Dear Devotees
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My husband and myself have started preaching in a small town in Whangarei, population of about 70 0000. By the mercy of Guru and Gauranga, we have started a small preaching centre and a Food for Life centre.
Currently we provide a free lunch to two schools one day a week and we have what is called a Community Cafe where people just give a donation for a meal, which is open 3 days a week for lunch.
We have a Sunday Program every Sunday and have started a Kirtan group.
If there are any devotees out there who would like to join us in the service of Srila Prabhupada, please contact us and we can discuss further.
My email is suvarna_manjari@rediffmail.com and my husband Buddhimanta Khan das email is buddhi_manta@hotmail.com
We look forward to hearing from you soon!
your servants
Suvarna Manjari dasi and Buddhimanta Khan das
I have a question here. The autors are giving their spiritually sounding names here, are those ritvik given names? Are you folks Prabhupada initiated disciples(up to 1977), or are you posthumous ritvik initiates, or are you just post Fiskcon scam initiates who choosen to keep the names you got from a rascal imitator so called “(F)ISKCON guru” since they sound nice and give you name and fame? You see it is all very important to know, since it all may say alot about the sincerity of your activities. According to the Nectar of Instruction we have to learn who and of what grade of devotee is, and then act accordingly, not that you just say I xdas or ydasi are doing this and that. WHo are You? What is your ritvik proposal and explanation, what ritual of ritvik you propose? Like you see I give you my name bhakta JArek. I joined FISKCON in 1985, was in Berlin Bhakti Yoga Zentrum, then “initaiated by Harikesh Swami”, than Amsterdam ,…and so on. According to the scripters after learning how my “guru” deviated though I was a deviant myself as well I had to reject him and work out to get rid of the “FISCKON false imitators seed ” I got from the false acharya into my dirty heart. Like this. You invite people but what are you credentials ? What are you spreading? What qualifications you have to spread what? You ritviks like to produce just more illusion, you say we are preaching as if you were one solid group of united devotees, but you are obviously not one united group. When you say join us in fact you create another scam, anothe fraction. Like once I wanted to join the Montreal ritviks. Fortunately they rejected me, but in between they also warned everyone not to take ritvik initiation from anyone that time? Just see! (it was about 3,4 years ago) Unless you are advocating the Bhagavad viddhi path as per the S.B. 1.2.18 verse and no ritvik vada lunatic way to vimudha manina stage of consciousness you are just inviting people to form with you another sect. Why inviting conditioned souls to your camp you take the role of the guru. But are you ready for that?
y.s. bj
I intended in the above comment (“…Unless you are advocating the Bhagavad viddhi path as per the S.B. 1.2.18 verse and no ritvik vada lunatic way to vimudha manina stage of consciousness you are just inviting people to form with you another sect…”)to recall the vedic term of “vimukta manina” i.e. falsely thinking of oneself to be liberated, not vimudha manina which is a rather not existing think at all. Excuse me kindly for that. HAre Krishna!
y.s. bj
ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA!–Bhakta Jarek Prabhu,why would you have any problem with a nice householder couple in New Zealand encouraging conditioned souls to worship SRILA PRABHUPADA and eat food offered to Him?What is your problem?Just why do you care where and how they got their names?For instance myself–Devaki Nandana dasa–Given to my by Gopal Krsna Swami on Feb.05,1984,in Vancouver,BC.Canada.So I no longer consider Gopal Krsna Swami to be a valid Guru yet I keep the name and consider SRILA PRABHUPADA my real Guru and just go along with the name as being the name that Sri Krsna wanted me to receive.Why do you hate Ritviks so much?Do you have a better system?Please enlighten me so that I can instantly give up my mistaken conceptions and follow your better path.If you have anyone better than SRILA PRABHUPADA that I can look to for mercy and knowledge then please produce the name of that most exalted Pure Devotee. Your servant,Bhakta Daryl (Devaki Nandana dasa)
Dear Prabhu Daryl with the name given to you by falsely choosen “guru”, choosen by you and not by Krishna, I do not hate ritviks. What I do is I try to understand who you folks at all are, where from this madness comes and who arranged for it. Just research work, or my homework if you want. I told you already that I do not have a better system, I do not pretend to invent such neither. What I have is but the system given to us kindly by our acarya Srila Prabhupada in the whole body of His teachings, of which particularly the injuction given in the Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.18 may be taken as the essence of how to get out of illusion while having no direct contact with the physically present Sri Guru or person Bhagavat. What I do also is that I am just strengthening my intelligence while debunking scams. The major two I see for now are GBC FISKON and so called disfranchised ritvik vada camp. Both of them are maya and no way that any of them is or will be bona fide in the future. THe path od Srila Prabhupada is not different from the path of the Acaryas since time immemorial and there is nothing in it like institutional voted in guru or posthumous diksha neither.
