My dear Madhu Pandit Das and group members,
Please accept my best wishes. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I know that if we discuss philosophy then you may have lots of things to say and I may also have many different things to say. In this letter, I am just trying to go beyond these philosophical disagreements to seek a way in which we could work to integrate you back to ISKCON.
So please just consider this proposal calmly although your first knee jerk reaction maybe that my presentation in this letter is not what you want. Please deliberate and consider what would be more pleasing to Srila Prabhupada.
There is definitely agreement between both you and me and the GBC that Srila Prabhupada holds the most prominent/pre-eminent position in every ISKCON devotee’s life since he is our Founder-Acarya. Let us use this common and most essential understanding to forge unity.
I remember that you were very concerned that you wanted a direct relationship with Srila Prabhupada and if somehow that can be obtained by maximizing your shelter of Srila Prabhupada as your primary spiritual authority and minimizing the role of the diksha guru, that could be something that could be worked with immediately.
A physically living person that doesn’t really have a role more than the fact that he is imparting the initiation or mantra as diksa guru or mantra guru but you really take shelter in Srila Prabhupada as your primary spiritual authority and as ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya. Somehow in this way if you adjust then there is no reason that you cannot be a part of ISKCON. Of course as I said, philosophically you may have others things to say but practically you can achieve so much and I am sure that your influence in ISKCON would be a positive one if you accept these guidelines.
If you want establish Srila Prabhupada’s position as the ultimate spiritual authority in ISKCON and take maximum shelter of him, that is very similar to the system of Bhagavat parampara presented by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur. But if you say that Srila Prabhupada is your diksa guru although he is not physically present then this a big obstacle in finding a solution.
You are asking the Bureau to stand against a world wide movement and against the GBC which is a difficult thing. You are saying that you will give the properties to the Bureau but asking what is the safe guard? I am looking a step further that Srila Prabhupada wanted Unity in Diversity. Srila Prabhupada told the GBC that this Unity in Diversity should be the first agenda in their list. There is however a limit.
The ISKCON GBC obviously has to stay with the tradition of the Guru Parampara, Sastra and Sadhu. At this point, the possibility of Srila Prabhupada giving initiations after his departure may not be something that the GBC is considering but as I said this is not at all an obstacle for you to have a direct relationship with Srila Prabhupada as your primary spiritual authority, as ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya.
You can call yourselves Prabhupadanugas or whatever you want. You can really show how to present yourselves, how to surrender to Prabhupada and so on. You could worship Prabhupada, and follow Srila Prabhupada, and that would be very inspiring to have somebody completely sold out to Srila Prabhupada. Maybe some people want a diksa guru in a regular sense and to say that is wrong is not approved by Prabhupada either.
To say that someone wants to take maximum shelter of Srila Prabhupada as their primary spiritual authority, as ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya or as the pre-eminent Siksha Guru and they want to minimize the role of the Diksa guru as monitor guru or the like, that is also not wrong. In this way by accommodating both these scenarios simultaneously we can achieve Unity in Diversity.
Of course if you want to discuss your points further, the GBC may be willing to send a person or a team of persons to discuss with you,maybe even non-guru members of GBC, but as you know,they probably won’t be convinced and you wont be convinced either.
The bureau has already offered in the mediation that whatever your beliefs are, no one will be penalized or persecuted. So, in view of all this the proposal that I have presented in this letter would allow you to be a part of ISKCON in a full sense and not just namesake.
This would be akin to the situation within the catholic church where there are certain orders, such as the Benedictine, Franciscans, Cistercian (Trappist), Opus de, etc., similarly you could be one type of Prabhupadanugas in ISKCON who take more shelter of Srila Prabhupada than anyone else. So let this be your vaisistya or specialty.
There is a GBC resolution that says that one can be a member of ISKCON without accepting a Diksha Guru. But this GBC resolution is not comprehensive or all encompassing because it does not address questions such as how to go on the altar, etc., So the present proposal covers all these different aspects.
I don’t really know what more to say. This is just an attempt to bring peace between us.
