Radhanath likes to be seen as a great saint, like mother Theresa
B. Radha-Govinda Swami says:
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO
I know Janmastami Prabhu and Radhanath. Besides the murder Radhanath got Tirtha prabhu to do, Radhanath is not the “sadhu” he tries to make certain people think he is. For years Janmastami prabhu has had to deal with the reactions for surrendering to Radhanath’s convincing him to be part of the arrangements regarding Sulochan prabhu’s murder (Janmastami not doing the murder), and Radhanath’s later coverup attempts so it would not come to public knowledge that this murder happened because of Radhanath’s organizing.
If Radhanath was really the “saint” that cultish people attribute him, he would be honest and admit to the devotees that he did indeed play the part he did in Sulochan prabhu’s murder, and would explain honestly why he did.
But Radhanath’s coverup behavior is consistant with his other fraudulent activities, which I’m not going to take the time to address here. (I already get sick of thinking about this Rotten Nut, who is SOOOO PRETENTIOUS on all levels, but what is the MOST SICKENING, is that SO MANY people FALL for it.)
Radhanath Swami – Saint or Sinner? – Charlatan or Saint?
http://radhanathswamicrimes.blogspot.com/
http://prabhupadavision.com/2011/01/saint-or-sinner/
http://prabhupadavision.com/2010/11/charlatan-or-saint/
Why is Radhanath Swami being worshiped in ISKCON as a “saint”, if he is guilty of having helped murder a devotee? WHY ISN’T THIS MAN IN PRISON??!?!??!????
12 quotes from different devotees that prove that Radhanath Swami
was directly involved in the murder of Sulochana Prabhu:
1. Kuladri, New Vrindaban’s chief manager, was certainly aware of the other devotees who assisted and inspired Tirtha in his mission. Kuladri indirectly implicated Radhanath when he said: “I know Tapahpunja, along with other swamis, were saying that the community had to do whatever is necessary to protect the Swami [Kirtanananda].” At this time there were only three swamis at New Vrindaban: Kirtanananda, Tapahpunja and Radhanath.
(Kuladri dasa, cited by Halasz & Halasz, court reporters, “United States of America, Plaintiff, v. CR 90-87 Keith Gordon Ham, Terry Sheldon, Steven Fitzpatrick, New Vrindaban Community, Inc., Govardhan, Inc., Cathedral of Healing, Inc., Defendants, Before: Honorable Robert R. Merhige, Jr., United States District Judge and a Jury,” Day III (March 13, 1991), Martinsburg, West Virginia, 475.)
2. Kuladri claimed that Radhanath was one of the key actors in this sordid drama: “Radhanath, Hayagriva and Tapahpunja were pushing like crazy for this [murder] to happen.”
(Kuladri, cited by Dharmatma, from Trial transcript, cited by Halasz & Halasz, court reporters, “United States of America, Plaintiff, v. CR 90-87 Keith Gordon Ham, Terry Sheldon, Steven Fitzpatrick, New Vrindaban Community, Inc., Govardhan, Inc., Cathedral of Healing, Inc., Defendants, Before: Honorable Robert R. Merhige, Jr., United States District Judge and a Jury,” Day IV (March 14, 1991), Martinsburg, West Virginia, 832-837, 941.)
3. Dharmatma claimed that Radhanath was involved to some degree: “he [Radhanath] was involved to some degree or had knowledge of Sulochan’s murder. I know this for a fact.”
(Dharmatma dasa, letter to Hansadutta (August 26, 1994).)
4. Janmastami dasa, who traveled with and assisted Tirtha while conducting surveillance on Sulochan in California, explained how he was recruited to assist in the elimination of Sulochan: “In January of 1986, on my return to New Vrindaban [after the Christmas marathon], I was ordered by Radhanath . . . not by Kirtanananda Swami, to terminate Sulochan. This happened with Tapahpunja Swami and Tirtha in November and December of 1985. I was on traveling sankirtan until Christmas and didn’t get back to the farm until New Years. Immediately on our arrival at New Vrindaban, Radhanath sought me out and made arrangements for us to meet in his van, where he went through a prepared speech that he had delivered to Tirtha, Tapahpunja Swami and Kuladri many times before. Later talks with Tirtha confirmed this.”
(Janmastami dasa, “New Vrindaban History, for the Record”, The Sampradaya Sun (December 22, 2006).
5. Radhanath flattered Janmastami: “You are one of those rare few that Krishna has endowed with the ksatriya spirit and the courage enough to do what has to be done.”
(Radhanath Swami, cited by Janmastami dasa, “Chapter Seven: Knowledge of the Absolute is not Absolute Knowledge,” accessed from http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/ks/nv/7.htm (November 4, 2008).)
6. Janmastami remembered in more detail:
Radhanath was saying to those he was giving marching orders to: “Sulochan poses a life threat to both Kuladri and to Kirtanananda Swami. He has written that in his diary, and for that reason alone, this guy must be transmigrated to his next body.”
Radhanath was clear in his meaning beyond any shadow of a doubt. “Now that Srila Prabhupada has left us, the entire fate of this movement—OUR movement, Lord Caitanya’s movement—rests in Kirtanananda Swami’s hands, and according to our nature, it is up to us to do whatever we can to help the movement in that regard.” . . .
Radhanath had made his pitch to at least a half a dozen sets of sympathetic ears before someone raised these Gita related questions:
“How have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life.”
“The words existent and non-existent refer only to spirit and matter. Why worry?”
