In Whose Arms Is Prabhavishnu Now?
Prabhupadavision.com | Angry Mother – Australia: Well sure my heart goes out to all those god-brothers and -sisters of mine who still hold a candle for Prabhavishnu but I will not think good of him ever again. For years I battled on washing dishes, cleaning nappies and cooking for my husband as he worked his butt off and gave so much of it to Prabhavishnu. How much did we do for him over the years I cannot imagine! How much we went without because guru Maharaja needed money for his service in Katmandu or to build his house in Vṛndāvan or his preaching in Russia when we needed money for our family! How many times did I buy secondhand stuff for us all because gurudev needed more money?
We heard that he is in Thailand somewhere with his girlfriend? What is that all about? His girlfriend who he has yet to drop the big question? Who is this woman and how did they meet? How did a sannyasi guru meet a woman, a shop keeper? Did he meet her at a pub or in her shop? Why does it matter? Well it matters to us because he was our guru, a pure devotee who Krishna had sent to us to take us back home to Godhead.
Now he is pillow talking with some woman who we don’t know whether she is a devotee or not? It matters because I know some of my godsisters who refuse to accept that he is less than a pure devotee and they still do puja to him and offer bhog to him, of course it matters! I am sure she is not a devotee so how is this possible I want to understand. Please tell me my dear god sisters how can you still think he is a pure devotee?
When we got married we had to ‘associate’ for six months under the hawk eyes of the Temple President along with the rest of the Temple! But he can sneak around and have a girlfriend who has no idea he wants to marry her? How is it he can do as he pleases and we couldn’t???? Why is he allowed to do what he wants without the constraints of the regulative principle of illicit sex? Who are his authorities now?
How different is he now to us? We are both initiated devotees of ISKCON and he a guru and sannyasi was with a karmi woman? To think we have been teaching our children to worship him for all these years and for him to be their guru?!? What do you have to say for this now my god sisters and brothers? Ramai Swami? Devamrita Swami! What do you say to my children? Well I will never let you near my children!!!
Oh please give us a break will you if you think that he is as pure as the driven snow! We heard about his visiting prostitutes way back and we refused to believe it then but we now know we were the ones who were ripped off by him and the GBCs! So please spare me the agony of listening to you bleat on about how he is still a pure devotee who is enjoying some līlā with his Thai gopi girlfriend.
You may say okay mataji calm down don’t be offensive! But will you give me back all those years and all that we sacrificed for him? Okay I am angry and will deal with it I have to for my kids and my husband’s sake but I am angry and you have no right to say to me to calm down. I will calm down but in my time and my way.
I want to say to all the bhaktas and bhaktins out there to stop listening to any of the disciples of these gurus, like my husband and I were they are all in some stupid illusion that a mundane guru is a pure devotee.
Nothing they say is true and they are all full of it. I know I am not committing an offence because our gurudev is a pervert and they all said he was a freaking pure devotee! We said he was a pure devotee! How can you believe the disciples?
To tell you the truth why should you listen at all to any GBC or Temple authority? They all knew about Prabhavishnu and covered it up for years! They are as bad as he is. I can tell you, don’t on any terms support the GBC or Temple President until they get honest with us and stop lying all the time.
Do not give any money to any guru under any circumstances. Take shelter of Prabhupāda and no one else as these people will rip you off like Paul Barrow did us.
You know Prabhavishnu was our savior after our whole yatra was destroyed by the poofter Bhavananda who was exposed and now look what happened both the bona fide spiritual masters that ISKCON offered us are now exposed as being sexually deviant. What do we expect to follow as the GBC and gurus make plans for our spiritual future? To hell with them!
Sorry to see your plight; another generation totally abused. The Gaybc’s are the poison sampradaya.
