Mahesh Raja: WHEN I Order

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1. Mahatma das says:

   26. February 2017 at 2:55 pm

   “And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru’s order, the same paramparā, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you. “(hums)

   (Srila Prabhupada; May 28th, 1977 conversation)

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   • Upakara Dasa says:

     26. February 2017 at 10:10 pm

     Nice quote Mahatma, “he can become guru”, BUT it DOES NOT say “DIKSA” guru – it just says a guru. Don’t misinterpret please.

     Srila Prabhupada clarifies WHAT gurus He is selecting in the MAY 28th Room Conversation – 1977:

     Prabhupada: “Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.”

     Tamala Krsna: “Is that called ritvik-acharya?”
     Prabhupada: “Ritvik yes.”

     • He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik – representative of the acarya,
     • the above eleven senior devotees acting as His (Prabhupadas) representative.
     • The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad,
     • The name of a newly initiated disciple should be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.

     • “…the process for initiation to be followed in the future.” (July 11th)
     • “…continue to become ritvik and act on my charge.” (July 19th)
     • “…continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.” (July 31th)

     Srila Prabhupada: “All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, ‘Here is the next leader.’ Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader…. All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect.” (Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)

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     • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

       28. February 2017 at 1:18 am

       Excellent answer Upakara Prabhu!

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     • Mahesh Raja says:

       4. March 2017 at 11:55 am

       Note: Upakara Dasa das Prabhu has given a very appropriate above reply. The reality IS Anti Ritviks are OPPORTUNIST DEMONS DRESSED AS DEVOTEES and they want to be worshiped AS GOOD AS GOD(Diksa Guru) – so these DEMONS will NOT accept Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order:

       Bg 16.4 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures
       In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE ALWAYS ARROGANT or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY.

       Iso 12
       The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–AND KRSNA’S STATEMENT IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA (4.2) EVAM PARAMPARA-PRAPTAM, “THIS SUPREME SCIENCE OF GOD IS RECEIVED THROUGH THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
       These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.

       Madhya 1.218 The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
       Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba: unless one serves a Vaisnava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaisnavas, his path is clear. Consequently Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu requested all the Vaisnavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaisnava sees that another Vaisnava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaisnavas are not envious. If a Vaisnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaisnavas become very joyful–that is, if they are truly Vaisnavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaisnavas. Why should a Vaisnava be envious of another Vaisnava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaisnava is very pleased to accept another Vaisnava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED. THIS IS ENJOINED IN THE SASTRA (UPEKSA). THE WORD UPEKSA MEANS NEGLECT. ONE SHOULD NEGLECT AN ENVIOUS PERSON. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA. WHEN NAROTTAMA DASA THAKURA SAYS CHADIYA VAISNAVA SEVA NISTARA PAYECHE KEBA, HE IS INDICATING AN ACTUAL VAISNAVA, NOT AN ENVIOUS OR JEALOUS PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA.

       Bg 4.42 P Transcendental Knowledge
       A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself AND BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. The Lord is definitely the supreme person, and His activities are transcendental. One who understands this is a liberated person from the very beginning of his study of the Gita.

       760628bj.nv Conversations
       Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
       Prabhupada: He’s most dangerous. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. HE’S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru. He’s a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He’s servant. He’s not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He’s not guru. He’s servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru.

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   • Mahesh Raja says:

     26. February 2017 at 10:22 pm

     Good to see Mahatma Prabhus input on pointing to āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128) verse:

     Mahatma das:
     26. February 2017 at 2:55 pm
     “And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru’s order, the same paramparā, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you. “(hums)

     (Srila Prabhupada; May 28th, 1977 conversation)

     Mahesh: Ok lets study from above comment. Srila Prabhupada “And therefore I shall select some of you. “(hums)
     So what EXACTLY did Srila Prabhupada SELECT? Did he SELECT Diksa gurus OR did he SELECT Ritviks? Srila Prabhupada SELECTED Ritviks. ONLY RITVIKS WERE SELECTED – FACT!!! Ritviks are ALSO considered as SIKSA (INSTRUCTOR) GURUS. BUT the specific condition of these SIKSA gurus was the disciples were Srila Prabhupada’s NOT theirs as per July 9th 1977 Order. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. INSTRUCTOR( SIKSA) guru is ALSO is what Srila Prabhupada WANTED… “and you should be the INSTRUCTOR guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing”.