“How can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal, and immutable, kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?”Tough questions, but from a submissive audience. Radhanath was undaunted. He quoted Krishna in his response to a potentially explosive volley of inquiry: “Everything has its proper utility, and a man situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing, so there is no possibility of sinful reaction. Also, considering your specific duty as a ksatriya…”
That settled it. The order was there from your bona-fide spiritual authority and it was based on scripture, directly from Krishna. Either you followed those instructions or you were going to hell!
(Janmastami dasa, “Chapter 2: Contents of the Palace, Itemized,” accessed from http://liberatedyogi.tripod.com.)
7. Janmastami’s story was collaborated by two eyewitnesses. Bhaktipada’s chauffeur confirmed: “I was privy to much behind-the-scenes action, and I was there when Radhanath told Janmastami to ‘destroy the demon.’”
(Priyavenu dasa, conversation with the author (September 14, 2003).)
8. A teenage gurukula boy who served under Janmastami also claimed he overheard Radhanath order Janmastami to “destroy the demon.”
(Harivrata dasa, conversation with the author (January 9, 2007).)
9. When Ramachandra dasa, a New Vrindaban sankirtan picker, asked Radhanath Swami: “Do you know who killed Sulochan?” Radhanath replied: “I don’t know, but whoever it was, he was doing devotional service to Krishna.”
(Ramachandra dasa, from a conversation with the author on April 10, 2007.)
10. Dharmatma continued his recollection of the day of the murder and remembered how Kuladri named three instigators who “were pushing like crazy for this to happen.”
“Later on after the morning functions, I had a discussion with Kuladri. He was quite disturbed. He mentioned . . . how it shouldn’t have been done like that. And that how Radhanath, Hayagriva and Tapahpunja were pushing like crazy for this to happen, and how he had told them not to do it.”
(Dharmatma, from Trial transcript, cited by Halasz & Halasz, court reporters, “United States of America, Plaintiff, v. CR 90-87 Keith Gordon Ham, Terry Sheldon, Steven Fitzpatrick, New Vrindaban Community, Inc., Govardhan, Inc., Cathedral of Healing, Inc., Defendants, Before: Honorable Robert R. Merhige, Jr., United States District Judge and a Jury,” Day IV (March 14, 1991), Martinsburg, West Virginia, 832-837, 941.)
11. Janmastami collaborated: “Kuladri was VERY, VERY frightened by the time it was coming to ‘reaction time’ because he knew that he and Radhanath were in very deep doo-doo.”
(Janmastami, e-mail letter to the author (August 1, 2008).)
12. Although Tirtha successfully flew from California to Ohio, he was still in dire straits, New Vrindaban hadn’t paid him what they promised, and he needed money to purchase plane tickets to get out of the country—fast. Dharmatma described how Bhaktipada and Radhanath came to him to pick up the escape money at the sankirtan house:
“The next day Bhaktipada, along with Radhanath, drove up in my driveway in Bhaktipada’s vehicle and tooted the horn for me to come outside. When I came to the car we engaged in some small talk, I don’t remember what. And then Bhaktipada asked me if I had six thousand dollars cash in the house. And I said, “I don’t know. I will see if you want.” He told me to go in and see if I had six thousand dollars.
I went in the house and went into my safe and . . . I counted out six thousand dollars and brought it out to him, and handed it in through the window. I don’t remember if I gave it to Radhanath and he passed it to Bhaktipada, or I gave it directly to Bhaktipada. The mood was a little bit strained, and I said, “What is this? So they [Tirtha and Tapahpunja] can get out of the country?” And Bhaktipada and Radhanath smiled and nodded their heads: “Yes.” And then they said, “Hey, we’ve got to go,” and they left.
(Dharmatma, from Trial transcript, cited by Halasz & Halasz, court reporters, “United States of America, Plaintiff, v. CR 90-87 Keith Gordon Ham, Terry Sheldon, Steven Fitzpatrick, New Vrindaban Community, Inc., Govardhan, Inc., Cathedral of Healing, Inc., Defendants, Before: Honorable Robert R. Merhige, Jr., United States District Judge and a Jury,” Day IV (March 14, 1991), Martinsburg, West Virginia, 832-837, 941.)
Krishna Dasa
PS: Radhanath Swami is being touted by FISKCON as being one of its foremost Pure Devotees which naturally means, one would expect, is due to the mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Please feel free to navigate through his official website and play the game of “Can you find Srila Prabhupada or Krsna?”
http://www.radhanathswami.com/
Check out every single one of his sections and see how much love and respect he has for his Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada by how he glorifies him on this official website of his! It is truly wonderful to behold!
Actually it is very disturbing how he is respected and revered by many of his God Brothers and other so called senior devotees in FISKCON. How can they ignore or be so stupid to not see through this man is beyond comprehension.
Admin
5 Comments so far:
Admin says:
Radhanath Swami has decided to pull the photo albums of his ‘other’ gurus from his website. See Govinda Prabhu’s article “Radhanath Swami -Charlatan or Saint (http://prabhupadavision.com/2010/11/charlatan-or-saint/) This begs the question why would he take them down after he was accused of guru shopping and name dropping as an advertisement ploy? It is now much more obvious that he has used them as an advertising gimmick the same way that he uses Srila Prabhupada. If he was genuine then he would keep them up and stand by them but he is obviously not. Genuine that is…
This man is a first class cheater and a very good example of how the Rubber Stamped Gurus of FISKCON are cheating everyone. This is why we must openly reject these people and not allow them to represent the true Spiritual Master Acharya and Guru Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON these others are cheaters and their followers are the cheated.