Please accept my respects! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Praying for your emotional recovery Mataji and you are perfectly situated by taking total shelter of Srila Prabhupada! He is our saviour and true Master!
ys Suvarna
you are right thank you
I agree. don’t give any money to anyone. Serve Srila Prabhupada only. All the GBCs are crooks and criminals and be careful of all groups that may be connected with these GBC criminals, like the BEV and so on. They all have links to child molesters and their supporters and people who cover-up for all these criminals.
Srimukunda, please correct me if I’m wrong, but you are the Srimukunda who is an office bearer of the Hare Krishna Society (HKS), yes?
That being the case, I ask the question, why does the HKS still – after so many years – carry on their homepage an editorial DENOUNCING my exposé of BEV and it’s henchman Tattva Darsha das? …
http://www.krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com/bev.html
My exposé can be seen on the Sampradaya Sun here …
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-10/editorials5715.htm
This exposé details the nasty truth behind BEV, described in your comment as “links to child molesters and their supporters and people who cover-up for all these criminals”, and the HKS look like a fanatic cult by DENOUNCING this exposé of Tattva Darshan.
If you’re an HKS office-bearer, please do something about this HKS hypocrisy. Yasodanandana & Damaghosa wont listen. Why? Are they in bed with Tattva Darshan? That’s the GBC all over again!
over past five years the iskcon child protection office and the australian leaders have refused to accept but rather lost all police and court findings on a sexual offender which were personally delivered to them, to this date they have not addressed situation, there were at least six known children involved, offender was charged, arrested and jailed but leaders decided to bail him and take back to bris temple as pujari and protested his innocence??? aniruddha recently made comment in adelaide advertiser..
Hare Krishna
I am not an office bearer of the HKS. I have resigned due to the connection between HKS and Tattva Darshana. As soon I discovered that members of HKS were working with Tattva Darshana I immediately resigned. I do not work with devotees who support child molesters.
YS
Sri Mukunda dasa
I am shocked to read Yasodanandana’s article on the HKS webpage, and did not know it was there. That is exactly why I resigned. Their defense of this child molester is ridiculous and I am ashamed and embarrassed to read it. They want to control what devotees think and anyone who does not accept that he is not a criminal sex offender they will attack and defame, just like the GBC does in defense of their child molesters, which he was until recently.
Hare Krishna Mataji
Your text is a true case of eye opener to many devotees of these rascal gurus.
By taking lessons from these truths, many lives can be transformed for good.
Hare Krishna
This is just another sad case of criminal fraud on the part of the ISKCON leaders. Just like they kept the fact that the gurukula children were being sexually molested a secret from the parents in order to keep the tuition money flowing, so they are now pretending to be renounced, celibate monks in order to keep the donation money flowing.
Don’t they have laws against soliciting donations under false pretenses in Australia? This mataji and her husband should start a class-action lawsuit against these rascals. It’s the only thing that’s going to get these ISKCON leaders to change their criminally fraudulent cover-up policies!
no offence intended to the very few people within iskcon leadership that did offer support or help over past 5-6 year
wow………how many fall downs? How many guru? How many more re-initiations???
I took it first from Kirtananda then Bhavanand then Harikesa then Hansadoota then Suhotra then then then…………list continues..
Now Prabhavishnu gone with his girl friend at the age of 60….
Now whom should i take re-initiation?? Who will be my next guru ? Whom should i pay my monthly subscriptions, big dollars donations, my properties and estates? My service like a servant?
Who is next ? All gurus are requested to send your CV’s to become our guru and earn handsome amount of dollars, estates and services….
yours donor and sponsors,
patit guru das ( servant of fallen spiritual masters )
( all disciples of all fallen gurus from kirtananad till now.)
international society for karmi consciousness – ISKCON
Iskcon and Gaudiya Math (IGM) like all institutions after the founder passes away they fracture into something very different from what the founder intended. Large institutions attract fame, wealth and power. Even for Srila Prabhupada it consumed him and although not proven they (his followers) may have even killed him. It is very damming when a father on his death bed talks of being poisoned by his sons what to speak of a Gurudev and his disciples. Srila Prabhupada had a pharmaceutical business he would have been well aware of the symptoms of poisoning. So the very fact that Srila Prabhupada even talks about being poisoned whether physically or metaphorically was very bad news for the future of Iskcon.
