the devotees and that is his reason they are NOT going back to Godhead.
I was here in Vrindavan distributing KBI Books (Bhagavad-Gita As It Is) and witness this rascal speaking this nonsense.
Vrindavan TV posted this on YouTube, I’d than started to let our circle know about this envious person posing as a spiritual master, good as God & leader of FISKCON speaking about his take on us and the rivik order.
We need someone to take this video and make another “Jaya Prabhupada ” video analysis on each word and gesture he does.
He always put his foot in his mouth and if you do not accept, your going to hell!
Note: Jayadvaita HATES Srila Prabhupada. Here some info. I was forwarded :
From: Mukunda dasa
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 5:26 AM
To:
Subject: Hear Sinister Whispers of International Jewry Poisoning Prabhupada
http://truth.prabhupada.org.uk/hear-sinister-whispers-of-international-jewry-poisoning-prabhupada
“Put the poison in different containers” Note: After the Jew Thomas G. Herzig spoke these words I also hear him say “It’s alright”. This was not included in the video transcript.
Conversations Vol. 36, page 373: After Srila Prabhupada says “Hmmm. You make me flat” is heard this whisper: “Push real hard, it’s going down him…(giggle) the poison’s going down.”
Con:36.373: After Jayapataka says, “follow the same treatment,” a whisper: “Is the poison in the milk? Um hum.”
Con:36.374: After Srila Prabhupada says, “Daytime we expose…”, we hear the whisper, “Do it now.” Then Srila Prabhupada drinks something.
Con:36.378: We hear the whispers, “Jayadwaita… will you serve Srila Prabhupada poison Jayadwaita?”, then several negative responses followed by “Nette, nette.”
Con:36.391: After Jayapataka says, “Should there be kirtana?” we hear a Bengali phrase, and then the whisper “Poison ishvarya rasa.” Srila Prabhupada replies with “To Me?”, then we hear, “Take it easy, get ready to go,” then a few seconds later, we hear what sounds like Jayapataka say “You’re taking it right now” Srila Prabhupada then says “How’s this?” Then someone says “Let it go.” Then Hansadutta’s kirtan [chanting] begins.
On side A of the “poison tape”, November 11, 1977, was found the following whispers: “Going down” “Did it hurt?” “He’s gonna die” “Listen, he’s saying…. Going to die” “Yes, a heart attack time”
Mr. Jack Mitchell owner/engineer of ” Commercial Audio/ Forensic Audio/ Computer Audio Engineering” Albuquerque, New Mexico. (Sections of Mr. Mitchell’s report on the ‘poison whispers’ are recorded above) “After a week, Jack Mitchell called Mahabuddhi and advised that we should be arranging for legal counsel, as it appeared that what he was analysing was a poison conspiracy, judging from what he had already found on the tape. Mr. Jack Mitchell (referring to Dr. Helen McCaffery): “I sent her the report for her review and told her that if there was anything in there that she felt was incorrect she should tell me, she should change it. Or if she felt that anything needs to be added, then she should add it. She added nothing; she changed nothing. She actually submitted a document in which she says that she is in total agreement with the report, with the findings.”
Mr. Tom Owen. OWL Investigations, Inc
Conclusion: There is conversation about poison and the use of it. In my opinion there is certainly a basis for further investigation. Exhumation would settle the issue, although I am told that it is against religious beliefs. A forensic toxicologist and Homicide investigator should be consulted consulted.
Opinion: Based on my training and experience, the word poison is clearly audible and intelligible in several instances
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Jayadvaita is one of the MAIN suspects in giving Posion to Srila Prabhupada.
Others are: Jayapataka,Tamal Krsna (TKG – already dead), Bhavananda, Bhakti Caru, Gopal Krishna, Hansadutta was in the SAME room when posion was being given – and even today Hansadutta is in denial although advanced techonology has now made it possible HEAR the words in RECORDED poison tapes.
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
Yes, all these FISKCON leaders are Crypto Zionist Jews. Poison is their speciality as they are all gutless vile creatures who are agents of the Jew World Order. They are non djfferent from the Crypto Zionist Jew Politicians who are all sexual deviants, pathological liars and psychopathic murderers and they wont stop until they have enslaved everyone with homo-sex, greed, delusion and madness.
These Crypto Zionist Jews are gloating because they are followed by fools and halfwits who don’t know (or don’t care!) that they poisoned Srila Prabhupada on behalf of their Mossad/CIA/MI6 Zionist Illuminati pals. Those who are the most deluded think that these vermin can be ”reformed!” This is the height of spiritual immaturity and stupidity! Those who think in this way have no understanding of the dynamic at work in the world! These persons make me sick!
Hare Krsna Prabhupadanuga World !
please accept my ecstatic obeisances !
All Glory to Srila Prabhuapda !!!
“According to them (referencing the demons) one interpretation of the scriptures is as good as another, for they do not believe in a standard understanding of scriptural injunctions.” Bhagavad-gita As It Is 1972 16.8 Srila Prabhupada Purport.
the naradhama in this video is the “brilliant student” who didn’t have, and still doesn’t have, a standard understanding of Srila Prabhupada’s life work, and decided his demonic interpretations is what the world needs. Furthermore this pretentious mudha is a perfect and shining example of how not to please Srila Prabhupada. this nincompoop is a dead man walking.