     75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
     The GBC should ALL be the INSTRUCTOR gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the INSTRUCTOR guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.

     The yare dekha quote:
     CC Madhya 7.128 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India
     yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa
     āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
     SYNONYMS
     yāre—whomever; dekha—you meet; tāre—him; kaha—tell; kṛṣṇa-upadeśa—the instruction of the Bhagavad-gītā as it is spoken by the Lord or of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which advises one to worship Śrī Kṛṣṇa; āmāraājñāya—under My order; guruhañā—becoming a spiritual master; tāra‘-deliver; eideśa—this country.
     TRANSLATION
     “Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”
     PURPORT
     This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the mahā-mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra at home with their families. One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped. One can also produce many nice preparations to offer Kṛṣṇa-grain, fruit, flowers and milk. Why should one indulge in unnecessary meat-eating and maintain horrible slaughterhouses? What is the use of smoking and drinking tea and coffee? People are already intoxicated by material enjoyment, and if they indulge in further intoxication, what chance is there for self-realization? Similarly, one should not partake in gambling and unnecessarily agitate the mind. The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. THAT IS, ONE SHOULD STAY AT HOME, CHANT THE HARE KṚṢṆA MANTRA AND PREACH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF KṚṢṆA AS THEY ARE GIVEN IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ AND ŚRĪMAD-BHĀGAVATAM.

     Note: as a follow-up of the above: One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES

     Madhya 7.130 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India
     ei mata yāṅra ghare kare prabhu bhikṣā
     sei aiche kahe, tāṅre karāya ei śikṣā
     SYNONYMS
     eimata—in this way; yāṅra—of whom; ghare—at the home; kare—does; prabhu—Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; bhikṣā—accepting prasāda; sei—that man; aiche—similarly; kahe—says; tāṅre—unto him; karāya—does; ei—this; śikṣā—enlightenment.
     TRANSLATION
     At whosoever’s house Śrī Caitanya accepted His alms by taking prasāda, He would convert the dwellers to His saṅkīrtana movement and advise them just as He advised the brāhmaṇa named Kūrma.
     PURPORT
     The cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.

     Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati small child of Symasundara a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?
     741003SB.MAY Lectures
     So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.” JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…
     yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa
     āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
     Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa. He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.
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     a) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per Yare dekhe quote as some MISLEADERS claim then: WHY did Srila Prabhupada say I shall SAY in 1977 I SHALL SAY? This means it was NOT an open order.
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     Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

     b) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per yare dekhe quote:
     Why did Srila Prabhupada say WHEN my guru maharaja ORDERED me in a lecture Nairobi Conversation:

     (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
     Bramananda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
     Prabhupāda: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru–paramparā.
     Indian: Did it…
     Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.

     IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?

     Srila Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
     (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)

     Srila Prabhupada: “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)

     Srila Prabhupada: “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)

     Srila Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)

     The topic is covered here in detail:
     http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40622#more-40622

     Note: ALSO Diksa guru is NOT cheap:

     Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru

     http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094

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     Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru

     http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422

     http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46518#comment-45721

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     Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!

     http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44113#more-44113

     Srila Prabhupada: “I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.”
     WHERE IS THIS ORDER (AUTHORIZATION)? Show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. Exactly WHERE does Srila Prabhupada NAME the ACARYAS in writing?
     All Glories to Srila Prabhupada: OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU for as long as his books are on this planet!
     HARE KṚṢṆA HARE KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA HARE HARE
     HARE RĀMA HARE RĀMA RĀMA RĀMA HARE HARE

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2. Mahatma das says:

   26. February 2017 at 3:08 pm

   http://vanisource.org/wiki/GBC_Meets_with_Srila_Prabhupada_–_May_28,_1977,_Vrndavana

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3. Mahesh Raja says:

   26. February 2017 at 6:06 pm

   If one uses even JUST A -LITTLE- COMMONSENSE then one can come to understand that these conditioned soul bogus gurus manufactured by the fake GBC were NEVER Diksa gurus. They APPOINTED THEMSELVES as Diksa Gurus in ISKCON: Srila Prabhupada did NOT appoint them. Self-made guru cannot be guru: It requires an ORDER from Srila Prabhupada. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Srila Prabhupada said in May 28, 1977, Vrindavan “WHEN I order”. The word WHEN is used. This does NOT mean that he had ordered them as Diksa Gurus IN 1977. They cunningly MANIPULATED the word “WHEN” to mean that Srila Prabhupada had ordered them as Diksa Gurus:

   Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan
   Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”

   Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972
   “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE SUPERIOR GURU.”

   Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport
   “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.”

   Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975
   Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.

   Note: Look at the timing. Just ONE month before – In the APRIL 22 1977 Tamal Krsna ADMITTED they were ALL CONDITIONED SOULS:
   Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977
   Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
   Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…
   Prabhupada: Hm.
   Tamala Krsna: …but not now.
   Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

   Note: There was NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada NAMING ANY individual to be Diksa guru. The ONLY order was to act as Rtvik, which was ALSO RECONFIRMED IN WRITING in July 9th 1977. NOTHING MORE!!! They cleverly WENT SEEKING FOR the APPOINTMENT to be Guru in 770528me.vrn. But Srila Prabhupada out smarted them:

   Satsvarupa’s question was about FIRST and SECOND initiations in the FUTURE:
   770528me.vrn Conversations
   Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
   Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
   Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
   Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.

   Note: Consider this. WHY is it that their words are not QUOTED as Sastra like Srila Prabhupada. Everyone QUOTES Srila Prabhupada. Why is it that nobody QUOTES them? If they are DIVINE Graces WHY are they not QUOTED?

   SRILA PRABHUPADA IS HIS DIVINE GRACE

   67-01-30: Brahmananda
   One thing you may note also as a matter of etiquette. THE SPIRITUAL
   MASTER IS ADDRESSED AS HIS DIVINE GRACE, a Godbrother is addressed as His Grace, and any Sannyasin is addressed as HIS HOLINESS.

   HIS DIVINE GRACE IS ALWAYS CONSULTING KRSNA
   760714iv.ny
   Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in
   charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
   Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
   Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES
   ORDER.
   Interviewer: IT’S A MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION.
   Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER.
   Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
   Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
   Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
   Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY.
   Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other
   kinds of activities as well?
   Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT
   CONSULTING KRSNA.

   HIS DIVINE GRACE SPEAKS AS KRSNA SPEAKS
   Antya 5.71
   One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead DICTATES FROM WITHIN. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM.

   DIFFERENCE IS SRILA PRABHUPADA SPEAKS WHAT KRSNA SPEAKS AND SO-CALLED GURUS HAVE TO JOG THE BRAIN TO GIVE ANSWERS.
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   Prabhupada: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Krsna speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?
   Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
   Prabhupada: He’s MOST DANGEROUS. He’s MOST DANGEROUS. He is OPPORTUNIST. HE’S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, SOMETHING HERE… ACCORDING TO THE CUSTOMER HE IS GIVING SOMETHING, AS THE CUSTOMERS WILL BE PLEASED. SO HE IS NOT GURU. He’s a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He’s servant. He’s not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He’s not
   guru. He’s servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru.

   Note:JUST A FEW PLACES WHERE RITVIKS IN VEDIC SOCIETY PERFORMED CEREMONIES.
   SO-CALLED GURUS PERFORM INITIATION CEREMONIES TODAY ALSO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THESE HYPOCRITES DO NOT WANT TO BE CALLED RITVIKS. ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH KRSNA THEY PREFER TO BE CALLED DIKSA GURUS.

