B. Radha-Govinda, June 05 — The following was sent to me:
05-Jun-11 01:59
Dear Maharajas & Prabhus
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
In 2009 we lost in the trial court and then there were lot of heart burn & criticism even from those Iskcon leaders who pushed me to take on THIS FIGHT With MPD.
Oh Dayaram is so proud, obstinate etc. Dayaram wasted so much ISKCON money.
With this money we could have built temple. No noe can defeat MPD. Dayarama is only dreaming and dragging ISKCON into this fight. as if I had some personal fight with MPD.
Actually in 1980-81 MPD was my hostel mate in IIT. this was before we knew about ISKCON.
And I was neither a Guru nor a GBC against whom MPD started rebelling in 1999. The whole fight started as GBC tried to expell MPD in 1999 due to ritvik issue.
I got involved in this fight in 2002 Dec. After we succeeded in enforcing GBC decision on Adri, but by that time MPD had won the court battle up to supreme court in interim stage and ISKCON was injuncted from interfering with Temple management till disposal of the suit.
Althoguh I was promised all the help including funds etc. by the GBCs. Not much came and whateve came stopped within a year or so. It was only because of the funds from Kolkata temple I could continue this fight.
But in FEb. 2011, GBCs of Kolkata temple, which gave 70% of the funds to fight this Bangalore battle, decided that Kolkata temple (Gurusaday Rd.) funds will go to Kolkata temple construction account and not for Bangalore fight. Needless to say that no alternative funding arrangement for Bangalore fight was made.
Sometime money was so short that I have used my personal funds so that hearing of the Appeal by the High court & other work could proceed smoothly.
To take care of police and political forces is not easy and MPD has much longer, deep contacts and much more deep pockets. Also High Court is not the final court.
Till Supreme Court decideds the matter we can not say we really won and Krsna forbid if we loose in the Supreme Court then all the money spent so far could again be termed as waste & I, who now being being glorified as determined, couragous etc. will again be termed as being obstinate, proud, foolish person who wasted so much of ISKCON money etc.
Keeping all this in mind I had to act and take certain risks. So, I took
little risk in going to MPD temple on friday 3rd June, 2011. Yes only few of us went and yes there were no police protection and therefore it was risky but this was required.
This action was to force Police to take a stand to uphold the High Court order or be exposed for not providing us security and we succeeded to some extend in pushing police to come to us. We also got public sympathy as 7-8 of us were manhandled by about 400 goons of MPD in full view of the Media cameras.
This was also our attempt to fulfil Bureau resolution which is a legal requirement. Anyway I do not have luxury of time to give detail explanation of evrything but I can assure you that I have acted in the best possible way to guard ISKCON’s interest as per legal advice and as per the need of the hour.
Anyway MPD has filed SLP and is listed in the Supreme Court on Monday (6th June) for hearing and now the battle has shifted to Delhi. Hearing will not last for more than 15 minutes and SC will decide future coruse of action, dismiss, issue notice, interim stay etc.
Please pray and bless us that MPD does not get stay of the High Court order.
The best scenario for us is that MPD’s SLP gets dismissed, worst scenario he gets interim stay of the HIgh Court order but anythign in between is also possible. Hare Krsna.
Your servant,
Dayaram dasa
Mayapur Attempt To Storm Calcutta Temple Ends in Fiasco
Calcutta Temple Takeover, Devotees Arrested In Temple Tussle
Court Case against Iskcons bogus GBC and false gurus
Dear all,
Please chant the following prayers everyday henceforth especially today:
PRAYERS
O Lord, You are the controller of formidable strength. You are the protector of the surrendered souls. You possess unlimited energy. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You again and again.
O Lord, You the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is unlimitedly merciful, bestow upon us the benediction of liberation from this present danger. Let Srila Prabhupada’s position as sole diksha guru in ISKCON Bangalore and associated temples be undisturbed, if You so desire.
O Lord, we may have many enemies or very powerful fighters, but if we remain under Your protection, then nobody can do us any harm. But if You kill us nobody can give us protection. The so-called protective methods that we have discovered will be all useless if You do not protect us.
It is by the will of providence that we have been put in this condition, and therefore we shall seek shelter of You, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is always the shelter of everyone, even of great personalities. We are surrendering to You with full faith that You are quite competent and able to give us protection.
We have surrendered unto You, who are supremely liberated. Certainly You will release us from this dangerous position. Indeed, being extremely merciful, You incessantly try to deliver us.
O Lord, You are very powerful and influential. We therefore surrender unto You, the great and powerful Supreme authority who is the actual shelter of everyone.
We may struggle for protection as far as our intelligence allows and may try to take care of ourselves, but unless You save us from danger, all our attempts will be useless. Without Your sanction, nothing can be possible. May You, the Supreme Personality of Godhead give us protection.
Let us always remember: mare krishna rakhe ke, rakhe krishna mare ke: If You protect someone, no one can kill him, and if You want to kill someone, no one can save him. Let us always seek Your personal protection.
Big, big commander-in-chief Dronacharya, Bhishmadeva and Karna were very powerful commanders. Arjuna was nothing before them. Parikshit Maharaja compared “My grandfather was just like an ordinary fish, and these soldiers, these commanders were like timingila. It was not possible for my grandfather to win over the battle before these big, big commanders. It is only by the grace of Krishna he was saved.” May You give us Your grace and help us establish Srila Prabhupada as the sole diksha guru in ISKCON.
Ban order near Iskcon premises
TNN | Jun 6, 2011, 12.15am IST
BANGALORE: Sensing mild tension around the Iskcon premises on West of Chord Road, police on Sunday imposed sec 144 (prohibits assembly of four or five persons) around the temple.
But the ban order did not deter devotees or others from visiting the temple. As Mumbai Iskcon representatives had said they would enter the temple armed with a court order, security was beefed up in the area with more than 100 policemen and one platoon of KSRP deployed there. However, the representatives did not arrive.
On Friday, a fight broke out between devotees of Bangalore Iskcon and Mumbai representatives when the latter tried to enter the temple.
A senior police officer said: “We have not received court directive on the issue. We shall take action against those who disturb social harmony.”
The rival supporters hurled allegations at each other.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Ban-order-near-Iskcon-premises/articleshow/8739959.cms
I am very sorry to say that this time Krishna had something else for Dayarama and Varada Krishna. The Hon’ble Supreme Court has ordered status quo to be maintained. And plaintiff society (ISKCON Bangalore) should manage the temple till the next date after vacation. They (ISKCON Mumbai and their so called Bureau) can’t interfere.
