Urdhvaga das: This article was compiled to counteract the bogus Isk’Con philosophy, that one must take initiation from so called “living gurus” living spiritual master only, declaring Srila Prabhupada for dead and gone, since he no longer is a “living link” in the chain of disciplic succession. Such blasphemous philosophy, propagated by Iskcon GBC Guru leadership, is very offencive to Srila Prabhupada, who is ever living via his teachings and through his books. Please see Srila Prabhupadas letter to all temple presidents.
Srila Prabhupada is still available
Urdhvaga das: Srila Prabhupada still available for any sincere devotee, in any part of the world. You only have to open up your heart and let Srila Prabhupada enter!
He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die
When thou are living still in sound.
The Vaishnavas die to live and living try to
Spread a holy life around!
Srila Prabhupada: Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words. There are two ways of association–by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS SOMETIMES APPRECIABLE AND SOMETIMES NOT, BUT VANI CONTINUES TO EXIST ETERNALLY. THEREFORE WE MUST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VANI, NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE. Bhagavad-gita, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gita continues.
750716pc.sf Conversations
Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die?
Prabhupada: I WILL NEVER DIE.
Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter)
Prabhupada: I SHALL LIVE From MY BOOKS, AND YOU WILL UTILIZE.
Reporter (2): Are you training a successor?
Prabhupada: Yes, my Guru Maharaja is there. Where is my photo of Guru Maharaja? I think… Here is.
Indian Lady: … is that spiritual master still guiding after death?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Just like Krsna is guiding us, similarly spiritual master will guide us. (General lectures, 69/09/23)
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada when you’re not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise…
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Well the questions are answ… answers are there in my books.
(Morning Walk, Los Angeles, 13/5/73)
So utilise whatever time you find to make a thorough study of my books. Then all your questions will be answered. (Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76)
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. ( Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70)
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Prabhupada: ….. So there is nothing to be said new. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to understand it and continue your endeavor. Whether I am present or not present, it doesn’t matter.
Srila Prabhupada: “So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living.”
Srila Prabhupada:”So in the absence of physical presentation of the spiritual master, the Vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master Sarsavati Goswami, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I try to serve his instruction, I never feel separated from him.” (Srila Prabhupada, letter to Karandhara, 22/8/70)
Srila Prabhupada: “However, the disciple and spiritual master are never separated because the spiritual master always keeps company with the disciple as long as the disciple follows strictly the instructions of the spiritual master. This is called the association of vani (words). Physical presence is called vapuh. As long as the spiritual master is physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the spiritual master, and when the spiritual master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the instructions of the spiritual master.” (Purport Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.28.47)
“I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my guru maharaja” (Srila Prabhupada to Tamal Krishna, 14 July 1977)
73-11-25. Letter: Cidananda
I should be returning to Los Angeles the last week of November and I should be more than happy to see you there. Please always try to remember me by my teachings and we shall always be together.
If I depart there is no cause for lamentation. I will always be with you through my books and orders. I will always remain with you in that way. (BTG 13:1-2, December 1977)
Srila Prabhupada Ki Jay!
RE: Sankarsana dasa
Reply to Sankarsana das adhikary show-bottle guru –
by Urdhvaga das (ACBSP)
Of course Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to succeed him as guru. Definitely he wanted it, but, but, but, and here lies the big problem, he wanted qualified disciples, he wanted qualified gurus, not some show-bottle gurus, imitator gurus, self-appointed gurus, zonal-acarya gurus, woman-hater gurus, woman-lover gurus, homo-sex-gurus, harassing gurus, ex-communicating gurus, children-abusing gurus, murder-gurus, poison gurus, guru-killer gurus, disco gurus, cow-seller gurus, marijuana gurus, LSD gurus, gopi gurus, reformed gurus, no-mangala-arotik gurus, no-japa gurus, bunglow-sannyasi gurus, retreat gurus, Monika-varnasrama gurus, 3-regulative principles gurus, demon-crazy gurus, movie-mall-menaka gurus, 2/3 hand voted-in gurus, current-link gurus, etc, etc, etc.
