Everywhere, wherever, Mayapura or anywhere. Question is that here it is clearly said, sve sve karmany abhiratah. Brahmana has his duty, ksatriya has his duty, vaisya has his duty, sudra has his duty. And if he performs his duty nicely, then he also becomes perfect. So why artificially he should be called a brahmana? Let them do, according to sastra, the work of sudra, or vaisya. He’ll get the perfect. Perfection is not checked. But why artificially he should be made a brahmana or he should be made a sannyasi and fall down and become a ludicrous? That is the point. Better let him live in his position and become perfect. That’s good. That looks very nice. And that is possible. That is possible. Varnasramacaravata purusena parah puman visnur aradhyate. Visnu, Lord Visnu, can be worshiped if you perfectly follow the rules and regulation of four varnas and four asramas. Here it is also said, sve sve karmani. You work as a perfect brahmana or a perfect ksatriya, perfect sudra; you get perfection. The perfection is available in your natural life. Why should artificially you become unnatural and fall down and become ludicrous? Perfection is not checked.
For the big scale, this is the required. In big scale you cannot make all of them as brahmanas or sannyasis. No. That is not possible. This is a small scale. How many percentage of people of the world we are controlling? Very insignificant. But if you want to make the whole human society perfect, then this Krsna consciousness movement should be introduced according to the Krsna’s instruction, if you want to do it in a large scale for the benefit of the whole human society. Now we are picking up some of them, best. That is another thing. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu said para-upakara. Why a certain section should be picked up? The whole mass of people will get the benefit of it. Then it is required, systematic. Sve sve karmany abhiratah samsiddhim labhate narah. Para-upakara means mass benefit, not there is certain section. Then we have to introduce this varnasrama-dharma. It must be done perfectly, and it is possible and people will be happy.
If the leaders of the society, they agree. They are barking like dogs in the United Nation. They should take rightly the instruction of Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ. Then everything will be all right. They’re simply barking like dogs. What benefit is there? What benefit people have derived from the United Nation? Nothing. So if they want actually world peace, world unity, they must take the formula given by Krsna. That is our duty. Because we are preaching Krsna consciousness, so our duty is to convince that “You are uselessly wasting your time for unity, for benefit of the human… You take this. You’ll be happy.” We are safe. We have taken to Krsna’s lotus feet shelter. There is no doubt. But… Just like Prahlada Maharaja. He said that “I am quite happy. I have no problem. But I am thinking of these rascals.” Tato vimudha-cetasa indriyartha: “They have made the whole aim of life sense gratification.” Indriyartha. “And for that purpose, a few years, they’re making huge arrangement, how we shall become happy?” And next life a dog. It is risky. So as Krsna conscious men, we should try to save them. That is the duty. But this civilization as it is going on is very risky. They do not know how nature’s law is working, how he’s going to be a dog next life. He does not know. Mudho nabhijanati. To save the mass people from falling down to the repetition of birth and death, that is welfare activity. To save them by Krsna consciousness, we have to keep this ideal at least, varnasrama, that “Here is the position.”
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Varnasrama System
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February 14, 1977, Mayapura
” But why artificially he should be made a brahmana or he should be made a sannyasi and fall down and become a ludicrous? ” as quoted in the article.
I happened to read Iskcon GBC report this year that there are so many people from all walks of life are waiting anxiously in line TO BECOME SANNYASI and Gurus.
Why these people are not able to perform their duty in life according to their natural ability as per sve sve karmany abhiratah ?
Where and what is the need to fall in line to become artificially Gurus or Sannyasi ?
Any sane person, please answer the questions.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
You said “Why these people are not able to perform their duty in life according to their natural ability as per sve sve karmany abhiratah ?”
Because the bottom line is action in DVD, not the secular world of demons and sudras. Most of them looking for sannyasa are sudra or vaisya at best and completely unqualified to begin with.
A brahmana can NOT act sufficiently in his varna if he HAS to work like a sudra all day just to have a roof over his head. IS-A-CON has no place for real brahmanas nor do the so-called Prabhupada men.
you Prabhupada men build Disneyland in the dhama(a sudra/vaisya act) while brahmanas/ksatriyas are working as sudras just to maintain a simple life. All the time the leadership ignores Prabhupada’s DEMAND to divide the society into varnas and asramas.
you(‘Nuga’s) are no better than The ‘Con you attempt to supplant. I said it in Vrndavan at the BIG BIG IRG meeting in 19998 to Madhu(on the phone) and the rest that were there then. And I say it now, repetitiously for the last 40 yrs..
