[PADA: Rather amazing! Since 1977 the GBC and their cheer leaders like Nrsimhananda das have been promoting several hundred people like Radhanatha swami as their messiahs aka “ISKCON gurus,” but here we find clear evidence — that the members of ISKCON — like the GBC and Nrsimhananda — are not even reading their “gurus” books and web sites to see if their gurus are acting properly? And when these sleepy time folks actually read the web sites of their gurus, they find there is deviation. So the GBC and Nrsimhananda das are promoting deviated people as their messiahs — by their own admission — without even doing the basic homework to see if their “pure as God” saints are actually qualified to be gurus / acharyas / messiahs? And they only figure out that their gurus are bogus when WE [the outsiders] report these deviations in public and bring it to their attention! Otherwise, their gurus would simply go on deviating unchecked.]
BY: NRSIMHANANDA DAS
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-11/editorials7889.htm
Nov 02, 2011 — LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA, USA (SUN) — Piqued by recent observations about Radhanath’s official website not saying anything about Srila Prabhupada, I thought it prudent to do my own research.
[PADA: Amazing, the GBC and their pillar supporters like Nrsimhananda are promoting all sorts of deviants and even peodphiles as their ISKCON gurus / acharyas / messiahs / and now he is finally going to do some research to see if his gurus are bona fide? Why not investigate your messiahs BEFORE you start promoting them as the sum totals of the demigods? And why are you only “piqued” into action because of us outsiders?]
ND: Sure enough, there is not only no picture or biography on the Homepage, but no mention of ISKCON either!
[PADA: Wow! After promoting Radhanatha as their ISKCON guru / messiah and allowing him to take over sectors of ISKCON’s money, life members, properties and disciples, turns out Radhanatha is not even a member of ISKCON, nor is his property in the name of ISKCON? Nor does he even mention ISKCON, but he is the messiah of ISKCON? And Nrsimhananda is just now figuring this out after being asleep since 1977?]
ND: You have to go into the archive pages and read the voluminous text to find buried references to Srila Prabhupada (7) and ISKCON (1). Of those seven mentions of Srila Prabhupada, 2 are indicating that another devotee present at some event was a Prabhupada disciple. You would never know from a light reading that Radhanath Swami was a disciple of Srila Prabhupada or has anything to do with the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. The “About” Radhanath Swami page, however, does mention two saintly people from whom he took association:
“A spiritual stimulator” maintains that those who become aware of their spiritual identity share an imperative to reduce suffering in the world – employing all means at hand and stopping at nothing to do so. This truth was slowly revealed to him by teachers he had met including the Dalai Lama and Mother Teresa.”
Hello? Who? No mention of Prabhupada?!?! See for yourself.
[PADA: Why didn’t you and the GBC “see for yourselves” before you began promoting him as one of your messiahs?]
ND: Gosh, I thought that Srila Prabhupada was very insistent that his name be present on all ISKCON communications as the “Founder-Acarya, International Society for Krishna Consciousness.” In the 1972 MacMillan Bhagavad-gita, the added honorarium, “… and greatest exponent in the western world of Krsna Consciousness” was personally approved by him, (unfortunately, edited out of the revised edition).
[PADA: OK, so you are allowing these people to write their own books which do not even mention Prabhupada, and to promote these bogus books in ISKCON, and you are allowing these people to change Prabhupada’s books, erasing credit due to him. Why has Nrsimhananada allowed all this to take place for the past 35 years without joining us to protest?]
ND: There are numerous stories of Srila Prabhupada becoming angry that his name and title were not present or properly displayed on various literatures, signs, etc. Perhaps readers can share some of those pastimes.
I decided to check out the “official” websites of a few of my other guru-godbrothers. I was certain that they would not exhibit the same consciousness. I was expecting to see Srila Prabhupada glorified with great fanfare, gratitude, photos, etc. I was stunned by the fact that Srila Prabhupada was either omitted or “barely mentioned” in most of the ones that I perused.
[PADA: OK so there is a pattern here, your gurus are minimizing Srila Prabhupada, which we told you all about that 35 years ago, why has it taken you so long to catch on?]
ND: I can’t give statistics because I only had time to do a small sampling. I was disappointed not just from a disciple’s point of view, but from a resignation that Srila Prabhupada’s immense influence and kripa were going unheralded by our godbrothers’ disciples.
