Srila Prabhupada-Acarya Actual Initiator
We know it is only the uttama adhikari acarya Prabhupada that is able to transmit diksa (spiritual Initiation) into the madhyam adhikaris heart whereby he is enabled to see Krsna and relish loving mellows in his svarupa. (television in the heart). Mahesh dasa
The **only** injunction from scriptures is to worship the acarya. Its only the acarya that is able to give diksa ( spiritual initiation) to the Madhyama-adhikari (see antya CC 4.192-4.194) where he relishes loving mellows(in his svarupa) with krsna. Acarya is not voted by the GBC 2/3 majority votes. The acarya has direct communication with krsna- Krsna speaks through him. It is therefore only the acarya that can actually be expected to be worshiped as good as Krsna. So the photo worship is not sanctioned of one who is not an acarya. (conditioned soul worship — idol worship where is the difference?).
Adi 1.45 According to the deliberate opinion of all revealed scriptures, the spiritual master is nondifferent from Krsna. Lord Krsna in the form of the spiritual master delivers His devotees.
Adi 1.46 **acaryam** mam vijaniyan navamanyeta karhicit na martya-buddhyasuyeta sarva-deva-mayo guruh “One should know the acarya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods.” Purport:This is a verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.17.27)
Note: It is significant the same text has been quoted In NoD Ch7 but in reference to **accepting initiation**. So this shows Initiation is from Acarya not from 2/3 majority voted spiritual masters.
Ch7 Nectar of Devotion Serving the Spiritual Master with Faith and Confidence Regarding ACCEPTING INITIATION from the spiritual master, in the Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Seventeenth Chapter, verse 27, it is stated by Lord Krsna, “My dear Uddhava, the spiritual master must be accepted not only as My representative, but as My very self. He must never be considered on the same level with an ordinary human being. One should never be envious of the spiritual master, as one may be envious of an ordinary man. The spiritual master should always be seen as the representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and by serving the spiritual master one is able to serve all the demigods.”
Adi 1.35 A devotee must have only one initiating spiritual master because in the scriptures acceptance of more than one is always forbidden.
Note:We know it is only the uttama adhikari acarya Prabhupada that is able to transmit diksa (spiritual Initiation) into the madhyam adhikaris heart whereby he is enabled to see Krsna and relish loving mellows in his svarupa. (television in the heart).
Here it is understood that the spiritual master disciplic succession is of acaryas. And Srila Prabhupada is the current acarya. SB 3.29.17 In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. Acaryopasanam: one should worship an acarya, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. The predecessors of the spiritual master are his spiritual master, his grand spiritual master, his great-grand spiritual master and so on, who form the disciplic succession of acaryas.
Srila Prabhupada is the prominent acarya. 68-04-12.Day Letter: Dayananda
Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to** pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him.** There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
The injunction is to worship acarya as opposed to those who conduct spiritual master business. This statement from Srila Prabhupada is uncompromising. Srila Prabhupada wants to deliver the devotees form the lust of wanting to be worshiped as good as God. But if they become envious of his position as the acarya and wish to be worshiped as good as God then he is telling them their destiny. Isopanisad 12 The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya“- and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam,
“This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.
Note: Srila Prabhupada (jagad-guru) has already given us the Holy name initiation in his books, tapes and formal ceremonies also. All it requires now is that one chant offenselessly–this is attained in the madhyma-adhikari platform(spiritual Initiation-diksa). Those who are making money from spiritual master business may be agitated–but we know that **only Krsna’s pure devotee can give Krsna** and Prabhupada has given the Holy name. So far as formality of the ceremony– July 9th letter Prabhupada said conduct as ritviks(representative of acarya). How can he allow worship of conditioned souls?
Antya 7.12 Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura explains that unless one is directly empowered by the causeless mercy of Krsna, one cannot become the spiritual master of the entire world (jagad-guru). One cannot become an acarya simply by mental speculation.
THE TRUE ACARYA PRESENTS KRSNA TO EVERYONE BY PREACHING THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. THUS THE CONDITIONED SOULS, PURIFIED BY CHANTING THE HOLY NAME, ARE LIBERATED FROM THE BLAZING FIRE OF MATERIAL EXISTENCE.
In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. The true acarya, the spiritual master of the entire world, must be considered an incarnation of Krsna’s mercy. indeed, he is personally embracing Krsna.
HE IS THEREFORE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF ALL THE VARNAS (BRAHMANA, KSATRIYA, VAISYA AND SUDRA) AND ALL THE ASRAMAS (BRAHMACARYA, GRHASTHA, VANAPRASTHA AND SANNYASA).
Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura. Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahamsa-thakura.
Note: it is interesting that in Srila Prabhupada’s books also it is STRESSED: His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Founder-Acarya of the International Society For Krishna Consciousness. ‘Founder’ ** HYPEN** Acarya means that Srila Prabhupada is NOT ONLY the Founder BUT ALSO the Acarya of ISKCON. It is also Srila Prabhupada’s desire to REMAIN at the centre so all devotees take the advantage of receiving diksa from his Divine Grace.
67-02-11. Letter: Kirtanananda
I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully.
(by Mahesh dasa)
Hare Krsna Mahesh Raj prabhu, thank you and as stated by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati…
On the morning of Wednesday, August 8th 1934, Sriyukta Rajendranath Pal Chaudhuri Mahasaya, the famous Zamindar of Louhajang, came to Sri Gaudiya Matha accompanied by one of his employees. Offering his humble dandavats at the lotus feet of Sri Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada, he expressed his desire to hear some words on Sri Guru-tattva and the secret of diksa etc. Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta obligingly gave a valuable discourse for two hours. Some brief excerpts from that talk are presented below.
“Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra?
Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru.
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa?
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttama-adhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.”
Yfs Balaram das.
Balarama Prabhu,
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances. Hare Krsna!
I was very glad to see your input here. I was thinking where is Balarama and Sudarsana Prabhu gone.
Please keep on presenting your points here – this is our istagosthi platform.
I find it so shocking that such a magnanimous personality as Srila Prabhupada(Mahabhagavata) with DIRECT contact with Lord Krsna and——- these folks in ISKCON want to REPLACE him with their inferior conditioned soul creatures rubber-stamped as Diksa gurus. So – what must be their mentality? Extremely WICKED. I do not know how ANYONE can do this terrible thing to Srila Prabhupada. But – we understand from Srila Prabhupada that these folks who are eager to replace him are just DEMONS(ASURAS):
THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44093#more-44093
Let us go on discussing these points prabhu, – we are after siddhanta. If someone is SINCERE who reads this discussions then he will understand Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY Diksa guru of ISKCON.
76-09-22. Letter: Ayodhyapati
Your siddhanta is correct to the sastra and in this way go on reading books and have the correct perception and Krsna will help you. siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha haite krsna lage sudrdha manasa. A SINCERE STUDENT SHOULD NOT NEGLECT THE DISCUSSION OF SUCH CONCLUSIONS, CONSIDERING THEM CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS SRENGTHEN THE MIND. THUS ONE’S MIND BECOMES ATTACHED TO SRI KRSNA.
YOU SHOULD BE ALWAYS ALERT IN UNDERSTANDING THE SASTRIC CONCLUSIONS THAT WILL HELP YOU, OTHERWISE WE CAN BE MISLED BY BOGUS PHILOSOPHIES. I am very pleased that you are studying the books. This will make you happy and successful.