But before he left us, a powerful political faction was rising headed by Tamal Krishna Das (Def not a Goswami) He had SP sign a will with Tamal’s list of eleven politcal/factional supporters. This little charade was used to assert they were the chosen ones. All lies and cheating and why? For money, fame, wealth and power.
Iskcon is now fully transformed from a spiritual community headed by a pure devotee into a Religious Institution headed by a group of people hell bent on full-filling their Greed, Lust and Anger (The three door ways to hell)
Each person is now on their own as has always been the case, institutions do nothing more than ruin a wonderful spiritual process and they will steal all of your time from your Hari Bhajan. You cannot get close to a community deity, a serious sadak needs to choose a ishta devata (diety of close personal choice) and worship it daily and get really close it. The internal relationship has to go beyond awe and reverence to develop Krishna Prema, to do this one needs a Sat Guru (Spotless Guru) and its obvious you will not find one of these in any current institutions focused on money, fame, wealth and power and where truth is a scarce commodity.
pamho prabhus agtACBSP,
nature’s law doesn’t excuse ignorance but people still can learn through the gunas of material nature, sattvavalambi para sattva visuddha sattvam (BS.5.41)
When we ask all those who occupied SRILA PRABHUPADA’s movement, why you stepped over SRILA PRABHUPADA, they reply we are following, we are living gurus. But actually they don’t know because they are under the three gunas still.
Therefore this deviant situation keeps going until people become conscious that we are just tools, nimitta matram, of the remote cause and not to people who are still recovering themselves from this material disease by cheating humanity, withholding the spreading of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement.
They know they are just working into their own pockets but they keep going in the wrong direction because that’s their own degraded guno-sanga-sya, they do not want to consider SRILA PRABHUPADA as current link but figure they are the new captains of the ISKCON ship.
The best remedy to get out from this terrible disease, because still they are taking the wrong medication is to give up false ego and to surrender to the final order of SRILA PRABHUPADA.
Only then, through genuine devotion to SRILA PRABHUPADA, people become free from the poisoning effects of lording it over material nature and using Prabhupada’s movement for material gain,
ys
a.c. seva das
haribol
Yes, One must extricate oneself from this dysfunctional family, no matter how painful. like pulling a bad tooth. do it, get it over with, get back to your life. Read and distribute Prabhupada’s books. don’t associate with HK devotees too intimately, they are know to either be child molesters, promoters and defenders of child molesters, fakes, cheaters, poseurs, and downright criminals, murderers, extortionists, thugs, muggers, bullies, and a-holes, and dangerous cult members.
If the hate-filled trash about Prabavishnu Paul Barrow on this and other blogs are anything to go by, it seems to me that intolerance, bigotry and small-mindedness are not confined to Christianity and Islam. You guys are into those negative things in a big way, too. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
By the way, Paul is my cousin.
Dear Prabhavisnu Das (AKA Mr Paul Barrow)
My name is *******, my former name was ****** (given to me by my mother ******** Devi Dasi) and I was then initiated by Indradyumna Swami (Brian Tibbitts, American) who gave me the name ********** in 2000.
I prefer to be called ********.
I am writing this letter to you with a lot of sadness and anger in my heart and I honestly do not know where to begin.
You were my mother’s initiating guru from 1988- 2002. I have no doubt that you remember my family. We lived in ******** and attended the temple there. My stepfather was *********. My mother worked very hard for the temple, collecting lots of money over the years, donating her own money to the temple and also engaging in deity worship on a daily basis for many years.
She also gave you money in the form of ‘dakshin’ over the years.