Inspite of this order these two devotees are creating false propaganda in news channels and media that the order is the other way round.
What a pitiable situation? If you cannot reach grapes, you say the grapes are sour. Krishna’s plan is yet to unfold. Wait and watch. Till then dear all please keep praying to Deities that Srila Prabhupada remains the sole initiating guru in ISKCON.
I’m thinking that Krsna is using this situation with Bangalore temple to bring to light the true colors of present-day ITS A CON, to expose the demonic mentality and character of these “in-charges” and their cronies.
May Srila Prabhupada’s genuine sevaks be VICTORIOUS!!!
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
U people are expert comedians and jokers!!! Of course, much more than that! How dare u use Srila Prabhupada’s name after throwing him out of ISKCON? He remains ur bait to attract ur (so called gurus) so-called disciples to the movement!
Yes, exactly, Radha Govinda Swami, and the other dear Devotees, pamho, many of us are amazed at the turning of events. A great work is being done. The stone has been turned, and the worms are revealed beneath.
Now the poisoning and the cheating and the abuse of Godbrothers and corporate takeover greed are there, all India and beyond see it a little bit now, for what it is. No matter the short term outcome, the long term one is now assured, Haribol ! The popular tide of truly devout persons will flow to the lotus feet of Krsna’s purest among devotees, Srila Prabhupada. The Bangalore yatra is already triumphant gloriously!
And, the more the fight goes on, the more the rascals are vanquished, as the people of India know materialistic hostile corporate takeover attempts when they see one, and all is being examined and revealed now, by Krsna’s desire.
The whole world is in a similar situation nowadays, not just Iskcon. This fight mirrors one in the world scenes everywhere.
Don’t forget, it is the small devotees struggling who are most in need of our support, not just the maha-projects. Kindly do also support in a very real way the local renounced orders of brahmacaries and vanaprasthas.
Hare Krishna
chupkare radha govinda
u don even become eligibel to touch the lotus feet of madhu pandit ji
Hare Krishna!!
Dear Dayaram Prabhu;
Please accept my humble obeisances!! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!
After reading your letter, few questions have come up in my mind. I will be obliged if you can answer me.
Q.1 You have written here that “The whole fight started as GBC tried to expell MPD in 1999 due to ritvik issue.”
If this is the case than why are you saying publicly that this issue has come up as MPD is trying to steal the property from ISKCON, where as MPD is not running away anywhere. The fact is that all the property is in the name of trust.?
Q. 2 You have written here that ” Sometime money was so short that I have used my personal funds so that hearing of the Appeal by the High court & other work could proceed smoothly.”
Can you please let us know what is the source of your income because of which you are maintaining your personal bank account? Being a genuine devotee of ISKCON I feel you will not be into any other business activities? Can you disclose publicly your personal assets?
Q.3 You have written that “In 2009 we lost in the trial court and then there were lot of heart burn & criticism even from those Iskcon leaders who pushed me to take on THIS FIGHT With MPD.” And also you have accepted on TV9 debate that neither you are a GURU nor you support their false GURU propaganda.
Given both these facts why don’t you join MPD and fight for a right cause to clear the doubt about GURU issues? Why don’t create synergy by joining hands with MPD and using money of ISKCON in a creative way rather than wasting it into legal cases. You can be a bridge between MPD and ISKCON to settle this issue.
Q.4 Now supreme court has given the relief to MPD and team and court has also requested both the parties to settle down the issues by mutual consent. Would you take initiative for mutual consent and allow MPD and team to continue the same way as they are doing? As ofcourse you also don’t want to become GURU and you don’t even support their GURU system.
I request the editor of this page to please forward this questions to Dayaram Prabhu and seek his answers.
Best regards,
Harish
Good one Harish.
Dear Harish prabhu,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO I hope all is well.
Prabhu, if you write to this email address, and ask for Dayaram’s PAMHO email address, you might be able to get it. Some time a go, when I wsa trying to get some devotee’s PAMHO email contact, I wrote to this email address, and I was giving the address of the person I was asking about. Hopefully you can get Dayaram’s PAMHO email address from here: SysOp@pamho.net
Prabhupada – Vrindavan, May 29, 1977
When I go to Los Angeles I am in Vaikuntha. When I go to New York I am in Vaikuntha. Wherever we have got a temple, that is Vaikuntha. so why shall I have objection? Do your duty nicely and see what Krishna desires. Let it be fulfilled. But you do your duty. It is your duty to pray to Krishna as affectionate children and let Krishna decide. And I have no objection, either.
This should be the actual mode – Jai Srila Prabhupad!!
Ostriches think they are “fine” when they stick their heads in the sand despite the predator’s coming to attack it.
Krsna didn’t tell Arjuna, “Just pray to me.” He told Arjuna to do his duty, to fight against his cousin bothers the Kauravas, his grandfather, Bhisma – a pure devotee and mahajana – and his astra guru, Dronacarya, along with fighting against so many other family members.
Maybe your “mode” is to chant “Jaya Srila Prabhupada,” and sit by and blissfully smile when kali chelas do harm to the devotees, who are trying to serve Srila Prabhupada and Krsna.
I suppose we should just throw Bhagavad Gita out and chant “Jaya Prabhupada.”
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
Am I crazy? or what? (Maybe someone can help clarify this here:)
Sampradaya Sun http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/news/06-11/news3828.htm
Letter from Supervisory Committee to Madhu Pandit dasa from Dayaram dasa, Chairman, Supervisory Committee
10th May, 2011
To
Sri Madhu Pandit Das,
President
ISKCON,
Hare Krishna Hill, Rajaji Nagar,
Bangalore.
Dear Madhu Pandit Das
Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisance. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sub: The Supervisory committee
Ref: Letter dt. 25th May, 2011 by the General Secretary of the Bureau.
It SEEMS that the letter is DATED 10th May, BUT, is referring to a letter dated May 25th, and later, refers to a June date.
So is Dayaram nuts? Or is he so used to changing this and that, that he’s put a date of May 10th for something that had to be written later? (And if he meant June 10th and it was a simple mistake, then WHY would he have “informed” Madhupandit prabhu that they were coming on the 11th, when, if this was a letter to be mailed out, it would have arrived AFTER June 11th?