Hare Krsna
ys mahesh
Hare Krsna Mahesh Raj prabhu,
Dandavats… All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Many thanks for your kind comments. Yes istagosti is a wonderful forum, however after having been aggressively accused of mis-quoting my spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada for my own false ego (“Whatever references you ‘Sudarsana’ and Balarama Prabhu quoted from the Sastras do not correspond at all to your misguided writing….This misguided writing indeed has triggered your false ego”), I simply chose not to be involved further, as I informed the Webmaster prabhu. Leave it to those who know better. I always read and appreciate your comments and the Webmaster has my email addy if you wish to contact at any time. Sudarsana prabhu and I keep regular contact.
Your fallen servant,
Balaram das.
Dear Balarama Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
I agree that Amar Puri prabhu should not have said that. There is mode of passion and Srila Prabhupada says that different modes compete. So sometimes things are said in the heat of the moment in the mode of passion – without thinking.
However – on this OPEN platform Prabhupadanuga.eu we all have -our say- but I think you and Sudarsana should not go away.
Preaching is no doubt difficult because not all are in sattva guna mode(mode of goodness) to accept. There is a lot to tolerate. But since Srila Prabhupada is our Spiritual MASTER then for him we have to think HOW would it help HIS mission if we all go away……
So please come back. We ALL have a long way to go:
SB 1.9.27 P The Passing Away of Bhismadeva in the Presence of Lord Krsna
AS FAR AS SALVATION IS CONCERNED, ONE HAS TO CONQUER THE PRINCIPLES OF LUST, ANGER, UNLAWFUL DESIRES, AVARICE AND BEWILDERMENT. To get freedom from anger, one should learn how to forgive. To be free from unlawful desires one should not make plans. By spiritual culture one is able to conquer sleep. By tolerance only can one conquer desires and avarice. Disturbances from various diseases can be avoided by regulated diets. By self-control one can be free from false hopes, and money can be saved by avoiding undesirable association. By practice of yoga one can control hunger, and worldliness can be avoided by culturing the knowledge of impermanence. Dizziness can be conquered by rising up, and false arguments can be conquered by factual ascertainment. Talkativeness can be avoided by gravity and silence, and by prowess one can avoid fearfulness. Perfect knowledge can be obtained by self-cultivation. One must be free from lust, avarice, anger, dreaming, etc., to actually attain the path of salvation.
As far as the women class are concerned, they are accepted as a power of inspiration for men. As such, women are more powerful than men. Mighty Julius Caesar was controlled by a Cleopatra. Such powerful women are controlled by shyness. Therefore, shyness is important for women. Once this control valve is loosened, women can create havoc in society by adultery. Adultery means production of unwanted children known as varna-sankara, who disturb the world.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
When asked for clarification on the particular discussion for which questionable explanation given can indeed trigger the false ego of the Individuals involved in the discussion without knowing of it if and when pointed it out that which no means of any type of accusing intentionally on the Istagosthi Platform.
On the Istagosthi platform, it is simply learning. During the exchanges of the dialogues of the people involved it may appear as accusing but as a matter of fact, there is no such room or place of such personal emotions being triggered under the false egos which senses as accusing and as a result of it minimizes the learning process of the Istaghosthi platform.
Thus, the wise men always get inspired to share and distribute whatever little knowledge one may have acquired keeping all types of personal emotions out of the Istagoshti platform of discussion so that learning process from the Istaghosthi platform continues.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
pamho prabhus agtACBSP,
thank you for posting this nice and clear article on the real guru tattva,we prabhupadanugas are very lucky because we are sincerely follow SRILA PRABHUPADA therefore we are sumedhasam super intellingent while the alpa medhasam the less intelligent are taking shelter in the fake reflection of iskcon by getting cheated constantly through the stink hog stools of the guru hoaxers pleasure who are trapped very badly in the disgusting and miserable bodily concept of life and the small donkey drink the water that washed up the dirty feet of their big donkey by drinking it to become a big donkey too in this way the doors to andha kupa tamisrera to the hell are always open for big and small donkey,
did you see a fake guru to fallen down why are you taking another one? this means less intellingent by keeping to betray SRILA PRABHUPADA our only savior and wellwisher, many kangooru could save their life by living longer if they were with SP but unfortunately they die helplessly and before the time due to because of their serious aparadhas to SP because to become godly means brahma buyaya kalpate to go beyond the three guna of material nature then yaj jnatva na punar mohan we never fallen down again in illusion from that blissful position because we become conscious that everything and everyone belong to SRI KRSNA as part and parcel of HIS transcendental body,
this divyan jnana is reached after many lives bahunam janma through yesam tv anta gatam papam all our sinful activities destroyed then jananam punya karmanan only then we can work for the benefit of everyone as pukka social workers in this kali yuga rotten age through the breaking of the four rules and regulations of our only salvation,
SRILA PRABHUPADA was a old man when HE came to preach in the western countries but HE was very attractive even by dwelling in a old saguna body actually HE changed the world through HIS timeless nature and spiritual beauty by giving us the proof that the soul got nothing to share with the material body it is been given to us by the agency of SRI MAYA DEVI for the own material pleasure which is against the supreme will of SRI KRSNA that’s why almost everything go wrong in the material world because SRI KRSNA want us to understand how things really are by serving SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA through the causeless mercy of SRILA PRABHUPADA only
agtSP
ys haribol
Balaram Prabhu, Hare Krsna! just to mention – another point is that these ISKCON bogus GBC manufactured “diksa gurus” are NOT truthful. And—because they are PRETENDING to give Diksa means they are CHEATERS, HYPOCRITES and LIARS. That is to say they are NOT even on Kanistha platform. Kanistha platform is that he MUST be a QUALIFIED Brahmana. Brahmana QUALIFICATION is TRUTHFUL. They are IMITATION of failed Gaudiya math:
Note: Kanistha Adhikari is a QUALIFIED Brahmana.
Kanistha has got MATERIAL CONTAMINATION. So HOW can a Kanistha Adhikari give Diksa to another when he himself is NOT freed from MATERIAL CONTAMINATION:
Madhya 4.111 Sri Madhavendra Puri’ s Devotional Service:
Diksa actually means initiating a disciple WITH TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE BY WHICH HE BECOMES FREED FROM ALL MATERIAL CONTAMINATION.
Note: Brahmana (Kanistha Adhikari) is TRUTHFUL DEVOTEE
SB 1.2.17 T Divinity and Divine Service
srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah
punya-sravana-kirtanah
hrdy antah stho hy abhadrani
vidhunoti suhrt satam
Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramatma [Supersoul] in everyone’s heart and the benefactor of the TRUTHFUL DEVOTEE, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.
Note: Kanistha adhikari is QUALIFIED BRAHMANA. Even such a person is TRYING to chant so when we speak of actually chanting and Krishna dancing on our tongues is on the Vaisnava platform. This means first we have to ACQUIRE brahminical QUALITIES then advance to Madhyama adhikari stage – OFFENSELESS chanting.
Nectar of Instruction 5:
The kanistha-adhikari is a neophyte who has received the hari-nama initiation from the spiritual master and is trying to chant the holy name of Krsna. One should respect such a person within his mind as a kanistha-vaisnava. A madhyama-adhikari has received spiritual initiation from the spiritual master and has been fully engaged by him in the transcendental loving service of the Lord.
