75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
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“mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound.”
Srila Prabhupada :”If you say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra is bona fide.”
Note: the FISKON CONDITIONED soul Anti Ritvik ROGUES posing as Diksa guru are only giving CEREMONY and name change. Mantra given is :
“mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound.”
Srila Prabhupada the BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU GIVES INITIATION: the Anti Ritvik ROGUE POSING as Diksa guru does NOT give INITIATION:
Srila Prabhupada; Regarding your questions, second initiation is real initiation. First initiation is the preliminary, just to make him prepared, just like primary and secondary education. The first initiation gives him chance to become purified, and when he is actually purified then he is recognized as a brahmana and that means real initiation. The eternal bond between disciple and spiritual master begins from the first day he hears. Just like my spiritual master. In 1922 he said in our first meeting, you are educated boys, why don’t you preach this cult. That was the beginning, now it is coming to fact. Therefore, the relationship began from that day.
If you think of me and work for me, then I am in your heart. If you love somebody he is in your heart. It is common thing, everyone understands it. If I hate somebody or if I love somebody he is also in my heart. Therefore, simply by hating Krishna he gets salvation, like Kamsa. So if you want to hate, hate Krishna.
There is no difference between me and my picture. Therefore, we should honor and keep pictures in that spirit. If we throw pictures this way and that way, that is offense. The name and picture are as good as the person in spiritual world. In the material world either picture or person, everything is illusion.
The spiritual master accepts the sinful activities of his disciples from the first initiation. I may give initiation very easily, but what can I do? I am prepared to go to hell for service of Lord Caitanya.
Lord Brahma should always be shown front side.
Hoping this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta SwamiACBS/sda link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/new_vrindaban/september/04/1972/jadurani
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Note: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura states that the word vyavahita (“improperly uttered”) is not used here to refer to the mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound.
TEXT 59
nāmera akṣara-sabera ei ta’ svabhāva
vyavahita haile nā chāḍe āpana-prabhāva
SYNONYMS
nāmera—of the holy name; akṣara—letters; sabera—of all; ei—this; ta’-certainly; sva-bhāva—the characteristic; vyavahita haile—even when improperly uttered; nā—do not; chāḍe—give up; āpana-prabhāva—their own spiritual influence.
TRANSLATION
“The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly.
PURPORT
Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura states that the word vyavahita (“improperly uttered”) is not used here to refer to the mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound. Utterance of the holy name while one engages in sense gratification is an impediment on the path toward achieving ecstatic love for Kṛṣṇa. On the other hand, if one who is eager for devotional service utters the holy name even partially or improperly, the holy name, who is identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, exhibits its spiritual potency because of that person’s offenseless utterance. Thus, one is relieved from all unwanted practices, and one gradually awakens his dormant love for Kṛṣṇa.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/antya/3/59
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Devotee (3): In regard to worshiping arcā-vigraha form, you have explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So, I would like to ask if one is worshiping a Deity and his spiritual master is not bona fide, so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?
Srila Prabhupāda: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide? Your statement is contradictory. If you say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra is bona fide.
Devotee (3): Then why is he giving instruction to worship the Deity? If the spiritual master is not bona fide, then is the Deity also not bona fide?
Srila Prabhupāda: I do not follow. What does he say?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide…
Srila Prabhupāda: Then there is no question of mantra. There is no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. If you are not… Just like here is a young medical man. If he has not received instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what is the value of his medical, being… That is… What is called? What is the technical name?
Devotee (4): Quack.
Srila Prabhupāda: Quack! (laughter) (pronounces like “quark”)
Devotees: Quack.
Srila Prabhupāda: A quack is not a medical man; however, he may show all red bottles, white bottles. There is a Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar. (?) One stethoscope, naj(?), and some bottles, jala, and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That means the quack doctor, not a… Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar(?). In Bengali they say. And mostly in villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got some experience. I know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabhir, a Dr. Kabhir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist and druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So, he had that… This Dr. Kabhir was a compounder. Later on, he practiced. So, he had very, very big prac… He was my biggest customer. He was purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He learned from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus, because whatever he learned, he was… But generally, one who is not a bona fide doctor, he is called a quack. So, anything, experience required, not that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained under a bona fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a doctor. Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master to learn this transcendental science.
