Sidereal- vs Tropical-Zodiac update

ISKCON’s “Astrologers” Are Simply Using Srila Prabhupada as Their Sugar Daddy

Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!Concerning the recent flurry of articles by the ISKCON so-called Astrologers:

1. When Srila Prabhupada was personally running ISKCON, there was no such thing as an “ISKCON astrologer.” No one dared to put themselves forward as an “astrologer” within ISKCON, because they knew that Srila Prabhupada would have put a stop to it.

2. After Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, however, certain self-motivated rascals decided to try to make Srila Prabhupada their sugar daddy in order to have an easy life of sense gratification, just like the Bhaktivedanta Archives rascals did.

3. They accomplished their nefarious deeds by flattering ISKCON’s neophite GBC/”guru”/sannyasis. Not all GBC/”guru”/sannyasis were fooled, however. One of them, in the early 80s, told me that he liked Western astrology better than the ISKCON “astrologers” brand of astrology!

4. Astrologers, according to the Vedic system, are supposed to be brahmanas. This means that they must not charge for their services. Since the ISKCON “astrologers” charge for their services, they are not brahmanas, and therefore, are not real astrologers.

5. My own knowledge of astronomy indicates that the version of astrology being practiced by the ISKCON “astrologers” makes no sense! How can stars that are light years away have any affect on us? Western astrology completely ignores the stars and bases everything on the Sun, moon and planets, which actually makes sense, because they are relatively nearby objects. Even the force of gravity of these objects affects planet earth, as is amply demonstrated by the tides.

6. My own experience with astrology also indicates that Western tropical astrology is superior. For example, if a child is conceived when the moon is in a male sign (Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius, and Aquarius) then that child will be a boy.

If the child is conceived when the moon is in a female sign (Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces), then the child will be a girl.My experience is that this always holds true, and it serves as a very powerful tool for controlling the sex of our future children. But this only works using Western astrology, not the Hindu astrology being practiced by the ISKCON astrologers.

7. In the <http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-12/editorials8490.htm> article, Gaurakishor Prabhu says, “Although there is lots of assurance that ISKCON’s astrologers are doing a good job, especially marriage counseling, many wonder why divorce rate statistics seems to be telling the opposite. ISKCON astrologers are using Jyotish (Indian) astrology as the starting basis for their calculations. Now, here we encounter an area of Jyotish which is very controversial and very important: Ayanamsa.” His article confirms what I’ve been suspecting for years: The “ayanamsa” is a nonsense concoction!

8. ISKCON astrologers have proven over the years that they are unable to predict the future. Anyone with even a modicum of common sense can do a much better job of predicting the future than ISKCON’s so-called astrologers!

9. No matter how many references they may give, the ISKCON “astrologers” who have responded to Gaurakishor Prabhu’s article have not addressed the points made in point numbers 6 through 8 above. They have no explanation for the fact that Western astrology seems to work better than “Vedic astrology.” Therefore, what is the use of all of their references and boring mumbo jumbo gobbledegook that no one bothers to read? No matter how much unintelligible gibberish they come up with, the fact remains: Vedic astrology doesn’t work as well as Western astrology. “The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.”

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi>, <http://causelessmercy.com/>, <http://rtvik.com/>, <http://pratyatosa.com/>, <http://feedacow.com/>, <http://llbest.com/>

 

Comments

  1. psychic readings says:

    I have always thought western astrology has been superior!

    I really learnt something about the ISKCON astrologers. Really enjoyed the article.

    Thanks

  2. manvantar says:
  3. Vedic astrology is not just based on stars. It mostly mainly uses planets which are the material manifestations of the demigods in charge of controling various karmas.
  • Prabhupada: India’s material advancement is artificial. They are not fit for it.

    Western astrological calculations are an exact science using the exact same calculations that astronomers use to calculate the positions of the sun, moon and planets. The ISKCON astrologers also use these exact same calculations, but they add an additional “fudge factor,” the “ayanamsa,” which seems to me like a childish attempt at one-upsmanship. The purpose of the ayanamsa is to force the 12 signs of the zodiac to line up with the traditional stellar star patterns which modern astronomers call “constellations.”

    According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanamsa> Indian astrologers do not even agree on the value of the ayanamsa! (“…there are various values in use in India”) Doesn’t this prove that the ayanamsa fudge factor is not scientific?

    All that I am saying in my article above is that whereas the Western astrologers completely ignore the stars, the ISKCON astrologers take the positions of the stars into account, which is a completely unscientific concoction that doesn’t seem to work very well.

    I’m sure that the traditional Indian system of astrology has it’s advantages, but why not try it without using the silly ayanamsa fudge factor? Then it should work even better, and would certainly be more scientific!

  • Katarina B. says:

    The idea of ayanamsa is that our solar system is gradually changing. Things have to be remeasured because it is not anymore like it was preiviously, Earth’s axis, Sun’s orbit, etc. According this theory practically all stars and planets might slightly change their orbit and thus calculations have to be corrected. Why only the Sun or Earth’s axis? If this is true all planets and stars might gradually change their position. Who can check? On the other hand, if this is the case then astrology would be realy a questionable tool for making exact predication. In fact, it hardly would have made it into the Vedas to be a serious science.
    Prabhupada’s says, there is no change, thus indirectly taking side for the tropical zodiac.

    Prabhupada: Everyone can appreciate the cosmic manifestation and how nicely it is working. The sun and moon rise exactly on time, without deviating even one ten-thousandth of a second, and the seasons change in the same way, bringing with them fruits and flowers. In this way the entire cosmic manifestation is going on in a very orderly, systematic way.

    (TQK 17)

  • Santimati dd says:

    “The astronomical calculation is so perfect that, they say, one ten-thousandth part of a second is also calculated. So accurately things are moving.”
    (Mauritius, October 1, 1975)

    Prabhupada said: “You say I am wrong, I say you are wrong, but what is the standard? Your conclusions change, mine are fixed, hence you are wrong. All the exact astronomical calculations are given in the Srimad-Bhagavatam.” (Paramahamsa’s diary, Wednesday, 14 May 1975)

    Nowhere any mention of planets shifting, ayanamsa. If the calculation is given in Srimad-Bhagavatam it is rather based on season, tropical zodiac.

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