Seva das says:
Pamho agtACBSP we do not need to wait that all the kangurus of fiskcon die because they are already dead by disobey the final order of SRILA PRABHUPADA by take the position of HDG ACBSP when they are still trapped in the false ego the SRI ISOPANISAD says that ignorance is dangerous but knowledge is even more dangerous when is use to mislead innocent people and the reaction is that they have to suffer in the hell for cheating people in the name of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA i know kas and rns kill hg sulocana prabhu because the guru business book he written could stop their dirty desire to be worship as SRILA PRABHUPADA anyway all the suffering is waiting for these people at the time of death they are already in the list of yamaraja book in patalaloka if they don’t become pure devotees by surrender to the final order given to us by SRILA PRABHUPADA, by the mercy of HDG ACBSP through the sincere prabhupadanugas devotees i’m aware of this cheating in the fiskcon and try my best to get perfection of life by keep going with the genuine saddhana bhakti that HDG ACBSP gave us i’m not interest in bogus gurus my only desire to get suddha nam by chanting with greediness and become free from the prison house make by gunas and karma without waste time in ordinary people in sannyas dress agtys dandavats daso smi seva das haribol.
Radika bhakti dd says:
Whoever has his own territory in Fiskcon in a robe of a guru-sannyasi has to protect himself.What is the best protection for themselves if they protect one another and then surely together they won’t be overthrown by others.Today Iskcon is not about the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and not about the deep understanding how to go back to Godhead it is about power by so many rascals .Many of us sure about they are purposfully want to destroy the morals, spirituality,and the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
How is that those are still in power and management who assisted the destroy of so many second generation children.Where are those children now?Why these rascal gurus are still in management and not in the jails?
What kind the base Iskcon has?Base of demoniac basion, activities, gundas, sahajiya movements?
These are harsh words but unfortunetly this is reality and never forget that Krishna is always on the side of the truth and rightness so which side is on Iskcon right now?
Admin says:
One can diagnose a disease by its symptoms. The symptoms that afflict our ISKCON community are symptoms that are manifest due to our leaders not following Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada introduced the Vedic culture to us in its pure form as Daivi Varnashram Dharma.
Under Vedic Law crimes are punishable by specific punitive measures. The fact that our leaders have turned and turn a blind eye to criminal activity is not something that Srila Prabhupada desires or instructs. Therefore in this alone our leaders are engaged in criminal activity by knowingly allowing activity that contravenes not only Vedic law but also the law of the land. These are the symptoms of men of low character and integrity. These are low class people who have no culture.
ISKCON’s base is pure. The leaders of ISKCON do not represent ISKCON they represent FISKCON. They are frauds.
The onus is on us to serve the pure devotee and Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON and in order to do so we must reject FISKCON and chose not to serve them or their projects in any way. ISKCON is on the right side it is this FISKCON that is not. They are not us, the majority of devotees of the devotional community. Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada, Krsnacandra Dasa
B. Radha-Govinda Swami says:
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO
I know Janmastami prabhu and Radhanath. Besides the murder Radhanath got Tirtha prabhu to do, Radhanath is not the “sadhu” he tries to make certain people think he is. For years Janmastami prabhu has had to deal with the reactions for surrendering to Radhanath’s convincing him to be part of the arrangements regarding Sulochan prabhu’s murder (Janmastami not doing the murder), and Radhanath’s later coverup attempts so it would not come to public knowledge that this murder happened because of Radhanath’s organizing.
If Radhanath was really the “saint” that cultish people attribute him, he would be honest and admit to the devotees that he did indeed play the part he did in Sulochan prabhu’s murder, and would explain honestly why he did.
But Radhanath’s coverup behavior is consistant with his other fraudulent activities, which I’m not going to take the time to address here. (I already get sick of thinking about this Rotten Nut, who is SOOOO PRETENTIOUS on all levels, but what is the MOST SICKENING, is that SO MANY people FALL for it.)
By dint of logic, if what Janmastami was saying “wasn’t true,” then either he would have to
1) Be crazy to go to the extent he is to commit such an offense towards another devotee in lying about that devotee and know that he’s “lying” – but he’s not – having knowledge of the reactions he could suffer from committing such offenses
2) Be crazy to go to the extent he is to “lie” about such a personality who is so “famous” in the ITS GON world (and know that he’s “lying” – but he’s not), knowing how much flack and hatred it will bring back to him from ISKCON devotees
3) Be crazy to be lying about R, if R really didn’t do as Janmastami prabhu is saying, yet, Janmastami prabhu was (really) thinking it to be true
4) Be crazy to go so far to implicate himself in such a thing, regarding his part in it, if he isn’t telling the truth, (but he is)
So either Janmastami prabhu is telling the truth, or he’s crazy and isn’t. So by dint of logic, these are the choices.
Actually, it’s Radhanath who’s so crazy with his delusions of himself regarding “position” because in the ultimate end of things, we are all anu jivas; servants of the servant of the servant of the servant…
The court stenographer would have been accurate if /she had typed in **rotten nut as opposed to **rot not because Radhanath is a rotten nut, taking this and other things into account.
Your servant, B. Radha-Govinda, Hare Krsna
———
Forumdiscussion from istagosthi@googlegroups.com
Dear Prabhus | PAMHO | AGTSP
Then…….if you have 12 quotes and did not present them before the court, why?
All over Europe you are put into imprisonment on remand when calling others criminal and not having them properly convicted by legally binding court decision.
Ancient principle of ‘no plaintiff, no judge’. The US Prabhupadanugas could not manage to bring valid legal means before the court of law? Why? What went wrong? Nothing was presented at court?
According European law you are spotless unless there is a legally binding court decision. Additionally, Radhanatha Swami is jewish. Calling a Jew that he is a criminal without having a court decision brings you behind bars additionally for three more years.
You don’t have such laws in US, but please consider that there are other countries with other laws. Europeans cannot indulge in such accusation what is de facto not even civil law but criminal law.