Guest: There is a, just a quotation from Bengali poet that to be devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, one should be fully trained without any… And it is often said that in this Kali-yuga, even if you do not know, or if you are not studied any books, but if you know only bhakti…
Srila Prabhupāda: What is that? If you know bhakti… That’s a very big task. If you know actually bhakti, then it is all good. But do you know what is bhakti? First thing is that.
Guest: Means worshiping God. By understanding this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa, if you do not know any scriptures, you do not know śrutis, mantras, anything, then has any effect at all?
Srila Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, because this is a special advantage for the people in this age, that if he chants this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without any offense, purely, then… There are three stages of chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. In the beginning there are full of offenses. Then it is almost offenseless. And then, when it is pure, that is perfectional stage. So, by chanting, if you practice chanting, even though in the beginning it is full of offenses, but if you continue chanting… Therefore, we say that “You must chant so many times.” So even there are offenses, by chanting, chanting, chanting, chanting, he will be purified. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So therefore, in this age we must stick to this process of chanting. That will make us perfect. If not immediately, it will do, certainly. That is special advantage for the men of this age. Kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann asti hy eko mahān guṇaḥ. Mahān guṇaḥ. It is a great advantage. What is that? Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya: [SB 12.3.51] “Simply by chanting Lord Kṛṣṇa’s name,” mukta-saṅga, ‘he becomes free from all contamination and he becomes eligible to be promoted to the spiritual kingdom.” That is special advantage of this age. Therefore, we are advising, we are preaching, that “You chant this mantra. In any condition of life, begin chanting. You will be benefited.” Yes.
Devotee (5): Prabhupāda, you mentioned a person who commits sins because he is in ignorance.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee (5): What if the person knows what he is doing is wrong, and he knows what the ultimate result of his doings is also wrong, but he still commits? Is that still ignorance?
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. That is ignorance-rooted, ignorance, heart, rooted in the heart. That can be… Therefore, Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommends ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. You have to cleanse your heart. Then, when your heart is cleansed, then you will say, “No, no. No more I am going to do this. I have suffered so much. No. No.” That is real knowledge. Unless your heart is cleansed, then, even though you know that “By committing theft I will be punished,” you will commit, because the heart is not clear. Even though one knows that “By doing this, I will suffer,” still, he will do that. That distinction is always there. Therefore the only method is this cleansing process in this age, Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.
Revatīnandana: In the Fourteenth Chapter in the Gītā, you describe that the mode of goodness, people who are in the mode of goodness become conditioned by that mode, and they come back repeatedly as philosophers, educators, like that.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Revatīnandana: And then in the Eighteenth Chapter there are different qualities described, and the qualities in the mode of goodness are said to be leading to self-realization. So, is there a distinction between that mode of goodness described in the Eighteenth Chapter and the Fourteenth Chapter?
Srila Prabhupāda: No. Goodness is a chance. If you acquire… Just like if you become a graduate, there is chance of becoming a lawyer. But if you do not become a lawyer, you remain only graduate. That’s all. But without becoming graduate they cannot enter to be a lawyer. Similarly, goodness is the qualification of a brāhmaṇa. A brāhmaṇa has a chance. When you are qualified, you are following the regulative principles, qualified, you have got the chance of being promoted to become a Vaiṣṇava. That is the advantage. But in this age… Again, the same thing. Even one is not a brāhmaṇa—he is in the category of caṇḍāla—still, if he chants this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, he becomes elevated to the position more than a brāhmaṇa. Yes.
Revatīnandana: Is that called purified goodness?