   SB 9.1.15
   adhvaryuna–by the rtvik priest;

   SB 4.5.7
   rtvijah–the priests;

   SB 4.5.18
   rtvijah–the priests

   SB 4.6.52
   rtvijam–of the priests;

   SB 4.7.16
   rtvik–the priests;

   SB 4.7.27
   rtvijah–the priests;

   SB 4.7.45
   rtvijah–the priests;

   SB 4.7.56
   rtvigbhih–with the priests;

   SB 4.13.26
   rtvijah–the priests;

   Mote: SRILA PRABHUPADA GIVES A PERFECT PLAN (KEEPING THE ACARYA AT THE CENTER July 9th 1977 Ritvik ORDER ): THEY PREFER TO BE IMMEDIATELY HIS DIVINE GRACES—–WITHOUT COMMUNICATION WITH KRSNA! SRILA PRABHUPADA’S PLAN IS TOPSY-TURVIED AND THE REST IS HISTORY.
   Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
   —
   Vrindaban
   9 July, 1977

   To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents

   Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
   Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of
   the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik–representative of the acarya, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:

   His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
   His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
   His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
   His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
   His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
   His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
   His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
   His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
   His Holiness Harikesa Swami
   His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
   His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari

   In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada
   recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, THE ABOVE ELEVEN SENIOR DEVOTEES ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book. Hoping this finds you all well.

   Your servant,
   Approved: Tamala Krsna Gosvami
   A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada

   ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

   ONLY ONE QUESTION—If they call themselves Divine Graces then WHY their words are NOT accepted by ALL SECTIONS of society just like Srila Prabhupada? If it is a fact that Krsna speaks through them then ALL OF US would be QUOTING them just like we quote Srila Prabhupada because the words emanating from his lips come from Krsna–is it not?
   Srila Prabhupada is QUOTED because: he is ACCEPTED as authority TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIA:

   Note: Srila Prabhupada is TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIA:
   JAMES.HAY William James Philosophy
   Prabhupada: Yes. That is very nice. Morality means to execute the orders of God. If God is satisfied then it is moral. Otherwise our so-called convention in this material conception of life, “This is good,” “This is bad,” they are described as mental concoction. We must have clear orders from God, and if we execute it for the satisfaction of God, this means, in other words, morality means the action which satisfies God, the Supreme Lord. That is morality. And if he does not satisfy the Lord, then it is not morality; it is immorality. WE THEREFORE SING EVERY DAY YASYA PRASADAD BHAGAVAT-PRASADO, AND THE ORDERS OF GOD IS CARRIED THROUGH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD, SPIRITUAL MASTER, BECAUSE DIRECTLY WE HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH GOD. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS THE TRANSPARENT VIA MEDIA BETWEEN GOD AND OURSELF. IN OUR PERFECT STAGE, OF COURSE, WE CAN TALK WITH GOD, BUT IN THE BEGINNING, NEOPHYTE STATE, THERE IS NO SUCH CHANCE; THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE INSTRUCTION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER WHO HAS GOT DIRECT CONNECTION WITH GOD. And if we satisfy the spiritual master, this means we have satisfied God. That is happiness.

   ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAD DIKSA -AND- SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!

   “We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”

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4. Mahesh Raja says:

   27. February 2017 at 1:18 pm

   Some clarifications:
   1)July 9th 1977 is a letter addressed to To ALL G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
   2) It is SPECIFIC on the TITLE of Ritviks: RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA
   3) the specific duties are assigned: FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION
   4) Specific instructions given to the Ritvik Representative of Acarya: ” THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD…”,
   5) There is NO INSTRUCTION EXCEPT the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order for conducting 1st and 2nd initiations in the society. ONLY July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order is accepted as per Srila Prabhupada. No invention required.
   6) We do not use the words “Ritvik Guru” because Srila Prabhupada has not used these words. BUT we DO use the SPECIFIC title RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA because that is the instruction to the letter July 9th 1977 addressed to To ALL G.B.C., and Temple Presidents.
   7) Ritvik is REPRESENTING the Acarya so obviously that is VERY BIG responsibility REPRESENTING Srila Prabhupada. Ritvik CAN be an ADVANCED devotee giving SIKSA that confirms to our Diksa Guru Srila Prabhupada:
   740704BG.HON Lectures
   Prabhupada: Then so siksa and diksa-guru… A SIKSA-GURU WHO INSTRUCTS AGAINST THE INSTRUCTION OF SPIRITUAL, HE IS NOT A SIKSA GURU. HE IS A DEMON. Siksa-guru, diksa-guru means… Sometimes a diksa-guru is not present always. Therefore one CAN take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the siksa-guru. SIKSA-GURU DOES NOT MEAN HE IS SPEAKING SOMETHING AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF THE DIKSA-GURU. HE IS NOT A SIKSA-GURU. HE IS A RASCAL.