770214r2.may Conversations
Prabhupada: KANISTHA-ADHIKARI MEANS HE MUST BE A BRAHMANA. THAT IS KANISTHA-ADHIKARI. The spiritual life, kanistha-adhikari, means he MUST be a QUALIFIED brahmana. That is kanistha. What is esteemed as very high position in the material world, brahmana, that is kanistha-adhikari.
arcayam eva haraye
pujam yah sraddhayehate
na tad-bhaktesu canyesu
sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah
The brahmana means from the material stage gradually he is elevated to the spiritual stage. AND BELOW THE BRAHMANA THERE IS NO QUESTION OF VAISNAVA.
760206mw.may Conversations
Dayananda: Even the jnanis and yogis become…
Prabhupada: What is these jnanis? They are also another rascal, another edition of rascals. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate. Therefore so-called jnanis, after many, many births’ practical realization, they surrender to Krsna. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma. Then he understands that Krsna is everything. But such great person is very, very rare. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah, very, very rare.
Dayananda: But what about the persons who may be a little bit devoted but who have not achieved that unalloyed devotion?
Prabhupada: KANISTHA-ADHIKARI. THEY ARE NOT DEVOTEES, BUT THEY ARE CALLED BHAKTABHASA. THERE IS SOME SIGNS OF BHAKTI. ACTUALLY THEY ARE NOT BHAKTA. BHAKTABHASA. ABHASA. ABHASA MEANS A SIMPLE, A LITTLE LIGHT.
Hrdayananda: So devotee really means one who has love for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes, unalloyed, without any condition. Anyabhilasita-sunyam, zero, all other, that “I am this, I am that, I am jnani, I am yogi, I am karmi, I am minister, I am king”–all these are thinking like that, they’re all nonsense. “I am servant of Krsna”–that is greatness. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa. That is self-realization, atma-tattvam.
SB 1.2.20 P Divinity and Divine Service
The very same thing is confirmed herein in the above words. No ordinary man, or even one who has attained success in human life, can know scientifically or perfectly the Personality of Godhead. Perfection of human life is attained when one can understand that he is not the product of matter but is in fact spirit. AND AS SOON AS ONE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MATTER, HE AT ONCE CEASES HIS MATERIAL HANKERINGS AND BECOMES ENLIVENED AS A SPIRITUAL BEING. This attainment of success is possible when one is above the modes of passion and ignorance, or, in other words, when one is actually a brahmana by qualification. A BRAHMANA IS THE SYMBOL OF SATTVA-GUNA , OR THE MODE OF GOODNESS. AND OTHERS, WHO ARE NOT IN THE MODE OF GOODNESS, ARE EITHER KSATRIYAS, VAISYAS, SUDRAS OR LESS THAN THE SUDRAS. THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE IS THE HIGHEST STAGE OF HUMAN LIFE BECAUSE OF ITS GOOD QUALITIES. SO ONE CANNOT BE A DEVOTEE UNLESS ONE AT LEAST QUALIFIES AS A BRAHMANA. The devotee is already a brahmana by action. But that is not the end of it. AS REFERRED TO ABOVE, SUCH A BRAHMANA HAS TO BECOME A VAISNAVA IN FACT TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL STAGE. A PURE VAISNAVA IS A LIBERATED SOUL AND IS TRANSCENDENTAL EVEN TO THE POSITION OF A BRAHMANA. IN THE MATERIAL STAGE EVEN A BRAHMANA IS ALSO A CONDITIONED SOUL BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IN THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE THE CONCEPTION OF BRAHMAN OR TRANSCENDENCE IS REALIZED, SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUPREME LORD IS LACKING. ONE HAS TO SURPASS THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE AND REACH THE VASUDEVA STAGE TO UNDERSTAND THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD KRSNA.
Madhya 20.59 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science
PURPORT
This verse is spoken by Prahlada Maharaja in Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.9.10). A brahmana is supposed to be qualified with twelve qualities. As stated in the Mahabharata:
dharmas ca satyam ca damas tapas ca
amatsaryam hris titiksanasuya
yajnas ca danam ca dhrtih srutam ca
vratani vai dvadasa brahmanasya
“A brahmana must be perfectly religious. HE MUST BE TRUTHFUL, and he must be able to control his senses. He must execute severe austerities, and he must be detached, humble and tolerant. He must not envy anyone, and he must be expert in performing sacrifices and giving whatever he has in charity. He must be fixed in devotional service and expert in the knowledge of the Vedas. These are the twelve qualifications for a brahmana.”
Bhagavad-gita describes the brahminical qualities in this way:
samo damas tapah saucam
ksantir arjavam eva ca
jnanam vijnanam astikyam
brahma-karma svabhava-jam
“Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, HONESTY, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness–these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.” (Bg. 18.42)
In the Muktaphala-tika, it is said:
samo damas tapah saucam
ksanty-arjava-virakta yah
jnana-vijnana-santosah
satyastikye dvisad gunah
“Mental equilibrium, sense control, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, detachment, theoretical and practical knowledge, satisfaction, TRUTHFULNESS and firm faith in the Vedas are the twelve qualities of a brahmana.
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So first of all, we have to become brahmana. Then Vaisnava. BRAHMANA SIMPLY KNOWS THAT “I AM SPIRIT SOUL,” AHAM BRAHMASMI. BRAHMA JANATI ITI BRAHMANA. BRAHMA-BHUTAH PRASANNATMA. BY SUCH KNOWLEDGE ONE BECOMES PRASANNATMA. Means relieved. As you feel relief… When there is burden on your head, and the burden is taken away you feel relieved, similarly, this ignorance that “I am this body” is a great burden, a burden upon us. So when you get out of this burden, then you feel relieved. BRAHMA-BHUTAH PRASANNATMA. MEANS WHEN ACTUALLY ONE UNDERSTANDS THAT “I AM NOT THIS BODY; I AM SOUL,” then he has to work so hard for maintaining this body, so he gets relief that “Why I am working so hard for this lump of material things? Let me execute my real necessity of life, spiritual life.” That is great relief. That is great relief. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati.
Note: “THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH.” Srila Prabhupada KNEW that they were NOT EVEN on KANISTHA platform this is the significance of why Srila Prabhupada used “MAY BE”. Otherwise Srila Prabhupada would have used the word ARE instead. They were NOT truthful AND were disobedient to Guru – this is lack of Brahminical quality – how can they be EVEN Kanistha adhikari? They were PRETENDING to be Diksa guru and ISKCON’S GBC bogus rubber-stamped ” diksa gurus” are the IMITATION PRODUCT of the failed Gaudiya math:
74-04-28. Letter: Rupanuga
You are right about Sridhara Maharaja’s genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Note: they are all untruthful Anti Ritvik DEMONS: “NOR TRUTH IS FOUND IN THEM”. They have chosen to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada the BONAFIDE Diksa guru in ISKCON with themselves as diksa gurus but are actually MANIPULATIVE CONDITIONED SOUL SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING CROOKS who DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS TO BE DONE AND WHAT IS NOT TO BE DONE:
Bg 16.7 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
pravrttim ca nivrttim ca
jana na vidur asurah
na saucam napi cacaro
na satyam tesu vidyate
THOSE WHO ARE DEMONIAC DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS TO BE DONE AND WHAT IS NOT TO BE DONE. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior NOR TRUTH IS FOUND IN THEM.
