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ISKCON BANGALOREBy Madhudvisa dasa

GBC’s Attack on Bangalore is All About the Money

Sep 09 2011, Australia — ISKCON claim they are trying to eject Madhu Pandit Prabhu from ISKCON Bangalore because of a philosophical deviation but we have examples in the past where ISKCON temples have separated themselves from ISKCON and have followed a path different from the one chalked out by the GBC.

The exact same situation occurred in Singapore where the devotees in the temple decided to accept the ritvik ideas and operate separately from the GBC. ISKCON did not try to get the temple back but just let them go on serving Srila Prabhupada.

There was no money there so they are not concerned about this. In St. Petersburg in Russia ISKCON had their biggest and best temple and when Harikesa blooped he took that temple and a million dollars and in that temple he preached a completely bogus philosophy. As far as I know ISKCON made no serious attempts to get the St. Petersburg temple back. At least not for many years. I do not know what is the situation there now.

There are so many examples of the local ISKCON devotees deciding to take a path different from the one being dictated to them by the GBC and ISKCON just lets them take the temples and follow their so-called deviations. Another example is Colombia in South America.

ISKCON tried to throw out the leader, Paramadvaiti Swami, but the devotees in Colombia decided to keep Paramadvaiti Swami and threw out ISKCON. So now all the ISKCON temples in Colombia belong to his preaching mission Vrinda and according to ISKCON they have deviated. But ISKCON has never tried to get the Colombian temples back Of course they have no money…

So ISKCON is not acting against Madhu Pandit because he is deviating from their philosophy. It has nothing to do with philosophy at all. In reality the GBC knows that if the local devotees are against them and if they want to take over the local temple (which they have built themselves) there is nothing at all that ISKCON can do about it.

Ultimately the temples consist of a group of devotees in a particular place. And the GBC can not force them to surrender. If they want to work under the direction of the GBC voluntarily then the GBC can direct–but if collectively the devotees decide to reject the GBC and follow some other path then there is nothing at all ISKCON or the GBC can do to stop them and they know this very well. ISKCON has a lot of experience with this.

The St. Petersburg devotees decided to reject ISKCON and follow Harikesh, the Colombian devotees decided to reject ISKCON and follow Paramadvati Swami and Singapore and Bangalore decided to reject the GBC and follow Prabhupada and there is nothing at all ISKCON or the GBC can do to stop this.

So why it is that ISKCON is so intent on getting control over the ISKCON Bangalore Group–even though they know it is not possible really unless the temple devotees are on their side? And the temple devotees are not on their side–they are Prabhupada men and ISKCON says “Prabhupada is dead–you need a living guru.” So there is no way they are going to agree with ISKCON / GBC…

Still ISKCON is desperate to get control of the ISKCON Bangalore Group. Why? Because it is rumored they have assets and funds in excess of 3000 crores. This is an unimaginable amount of money. As far as my dull brain can work out that is 30,000 million rupees which is around $650 million dollars US. So well over half a billion dollars.

ISKCON, on the other hand, is very much cash-strapped. They are now desperately hoping that Madhu Pandit will surrender to them under the fear of criminal proceedings because they can not imagine how they will raise the $5 to $10 million dollars they will need to meet Madhu Pandit’s challenge in the Indian Supreme Court. Of course he has very deep pockets but ISKCON has no money actually.

So seeing this more than half a billion dollars in the hands of Madhu Pandit is driving the leaders of ISKCON completely crazy.
Madhu Pandit Prabhu and the devotees of ISKCON Bangalore are very intelligent devotees who are dedicated to Srila Prabhupada. I think there is no one who would disagree with this. On any metric you want take the ISKCON Bangalore Group is very successful in following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada.

They have huge book distribution, prasadam distribution, a wonderful standard of Deity worship, very dynamic preaching programs, very good management, sincere devotees completely dedicated to strictly following the four regulative principles, chanting at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily, rising before four every morning to attend the Mangal Arotik and being fully engaged 24 hours a day in serving Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.

ISKCON, in their money-induced craziness are now openly declaring that they want to see Madhu Pandit and all the ISKCON Bangalore devotees behind bars on criminal charges. This is insanity. This is Vaishnava aparadha on such an unimaginable scale.