I have ****** siblings in total, but only one of them remains in ISKCON. That is my sister **********, a disciple of ********* Swami. She lives at ISKCON ********** and does deity worship there.
Because you were my mother’s guru, you were very much entangled in mine and my sister’s lives. My mother’s one and only goal was to serve and impress you. She followed your instructions implicitly and often to our detriment.
I recently heard of your ‘fall from grace’. The rumours about you breaking your vows as a sanyasi had been going around for many years and I personally know that you denied that these rumours were true. It turns out that you were lying and that there was truth to the rumours- you were engaging in sexual relations with women.
It was very devious and deceitful of you to maintain this double life of outwardly demonstrating the demeanour of a ‘holy man’ while secretly carrying out acts that are forbidden to those in the sannyas ashram.
Your ‘holy’ façade gave you standing in ISKCON that enforced a certain standard of behaviour in others. In particular, because of your presenting yourself as an ISKCON sanyasi in good standing, this meant that all ISKCON devotees were required to;
Offer obeisances to you when you entered the area
Feel obliged to give you money/donations
Give you certain priorities (offer you the ghee lamp first, serve you Prasad first etc)
Obey your instructions (especially if they were your disciples)
Anyone who did any of the above was in fact doing this based on your fraudulent misrepresentation. You knew something that they didn’t- that you were not worthy of such service and respect. Yet you continued to falsely misrepresent yourself to others and take their money, service and respect.
In other words, you were tricking them into giving you things that you had no right to receive from them, that you had no right to make them feel obliged to give.
That is a misuse of power. It could also be called undue influence. Other devotees and congregational members had no real bargaining position as they were presented with a false exterior that you duped them into believing was true and real. You had a position of power- not only as a member of the GBC or as an ISKCON sanyasi but also because you knew the truth about yourself and you knew that you were not adhering to the four regulative principles that you expected of your disciples. You also knew that you were breaking your vows of celibacy.
In short, you were taking from people by exerting undue influence over them. Even when questioned by concerned devotees who heard rumours, you lied. This could be considered aggravated undue influence, as these people raised concerns and you gave them directly false information in your persistent denials of the rumours about your breaking of the vow of celibacy.
My childhood
My sister and I were abused (physically, emotionally and mentally) for years by ********. He used YOUR instructions and classes as guidelines for placing so many restrictions on us and making our lives utterly miserable. My sister ******** was also sexually assaulted (when she was almost 12 years old) by a Bengali ‘bramachari’ in ********* ISKCON in 1991/2 when your disciple ********** Das was the temple president of the ******** Temple. The person who assaulted my sister was a sponsored migrant, brought into the country by ISKCON on a Religious Worker Visa. Neither you nor any other ISKCON management;
Reported the illegal conduct of this sponsored migrant to the police.
Reported the illegal conduct of this sponsored migrant to the Department of Immigration.
Offered counselling to my sister or my family.
Attempted to penalize this sponsored migrant in any way within ISKCON’s internal means.
In fact, ********** Das, your disciple and temple president at the time’s instructions to my family were; that they should not go to the police. You were my mother’s guru and the GBC person in charge of the ********** zone and you didn’t even take care of my family when this crime was committed against a child. As a religious minister and guru and manager of the organization that was;
responsible for this sponsored migrant
Inducing my family to donate time and money to
you owed a duty of care to my family.
We didn’t hear from you ONCE on this matter. We were only told by your disciple ******** Das that is was your wish that my mother not go to the police. Of course she had to obey this wish as you were her Guru. And you knew this very well. Thus you induced my mother to not take the proper course of action that the situation required. Both legally, and for my family’s well-being.
My mother gave you literally THOUSANDS of dollars. This was my family’s money and I do not believe you were entitled to any of it as you were inducing my mother to give you money using your powerful position over her. In relation to what I have said thus far I request answers to the following questions;
What did you do with the money my mother gave you?
Why didn’t you report the individual who assaulted my sister?
