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Regarding the video “Srila B.V. Puri Maharaja remembering Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik Orderâ€
This is more confirmation of the original order. However, it will not mean anything to those already rooted in their 30 year tradition of following and serving bogus gurus. It will have an affect on those who are fairly new to the movement. Srila Prabhupada’s focus was the books and they got out by the diversion of name fame and adoration.
The original books are “the gurus” or multiple exact and complete forms of Srila Prabhupada. They have the same potency as Srila Prabhupadas presence and more. Because they are transcendental, directly coming from Krsna every time someone reads them they get more knowledge. That is the difference between mundane literature and real spiritual literature. The pure devotee knows the future and Srila Prabhupada out witted them with his master diversion. Knowing that those who were sincere would continue his mission as it is and those who had the makings of self made men would go after the name, fame and adoration the split was certain. The wheat had separated from the chaff. The chaff is dried, useless and obvious by it’s gathering in the floor corners of Srila Prabhupada’s house. It is being swept out and his house cleaned by the words from his original books, his “gurus” and those who are now serving and will serve in the future. The seeds he planted have sprouted into unlimited fields and are yielding the real bread of life.
Ys Hasti Gopala Dasa
Dear Hasti Gopala Dasa Prabhu,
PAMHO. AGTSP.
You have said it very nicely about the Ritvik Order of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada concerning the remarks of Shri Puri Maharaja in the Vedio. But it is very unfortunate that these Iskcon Leaders, power hungry people will never obey the order and step down to their respective positions.
Look what happended to TKG, BTS and now JPS, some of them died miserably and some are suffering miserably as well. Even their respective horoscope reveals their personality how motivated they were to fullfil their very own personal agenda.
Read the horoscopes here ;
http://www.prabhupadaroom.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=70&func=view&catid=12&id=151&lang=en
http://www.prabhupadaroom.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=70&func=view&catid=5&id=7&lang=en
Keep up the good work, Prabhu. Hari BOL. YS. Amar Puri
Dear and respected Prabhus, please accept my most humble obeisances.
The above testimony of HG. Srila B.V Puri Maharaj does not proof the ritvik order to go beyond the time after Srila Prabhupadas demise. B.V Puri Maharaja says more less:” they are ritviks till You are here, afterwards they are gurus”. We only hear Prabhupada saying, that they are not gurus, but nominated by Him ritviks. We don’t hear whether Prabhupada wanted them to continue after His demise. I am not one who is against You, but the truth is that this video does not proof anything but the very fact that those 11 ritviks were not nominated to become gurus. Nothing more that fare from this piece of video.
Same back and forth arguments were brought forward when Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja left this world. Therefore, the whole Gaudiya Matha fiasco happened, all over India, the powerful preaching mission grinded to a halt.
For Prabhupada things were clear what his guru had ordered. For others things are not clear, even to this day.
Narayana Maharaja recently wrote a “guru tattva” booklet where it says that, “there was nothing wrong”, when Sridhara Swami made Vasudeva the guru in 1936.
In sum, even books are being written that there’s is nothing wrong about false gurus causing damage to the reputation of Gaudiya Vaishnavism.
Prabhupada says in all of his books and in all of his lectures that a spiritual master has to be bona fide, genuine and authorized. But as we see, even today, hardly anyone understands this simple explanation.
Only thing what helps to remove blockades, the laws of nature, punishment through the agents of the material energy.
I do agree with you prabhu, except that some sceptical people don’t necessarily must be judged to be against the ritvik order, while rather they may not yet be on the level of required spiritual purity. But if they are cautious, do not stupidly accept false, unqualified so call gurus, no matter where from they may come, than by following Prabhupada they will be guided by the Lord to the reall Guru, who rewards the genuine desire of His devotees. I hope Krishna guides me to Srila Prabhupada accordingly to the degree of my seriousness. The point is, I don’t want to spend my life pushing myself to accept something prematurely, it will not work, I tried it for so long. Of course it may be that as you say, that finaly we will need some enforced “help” from Maya.
y.s. j.d
“Narayana Maharaja recently wrote a “guru tattva†booklet where it says that, “there was nothing wrongâ€, when Sridhara Swami made Vasudeva the guru in 1936.”
Srila Prabhupada responded to this on August 16, 1976, Bombay (760816rc.bom). It is on tape:
“Prabhupada: Liberated soul never says that “I am liberated.†As soon as he says “liberated,†he’s a rascal. A liberated soul will never say that “I am liberated.†That is liberated. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He is God—guru more murkha dekhi’ karila sasan. “My Guru Maharaja saw Me a fool number one, and he has chastised Me.†He’s God. This is the example. If one remains always a servant ever-lastingly of guru, then he is liberated. And as soon as he thinks that he is liberated, he’s a rascal.
That is the teaching of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Guru more murkha dekhi’. Caitanya Mahaprabhu is murkha? Why He’s posing Himself that murkha? “I am fool number one.†That means that is liberation. You must be ready always to be chastised by guru. Then he’s liberated. And as soon as he thinks that “I am beyond this chastisement, I am liberated,†he’s a rascal. Why Caitanya Mahaprabhu says guru more murkha dekhi’ karila sasan? This is sahajiya-vada. He is thinking, “Oh I have become liberated. I don’t require any direction of my guru. I’m liberated.†Then he’s rascal.
Why this Gaudiya Matha failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He, before passing away, he gave all direction and never said that “This man should be the next acarya.†But these people, just after his passing away they began to fight, who shall be acarya. That is the failure. They never thought, “Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acarya?â€
They wanted to create artificially somebody acarya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acarya. Then another man came, then another, acarya, another acarya. So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.†Then he’s finished.”
I’m certain that Srila Narayana Maharaja is a great devotee and a bonafide guru, and I offer my humble obeisances to him, but his opinions on this particular point clearly disagrees with Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Prabhu your last statement notion shows strong inconsistency. NM can’t be a bona fide guru while at the same time he obviously, also according to you, goes against his claimed, alleged siksa guru, and the most recent Acarya. He is rather a big cheater and nothing more.
y.s jd
I was just trying to be respectful Prabhu. Things are not aways black and white as some devotes sometimes think, so I prefer to refrain from calling people “cheaters” or “demons”. My point is only that the cited NM statement disagrees with Srila Prabhupada.
Yes Prabhu, I understand what You wanted, yet in this particualr situation things are vey clear, i.e. black-white, since: “The guru, or acaryadeva, as we learn from the bona fide scriptures, delivers the message of the absolute world, the transcendental abode of the Absolute Personality, where everything nondifferentially serves the Absolute Truth. We have heard so many times: mahajano yena gatah sa panthah (“Traverse the trail which your previous acarya has passed”), but we have hardly tried to understand the real purport of this sloka. If we scrutinizingly study this proposition, we can understand that the mahajana is one, and the royal road to the transcendental world is also one. “(Prabhupada “The Transcendental Teacher”feb.1936) So it is obvious that NM simply can’t be (again) against Srila Prabhupadas judgment and a bona fide Guru(…the mahajana is one) at the same time. I don’t think that such standarts of being “gentle” should be used here, since they create a state of duplicity rather than one of clarity and purity, which only when truly and openly spoken, may help others to discern beetwen matter and spirit. By the way, I am very embarrassed to speak the Truth, since NMs status of superiority to me, but this is a completely different thing!
y.s jd