Furthermore, the limitation period for such claim, even if it was admissable, might be already expired.
Next thing is, Krishna did not stop Radhanatha. The opposite happened, he could start a huge success story in India.
And this is the main point here, we don’t live in the epoch of mahabharata where ksatriyas fought for justice. Devotees in Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement basically depend on Krishna’s arrangement and nothing else.
If by Krishna’s arrangement we are in the position to act like Prabhupada used to mention to enforce e.g. stuff like cow protection, then devotees of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement surely do this.
However, the situation right now is rather the opposite, our position is to tolerate, to persevere and to be humble.
They say ISKCON has worldwide 1 mio congregational members. Meanwhile these 1 mio people all heard about these accusations. Is there anybody convinced that the Prabhupadanugas are correct?
So far when reading the forums of rank&file ISKCONites, they fight back against the Prabhupadanugas like mad. Not that they are afraid of the GBC and keep quiet. No, they fight like crazy against us, all of them.
So, to go on calling them homosexuals, criminals, murderers, without having legal means to present before a court is rather a complete waste of effort. ISKCON’s congregation is dissociating from the Prabhupadanugas more and more.
Instead we have to defeat them philosophically with solid sastrical proof and actually follow Prabhupada’s footsteps. Isnt this the actual meaning of Prabhupadanuga? To do things like Prabhupada did it?
———–
Thanks Larry Freeman, pamho, agtSP, agreed, the whole thing is illegal. Same situation when 1937 Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja left this physical world.
It took 30 years till they realized that they were stuck and Prabhupada was having success to follow the order of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja and establish Lord Caitanya’s global Sankirtan Movement.
If people want to be cheated Krsna sends them an appointed neophyte conditioned soul guru and both, cheater and cheated are happy. This is present status, ISKCON’s congragational members fight like mad against the Prabhupadanuga process.
At the same time, this is the scheme of this material world, especially kali-yuga, cheaters are evrywhere. As soon as cheated disciples wake up and want a genuine spiritual master, Krsna arranges the needfull. This much faith we must have. Thats what Prabhupada says, “As soon as sees, Krsna, that, “Here is a sincere person who wants Me,” He’ll give you nice guru. * Guru-krsna* *krpa. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadat*. And if you have really a bona fide guru, then by pleasing him you will get the favor of Krsna.”
Therefore, explain what is genuine spirituality and when you are able to convince people about what is genuine guru-tattva, Krsna will do the rest, remove the deviants, remove the obstacles.
———-
Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna, I also think , is this an example of someone (Radhanatha) we want representing the Hare Krishna movement? I guess there wasnt enough evidence against Radhanath, or more than likely he testified against Bhaktipada for not being prosecuted. There were a number of known child molesters in NV in 1985… like Sri Galim, Lalit, that black bodied man with the 3 muslim wives dressed in white that used to stick hoses down the kids throat and beat them. He beat his wives too. Did any of them serve time? Probably no, I butt many of them are still molesting others.. well they didnt get punishment this life they will sooner or later, Krishna will make sure of it. Lakshmi
– Sri Ishopanishad, purport by Srila Prabhupada –
“By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative Acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession… Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called Acaryas,…
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.”
The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.
THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Isopanisad 12)
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (Bg.16.19-20)
Jackals who imitate Prabhupada’s unique position of being worshiped as acarya (as good as God) who want their photos put on alter and their socks worhiped MUST be exposed — Prabhupada’s order.
“So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I am sent by God to rule over you.” “Oh?” So they began to worship him as God, as leader. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” (730503mw.la)
“SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING.”
So you believe that this is how Prabhupada would deal with this issue? No, sorry, this is not Prabhupada and you know it!
Prabhupada would simply do what his guru has ordered him. Prabhupada taught us that Krishna would take care and arrange for everything else. Why you have forgotten the most important thing?
You’re simply excluding Krishna and poking your nose into business that’s better taken care of by Krishna!
Presently, the world is watching how the Hare Krishnas deal with difficulty.
Prabhupada’s movement to be on trial.
You are just doing the opposite. You lost your faith in God. Stumbling on the path of atheism. No more blissful harinam, world sankirtan, festivals and feasts with prasadam and happy smiling devotees.
No more, devotees who are confident – I haven’t to worry about anything, Krishna takes care – all day we simply glorify the Lord and everything is taken care of by Krishna.
But wasn’t this what Prabhupada tried to establish, for what he came to the West?
Now in US, every year 5000 people join Buddhism. People watch and check the spirituality of the Hare Krishnas and – become mislead – and seek shelter in nihilsm. The Hare Krishnas totally disunited, splitting into multiple competing mini-missions.
You accuse ex-ISKCONites of joining the Gaudiya-matha. This happens because of faithless kanisthas like you. Real devotees have faith in Krishna that Krishna will do the needful. You don’t.
Instead, your writings simply encourage the materialists to remain where they are and push on kali-yuga. The whole world is getting your message of fight, conflict, hate, revenge, criminal take-over, false gurus, cheating GBCs, etc etc.
First class preaching, and you know it! Therefore you fight like anything, even among yourselves.
Please wake up, study Prabhupada’s books, conversations and lectures how Krishna takes care of His devotees. Of course a saying goes, don’t wake up a sleeping dog! In this case, right, go on sleeping!
Kp dasi. We are having problems with your mind-set. What you are saying is:- Krishna will take care of everything. Law enforcement, the Courts, the entire legal system and us with them, should sit down and contemplate the navel : give criminality the thumbs up and don’t disturb the preaching because Sri Krshna is going to take care of it, and that means, Krishna cannot use anyone to do it, because you are expecting Him to show up and do the job Himself. Is this right?