Anyway, another point to Sauri Krsna prabhu: You want people to be quiet, sit back, only “Jai Prabhupada,” yet don’t consider the fact that the GBC has practically kicked out Srila Prabhupada, gone DIRECTLY AGAINST Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, DEVIATED ISKCON from Srila Prabhupada’s intentions, AND!!! the GBC KNOWS that Srila Prabhupada was POISONED and keeps it all hush hush. Oh yes, and we’re supposed to “Jai Prabhupada” and keep quiet about the fact that Srila Prabhupada’s books have been changed, and, and, and…
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
Dlaczego Krsna pozwolił im otruć Prabhupada?
Why let them poison Krishna / Prabhupada?
Dlaczego Krsna pozwolił im otruć Prabhupada??
Why Krsna let them poison Prabhupada??
There are so many reasons why Krsna would allow for this. Let me give this one here:
Krsna knew the enviousness and desire of certain ISKCON’s main managers, who appeared to be close to Srila Prabhupada, who wanted to push Srila Prabhupada out of His position, so that they could take it for themselves. Krsna knowing how much problem they were already causing for Srila Prabhupada throughout the years, and not wanting to see His pure devotee inconvenienced anymore, allowed for Srila Prabhupada to leave through these people’s giving poison to Srila Prabhupada.
Krsna also wanted devotees to realize how ambitious and envious these people in these positions were, that due to such ambitious, greed, desire and envy, they wanted such a position that much, that they would go this far to poison Srila Prabhupada. If Krsna did not allow them to be successful in poisoning Srila Prabhupada, other devotees who now have some understanding of the nature of these people, would not have understood.
Srila Prabhupada had so much love for Krsna and the whole world, that He simply desired to give everyone Krsna consciousness to whatever degree they would accept His gift. Even though these people had accepted Srila Prabhupada’s mercy, they were that ambitious to become “supreme controllers,” that they did the evil deed they did; giving poison to Krsna’s PURE Ambassador, His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada.
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
Dear Radha Govinda Prabhu,
I am also along with you fighting against the Kali Chelas who do harm to the devotees, who are trying to serve Srila Prabhupada and Krsna. However, in the note included earlier, I quoted Srila Prabhupada’s quote that we should pray faithfully to Krishna and leave the decision in Krishna’s hands (the prayer which Agrani Krishna prabhu has earlier included in this post)
This does not mean that we should not do our duty in fighting. We will fight till we re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the sole Diksha Guru in ISKCON.
Shauri Krishna Das
Hari bol!
Wielu zwolenników Prabhupada pisze na prabhupadanugas.eu, że został On otruty przez swoich uczniów.
Co jest chwalebnego dla czystego wielbiciela Kryszny, w byciu otrutym przez swoich uczniów?
Jeżeli rzeczywiście tak było, w jakim świetle stawia to Krysznę, jako obrońcę swoich bhaktów?
Gdzie szukać w takiej sytuacji, motywacji do zostania sługą Prabhupada i Kryszny?
Waldemar
Hari bol!
Many supporters of prabhupadanugas.eu say that Prabhupada was poisoned by his own disciples.
What is the glory of a pure devotee of Krishna in being poisoned by his own students?
If this were the case what about Krishna as protector of His devotees?
Where to look for in such a situation to get the motivation to become a servant of Prabhupada and Krishna ?
Waldemar
Dear Waldemar; We cannot improve things by denying they happened, thats for sure. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see what is in front of them. I humbly suggest the poisoning was part of a larger world-wide plot out of the CIA etc to keep opposition to worldwide globalist /NWO/Illuminati interests at bay. They cannot tolerate truth or spiritual knowedge outing, as this might end their hegemony over the “shombies” (sheep plus zombies!) they have systematically engineered by social controls, including chemical poisoning and mind control methods. We were perceived as spiritually potent, enough so to change the face of the earth. Leading American poititcians of the times expressed concerns that we might take over the government!
I regularly document all this and express some of it at my internet sites, both at Youtube and Ning networks. Among the devotees in general, some are very interested, while most others have not looked at the facts and are left bewildered.
USA’s Operation Monarch was in play at that time, specifically designed for just such situations, in which the US secret agents attempted to defame, infiltrate, and destroy from within such groups as the Black Panthers, the Hippies, Weathermen, Black Muslims, and other religious and social reform movements of the day. Manipulation of the media, the legal system, spying, illegal acts, brainwashing, mind control, sex slavery, use of mind altering drugs and Manchurian-candidate experiments, were all part of the program. The horrendous LSD mind-control experiments at Cornell university on innocent test subjects is just one example of the nefarious demonic activites, so they had no morals restrictions, no sense of right and wrong whatsoever.
For example of such agents within Iskcon of the time, Adi Kesava Swami, Angus Murphy, has been implicated and it has been demonstrated that he and his family were/are long-time CIA agents. Similarly, Bhavananda and other bogus gurus associated heavily with rich elites, such as the Fords, the Warhols, and other NWO-connected homosexual or elitist persons, make me suspect that the Srila Prabhupada murder plot arose from within that association.
Srila Prabhupada warned us of the Great Sinister Movement, told us that a handful of demonically-minded persons ran the earth planet. The insincere greedy so-called followers such as the eleven were revealed to us all as agents of Maya by this crime. But most of us are too naive to understand, though that understanding is on the increase now. This is a wake up call to us all. The whole planet can be relieved of distress due to the activities of the demons if we recognize them and concertedly reveal the truth to others and push on the sankirtana movement to defeat Maya.
Srila Bhakitsiddhanta Saraswati, the spiritual master of our Srila Prabhupada, was likely also poisoned. At the end, he threw plates they brought him on the floor and refused to eat. Gour Govinda Swami may also have been poisoned. The world’s people are currently being systematically poisoned by radiation, fluoride, aspartame, neotame, MSG, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, GMO frankenfoods, artificial viruses and bacteria; their whole obsession is around killing us off young as possible in order to reduce resistance to world take-over by the elitists. Centralization of authority, corporate hostility, egotism and elitism, fascism, abuse of underlings, mind control, sexual deviance, lying ; the same signatures of the elitists are the daily affairs of the usurpers.
Srila Prabhupada predicted his poisoning years before it happened. He was discussing how as a child his mother would have men hold him while she forced medecine down his throat. The devotees asked if they should do the same, and he replied, “Then they will kill me”, and looking very sober, hung his head down a little.
We do not understand Krsna’s plans, but Srila Prabhupada did, just as Jesus knew, or so it is said. We can act by our God-given intelligence to further the instructions given to us, and try to uproot the agents of evil masquerading as saints.
Our lessons is not to be manipulated by poseurs, not to be naive, not to be fooled again.