I have proposed something similar to the bureau and they have accepted it. So there will be no problem from the bureau side. Since the GBC has accepted Srila Prabhupada as founder acharya, pre-eminent Siksha Guru and primary spiritual authority and is only against portraying Srila Prabhupada as Diksha Guru of disciples initiated after his departure there should not be any problem from them either.
Through this adjustment you can achieve all your spiritual objectives.
JPS calls the disagreement over whether or not to obey Srila Prabhupada’s signed order in the form of the July 9, 1977 letter to all temple presidents and to all members of the GBC body, a “philosophical disagreement.” What an unrepentant rascal!
pamho agtACBSP. SRI VAMANADEVA MAHADVADASI KI JAI,
it’s nice to hear that JPS realized that there are meanwhile thousands of Prabhupadanugas. Of course, it is not HG Madhu Pandit prabhu who needs to be integrated back into Iskcon but JPS!
Since HH Jayapataka swami is an ISKCON guru he’s under the jurisdiction of GBC and has to follow its law. His way of dealing with the Prabhupadanugas could otherwise result in suspension or actually excommunication.
Till now GBC resolution against Ritvikism is still valid:
So lets see what happens next with ISKCON Bangalore vs ISKCON Mumbai issue. Hopefully there will be not only a solution in India but all over the world.
thank you for being with us,
ys a.c seva das haribol
Hare Rama Dear Pratyatosa Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I agree 100% with your analysis, that these disobedient “disciples” are unrepentant rascals.
Srila Prabhupada discribes these kinds of obstinate rascals in this Morning Walk:
“Prabhupada: Obstinate rascals. Not only rascal, but obstinate rascal. Their only remedy is shoe. That’s all. Obstinacy. There is a story about obstinacy. Two friends were talking. One friend said, “This is cut by a scissor.” So another friend says, “No, it is cut by the knife.” So then there was fight. So the friend who was talking of the knife, he was strong enough. So he captured him: “You accept it is scissor, otherwise I’ll throw you in the water.” So other, “No, it is scissor,” so he threw him in the water. So when he was dying, he was doing like this. (Prabhupada makes a hand motion like scissor) (laughter) So he is obstinate rascal. ”
[Morning Walk Conversation with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada August 12, 1976, Tehran http://causelessmercy.com/t/?P=760812mw.teh%5D
Sadly the only way to rectify these people will be left for the Yamadutas and their expertise in torture and punishment…
Senior devotees have tried everything, but they are absolutely unrepentant…
With kind regards,
Bhakta Robin
Pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Above peace offer sounds like holding on to the last straw to keep the bogus gurus in ISKCON in business. Slowly but surely Prabhupadanugas worldwide are uniting in ISKCON inc. which is Srila Prabhupada’s original Iskcon started in New York in 1966. Together with the reïnforced DOM, the Prabhupadanugas have found complete shelter in Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON. It is no longer a case of ISKCON fighting with socalled deviating Ritviks. It is adherents to every instruction of Srila Prabhuapda against those who have chosen what they liked from Srila Prabhupada’s instruction, bend what they could use and thrown out what they did not like. Game over for cheaters, I would say.
It is getting to real business of coming clean and starting new.
Well your holiness Jayapataka swami, you are on the way. Give it a little more strech and you may well reach the proper shore. Hare Krishna!
They want to tin milk in our pot too!
Krishnapriya devi dasi says:
Well your holiness Jayapataka swami, you are on the way. Give it a little more stretch and you may well reach the proper shore. Hare Krishna!
Please keep in mind, Mother Krishnapriya Prabhu, that both sides are motivated by the India Supreme Court. The court ordered them to try to work out their differences, so is it any surprise that the JPS side is finally making an effort to sound conciliatory? I’m surprised that it took them so long.
Ys, Ptd
My humble request to the present gurus and gbc of ISKCON is to abandon this faulty adherence to and attachment for being Gurus in the presence of Srila Prabhupada. Just accept your glorious position of being ritviks, representatives of the Acharya, and we can all move forward.
