Sampradaya Sun Is Unauthorized
BY: KURMA DASA
July 06, AUSTRALIA — On the front page of Rocana Dasa’s Sampradaya Sun website we find the following comment by Srila Prabhupada that Rocana Prabhu has used, to justify the existance of his personally owned website.
“My long desired scheme of a Krishna Conscious daily newspaper is being implemented. Please do this work very nicely. It will be a very great step in the history of ISKCON movement.”
Srila Prabhupada, Letter to Satsvarupa 1971
However, exactly where and when, is there an instruction from Srila Prabhupada that Rocana Dasa was to start such a website or newspaper?
The Sampradaya Sun website is not a Srila Prabhupada authorised website and it is certainly not authorized by the Iskcon GBC.
So exactly who and what does the Sampradaya Sun stand for?
I suppose you could argue that it is sort of neutral, but that cannot be the case can it, as we consistently see Rocana Prabhu kicking off and banning ritviks.
Rocana Prabhu claims that because there is nothing new in the ritviks arguments he will not publish, what he calls ritvik propaganda. Personally I do not buy such nonsense, I believe that Rocana, bans writers of ritvik propaganda, because they are to convincing, and if people read ritvik propaganda on his website they will take to following the ritvik order, this I believe is his true reason.
What Rocana say’s (ritvik arguments are all rehashed) may well be true. However one fact remains true to this day and that is,… Not one person, including Rocana Dasa, has ever defeated the document, …”The Final Order.”
Considering this one would think that Rocana Prabhu would be happy to allow ritviks to write freely about their realizations regarding Srila Prabhupadas Ritvik Order.
I will repeat it again, the Sampradaya Sun website was not authorized by Srila Prabhupada and it is certainly not authorized by the Iskcon GBC, therefore people who are followers of Srila Prabhupadas Ritvik Order, can take what Rocana Dasa and his editors say’s like a pinch of salt. In other words, since he has no authorization give him and his editors the type of credibility they give you. NO CREDIBILITY.
Now watch the insults come flying.
Kurma Dasa (not the chef)
Hare Krsna, Kurma prabhu,
looks like a case of sour grapes to me and unsuitable language usage of yours. Rocana prabhu just posted an article that i wrote called “Rittvik or Rittik” which was all sourced from July 9th letter and may 28th conversation and S.Bhag and Cc.
If you contribute an article that is transparent and thought provoking rather than preaching at, in other words some courtesy and friendliness Rocana will give it his attention, it is his website after all, authorised or not. It is his decision after all.
Dont rehash the same old stuff because it means stalemate for ever. Otherwise how are you ever going to get any credibility? Why on earth do you think “rittvik” has a bad name? Its because its represented badly, not in the mode of goodness. Its not a war to win its a debate to enlighten and support, its not ego centric, its representing Srila Prabhupada not some bloke from the streets. Just try to understand what you are trying to achieve and whom its for. Srila Prabhupada is the Founder Acharya, some say He is the Sampradya Acharya but dont forget He is a person, thats who you are representing not just an iconic symbol of Iskcon.
your unworthy servant dusyanta dasa, wales, uk.
Dandavats Dusyanta, Dasa,
Great ! Rocana Dasa has published one of your articles on ritvik, …one article.
You have a lot of catching up to do prabhu. Lets give it some time and some more articles from yourself, before we start talking about sour grapes, transparency and credibility Dusyanta. Ritvik only has a bad name with those who oppose it, usually the greedy, the ambitious, and the exploiters. And you are correct prabhu the Sampradaya Sun is Rocana Dasa’s personal website, it is not a newspaper authorized by Srila Prabhupada and it is certainly not a GBC sanctioned website. It’s a bit like being an ostrasized ritvik wouldn’t you agree Dusyanta?
Hare Krsna Kurma Prabhu,The mistake you are making is your ability to assume.So your conclusions are wrong about me.
Firstly Rocana prabhu has published many articles from me about Guru Tattva,Rittvik issue.
and My wife Ananda dd has had many articles pulished by Rocana prabhu that i wrote.
Secondly i joined iskcon in 1975 and have no catching up to do whatsoever.I went to all the uk meetings from the mid 1980’s dealing with rittvik,zonals,gurus etc etc.
All i was presenting was the way to command respect and the attention of devotees so that you are taken seriously.
No-one likes to be preached at,but with a reconciliatory mood butter can be melted otherwise butter stays rock hard.
Rittviks do have a bad name in the Iskcon world but not just by the devotees you cite,thats just your interpolation.
