BY: KIRTAN DASA
I’m with Stephen Knapp and the person above me in comment number 5 who wisely has advised us to read Bhagavad Gita Chapter 16 on “The Divine and Demoniac Natures”.
Really do you trust your government or leaders?? Do you think they love you?? Do you really?? Do you trust politicians who are time and time again proven to be liars and cheaters and generally into power and money?? Do you trust men, so many of whom are blatantly, brazenly linked to big business either directly or who are given back-handers by big business?? Do you really think these politicians, doctors, scientists who are all big sense gratifiers are to be trusted?? Do you really think these fellows always tell the truth? They cannot and do not see the point in controlling their senses.
Many of them are abnoxious atheists denying their own self interest. Their self interest being to surrender to the Lord and stop trying to control everything around them so they can enjoy themselves as if they were God! Do you think these people love you and want what’s best for you? Do they even KNOW what’s best for you or themselves? Yet you trust them? Always? Why? Is it because they are in some official position? Are you afraid NOT to trust them? Are you afraid that the fragile economic, political world they have falsely created for us will reject you if you speak out against them?
How can a person, who doesn’t know or doesn’t care what’s best for himself, know what’s best for you or your family? How can he who denies welfare and life to millions of God’s beautiful creatures be trusted to always do the right thing? I am talking about “our leaders”, who happily eat murdered animals by the millions each day without a care in the world. I’m not saying that all persons who eat meat are not to be trusted when it comes to their dealings with other people. However, it is a large indication of where they are at.
Saint Francis of Assisi said, “If you have men who will exclude ANY of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men”. St Francis was a strict vegetarian as were all of his chief disciples and order of monks until Kali Yuga eroded their steadfastness.
True, some good leaders, by their nature, ARE blessed, due to their good karma, with fairness, truthfulness and a loving serving spirit. I have met some. But in general, and to varying degrees, most leaders, big and small in this Kali Yuga are selfish and will do what is expedient and not what is right.
And sometimes, even when they want to do the right thing, they can’t because they are up against a wall of rascals who wont cooperate with them. They are often up against a system which, by its very design, is unfair and inherently exploitive.
Was Prabhupada Halucinating?
Have we forgotten that A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada said that right now, in this Kali Yuga, on this planet, there are a handful of big demons controlling the world affairs?! Do we think Prabhupada was hallucinating?!
May I please refer you to one of the first books A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada wrote which clearly states Prabhupada’s understanding on this matter. (I would welcome any other references. I know there are many.) The book is “Sri Ramaananda Samvad”. (you can find it in the Prabhupada section of the excelent, huge online database – bvml.org)
In Part 1, 5th paragraph, Prabhupada writes,
“The military arrangement is a false representation of the Ksatriyas, who are meant to give protection to the public at large. However the military leaders (our politicians=ksatriyas) of every country are SUCKING THE BLOOD OF THE MASSES BY IMPOSING HEAVY, UNBEARABLE TAXES, instead of giving ANY actual protection.
The capitalist (big business=pharmaceuticals), who represent the vaishyas, instead of accumulating wealth for carrying out the will of Lord Visnu are AMMASSING HUGE WEALTH for their OWN SENSE gratification. As a result of this, many problems, such as POLITIACL POLICIES which EXPLOIT THE MASSES have sprung up in all parts of the world. The laborers are a perverted representation of the sudra class who are serving the capitalist under the pressure of many obligations”. (my use of highers case letters and parentheses)
They Are Still Doing It
The point is this; in the past there have been rascal leaders who controlled and exploited people, “their own people” their own countrymen and THEY ARE STILL DOING IT! This book of Prabhupada was written in Vrindavan in 1959 long before there was widespread talk of or opposition against globalisation. Although there has been a whole section of thinkers throughtout the world who quite clearly understood the directin the profit-based world of impersonal big business was pushing us. Not all karmis are selfish and stupid. Some do think deeply.
The Bigger The Lie….The Easier They Believe
Politician’s and in this case doctor’s, and people in the pharmaceutical industry’s very mission, very raison d’etre is, to make money. Why? Because they have lots of material desires to fulfill. We really need “TO GET THIS” – that there are people on this earth who will screw you over and turn the whole world upside down to turn a buck, or in this case, BILLIONS OF BUCKS PER WEEK! Do you know how ruthless these people are?! Do you know they will stop at NOTHING to increase profits?
No of course you don’t. And you know why? Its not because you’re stupid. Its because you’re just too nice!! Yes, you heard me. I said you’re too nice. Meaning, you in your wildest dreams would never be so greedy that you would lie, cheat, steal and kill for money and power.
You are too nice and gifted with the Godly quality of a simple heart that you don’t feel the need to muscle, elbow your way, or manipulate yourself into a powerful position in society with the sole/(soulless!) purpose of controlling others so you can exploit them for your own sense gratification. You’re just “too nice” for that.