We must be independently thoughtful as Srila Prabhupada instructed, not mind controlled unthinking dupes and cultists controlled by criminals and wannabe rock stars. We need to understand what is a bonafide guru, and give up all support of the demonic cult Paundraka is-a-con, like the Paundraka demon calling himself Lord Sri Vishnu.
Hari bol !
Śri Caitanya-Bhagavata:
Madhya-Lila 19.213
Madhya-Lila 19.214
Madhya-Lila 19.209
Madhya-Lila 19.210
Jak to wszystko pogodzić?
How do I reconcile all this?
Waldemar
Srila Prabhupada did not translate the Caitanya Bhagavata. I have a translation by Srila B.V. Puri’s men only, it does not have verse numbers. I dare to suggest that there is part of the problem in understanding. Perhaps just read Srila Prabhupada’s books and purports only, instead, and everything will be simpler and clear? Reading Is-a-con books will only deceive.
Meanwhile, Waldemar Prabhu, could you please describe your question, or position , so we can perhaps understand? Hare Krsna.
Hari bol !
W Śri Caitanya Bhagavata, Śrila Vrndavana Das Thakura zapisał kilka stwierdzeń Śri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu o popełnianiu obraz wobec wielbicieli Vaisnava Śri Kryszny:
Wznosząc swe ramiona Śri Gauranga o złotej skórze obwieścił całemu światu:
Madhya-Lila 19.213 i 19.214:
“Porzucając wszelki krytycyzm wobec innych, niech każdy intonuje imiona Śri Kryszny. Osobiście wyzwolę każdą osobę unikającą krytykowania innych, jeżeli choć raz zaintonuję “Krsna”! Przyrzekam, że jest to prawdą.”
Madhya-Lila 19.209:
“Moje święte imię jest drzewem Kalpa Vriksza i zniszczy każdą osobę, jeżeli choć raz obrazi Mojego sługę.”
Madhya-Lila 19.210:
“Żywe istoty zamieszkujące niezliczone wszechświaty są moimi sługami. Dlatego, każda osoba czyniąca krzywdę innej, zginie:
Jak pogodzić to, co mówi Śri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, z tym co się dzieje na całym świecie, i między zwolennikami Śrila Prabhupada a zwolennikami Iskonu?
Waldemar
Hari bol!
The Sri Caitanya Bhagavata, Srila Vrndavana Das Thakur wrote several statements of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu about committing the image to the Vaishnava devotees of Sri Krishna:
Raising his arms to Sri Gauranga golden skin, he announced to the world:
Madhya-Lila 19.213 and 19.214:
“Abandoning any criticism of others, let everyone chants the names of Sri Krishna. Personally, I find liberation avoids any criticism of others, if you have ever starts a” Krishna! “I promise that this is true.”
Madhya-Lila 19.209:
“My holy name is the Kalpa tree Vriksza and destroy any person if at least once offended my servant.”
Madhya-Lila 19.210:
“Living beings inhabiting the innumerable universes are my servants. Therefore, any person place whereby harm to another, shall perish:
How to reconcile what he says Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, with what is happening around the world, and between supporters and followers of Srila Prabhupada Iskonu?
Waldemar
You are quite right, Waldemar, if I understand you rightly. We must further Srila Prabhupada’s sankirtana movement nicely, not with infighting and the like. We do not want that.
But they do not cooperate, the usurpers’ club and their criminal gangs. They physically attacked us! They still do so at Bangalore etc. even as we speak! They murdered our Godbrothers, gang raped children and other brahmacaris in their CBC aprroved homosex clubs, and stole everything, kicking any real disciples of Srila Prabhupada who resist their criminal activites out, despite lives dedicated to the temples . Where have you been, Baba?
The poisoners should immediately step down, or be ousted and imprisoned for their crimes. The GBCs poisoned Srila Prabhupada, it is a known fact among them that they do not share with those who do not need to know, like us. They have otherwise abused so many Vaisnavas, it is amazing, and it began with their initial offense of envying the spiritual master.
As Parivrjakacaryas, not Paramahamsas, it is our duty to resist Maya and evil, as made clear in our mission by our spiritual master. We serve Godhead and the advanced devotees, make friends with other devotees, and are merciful to and protect the innocents, avoiding the envious or fighting them when necessary to protect the Vaisnavas and the innocents.
Even within ranks, saffron robs do not make necessarily make for a pure heart, so the same rules apply within the temple walls as apply to the rest of the world ;
Srila Prabhupada; There is two mission: not only to give protection to the devotees, but also to kill the demons. To kill the demons, that is one side. So the devotees of Krishna should be trained up both ways: not only to give protection to the devotees, to give them encouragement, but if need be, they should be prepared to kill the demons. That is Vaisnavism. It is not cowardism. It is not cowardism. When need be. [Bhagavad-Gita Lecture 1.7 July 11 1973]
“…in His army, to win the war with Maya and establish Krishna Consciousness as the perfect way of life for every living entity.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 15/11/1971)
“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)
Letter to Giriraja”The fact is that I am the only one in India who is openly criticizing, not only demigod worship and impersonalism, but everything that falls short of complete surrender to Krishna. My Guru Maharaja never compromised in His preaching, nor will I nor should any of my students. We are firmly convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and all other are His part and parcel servants. This we must declare boldly to the whole world, that they should not foolishly dream of world peace unless they are prepared to surrender fully to Krishna as Supreme Lord.”
GBC History in Anecdotes;
In a July 9, 1971 letter to Umapati Das, Srila Prabhupada wrote:
“GBC members are simply to see that things are going on. Other centers have got president, secretary, etc. and they are managing separately. That is the formula. So how is it that the GBC are the final authority? They are simply to examine that things are going on nicely, that is all.”