If you do not divide by guna and karma for the purposes of actual Vedic culture then you misrepresent Prabhupada’s books and vani.
Please re-read the Bhagavad-gita as a ‘how to DVD’ book
pamho agtACSP
Varnasramacaravata purusena parah puman visnuraradhyate pantha nanyat tat tosa karakah (visnu purana 3.8.9), there is not another way to satisfy the supreme personality of godhead SRI KRSNA BHAGAVAT than performing the own duty properly. For example the sudra also can satisfy god by performing his duty nicely as happen to hari candra a sudra servant of VISVAMITRA MUNI a nitya siddha of SRI RAMACANDRA. Hari candra was preparing the vyasasana seat for VISVAMITRA MUNI every morning afternoon and evening and his guru was satisfied about his good service and asked him, I’m satisfied with your humble service therefore you can ask me whatever you want, and haricandra by being a sudra asked to his guru material enjoyment but as soon as hari candra was trying to go to indraloka by the blessing of his guru as soon as lord indra was pushing him down to bhumi loka again because indra could see from the reflection of haricandra that he was a sudra, then hari candra went back to his guru and told him what’s happened,so VISVAMITRA MUNI created another indraloka and told to haricandra you can go there now to enjoy nobody will kick you out. Lord indra start to complain by saying i can’t do the seva of two indraloka.
Anyway in the same way if all the gbc could do their service as haricandra did for his guru by letting SRILA PRABHUPADA to lead all the f-iskcon temples by cleaning HIS vyasasana nicely three times daily then SRILA PRABHUPADA will speak from their mouth straight away from the vyasasana, but they don’t do it that’s why most of the time just rubbish come out from their mouths by sitting on the vyasasana of the own guru instead of letting HIM to speak. Actually all the gbc are not better then haricandra i mean all of them got sudra background history less then haricandra, haricandra is been more lucky then them by getting the satsanga and seva of VISVAMITRA MUNI. Of course all the kalo sudra society of nowadays got a better chance in this dark age through the causeless mercy of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA but they are not doing their duty properly as SRILA PRABHUPADA told to everyone to do at the time of HIS physical departure from this world, and the sastra says that to do the duty of someone else is worst karma better they act as sudra by performing their duty nicely instead of doing the guru by keeping jumping on the instructions of SRILA PRABHUPADA.
agtSP ys haribol
In reply to the questions for which the answer is ” to become artificially Gurus or Sannyasi ” already there in my comments for a Labha, Puja and Prathistha, Raja Caturbahu das Bakti gives out of context explanation contradicting his very own comments.
For example he says ; ” A brahmana can NOT act sufficiently in his varna if he HAS to work like a sudra all day just to have a roof over his head. IS-A-CON has no place for real brahmanas nor do the so-called Prabhupada men.”
A qualified Brahmna performs his duty as a Brahmana by educating people in the Science of KC and performing Samkirtana Yajna. He does not work as a Sudra all day just to have roof over his head as you wrote. That person is indeed not a qualified Brahmana. The qualified Brahmana does not worry to maintain his bodily necessities which are provided by the Lord some how. So where is the question of a qualified Brahmana to work as a Sudra all day just to have roof over his head. That is a misrepresentation, misleading and it is contradictory to Srila Prabhupada’s Books and VANI.
Isn’t it, Raja Caturbahu das Bhakti ?
As for building a theme park of Disneyland in the Dhama, the qualified people according to the Varnas can be engaged as per their natural ability to educate people in the science of KC. Why not,
Where is the need to line up to become artificially Gurus or Sannyasi or Brahmana ?
Therefore, a Sane minded personality does not write as such ;
” you(‘Nuga’s) are no better than The ‘Con you attempt to supplant. I said it in Vrndavan at the BIG BIG IRG meeting in 19998 to Madhu(on the phone) and the rest that were there then. And I say it now, repetitiously for the last 40 yrs.. ”
Hope it meets you well, Raja Caturbahu das Bhakti.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.