So it just doesn’t occur to you that when political leaders, doctors and respectable looking scientists with letters after their names tell you something like “This is in th public’s interest”, that they may be LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH to suit their own ends. In this case “their own ends” means making a whole load of money, to satisfy themselves and their immediate and extended family. Because you and I aren’t like this, would never, could never, have the stomach for this we just can’t believe there would be those that would have. And you know what?…. they are COUNTING on us never understanding how nasty they are. And now – one of THE BEST QUOTES of the last many centuries regarding this very issue, how nasty leaders/politicians think; from ONE of THE BESTEST NASTIEST (MIS)LEADERS of all time –
“IT IS INDEED WONDERFUL FOR LEADERS THAT MEN DO NOT THINK”.!!!!! Who said it? Why, Adolf Hitler did of course! He also said, “The BIGGER the LIE you invent, the EASIER people will BELIEVE it”. There are books written about this. There have been TV documentaries about this.
He, Adolf Hitler, and his cronies masterfully used propaganda on a huge scale to brainwash the whole German population to support their self-destructive ultimately Germany-destroying madness. Why? Coz that’s what envious demons do. Misery loves company. No love in their twisted hearts, so lets screw everyone else up too. No love. No sattva guna. Only tamas, anger, lust, greed. Chaos! Destroy, destroy! I bet you have met or even know some people like this. I do!
Why do you think that everything must have changed? Why do you think, “No, our leaders, and good doctors, and scientists etc would never lie to us on that scale”. My response – You know what?! – a junkie always lies. Why? Coz s/he’s addicted to his/her next fix. They will lie, cheat and steal even from their own mother and father. If someone is SO addicted to whatever – power, position or money and the sense gratifcatin that accrues from these, to which s/he are ALSO addicted and if he has no overiding scruples or principles to check his lower self they may LIE, CHEAT, STEAL AND MURDER YOU OR ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY. Most people wouldn’t do this and many leaders wouldn’t also. But big business has and will continue to lie and cheat and put people in jeopardy if it will increase even short term profits. Lying is not an issue for them. Putting people in jeopardy is not an issue for them.
Don’t forget – these people don’t tink like you and me. PLUS THEY CAN’T because if they want to keep their high-paid job, and position, and car, and wife, or husband, and house they “can’t afford to care”. They have SOLD their SOUL to an industry whose leaders SOLD THEIR SOULS LONG AGO. Bankers, politicians, pretty much all the same. Souls sold off. Profit before people.
If They Care – Campaign Against Tobacco and Alcohol
The person above very rightly says that alcohol and tobacco are huge killers in society and always have been. Countless millions have died in road accidents alone from alcohol ALL over the world. Yet this legal and deadly drug is available everywhere except in strict Muslim countries. At least our Muslim brothers have got that one right. Ever been with some strict pious Muslims? They are sobre fellas. They have shakti. And how many people die each year due to smoking? Anyway I digress.
The point very validly being made by the prervious contributor above is that these very harmful substances are undoubtedly killing in the millions yet no Western government dares to ban them. What therefore, in the name of God, are they doing banning a whole branch of ancient medicine. Its NOT BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT OUR HEALTH coz they’d ban alcohol and tobacco IF THEY DID CARE.
Its because the pharmaceutical companies are putting pressure for more control=more profit for them. Once you understand the mentality or the principle behind something or someone’s thinking you can see through all the smoke and mirrors.
Kaliyuga Leaders = Liars – Its That Simple
People who are conditioned souls lie. Its JUST THAT SIMPLE Sometimes they don’t even know they are lying – the self-deception is so deep. But on some level they DO know they are lying. Governments lie, leaders particularly in Kali Yuga are liars and cheaters. This includes the leaders in seemingly honourable professions of science and medicine. We shouldn’t be surprised.
A New Age – Daivi Varnashram
But all my negative talk of liars and cheaters and false Kali Yuga leaders is meaningless unless there is a bigger picture with some kind of a positive spiritual vision.
Prabhupada said 50% of his work was incomplete, namely the establishment of Daivi Varnashram Dharm. When the “normal innocent people” are lead by good, honest, especially Godly leaders, and treated fairly, and honestly, they will, under that guidance, become themselves Godly. Its going to happen. Many young people today are so much more aware than their parents. The information age, internet etc is the Lord’s arrangement to free peolpe’s minds from the regulated tyranny of demons who aren’t able to control it. Do you see how many famous people, particularly artists, singers, actors, writers are being inspired by the Lord in their heart.
Movies like “The MATRIX”, “AVATAR”, even “Lord of The Rings” with its noble sentiments beyond the usual, mundane, tamasic sex and violence and frivolity are fine examples. Many of these artists have not sold their souls. They are independantly spirited – which is good. They earnestly try to spread kindness and love to all they meet. This may sound a little bit setimental BUT one important quality of a Godly soul is that they are non-envious, that they are first and foremost a well-wisher.