Why didn’t you ensure that my family was ok, that my sister was ok after what had happened to her. My mother was your disciple and a volunteer worker in a temple that you were in charge of overseeing!
I also demand that you do something to repair the injury and suffering that my sister endured both at the hands of the man who assaulted her, and by your own failure to carry out your duty of care as the local GBC and report the conduct of this man.
This is just one of the huge sufferings we endured as children in a ‘zone’ you were in charge of.
As children, my sister and I were instructed to steal flowers from people’s gardens, and fruits and vegetables from roadside stalls under the BIG LIE “Its for Krishna, its ok”. What a huge lie. Where is the integrity, the purity? Where were YOU in all of this? Why weren’t you fulfilling your duty of care? I want an answer to this and the above three questions.
Your recent revelation and apology
You have recently revealed the truth about yourself- but only after being caught out. I personally believe that if you are really sorry, you should return all the money that you induced people to give you. You lied and misrepresented yourself to everyone. People relied upon your fraudulent misrepresentation when they gave you money, which means they were unduly influenced by you.
Do you know how hurt people are by your actions? How you have damaged their faith?
Sanyasi means renounced lifestyle, yet you lived a better, more opulent life then my family! Traveling the world and being served and pampered. How dare you induce my mother to give you our money! My brothers and sisters and I lived such a poor lifestyle. We wore ratty worn out shoes and clothes with holes in them so you could maintain your luxury lifestyle. We never travelled the world. My mother had no money left due between what she gave you and what she donated to the temple for flowers, deities clothing. Not to mention the time she gave. How could she work and earn money to give us a good life when you were encouraging her to do more and more service? How could she disobey her Guru- you KNEW this. You KNEW that you had a position of power over her and you used it to influence her, even though it was to her detriment.
When I was 15 years old, my mother sent me on a bus in *********’s 45 degree heat so you could have a “clean room and a jug of water”. We used our family’s money to buy flowers for your garlands. I’m sure you can sit there as you read this and completely justify it by saying “it was her choice”. It very well may have been, but NOT ONCE did you say NO or REFUSE her or anyone else’ donations. You could clearly see that she had a family of ******** children. I will re-state that you used your power as a ‘religious guide/minister’ to influence her choices and actions- and not in her best interests. In fact, I think our family’s best interests were the last thing you cared about.
EVERY single day my mother got up at 2:30am to get to the temple to do service requested by you. NOT ONCE did you care that she had babies (at one point one was just a few weeks old) nor did you discourage this kind of service. You treated her and acted like it was owed to you.
Mine and my sister’s teenage years were depressing, miserable and unrealistic. All because my mother wanted to please you and her husband used YOUR instructions for his own agenda. We were removed from public school, had NO friends, and never went anywhere “in the sinful material world” (Unlike you).
I tried to commit suicide twice. Both times before I was 14 years old and I spent time in hospital both times as an ambulance was called to revive me as my mother and sister tried and tried but couldn’t succeed. I couldn’t bear the impact on my family of what happened to my sister at the hands of a migrant sponsored by an organization you were in charge of. I couldn’t bear being taken out of school and being forced to live a life that you convinced my mother was best for us.
All that my mother cared about my suicide attempts were “I hope Guru Maharaja” (that would mean YOU) doesn’t find out”. She was so afraid to disappoint you. And I believe that you knew this. You would ban those who didn’t please you, or who spoke out. You wielded power over people and exploited them. You used your role as a religious guide to benefit anyone but the people you were taking service and money from.
What you asked of my family
Sending your dirty laundry home with my mother for me and my sister to wash, dry and iron, as well as have us cleaning your room???? Not only is that TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE, but who the hell do you think you are? I feel so angry that you were dictating and instructing (basically playing God) with people’s lives and yet you yourself didn’t even follow your own rules!