Sk das. From human point of view when Prabhupada came to New York it would have made sense to tell all Americans about Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was poisoned, within the Gaudiya-matha there was fight, corruption, blood and thunder, camps, endless court cases of godbrothers battling for the properties of their guru.
The whole list. In fact Prabhupada could have written a book with 600 pages about, “The Gaudiya-matha History”. People would have listened, this man went through a tragedy, he has something worth hearing, real fiasco, human tragedy, and so on and so forth.
Only problem, nobody would have become a devotee – you Sk das having remained a karmi. After some time Prabhupada would have returned to India, mission not accomplished.
Prabhupada taught us everything, we don’t have to speculate, just do as Prabhupada did (“You see the advancement so quickly because they follow my instruction”)
Prabhupada did not sacrifice the preaching of Krishna consciousness in order to expose his godbrothers.
Prabhupada simply fulfilled the order to spread Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement all over the world. By doing this Krishna showered His mercy and without separate endeavor deviant Gaudiya-matha was somewhat rectified.
Did Prabhupada waste his time to expose his Godbrothers? All his lectures, letters, conversations go like this, we are eternal parts of Krishna, the goal of human life is to reconnect with Krishna…
So this is missing, you sacrificed Prabhupada’s order of saving suffering humanity. Kali-yuga is getting stronger each day. Instead of Harinam Sankirtan, you address the conditioned souls with, the battle among Hare Krishna monks, corruption within the Hare Krishna temples.
After 20 years of doing this are ISKCONites convinced, is anybody convinced? It’s even getting worse, enmity and hatred is increasing, kali-yuga is increasing.
As said above, seems like you’re trying to accomplish something what only Krishna can accomplish. Good luck! Please feel free to debate on this.
You should consider the facts as they are instead of stretching a theory to create a conundrum. The fact is: Iskcon’s disintegration and schisms were caused by the very same sentiments you express, i.e., the indifference that fails to address crime and the subsequent suffering of victims, and not by those who identify the culprits responsible for the bad publicity which continues with each new revelation. Srila Prabhupada was never complacent when it came to demonic activity. What gives you the right to interpret his alienation from the Gaudiya Mutt to mean he wanted Iskcon to go on preaching while remaining a retributive free haven for criminals? Anyway, the bottom line is, contrary to your invitation, serious crime is not an issue for cult debate, but a matter for exposure / adjudication by law enforcement and the legal fraternity. If you truly believe that others should ignore crime in favor of preaching, then you should start by ignoring threads such as this one to facilitate your own beliefs. Makes sense?
Those who usurp Srila Prabhupada’s position and claim to be his successors are not saints, and the innocent must be protected from such cheaters. One good example is the former guru of Russia, Harikesa. This person left with large sums of money and a female follower, after having cheated many tens of thousands of devotees in Russia for many years.
Of course some would prefer that we stay quiet about such cheaters.
Create a conundrum, you must be kidding. If you were slightly sincere you would have reopened the case and have a legal court decision. Everything else is humbug. Somewhat you’re confusing to philosophically expose false doctrines and how to deal with criminal law.
Prabhupada: “The criminal thinks, “I do not accept the government laws.” Yet when he is caught he is forced to obey the government laws in the prison house. ”
Prabhupada never philosophically discussed on criminals but said: prison house.
However, if all American devotees decided to not give testimony and have all the leaders of NV get away at court, then this was their deliberate decision. They did not want to have their leaders convicted. Got it? It is simple as that. Makes sense?
If there is great evidence and facts found re-open the case. But this you don’t want.
If someone explains you legal practice , she’s “creating a conundrum”. You lost me here.
>>Create a conundrum, you must be kidding. <>If you were slightly sincere you would have reopened the case and have a legal court decision.<>Everything else is humbug. Somewhat you’re confusing to philosophically expose false doctrines and how to deal with criminal law.<>However, if all American devotees decided to not give testimony and have all the leaders of NV get away at court, then this was their deliberate decision. They did not want to have their leaders convicted.<>If there is great evidence and facts found re-open the case. But this you don’t want.
If someone explains you legal practice , she’s “creating a conundrum”. You lost me here.<<
Don't ever accuse anyone of losing you, you did that yourself. Now about getting lost: either you believe that devotees are seeking redress… or not. For you to challenge the obvious concerns of devotees on this thread re. evidence under scope, and then follow it up with a statement like- "But this you don't want," is an oxymoron: a conundrum by a moron stretching theory to contradict fact. Now, about getting lost……
KPD: ‘Create a conundrum, you must be kidding’.
SGD: No, miss moscow, we just don’t have the time.
KPD: ‘If you were slightly sincere you would have reopened the case and have a legal court decision’.
SGD: My sincerity has nothing to do with it. Radhanatha is being identified as a criminal who escaped justice because..(get the facts), and you are complicit in his crime by blindly defending him in spite of what devotees have testified and recorded in court documented statements. Whether or not Radhanatha is dragged back into a court of law, there is no doubt that neophyte cultist like yourself, who provide sanctuary for criminals, have consequently subscribed to Iskcon’s disintegration.
KPD: ‘Everything else is humbug. Somewhat you’re confusing to philosophically expose false doctrines and how to deal with criminal law’.
SGD: Don’t really understand what you’re saying here. There is an instructive English acronym which reads and translates thus: “KISS”- Keep It Simple Stupid. You should take the advice on board if you expect to be understood.
KPD: ‘However, if all American devotees decided to not give testimony and have all the leaders of NV get away at court, then this was their deliberate decision. They did not want to have their leaders convicted’.