Srila Prabhupāda: Purified… Goodness is purified, but this material world is so made that you cannot have here absolute goodness. That is not possible. There is… Sometimes it is mixed with passion, mixed with ignorance, mixture. You see? Therefore, the transcendental stage is called śuddha-sattva. Sattva-guṇa is goodness, and the platform where the other qualities cannot contaminate even the quality of goodness, that is the stage of devotion. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā:
māṁ ca yo ‘vyabhicāreṇa
bhakti-yogena sevate
sa guṇān samatītyaitān
brahma-bhūyāya kalpate
[Bg. 14.26]
All the guṇas… He transcends all the three guṇas. He remains in the fourth stage. Therefore Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is so powerful. If you keep yourself always chanting, you will stay on the…, above goodness, where this passion, the mode of passion and ignorance, cannot touch you. Yes.
Guest: Is it true that all… (end) Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/6/1/41-42/surat/december/23/1970
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The chanting Hare Krishna is our main business, that is REAL initiation. And as you are all following my instruction, in that matter, the initiator is already there.
Srila Prabhupada letter August 19, 1968
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Srila Prabhupada: YES. NOW THIS INITIATION, FROM THIS DAY YOUR ACCOUNT, PAST LIFE, ALL SINFUL ACTIVITIES, IS NOW WHAT IS CALLED, ADJUSTED. CLOSED. IT IS FINISHED. NOW BECAUSE BY CHANTING HARE KRSNA YOU CAN FINISH YOUR SINFUL ACTIVITIES’ REACTION, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WILL REPEAT: “OH, I SHALL COMMIT SINFUL ACTIVITIES AND I SHALL CHANT. IT WILL BE ADJUSTED. The balance will be nil.” No. Not like that. Don’t commit that. Whatever is done is done. No more. Now there should be pure life. No illicit sex life, no intoxication, no gambling, and no meat-eating. Finished now. It is not that “Oh, I am chanting Hare Krsna. Let me go to the hotel and take some meat.” No. Then it will be a great sin. Don’t do that. THEN THE CHANTING OF HARE KRSNA WILL NOT FRUCTIFY IF YOU COMMIT OFFENSE. Next?
Srila Prabhupada lecture – October, 20, 1968 Seattle
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The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
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Prabhupada: So you will be initiated, that’s nice. So anyone or any one of you,
when you agree to follow the regulative principles, and if you are
recommended by our men, then you can also be initiated. It is not difficult.
INITIATION IS FORMALITY.
First of all you have to decide whether you will abide by the rules and
regulation and become Krsna conscious. That is your consideration. You have
to think yourself whether you are going to take seriously this Krsna
consciousness. It is your decision. INITIATION IS FORMALITY.
IF YOU ARE SERIOUS, THAT IS REAL INITIATION. SO IF YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE KRSNA PHILOSOPHY, AND IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT YOU WILL TAKE Krsna CONSCIOUSNESS SERIOUSLY AND PREACH THE PHILOSOPHY TO OTHERS, THAT IS YOUR INITIATION. MY TOUCHING IS SIMPLY FORMALITY. IT IS YOUR DETERMINATION THAT IS INITIATION.
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Conversations : 1976 Conversations : October, 1976 : Press Interview — October 16, 1976, Chandigarh : 761016iv.cha :
Prabhupada: Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. [break] …knowledge. INITIATION IS FORMALITY. Just like you go to a school FOR KNOWLEDGE, and admission is formality. THAT IS NOT VERY IMPORTANT THING.
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Note: to disregard accepting Srila Prabhupada (Mahabhagavata) as Diksa Guru is 3rd offense in chanting the Holy Name:
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha-Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
Very simple understanding: If the mantra is NOT given by Srila Prabhupada through the Ritvik System (July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order) as ordered by Srila Prabhupada then the BOGUS Gurus of IS_CON are CON – Artists. They are CON MAN POSING as Diksa guru. There is NO INITIATION. They have only gone through ONLY the FAKE CEREMONY – that is it! The CON MAN wanted his HOLD on the SLAVES (disciples) and MONEY screwing. So this was the CEREMONY to HOOK-UP FREE SLAVES.
Srila Prabhupāda: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide?
https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/6/1/41-42/surat/december/23/1970
“..mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound.”
https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/antya/3/59
1) It requires one to be Maha-Bhagavat to be Diksa Guru—AND— be AUTHORISED by Srila Prabhupada. But they are NOT. Srila Prabhupada only said (1977) WHEN I ORDER. He said the word “WHEN” this does not mean he ORDERED them:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46581
These IS-CON bunch of CON ARTISTS are after MONEY SCREWING and FREE SLAVES (disciples) they are CONDITIONED souls of the LOWEST category. EVERYONE now KNOWS them:
FISKCON has had pyschopath gurus, rapist gurus, murderer gurus, paedophile gurus, homo-sex gurus, drug gurus, alcoholic gurus, thug gurus, manipulative con man gurus, embezzler gurus, book changer gurus, mad man gurus, womaniser gurus,sex-yasi gurus, sin-yasi gurus, GBC conditioned soul factory produced rubber-stamped gurus.
2) They are DISOBEYING Srila Prabhupada the ACTUAL DIKSA Guru of ISKCON:
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
Hare Krsna
“The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations Compiled by: Mahesh Raja, UK
I was asked who is right Krishnakant or ISKCON Bangalore:
The process is – make progress in spiritual life. And in emergency, the situation is – rules and regulations may not be possible in some cases. Srila Prabhupada was a PRACTICAL person. In this case the “GBC” is a group of bogus deviants AGAINST Srila Prabhupada so this situation is an emergency. Krishnakant (IRM) is waiting for the GBC to rectify. 1977-2014 is 37 years; he is hoping they will rectify. When? After everyone is dead?
The following will explain that in emergency PRACTICAL steps are NECESSARY. Bangalore ISKCON has been practical in following the Ritvik Initiations under EMERGENCY as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. […]”
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My question is the following:
Devotees take ritvik initiations by Bangalore, ISKM. BLISS.
Many devotees complain Bangalore built up its own realm. ISKM’s leader does not change his serious mistakes in IA77 and on their website, BLISS re-edits Srila Prabhupada’s original Bhagavad-gita.
It seems their followers loyal to their leaders and groups rather than to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.
Did Srila Prabhupada want this process? Can NIYAMAGRAHA cause deviates and compromises?
Hare Krsna
Marici Das: Did Srila Prabhupada want this process? Can NIYAMAGRAHA cause deviates and compromises?
Mahesh: As explained before NIYAMAGRAHA is about EMERGENCY:
The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42180
It is now 42 years 1977-2019. Besides this, it is the individuals that cause deviation and compromises due to PERSONAL AMBITION:
So these two things are always side by side—Maya and Krsna—Krsna is service and Maya is sense gratification, so every moment we are prone to be subjugated by either of them. Our duty is therefore to be very, very careful. The poison is personal ambition.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/november/01/1970/satyabhama
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“…. I am just trying to organize a worldwide movement not for any personal ambition but to execute superior orders, and by the grace of Krsna we are getting good encouragement. So I request my students to cooperate fully…” Srila Prabhupada Letter, July 26, 1970
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“…Our life is very short. The Krsna consciousness movement is not meant for fulfilling one’s personal ambition, but it is a serious movement for the whole world…”. Srila Prabhupada Letter, July 31, 1970
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“…As alleged by you I have received complaints against …. and his wife, so seriously so much so that the girl has declared that B—– is an incarnation of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura on my name. In India, some of the important members they have collected huge amounts in the name of the Society and spent it luxuriously. I wanted you all my experienced disciples should manage the whole institution very cleverly without any personal ambition like ordinary materialistic men. The Gaudiya Math institution has become smashed, at least stopped its program of preaching work on account of personal ambitions…” Srila Prabhupada Letter, October 8, 1974
Marici Das : It seems their followers loyal to their leaders and groups rather than to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.
Mahesh: If one wants to be a POODLE controlled by his leader what can be done? To give an example, there is facility on this website to preach,discuss – what one has learned from Srila Prabhupada’s books BUT their leader will NOT allow them to express their OWN thoughts here (must be their MASTERS words only). RESTRICTED. So they are CONTROLLED by their leader like a dog tied to a chain which can only go to the distance it is allowed by its master.