Note: Although NOT recommended (seeMadhya 7.130) Kanistha(neophyte Vaisnava ) CAN accept disciples BUT this does NOT mean they are DIKSA guru. However, they can be (SIKSA gurus) instructor guru see Srila Prabhupada letter to 75-08-04 Madhudvisa below. They can NOT give divya janan (TRANSCENDENTAL knowledge) because they are NOT free from MATERIAL CONTAMINATION hence, they are NOT on TRANSCENDENTAL platform themselves therefore disqualified from giving Diksa. You can NOT give something you do not have. Only MAHA-BHAGAVATA Srila Prabhupada can TRANSFER Krsna in OUR heart so that our SVARUPA(constitutional position) with Krsna in dasya, sakhya, etc becomes REVEALED see SB 10.2.18 below.
NoI 5
In this verse Srila Rupa Gosvami advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikari Vaisnava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaisnavism. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari. A neophyte Vaisnava or a Vaisnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY CANNOT ADVANCE VERY WELL TOWARD THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF LIFE UNDER HIS INSUFFICIENT GUIDANCE. THEREFORE A DISCIPLE SHOULD BE CAREFUL TO ACCEPT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI AS A SPIRITUAL MASTER.
Note: Although as SIKSA (instructor gurus) Kanishta and Madhyam can accept disciples: IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES.
Madhya 7.130 The Lord’ s Tour of South India
The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT
As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by diksa, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE’S OWN HEART.
Those Individuals who somehow or other got in touch with the present Iskcon practising regulative principles in cultivating Krsna Consciousness do they make PROGRESS in their respective Spiritual lives on the way going back Home Back to Godhead ?
Learned Readers, please share your insights.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri:Those Individuals who somehow or other got in touch with the present Iskcon practising regulative principles in cultivating Krsna Consciousness do they make PROGRESS in their respective Spiritual lives on the way going back Home Back to Godhead ?
Mahesh: This depends on the MOTIVE of the individual. If he/she is karmi in the DRESS of devotee just after MATERIAL gain then Krsna responds according also – there is no cheating Krsna and getting away:
SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service.
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Note: Krsna is IN CONTROL. Those who are SINCERE they will get Srila Prabhupada THE BONAFIDE Diksa guru. And the cheaters will get Anti Ritvik thugs as gurus:
LCFL Life Comes From Life
Student. If somebody is actually SINCERE, will he always meet a bona fide guru?
Srila Prabhupada. Yes. Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija. Krsna is within you, and as soon as He sees that you are sincere, He will send you to the right person.
Student. And if you are not completely sincere, you will get a cheater for a teacher?
Srila Prabhupada. YES. IF YOU WANT TO BE CHEATED, KRSNA WILL SEND YOU TO A CHEATER. KRSNA IS SUPERINTELLIGENT. IF YOU ARE A CHEATER, HE WILL CHEAT YOU PERFECTLY. BUT IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY SINCERE, THEN HE WILL GIVE YOU THE RIGHT GUIDANCE. In Bhagavad-gita (15.15) Krsna says, sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisto mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca: “I am seated in everyone’s heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.” Krsna speaks of both remembrance and forgetfulness. If you are a cheater, Krsna will give you the intelligence to forget Him forever.
750302BA.ATL Lectures
So he wanted this, and he is not… It is not that he is dead and gone. That is not spiritual understanding. Even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. And what to speak of such exalted, authorized personality like Bhaktisiddhanta. He is seeing. I never feel that I am alone. Of course, when I came to your country without any friend, without any means… Practically, just like a vagabond I came. But I had full faith that “My Guru Maharaja is with me.” I never lost this faith, and that is fact. There are two words, vani and vapuh. Vani means words, and vapuh means this physical body. SO VANI IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE VAPUH. VAPUH WILL BE FINISHED. THIS IS MATERIAL BODY. IT WILL BE FINISHED. THAT IS THE NATURE. BUT IF WE KEEP TO THE VANI, TO THE WORDS OF SPIRITUAL MASTER, THEN WE REMAIN VERY FIXED UP. It doesn’t matter. Just like Bhagavad-gita. It was spoken five thousand years ago. But if you keep to the words of Krsna, then it is always fresh and guiding. Not that because Arjuna personally listened to Krsna about the instruction of Bhagavad-gita, therefore he knew it. That is not the fact. If you accept Bhagavad-gita as it is, then you should know that Krsna is present before you in His words in the Bhagavad-gita. This is called spiritual realization. It is not mundane historical incidences. If we keep…
evam parampara-praptam
imam rajarsayo viduh
sa kaleneha (mahata)
yogo nastah parantapa
If you don’t keep in touch with the original link, then it will be lost. And if you keep touch with the original link, then you are directly hearing Krsna. SIMILARLY, KRSNA AND KRSNA’S REPRESENTATIVE, SPIRITUAL MASTER, IF YOU KEEP ALWAYS INTACT, IN LINK WITH THE WORDS AND INSTRUCTION OF THE SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES, THEN YOU ARE ALWAYS FRESH. THIS IS SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING.
SB 3.31.48 P Lord Kapila’ s Instructions on the Movements of the Living Entities
…. it is described here that ONE HAS TO ASSOCIATE WITH LIBERATED PERSONS NOT DIRECTLY, PHYSICALLY, BUT BY UNDERSTANDING, THROUGH PHILOSOPHY AND LOGIC, THE PROBLEMS OF LIFE.
710818SB.LON Lectures
Prabhupada: JUST FOLLOW HIS ORDER. SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ALONG WITH YOU BY HIS WORDS. Just like my spiritual master is not physically present, but I am associating with him by his words.
67-10-03.Nan Letter: Nandarani, Krsna Devi, Subala, Uddhava
Dayananda, Nandarani and Uddhava first went to L.A. to open this branch & in the absence of Dayananda, Subala and Krishna devi have come to help. Whenever there is new branch of our society for Krishna Consciousness I become very very happy, & my blessings in heart and soul are with you. I went to your country for spreading this information of Krishna Consciousness & you are helping me in my mission ALTHOUGH I AM NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT THERE BUT SPIRITUALLY I AM ALWAYS WITH YOU.
69-08-17. Letter: Govinda
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated August 9th, 1969. In the meantime I have sent one tape to Gaurasundara. Perhaps you might have received it, and if it is all right, then I can send you many other tapes, similarly stereoed. From the description of your letter I understand that Hawaii is good field for our preaching work. The hippies are actually immediate candidates for our Krishna Consciousness. We pray to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, “My dear Lord, Your Incarnation is to claim the most fallen souls.” So in this age of Kali almost everyone is dangerously fallen, and the hippies appear to be still more greater fallen. Besides that, from their behavior it appears they like this movement. This is a very good sign. Your description of that Yogi Sai, that is also little hopeful. He is reading Bhagavad-gita and quoting some lines. So you are very intelligent; you can tackle these people very nicely, assisted by your good husband and the other boys and girls. YOU WRITE THAT YOU HAVE DESIRE TO AVAIL OF MY ASSOCIATION AGAIN, BUT WHY DO YOU FORGET THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS IN ASSOCIATION WITH ME? WHEN YOU ARE HELPING MY MISSIONARY ACTIVITIES I AM ALWAYS THINKING OF YOU AND YOU ARE ALWAYS THINKING OF ME. THAT IS REAL ASSOCIATION. Just like I always think of my Guru Maharaja every moment, although He is not physically present, and because I am trying to serve Him to my best capacity, I am sure He is helping me by His spiritual blessings. So there are two kinds of association: physical and preceptorial. Physical association is not so important as preceptorial association.
750721mw.sf Conversations
Narayana: So those disciples who don’t have opportunity to see you or speak with you…
Prabhupada: That he was speaking, vani and vapuh. Even if you don’t see his body, you take his word, vani.
Narayana: But how do they know they’re pleasing you, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: If you actually follow the words of guru, that means he is pleased. And if you do not follow, how he can be pleased?
Sudama: Not only that, but your mercy is spread everywhere, and if we take advantage, you told us once, then we will feel the result.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayadvaita: And if we have faith in what the guru says, then automatically we’ll do that.
Prabhupada: Yes. My Guru Maharaja passed in 1936, and I started this movement in 1965, thirty years after. Then? I am getting the mercy of guru. THIS IS VANI. EVEN THE GURU IS NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT, IF YOU FOLLOW THE VANI, THEN YOU ARE GETTING HELP.
Sudama: So there’s no question of ever separation as long as the disciple follows the instruction of guru.
Prabhupada: No. Cakhu-dan dilo jei… What is that, next one?
Sudama: Cakhu-dan dilo jei, janme janme prabhu sei.
Prabhupada: JANME JANME PRABHU SEI. SO WHERE THERE IS SEPARATION? WHO HAS OPENED YOUR EYES, HE IS BIRTH AFTER BIRTH YOUR PRABHU.
770714r2.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: I SHALL REMAIN YOUR PERSONAL GUIDANCE, PHYSICALLY PRESENT OR NOT PHYSICALLY, AS I AM GETTING PERSONAL GUIDANCE FROM MY GURU MAHARAJA.
690113LE.LA Lectures
” Similarly, arcye sila-dhir gurusu na… Gurusu means those who are acaryas, to accept their body as ordinary man’s body, this is denied in the sastras. SO ALTHOUGH A PHYSICAL BODY IS NOT PRESENT, THE VIBRATION SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, VIBRATION. WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, THAT IS LIVING.
72-12-14. Letter: Tusta Krsna
Next you ask if I am present in my picture and form? YES. IN FORM AS WELL AS IN TEACHINGS. TO CARRY OUT THE TEACHINGS OF GURU IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TO WORSHIP THE FORM, BUT NONE OF THEM SHOULD BE NEGLECTED. FORM IS CALLED VAPU AND TEACHINGS IS CALLED VANI. BOTH SHOULD BE WORSHIPED. VANI IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN VAPU
Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters
The service of the spiritual master is essential. If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. IN HIS ABSENCE, THEREFORE, HIS WORDS OF DIRECTION SHOULD BE THE PRIDE OF THE DISCIPLE.
73-12-25.Letter: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana
Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. THERE IS NO NEED WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION.
74-11-22. Letter: Bahurupa
I am pleased to hear that you are chanting 16 rounds daily and reading my books regularly and following the four rules. IN MY BOOKS THE PHILOSOPHY OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS IS EXPLAINED FULLY SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING WHICH YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THEN YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO READ AGAIN AND AGAIN. BY READING DAILY THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.
75-09-18. Letter: Babhru, Satyaki
PLEASE CONTINUE READING MY BOOKS SERIOUSLY AND EVERYTHING WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU.
74-11-22. Letter: Hugo Salemon
So far your worship of Lord Jagannatha in your home and your becoming initiated. It is alright provided you have the recommendation of the temple president. I am very glad to see that such a young boy as yourself you are taking serious interest in this Krishna Consciousness Movement. Please continue in this way Our process is something universal. It cannot be checked by any means. Anyone in any place, in any country can chant Hare Krishna. If it is possible to go to the temple, then take advantage of the temple. A temple is a place where by one is given the opportunity to render direct devotional service to the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS YOU SHOULD ALWAYS READ MY BOOKS DAILY AND ALL YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AND YOU WILL HAVE A FIRM BASIS OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS. IN THIS WAY YOUR LIFE WILL BE PERFECT.
75-11-15. Letter: Janajanmadhih
So, if you are strong enough to preach Krsna consciousness there, that is very good; that as long as you chant your 16 rounds and follow the four regulative principles, then you will get the strength. THE PROCESS IS THAT YOU SHOULD MEMORIZE THE PURPORTS OF MY BOOKS AND THEN SPEAK THEM IN YOUR OWN WORDS. DO NOT ADULTERATE OR CHANGE ANYTHING. THEN YOU WILL BE THE PERFECT PREACHER. You should also distribute our books as far as possible. If you do this sincerely, then you will be successful.
Note:If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master our bona fide Diksa guru Srila Prabhupada:
Madhya 19.157 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami
IF ONE THINKS THAT THERE ARE MANY PSEUDO DEVOTEES OR NONDEVOTEES IN THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS SOCIETY, ONE CAN KEEP DIRECT COMPANY WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master. However, unless one follows the spiritual master’s instructions and the regulative principles governing chanting and hearing the holy name of the Lord, one cannot become a pure devotee. By one’s mental concoctions, one falls down. By associating with nondevotees, one breaks the regulative principles and is thereby lost. In the Upadesamrta of Srila Rupa Gosvami, it is said:
atyaharah prayasas ca
prajalpo niyamagrahah
jana-sangas ca laulyam ca
sadbhir bhaktir vinasyati
Madhya 19.157 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami
“One’s devotional service is spoiled when he becomes too entangled in the following six activities: (1) eating more than necessary or collecting more funds than required, (2) overendeavoring for mundane things that are very difficult to attain, (3) talking unnecessarily about mundane subject matters, (4) practicing the scriptural rules and regulations only for the sake of following them and not for the sake of spiritual advancement, or rejecting the rules and regulations of the scriptures and working independently or whimsically, (5) associating with worldly-minded persons who are not interested in Krsna consciousness, and (6) being greedy for mundane achievements.”
modes of nature. Karanam guna-sangah asya sad-asad-janma-yonisu.
Note: you can DIRECTLY associate with Srila Prabhupada by reading his books:
721020ND.VRN Lectures
But in this life, if we develop Krsna consciousness by association of devotees… As Narottama dasa Thakura has sung, tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa. One’s aim of life should be to serve the acaryas. Acarya upasanam. So our acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, the sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha, sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha, the Six Gosvamins, and if we associate with them… THIS BOOK, NECTAR OF DEVOTION, BHAKTI-RASAMRTA-SINDHU, IF YOU READ REGULARLY, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, THIS MEANS YOU ARE ASSOCIATING WITH SRILA RUPA GOSVAMI DIRECTLY. AND IF YOU ACT ACCORDINGLY, THEN YOU ARE SERVING THEIR LOTUS FEET. TANDERA CARANA-SEVI-BHAKTA-SANE VASA.
The MOTIVE remains simply Spiritual because they are Karmis, Mahesh Raja Prabhu. They do not have any misleading intention and purpose of any sort.
Giving you and I the benefit of doubt, those Individuals with Spiritual motive who somehow or other got in touch with the present Iskcon practising regulative principles in cultivating Krsna Consciousness do they make PROGRESS in their respective Spiritual lives on the way going back Home Back to Godhead ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri:The MOTIVE remains simply Spiritual because they are Karmis, Mahesh Raja Prabhu. They do not have any misleading intention and purpose of any sort.
Mahesh: So HOW is motive *spiritual* if they do NOT accept Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru?
Karmi means on platform of Karma – that is NOT spiritual. Karma has fruits of action in three material modes sattva guna(goodness), rajo guna(passion), tamo guna(ignorance).
> They do not have any misleading intention and purpose of any sort.