Jaya Prabhupada !!!!!!!!!!
Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu,
As always, it is so good to hear your thoughts with regard to the present days Leaders of all walks of life who are having a sense of some control of the happenings all around the world.
As we understand from the Historical episodes during the Mahabharata period pastimes of the Asuric Kings as described in the Vedic literatures presented by our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada we learn that the different Kirats Kings are closely associated with the yavana and mleccha presence while some famous Kirat personalities are Vaisnava, others are Shaivite or other sects.
Most Kirat Kings worshipped Lord Shiva along with serpents, trees, stones, etc. as we know from the Vedic Scriptures as well as the description of the Origin of the Civilization as we read from the Western Philosophy point of view by various Western Philosophers. We can also see that among the higher classes of Kirats Kings such as Banasura, Naraksura and others worshippers of Lord Shiva who built beautiful buildings i.e. temples, monuments etc. all around the World demonstrate a high standard of architecture and art.
So, these Kirats were among the earliest generations described in the ancient Asian history and the Western history of the civilization over two millennia in which a large portion of the Himalayan regions have been home to the Kirat Kings and their descendants ruling these regions.
Based on the above, my inference is that these Yavanas and Mlecchas so called these nefarious people of different varieties such as materially wealthy powerful leaders in the business, religion and politics, kings and queens etc. in the present time seem decedents of Kirts who were Kadru descends as per SB. 6.6.21-22 and SB. 6.6.28. That is my understanding.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri Prabhu.
Yes, It is my understanding also, that outside of India, before “Christianity” (or rather the distorted version of it!), took hold there is evidence of the last vestiges of Vedic Culture throughout the world. The evidence seems to suggest that much of this consisted of the worship of Lord Shiva, or Lord Vishnu (some linking this to places like Stonehenge and/or the Stone of Scone etc), which the early Medieval “Pseudo Christians” starting with the Romans, then Templars and later Jesuits tried to wipe out completely by labeling these practices “Paganism” and “Idol” worship.
I agree that the demonic leaders of today are linked to the Asuric Kings of the past as it is also a fact that present members of the Illuminati are very much connected by bloodlines going back a long way also, such as the British Royals and the Bush’s (Merovingian Bloodline). It is also true that being born into one of these bloodlines doesn’t necessarily mean that one will become demonic, or undertake the demonic rituals necessary to enter secret societies or Freemasonry, although the probability would be much higher as these demonic persons tend to abuse, brainwash and traumatize their children as a way to control and further their demonic lineage into the future.
The Demons are always in the process of changing, and re-writing history (and also Srila Prabhupada’s books!) as they are pathological liars, this is why they run, Snopes, “Fact Check”, Wikipedia etc, to continually mislead and misinform. This demonic influence is running at fever-pitch at the moment and the bubble is just about to burst, but I think that most people will be caught off-guard and won’t know what hit them!
Hare Krishna. Always good to hear your thoughts!
RE: “last vestiges of Vedic Culture throughout the world”
“It is said that two of Yayāti’s other sons, being disobedient to their father, were given kingdoms outside of India, most probably Turkey and Greece.” Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.27.20 Purport.
TRANSLATION
The daughter of Time [Jarā] was very unfortunate. Consequently she was known as Durbhagā [“ill-fated”]. However, she was once pleased with a great king, and because the king accepted her, she granted him a great benediction.
PURPORT
As Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura sings, saba sukha bhāgala: all kinds of happiness disappear in old age. Consequently, no one likes old age, or jarā. Thus Jarā, as the daughter of Time, is known as a most unfortunate daughter. She was, however, at one time accepted by a great king, Yayāti.
Yayāti was cursed by his father-in-law, Śukrācārya, to accept her. When Śukrācārya’s daughter was married to King Yayāti, one of her friends named Śarmiṣṭhā went with her. Later King Yayāti became very much attached to Śarmiṣṭhā, and Śukrācārya’s daughter complained to her father. Consequently, Śukrācārya cursed King Yayāti to become prematurely old.
King Yayāti had five youthful sons, and he begged all his sons to exchange their youth for his old age. No one agreed except the youngest son, whose name was Pūru. Upon accepting Yayāti’s old age, Pūru was given the kingdom.
It is said that two of Yayāti’s other sons, being disobedient to their father, were given kingdoms outside of India, most probably Turkey and Greece.
The purport is that one can accumulate wealth and all kinds of material opulences, but during old age one cannot enjoy them. Although Pūru attained his father’s kingdom, he could not enjoy all the opulence, for he had sacrificed his youth. One should not wait for old age in order to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Due to the invalidity of old age, one cannot make progress in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, however opulent he may be materially.
Yfs, Bal.
Balaram Prabhu, no doubt you brought out two very good points i.e. Maharaja Yayati’s two disobedient sons were given kingdoms to rule in the region known as Turkey and Greece todays’ time and the obedient youngest son named Puru was given kingdom to rule in the region present day known as India.
We know and understand that the Alexander the great from these areas tried to invade several times Indian territory ruled and known by the name king Purus as per Indian History and Alexander the great was defeated by the Purus army and lost the fight several times.
Is it safe to conclude that the Alexander the great and various other warrior kings were decedents of these two sons of Maharaja Yayati who were known as the Arayan in the western philosophy of the propaganda to deny and minimize the superiority of the Vedic culture in order to promote the Western civilization ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.