[PADA: Right, they are creating their own personality cults and erasing credit which should go to the founder acharya Srila Prabhupada, that is what we said all along.]
ND: My understanding is that we are all nothing compared to him, and without him, we’d all be confused, bewildered seekers – at best. Prabhupada isn’t just “another” acarya, and his books are the “lawbooks for the next ten thousand years.” Yes? His books are the ones that will endure – at least, are supposed to. We are pebbles that disappear in the ocean; he is that ocean of mercy who will remain. How is it that there are not prominent detailed introductions to His Divine Grace on each and every one of these “official” websites?
[PADA: Because people like you are compromised with these guru frauds and you allow them to prosper while cutting down those of us who want to give credit to Srila Prabhupada.]
ND: In all fairness, Radhanath Swami may be unaware of how his editors have shaped his “official” website.
[PADA: Radhanatha wrote his own books, he is certainly aware of what he himself wrote.]
ND: A Prabhupada disciple’s knee-jerk reaction may be to blame the guru, but the problem may or may not be with him. Disciples, after all, are surrendered to their gurus, not Srila Prabhupada. Perhaps they don’t understand the difference between someone like him and their own guru.
[PADA: People are in ignorance because they are trained that way, and Nrsimhananda is one of the people keeping people in ignorance by promoting the people creating the ignorance.]
ND: We just need to do some compassionate education about how their guru would be pleased by the glorification of Srila Prabhupada even more than that of themselves. Some of you may say that I am wishfully thinking, but, really, it’s the most effective way to influence. No good will come from berating these servants of the servants just because they don’t understand that their guru only has stature because he is standing on Srila Prabhupada’s shoulders.
[PADA: “No good” will come from promoting Srila Prabhupada as the guru and berating his bogus guru imitators? This is like saying — no good will come from keeping counterfeit money out of circulation?]
ND: Prabhupada alone can keep us all – including the 75+ ISKCON gurus and those who left ISKCON – from drowning. I would be interested if others would take up the task and looking at some of the “official” websites of the ISKCON (and non-ISKCON) gurus and give some critique. We can read some of the reports here on the Sun; I doubt other websites would entertain such an open discussion. Many ISKCON and other “authorities” sneak a peak anyway. If we analyze with constructive criticism rather than guru bashing, I think that we can send messages that can help promote the understanding of Srila Prabhupada’s position relative to ours (theirs). The research can only benefit everyone by shining lights on these websites that have, for the most part, avoided inspection since they generally are only read by the disciples of the respective gurus.
YS, Nrsimhananda das
P.S. I only looked at a handful of sites. I’m desperately sure that many of my godbrothers’ disciples did Prabhupada’s position justice.
[PADA: Wow, he is just now looking at a handful of websites of the people he has been promoting as his and ISKCON’s messiahs for the past 35 years, and just now he is figuring out what they are saying is bogus. Sheesh! Well 35 years later, at least he is doing some looking finally, better late than never. ys pd]
Nrsimhananda defeated: http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/Reply_ITV.htm
I remember making my first trip to Europe about six years ago and remarking that, ” Srila Prabhupada is the only Acarya for ISKCON”.
The response was, ” you are just trying to promote your Guru over all the others in ISKCON”.
I think in that same time frame someone mentioned, ” future karma”. Blaspheme now and get nailed later.
One of the disciples of an unnamed Guru actually told me that animals can get karma !!
I asked him, “who told you that?” , “My Guru”, he replied.
I guess my point is that, Yes, there are bogus gurus and they are not all that bright my friend. They know the rap and they promote themselves cause that is where the cash and good times are for them.
Hare Krishna
pamho agtACBSP
Prabhupada: “This is parampara system. You cannot jump over. You must go through the parampara system. You have to approach through your spiritual master to the Gosvamis, and through the Gosvamis you will have to approach Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and through Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu you have to approach Krsna. This is the way.
Therefore Narottama dasa Thakura said, ei chay gosai jar—tar mui das. We are servant of servant. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s instruction, gopi-bhartuh pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasah. The more you become servant of the servant, the more you are perfect.
And if you all of a sudden want to become master, then you go to hell. That’s all. Don’t do that. This is the teaching of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. If you go through the servant, servant, servant, then you are advanced. And if you think that you have now become master, then you are going to hell. This is the process. Dasa-dasanudasah.
Caitanya Mahaprabhu said. So servant, servant, servant, a hundred times servant now, that means he is advanced. He is advanced. And one who is becoming directly master, then he is in the hell.