SGD: This statement gives a clear look inside a cluttered head. The actualities are; leaders were convicted and did time The only one who managed to elude prosecution totally, was Radhanatha. But you are here without a clue to glue, waving your KGB flag and accusing “All American devotees” of a conspiracy to conceal evidence.
KPD: ‘If there is great evidence and facts found re-open the case. But this you don’t want.
If someone explains you legal practice , she’s “creating a conundrum”. You lost me here’.
SGD: Don’t ever accuse anyone of losing you, you did that yourself. Now about getting lost: either you believe that devotees are seeking redress… or not. For you to challenge the obvious concerns of devotees on this thread re. evidence under scope, and then follow it up with a statement like- “But this you don’t want,” is an oxymoron: a conundrum by a moron stretching theory to contradict fact. Now, about getting lost……
Hare Krsna
Can someone please explain to me why it is bad for people to follow someone who may be a criminal if that person is telling them to chant Hare Krsna and to read Prabhupadas books?
I am just trying to find out how that persons criminal past may or may not affect the “disciples” or followers. How does it affect the followers devotional creeper? Can that follower still achieve love of God?
Thank you
your servant
Suvarna
@ Suvarna
Thanks July 9th
…can you please explain to me what a vaisnava is.
It’s really difficult to see who is a vaisnava and who is not, especially if one does not even know what a vaisnava is.
It’s not a cheap thing to be a vaisnava…hopefully one day I will become one.
But, please can you tell me what a vaisnava is. Radhanath Swami looks like one (maybe not when he dances like that…Bhava or acting?…I can’t know for sure), he follows a line of vaisnavas, so it’s easy for one to assume that he is a vaisnava.
We are so easily cheated and fooled in this age. I just watched a doco on Saibaba and watched how his followers totally believed who he was and worshipped him…now in Saibabas case…for us it is so obvious that he is a fake, but when it comes to people who are following in our own line of diciplic succession and appear to be followers of Prabhupada, it’s sometimes really difficult to make the distinction…especially if you are afraid of being offensive and don’t actually know what a vaisnava is meant to be.
Sometimes I just want to believe that everything is fine and try to only see the positive and all that, but one can’t help to see the cracks in the walls. And if you don’t get out of the cracked up room, the roof may fall on your head.
I hope to receive some imput from other devotees.
your servant
Suvarna
Prabhupada gives many explanations, just one – being 100% confident that Krishna is taking care of His devotees: “And the whole world is problem for ordinary persons, but to us it is not problem. Because we see everything Krishna’s. If there is problem, it is Krishna’s problem. Why my problem? Krishna can know how to solve problem. So we have no problem practically. Krishna’s problem. Krishna will see to it. Just like Arjuna was encouraged that nimitta-matram bhava savyasacin. “You don’t worry about your victory. I have already arranged.” So we should have such faith and conviction and let us try. Let us do very sincerely and seriously. Then everything Krishna will do. I haven’t got to do anything.
Just like our Krishna consciousness movement, it is improving. Krishna giving us all facilities. We have no power. But we are trying to discharge the duty sincerely. Then it is everything. There is no problem. Visvam purna-sukhayate. And vidhi-mahendradis ca kitayate. And when a person is fully Krishna conscious, he knows what is what. “
Most cultist would kill the Truth if Truth would kill their cult. It is why they are still parroting misinterpretations when the Truth wipes them out.
Well said, Saksi Gopal Prabhu. In Kali yuga it is seen that even when a person has been soundly defeated from many sastric quotes, support of sadhus, and direct instructions from gurudeva, what to speak of practical examples, they still repeat the same pale lies and behaviors as if repeating them makes them true. The new devotees will mostly just blindly do whatever in hell they are told by the GPC, they have never seen Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON, just the bogus cults. Clearly merciful and joyful truth is not part of the program, but control and authority and sense gratification are the interests.
Iskcon has changed drastically. It is nowadays like an indoctrination gang or cult. Devotees are cowed everywhere in this deviant externally controlled cult, are afraid to speak or question anything, lest the cult masters commit further acts of abuse and violence against them. Questioners rather than being entertained and made to feel part of the family, issues to be resolved, are instead attacked psychologically, cheated, abused, sometimes worse.
This has nothing to do with spirituallity and everything to do with authoritarian church-lady cult controllers, with the intent of turning Iskcon away from revolutionary truths towards their Lie; the lies of the world Jesuit/ Royals elite bankster NWO hegemony. Many of the current ISKCON leaders are comparmentalized dupes only, not knowing the larger picture, thinking they are rightly situated, but in reality they serve evil beings with ill intent.
By thier fruits you will know them.
But we must resist, fight, rebuild the positive real thing. Arjuna fought, he did not say, “Krsna will take care of it.” That is psychological disempowerment and is part of the cult brainwash program; fine for women and brahmanas who by nature are passive, to be mild and tolerant, but where has it gotten you so far? Some temporary peace, while the dust of the sins of their guru killing activities settle on your heads? Doomed beasts are in control in their cults, do not just go along with their criminal sociopathic artocities.
@Suvarna
Prabhupada gives many definitions as to what a vaisnava is.
Just like someone may ask, what does the word apple mean? It can mean many things, a fruit, a type of tree, a seed, a color etc. The meaning is taken from the context.
You are asking this question within the context of Radhanath Swami and by appearances he may fit a definition.
Another qualification of a Vaisnava is that he will obey the orders of his spiritual master. If one disobeys the orders of the spiritual master, then he cannot be a Vaisnava. Just like those who have usurped the seat of Srila Prabhupada as Radhanath Swami and his GBC buddies have been doing for the past 30+ years. It is clear that Prabhupada never authorized Radhanath Swami to be his successor.