That is very devious, deceptive and dishonest. And again, evidence of undue influence and fraudulent misrepresentation. Upon which my family relied when donating time and money both to you and the temple.
1999, my entire family moved to ***********, under your instructions. We sold just about EVERYTHING to move there. We didn’t know anyone from or anything about the place, we were not offered any money or support in any way whatsoever to re-locate, which, trust me, is NOT easy when you have a family of ***********.
The mess your instructions and presence caused in mine and my sister’s life is a heavy burden to carry. I no longer have a relationship with my mother. I am no longer an ISKCON devotee. I believe in God, but never again will I step foot in an ISKCON temple. I have suffered much at the hands of ISKCON and its pseudo- gurus. You are one of the weakest men I have ever met and you have wreaked absolute havoc and pain on my entire life.
My current situation
My medical costs are $12,000 per year and most of my health conditions are actually the result of neglect and abuse I received at the hands of ISKCON. I am forced to pay for my medical costs. I feel really angry and outraged when the hospital staff where I go for my daily treatment, ask me “The Hare Krishna’s collect money of the streets to support people who can’t afford food and medical care. They can help you can’t they?”
You have always had many projects for which you would collect money using undue influence and deception. Instead of collecting money to build temples, I would like to suggest that you raise money to help people that you have directly harmed to re-build their lives.
I am in the process of seeking legal advice to recover money from ISKCON for physical and mental damages. You will be the primary party named when the Statement of Claim is filed.
How I proceed from here depends a lot upon the response I receive from you to this letter I am writing. I request a written response within 14 days from the date of this letter addressing all of the questions I have raised. Please send your written response to this email address: ****
Thank you. (end)
Dear Cousin O’Paul, you have compared us to Christianity and Islam, but I think now we have also become like some Catholics who have ordained Priests who steal money from the church and use it to feed their lusty needs with young girls while all the time posing as great authorities.
I invite you to print off both the main letters in this thread and read them aloud to your and Paul’s family and see if they are not disgusted also. You have not been under the control or influence of your cousin, you have not watched him get rich off the back of sincere souls who thought they were giving to the service of mankind and their spiritual upliftment. Those innocent people who your cousin Paul has cheated out of many thousands of dollars are very angry, and yes, sometimes speak badly. But it is Paul and NOT his victims who are at fault.
So please do not try to guilt-trip us, as this the modus operandi we have been experiencing from the likes of cousin O’Paul for years. It is not wrong to call a spade a spade, and I challenge you that what your cousin has done is actually no less than the hate-filled trash you speak of.
Hey Just-a-Fruit-Seller,
Don’t accuse me of trying to guilt-trip anyone. It is not my intention to do that. I repeat that my only intention is to state that, as Paul’s cousin, I don’t believe for a moment that he would do any of the things that he is being accused of in this and other blogs. Just because someone writes a long letter accusing him of a whole litany of wrongs, why should we believe a word of it? Haven’t you ever heard of propaganda and disinformation?
Apparently he has decided to get married and give up being a Swami. Is that a crime?. If a pope suddenly decided after years of celibacy that he wanted to give up the papacy and get married, would he have to put up with this sort of nonsense?
The GBC guru system put known homosexuals and child molesters into the seat of gurus, that means, as God’s messiahs. The Catholics do not worship molesters as their messiahs. And the result of Prabhavishnu and his ilk supporting the molester messiahs program was, at least a thousand children were molested, and people who protested like Sulochana were killed. I would have been killed except the FBI saved me from Prabhavishnu’s illicit sex messiah cult. Prabhavishnu is being worshiped as an acharya, that is like a messiah, that is way above the Pope. He decided to get married, bravo for him, what about the thousands of children his program ruined, the dead people who protested, and those of us who were hunted like dogs, chased with baseball bats etc, who authorized Prabhavishnu to have us treated this way, worse than people treat their dogs? With all due respect, that is why people are upset with him, not just the married business, thats a teeny piece of the mess he has made. ys pd