“GBC men should not dictate very much, simply supervise and see that the standards are maintained.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, February 14th, 1972)
“What will happen when I am not here, shall everything be spoiled by GBC? So for the time being, let the GBC activities be suspended until I thoroughly revise the whole procedure.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, April 11th, 1972)
“I made the GBC to give me relief, but if you do like this, then where is the relief. It is anxiety for me. This is the difficulty, that as soon as one gets power, he becomes whimsical and spoils everything.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, September 12th, 1974 )
“I am training some of my experienced disciples how to manage after my departure. So if instead of taking the training, if in my lifetime you people say I am the Lord of all I survey, that is dangerous conspiracy.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, October 8th, 1974)
“But the difficulty is that our GBC men are falling victim to maya. Today I trust this GBC and tomorrow he will fall down. That is the difficulty. If the GBC men are so flickering then what to speak of the others. Unless this problem is solved whatever we may resolve it will not be very useful. “
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 16th, 1974)
“The GBC should all be the instructor (siksa) gurus. I am the initiator (diksa) guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, August 4th, 1975)
“The GBC (Governing Body Commission) has been established by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to represent Him in carrying out the responsibility of managing the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of which He is the Founder-Acarya and supreme authority. The GBC accepts as its life and soul His divine instructions and recognizes that it is completely dependent on His mercy in all respects. The GBC has no other function or purpose other than to execute the instructions so kindly given by His Divine Grace and preserve and spread his Teachings to the world in their pure form.”;(GBC Resolution No.1, 1975)
“Now has the GBC become more than Guru Maharaja? As if simply GBC is meant for looking after pounds, shilling, pence. The GBC does not look after spiritual life. That is a defect.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, November 10th, 1975)
“It is now evident that some of our top men are very much ambitious and there has been so many fall-downs.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 27th, 1975)
“Our mission is to serve bhakta-visesa and live with devotees. Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru—gurusu nara-matih. That is the material disease.”( Srila Prabhupada Conversation, April 20th, 1977)
Divine Yuga Avatara Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Srila Thakura Bhaktivinode, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami, told in Divine Prophesy, and sent us our Great General ! Senapati Bhakta ! HDG Jagad-Guru Srila Prabhupada , perfect servant of Srimati Radharani and Her Divine Associates of Sri Goloka, Sridhama Mayapura, and Sri Sri Jagannatha Puri / Bhubaneswara dhamas.
Caitanya Mangala, circa 1500 A.D. by Srila Locana dasa Thakura Goswami, contemporary and Gaudiya Vaisnava historian/biographer of Sri Krsna Caitanya. Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu bol :
“yadi papi cadi dharma dure dese yaya mora senapati bhakta yaibe tathaya”
“If some sinful people escape ( His sankirtana movement ) and giving up religious principles go to far off countries, then My Senapati Bhakta ( Great General amongst the devotees ), will come at that time to give them Krsna consciousness.”.
“The temple is a place not for eating and sleeping, but as a base from which we send out our soldiers to fight with maya.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 3/8/1973)
His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, founder-acarya of the Hare Krsna Movement, Jagad Vaisnava Guru, prophesied by Lokanatha Goswami five hundred years ago, and reiterated by Sril Bhaktivinode Thakura 175 years ago, instructed in his mission by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharajah Thakura Prabhupada of Navadvipa and Jagannatha Puri, our Srila Prabhupada is the prophesied “Senapati Bhakta” of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
“Because you are very sincere and enthusiastic boy, and very intelligent also, Krishna has given you this position of leadership in His army, to win the war with Maya and establish Krishna Consciousness as the perfect way of life for every living entity.”(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 15/11/1971)
Syamasundara: ‘And by putting out this book, The Origin of Species, they at once did away with God to be able to… After that Nietzsche, another philosopher who said, “God is dead,” he made that statement first, right after Darwin’s book came out: “God is dead.”” Srila Prabhupada: “So we have to fight against all these nonsense philosophers.”(Discussions with Syamasundara Das)
And we have to fight them. We can not stay silent in the name of “peace” or “co-existence”. Srila Prabhupada: “So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think? It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. […] As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it and eat and sleep, that’s all.” Pusta Krishna: “Like being dead almost.”
Srila Prabhupada: “No fighting spirit.”(Room Conversation, 2/7/1976Glories to Bhadrasena Maharajah!
“By the mercy of the Guru even a dumb man can become a great speaker, and even a lame man can cross mountains.”
“All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, ‘Here is the next leader.’ Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader…. All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don’t want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect.”
(Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)
courtesy RMdd )
Yes, if the usurpers simply followed Srila Prabhupada there would be no problems, but instead they stole his books, temples, devotees, and now they change his books and philosophy to suit their lying agendas. So, as ordered, we push on unchanged and with vigor, and, as necessary, also strongly resist the oppressors.
Hope this was helpful. Please read Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged books only, and you will not be fooled by outsiders’ propagandas or by the lies told by the phony gooroos; their asampradaya can be totally useless.
Jaki jest sens walczyć z Mayą devi, energią Śri Kryszny?
Kto rozpoczął walkę ze Śri Kryszną i Jego energiami?
What is the meaning of Maya devi fight, Sri Krishna Energy?
Who started the fight with Krsna and His energies?
Lovely question Waldemar. Hare Krsna. AGTSP !
Material existence cannot be traced out, there is no beggining nor end. The things which we see in the material world are also eternally here, though the forms and pastimes are endlessly mutable. For example, there will always be houses, though any particual house will not last long due to the inevitable effects of time. There are always living enitites here. Some newer to material existence may be most inimical, those more expereinced and favored by the mercy of liberated souls may be more favorable towards Krsna, but all conditioned beings to a degree are tainted with a seperatist selfish mentality. The exceptions and our saving grace are the rare rare nittya-siddha perfect devotees. who come here for a purpose of service, such as Srila Prabhupada, Lord Jesus, etc., and who are never under the influence of Maya devi, illusions, errors, cheating, imperfect senses.
In the material words, the forms and pastimes in general are temporary and limited, whereas in Vaikuntha, the bodies are eternal and unlimited, unrestricted. The soul is fully free there, and in its most unrestricted natural state. So no amount of adjustment in the material worlds will bring eternal satisfaction, as the soul is eternal not temporary, therefore we expereince so many frustrations with the temporary material things.
Nonetheless, in order for there to be fullest possible expression and manifestation of love and the varieties of tastes, there must also be freedom, otherwise forced love is not love at all. It is like the difference between self-stimulation and love-making.
So Krsna has arranged, we can leave Vaikuntha and His company to do our own thing if we wish. The jivas are marginal energies of a spiritual quality but liable to be overwhelmed by even greater energies such as those possesed by Maya devi, the deluding or conditioning being, so when we leave Krsna’ realms, we become subject to Maya’s laws in her realms. We are not God, but there are beings more like God than ourselves, and they have specific funtions, ie they are the servant energies of God, He is the Source, the energetic, shakti and shaktiman. It is technically she, a form of shakti, or deluding energy in this case, who pins and traps the seperatist jivas, who left heaven, down into an illusion in which they can dream that they are God, or the controller etc, ie items not available in Vaikuntha, and thus try to enjoy themselves.