Also, we know that Srila Prabhupada himself stated that there are many non- Vaisnavas in ISKCON who are posing as Vaisnavas:
Those who unauthorisedly “take the place of the guru” are these very same “jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas”.
Below are the qualities of a pure Vaishnava, but I can’t find “bullshit artist” among them. Radhanath should go on “Dancing With The Stars” and do the “Swami Swish” in sequined saffron!
All these transcendental qualities are the characteristics of pure Vaisnavas. They cannot be fully explained, but I shall try to point out some of the important qualities:
Devotees are always merciful, humble, truthful, equal to all, faultless, magnanimous, mild, and clean. They are without material possessions, and they perform welfare work for everyone. They are peaceful, surrendered to Krsna, and desireless. They are indifferent to material acquisitions and are fixed in devotional service. They completely control the six bad qualities: lust, anger, greed, pride, illusion, and envy. They eat only as much as required, and are sober. They are respectful, grave, compassionate, and without false prestige. They are friendly, poetic, expert, and silent, that is they do not speak whimsically.
(Cc. Madhya 22.77-80)
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”. J. Krishnamurti
Thank you dear devotees for answering my question. I really wish Iskcon was not in the mess that it is in. It makes spiritual life really difficult and uninspiring. Giving up on it all seems like an easy way out.
Thank You Mahasana & Tamohara Prs., for sharing your insights.
We receive mail from devotees stressing concern for the “success” of iskcon’s gurus, and conversely, the two plus decades of reform attempts that have produced no tangible contention to an entrenched regime. When putting the two together it infers endorsement of the GBC by Sri Krsna.
This is a neophyte assumption based on the urgency sparked by our own mortality. When we recognize that Caitanya Dev’s Mission, as per the benediction of His Divine Grace, is in its infancy vis-a-vis the ten thousand year assurance by Sri Guru sadhu and sastra, we should not expect the Supreme Lord to act based on our governance of Time and limitation. Soon Death will level the playing field. We will all be gone. What remains, as always, is the Absolute Truth which is far superior to any religion. Those who inherit corporate Iskcon will be versed in the facts that reformers have worked tirelessly to expose. Theirs will be the decision whether or not to broaden the schisms by continuing to harbor and shield pretenders who were never authorized by an Acarya explicit in his directions for the sanctified continuance of ISKCON as the illumined pathway Home.
When His Divine Grace was leaving He called for devotees from around the planet to come to Vrindavan. Could we be so stupid as to assume He was not aware of the financial losses it would cause? So why did he want this? Was it some morbid trait He had hidden in His impeccable character that demanded His disciples watch an old body die? Or are we to understand that He was afraid to leave without an encomium choir interceding on His behalf?
None of this rings true because none of it fits the persona of Abhay, who was fearless and protected by Divinity since birth (“Never was there a moment when I have not thought of Krishna in this life.”) So why did He want disciples from around the globe to gather at His bedside in those final moments? The answer is simple: His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, had something of great significance that He wished to tell His disciples before departing. He knew that this important information could not be relayed via His secretary Tamal Krishna, who was already in knowledge of the subject matter and had reacted by whispering about poison.
In the end, Srila Prabhupada passed away saying that He had been poisoned ( “Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone has poisoned him.” TKG’s Diary, 340 p.) NAA and audio forensics confirm it. Devotees were never told about Srila Prabhupada’s urgent request until much later, and Tamal Krishna, before passing away, admitted to introducing a system of snatch-and-grab management that was a lie. In a bid to mitigate transgressions he released his memoirs:- “TKG’s Diary,” but we regret to note, it has done nothing to remedy the rot caused by the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body, or the rampaging ten-pin tamaldutas he left behind.
” This morning in the garden, I asked Srila Prabhupada what we should do regarding initiations. He said give me a list of sannyasis, and I shall mark which ones…. These eleven devotees are called “ritvik”–representatives of the acarya. (TKG’s Diary: 112)
August 26, 1972: “All along I have been discouraged in every way by my Godbrothers, but still I have stuck to my duty, keeping my Spiritual Master always in front. Because there is some fighting or bickering amongst us, that does not mean that I should go away. If I have understood the order of my Spiritual Master rightly, then I must perform my duty under any circumstances and never once think of going away under disgust.”
This is what I believe that Srila Prabhupada expected of us all. To be thrown off one’s personal focus and commitment to Prabhupada’s actual mission of spreading the chanting of the Holy Name. But going away FROM THE MISSION is what Srila Prabhupada is encouraging us not to do – by following his example.
You are so right, dear Krishna priya devi dasi; we must never fail to serve our spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, or even think of leaving his services, here or anywhere, ever again. You are very brave and loyal and intelligent and patient to endure our fervor and set a good example for us all by remaining fixed in determination to properly engage in our mutual services to Srila Prabhupada.
So far the mission, it left left US, I would argue. We never left Srila Prabhupada’s service, nor were most ever engaged long in worshipping mere men. The MISSION are the many real devotees, not the bogus-babas. The REAL ISKCON lives, it is you and I.
We are not a series of corporations, properties, bulidings, ceremonial criminal bishops carrying orange dandas, and bank accounts. We are the eternally living ISKCON.
The shmis-con mirror Bizzaro-world mirror-image is NOT Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Gour Govinda Thakura, possibly many others even currently, made that mistake. He tried to stick around the crazed GBC cult for the sake of preaching and satisfying Srila Prabhupada’s request, but that did not work out too well. The bogus shcmis-con are not followers of Prabhupada. They killed him, have you forgotten ?
– then propped his dead body up on the vyasasanas, like canny Christians carrying crucified Christs on crosses around their necks.
We are actively teaching new members about these facts. Have no fears, Saksi Gopal and friends and respected devotes; we will nurture a world-wide ritivk movement that will overwhelm the false cults in due course of time.
Let us hope it can be done before the elites kill off most of the world population. I humbly put it that attention to the world situation is more important than some goofs populating a dead cult. If the world is in enslavement, where is there any question of a sankirtana movement? Pamho.
Tamoharadasa says:
Your statement above raised a point and question.
By this you are admitting that Gour Govinda Thakura made a mistake. Thus not only was he not authorized to initiate (unless you believe the ‘secret whisper’ story) but also not qualified, since he was obviously not self-realized …
The question is what are you referring to? When you wrote …
What request?
Nice try AnonymousjiApril1 ; However, sir, you have not explained how he told his disciple that Gopal Jiu told him he would never return from Mayapura, and there he left his body shortly thereafter. We told you many pastime stories, guess you missed them.
He spoke directly with the Deity, regularly. Everyone, every Vaisnava who encountered him in those days agreed that he is a Mahabhagavata. For example, how many people after a years austere pilgrimage, decide Srila Prabhupada is Jagad Guru of all the Vaisnavas, go into Krsna Balarama Temple, are greeted and taken to see Prabhupada immediately, and he immediately offered him full initiations, and soon sannyasa? Then Srila Prabhupada sent him alone with a mrdanga and little else, to start the Orissa mission? This is an ordinary man, my friend? Srila Prabhupada told us that “This temple, (ed.-Bhubanewsara ) will be one of the most important temples in Iskcon” Apparently Srila Prabhupada also thought him a Mahabhagavata, hmm?
So your enthusiastic cheap shot is just a cheap shot. It is I who made a mistake using those words. Gour Govinda did what Gopal personally told him to, that simple. To me, it appears as a mistake, because now certain ill-informed persons are shooting themselves in the foot, thats all , and I am imperfect, as is apparent also. I “suppose” Krsna did it to arrange that fault-finders could go to hell. Now because of their offenses against pure devotees, the GBCs went to hell.
Kindly do not follow in their footsteps, prabhu, that is what i am trying to save YOU from. And many in ritvikism, which will suffer aparadha by this incessant fanatic ill-informed abuse of a Mahabhagavata pure devotee. Do we need this millstone offense around our necks? Who are you to go around kicking at Gour Govinda Swami anyway??
PS You never answer my questions; did you know him personally? So whatever tainted sources you have are second-hand accusations, at best. The number of miraculous and ecstatic Vaisnava pastimes and happy disciples, with never ever any hint of scandal, is not in your vision. As well, all the direct sources who knew him in reality disagree with you. Hare Krsna. Normally, that would tell an honest person something. Chek my life if I am in any doubt. Barring our 100% disagreement on this issue, do i seem to you like a general apologist for rascals? Take some friendly advice, kindly drop attacking Srila Gour Govinda Thakura, as it appears too much like enviousness.
Tamoharadasa says:
As a burnt-out hippie I entered the temple to attend the advertised festival and Gour Govinda Maharaja was giving Bhagavatam class. So I heard him speak and was impressed but this was before he fell for the GBC’s bogus guru-election fraud. As you confessed this was a mistake. Mahabhagavat’s don’t make such mistakes by endorsing such non-sense which is contrary to Prabhupada’s instructions.
Overnight ‘updated’ reports received from the Indian sub-continent reveal a looming disaster for corporate Iskcon, and Iskcon in India as a whole. It appears that the cult’s fracking for Indian donations and manpower in India, has created its own contamination. The first BIF report on this serious issue can be read on the “Rumors in the Alley” article Rumor- #2.
As a proud Bengali citizen who took birth close to the home of His Divine Grace, went to the same school, and frequented the same Ballygunge bazaar where Gur Mohan had his shop, I am distraught to hear that the books of my Hero / my Guru Dev are under scrutiny of Bharat Ratna scholars appointed by State Govt. The distribution of Caitanya Carnamrita is already banned. BG is half-way done and doesn’t look good. SB will be next. Hrdyananda’s purports are already a hot topic for junior scholars involved. This is a disgrace resulting from police reports on iskcon activities in India, and its unnecessary subjective anti “Hindu” preaching globally.
Nothing more can be divulged at this point. We will update when hard copy comes to hand from our contacts embedded at the source of this controversy.
Could you please provide a link for this “rumor” about the Caitanya Caritamrita being banned?
Everything can be known and calibrated to degrees of veracity. Any where, any time, any place.
No truth is hidden. सत्यवे विजयते.
There are many controversies on this page. What’s the use of poking into such a controversy ?
Seems to be a lot of non sense. All non Vaishnav talk.
I think this page itself is a controversy.
And only stupid people ( like me ? ) read all this.
If you folks are interested in helping the rest of the world, you should first behave in a civilized manner.
Instead of guiding people, you are reducing the faith of the general populace. Whatever controversy you have, why not solve among yourselves? Why are you washing dirty linen in public?
If such people as you, who are supposed to be godly, get involved in so many controversies.. and then you bring up all such controversial matters in public, where will the innocent public go to for help ?
Dear newcomer in cyberspace, plz read “ISKCON Fallen Gurus List” (three new cases have to be added at http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-09/editorials5364.htm) in order to clarify your account who is causing controversy among people in general.
Prabhupada: “This is authentic, and those who have followed, they have got result. And take it from me that there is no cheating, there is no bluff.” (San Francisco, April 2, 1968)
This is what this website is about, to explain those who figure 45 fallen ISKCON gurus is bluff and cheating that this is not caused by Prabhupada’s insufficient guidance but by careless ISKCON leaders.
Again thanks for stopping by!