y.s. bj
ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA! Bhakta Jarek,I am not at all suprised to see that you neglected to answer the majority of my questions.Anyways,if you consider SRILA PRABHUPADA to be your spiritual master then you really are just like me–and I’m a ritvik.So we both have the same spiritual master,and that’s great,but why do you keep attacking nice devotees with nice programs the these devotees in New Zealand?In fact you are attacking nice devotees almost daily on this nice website.Yet you admit “that I do not have a better system.”It seems like your system is just to find fault.If you can’t beat us,maybe you should join us. JAI RADHE Your servant,Bhakta Daryl (Devaki Nandana dasa)
Hare Krishna Daryl Prabhuji! I do really don’t think that I may solve the problems of the temporary collapse of the legal continuance of the Hare Krishna Yuga Dharma Movement by myself, don’t even dare to become so lunatic or arrogant in my dreams,
I just try hard not to be cheated again and do strive after to surrender to H.D.G. Srila Prabhupada nonsectarian transcendental directions. This is not at all easy for a lowly born dog like me. That’s all.
Thank you for you invitation but I still do not have a slightest idea whom you whant me to join saying “join us”/ Therefore I ask you to show me your scriptural credentials supported by sadhu and Sri Guru.
Hare Krsna
please accept my fallen obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Thank you for your comments.
Bhakta Jarek, I can understand and sympathize with you that there are many different groups etc and some may have different motives. But this is the material world and we are living in Kali Yuga, so we can’t expect Utopia. It is good to question and not be a blind follower. I have not had any experience of those kind of ritviks that you mentioned. So I don’t understand what they are doing. Are they electing gurus? Please explain.
My husband and I don’t have any credentials or qualifications but are simply trying to follow Srila Prabhupadas instructions and need help as there is so much to be done.
We don’t have any hidden motives or agendas.
I read the SB 1.2.18 verse and understand that Srila Prabhupada is the person Bhagavad and through Him we get the mercy of the book Bhagavad…that is my limited understanding anyway.
Why do I keep the name I got initiated with in “Iskcon” , because I consider it the mercy of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna. I formally took initiation and it’s a reminder to me of when I took my vows and ended my material existence, regardless of the fact that others may or may not of had material motives. My motive was to surrender to Lord Krsna and His Pure Devotee. Whatever obstacles that may have been in between it all has been removed by the mercy of Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada has continued to open my eyes with the torchlight of knowledge over the past 11 years since I have been in contact with His Divine Grace through His transcendental books. This is definately a PROCESS of self realization.
Thank you Devaki Nandana Prabhu for your comments.
Your servant in the service of Srila Prabhupada
Suvarna Manjari dasi
Thank You Mataji! Hare Krishna! I said it already more times that I do aprreciate so much the genuine feelings and scriptural appreciation of the “ritviks” for Srila Prabhupada, His position and role. Unfortuantely the followers of the bogus gurus have lost mostly this most important understanding. However, my question is where from you may be sure that the most difficult quest for the revival of our spiritual svarupa as the eternal servants of Lord Sri Krishna may be done in such an unchecked, whimsical and so irresponsible way (isn’t the multiplied camp of ritviks naturally lost and deprived of an authorisation or authority, who constitutes the way you initiate so called diksha disciples of the Acarya, who does authorised all of the multifarious practices whithin the camps and fractions?) ? Why first not to become purified by the methods prescribed and absolutely surely authorised by the acaryas of instead take into an unprecedented idea ? What it gonna be out of it in 20, 50 or 100 years ? I see that the ritvik church mental concoction will grow and part into splitted groups or interpretations (most probably with one strong indian-hindu showy style branch from Bangalore), this is the dynamic, and probably nothing may change it for now, but personally I see this as a work of Mayadevi who checks our sincerity whether or not we really want having back our real non material life of eternal part and parcels and servants of the servants or another material dream in the new/old form of kaitava dharma /religion with its love, friendship and society scheme.