JP maybe in his final stage… of realizing, because of his health condition, tries to make a step forward to build a small- shadowy bridge…i respect his small effort indeed, but after 40 years of covering up the past and the present, sorry, its to less. To many lives wasted and destroyed. As i feel it, Krsna gave him a huge chance to repent, time for redemption , and let him live. Is he really using this time now to go for it till the end? He holds a huge reservoir of information from the past. Imagine, if only he would now come out of the closet with all of it..IMAGINE….what a huge change it could make. He has given the chance….and he has nothing more to lose, only final peace and blessings from Shrila Prabhupada and Radha/Krsna…..i pray he will do it…for his own sake and SP movement.
Krishnapriya devi dasi says:
Just accept your glorious position of being ritviks, representatives of the Acharya, and we can all move forward.
That’s almost exactly what I said to an ISKCON leader in his temple office in 1998. To my surprise, he got a big smile on his face, and said, “Wouldn’t that be nice!”
All Glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Dear Prabhu’s and Mataji’s
When is HH Jayapataka swami going to repent for being the biggest RASCAL in ISKCON? Back to Prabhupada is the only answer, select a new GBC and VOTE OUT All traitors of Srila Prabhupada! All bogus “guru’s” must REPENT and change there attitude towards Srila Prabhupada and beg his mercy. Krishnapriya devi dasi says:
The Rascals of the OLD guard cannot help themselves when they are confronted with the truth of Srila Prabhupada’s FINAL ORDER. IT’S TIME They STEPP DOWN and return all the properties BACK to SRILA PRABHUPADA The REAL DIKSA GURU of ALL ISKCON. HARE KRISHNA
bhakta Roger Rodpush
“Through this adjustment you can achieve all your spiritual objectives. ”
The above statement in the letter comes from HH Jayapataka Swami’s letter.
What kind of a joke is this. ?
How any body can make ones own ADJUSTMENTS as stipulated by the Self made Swami in cultivating Spiritual Life by breaking the Law and Order set forth by the Supreme Authority which are passed on to the Authoritative Personalities in the Parampara system to carry on the Spiritual Life in order to go back Home Back to Godhead ?
OK. Swami JAYAPATAKA and company, enjoy being a guru by accepting disciples merely for a POSITION, PROFIT AND PRESTIGE.
How long your status lasts and what happens to your own consciousness at the time of death only the TIME will determine and reveal it ?
Wishing Swami Jayapataka enjoys the New Year 2020 to the fullest.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Gloies to Srila Prabhupada.
JPS’s posture in this letter is intended to convey the impression that he is being broad-minded and accepting of devotees who wish to follow our understanding of Srila Prabhupada’s very clear instructions. And he further seems to be trying to encourage us that we will have the happy privilege of being part of Iskcon. But we do not require his acceptance. In the face of such an important offense to Srila Prabhupad by the GBC, the so-called gurus, and Iskcon in general, we want no part of their acceptance. Nor can we begin to accept an iskcon that holds fast to this most offensive deviation from Srila Prabhupada’s parting instructions. Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly said that to remain silent when something is improper is the same as being in agreement. It is therefore impossible for us to integrate oursleves into the Iskcon membership without strongly protesting this great offense of usurping Srila Prabhupada’s seat as the diksha guru of Iskcon, and the Iskcon-approved desecration of Srila Prabhupada’s books. We will never be able to accept and embrace those who take the present Iskcon stand in these issues, nor do we aspire for their acceptance. Up until the time any of those leading Iskcon persons leaves his body, the chance remains to beg Srila Prabhupada’s foregiveness and do their best to put the movement back on track, so that it doesn’t wither as a dead branch of the tree of devotional service coming from Lord Caitanya. As far as being helpful to them, we have already done more than our part in trying to encourage them to take the path of honesty. Now the ball is in their court. As they die, one by one, they will have to live with the consequences. This is a matter of gravest importance in our spiritual lives. It’s not about name-calling or minor squabbling. We have to be very sober and very determined not to budge an inch from our resolve to be true to Srila Prabhupada’s final orders, as good as the order of Krishna Himself, and not to be swayed to the contrary, no matter how sweetly the proposition seems to be put to us. These men are more than intelligent enough to understand the truth of the matter. Their refusal to comply is simply a display of a perversity of spirit. They are persona-non-grata, and their association is abhorant.