I see signs, among many younger people in particular, of a special respectful, and well-wishing bonding that generations before never even knew was possible between their fellow man. I see the melting pot of cultures , the sharing, and respecting of cultures as a very positive sign. This is part of bhakti. To respect others regardless of external differences. One of Bhaktivinod Thakur’s songs states “When will that day come when all the people of the world will perform bhakti. When they do this they will (automatically) think of each other’s welfare”.
Spiritual Revolution
WHAT TO SPEAK THE MASSIVE RECENT SURGE OF LARGE HARINAM GATHERINGS, HOLY NAME DAYS, KIRTAN FESTIVALS that are now being held all over the planet. Its a true Spiritual Revolution of the Patita Pavana Kali Yuga Dharma, Hari Nama Sankirtan.
The Lord can work through anyone or anything He wishes. Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His Glorious Golden Age are already here. Prabhupada said the “DEMIGODS ARE LINING UP TO TAKE BIRTH” in Kali Yuga to take part in the Sankirtan mission. We need to see things with quite a broad vision. True, for the pure highest standard we must not lose sight of pure bhakti practices without motivation. The highest standard must be maintanioed, practiced and taught by our best devotees to the best receptive disciples.
But many people are not ready for that yet. People have attachments as do I myself who do not chant 64 a day yet etc.
Bhaktivinod Thakura’s Vision – Salvation Army
Bhaktivinod Thakur had this amazing vision, this incredible insight to see the Lord’s hand in places where us lesser souls are blind. You know what he said about how he knew the sankirtan mission was already kicking off around the world and soon, as Lord Caitanya had predicted, “My Holy Name will be heard in every town and village of the world”? He said it was evident because the SALVATION ARMY were out on the streets in different cities of the world singing the praises of the Lord with musical instruments.
I would say that if that’s the case, then somehow the Pentecostals, Baptists, Muslims and Buddhists have their role to play in elevating souls to higher understanding. They may even have a more direct role, not yet revealed, whereby some of them may be influenced by pure bhakti princilples. If Bhaktivinod Thakur could see the seed of sankirtan in the Salvation Army then there surely is a way to link all things to Mahaprabhu’s mission including seemingly disconnected inferior religions.
Maybe the Lord is or has already arranged for enlightened souls to take birth in these communities. Maybe He has endowed His chosen devotees with special shakti to gradually change the mood of these often materially and impersonally motivated philosophies to a purer mood with deeper understanding. More on that later.
Yours in the service of the Holy Name, Vaisnavas, Guru and Gauranga. Please forgive my many shortcomings. And please forgive me if I have offended any of you in any way. Please pray for me. May Lord Caitanya bless us all with attachment to His lotus feet and may all beings become happy by performing devotional service.
Some thoughts:
Certainly people are corrupt in Kali Yuga. Our society was called “demon crazy” by Srila Prabhupada. Indeed, people are capable of doing anything for sense gratification. Even poisoning their guru.
Hitler was a demon, but so was Churchill. Our history as victors of WWII, written by the victors of the “demon crazy” society, is warped and not all the things we hear about Hitler are free of exaggeration.
The Muslims… They are cow slaughters and it is intrinsic to their religion. Also, they think they are the “chosen people” (sound familiar… master race???) Just when you think you are getting a fair deal you find out that someone has sold you a car with a bent frame.
Does alcohol really cause the majority of auto accidents, or is this a skewed statistic? When I was growing up, people kept a six pack in the front seat and threw the cans out the window at the street signs. There were no litter laws. Yeah, there have always been auto wrecks, but now, the cars go much faster and are made of tin. Since force is proportional to the square of the velocity, and cars top out not at 60mph but at 110-130mph, when there is an accident the car folds up like an accordion. So why are people dying and just how many are getting into accidents because of drinking? Is that really the cause or is it greed? Also, I remember when I used to drive in the ’60’s etc., people weren’t on your ass and filled with road rage, and in such a hurry. What is going on inside their heads these days? Doesn’t that contribute to accidents?
How honest are such statistics? Are they generated by statisticians who are as honest as the Right-To-Lifers who are indignant about abortion yet suggest (as a recent Right-To-Lifer politician said), we can solve the immigration problem by shooting the illegal immigrants from a helicopter like we hunt wild boars? What are the motives behind the words of these goody-goodies?
Even the scientists are lying, about 9/11, the moon landing, pharmaceuticals, and everything, like it is dharma to lie, so Kirtan das, we are really in a fix with all the lying and cheating. All we have is Srila Prabhupada books, the ones that haven’t been changed (by the demons), as a source of honesty. And those karmis with “honest intentions”?… I wonder…
Dear Mahasahan Prabhu,
DEMON, BRAINWASHING and SKEWED WORLD VIEWS
Please accept my humble obesiances. All Golies to Shrila Prabhupada, guru and Gauranga.
Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my thoughts.
I agree with you. Yep Churchill was a huge demon, Stalin even bigger probably. Yes, what the Allies did in WW2 to their enemy’s civilian populations was FAR worse than what was inflicted upon them by Hitler’s forces, namely Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the outrageous firebombing the hell out of Japanese and german cities. In the opinion of many these are huge crimes against humanity. I am always astounded how being “on the other side of the fence ” makes seemingly caring, civilised people lose all sense of compassion and principle.
Even when we’re chanting hare krishna, and understand such deep philosophy we are still, I feel, so brainwashed by our media and influenced by our national, social, and racial milieu’s so much more then we know or care to admit. I agree with you there.
Public Safety/Land of the Free – BAH!
The US governmen’s record on human rights and caring for people is VERY embarrassing to put it euphemistically. They also don’t care about their own people. After having built a nation on kidnapping, abduction and slavery, after killing tens of tousands of men, women and children in massive military operations in Vietnam and Iraq they have the arrogance to lecture on “human rightS” the interests of public safety. Non-whites, non-rich (pick your group) are still socially, politically, educationally and economically very much marginalised. The are not given equal opportunity. Land of the free and home of the brave my posterior!
These military operation killed thousands of young Americans who became sucked into being a pawn on the chessboard of the greedy powermongering poilitical self-serving elitists. They don’t give a damn about human rights. “Ordinary” good-hearted people DO care about human rights and in general about other people. At least they wouln’t go out of their way to harm others or create systems that do.
JUST COW-KILLERS
I’m not saying Muslims are perfect. But the more advanced among them have many valid spiritual realizations. Everything is coming from the Lord in the heart after all. Surely they do have the complete prohibition on alcohol right. Alcoholic and other intoxicating consumptions help no one in spiritual life, not even in material life. This is Vedic teaching and is exactly what we’ve been taught by AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is it not.
ALCOHOL AND ROAD ACCIDENTS
I wasn’t saying alcohol causes the majority of road accidents. I wasn’t interested in statistically pinning that on alcohol. The point about alcohol and road deaths was, as a previous contributor had so rightly said, – If the government want to ban Ayurvedic medicine, giving the excuse that it is “potentially harmful and that it is in the public’s best interests”, it just makes me doubt their reasons.
Why? Because they are being blatantly hypocritical.
Why? Because there are many other other things that are harmful to public health which govenments don’t care about and don’t make a big hulabaloo out of like the one they are making regarding Ayur Vedic medicines. When I hear politicians and profit-interested industries talk of the “public good” as a premise for them doing something like going on a campaign like this, it just does not ring true. Their sole motivation has NOTHING to do with public safety which is sacrificed any time they can get away with it.
Why? Because they just do what suits them. Generally to make money.
Morals don’t REALLY enter into it except as another tool in their armoury to control and exploit. Definitely there ARE tens of thousands of deaths worldwide due to drink-driving. If the govenment DID care about the public interest they would try to ban or at least go on a campaign against alcohol.
PARAM DRISHTVA – The Higer Taste Principle
Best of course, instead of banning would be to educate, at the youngest level, children in real spiritual life.
And, by the way, interestingly enough, some “enlightened” Muslims whom I know are very strong on this point – i.e. no point in restricting people from something to which they are addicted. That’s not the way, they say. But if you get people to pray, fast, associate with good “pious” brothers and sisters and when they experience the higher taste of connecting to God then they’ll automatically give up these things like intoxication, fornication, wasting time watching TV endlessly etc. Sound familiar?
vishayi vinivartante te…….
param drishva nivartate
“The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste remains, but ceasing such engagement by experiencing a higher taste……
And I’ve met many who, having been taught from an early age about Allah and how to worship Him have a tangible higher spititual taste and would never WANT to drink etc.
Harer Nama…..Eva Kevalam
Yes, those “statistics” like nearly anything that is generated by cheaters to suit their own ends are not wholly reliable. Self-motivated, lust/anger/greed motivated agendas are everwhere where there are persons in the lower modes of rajas and tamas. Indeed prabhu Mahasana, ALL we have ultimately is guru, Gauaranga and radha Krishna and our eternal, unbreakable-by-anything-or-anybody connection with Them through harinam sankirtan. It is our best and only means of enlightenment and deliverance in this dark Kali Age.
As our dear Bhaktissidhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupada said, “only those who attend the kirtan of the devotees will be saved”! May we all have doses of our much needed panacea in ever increasing ammounts and quality. Thank you so much for your association and ongoing discussion prabhu. Please pray for me. Your servant,
Kirtan Das
HARER NAMA HARER NAMA, HARER NAMA EVA KEVALAM