Myth-Busters: 1) “The July 9th 1977 Directive appointing representatives was applicable only during Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence.”
a) But the directive itself does NOT state this – that it was meant to apply only for a limited time or that it should terminate at a certain time.
b) Indeed, the very absence of any specific time-period for the directive’s operation is itself proof that the directive was meant to apply permanently. One only stipulates a specfic time-period to indicate something’s temporary nature, i.e. that there is a limited period in which it must apply.
c) Hence the fact that the directive does not specifically say it will continue after Srila Prabhupada’s departure is no reason to stop it, since it does not say it will continue after ANY time period – i.e. it does not even say that it should apply after July 9th, 1977 (the date on which it was issued), or that it should apply even when Srila Prabhupada was still physically present. So if the mention of a certain time-period is required for the directive to apply within that same time-period, then the directive could never have applied at any time at all. Yet Srila Prabhupada obviously wanted it to apply, otherwise why did he bother sending over one hundred copies of the directive to his entire worldwide movement, just shortly before he physically departed?
d) Rather, the directive is not time-dependent in any way, but is issued to an institution and all its managing officers (Temple Presidents and Governing Body Commissioners), to be implemented within that institution. Thus the July 9th directive, and with it the ritvik system it established, must be applied within the institution of ISKCON for as long as that institution exists.
2) “The phrase ‘my initiated disciple’ in Srila Prabhupada’s Will should not be taken literally.”
a) The statement in Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will and Testament that all executive directors for ISKCON’s properties in India must always be Srila Prabhupada’s initiated disciples, was certainly no mistake. Indeed, in the original reading of the Will on June 2nd, 1977, the phrase was first read out as “an initiated disciple”. But by the time the Will was prepared,the phrase had been deliberately changed by Srila Prabhupada to “MY initiated disciple”, thus avoiding any ambiguity.
b) Neither can the phrase mean “someone else’s initiated disciple” or a “non-initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada”, unless we completely ignore the dictionary meanings of the words “my” and “initiated”. The phrase “my initiated disciple” was used many times previously by Srila Prabhupada to exclusively, and perhaps unsurprisingly, refer to disciples who were initiated by him. No points for guessing why the current 80 unauthorised Gurus would have you believe that on just this one, crucial occasion, Srila Prabhupada would use this same, identical phrase, but mean something completely different by it!
3) “There is no reference from Guru, Sadhu (saintly persons) and Sastra (scripture) for the Ritvik System.”
a) Whatever the GURU states is ALREADY in line with Sadhu and Sastra
“Sadhu, sastra and guru. Guru means who follows the sastra and sadhu . So there are three, the same.”
(SP Lecture 30/11/76,Vrindavana)
b) So an order from the Guru Srila Prabhupada does not need to be independently verified with Sastra and Sadhu. As long as we accept he is a bona fide Guru, as everyone in ISKCON must, then Srila Prabhupada’s words alone are enough. And as seen above, his orders in the July 9th directive and his Last Will and Testament authorise that he remain the sole initiating Guru for ISKCON. These orders are therefore automatically in line with Guru, Sadhu and Sastra.
4) “One cannot understand Srila Prabhupada’s books unless they are explained by a ‘living’ Guru.”
a) Srila Prabhupada never states this. On the contrary he wrote:
“In my books the philosophy of Krsna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.”
(Letter to Brahmarupa Dasa, 22/11/74)
Indeed, even to someone who was new to the movement he wrote:
“In conjunction with this you should always read my books daily and all your questions will be answered and you will have a firm basis of Krishna Consciousness. In this way your life will be perfect.”
(Letter to Hugo Salemon, 22/11/74)
b) In any case,if this myth was true then no one could have understood Srila Prabhupada’s books since none of his disciples, including the 80 unauthorised Gurus, ever sat down with Srila Prabhupada to have all his books explained to them personally, line by line. And since they never had the books completely explained to them then obviously they would be in no position to explain them to us either!
Clearly it is a myth that we need a so-called “living” Guru as an intermediary just to read and understand Srila Prabhupada’s words. They are crystal clear to any sincere soul who wishes to understand them.
(by www.iskconirm.com)
WHY the DEMONS want to discard the July 9th 1977 Directive is BECAUSE they want to SCREW MONEY AND IMPOSE SLAVERY(EXPLOIT INNOCENT DEVOTEES IN THE NAME OF DISCIPLES):
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
pamho agtACBSP,dvadasi ki jai
It’s been all the time like that in the material world i mean everything is done in the opposite direction time and will of SRI KRSNA until one get connected with the param-brahman by becoming a pukka brahma nistham as our guru maharaj. When SRILA PRABHUPADA was physically present they were ritvik and now they are gurus because when there is not the cat around the mouse is dancing but this musi-ko bhavo dance will be over by the bite of the teeth of the cat which is still around even if they can’t see that but that dance is just for a little while more i mean jara already got them and now mrityu is the next and the sambandha nahi ja’r,brtha janma gelo ta’r is not established yet with SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA because they are still keeping going in the same wrong direction under the three gunas, therefore they changed everything from instructors they self promoted themselves to diksa guru intiators when SRILA PRABHUPADA was still here they were giving diksa on behalf of HIM and now they changed because they haven’t got perfect knowledge yet that’s why they change constantly.
But our guru maharaj didn’t change nothing because is was perfect in all respect and we get alot of spiritual benefit by the teaching of HIS vani seva. Actually one needs to work hard to get transfer in the nirguna platform first one need to know everything about the condizioned soul inside a physical form trapped in saguna elements, and to know how the nature law is working to overcome their evil influences one must be connected with the bonafide process of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA until one finds out his spiritual body.
SRILA PRABHUPADA got this perfection therefore is different from the myth, HE had a lot of mystic power by being completely pure but HE was using it to change the heart of the condizioned soul,HE was a niskama bhakta therefore HE lives eternally within HIS purity connected to the pavitram paramam. In the final order SRILA PRABHUPADA says that whoever follows the regulative principles of bhakti yoga by reading my books daily is already initiated by ME,they are just dreaming over to become eternal artificially through gandharva pura,in the meantime another life gone and don’t know what form all these myth busters will get in their next life. Anyway it’s all the time the same soup that’s the polluted guru hoaxers which does everything in the opposite side of SRILA PRABHUPADA.
agtSP ys haribol
” Any little deviation from the philosophy, any little new introduction, could create a huge misconception in the future. ” Srila Prabhupada warns us.
Jayapataka Swami:
” I was in India with Achyutananda when we heard that some devotees had received sannyas initiation in Los Angeles. To young brahmacharis, sannyas was something super wonderful. Then one evening, when we were just taking rest, Srila Prabhupada called for Achyutananda. I didn’t have a clue what sannyas was, but I thought, “Maybe Prabhupada is going to give him sannyas.” Instead, I heard Prabhupada raising his voice to chastise Achyutananda. I thought, “Hmm, it doesn’t sound like he’s getting sannyas.”
The next thing I knew, Srila Prabhupada was asking me questions about things that I didn’t know about. Then Prabhupada said to Devananda, his secretary, “He doesn’t know anything. He’s clean.”
Just before this, in 1970 in New Vrindavan, four sannyasis had declared that Prabhupada was an avatar, and Prabhupada had to exile them from Iskcon. Prabhupada was afraid of this serious and dangerous situation. He explained to us how this mayavadi poison had crept into Iskcon. He said that one of his God-brothers had told Achyutananda that Prabhupada wasn’t actually preaching, but was acting as an extension of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur. This God-brother of Prabhupada’s said that it was actually Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur who was doing everything, initiating everybody, and that Srila Prabhupada was what they call a ritvik, not responsible for anything. Srila Prabhupada’s disciples were not his but were actually disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur.
Somehow, Achyutananda explained this in a letter to Brahmananda. And Prabhupada said that Brahmananda and the other sannyasis started to speculate that, “If we’re initiated by Prabhupada but are not Prabhupada’s disciples but Srila Bhaktisiddhanta’s disciples, then we could also be Bhaktivinode Thakur’s disciples because Bhaktisiddhanta is representing Bhaktivinode. And if we are Bhaktivinode’s disciples, we could be the Six Goswamis’ disciples. And if we could be the Six Goswamis’ disciples, we could be Lord Chaitanya’s disciples. And since Lord Chaitanya is Krishna, then we’re Krishna’s disciples.”
Through this logic, they somehow came to the conclusion that Prabhupada was Krishna. Srila Prabhupada said that Achyutananda was innocent as he had just transmitted this message.
Srila Prabhupada warned us that we had to be very careful.
Any little deviation from the philosophy, any little new introduction, could create a huge misconception in the future.
Why NO Salaries in Iskcon.
Srila Prabhupada Letter To Rāmānanda ;
I have no objection to paying you something monthly for doing the Hindi translating work, thereby freeing you to devote your time 100% in this way, but I am hesitating for one reason only, that it is the common understanding of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness or the science of devotional service rendered to Kṛṣṇa that we shall serve Him spontaneously and without any desire for compensation for our service. Our service to Kṛṣṇa is voluntary and we are interested only that He shall be pleased, not myself.
Therefore the advanced devotee is ready to serve Kṛṣṇa under all conditions of difficulty or scarcity, never mind other things, because he knows in his mind that by giving his full attention and energy to Kṛṣṇa, that the Supreme Personality of Godhead will not disregard this and make him to suffer. No, Kṛṣṇa is not like that. If He sees His devotee sincerely and seriously trying to serve Him, He is prepared to give His devotee anything and everything to mitigate any suffering conditions. That is mature understanding and realization of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness.
Of course, I can understand that you are a married man, with wife and children, but so are many of my students, and what will they think if I give you money for your devotional service? But I do not give them any money? They will think something discrimination. “Oh, he is Indian boy, therefore Prabhupāda is giving him some special favor,” like that. I do not want to set such example.
It is not that I cannot pay you, I am easily able to pay you, and I am willing to pay you in principle, only I do not want to create any example which may be mistaken by other students. So under these circumstances, if you do not want to give your time and energy full time for translating and editing the Hindi work, unless there is some compensation of money, then what can I do? All of these American and European boys and girls, they have had enough of money, they are sons of millionaires and rich men of America, still they do not ask me for one farthing for their work. They could go out and make thousands of dollars a month as educators and skilled professional men, still they prefer to live with me and eat only a little rice from the floor, and sleep on the cold ground without cover, that is their advanced realization of spiritual life.