So anarpita-carim cirat. So we should always remember the instruction of Srila Rupa Gosvami. Therefore we pray, sri-caitanya-mano-’bhistam sthapitam yena bhu-tale. Our mission is to establish the desire of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.”
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.4
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Mayapur, March 28, 1975
We wish them good luck, they need it…
ys seva das
haribol
Sun needs to check the facts a bit better… Next time, read the webpage before you make a claim about it. Not only were Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON clearly outlined on the about page, they’re also mentioned frequently in the articles as well. I’m just waiting for people to start bugging out once they realize Srila Prabhupada didn’t mention Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura by name in every purport.
Why would anyone “‘bug out’ once they realize…” Srila Prabhupada didn’t have to. Srila Prabhupada was translating the different Sastras, and was giving His purports (which He explained were being dictated to Him by Krsna). Srila Prabhupada made it so very clear for the devotees His LOVE for His Guru Maharaj, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupada, and Srila Prabhupada’s every service was done in glorification of His Guru Maharaj, and based on the direct instruction He received from His Guru Maharaja in Their lila. Srila Prabhupada didn’t write His Own biography, (what to speak of an illusioned one). Srila Prabhupada was Krsna’s topmost PURE devotee – not a conditioned jiva – and a saktyvesha (Nityanandavesha) avatar, specifically empowered to bring Krsna consciousness all over the planet as per Lord Caitanya’s expressed desires: pritivite ache yata nagaradi grama, sarvatra pracara haibe mora nama. Srila Prabhupada also started His Own society, separate from Gaudiya Math, and was not parasiting off of Gaudiya Math or His Guru Maharaja’s glory, nor minimizing His Guru Maharaja as so many of these people do; minimizing Srila Prabhupada and parasiting off of His ISKCON, living high on the hog with money that they use for their own self(ish)-aggrandizement which should be going to Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada besides everything else He knew, certainly knew nitti, which obviously these others do NOT; that statement applicable to so many of the WRONG things they are doing which are out and out offensive to our Guru Varga, Srila Prabhupada and the devotees. (No need to go into all the details here.)
You call yourself “ill pickles,” and I do understand the context of your use of this name. But using the name you’ve chosen for yourself, one questions the possibility that your (lack) of understanding regarding the application of the Krsna conscious philosophy, indicates that you are “ill” and “pickled” – thus, an “ill pickle” in your lacking of proper understanding of things.
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
Yeah. You basically just helped me prove my point. You won’t see that trying to put people in a box though. Sarcasm really doesn’t travel well over the internet.
I’m definitely ill, been that way my whole life, though I’m not convinced you actually understand the context. I find it funny that you dedicate a paragraph to attempting to defeat me by taking a shot at my character through a sketchy analysis of my name before signing off “your servant.” Really B? C’mon, miss me with that schizophrenia, pick your side. It’s whatever, though. If you feel the need to talk down to someone through internet comments in order to feel better about your own Krishna consciousness, that’s cool… Even though Srila Prabhupada probably wouldn’t be having that.
Dear “ill pickles” – can’t put a capital “I” because it makes all the letters look the same:
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO
First, let me start by apologizing to you, because sometimes what the person writing is intending to say, may be understood differently from the reader; no fault on either person’s part. My apology is not to be taken as sarcastic, but a genuine apology to you.
I had previously seen your reply comment to another person who posted a comment on Jaya Madhava prabhu’s article on the Gainesville temple. Without giving details, I’m aware of things regarding Gainesville temple that Srila Prabhupada would not be happy with. I’m also aware of a lot of things regarding Radhanath which aren’t “kosher” as well as deviant things in present-day ISKCON, which came about directly because of a deviant GBC other leadership and “prominent” devotees in general, and the specific deviations of so many of ISKCON’s “prominent” people. When you posted that specific comment under the name “ill pickles” and then this one, my misunderstanding (if it was this) of the use of the words “ill pickles” was that it was being used to call people to whom you were directing your replies to “ill pickles.” Why? Because for all these years within ISKCON, since its usurping – which includes the so many varieties of offenses against Srila Prabhupada and the aspiring devotees who were seriously dedicating their lives to the service of Krsna’s pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada – whenever anyone comes forth (even using a most peaceful approach) to address legitimate issues, the GBC has resorted to all kinds of means to “get rid” of these devotees. This includes character assassination, kicking the person out of ISKCON, even having them beaten up and/or killed (by other devotees). May I note here that Radhanath directly convinced some devotees to go to murder Sulochan, and to this day, lies directly against one of the devotees who he convinced to take part in this murder. Radhanath will NOT OWN UP to what he did, nor is he as pure as he likes to make people think he is. (I certainly hope he will become a pure devotee one day, and I hope that all of us will, my including myself in this statement.) Radhanath has done things to violate his sannyas vows. But murder and breaking principles to the side, Radhanath in writing his autobiography, and NOT giving credit to THE PERSON, Srila Prabhupada, His GURU MAHARAJ, Who has given him THE TICKET for development of Krsna Prema, and instead tries to focus all attention on himself – his “getting to where he got” by his dishonesty, deviousness, manipulations as well as his (mis)using Srila Prabhupada, and ISKCON assets.