y.s. bj
Srila Rupa Goswami in His Nectar of Instruction so kindly translated and explained to the whole World for the next 10000 years of the Golden Age at leats by H.D.G A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada wrote in the verse number one that:
The Nectar of Instruction 1
vaco vegam manasah krodha-vegam
jihva-vegam udaropastha-vegam
etan vegan yo vishaheta dhirah
sarvam apimam prithivim sa sishyat
SYNONYMS
vacah — of speech; vegam — urge; manasah — of the mind; krodha — of anger; vegam — urge; jihva — of the tongue; vegam — urge; udara-upastha — of the belly and genitals; vegam — urge; etan — these; vegan — urges; yah — whoever; vishaheta — can tolerate; dhirah — sober; sarvam — all; api — certainly; imam — this; prithivim — world; sah — that personality; sishyat — can make disciples.
TRANSLATION
A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind’s demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world.
So, now You ritviks say to this :NO!No more Gurus who may accordingly to this verse and it’s author initiate! (ok. some of you[whoever You means to you at all :)], at least one Madhudvisha ritvik dasa say “maybe later on”:)). But is this what the verse say?!) What a stupid nonsense You propose! Just see the audacity and ignorance of it. I do ask You who is the author of the scam? Did you reasearch it seriously?This rat Rupa Vilas, or more than10 years waiting revelations notices made with an old pencil Yaśodanandana das, or the servant of Tamal who claims to hear a lot about the alleged ritvik order but in between begs in a letter his Master Tamal Poisoner Acarya to initiate his/Gouripanditdas das’as own wife ? What are they ? What is the result of their unifying and all problems solving idea? And Krishnakant desai, who is he, is he at least at all chanting or following the Vaishnava rules? Do you check anyone or you just believe it ? Believ means for us to follow the predecessors acaryas, isn’t it?
y.s. bj
ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA! Bhakta Jarek this is going to be my last reply to you.In the above verse that you quoted from The Nectar of Instruction,the meaning is very clear.So if you can contol your senses,or anyone else,then I have not the slightest problem with that person becoming a Guru.But not in ISKCON.Because SRILA PRABHUPADA’s final instuctions to us do not permit it.SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE ONLY GURU OF ISKCON FOR THE NEXT 9,500+ YEARS.Just like SRILA PRABHUPADA did not attempt to set Himself up as the head of The Gaudia Math.He went out with only $8.00 and started His very own branch-ISKCON.So real ritviks within ISKCON simply wish to follow SRILA PRABHUPADA’s instuctions.Do you want to follow SRILA PRABHUPADA’s instructions?If you do,then please accept his final order.If you want to become an instructing guru within ISKCON that is fine.But if you have dreams of becoming a Diksa Guru,then please leave ISKCON and start your own movement.It is really quite simple.I wish you well and have had my intelligence stimulated by conversing with you.I remain your servant,Bhakta Daryl (Devaki Nandana dasa) HARIBOL!
Hare Krishna.
AGTSP, PAMHO.
To Bhakta Jarek.