   8)
   Note: there are ALSO instances that even a prostitute becomes a SIKSA(INSTRUCTING) guru:
   741202SB.BOM Lectures
   This is the experience of Bilvamangala Thakura. He was a South Indian brahmana, very rich brahmana. But by bad association or something like that, he became a very staunch prostitute hunter. So he engaged all his income, money, everything, after one prostitute. Her name was Cintamani. So it is a very nice story. I am briefly describing. So one night… Every night he was to go to that prostitute, and one night it was very terribly raining. So the prostitute thought, “Now this night Bilvamangala is not coming. It is terribly raining.” But Bilvamangala went there, crossing the river, and the door was closed. He jumped over the door catching a snake. In this way, very dangerously, he reached the prostitute’s house. And the prostitute was astonished, that “How is this condition you could come here? Oh, you are so much attracted by this skin. If this much attraction you would have to Krsna, how it would have been nice for you.” So immediately he left the prostitute’s house and went to Vrndavana.
   THE FACT IS IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE HE EXECUTED DEVOTIONAL SERVICE UP TO BHAVA-BHAKTI. SO HIS CINTAMANI, THAT PROSTITUTE, BECAME HIS GURU, REMIND THAT “YOU ARE SO MUCH FOND OF PROSTITUTE. IF THIS ATTRACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO KRSNA, HOW MUCH SUCCESSFUL YOU WOULD HAVE…” SO IT ACTED, AND HE LEFT TO VRNDAVANA AND LIVED FOR SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS. So he has a book, Krsna-karnamrta, Bilvamangala Thakura. That is recommended by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for reading, Krsna-karnamrta. So in that book he writes, bhaktis tvayi sthiratara bhagavan yadi syat: “If we have got fixed-up devotion unto You, my Lord, Bhagavan,” then daivena nah phalati divya-kisora-murtih, “then very easily we can see Your form,” divya-kisora-murtih, “Your divine form,” kisora-murtih, “very young boy.” Krsna is always kisora. Krsna’s another name is Kisora. Kisora-murtih. Kisora means kaisora, before marriage, before…, eleventh to sixteenth year. This is called kisora age. So kisora-murtih. Krsna is always kisora-murtih. So by devotional service, one can see the kisora-murtih of Krsna very easily. Bhaktis tvayi sthiratara bhagavan yadi syat: “If it is possible, then very easily we can see You.”
   Adi 1.57 The Spiritual Masters
   BILVAMANGALA THAKURA ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO THE TRANSCENDENTAL PASTIMES OF LORD KRSNA. He has recorded his transcendental experiences and appreciation in the book known as Krsna-karnamrta. IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT BOOK HE HAS OFFERED HIS OBEISANCES TO HIS DIFFERENT GURUS, AND IT IS TO BE NOTED THAT HE HAS ADORED THEM ALL EQUALLY. THE FIRST SPIRITUAL MASTER MENTIONED IS CINTAMANI, WHO WAS ONE OF HIS INSTRUCTING SPIRITUAL MASTERS BECAUSE SHE FIRST SHOWED HIM THE SPIRITUAL PATH. CINTAMANI WAS A PROSTITUTE WITH WHOM BILVAMANGALA WAS INTIMATE EARLIER IN HIS LIFE. SHE GAVE HIM THE INSPIRATION TO BEGIN ON THE PATH OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, AND BECAUSE SHE CONVINCED HIM TO GIVE UP MATERIAL EXISTENCE TO TRY FOR PERFECTION BY LOVING KRSNA, HE HAS FIRST OFFERED HIS RESPECTS TO HER. NEXT HE OFFERS HIS RESPECTS TO HIS INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER, SOMAGIRI, AND THEN TO THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, WHO WAS ALSO HIS INSTRUCTING SPIRITUAL MASTER. He explicitly mentions Bhagavan, who has peacock feathers on His crown, because the Lord of Vrndavana, Krsna the cowherd boy, used to come to Bilvamangala to talk with him and supply him with milk. In his adoration of Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, he describes that Jayasri, the goddess of fortune, Srimati Radharani, takes shelter in the shade of His lotus feet to enjoy the transcendental rasa of nuptial love. The complete treatise Krsna-karnamrta is dedicated to the transcendental pastimes of Sri Krsna and Srimati Radharani. It is a book to be read and understood by the most elevated devotees of Sri Krsna.