Srila Prabhupada said: “First become qualified”. We have nothing against any Iskcon gurus, but they first should acquire some qualification and not imitate.
Of course, a father likes to see his son to follow him. Of course a high-court judge likes to see his son to succeed him, but first the son has to qualify himself, otherwise he can not take the position of the father. If he tries without qualification to imitate the father, that means cheating, impostor, bogus.
Srila Prabhupada: “I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves”. “As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished.” (Srila Prabhupada 1976).
We should not be fooled by all those 2/3 hand voted in, self-appointed bogus Isk con gurus, who like ordinary conditioned souls, are falling down after some time, and who are preaching bogus philosophy such as the “current link philosophy” in support of “voted in successor acaryas” with a “less then liberated guru thesis” and a “minimum qualification theory” for adapting their “homosexual pedophile guru lineage” of conditioned souls into the pure guru-parampara, excluding Srila Prabhupada as a non physical link. This “current link philosophy”
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/charu.htm is chaos, who is the guru, Prabhupada? His vani? It? Our movement? It is heartbreaking to see how new disciples in Iskcon are forced to worship their “present day living survivor gurus” (who fall down after some time), being denied direct access to and through Srila Prabhupada. Iskcon devotees are forced to see their so called “current living links” on the same platform as Srila Prabhupada, infallible equal in all respect, with the same worship. Prabhupada is secondary because he is not a living guru???
The problem with Sankarsana das adhikary (and others) is that he rather likes to imitate self-appointed bogus Iskcon gurus (conditioned souls who fall down after some time) then to take shelter unto Srila Prabhupada. His problem is worshiping and imitating false gurus?
We should not deceive ourselves into thinking that Iskcons conditioned souls are infallible gurus. We rather should take shelter with Srila Prabhupada, who is the perfect guru for all. He will never disappoint us. Srila Prabhupada is still available for anyone who is sincere in his heart, but if Prabhupad is substituted for ordinary souls posing as absolute gurus, then one certainly will be deceived.
GURU CHEATING NOT EFFECTIVE (April 22.77). Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear as a guru]. …You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. …What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU?
Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are ALL CONDITIONED SOULS, so we CANNOT BE gurus. MAYBE someday it may be possible….
Prabhupada: Hm. [agrees]
Tamala Krishna: …but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, ‘No you become acharya. You become authorized.’ I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.
Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there. …No rubber stamp.
Prabhupada: You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to be guru. A small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru?
Srila Prabhupada: We haven’t got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. …That you are singing every day, “what our guru has said, that is our life and soul.” …As soon as this POISON will come -suppress guru and I become Brahman- everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja.
…And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE.
Srila Prabhupada: “I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually” – (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)
Srila Prabhupada: “I wish that each and every branch shall keep their separate identity and cooperate keeping the acharya in the center. On this principle we can open any number of branches all over the world. The Rama Krishna mission works on this principle and thus as an organization they have done wonderfully.” (letter 11th Feb. 1967)
“All of my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I–one–may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It’s not that I’ll give an order: “Here is the next leader.” Anyone who follows the previous leadership is a leader… All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who follows is perfect.” (SP BTG Vol. 13, No. 1-2)
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada, our eternal spiritual Master and saviour of the world.
Everyone NOW KNOWS that these bogus GBC factory produced DEMONS are not diksa gurus.
Srila Prabhupada has given very clear instructions that the BONAFIDE DIKSA guru is MAHA BHAGAVATA and if ONE disobeys by accepting these demons he is ruined. There is no advancement to Vaikuntha or Goloka. The point for advancement is OFFENSELESS chanting so if they disobey Srila Prabhupada and accept these INFERIOR SUBSTITUTES as Diska guru INSTEAD of Srila Prabhupada – they are FINNISHED!
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
Note: the DEMONS the bogus CONDITIONED soul gurus factory produced by bogus GBC want WORSHIP. They are UNHOLY OPPORTUNIST MONEY SCREWING SLAVERY MAKING BUNCH OF CROOKS:
Bg 16.4 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures
In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE ALWAYS ARROGANT or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY.