Generally the devotees who speak up to legitimately question (even in very humble mood) deviations on the part of these “elite” ISKCON people are labeled “aparadhis,” “ill pickles” (in the various words used in this regard), “offensive,” and the like.
So it was my misunderstanding that in your using the name “ill pickles” and the comments you wrote, you were referring to other people posting comment as being the “ill pickles.”
My “turning the name back,” was in the context that there are many of us who are not understanding the basics of the Krsna consciousness philosophy. A genuine disciple KNOWS that hir Guru Maharaj is their savior, and if such a disciple was to write their own biography, they would MAKE SURE to give FULL credit and glorification to their Guru Maharaj in this regard. That Radhanath has NOT done so, is proof in and of itself proof that something is VERY SPIRITUALLY WRONG, and there are the other considerations involved as well. If someone really knows Radhanath they will see past his act…
Please forgive me if I have hurt you in any way, because there really was no intention to do so on my part. I’ve seen the harm that people like Radhanath have done to Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON itself, how they have misrepresented Srila Prabhupada, and how because of their own materialistic desires for money, name, position and power, and their false egos, they have HURT the lives of SO MANY serious devotees.
I hope this has helped to clear up what I meant.
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
Yes, I do indeed use this name in reference to myself. It’s no need to apologize, I wasn’t personally offended in any way. I was merely responding to the elements of your response that I considered to be relevant to my comment. Let me also assure you that I am nobody important; I have absolutely no power under my minute sphere of influence to displace anyone or otherwise. I’m just a random guy who happened to come across this article and felt like expressing my opinion.
Gainesville was not the original focus of this comment; that was another story altogether. I would be inclined to discuss it, but this isn’t the place.
Radhanath Maharaj was the subject of the greater topic at hand. I’m not here to discuss him or his actions. You can talk about murder and everything people like to talk about, I understand, people have fun talking about that sort of thing. I’m just talking about poor journalism. The original article makes the claim that Radhanath Maharaj’s website makes no reference to Srila Prabhupada or ISKCON before linking to the about page to show proof… Where one can fins references to both. Then this article, while disparaging in tone, essentially agrees with the other, rendering both useless due to being based upon an axiom which holds no truth in reality.
Basically, people like to say Radhanath Maharaj doesn’t give credit to Srila Prabhupada. He actually does. Not with every sentence, but that’s where my point about Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura came from; although his influence is always notably present, it’s not relevant to reference the spiritual master in every given sentence of any given discourse.
Nov, seems to be suffering from the prime delusion; that the isaconco unauthorized gurus are real. They are just nonsenses from square one, as they pretend to be Krsna conscious, when in reality, what they ARE, is precocious Jesuses deviating endlessly in a phony disciplic succession of guru murderers, so no surprise if they murder the sastra and the truth while they’re at it. I also visit these pages of theirs sometimes, and they are consistent, and it is always the same; self-promotion, lipservice only to Srila Prabhupada but they ignore all his instructions, phony humility, but meanwhile they are as good as God, and promote the big CIA-managed con games. Dont make me laugh, or possibly puke or cry.
Kudos to Seva Dasa maharajah, who always speaks wisely and also from sastra.
Dear PADA; I resent you always acting as judge and juror of the devotees, like an avatara of Yamaraja. You consistently exxagerate, lie, make false accusations indiscriminately, and act as if YOU are the Guru! You did not answer my straight question; are you the source of the attacks on Gaudiya succession in b.i.f. or not? If so, please explain your program counselling violence by Siva Sena , VHP or etc?