   9) CHILD can be siksa guru.
   Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati small child of Symasundara a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?
   741003SB.MAY Lectures
   So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.” JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…
   yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa
   āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
   Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa. He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.

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5. Mahatma das says:

   27. February 2017 at 1:20 pm

   Thanks for nice input Mahesh prabhu.

   On May 28th Srila Prabhupada says:
   Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas.
   Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya?
   Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes.
   Satsvarūpa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the…
   Prabhupāda: He’s guru. He’s guru.
   Satsvarūpa: But he does it on your behalf.
   Prabhupāda: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order… Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). Be actually guru, but by my order.

   Then a few moments later Srila Prabhupada adds and clarifies:
   “And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru’s order, the same paramparā, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you. “(hums)

   To actually qualify as bona fide guru one needs first to understand the order of his guru:
   Clearly the order on initiation both on may 28th and july 9th calls for ritvik initiation.
   Therefore Srila Prabhupada recommended or selected the 11 to act as officiating acaryas and initiate on his behalf, in his name.
   Unfortunately most ( all) of the senior 11 did not understand Srila Prabhupada’s order
   And most so called gurus in ISKCON still do not understand this order.
   Sad.

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   • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

     1. March 2017 at 8:18 am

     Mahatma Das says:

     “Unfortunately most (all) of the senior 11 did not understand Srila Prabhupada’s order. Sad.”

     Well, that’s one way to sum it up! And after 40 years, they STILL have not understood. What is the reason? are they retarded? deaf and dumb? or just plain stupid? Hardly a qualification for GBC.

     Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.

     Tamal Krishna: Is that called Ritvik?

     Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik yes.

     What is there not to understand?

     There is of course another explanation (if we can accept that they are not retarded) and that is mendacious and calculated treachery.
     Puranjana Das has stated that Tamal was advising all the GBC to read ”The Prince” by Nicola Machiavelli ( Hansadutta’s History Pt 1. ). Many of Srila Prabhupada’s other senior disciples have also given accounts of subversive and clandestine behavior from the GBC in this regard…….”No surprise there!”

     The real fact is that this was an aggressive “take no prisoners” coup d’etat, trampling all over Srila Prabhupada’s final instructions by usurpers and demons.

     Nicola Machiavelli’s The Prince is ‘The Bible’ of the Freemason Illuminati. When the instructions of The Acharya are trampled on. When The Acharya is poisoned, his position usurped and his books banned, changed, then bastardized by conspirators, this is insurrection, a demonic insurrection. At that point it is just mundane politics, that’s it! with NO SPIRITUAL VALUE WHATSOEVER!

     “Men in general judge more by the sense of sight than by the sense of touch, because everyone can see but only a few can test by feeling. Everyone sees what you seem to be. FEW KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY ARE and those few DO NOT DARE TAKE A STAND against general opinion.”

     Nicola Machiavelli

     These personalities are nothing but thieves, debauchees and hypocrites and like to give ”sweet little lectures” to their inexperienced, vunerable disciples about “criticising vaisnavas”. (Romapada, Dandavats. Feb 2017). Vaisnavas do not murder Acharyas, change his books or usurp his position as Diksha Guru or (like Romapada) do not use Srila Prabhupada’s temple like Cash Converters, money lending, usury business, then AGAINST ALL SRILA PRABHUPADA’S CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS TRY TO SELL THE TEMPLE!

     The illuminati ‘Fabian Society’ is also strongly influenced by Machiavelli. Tony Blair (Knights of Malta) is a member of the Fabian Society (the symbol or logo of which is ‘a wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing!) which is benign and innocent in ”appearance” but underneath the deceptive veneer vicious, duplicious and demonic.

     ”There is nothing more important than APPEARING TO BE RELIGIOUS”

     Nicola Machiavelli

     Dandavats also likes to “glorify” these reprobates like Tamal. Their “writers” are whores and eunuchs.
     I was visited by Tamal’s ghost at the time of his death and he wasn’t smiling then…only the look of dread and shock as he descended downwards into hell. His head at my feet!

     If you think that Jayapataka is in control of Mayapur then think again. (can he even tie his shoelaces?).
     Ford (Bhavananda’s lover) is really calling all the shots. The Ford and Rockerfeller ”Foundations” (another scam for tax-free status) are ‘joined at the hip’ and are agents of the Rothschilds Iluminati Roundtable and their main business is The New World Order, centralized control, population reduction, and “sustainable development” (Ford closed down in Australia after 90 years of operation)….seems like it is only ”sustainable” when you operate in ‘third world countries’ Ford shut down the investigation into the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada also….Are you starting to get the picture now?

     Agenda 21 (and 2030 Agenda) is the plan ‘coming to a town near you’ FISKCON media (”Dandavats” {please fall over and break your neck!}, and FISKCON ”news”) just mimic the ‘mainstream press’ with all their “climate change” bullshit, award ceremonies, business conferences and ‘brown-nosing’ politicians and “dignitaries” (it really makes you want to vomit!) This is why they have access to all these political cronies and corporate functions…..part of the corrupt establishment at last! Hypocrites and phonies the lot of them, prostitutes and eunuchs. If you get your information from the mainstream (Roundtable controlled) press you will remain an idiot your whole life!

     Freud who was the head of The Tavistock Institute and who was involved in ”mind control” and ”manipulation” and “social conditioning” programs had a nephew called Edward Burnais.
     Edward Burnais studied Group Dynamics and became “The Father of Public Relations”. He wrote his book “Propaganda” (1928). In it he wrote how to intelligently and consciously ‘manipulate the habits and the opinions of the masses in society. He went on to state that those who harness this unseen mechanism of society costitute an invisible government and are the true ruling power. It is they that pull the wires that control the public mind, who harness social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world.

     The media instead of being the watchdogs have become the gatekeepers of the system.
     The Zionist controlled media includes………
     CNN, NBC, MTV, Fox News, BBC News 24, Bloomberg, Financial Times, BBC Radio, ABC (USA), New York Times, CNN Radio, Sky News, Chicago Tribune, Forbes, AP, The Sun, CNBC, MGM, Paramount, LA Times, Time, Washington Post, Disney, National Post, The Daily Show, USA Today, PBS,CBS, MSNBC, Newsweek, Reuters, Wall St Journal, BBC News 24, BBC, Fortune, Herald Tribune, Miramax, Warner Bros etc etc. All controlled by The Round Table (Bilderberg Group, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, Royal Institute of International Affairs and the UN).

     The only solution to the New World Order is The Varnashrama Dharma system that is why the agent of Adharma have poisoned Srila Prabhupada, usurped his position and changed his books.

     All other Philosophies, sciences most religious practices are a creation of masonic secret societies and have their roots in mysticism, worship of demons and depravity. These are created to destroy Dharma create fear, dependence and continual conflict whilst promoting homosexuality, greed , gluttony, envy and lust. The goal has always been the destruction of Dharma, that is why all the worlds religions have been either infiltrated by demons or created by them.

     “No one will enter The New World Order unless he or she make a pledge to worship lucifer”

     David Spangler UN

     “We shall have a New World Government WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE IT, By conquest or consent”

     James Warburg (CFR)

     “The world can now seize the opportunity to fulfill the long held promise of a New World Order. We find meaning and reward by serving some higher purpose than ourselves. A shining purpose, illumination of a thousand points of light”

     George W H Bush (Magog)

     If you follow the river back to it’s source then the water becomes clear, crystal clear.

     Daso Smi

     Sudarsana

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6. Mahesh Raja says:

   3. March 2017 at 12:19 pm

   Devotees will be interested in this video:
   Srila Prabhupada appointing 11 Ritviks NOT Gurus

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgumF51dMhA

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7. Mahesh Raja says:

   3. March 2017 at 5:56 pm

   Mahatma Das says:“Unfortunately most (all) of the senior 11 did not understand Srila Prabhupada’s order. Sad.”

   Sudarsana Das Vanacari :Well, that’s one way to sum it up! And after 40 years, they STILL have not understood. What is the reason? are they retarded? deaf and dumb? or just plain stupid? Hardly a qualification for GBC.

   Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.

   Tamal Krishna: Is that called Ritvik?

   Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik yes.

   What is there not to understand?

   There is of course another explanation (if we can accept that they are not retarded) and that is mendacious and calculated treachery.

   Mahesh: Thank-you! Sudarsana Prabhu for an excellent analysis. The Anti Ritvik goons BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada. IT IS CALCULATED TREACHERY. And THAT is a FACT!!! They were ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada. They were after labha-puja-pratistha. To them it was material profit(labha), some material adoration(puja), material reputation (pratistha). So it was labha-puja-pratistha. And—- for THIS they wanted to GET RID OF Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru and REPLACE his Ritvik System with their own CONCOCTION of bogus CONDITIONED SOUL gurus.

   Work this out. HOW can any SANE person worship these Anti Ritvik LUNATICS as good as God?
   NOBODY QUOTES THEM like we QUOTE Srila Prabhupada—– AND—– they want to be worshiped AS GOOD AS GOD! Krsna does NOT communicate with them. They are NOT transparent via media.

   LCFL Life Comes From Life
   Srila Prabhupada. Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: SVA-VID-VARAHOSTRA-KHARAIH SAMSTUTAH PURUSAH PASUH. THIS VERSE INDICATES THAT THOSE WHO PRAISE MEN WHO ARE LIKE ANIMALS ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.”

   THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION

   http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44093#more-44093

   All Glories to Srila Prabhupada our BONAFIDE Diksa Guru!

   “We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”

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   • Balaram das says:

     4. March 2017 at 12:10 am

     Mahesh Raj Prabhu: “They were ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada. They were after labha-puja-pratistha. To them it was material profit(labha), some material adoration(puja), material reputation (pratistha). So it was labha-puja-pratistha. And—- for THIS they wanted to GET RID OF Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru and REPLACE his Ritvik System with their own CONCOCTION of bogus CONDITIONED SOUL gurus.”

     Yes Prabhu and this was evident with these cretins right from the very start when they saw the ‘profit’ potential, especially around the early programs with the big 60s groups like the Grateful Dead etc. So it was always there, and the hypocrisy (Oh, ready to jump), is clearly evident in this conversation with Srila Prabhupada>>

     Actually Srila Prabhupada stated that he was worried his own disciples would do the same thing as the Gaudiya Matha:

     “Bhavananda: There will be men, I know. There will be men who want to try and pose themselves as Guru.
     Tamala Krishna: That was going on many years ago. Your Godbrothers were thinking like that. Madhava Maharaja…
     Bhavananda: Oh, yes. Oh, ready to jump.
     Srila Prabhupada: Very strong management required and vigilant observation.

     (Room Conversation, May 27th, 1977)”

     Yfs, Bal.

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8. Mahesh Raja says:

   3. March 2017 at 7:33 pm

   Where the Ritvik People are Right, Jayadvaita Swami, 1996

   FACT: ISKCON gurus have opposed, oppressed and driven out many sincere Godbrothers and Godsisters.
   FACT: ISKCON gurus have usurped and misused money, and diverted other ISKCON resources for their own personal prestige and sense gratification.
   FACT: ISKCON gurus have had illicit sexual intercourse with both women and men, and possibly children as well….’ etc, etc

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   This above CONFESSION is from Jayadvaita—— AND he is one of their OWN Anti Ritvik man making this CONFESSION of WHAT SORT OF bogus Anti Ritvik conditioned soul gurus they are.
   Now, just look at the above – THESE are their OWN brand of Anti Ritvik CONDITIONED SOUL bogus gurus and they WORSHIP these animals INSTEAD of Srila Prabhupada the BONAFIDE Diksa guru as per July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order.
   So—— WHAT is their MENTALITY?

   LCFL Life Comes From Life
   Srila Prabhupada. Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: SVA-VID-VARAHOSTRA-KHARAIH SAMSTUTAH PURUSAH PASUH. THIS VERSE INDICATES THAT THOSE WHO PRAISE MEN WHO ARE LIKE ANIMALS ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.”

   Note: the conclusion is they are ALL going to hell:
   SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
   A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.

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