And what is ISKCON’s complaint? They claim that Madhu Pandit and the ISKCON Bangalore devotees have embessled money from the ISKCON Bangalore Group for their own personal benefit. Firstly there is an English saying that, “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.” Virtually every ISKCON temple is a center for embellishment where money is collected on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and it is siphoned off by various leaders and others for their own sense gratification.

Every ISKCON temple has a whole batch of leaches clinging onto it and sucking out all the money they can get. And they are criticizing Madhu Pandit for the crime that they are so expert at themselves? It may be a question of atmavan manyate jagat. They may be thinking that “I am taking so much money from ISKCON for my benefit so ISKCON Bangalore has hundreds of millions of dollars so Madhu Pandit must be also taking some of this money for his personal benefit.”

However, from my experience with Madhu Pandit Prabhu and the devotees of ISKCON Bangalore Group they appear to be 100% convinced that the money they are dealing with belongs to Krishna and Srila Prabhupada and they really believe Srila Prabhupada when he says “If you take even one penny of Krishna’s money for your own sense gratification you will go to hell.”

So I don’t think Madhu Pandit or the devotees of the ISKCON Bangalore Group are taking any of Krishna’s money for their own sense gratification. They are simply managing it very expertly on behalf and for the benefit of Krishna and for pushing on the mission of Srila Prabhupada.

ISKCON never achieves anything at all because as soon as there is any money at all it gets sucked off by some leach calling himself a devotee and then there is no money again… If the ISKCON Bangalore devotees were sucking the money out like the ISKCON devotees do routinely in every temple then how could they have expanded their preaching so dramatically as they have over the past five or ten years?

So at least from the information I have I am quite convinced of the genuine nature of Madhu Pandit Prabhu and I am sure his motivation is to serve Srila Prabhupada, to please Srila Prabhupada. He is a very successful businessman and he has attracted a lot of other very intelligent and successful businessmen to join him in the ISKCON Bangalore Group and together they are using their materialistic business and management skills in the service of Krishna.

So there is nothing wrong with being a businessman or a manager if you manage or do business for Krishna. This is what Krishna told Arjuna on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra. Arjuna was a fighter, a ksatriya, his business was to fight. So Krishna engaged Arjuna in fighting. So under Madhu Pandit Prabhu’s expert management he has engaged hundreds of intelligent young men in the service of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and together they are expanding the preaching of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Bangalore group.

As I say I could be wrong, but I can not detect that Madhu Pandit Prabhu or the very sincere group of Prabhupada disciples he has serving in the ISKCON Bangalore Group are in any way motivated by the idea that they will be able to suck money out of the temples for their own sense gratification.

That is the claim that ISKCON is making. Practically they are saying all ISKCON Bangalore devotees are criminals stealing Krishna’s money. But I think there is nothing further from the truth. As I said before it is very dangerous for people in glass houses to throw stones.
So in conclusion this is not a philosophical disagreement at all.

There have been many such philosophical disagreements in the past in ISKCON and ISKCON has generally just let the disagreeing party have the temple and go on with their service in the way they want to serve. Of course in the past none of these temples had any money at all really.

But the ISKCON Bangalore Group has assets of over half a billion dollars. And ISKCON has nothing. So they are envious of the success of the ISKCON Bangalore Group. And if they get control of ISKCON Bangalore they will just suck out the money like big, big leaches and kill the project like they have done to Prabhupada’s temples all over the world.

ISKCON is very expert in turning pure gold into worthless sand. Prabhupada gave the pure gold and now just a few decades later ISKCON only has a hand-full of sand… Obviously Madhu Pandit does not want ISKCON to turn the gold in the ISKCON Bangalore Group that he and the devotees have worked so hard to develop into sand…

Madhu Pandit Prabhu as the leader of the ISKCON Bangalore Group has as his duty to protect the temples and the devotees from these leaches who not only want to suck the money out of ISKCON Bangalore but also want to suck out the blood and service from the three hundred plus full time Prabhupada disciples who are pushing on the preaching work of the ISKCON Bangalore Group for Srila Prabhupada.

If ISKCON can take over ISKCON Bangalore they will immediately declare: “Prabhupada is dead. You need a living guru. SURRENDER TO ME!” This will kill the ISKCON Bangalore Group.

So Madhu Pandit is something like a Vedic King and his Kingdom is the ISKCON Bangalore Group and he has to protect it. That is his duty. So a king, a ksatriya in his duty has to engage in so many diplomatic activities and it may not be always possible for him to be strictly 100% truthful.

He has to act in a political way to achieve his objectives. If one looks hard enough at anyone he can find some imperfections. This is the material world. However there is no question whatsoever Madhu Pandit Prabhu and the Prabhupada disciples of the ISKCON Bangalore Group are working together very nicely with central point being Srila Prabhupada. They are Vaisnavas, they are devotees–even if ISKCON may have some disagreement with them they must respect them as Vaisnavas, as devotees. Otherwise they will have to suffer greatly for this severe Vaishnava aparadha.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Comments

  1. Iskcon has become like Duryodhan, asura, gbc = godless bunch of crooks. The info presented should be acquired to Madhu pundit ref; Colombia temple, St Petersburg, Singapore, this info can be in future used as a proof against asura.

  2. srikanth says:

    We are all one tree, why are we fighting this is my branch this is my branch….. please serve the real purpose of the tree by giving shade to mankind and gathering them under the protection of the lord…… pls don’t let Srila Prabhupada down. We should not forget his greatest contribution to us all……mumbai or bangalore or anybody, We can wake a person who is sleeping but cannot wake a person is acting like sleeping…. know your position and fear god. Lord Krishna is all powerful…. Lord waits for long but strikes at Last…. Thank You… Jai Prabhupada…..

  3. Govind Dasa says:

    What Iskcon Bangalore is asking for is very reasonable. They are ready to surrender all the property to GBC, provided they are allowed to accept Srila Prabhuapada as Spiritual master. Is it crime in Iskcon to accept Srila Prabhupada as Spiritual master. Devotees accepting Srila Prabhupada as Diksha Guru are subjected to various kinds of harassments and humiliations within Iskcon.

    This is very unreasonable. The devotee community across all iskcon centers should raise their voice against this present system of GBC and give opportunity to all Iskcon Bangalore devotees to come in to the main stream even thought they have accepted Srila Prabhupada as Diksha guru.

  4. i do not agree this.Iskcon bangalore is playing a very
    dirty game.They do not want to abide any rule.They just want to cheat the public in the name of iskcon.Please note that only one iskcon is existing the world & all are abiding and following the rules laid down by prabhupada guruji.Iskcon mumbai is the head quater of indian operation of iskcon & its Bangalore division should work under iskcon mumbai.This is just an allegation created by ISKCON
    Bangalore that they are only following Srila Prabhupada as spiritual leader & not others.
    It is the high time for ISKCON Bangaore to put down ego & get united & work together with ISKCON
    Mumbai & let ISKCON grow as a big spiritual organisation day by day as truly ONE.This is what we
    can give back as a return gift to Srila Prabhupadha for his great effort.

  5. abhaya carana seva das says:

    pamho agtACBSP,

    what GBC you are talking about? They make Prabhupada’s movement to be a laughing stock without spiritual influence. 41 fallen ISKCON gurus, 104 fallen sannyasis and still they say, “genuine spiritual masters”. This is not on behalf of SRILA PRABHUPADA.

    As pointed out many times, why they attack Iskcon Bangalore temple because out of greediness, about the lakshmi which is property of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA. It is not their lakshmi, it is not their money.

    All these so called GBCs who are against Prabhupada centered Iskcon Bangalore temple are de facto opposing SRILA PRABHUPADA. Therefore they finally will lose as Duryodhana with all his warriors lost the battle in Kuruksetra – no doubts about that.

    In sum it is better they surrender by making peace with Iskcon Bangalore temple because otherwise they’ll have SRI GAURANGA and SRILA PRABHUPADA as enemies. Please realize, the only bonafide Vaikuntha embassy in Iskcon is, Iskcon Bangalore!

    ys

    haribol

  6. All devotees of ISKCON are the real followers of Shrila Prabhupada & every
    one is following his principles with utmost respect .There is no second thought
    about it. If someone have any doubt on this issue ,it needs to be settled internally
    & not to make any scene of a open war.ISKCON is the result of the hard work & sincere
    dedication put together by Srila Prabhupada & the said organization should not
    be destroyed by such petty issues. It is imperative for all devotees of Lord Krishna
    to get united & become one & put maximum effort for THE prosperity of ISKCON.
    This is what Guruji Prabhupada is expecting from us. This is the prime responsibility
    of all bonafide followers of him & true devotees of Lord Krishna. Let us try for it. Let his
    soul rest in peace.
    Let every one think from today that what they can do better for ISKCON as a whole.
    Let every one think proudly that they are from one giant ISKCON family.
    HARE KRISHNA

  7. Acchedya das says:

    There are 10000 articles based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings/quotes on this website. In order to discuss which quote of Srila Prabhupada you find defaming present ISKCON management please provide an url / detailed information.
    Best wishes to Hyderabad, please chant Hare Krishna!

  8. yuga_avatar_das says:

    tThis is not about the money,primary concern is to keep the iskcon society pure,we are meant to be followers of the siksa bhagavata parampara.Which entails surrender to the present acharyas and gurus.As a seasoned south pacific devotees of iskcon,I have researched madhu pandit,the bandit in detail.He is on serious trouble now,he is being investigated,by the high court now! We do not accept this Ritvik_-proxy sahajiyaism he preaches.We do not care so much about money,because Prabhupada explains he wants his temples,lean and hungry to serve u Krishna!Simply print books,keep devotees serving ,simply our number one priority is to kick these Ritvik -proxy advocates out of iskcon.We want to keep the line pure!…..These people blaspheme sincere devotees regularly,they do not know whom actually built iskcon,it was Srila Prabhupadas personally initiated….even those whom felldown,and my generation whom are there disciples.Get rid of these cheaters Krishna please!

  9. Krishnapriya devi dasi says:

    Somewhere along the trial the GBC turned Ritvik into a filthy word. The Founder Acarya of the posthumous ritvik initiation system was none other than Srila Prabhupada himself.

    Read the May 28th conversation transcript and hear it straight from Prabhupada. He also set a zonal system for initiations. They called this the Zonal Acarya System which was bogus because it was the Ritvik DEPUTY Acarya zonal system. Deputy not the actual Acarya.

    Srila Prabhupada told his Godbrother Puri Maharaja that he DID NOT make any Gurus. He said to him that he made 11 ritviks. Video is on Youtube of Puri Maharaja giving this account.
    For one to have disciples one must be a liberated soul an Uttama Adhikari, Mahabhagawat. Additional requirement, order of previous acarya. Conditioned soul has no potency to deliver one to Krsna. Therefore 41 fallen ISKCON gurus.
    The GBC has been in collusion with the forces of illusion since 1978.

    Police is thoroughly investigating the alleged accusations against ISKCON Bangalore. So far they only find 1,3 mio plates of prasadam distributed to school children every day.

    Maybe some day we will see an indictment against Radhanath Swami and others for the assassination of Sulochan. We can only hope that Tirtha has an epiphany and does the honest thing and speaks up.

    There are a bunch of unsolved murders of devotees.
    Everyone should read Monkey on a Stick and see what happens when rascals pretend to be Acaryas.

    Tamal was saying things that Prabhupada did not appoint any diksha-gurus but ritviks only.
    Wake up and stick with Srila Prabhupada!

  10. Kannan Iyer says:

    Yuga avatar das is one of the victims of GBC. He is made blind by GBC. So he speaks the same nonsense that GBC speaks.

    It is a known fact that Srila Prabhupada never appointed Gurus. Everyone knows this. The 11 ritviks knew this, GBC also knows this. On one hand some of GBC members accept this; and on the other hand they themselves still continue to act as Gurus. AND they also want to clean ISKCON. This is the height of cheating!!!

    And innocent devotees like Yuga avatar das get into the vicious cycle and do not understand these simple facts.

    If you want to get cheated, Krishna will send the cheaters. We can see this truth today.

    Hari Bol.

  11. Fredrick Nelson says:

    May I remind your readers that Yuga Avatar is more than a victim ! He has been claimed as a perpetrator who has refused to respond to the lady(Brahmacharini) who has claimed he groped and fondled her in front of the Deities in New Zealand.
    Until he addresses this serious concern you might not wish to give his commentary any serious consideration.

    Fredrick Nelson (Australasian Victims Of Religious Abuse And Assault)

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