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Bhajahari Das: Please sign this Petition to help protect the Devotees in Hungary
13. December 2011 by 10 Comments
According to this video, Prabhupadanugas also need to be protected from devotees in Hungary !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuoLIssetKo
That is correct, the Prabhupada devotees are treated terribly by Sivarama’s crew over there. They want to beat us up, then then complain they are being beaten up? Isn’t this called karma? Hee hee. ys pd
It were the Austrian devotees who built up the Hungarian yatra in the 80ies with lots of laxmi/hard work when it was still a communist regime. Then in 1998 all ISKCON temples in Austria were closed (Harikes tragedy), this is since 13 years.
But did the Hungarian yatra (600 devotees), Sivarama Swami, made any effort to again get things started in Austria? Nothing, zero. Ok, they go there to collect because Austrians are generous. Now they make huge propaganda asking for help as if they are the only ones who deserves it…
Actually, before anyone should sign such petition they should look at the big picture. A Hungarian devotee recently wrote this article that ask`s some fundamental questions on Sivarama`s projects and its legal status. See the article here;
http://prabhupadavision.com/2011/12/hskcon/
If in fact sivarama`s projects are not legally ISKCON projects, but are registered under some other name, than he should not be given any kind of support whatsoever. He should be on his own!!!!
Bhajahari pr surely considered what is said above. Meanwhile the non-Vaishnavas are fully aware about the splitting up in multiple competing mini mission of the former united Sankirtan movement. As you notice the non-Vaishnava intellectuals keep silent about this development.
Their approach is rather the conditioned soul way of seeing things and to make plans how to have Vaishnavism altogether removed from the West.
At this point we have to rise above campism as only thing that matters. If Vaishnava way of living is more and more restricted or turned into a total ban, at this point we have to reconsider our grudge against other Vaishnava groups and somewhat stick together to not run into total defeat what was Prabhupada’s initial vision of a global non-sectarian Sankirtan movement of chanting the Holy Name of God.
Why didn’t Bhajahari start a petition to stop all the Prabhupada devotees from being kicked out of ISKCON? Then — we would have had a strong international alliance that could deal with these international crises issues better. Right now, ISKCON could not apply international pressure on a peanut. Its not taken as a serious operation, so its a possible target for discrimination, and hardly anything can be done. Meanwhile the GBC is spending $4,000,000 suing us in India, thats their priority, they are not spending money to save temples, they want to ruin more temples. ys pd
Bhaktin Clara,one who disobeys the order of the spiritual master(shivarama s.) is not considered a gentleman and what to speak of Vaishnava.his disciples too are not vaishnavas and as such they should be banned.they are dangerous cult indeed.they pose danger to the society.it is generally considered that it is better to be a materialist than a guru-aparadhi.S. “swami” is a typical guru aparadhi and so are the hordes of dufuses that follow him.there is no reason whatsoever to support them.
Hansadutta prabhu, Madhu Pandit prabhu, Madhudvisa prabhu, Kurma prabhu (not the chef) and many other Prabhupadanugas made a long way round until they realized that Prabhupada is the current link of Krishna’s parampara system.
So we should be magnanimous and kindhearted and not slam a door. Prabhupada would always behave like that that he would welcome back lost sheep. Position himself to reconcile with his godbrothers in case they would change their attitude. We newcomers to Gaudiya-Vaishnavism tend towards judging and condemning others and make a final stroke, rule things off.
But would have Madhu Pandit prabhu joined the Prabhupadanugas if others would have told him you’re a demon by having accepted initiation from Jayapataka Swami? Quite unreasonable.
Therefore all over Europe ex-Iskconites joined Narayana Swami or left the path of bhakti for good, because they felt inexcusably hurt and offended. On the other side we have the materialists who work hard to kick out Vaishnavism in the West and have Prabhupada’s temples to run as Hindu welfare.org for collecting funds.
Turn Lord Chaitanya’s Sankirtan movement for uplifting humanity into a tax payer. So it is required to get the big picture and not get lost with negligibility.
Bhaktin Clara, sure, among those who follow the fake gurus there are many who will change their mind and start following Srila Prabhupada sooner or later, if we persist preaching STRONGLY to them.
Unfortunately, until then, they can only be classified as guru-aparadhis and are therefore asara/useless (and even dangerous) to others. Sure, there may be some exceptions to this but their numbers are negligible.
Just see how many of them are ready to violently attack, sue and disturb those who opt for following Srila Prabhupada. If we take sentimental stance with them they will never change. In the mean time they (both fake gurus and their followers) will continue to drag others to hell.
The whole point of Bhagavad Gita was to teach Arjuna that he should not be sentimental in his pursuance of dharma. We too should not be sentimental (ignorant) in our pursuance of establishing Varnashram dharma.
If there are some Bishmadevas (which I seriously doubt) on their side, even that should not be deterent for us to exectue our duty and philosophically fight them.
It is natural to feel the way you feel Bhaktin Clara (Arjuna felt that way too) about those in Fiskcon but you need to bare in mind that Krsna chastised him for it.
Our indecision cost us so many lives (of innocent devotees), countless children were raped and so many were lost to Maya. We are in war against Maya (material illusion) and Fiskcon is personification of Maya. They stand for everything that is bad, evil, irreligious, degraded and vile.
Our mercy should be extended to the millions of those who are still waiting for Srila Prabhupada’s mercy (in form of his books) and who will never get it unless we win.
Thank you for this effort