Krsna likes a fight once in a while. By coming to the material worlds, we the jivas facilitate this desire of the Lord. Hiranyakasipu, for example, was a great jiva-soul devotee who fell down to the material world, and acted as antagonist by fighting Naraharideva, Krishna’s form of ferociousness against demons. Fights of this degree and nature do not take place in heaven, but do here, and thus all the Lord’s intents and full manifestation of all free will and tastes including horror, death, anger, comedy, devastation, chivalry etc become manifest to the fullest possible degrees. By the material world existing, the Lord’s and the living enitities possibilites are manifest more fully.
In this case, our situation, we can say Maya devi is acting such as to cause so much troubles. This does not mean we ignore the troubles, understanding the source of the deluding energy, but rather that we understand what is Krsna’s will and what is His will perverted and hampered by jivas under the Maya, the illusion.
The false ego is to think oneself of seperate interests from Godhead. Maya engeges these persons in schemes and lifetyles to fulfill these desires, but devotees avoid maya in order to follow instead the will of Godhead, Sri Krsna. As conditioned souls, we do not always understand what is Krsna’s desire, therefore we listen and accept the orders of the spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, who is never in illusion. In this way, we are rightly situated in service even if conditioned still. Those who do not do the will of Godhead, by deviating from the orders of the bonafide guru, are understood to be under the will of the Devi-l, so to speak, of Maya Devi’s influences. She is not evil, she is a pure devotee of Krsna, but her duty is often very dark.
Many of us perceive the struggle between the phony gooroos and the pure devotee as a manifestation of this very rasa of fighting. Unfortuantely, the ugly character of it all is terrible, the demons insidious and subtle as well as gross and unbeleivably selfish and deluded and disgusting. Maya has totally bewildered their intelligences. So it is not a very nice fight at all.
“Those who are My devotees shall never be vanquished” the Lord says. So we have confidence in this fact in the long run, but in the shorter run, before all is concluded, all hell can break lose! The wise soldiers stand strong, and do not flinch from their necessary and sometimes arduous work, nor are they disillusioned when they see the pure devotees engaged in struggles also, as that is the very nature of this world.
Is this helpful, Waldemar Prabhu? Your questions are most appropriate and intelligent. I look forward to your studied reply! Hare Krsna, Prabhu Ji
Hari bol !
Drogi Tamohara Prabhu,
Dziękuję za Twoje odpowiedzi.
Gdy Śri Kryszna był obecny na Ziemi, tylko parę osób wiedziało, że Śri Kryszna jest Najwyższą Osobą Boga.
Co widzieli świadkowie odejścia Śri Kryszny?
Śri Kryszna postrzelony strzałą, chyba zatrutą, w stopę i odchodzi.
Co widzieli świadkowie odejścia Śrila Prabhupada?
Śrila Prabhupada otruty i odchodzi.
Uczę się intonować i słuchać święte imiona, tylko dzięki łasce Śrila Prabhupada i Śri Śri Panca-tattvy.
ts Waldemar
Hari bol!
Tamohara Dear Prabhu,
Thank you for your answers.
When Sri Krishna was present on Earth, only a few people know that Sri Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
What the witnesses saw the departure of Sri Krishna?
Sri Krishna shot an arrow, perhaps poisoned, on foot and goes.
What the witnesses saw the departure of Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada was poisoned and goes.
I’m learning to chant and listen to the holy names, only by the grace of Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Panca-tattva.
Waldemar ts
Ile osób mogło być zaangażowanych w otrucie Śrila Prabhupada?
Co sądzisz, Tamohara Prabhu, o tym, żeby modlić się do Śri Kryszny, o łaskę dla nich?
How many people could be involved in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada?
What do you think Tamohara Prabhu, about to pray to Sri Krishna, for mercy for them?
Jaya prabhu. How many were involved? That depends upon what you count as involved? You mean just devotees, or CIA handlers/gov’t agents also? Immediately, Tamal Krsna, Jayapataka, Bhavananda, Bhakti Caru, Satadhanya, Satswarupa, Adi Kesava, Kirtanananda, are most often mentioned by those who were there. Nonetheless, a wider conspiracy of silence and complicity is likely. You should inquire from the experts on that subject; that is not me. I have only involved myself in studying the conclusions and evidence so much as anyone can by searching the net and talking with the devotees. My background as a scientist and brahmana has helped me see through the dissembling in favor of the overwhelmingly clear evidence, such as the forensic lab hair sample analyses.
You sound like a sincere and religious man. I suggest that you may suffer unneeded anguish by pursuing this too much further ? Your analogy of the poisoned arrow made it clear that your understanding is nice and your heart is wise and clear. Satisfy your mind, and pursue spiritual life by dint of your own determination, and by associating with like-minded and encouraging loving persons, read the main scriptures, chant Hare Krsna, take Krsna prasadam, and pursue no sinful life.
We have a net site for social interactions and to create a temple-like internet option. We also offer recommendations for initiations. We speak mostly English though Hungarian language is also used. There are no big gooroos there, only Srila Prabhupada and his followers. We are imperfect but trying. I have said my piece over the years to point out glaring faults, but have this site to accentuate the positive and try to increase the sense of loving belonging among the diaspora-d devotees. You are certainly welcome to visit us there, Waldemar Prabhu, and perhaps make friends with the members? http://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/
Dziękuję Ci Tamohara Prabhu za odpowiedź.
Może napiszę coś jeszcze, jak się będę lepiej czuł.
Thank you for your reply Tamohara Prabhu.
Maybe I will write something else, how will I feel better.
Uważam, że zamiast walczyć z wrogami, czy z demonami, lepiej jest się uczyć modlić, poprzez Śrila Prabhupada do Śri Kryszny, o łaskę dla nich.
Śrila Prabhupada i Śri Kryszna lepiej ode mnie wiedzą, jaką łaskę im okazać i w jaki sposób im ją okazać.
Widzę tylko takie wyjście z istniejącej sytuacji, czyli z walki z osobami z fałszywego Iskonu , czy z walki z wszelkimi innymi wrogami i demonami.
Uważam, że nauka modlitwy o łaskę dla swoich wrogów, jest najlepszą obroną przed nimi.
Na przykład, Śri Nrisimho okazał łaskę Hiranyakasipu.
I think that instead of fighting enemies, or demons, it is better to learn to pray, by Srila Prabhupada to Sri Krishna, for grace for them.
Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna better than I know what the grace of the show and how they show it.
I see only an exit from the existing situation, namely the struggle of people with false Iskonu if the fight any other enemies and demons.
I think learning to pray for mercy for their enemies, is the best defense against them.