681223BG.LA Lectures
Just like a blind man is leading other blind men. What is the use of such following leaders? He is blind and I am blind. So if he leads me to cross the road, what [is] my life? My life is in danger. So don’t follow these misleaders
My comments only refer to those individuals with Spiritual motive who somehow or other get in touch with the present Iskcon ( without any involvement in the Iskcon ) and are practising regulative principles as described by Srila Prabhupada in cultivating Krsna Consciousness, do they make PROGRESS in their respective Spiritual lives ?
Hope the question is clearer, now, Mahesh Raja Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Lord Krsna is in FULL control to know who has got spiritual motive: “To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
Bg 10.10 T The Opulence of the Absolute
tesam satata-yuktanam
bhajatam priti-purvakam
dadami buddhi-yogam tam
yena mam upayanti te
SYNONYMS
tesam–unto them; satata-yuktanam–always engaged; bhajatam–in devotional service; priti-purvakam–in loving ecstasy; dadami–I give; buddhi-yogam–real intelligence; tam–that; yena–by which; mam–unto Me; upayanti–come; te–they.
TRANSLATION
To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.
PURPORT
In this verse the word buddhi-yogam is very significant. We may remember that in the Second Chapter the Lord, instructing Arjuna, said that He had spoken to him of many things and that He would instruct him in the way of buddhi-yoga. Now buddhi-yoga is explained. Buddhi-yoga itself is action in Krsna consciousness; that is the highest intelligence. Buddhi means intelligence, and yoga means mystic activities or mystic elevation. When one tries to go back home, back to Godhead, and takes fully to Krsna consciousness in devotional service, his action is called buddhi-yogam. In other words, buddhi-yogam is the process by which one gets out of the entanglement of this material world. The ultimate goal of progress is Krsna. People do not know this; therefore the association of devotees and a bona fide spiritual master are important. One should know that the goal is Krsna, and when the goal is assigned, then the path is slowly but progressively traversed, and the ultimate goal is achieved.
When a person knows the goal of life but is addicted to the fruits of activities, he is acting in karma-yoga. When he knows that the goal is Krsna, but he takes pleasure in mental speculations to understand Krsna, he is acting in jnana-yoga. And when he knows the goal and seeks Krsna completely in Krsna consciousness and devotional service, he is acting in bhakti-yoga, or buddhi-yoga, which is the complete yoga. This complete yoga is the highest perfectional stage of life.
A PERSON MAY HAVE A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND MAY BE ATTACHED TO A SPIRITUAL ORGANIZATION, BUT STILL, IF HE IS NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE PROGRESS, THEN KRSNA FROM WITHIN GIVES HIM INSTRUCTIONS SO THAT HE MAY ULTIMATELY COME TO HIM WITHOUT DIFFICULTY. THE QUALIFICATION IS THAT A PERSON ALWAYS ENGAGE HIMSELF IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS AND WITH LOVE AND DEVOTION RENDER ALL KINDS OF SERVICES. HE SHOULD PERFORM SOME SORT OF WORK FOR KRSNA, AND THAT WORK SHOULD BE WITH LOVE. IF A DEVOTEE IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH, HE WILL MAKE PROGRESS ON THE PATH OF SELF-REALIZATION. IF ONE IS SINCERE AND DEVOTED TO THE ACTIVITIES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, THE LORD GIVES HIM A CHANCE TO MAKE PROGRESS AND ULTIMATELY ATTAIN TO HIM.
Bg 9.3 P The Most Confidential Knowledge
THERE ARE THREE DIVISIONS OF KRSNA CONSCIOUS MEN. IN THE THIRD CLASS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NO FAITH. IF THEY ARE ENGAGED IN DEVOTIONAL SERVICE OFFICIALLY, FOR SOME ULTERIOR PURPOSE, THEY CANNOT ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST PERFECTIONAL STAGE. MOST PROBABLY THEY WILL SLIP, AFTER SOME TIME. THEY MAY BECOME ENGAGED, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN’T COMPLETE CONVICTION AND FAITH, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. WE HAVE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE IN DISCHARGING OUR MISSIONARY ACTIVITY THAT SOME PEOPLE COME AND APPLY THEMSELVES TO KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITH SOME HIDDEN MOTIVE, AND AS SOON AS THEY ARE ECONOMICALLY A LITTLE WELL-SITUATED THEY GIVE UP THIS PROCESS AND TAKE TO THEIR OLD WAYS AGAIN. It is only by faith that one can advance in Krsna consciousness. As far as the development of faith is concerned, one who is well versed in the literatures of devotional service and has attained the stage of firm faith is called a first-class person in Krsna consciousness. And in the second-class are those who are not very advanced in understanding the devotional scriptures but who automatically have firm faith that krsna-bhakti or service to Krsna is the best course and so in good faith have taken it up. Thus they are superior to the third-class who have neither perfect knowledge of the scriptures nor good faith but by association and simplicity are trying to follow. The third-class person in Krsna consciousness may fall down, but when one is in the second-class or first-class he does not fall down. One in the first-class will surely make progress and achieve the result at the end. As far as the third-class person in Krsna consciousness is concerned, although he has faith in the conviction that devotional service to Krsna is very good, he has no knowledge of Krsna through the scriptures like Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita. Sometimes these third-class persons in Krsna consciousness have some tendency toward karma-yoga and jnana-yoga, and sometimes they are disturbed, but as soon as the infection of karma-yoga or jnana-yoga is vanquished, they become second-class or first-class persons in Krsna consciousness. Faith in Krsna is also divided into three stages and described in Srimad-Bhagavatam. First-class attachment, second-class attachment, and third-class attachment are also explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam in the Eleventh Canto. Those who have no faith even after hearing about Krsna and the excellence of devotional service, who think that it is simply eulogy, find the path very difficult, even if they are supposedly engaged in devotional service. For them there is very little hope in gaining perfection. Thus faith is very important in the discharge of devotional service.
PERSONS WHO ARE ALWAYS PLANNING TO DO HARM TO OTHER LIVING ENTITIES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO UNDERSTAND KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS AND CANNOT ENTER INTO THE REALM OF TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE TO THE LORD. ALSO, THERE ARE SO-CALLED DISCIPLES WHO BECOME SUBMISSIVE TO A SPIRITUAL MASTER MOST ARTIFICIALLY, WITH AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE. THEY ALSO CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS OR DEVOTIONAL SERVICE IS. Persons who, due to being initiated by another sect of religious faith, do not find devotional service as the common platform for approaching the Supreme Personality of Godhead, also cannot understand Krsna consciousness. We have experience that some students come to join us, but because of being biased in some particular type of faith, they leave our camp and become lost in the wilderness. Actually, Krsna consciousness is not a sectarian religious faith; it is a teaching process for understanding the Supreme Lord and our relationship with Him. Anyone can join this movement without prejudice, but unfortunately there are persons who feel differently. It is better, therefore, not to instruct the science of Krsna consciousness to such persons.
So from these extensively Scriptural quotes under discussion, it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp ( present corrupted Iskcon ) they come from as described in the BG. 10.10 which reads ;
” To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
Based on the proportionate sincerity and seriousness in cultivating advancement in KC, within the heart of those Seekers, Lord Shri Krishna as the Paramatma feature also guide them accordingly, and give the necessary intelligence or forgetfulness both of which also come from Shri Krishna according to the Bhagavat Gita.
Srila Prabhupada also confirms ; Yes. Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija. Krsna is within you, and as soon as He sees that you are sincere, He will send you to the right person.
Therefore, I can remember TWO such personalities who were / or are sincere enough to have the necessary intelligence to break away from the Corrupt Present Iskcon when they joined the Iskcon. They are Shriman Madhu Pandit dasa President of Bangalore Temple and Shriman Navdaveep dasa President of Shri Krishna Balaram Temple in Vancouver,BC. Perhaps, there could be more which I am not aware of.
