Prabhupada, June 10, 1976, Los Angeles: ..In 1942 I have seen when war was going on, so, these Britishers wanted soldiers, so they created artificial famine. The people became in need of money, so they enrolled them as soldiers. I have seen it. There was no other way to get money to get commodities at higher price. Artificial famine. There was no food grains available, but black market it is available. Black market means more price, but they had no money. So to get this money, they enrolled as soldiers. This was Mr. Churchill’s policy.
Radhavallabha: That’s going on now in America. Previously they had to force men to join the Army because they had such a shortage. Now, because there are so few jobs, it is harder to get into the Army. Even volunteers, there are so many volunteers just to get a job that they have too many practically.
Prabhupada: Even in Army there is no service? They don’t want?
Radhavallabha: Now they want because they can’t get a job.
Hrdayananda: More selective.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Hrdayananda: But the Army is now more selective who they will accept.
Radhavallabha: Previously they had to force thousands; now they are practically having to turn men away because they are joining the Army just get some money.
Hari-sauri: I used to have a friend that was in the Merchant Navy. He was working on oil tankers. So he would only go on the runs to Vietnam. The oil tankers were always in danger of being blown up, so they had to pay them twice as much as any other job just to simply go to Vietnam, and then he would get a huge bonus as well. So he would only work on those jobs.
Prabhupada: So the modern civilization, there is no program for peaceful, happy life. Things are becoming more and more problematic. Everywhere. Here our Kirtanananda Maharaja is asking everyone to go to his New Vrindaban. There is no problem. We have seen yesterday pictures of our New Vrindaban. There is no problem. Practical. If you can see the picture, you’ll see that they have no problem. Is there any problem?
Radhavallabha: Sometimes there is too much milk.
Prabhupada: That he can send to us. Milk is so nice that it cannot be wasted, even a drop. First of all you get milk, that is the Indian system. So there is a big milk pan, and as soon as the milk is drawn it is put into the pan. The pan is in the fire. So as much as you like, drink milk, children, elderly persons. Then at night, when there is no demand for milk, it is converted into yogurt, not wasted. Whatever balance milk is there is converted into yogurt. Then in daytime also you take yogurt, as much as you like. If it is not all consumed, then it is stored in a pot. Then when that pot is enough stored, then you churn it. Churn it, and you get butter and Buttermilk. So again you take buttermilk with capati and everything, not a single drop is lost. Then the butter, you melt it, convert into ghee and store it, it will stay for years. So not a drop of milk can be wasted. And this butter, because in the village they are eating so much milk products, they do not require butter or ghee. Maybe little, so that is stored. They go to the city. The city men they require, especially. Ghee is very important thing in the city. So they purchase. So in exchange of that money, whatever they want, they purchase in the city and come back. But the simply maintaining the cows, their economic problem is solved. Simply maintaining the cows. And to maintain cow there is no difficulty. The boys…. Just like Krsna, as boy, was taking the cows, the calves, in the fields. They are grazing here and there, and coming back they’re giving milk. Only one attendant required to take them into the pasturing ground and bring them back home. You don’t require to give them food even. Simply take care, they give milk, and with milk you make so many preparations. Yes?
Dr. Wolfe: Last year, I drove with Svarupa Damodara through Texas on the way to Atlanta, and I thought so much…. We watched those thousands and thousands of cattle, only beef cattle, only for slaughtering, not one milk cow anymore. And I was so acutely aware of what I had learned from you.
Prabhupada: They do not know the civilized way of life. They are still barbars, called?
Devotees: Barbarians.
Prabhupada: Barbians, ah, barbarians. In the jungle, the barbarians, they do not know how to produce food, how to utilize milk. They can kill animals. That is also not like this, by machine you kill thousands of cows. They did not know this. For their simple eating they might have killed some animals, not particularly cow. Perhaps they were not killing cows because they were getting milk. Other, nonimportant animals. But what is this civilization? I learned that in South Africa, before killing the cows, they take the last drop of milk, and then it is sent to the slaughterhouse. They are so expert that if there is still little milk, take it before her death. Is that civilization, that you are taking milk…? So Vedic civilization is as you are drinking milk from the cow, she’s your mother. Actually she’s mother. But what is this civilization, killing mother? Hm? Is that civilization? Take from mother whatever she can deliver up to the last drop of milk, and then kill her. Advanced civilization, scientific. Killing scientifically. This is not civilization.
Hari-sauri: And just to emphasize it, they deliberately moved the Indian community next to the slaughterhouse.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hari-sauri: Because they know they don’t like cow killing.
Devotee: Where?
Hari-sauri: In South Africa.
Prabhupada: The Indian quarters near their slaughterhouse, and the animals screaming like anything whole night, and they have to hear it. The real purpose is that the Indians may go out.
Dr. Wolfe: Prabhupada, who does that?
Prabhupada: In South Africa.
Dr. Wolfe: The government?
Devotee: Yes.
Dr. Wolfe: It’s barbarian.
Prabhupada: Hm. I was in South Africa in, what is that city?
Hrdayananda: Johannesburg.
Prabhupada: Johannesburg. From the downtown, the Indian quarters about ten miles or fifteen miles away. Indian…. African, black quarters, they are not allowed even to enter the city. They require a pass. If any black man enters the city without that passport, he will immediately be taken to police. The bus for the black man is different from the white man. I think Indians also they have got separate bus. But the bus in which the white men travel, the Indians and the black men are not allowed. Gandhi tried to adjust this injustice, but he failed. Then with determination he went to India, that “I must drive away the Englishmen.” These South African white men, mostly they are Englishmen and Dutchmen. Originally, they were Englishmen and Dutchmen.
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