“Mahesh: If one wants to be a POODLE controlled by his leader what can be done? To give an example, there is facility on this website to preach,discuss – what one has learned from Srila Prabhupada’s books BUT their leader will NOT allow them to express their OWN thoughts here (must be their MASTERS words only). RESTRICTED. So they are CONTROLLED by their leader like a dog tied to a chain which can only go to the distance it is allowed by its master.”
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Why can such leaders become Ritvik priests?
Mahesh: If one wants to be a POODLE controlled by his leader what can be done? To give an example, there is facility on this website to preach,discuss – what one has learned from Srila Prabhupada’s books BUT their leader will NOT allow them to express their OWN thoughts here (must be their MASTERS words only). RESTRICTED. So they are CONTROLLED by their leader like a dog tied to a chain which can only go to the distance it is allowed by its master.”
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Marici Das :Why can such leaders become Ritvik priests?
Mahesh: We have seen that some devotees want to play at being MANIPULATIVE BOSS TYPE or SUPERIOR over others treat others as INFERIOR to them. This is NOT what Srila Prabhupada taught us. This is THEIR LUST FOR POWER. Their PERSONAL AMBITION:
The poison is personal ambition.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/november/01/1970/satyabhama
Note: here is what Srila Prabhupada ACTUALLY taught us:
75-01-16. Letter: Krsnavesa
Our movement is based on love and trust, so if we do not CO-OPERATE, then how is that love and trust? Follow all of the rules and regulations very strictly without deviation, chant 16 rounds, attend class and mangala arati and then everything will be alright.
75-09-18. Letter: Sukadeva
You ALL SHOULD CO-OPERATE and then things will go on very nicely. WE SHOULD NOT BRING IN POLITICS. THAT IS A VERY NASTY THING.
70-08-06. Letter: Upendra
Now all my disciples must work combinedly and WITH COOPERATION to spread this Sankirtana Movement. If you cannot work together then my work is stopped up. Our Society is like one big family and our relationships should be based on love and trust. WE MUST GIVE UP THE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND USE OUR INTELLIGENCE TO PUSH AHEAD. You should accept help from your Godbrothers.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
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Marici Das : Krishnakant (IRM) is waiting for the GBC to rectify. 1977-2014 is 37 years; he is hoping they will rectify. When? After everyone is dead?
Mahesh: PRACTICAL REALITY HAS TO SINK IN: “Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes.”
Note: there have been NOT ONLY ONE bad disciple but MANY who have BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada, given POISON to Srila Prabhupada, USURPED Srila Prabhupada’s Temples, USURPED Srila Prabhupada DIKSA guru position, CHANGED Srila Prabhupada books, REPLACED Srila Prabhupada’s BBT with BBTI a PRIVATE CONCERN, EVEN the GBC is OPPOSED to Srila Prabhupada’s Direction of Management(1970) and concoct their OWN rules:
There are two verses in the Canakya Sloka how a family or an institution can be glorified or burned into ashes by one person. The Canakya Pandit says that if there is one tree in the forest producing nice aromatic flower, that one tree can glorify the whole forest by the flavor of its flower. Similarly if there is one tree in whose cavity there is a little fire, that one tree can burn into ashes the whole forest. So this simile is applicable anywhere. In a family if there is one good boy, he can glorify the whole family and similarly if there is bad boy he can turn the whole family into ashes. Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes. The Governing Body Commission’s duty is therefore to see that every member is following the rules and regulations and chanting sixteen round regularly on the beads. I hope the GBC in cooperation with the Sannyasis in their touring program will be able to keep vigilance systematically in order to keep the Society as pure as possible.
I hope this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS:ds
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/tokyo/august/25/1970/bali-mardana
Note: PRACTICAL REALITY HAS TO SINK IN:
1) Are the POISON GANG who CONTROL the institution going to give up their hold on factory produced rubber-stamped SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING CONDITIONED SOUL bogus gurus and Institute Ritvik System as per Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 Order?
2) Are they going to institute Diretion of Management (1970) as per Srila Prabhupada wishes?
3) Is Jayadvaita going and company going to give back the BBT AND PRINT ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS?
4) Are the Temple authorities going to stop the HUGH salaries they put into their OWN pockets?
Note: the BEST OPTION NOW is to follow:
NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42180
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Further readings:
Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/whispers.htm
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/pada.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
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Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
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Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43453
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46589#more-46589
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http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46518#comment-45721
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Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=49416
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47869
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
SALARIES
Financial statements for the year ended 31 December 2015
Bhaktivedanta Manor (UK)
259649 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LIMITED
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/DocumentList.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=259649&SubsidiaryNumber=0&DocType=AccountList
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £1,658,355
Employees: 172
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
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SALARIES
Soho St Temple – London(UK)
1132794 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LONDON
Accounts for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
Annual Return for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1132794&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends94/0001132794_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £443,967
Employees: 45
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
Wages and salaries £443,967
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2459.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41633
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
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Marici Das : Krishnakant (IRM) is waiting for the GBC to rectify. 1977-2014 is 37 years; he is hoping they will rectify. When? After everyone is dead?
Mahesh: PRACTICAL REALITY HAS TO SINK IN: “Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes.”
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I exactly understand your answer. BUT I DID NOT SAY THESE WORDS . I quoted a longer text of your writing. These are your own words. You are accurate always. But you did not use speech marks (” “) in this comment blog.
This does not mean problem for you, but only for me. Because nobody will read my first comment.
So I do not want to write comments here.
Note: These Anti Ritvik CROOKS bogus IS_CON gurus are Bhogi—— and their disciples are also Bhogi. PHALENA PARICIYATE. ONE HAS TO BE JUDGED BY THE RESULT: what we are seeing is those who are getting so-called initiated in mantra by these bogus gurus as their disciples in ISKCON are becoming bhogi NOT Bhakta Yogi. Bhogī means those who are trying to enjoy this material world, they are called bhogī.
681220BG.LA Lectures
Prabhupada: Meditation? That you can see from the result. You’ll find so many persons meditating, but see their life. PHALENA PARICIYATE. ONE HAS TO BE JUDGED BY THE RESULT. YOU HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND SUPPOSED TO BE VERY RICH MAN, BUT IF I SEE THAT YOU HAVE NO NICE APARTMENT, NEITHER ANY CAR, NEITHER ANY OPULENCE, SO WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSMAN YOU HAVE EARNED? THAT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD IMMEDIATELY.
..SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY
SB 2.9.8 purport
One has to receive the transcendental sound FROM THE RIGHT SOURCE, accept it as a reality and prosecute the direction without hesitation. The secret of success is to receive the sound from the right source of a bona fide spiritual master.
MUNDANE MANUFACTURED SOUND HAS NO POTENCY, AND AS SUCH, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY. One should be qualified enough to discern such transcendental potency, and either by discriminating or by fortunate chance if one is able to receive the transcendental sound from the bona fide spiritual master, his path of liberation is guaranteed.
760628SB.NV
it is said ramante yoginaḥ anante [Cc. Madhya 9.29]. Those who are yogis… There are many different types of yogis. Of all of them, bhakta-yogis, ramante yoginaḥ anante. The difference between yogi and bhogī—there are two classes. Bhogī means those who are trying to enjoy this material world, they are called bhogī. And there is another word, rogī. Rogī means diseased. Neither yogi nor a bhogī. Yogi means transcendentalist, trying to go back to home, back to Godhead, they are called yogi. And those who are only interested with this material happiness, they are called rogī. So those who are yogis, they are first class.
yoginām api sarveṣāṁ
mad-gatenāntarātmanā
śraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ
sa me yuktatamo mataḥ
[Bg. 6.47]
“Of all the yogis,” yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā, “always thinking of Kṛṣṇa,” śraddhāvān, “very faithful,” bhajate mām, “always engaged in My service, he is first-class yogi.”
So our business is how to become yogi, bhakta-yogi. That is the mission of life.