For example, Sri Nrisimho Hiranyakasipu gave it.
Dear Waldemar Prabhu, et al; Why do so many lovely and loving persons appear in Eastern Europe? Pardon my mentioning, but the ideals of tolerance and love are very strong there. Such religious and spiritually-inclined peoples, I am attracted to go visit these countries ! An SPI site member, Rasa Manjari DD, living in Hungary, speaks in a very similar fashion, also emphasizes love and compassion. Its very nice, and attractive to people’s minds and hearts.
Yes, Waldemar Prabhu, those of a brahminical nature will speak of peace, whereas the more martially inclined will speak of enforcing or creating peace under duress. Both are needed, I suggest, but ultimately, the ideals of peace and inclusivity are to be most encouraged and appreciated.
So heres a plan; some of us will expose and uproot the rascals, and all will show compassion to the innocent and the other devotees ? Good cop, bad cop ! I joke a little. Unfortunately, the Superior Court in India listens to money and legal wordings, and not rightfulness or prayers so much these days. As for the GBC, as they say in Jersey, “Forget about it !”
PS; For another rasa; Lord Sri Naraharideva ripped Hiranyakasipu apart at the doorsill on His lap with His bare nails, and then tore his guts out. He also fought Hiranyakasipu’s armies and air force in a ferocious gory bloody battle! Heads and weapons were floating in rivers of blood! Powerful deadly aircraft were swatted out of the sky by the Lord. Armies launched but were sliced to pieces in the hundreds of thousands. For hours and days they clashed, every weapon being cast against Lord Nrsngha. but He fought on, and soon the numbers of opponents diminished , and soon, they were vanquished ! Then Prahlad Maharajah, his loving devotee, came to pacify Him, and presenting a garland, he spoke loving words to pacify the Lord.
So a devotee’s pure love conquers even the unconquerable Sri Narahari ! Love dominates, is the highest law, but sometimes that love requires application of “don’t spare the rod lest the man be spoiled ?”
Pamho. Hare Krishna
Drogi Tamohara Prabhu,
Pamiętam, że kiedyś, na początku lat 80, bhaktowie nauczali, że:
Gdy walczy dwóch vaisnavów, i że gdy ktoś bierze stronę któregoś z nich, i przyłącza się do ich walki, wówczas wszyscy razem szybko lądują w piekle.
Czy jest tak rzeczywiście napisane gdzieś w śastrach?
Czy dotyczy to także grup walczących vaisnavów?
Jak to się ma do walki zwolenników Iskonu, ze zwolennikami Prabhupada i ISKCON-u Prabhupada?
Tamohara Dear Prabhu,
I remember once, in the early ’80s, taught devotees that:
When two Vaisnavas fights, and that when someone takes the side of one of them, and joins the fight, then we all quickly end up in hell.
Is it actually written somewhere in sastra?
Is this also applies to groups fighting the Vaisnavas?
How does this relate to fighting Iskonu followers, with followers of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON Prabhupada?
Its simple. We started the Hare Krsna Movement by carefully and enthusiastically following Srila Prabhupada’s orders. Huge success was enjoyed. Envious, many self-serving aggressive psychopathic imposters took the opportunities after his departure, which they had murderously arranged, to steal everything, abuse the devotees, and turn the movement into a kali-yuga demoniac farce, destroying decades of hard work performed by sincere devotees. These are NOT devotees, Waldemaar Prabhu. I don’t need any sastra to see whats in front of my nose.
Define Vaisnava, and you will have your answers; a Vaisnava desires only the highest welfare of pure Krsna consciousness for others.
And yes, did the demons not create hell for so many gurukula kids and almost every one of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples? And who did that? Was it real Vaisnavas, or was it a handful of organized greedy pigs? Should we sit back and smile and let our Godbrothers be abused by CIA agents and goofs? That is a path for submissively being violated by rapists, like Strauss Kahn and Bhavananada the child rapist fellatio artist gooroo, and Umapati the ritvik-hater sastra writer and brahmacari lover teams. Not on your life, Waldemaar Prabhu, not in a million kalpas of yugas !!
We are wasting time even bothering ourselves over these persons. Chant Hare Krsna and encourage others to do the same. Whether honestly following the simple program or using one’s skills to describe the truth, both further Srila Prabhupada’s real mission and end the demons’ programs.
Dear Waldemaar, and V. Prabhu, and Prabhus; Srila Prabhupada makes it clear if you read the Nectar of Devotion, first chapters, that if a Vaisnava is blasphemed, or worse, actually attacked etc., then one must immediately convince the offender of their error, like Vasudeva did to Kamsa. If that cannot be done, one must go away immediately, like Akrura. If even this cannot be done, then one must be prepared to fight the
offender(s), like Vasudeva’s associates in the sacxrificial arena before Sisupala-asura.
We know the current history; so many innocents, women and children, and Vaisnavas and brahmanas attacked, guru hatya, and the mission usurped. This is a gravest possible offense. And they have been warned repeatedly for 30 plus years. But they will not listen to reason, and neither we can just go away so easily, so, you reach the conclusions. What did Srila Prabhupada instruct us ?
Srila Prabhupada: “So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think? It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. […] As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it and eat and sleep, that’s all.” Pusta Krishna: “Like being dead almost.”
Srila Prabhupada: “No fighting spirit.”
(Room Conversation, 2/7/1976 Glories to Bhadrasena Maharajah!
Srila Prabhupada; There is two mission: not only to give protection to the devotees, but also to kill the demons. To kill the demons, that is one side. So the devotees of Krishna should be trained up both ways: not only to give protection to the devotees, to give them encouragement, but if need be, they should be prepared to kill the demons. That is Vaisnavism. It is not cowardism. It is not cowardism. When need be. [Bhagavad-Gita Lecture 1.7 July 11 1973]
“…in His army, to win the war with Maya and establish Krishna Consciousness as the perfect way of life for every living entity.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter, 15/11/1971)
“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)
“Srila Prabhupada; There is two mission: not only to give protection to the devotees, but also to kill the demons. To kill the demons, that is one side. So the devotees of Krishna should be trained up both ways: not only to give protection to the devotees, to give them encouragement, but if need be, they should be prepared to kill the demons. That is Vaisnavism. It is not cowardism. It is not cowardism. When need be. [Bhagavad-Gita Lecture 1.7 July 11 1973] ”
How, your founder acharya HDG ACBSP proposes to kill the demons? Is killing the demons now part of the iskcon preaching process like other mleccha religious fanatical groups. Tamohara Dasa, care to explain the above quote further ?