There are many rank and file devotees who dont even like the word “rittvik” what to speak about debating the issue.The gulf between rittviks and Iskcon is absolutely massive.
If you want to debate the rittvik issue then a change of tack is needed because the way its been handled up until today has been counter productive to say the least.
Rittviks have bad press ,period.
I am not a rittvik myself but there is alot of mileage in the rittvik issue that has not been covered and debated by the rittviks themselves.They,the rittviks, think its all over and their debate is won but thats just delusional.
The july 9th letter and may 28th conversation still have not been transparently understood or represented.I think the best way forward for us all is to exclude the rittviks and Gbc/gurus from the debate and have all the neutrals debate it without colouring the debate with their conclusions as has whats happened in the past.We have not really had a debate on the subject in iskcon yet,its just been them versus them,not really what debating is all about.There has not been any transparency and the protocol has just been thrown out the door.Its been in the mood of “handbags at dawn” not really Vaisnava mood/debate. Mostly we are in a lose lose situation.
And Iskcon is slowly going down the plughole!!
AGTSP
Dandavats Dusyanta Prabhu.
I do not agree with anything you have stated in your comment.
You take your chances and we will take our prabhu.
thanks
kurma
Here is something banned by Rocana some years ago; the following is not the exact articles, those are long lost, but the ideas ; I put it that the hard ritivks are wrong, in that there are and have been pure devotees since Srila Prabhupada or contemporary with him, and by denying that there will be qualified diksa gurus, now or in future, they are incorrect and fanatical and will be correctly resented for that by other Vaisnavas and their followers. (I am not speaking here of the GBCs, whose cults are all tinged with guru-hatya, but devotees such as Tripurari Swami, or Narayana Maharajaha Thakura in his time, who rightfully have their own organizations.)
What Srila Prabhupada gave us was an initiation system for his temples, which WE his disciples should be occupying, not these other Godbrothers turned corporate gooroos and sitting on the master’s vyasasana. Let them get out, and all their followers, and Srila Prabhupada’s disciples can then return peacefully to our eternal service in the master’s house.
Godbrothers in future within our society who become so advanced, or think they are, and want to be gurus, or people wish to take thier diksa directly, must leave our ashramas and go start their own asahrama, no problem, and not occupy the residence of the spiritual master as if they think they really own it. Hopefully, our men will generally see themselves as servants of Srila Prabhupada, and the pure devotees will be chanting Hare Krishna in SP’s temples as his local representatives.
Ritvik diksa is to be provided eternally from Srila Prabhupada’s temples, which will continue to be the very source of pure Hare Krsna Movement sankirtana. We have no dispute or argument to those other Vaisnavas working within their own organization, why should we? In fact, we should invite them for prasadam and feed them sumptuously.
There are many well-qualified devotees who are brahmanas of Srila Prabhupada, most of us whom now have decades more experience than the list drawn up at the time of zonal ritviks. This considered, and the horrible time we have been having overall with big rock star sannyasis, (actually Srila Prabhupada stopped the sannyasa ashrama for us), each brahmana should recommend and provide good guidance for as many seeking devotional service and diksa as Srila Prabhupada’s bonafide followers as possible, locally, by internet, in all ways, adapting but not waterring down or changing SP’s directions .
Thus, we can take the spiritual power back from the corporations and big rock stars. To this end, we have a small group currently who are doing just that. Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON ; SPIrit-net. There are many others, I am less familiar with them, mostly; they are mosly hard ritivks, while we are just Hare Krishnas, as ever. Power to the devotees and the temple representatives, not to the sannyais or GBCs or any other corporate elitist authorities. Rather, we shall serve locally and by internet etc.as directed by Srila Prabhupada. He said that other ritivk priests may be addeed as required.
These understandings of Srila Prabhupada’s directions for us were sent to SS years ago, but blocked by Rocana at the time.
There is a big difference in this presentation versus that of the hard ritivks. For example, devotees such as Gaura Govinda Swami Thakura, who was clearly a nitya siddha, will not be abused or disgraced and ridiculed by hard-ritviks such as pada etc. had they actually accepted Srila Prabhupada’s instructions and not started a campaign of spoken if not actual violence against other Vaisnavas, again pada comes to mind.
Many articles written by Radha Govinda Swami, Harakumara Prabhu, many others, and also myself, were also blocked by Rocana’s slant, such that the dumb points made by GBC cultists were made to appear as if they dominated, as the replies were cut off.
I sincerely believe Rocana Prabhu has been quite intentionally misguiding truth seekers, in that his reporting etc is nowhere unbiased, but carefully twisted and fabricated to suit his ends.