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Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupada: He’s most dangerous. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. HE’S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru. He’s a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He’s servant. He’s not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He’s not guru. He’s servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru.
Note: the destination of the Demons voted in “gurus” rubber-stamped by the bogus GBC and their disciples who refuse to accept Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru:
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Isopanisad 12
THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
pamho agtACBSP, of course SRILA PRABHUPADA is eternal therefore still available and if we want to be always alive we need to stop dying by doing the same mistake,it doesn’t matter who we was before and what we done because SRILA PRABHUPADA also said what is gone is gone,if we go to look to the history of all eleven appointed ritivik who make themselves self promoted diksa guru we find so much shame on their troublesome lives yet they are keeping doing the same mistakes therefore they are dead not alive like SRILA PRABHUPADA,so many lives already gone through this bad dream due to the bad reputation but they are making it even worse now is time to wake up by worshipping only SRILA PRABHUPADA,unfortunately so many blind followers are still worship all these wretches which are without shame by keeping cheating their followers I mean they are keeping dying but still they are claiming they are diksa gurus,in this way they can’t never find out the real treasure left by SRILA PRABHUPADA through eternal life,SRI KRSNA said I’M present everywhere in everybody and every atom SRILA PRABHUPADA was always feeling HIS presence people who don’t follow SRILA PRABHUPADA properly can’t feel this divine presence therefore they forget the reactions they have to pay by going against SRILA PRABHUPADA,but whoever feel this divine presence is protected from sinful activities by remembering all the consequences one have to pay by going against guru sadhu and sastra instructions,as soon as one become krsna conscious as soon as the parambrahman show it to all the world,is not important who this lucky living entity was before because SRI KRSNA is the cause of all causes and everything is connected with HIS transcendental body,may be this lucky krsna conscious person could be a rascal before but the supreme controller never look the past of someone who become krsna conscious even if is at the end of HIS troublesome journey in this dukhalayam asasvatam world,the utility is the principle that’s means to take credit where the credit is due and that is with our dear SRILA PRABHUPADA and not with all the debauches who created more dirty things in krsna consciousness through guru mara vidya,agtSP ys haribol
All these Anti Ritvik People WHY they just want to DECEIVE others that Srila Prabhupada is not the current Diksa guru for ISKCON? The reason is quite simple – THEY HAVE VESTED INTEREST. It is about SCREWING MONEY and SLAVERY.
Lets consider a few points:
1) Srila Prabhuapada did NOT appoint anyone as Diksa guru. THEY appointed THEMSELVES as Diksa gurus. GBC voted in(rubber-stamped) bogus gurus.
“Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
2) Divya Jnana (transcendental Knowledge) they have NO transcendental knowledge – they can NOT give what they have NOT got. They are CONDITIONED souls under the control of material modes of goodness, passion, ignorance. NOBODY quotes them like they QUOTE the bonafide ACARYAS. Krsna does NOT speak thru the conditioned souls. Conditioned souls are NOT Transparent Via media. ONLY Mahabhagavata Srila Prabhupada is the BONFIDE diksa guru he has access to Krsna:
SB 4.12.11 P Dhruva Maharaja Goes Back to Godhead
In summary, A MAHA-BHAGAVATA, A HIGHLY ELEVATED PURE DEVOTEE, SEES THE LORD EVERYWHERE, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE HEART OF EVERYONE. This is possible for devotees who have developed elevated devotional service to the Lord. As stated in the Brahma-samhita (5.38), premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena: only those who have smeared their eyes with the ointment of love of Godhead can see everywhere the Supreme Lord face to face; it is not possible by imagination or so-called meditation.
Note: 1977 APRIL Tamal KG admits they were CONDITIONED SOULS then in NOVEMBER Just 7 month they ALL became Mahabhagavata? HOW ??? BIG DECEPTION: THE GAME OF GURU HOAX. THEY CHEATED. LIED. BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Bombay, April 22, 1977
Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear FACT that we are all CONDITIONED SOULS, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: …but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
ALL SRILA PRABHUPADA APPOINTED THEM WAS RITVIKS NOT DIKSA GURU!!! THEY ARE BLUFFERS!!