Czy Śrila A.C. Prabhupada przegrał walkę z demonami, czy nie?
Has Srila A.C. Prabhupada lost the battle with the demons, or not?
SG; Your question is quite bizarre. What has our Movement always done? I mean the real Movement, not the murderous usurpers? We chant Hare Krsna. If you attack a devotee, I will attack you back twice as hard, and you will regret it. If we have nothing , we preach with our bare bodies. If we have everything, we use everything to serve Srila Prabhupada. If we have an army of Vaisnavas, we will defend our innocents from demoniac ways, as has always been the way since time immemorial. We are not cowards, as Srila Prabhupada clearly pointed out for you. Baas. Khalas.
A Question for you SG, whoever you are taking cheap shots anonymously and hiding away because you have no heart to speak; how does following Srila Prabhupada’s orders suddenly become the source of “mleccha fanaticism”? You are calling Srila Prabhupada names now? You are a GBC supporter. You sound like a rascist and a fanatical materialist to me, supporter of those who reject the Jagad Guru Srila Prabhupada in favor of modern criminal corporations, otherwise why do you question his direct instructions, especially to one who has followed them since he was 17 now 56? You like to call me a mlechha, but I am prasadarian since 35 years. You sound like a racist. You show me a quote from Srila Prabhupada that says the above direct order no longer applies or does not apply, sir, then you will have credibility.
Dear Waldemar; Hmmm. Did you read carefully what was written above in several replies? Please reread, or agree to disagree, as we have been over this too often already, sir, same question. The ongoing battle with evil is always won, simply by serving Krsna in any circumstances, and increasing your love. The winning is the surrendered service, not how many chapatis you can stack in the bank. So far as the usurpers go, they are dying one by one, and Srila Prabhupada lives forever, so who is winning what, please? Do not be bewildered by big show-bottles and bricks and big liars. Taking on anxiety for Krsna’s service is the highest form of service. You have an opportunity to serve in less than ideal circumstances and amass huge spiritual credits accordingly.
Is this alright?
End of discussions on my small part in this thread.
First and foremost, understand that it was you Tamohara Dasa who presented the
quote from HDG ACBSP mentioned above. So, pls stick to the point.
Further your statement quote ” We know the current history; so many innocents, women and children, and Vaisnavas and brahmanas attacked, guru hatya, and the mission usurped. This is a gravest possible offense. And they have been warned repeatedly for 30 plus years. But they will not listen to reason, and neither we can just go away so easily, so, you reach the conclusions. What did Srila Prabhupada instruct us ? ” followed by your quote ” Srila Prabhupada; There is two mission: not only to give protection to the devotees, but also to kill the demons. To kill the demons, that is one side. So the devotees of Krishna should be trained up both ways: not only to give protection to the devotees, to give them encouragement, but if need be, they should be prepared to kill the demons. That is Vaisnavism. It is not cowardism. It is not cowardism. When need be. [Bhagavad-Gita Lecture 1.7 July 11 1973]
What does it mean ” kill the demons “.? Who are this demons and why the need
to kill them ? Is killing the demons really Vaisnavism ?
Then quote ” If we have an army of Vaisnavas, we will defend our innocents from demoniac ways, as has always been the way since time immemorial ” What do you
mean by this ?
Hare Krsna.
To, co piszesz Tamohara Prabhu, odbieram jako rekrutację do armii na wojnę z demonami.
To, co piszesz Tamohara Prabhu, bardziej pasuje do nastroju Śri Kryszny i Kurukszetry, niż do nastroju Śri Kryszny jako Śri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu.
What you write Tamohara Prabhu, perceive as the recruitment into the army at war with the demons.
What you write Tamohara Prabhu, more suited to the mood of Sri Krishna and Kuruksetra, than to the mood of Sri Krsna as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Please remember Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu did invoke the Sudarsana chakra when Madhai hurt Sri Nityananda Prabhu. Although Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu Himself in His Siksastaka advocated “trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna”, when Sri Nityananda Prabhu was hurt, He acted like fire. Without going into the details of the incident, suffice it to say that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu demonstrated by His personal example that one must take all steps within one’s power to prevent someone who blasphemes a Vaisnava.
1. Lord Sri Krishna is with Sri Madhu Pandit ji. The Supreme Lord will definitely understand the ill-doings of the fake ISKCON led by the white skinned agents of
India’s enemies.
2. I have seen recently many hare krishna devotees collecting lakhs of money from the gulf in the name of Guruvayur project. They have been collecting money since 1990. Till now they haven’t been able to start a Temple there. So this is mis-management. In KErala many Hare Krishna centres are closed except few BBT counters.
3. The team of Madhu Panditji has done tremendous effort in spreading the message of Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna. Only those who are jealous of these achievements can think of such nasty things.
4. Let these ISKCON mumbai wala take care of Juhu Temple which is in a very bad shape now rather than taking over the Hare KRishna Hill at Blore.
5. ISKCON gurus are obsessed with ‘deeksha’ and give deeksha to cats and dogs also.
These fake gurus not even chant 16 rounds and roam here and there for money…..
Srila Prabhupada is the only Guru of the Movement.
The Supreme Lord says “mam anusmara yudhya cha….”
So we should fight against the Army of these fake gurus thinking of Sri Krishna……..”.
Sri Madhu Panditji is like Arjuna who is waging a ‘dharma yuddha’ and Krishna will definitely make him victorious. Even when Bheeshma, Drona, Kripa and such great Vaishnavas stood by the Side of Kauravas, they all were defeated. Similarly, these
‘american guruvadies’ will also face the terrific defeat soon. What to speak of Dayaram and henchmen, they are already been defeated.
Hare Krishna……………May the ‘Garuda Dwaja’ at Hare Krishna flutter beautifully and conquer new heights so that the demons dressed themselves as Dayaram and all will be Dessicated into pieces………Jay Gauranga…..
I agree that a lot of these bogus gurus are Westerners, however, lets not forget that many folks in Its-a-con are from India like: Sridhara maharaja, Narayana maharaja, Gopal Krishna swami, Gaura Govinda swami and a lot of others are from India too, there are all kinds of crows feasting on the cash cow known as ISKCON, lets not make this a bodily identification issue, there are all kinds of bodies eating the body of ISKCON, not just Westerners. And without all these other bodies / Indian bodied collaborators, these bogus Westerner gurus never would have moved ahead. ys pd
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2011/07/debate-about-gaura-govinda-maharaja.html