So, it does not really matter which source or camp one comes in contact with the Holy Name of the Lord because the name of the Lord is ALL POWERFUL. What matters the most is the purity of the LEVEL of the Individual desire which carries oneself forward in cultivating Krsna Consciousness on the way Home Back to Godhead.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri:So from these extensively Scriptural quotes under discussion, it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp ( present corrupted Iskcon ) they come from as described in the BG. 10.10 which reads ;
” To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
Mahesh: NO! If they belong to Anti Ritvik camp they ALL go to HELL. Anti Ritviks are MISLEADERS:
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Note: SINCERE get Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru:
LCFL Life Comes From Life
Student. If somebody is actually SINCERE, will he always meet a bona fide guru?
Srila Prabhupada. Yes. Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija. Krsna is within you, and as soon as He sees that you are sincere, He will send you to the right person.
Student. And if you are not completely sincere, you will get a cheater for a teacher?
Srila Prabhupada. YES. IF YOU WANT TO BE CHEATED, KRSNA WILL SEND YOU TO A CHEATER. KRSNA IS SUPERINTELLIGENT. IF YOU ARE A CHEATER, HE WILL CHEAT YOU PERFECTLY. BUT IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY SINCERE, THEN HE WILL GIVE YOU THE RIGHT GUIDANCE. In Bhagavad-gita (15.15) Krsna says, sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisto mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca: “I am seated in everyone’s heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.” Krsna speaks of both remembrance and forgetfulness. If you are a cheater, Krsna will give you the intelligence to forget Him forever
Note: Anti Ritvik get PSEUDO SPIRITUAL MASTER:
SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami
THE PSEUDO SPIRITUAL MASTER FLATTERS THE SO-CALLED DISCIPLE, AND THEREBY BOTH THE MASTER AND HIS WARD GO TO HELL WITHOUT A DOUBT.
Bg 10.10
A PERSON MAY HAVE A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND MAY BE ATTACHED TO A SPIRITUAL ORGANIZATION, BUT STILL, IF HE IS NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE PROGRESS, THEN KRSNA FROM WITHIN GIVES HIM INSTRUCTIONS SO THAT HE MAY ULTIMATELY COME TO HIM WITHOUT DIFFICULTY.
Note: BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER is mentioned in above text . Srila Prabhupada is THE Bona fide Spiritual Master. Anti Ritviks are PSEUDO SPIRITUAL MASTERS:
SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami
THE PSEUDO SPIRITUAL MASTER FLATTERS THE SO-CALLED DISCIPLE, AND THEREBY BOTH THE MASTER AND HIS WARD GO TO HELL WITHOUT A DOUBT.
As per the following facts stated in my comments, these two Individuals named therein who joined the Corrupted Iskcon in the beginning and later, they did reject their respective Bogus Gurus of the Anti – Iskcon, Jaya Pataka and Tamala Krishna who did initiate them when they were confronted about the Ritvik system of Srila Prabhupada by these two Individuals. They did join the anti Ritvik Iskson but later they rejected them.
That is what my message all about when I said ;
” Amar Puri:So from these extensively Scriptural quotes under discussion, it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp ( present corrupted Iskcon ) they come from as described in the BG. 10.10 which reads ;
” To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
To which you answered with your response reading ;
Mahesh: NO! If they belong to Anti Ritvik camp they ALL go to HELL. Anti Ritviks are MISLEADERS:”
Read carefully please my message which reads ;
” Therefore, I can remember TWO such personalities who were / or are sincere enough to have the necessary intelligence to break away from the Corrupt Present Iskcon when they joined the Iskcon. They are Shriman Madhu Pandit dasa President of Bangalore Temple and Shriman Navdaveep dasa President of Shri Krishna Balaram Temple in Vancouver,BC. Perhaps, there could be more which I am not aware of.
So, it does not really matter which source or camp one comes in contact with the Holy Name of the Lord because the name of the Lord is ALL POWERFUL. What matters the most is the purity of the LEVEL of the Individual desire which carries oneself forward in cultivating Krsna Consciousness on the way Home Back to Godhead.”
Mahesh: NO! If they belong to Anti Ritvik camp they ALL go to HELL. Anti Ritviks are MISLEADERS:
Where do you read in my message ( If they belong to Anti Ritvik camp ….. ) to which you have answered negatively as a rebuttal with the above mentioned statement in your reply, Mahesh Prabhu ?
Amar Puri: Where do you read in my message ( If they belong to Anti Ritvik camp ….. ) to which you have answered negatively as a rebuttal with the above mentioned statement in your reply, Mahesh Prabhu ?
Amar Puri:So from these extensively Scriptural quotes under discussion, it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp ( present corrupted Iskcon ) they come from as described in the BG. 10.10 which reads ;
” To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
Mahesh: you state, “it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp”.
There is NO CLEAR picture that your were referring to “Madhu Pandit dasa President of Bangalore Temple and Shriman Navdaveep dasa President of Shri Krishna Balaram Temple in Vancouver,BC”. Rather – the statement is OPEN-ENDED. It reads out that you are talking about BOTH camps making progress: Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp:”IT APPEARS THAT THEY DO MAKE A SPIRITUAL PROGRESS if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness REGARDLESS WHICH CAMPS I.E. RITVIK CAMP OR NON-RITVIK CAMP”. And THIS is MISLEADING conclusion. Anti Ritviks do NOT make progress.
I have had a devotee email me:
“He has already taken your answers and turned them into his own conclusion WHICH IS FALSE. This is the RESULT of your dialogue with him.”
Mahesh Prabhu writes INCOMPLETE sentence to make his point VALID when he writes ;
” It reads out that you are talking about BOTH camps making progress: Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp:”IT APPEARS THAT THEY DO MAKE A SPIRITUAL PROGRESS if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness REGARDLESS WHICH CAMPS I.E. RITVIK CAMP OR NON-RITVIK CAMP”. And THIS is MISLEADING conclusion. Anti Ritviks do NOT make progress. ”
WHEREAS my Original writings read as follows ;
Amar Puri says:
22. December 2016 at 9:25 pm
So from these extensively Scriptural quotes under discussion, it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp ( present corrupted Iskcon ) they come from as described in the BG. 10.10 which reads ;
” To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.”
Based on the proportionate sincerity and seriousness in cultivating advancement in KC, within the heart of those Seekers, Lord Shri Krishna as the Paramatma feature also guide them accordingly, and give the necessary intelligence or forgetfulness both of which also come from Shri Krishna according to the Bhagavat Gita.
Srila Prabhupada also confirms ; Yes. Guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija. Krsna is within you, and as soon as He sees that you are sincere, He will send you to the right person.
Therefore, I can remember TWO such personalities who were / or are sincere enough to have the necessary intelligence to break away from the Corrupt Present Iskcon when they joined the Iskcon. They are Shriman Madhu Pandit dasa President of Bangalore Temple and Shriman Navdaveep dasa President of Shri Krishna Balaram Temple in Vancouver,BC. Perhaps, there could be more which I am not aware of.
So, it does not really matter which source or camp one comes in contact with the Holy Name of the Lord because the name of the Lord is ALL POWERFUL. What matters the most is the purity of the LEVEL of the Individual desire which carries oneself forward in cultivating Krsna Consciousness on the way Home Back to Godhead.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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Where is the misleading conclusion, Prabhu, in my writing ?