16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Matthew 9:16-17
King James Version (KJV)
Bhakta Jarek,
Kindly, do you not have something better to do with your time ? Cannot you not understand that there are different levels of devotional service ? Are you perfect ? Unless you are thinking you are perfect in every way, how can you think you have a perfect understanding of everything. Why don’t you just agree to disagree and stop blowing your horn all over the place ? It’s very simple, this is Kali Yuga, which is full of cheaters and cheated, and we’ve seen time and time again, persons taking this position of diksa guru, to be worshiped as good as God, only to later prove they are not. Srila Prabhupada is the one person whom can be accepted as unquestionably a Mahabhagavata pure devotee. His books are widely distributed, his murti established in temples worldwide, etc. Is there anyone else who can compare ? Can you not understand that there are devotees who simply want to take shelter of Prabhupada and worship him only ? In the ritvik system there can be many other gurus whom we can accept guidance from and give respects to, however it is only Prabhupada who is going to be worshiped as good as God. We are not going to go accept other persons whom time and time again prove to be not on that level, and thus be cheated. Aside from all the examples of such persons, there are many other sound reasons to accept the ritvik system, such as Srila Prabhupada’s final will stating only his initiated disciples could be directors of ISKCON properties for the duration of ISKCON’s existence. If you do not accept any of this, then fine, have it your way, but do not waste your time trying to shove your perspective down everyone’s throat here. Why not do something constructive like go out and distribute some books or do Harinam. What is the point of all your ranting and raving on this website trying to tear down devotees who simply want to take shelter in Prabhupada ? Sure, Prabhupada may authorize someone else to intiate their own disciples, it certainly is not completely impossible, but whether or not he has or will involves alot of speculation which simply opens the doors to all the cheating that is going on. So you can go on wondering about it if you like. Perhaps you think Prabhupada has authorized someone, or some persons. Well who is that ? Can you say for certain you know that Prabhupada has authorized someone ? And if so are you taking shelter and worshiping that person as good as God ? That is your business, but do not waste your time anymore just ranting and raving on this website. Associate with likeminded devotess who share your perspective, there’s plenty of them. You must accept that not everyone is going to see things the same, so there will be different groups, that is natural. But you should respect Vaishnavas whether or not they agree with your understanding. And leave it like that. If someone wants to hear you out fine, but there is no need to be here trying to beat people over the head with your point of view.
Hare Krishna,
Bhakta Sean
Thanks for the nice replies in deed to all of the three devotees. Thank You. Before you kindly crucify me, just for the record I like to say that I am not at all against almost everything you say with but a small exception, there is no reason whatsoever for accepting the sectarian, concocted by some scrupulous rascals (change means rascal) demandable diksha from the departed yet of course immediate Acarya. Now, kill me but I have no time for cheating plays anymore, had enough of grotesk theatre in my FISKCON time, whereas seems to me you are still all deeply traumatised by FISKCON (remember it was your/our choice, not Prabhupada’s not Krishna’s) and you simply need to understand that just rebel and reverse is nothing but another form of the same attachement, like wet and dry stool site.:)
y.s. bj
Crucify, rebel? Nobody is crucified! Hate the sin – not the sinner. But Bhakta Jarek one thing, you should immediately run to your next ISKCON center and join their guru program.
Because what you and Dusyanta are saying is exactly that what present ISKCON is doing. Those who initiate are doing it for Prabhupada – like ritviks – but after initiating a few disciples they are full-fledged diksha-gurus. New disciples become the disciples of those who perform the initiation ritual.
Don’t say this is not what you mean. It is. You fully support ISKCON’s guru program of appointing neophyte candidates to sit on the vyasasana and give it a trial how long they make it. A cowboy gets thrown off a horse at a rodeo, holding onto the saddle horn to keep from getting thrown when a horse is bucking. Basically thats whats happening when installing trial and error gurus.
Meanwhile a funny entertainment, however, please notice, Christianity defeated you. Christianity never had Lord Jesus falling. They never had Lord Jesus running off with female disciples. Lord Jesus never grabbed your money and bought drugs. Prabhupada: “The western country, they, Lord Jesus Christ, he was put into trials but he never forgot Krishna. This is sign of maha-bhagavata, nitya-siddha.”
Maha-bhagavata, nitya-siddha. In sum, this kind of spirituality where risky gurus give it a try this is not needed in the West. You are defeated by the Christian ritviks. They won’t ask their community members to shake like a leaf and wait if their messiahs makes it or not. Maha-bhagavata, nitya-siddha.
So this is all neophyte stage of mental experiment, voted-in gurus who have to worshipped as good as God and at the same time nobody knows what will happen.
Thank you for spending your time with us.
I don’t think I am on the same level what Dushyanta prabhu is on, His arguments are accordingly supported by śastra, so reading them is for me pure nectar, You see Saksigopala das it is so ridiculous you send me to FISKCON, I am banned from them and people are warned not to assoociate with me since I am practically only one over here who openly criticize their cheating in the form of so called ISKCON (Gaudiya Math, Tripurari and so onas well) guru program. But remarkably enough, and I do say this again and again You ritviks are simply the reverse of FISKCON, you can’t exist without them and the whole scam of ritivk will never have separate theology, sophistic, or martyrology, or anything else, you will be allways just the counterpart of you older brother, or sister FISKCON. It ist the end of your horizon and you will never get above it, since this is generally the fate of mental speculators and cheaters folks.
