Krishna devi dasi: So where does Narayana Maharaja get such knowledge?

Siksha on the Sly

BY: KRISHNA DEVI DASI

Oct 27, 2010 — USA (SUN) — I would like to address the “Stay within ISKCON” instruction given by Gour Govinda Swami.

Almost immediately after the disappearance of Gour Govinda Swami, there was a political upheaval in ISKCON Bhubaneswar, with the Oriyan disciples pushing the Western disciples out and assuming responsibility for all areas of temple management.

Madhavananda and Bhaktarupa prabhus took guidance from Dr. Fakir Mohan Das, a Vaishnava friend of Gour Govinda Swami. Eventually, this relationship became more formal, with the little group of Western Gour Govinda disciples in Bhubaneswar hearing Bhagavatam class daily and taking siksha from Fakir Mohan Das, formerly of the Gaudiya Mission.

Something happened a few years ago, and they stopped publicly supporting Fakir Mohan prabhu. By then however, Fakir Mohan prabhu had been introduced to many ISKCON leaders and devotees.

I see that Fakir Mohan Das has lectured in ISKCON temples, including Amsterdam. You can read more about Fakir Mohan Das from Bhaktarupa prabhu here. There are also several YouTube videos of Fakir Mohan Das. My point being that even some of Gour Govinda Swami’s followers go outside ISKCON, despite their external allegiance to the ISKCON GBC. If ISKCON devotees bring outside influences into the institution, then what does “Stay with ISKCON” mean?

It was known amongst the intimate disciples of Gour Govinda Swami that he himself took siksha from Oriyan babajis and saints. Otherwise, where did he get the things he preaches? Not from our Srila Prabhupada! And why do Gour Govinda and Narayana Maharaja’s teachings so closely resemble each other? Again, it’s the babaji connection. Narayana Maharaja likes to say that Gour Govinda Swami secretly took siksha from himself, but there is no proof or witnesses to such events.

Gour Govinda Swami preached “stay within ISKCON”, but what does that really mean? It appears that the idea is to publicly affiliate yourself with your spiritual master’s math, but privately take siksha from wherever it comes, even outside your institution.

Bhakti Prajnan Kesava Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja’s guru and our Srila Prabhupada’s sannyasa guru, was very strict about discussing rasa tattva or permitting disciples to read raganuga literatures. So where does Narayana Maharaja get such knowledge?

From outside the institution of his spiritual master. At an earlier point in Narayana Maharaja’s life, he left the math of Bhakti Prajnan Kesava Maharaja and went to Radha Kunda to take shelter of the babas there. He talked privately about this with his early ISKCON followers like Tamal Krishna Goswami, Giriraj Swami, Sivarama Swami, etc.

Although Narayana Maharaja may disagree with the babajis publicly, privately he took their siksha for rasa tattva and raganuga sadhana. In fact, some of Narayana Maharaja’s writings are directly plagiarized from the commentaries of Sri Ananda Gopal Gosvami and Sri Ananta Dasa Babaji, renowned Radha Kunda babajis.

There continues to be crossover between Narayana Maharaja’s devotees and the siddha pranali lines, with Premananda das (BV Tirtha Maharaja now) giving siddha pranali diksha or directing devotees to raganuga gurus in the babaji line for siddha pranali diksha. It is an open secret that a few advanced Indian disciples in Narayana Maharaja’s camp are getting siddha pranali.

Narayana Maharaja, on the other hand, preaches that if he is not permitted to preach and canvass in ISKCON temples, then ISKCON devotees should leave their gurus and come to his camp. To solve the dilemma of “stay within ISKCON”, he states that he himself “is ISKCON” and the “real successor” of our Srila Prabhupada.

To address our Western attachment to “honesty”, Narayana Maharaja’s camp preaches: “Krsna is very tricky. Therefore, raganuga devotees are also very tricky.” Or, “If you have greed for raganuga bhakti, you will do whatever necessary to obtain your goal, prema-bhakti.” So it’s considered a sign of advancement that a devotee will be a powerful devotee in his math, but slip away for siksha from a babaji or saint on the sly.

The point being: “Stay within ISKCON” or “Stay within your guru maharaja’s math” is a public stance meant to preserve a connection for a variety of reasons. The downside of this is that Srila Prabhupada’s teachings in ISKCON are being weakened by the introduction of outside elements from caste Goswami or babaji lines.

Comments

  1. you people are so busy in finding other people’s faults,
    let’s see what’s going to happen when your leader departs from bangalore to who knows where…..

  2. Filip says: Let’s see what’s going to happen when your leader departs from Bangalore to who knows where…

    Even if ISKCON Mumbai succeeds in taking over ISKCON Bangalore through the courts, the precedent has already been set! Srila Prabhupada’s ritvik prescription for future initiations within ISKCON works very well!

    Everything these bogus GBC rubber-stamped gurus touch turns to stool! My own personal experience with these bogus GBC gurus taking over the ISKCON Detroit restaurant (Bhakti Tirta Swami), the ISKCON Detroit gurukula (Ravindra Swarupa Dasa), and the ISKCON Hillsborough, NC gurukula (Bir Krishna Dasa Goswami) is ample testimony. In all 3 cases these entities immediately got a very bad reputation and were forced to close.

    Similarly, ISKCON Bangalore will probably turn to stool if these bogus rascals succeed in taking over. If that happens, then who is right and who is wrong will become obvious to everyone!

    (http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/msg/96501f95993ce003)

  3. BV Suddhadvaiti Swami says:

    Sri Gour Govinda Maharaja said to stay within Iskcon when he was there, as there was no need then to go outside; but he also said a few years before, “don’t leave iskcon before 1996”, which puzzled me at that time but became clear when he left and Srila Narayana Maharaja came on the international scene.
    Only a handful of Western disciples of Sri GGM accepted Dr Fakir Mohan as bonafide, as both his harinama (the infamous Ananta Vasudeva) and diksa ( famous sahajiya Kanupriya Goswami) gurus were known to be bogus. Around 90% approached Srila Narayana Maharaja for siksa as Sri GGM said he was a maha-bhagavata.
    Sri GGM didn’t take siksa from “babajis and saints”, but only from one old Oriya babaji disciple of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, Sri Bhakti carana dasa Babaji Maharaja, from whom he got some specific detailed teachings on rasa-tattva that he didn’t get the opportunity to receive directly from Srila Prabhupada. These can be found in the Jaiva-dharma of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.
    Srila Narayana Maharaja only met Sri GGM once in Puri when Sri GGM came to ask him a few specific questions. He never claimed that he gave him siksa secretely.
    Srila Narayana Maharaja never took shelter of the Radhakunda babajis, who consider him their most fierce opponent. He retired for a few months in Govardhana and chanted lakhs of rounds on the very spot where his Giridhari Gaudiya math stands. His writings are mostly based on Visvanath cakravarti’s teachings and since the babajis study the same books, there’s bound to be some similarities, that’s all.
    Subhananda dasa and not Premananda dasa is the former name of Bv Tirtha M. He has nothing to do with siddha-pranali, neither do any of the genuine followers of Srila Narayana Maharaja.
    I suggest that you first check the reliability of your sources before publishing articles containing erroneous information.

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