Kindly do specify as I do stand for correction.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sorry Mahesh Prabhu, you write as such in your message which reads ;
” Mahesh: you state, “it appears that they do make a Spiritual Progress if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness regardless which camps i.e. Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp”.
There is NO CLEAR picture that your were referring to “Madhu Pandit dasa President of Bangalore Temple and Shriman Navdaveep dasa President of Shri Krishna Balaram Temple in Vancouver,BC”. Rather — the statement is OPEN-ENDED. It reads out that you are talking about BOTH camps making progress: Ritvik Camp or non-Ritvik Camp:”IT APPEARS THAT THEY DO MAKE A SPIRITUAL PROGRESS if they are Sincere and Serious enough in cultivating Krsna Consciousness REGARDLESS WHICH CAMPS I.E. RITVIK CAMP OR NON-RITVIK CAMP”. And THIS is MISLEADING conclusion. Anti Ritviks do NOT make progress.”
Whatever you did show your concern as pointed out in the above mentioned message, the answers are VERY CLEARLY written there in my message dated Dec. 22 at 9.25 pm which I did repost it for your kind perusal and convenience so that you may read carefully with rapt attention before you answer it with your INTELLIGENT remarks as usual for a better understanding.
Mahesh Prabhu writes ; “I have had a devotee email me:
“He has already taken your answers and turned them into his own conclusion WHICH IS FALSE. This is the RESULT of your dialogue with him.”
My thoughts in the understanding of subject matter as written in my post dated Dec.22 at 9.25 pm. were infused by your quoted quotes of Srila Prabhupada’s VANI under the discussion which arose the question as put forth in my post which I re-produce here below ;
Amar Puri says:
18. December 2016 at 11:26 pm
Those Individuals who somehow or other got in touch with the present Iskcon practising regulative principles in cultivating Krsna Consciousness do they make PROGRESS in their respective Spiritual lives on the way going back Home Back to Godhead ?
Learned Readers, please share your insights.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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Now I am requesting you and the other devotee who wrote you the email to kindly be very specific what is the FALSE CONCLUSION I have presented in the post dated Dec.22 at 9.25 pm. in order for all the Readers to learn and understand of the discussion under reference.
I am sure that the discussion may encourage all others to participate as well in the learning and the understanding process of the Spiritual knowledge from Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
thanks Mahesh Raja for this article and all details..keep on because many devotees are reading in private. One point is that many devotees came to Krsna Consciousness in 1960’s and 70’s because we were suffering and inquisitive..We were trained as students to ask questions…Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavatam and all scriptures are presenting questions to superior persons and answers are given…So as devotees we can see how the Hare Krsna movement has changed when someone comes to a temple …A sincere person has questions..Now 2017 a person will be soon surprised that some questions are not allowed..And the most sensitive questions are about how Srila Prabhupada has been replaced …or some places why Prabhupada
complained about being poisoned..Your research is much appreciated..We must be able to ask all questions and find answers…so as not to continue the same mistakes…Hare Krsna All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
dharma: thanks Mahesh Raja for this article and all details..keep on because many devotees are reading in private.
Mahesh: Prabhu, thank-you very much for your feed-back and encouragement. I remember long time back we found out that devotees like Ex President of Bhaktivedanta Manor (UK) Bhaja Hari das Prabhu and some other devotees who used to go to the Temple there – they were asked to sign a paper that banned them speaking on Ritvik System as ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada to devotees and congregation members. They were GAGGED. The authorities were much concerned about SECRETLY screwing money in BIG SALARIES. Exploitation BIG time. THIS is THE REASON they did NOT want the Ritvik System and Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru:
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2459.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41633
But – what happened is that the WHOLE of UK was FLOODED with Ritvik papers. We distributed to ALL the addresses of devotees AND congregation members. Some devotees who went to Bhaktivedanta manor confided to me that they were discussing the issues with congregation and other like-minded devotees IN PRIVATE. So what is value of this signing the papers? Totally useless!
NOW we have the Internet and SOOOOOO MANY are reading the evidence that Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY Diksa Guru of ISKCON not these EVIL bunch of slavery making money screwing conditioned soul CROOKS in devotee dress. Srila Prabhupada WANTED these discussions and the Anti Ritvik GOONS are DENYING this:
76-09-22. Letter: Ayodhyapati
Your siddhanta is correct to the sastra and in this way go on reading books and have the correct perception and Krsna will help you. siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha haite krsna lage sudrdha manasa. A SINCERE STUDENT SHOULD NOT NEGLECT THE DISCUSSION OF SUCH CONCLUSIONS, CONSIDERING THEM CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS SRENGTHEN THE MIND. THUS ONE’S MIND BECOMES ATTACHED TO SRI KRSNA.
YOU SHOULD BE ALWAYS ALERT IN UNDERSTANDING THE SASTRIC CONCLUSIONS THAT WILL HELP YOU, OTHERWISE WE CAN BE MISLED BY BOGUS PHILOSOPHIES. I am very pleased that you are studying the books. This will make you happy and successful.
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“We have to defeat tyrrany in the realm of thought,
and create a will for world peace.”
The above quote is taken from Srila Prabhupada’s Back to Godhead magazine on the “First Appearance on the Vyas Puja Day 1944.”
Just want to add some new info. I found Re Bhaja Hari Prabhu’s poor health:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/bhajahari-murphy-in-icu-hospital.html
The authorities at Bhaktivedanta Manor BANNED Bhaja Hari Prabhu who was Ex-Temple President there from distributing ORIGINAL Srila Prabhupada books in the surrounding area.
Bhaja Hari Prabhu had distributed many “Final Order” Ritvik papers. From what I heard is over the years he and Krishnakant fell out but -also- I heard that he was still very staunch on the Ritvik System. The only thing was that he was not allowed to preach on Ritvik System at Bhaktivedanta Manor.
pamho agtACBSP,
thank you to HG mahesh raja prabhu and all the others serious prabhupadanugas around the world who do their best to show to the world of f-iskcon that SRILA PRABHUPADA is our only JAGAT GURU of ISKCON eternally as well as our constant well wisher in this material world and spiritual world too,unless one become eternal by practicing ahituki apratihata constant and unmotivated service to SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA since his previous lives one can’t be accept as a jagat guru,
SRILA PRABHUPADA is still appear with HIS spiritual body to all the sincere prabhupadanugas of this dukhalayam asasvatam world who is been serving HIM seriously by trying their best to spread the SANATANA DHARMA in this degraded society through the BRHAT MRDANGA and all the other services connected to spread krsna consciousness,this is the spiritual power of a SAKTYA AVESHA AVATARA as HDG ACBSP,do not accept a fake and cheap guru who power is limited even to save himself ,
nowadays is becoming a fashion to accept a big donkey as the own kangooru a lot of cheaters want to come in ISKCON only to disturb SRILA PRABHUPADA and because they are cheaters they get cheated too through the false reflection of ISKCON but if one is sincere one take shelter in iskcon beyond danam janam and sundari and all the other rubbish around that is creating more disorders to establish the SANATANA DHARMA,
all the sincere sadhakas of SP will get the lotus feet of SRILA PRABHUPADA by getting salvation as a pukka krpa siddhi while all the others cheaters as fake guru and fake disciples will go to the hell because they are not spreading kc they are spreading only anartha and prajalpa by wasting the human form of life by blaming the real devotees, that is the classic example of a donkey someone who is doing the wrong business but in f-iskcon is not allowed to do that in ISKCON
agtSP
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