However it is pleasure for me too to may have talk with you since the ritviks know who the real guru is, they are mostly very righteous and have genuine feeling for H.D.G. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. However since they advocate and installnan unprecedented and concocted idea of institutional posthumous diksha on demand via non existing system of proxys into the practice of bhakti they are deviating and causing disturbance on their own and their followers spiritual paths.
y.s. bj
Bhakta Jarek Sampradaya
Hare Krishna bhakta Jarek. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. We are ritvik Prabhupadanugas simply because it is what Srila Prabhupada ordered we do. Although Srila Prabhupada would always say it was all in his books, still his leading disciples were not clear as to what to do with initiations after he would be no longer with us, so they asked him on My 28th 1977 and Srila Prabhupada said he would choose some of his men to be officiating Acaryas or ritviks (priests) to conduct the diksa ceremonies on his behalf.
Although Srila Prabhupada had written a letter saying he wanted to choose a guru by 1975, those of us that have studied the matter, understand that this letter was mainly to up ease ambitious disciples who wanted to become initiating gurus then. I personally met one of them Achutananda Swami to whom the letter was addressed. He was a a violent man. I was there when he twisted the arm of a gurukuli till it broke! We where afraid in Losd Angeles of this hugely fat “swami.” He was for sure not qualified to have his own disciples!
In April of 1977, Srila Prabhupada said that there was no one qualified to be guru and that there was need of vigilant management to avoid having unqualified people to pose as gurus. On July 9th 1977 he wrote and signed the directive about riviks initiating disciples for him. But it was not followed.
Since 1970, the Direction of management about how to manage ISKCON has not been followed. In 1974 Srila Prabhupada tried to have the GBC follow the DOM but they refused. The GBC did not follow the desire of Srila Prabhupada that all his top men go to Vrndavana to see him. They did not take him around Govardan Hill as he wanted either. They then poisoned him and a couple of months later, they declared themselves to be as good as Krishna diksa gurus after all of these mad elephant offenses. They killed sulocan dasa the same day I got my ritvik initiation ceremony on May 22nd 1986 for him exposing the mad elephant offenders. Then they changed the books, molested children, etc etc.
This is because they did not follow the orders to be a humble priests for Srila Prabhupada. We ritivk Prabhupadanugas follow all the orders and last will and testament and have 9 GBCs and over 20 temple presidents and have the most successful temples in ISKCON with 1.3 Prasada plates distributed daily at a cost of $120,000 USD per a day. Also most book distribution of original books. This is the result of following Srila Prabhupada’s orders on management and initiations. I hope this helps you understand the foundation and bases of our success., following Srila Prabhupada’s orders. Jai Srila Prabhupada!!
Sincerely,
Mahatma dasa
Dear Suvarna Manjari Dasi. I am at a loss to understand why Ramai Swami is promoting your restaurant on his ‘blog’ (Feb 7th 2113) and at the same time you are appealing to ‘Prabhupadanugas’ to help with your project?
My humble advise to you and your husband Sriman Buddhimanta Khan Prabhu (and please convey to him my kindest regards as I haven’t seen him for over a decade) is to completely distance yourselves from this Kali Chela, pretender, rascal, Ramai as he is GBC phoney and bogus guru hoaxer. This guy is going straight to hell and taking all of those who follow him with him. Kalasamvara, Ramai, and Prabhavisnu engaged in an orchestrated campaign to silence me and turn all the ‘devotees’ against me in the Christchurch Temple as I had exposed the GBC coverup of Kripa Kara (who later raped a 9 year old). Ramai is a piece of shit, but he still caries on this big pretence of beying ‘saintly’.
The Christchuch yatra tried to destroy me and offend my daughter but The Supreme Lord Sri Krishna DESTROYED the Christchurch temple instead. No benefit will come from associating with scum like Ramai
he is just a walking corpse and an offender of Srila Prabhupada and eventually everything he touches will become poisonous.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana