Jan 24, 2013, USA, PADA: Suddadvaiti swami was (we are told) formerly Jayantakrt dasa, an ISKCON member. I remember writing him some years ago when he was interested in perhaps joining GAURA GOVINDA MAHARAJA’s camp with our Prabhupadanuga idea. He originally favored our idea to a large extent, then he suddenly broke off and joined the Gaudiya Matha camp of Narayana Maharaja / Jadurani DD.]
Suddhadvaiti Swami: “I will not attend the Gour Purnima festival this year. The recommendation of the sannyasi board was met by TM [Tirtha Maharaja] with scorn. He answered to it by an obnoxious letter, where he is trying to “turn the tables around” against us. If a “big big sannyasi / preacher / acharya” can get away with year after year of groping at women’ breasts, buttocks or / and genitals and still remain a sannyasi, a guru (acharya), and lead the parikramas, I don’t want no part in this masquerade. Since we don’t have any executive power to enforce anything, I have resigned from the sannyasi board. Sorry.”
[PADA: Tritha Maharaja is recognized as the current acharya successor to Krishna and Narayana Maharaja in the Jadurani dd preaching program, which begs the question, what kind of gurus is the Jadurani program promoting here? Jadurani said she left ISKCON because they are promoting bogus gurus (which they were doing all through the late 1980s and early 1990s under the “guidance” of Narayana Maharaja).
Now she joined the NM program that is apparently doing the same exact thing as the GBC gurus, promoting false gurus? What is her public explanation of all this? Why does she continue to promote the NM program, knowing it is promoting deviants as the Lord’s guru successors (which is an insult to the real successors).
And since Suddhadvaita says there is no Governing Body to control these renegade messiahs, is this not exactly what has happened in ISKCON, the GBC has no powers over their bogus messiahs? When is Jadurani going to explain all this, of course she has never explained why NM supported the bogus GBC guru program and why NM was their “rasika advisor”?
Or do the people in the NM camp not know that promoting women abusers as messiahs is not bona fide? Or what is the real problem here? Can someone explain? ys pd]
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ABOUT BV SUDDHAVAIT MAHARAJA:
Sripad BV Suddhadvaiti Maharaja
Email: guydebelle@ymail.com
Biography
Maharaja was born as Guy Bouchié de Belle in 1953 in an ancient French, aristocratic family, with the title of Baron. From a young age he wanted to become a catholic priest, but starting the practice of yoga at 14 made him turn eastwards for his spiritual development. He studied and practiced Buddhism, then kriya-yoga in India, before taking up the path of bhakti in 1973. He received diksa initiation in 1974 under the name Jayantakrid das from Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, of whom he is one of the most senior French disciples.
He studied closely for 10 years under his beloved siksa-guru, Srila Gour Govinda Swami, the foremost disciple of Srila Prabhupada. Since Srila Gour Govinda Swami’s departure from this world in 1996, he has taken siksa from Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja, who nicknamed him Jayanta-Krishna.In March 2008 after thirty five years of practice and study on the path of bhakti, he received from Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja the renounced order of sannyasa and the name Bhaktivedanta Suddhadvaiti Swami.
Maharaja’s vast knowledge and long experience in teaching allows him to present the most esoteric subjects of the ancient wisdom of India in a way both captivating and easily understandable by his audience. His humor, friendly, empathic nature and deep knowledge of human psychology help make his presentation easy to catch. In his past ashram, Maharaja was head of a large family and can relate to the various challenges of practicing bhakti-yoga in family life in this modern era. Practiced in communication skills and EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique), he is always available for individual counseling, workshops and seminars.
He is presently finishing his PhD thesis in philosophy.
In 1977, Gaudiya-matha leaders knew that those 11 were not appointed by Prabhupada to function as diksha-guru. This was later on testified by BV Puri Maharaja.
What they also knew is how within their own camp after 1936 dozens of false gurus have killed the reputation of Gaudiya-matha in India.
But still, they purposefully would lure Western neophyte Vaishnavas on to destruction by telling them to consider those legendary eleven as bona fide diksha-gurus.
Tricky side-effect, they would assert their innocence – it was Prabhupada not us, who appointed those eleven.
As a result in series people lost faith in Prabhupada and even agreed for reinitiation. Now 35 years later we read, Krishna devi dasi: Yesterday I felt SO depressed, SO down, SO BLAAAAHHH….
These devotees are simply fleeced and told to live in Vrindavana, “you are situated in pure love of God” – but actually are still on the level to work according daivi varnasrama.
Basically thats present Gaudiya-matha, no book distribution, no preaching, and all devotees believe they are above uttama at paramahamsa platform. Syamarani dd recently: I stopped painting, I have no more desire to paint.
Therefore kali-yuga is advancing rapidely and after some time these devotees glide back into maya. And because one is not in complete perfection, there is chance of coming down. And this is happening.
Therefore the so-called religious system which is full of matsarata, jealousy, that is called kaitava-dharma, cheating in the name of religion. Vimukta-manina, artificially thinking, ‘I have become liberated’.
Hare Krishna prabhu, pranams. All glories to our saviour, Jagad-guru Srila Prabhupada, and to all his sincere followers.
Since you’re asking for some explanation, here is my 2 cents worth: I have a different take on Srila Narayana Maharaja’s association with Iskcon leaders. First, he didn’t associate with all but only a few who approached him with questions on higher subject matters that they couldn’t properly answer to their own disciples. Maharaja was not their “rasika advisor” but was teaching them what they were supposed to know as gurus. If one reads his teachings, one can see he always strongly opposed bogus gurus; He certainly didn’t condone the leaders promoting gurus and they were not doing this under his guidance. At that time, himself was not initiating, only his acarya Godbrother did, and he didn’t want to create any confusion or difficulty for Prabhupada’s movement, which, by the way, he saved from Prabhupada’s son who claimed Iskcon as the heritage of his father. So he was directing Iskcon members who approached him for initiation to the Iskcon gurus. That’s the only thing you could really accuse him of in you’re in accusation mode.
BV Tirtha is not recognized as his successor as he didn’t leave any successor, and we’re not promoting anyone as a guru. The sannyasis have been told that they can start accepting disciples if they wish, with the idea of bringing them to a more highly advanced sadhu when he’ll manifest.
As far as “all Gaudiya math devotees thinking they’re above uttama at paramahamsa paltform”, I have no idea where Rukmini Ramana dd is getting that from. Not from the IPBYS (International pure bhakti society) of Srila Narayana Maharaja, where book distribution is going on more and more.
Dear Suddhadvaiti Swami,
you wrote: “The sannyasis have been told that they can start accepting disciples if they wish, with the idea of bringing them to a more highly advanced sadhu when he’ll manifest.”
Will you please explain what exactly it is that a sannyasi would need to bring his disciple to a more advanced sadhu for?
Thank you.
ys
Bhakta Mark
No one has ever answered my question, why does Narayana Maharaja say we are all monkeys, at the same time, 11 of us are gurus? No wonder then, after NM personally invited me to his ashram, he then avoided seeing me for 10 hours, and he cancelled our meeting four times, then he left the property out the back door. Apparently, he was afraid of my first question as well. ys pd http://youtu.be/Wd2cIJc8Mxo
Dear Mark, pranams
Both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Narayana Maharaja consistently and constantly preached that the guru should ideally be an uttama-bhagavata devotee. But, given the rarity of such exalted souls and seeing the dire need of our world for spiritual guides, they also both indicated that a madhyama-adhikari could accept disciples, while pointing at his limitations in his power to deliver the “transcendental necessities”. The solution lies in approaching later a more advanced siksa-guru who will supply whatever the diksa-guru couldn’t. In other words, one of the gurus must be an uttama-adhikari, either the diksa-guru, either the siksa-guru. If you’re interested, I have written a small book on guru-tattva, which you can get on my facebook page, going at “about”, then scroll down the arrow next to “about” and go down to “Notes”.
Sudhaddhadvaiti swami: Both Srila Prabhupada and Srila Narayana Maharaja consistently and constantly preached that the guru should ideally be an uttama-bhagavata devotee. But, given the rarity of such exalted souls and seeing the dire need of our world for spiritual guides, they also both indicated that a madhyama-adhikari could accept disciples, while pointing at his limitations in his power to deliver the “transcendental necessities.”
[PD: Srila Prabhupada had just got finished saying that his disciples are not even fit for sannyasa, and that they are barely even kanisthas in January of 1977. He said a person who follows all the brahminical standards is a kanistha, and his disciples are — not following, hence they are not yet kanisthas.
This is a well known fact: The GBC are clearly not yet kanisthas — because they were consistently falling into illicit sex all along from 1967-1977. Why would this process magically stop in 1977?
In March 1978 the GBC said: We are uttama, i.e. Vishnupada, Tirthapada, Gurupada, Acharyapada and so on, and Narayana Maharaja was asked about their (clearly over the top) nomenclature by Jayadvaita swami, “how are the God brothers going to see the 11 as nikunja yuno rati keli siddhas” (servants of Radha — uttama), and NM said the God brothers may not see them that way, but the newcomers must see them that way. So NM was saying the 11 are fit to be worshiped as uttama, nikunja yuno, of course that also means they can absorb sins like Jesus and so forth.
At the same time NM was saying Srila Prabhupada told him ALL of us (including the 11) are monkeys, and he needs to help us monkeys. So NM was saying the 11 monkeys are fit to be worshiped as nikunja juno. The question is, why are monkeys fit to be worshiped as nikunja yuno, and none of the NM folks ever answered this since 1978, and NM fled the scene after he invited me over because he could not answer that point himself.
Later on, NM surrendered to our idea, he said the GBC gurus are worse than kanisthas, because he finally agreed with us, about 15 years later, after he had helped create all the banning, beating, molesting and murders etc. by his endorsing the GBC as nikunja gurus in the first place.
Madhyama means anartha nrvritti and so forth, none of the GBC had that quality, and this is what Srila Prabhupada said to NM at least according to NM, they are ALL monkeys. So NM was saying, yes they are all monkeys, and so 11 monkeys needed to be worshiped as nikunja yuno. That means NM thinks monkeys are fit to be worshiped as servants of Radha, they are not.]
Sudhaddhadvaiti swami: The solution lies in approaching later a more advanced siksa-guru who will supply whatever the diksa-guru couldn’t. In other words, one of the gurus must be an uttama-adhikari, either the diksa-guru, either the siksa-guru. If you’re interested, I have written a small book on guru-tattva, which you can get on my facebook page, going at “about”, then scroll down the arrow next to “about” and go down to “Notes”.
[PADA: This is the shiksha that NM has been giving us, we need to worship the 11 monkeys as nikunya yuno servants of Radharani. And he was also saying we Prabhupada-ites are poison and bogus because we said, monkeys are not nikunja yuno. And because he was calling us poison, we were being banned, beaten and assassinated. ys pd]
Wow …….. Sudhaddhadvaiti swami says : The solution lies in approaching later a more advanced siksa-guru who will supply whatever the diksa-guru couldn’t. In other words, one of the gurus must be an uttama-adhikari, either the diksa-guru, either the siksa-guru. If you’re interested, I have written a small book on guru-tattva, which you can get on my facebook page, going at “about”, then scroll down the arrow next to “about” and go down to “Notes”.
This Swami looks like as if he is fully loaded in defence to maintain his position of WANNA BE GURU at all different angles of guru tattva which can be read at his facebook page as he advertises in his comments.
A madhyama-adhikari is always free from all material desire, a spot less personality who can accept the disciples. Yes, with this qualification, one may accept the disciples IF only s/he is authorized by the bona fide Spiritual Master.
Le me ask this question to Swami ji, who is that person both in the deviated Iskcon and in the different Gaudiya Maths present giving such Siksha and Diksha as there is no different between the two ?
I find this statement of Swamiji is very much misleading when he says ; ” The solution lies in approaching later a more advanced siksa-guru who will supply whatever the diksa-guru couldn’t.”
As we understand from the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada says many times that the Siksha Guru later becomes the Diksha Guru.
I wonder why this Swami is misleading by twisting and turning the simple statement of Srila Prabhupada about the Guru ?
This is Kali Yuga. EVERY BODY WANNA BE A GURU to accept disciples, for WHAT ?
Profit – Adoration – Distinction which is subtle most disease in cultivating Spiritual Life.
That is why Srila Prabhupada has said many times please distribute, distribute, distribute the BOOKS as much as we can in order to propagate the Samkirtan Movement all over the world. His transcendental Books give Siksha and thus Srila Prabhupada is the Perfect Siksha Guru and becomes the Diksha Guru for ten of thousands of years to come as per His Intructions.
All other gurus are but BIKSHA GURUS searching for disciples to simply satisfy their desire of WANNA BE A GURU. That is all. It is that simple.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.
YS………. Amar Puri.
Another follower of NM was having a dispute with me over “the origin of the jiva” recently. I said, Srila Prabhupada has stated that we all — originated in Krishna’s lila or sport. He said, that is not what Srila Prabhupada said, ever. And he said this idea is totally bogus and wrong, because according to NM — we were never with Krishna.
So I showed him the specific quote, as well as some similar quotes, and he simply erased the comments from Srila Prabhupada, and then he blocked me, and he has never replied further.
Correct me if I am wrong here but, there seems to me a general lack of answering points going on here? And why would we seek “shiksha” from persons who totally disagree with Srila Prabhupada on important issues like this? And why would someone simply erase a whole series of quotes from Srila Prabhupada like this, and deny and defy his statements? This is merely and example of what we are experiencing here, repeatedly. Never mind NM himself invited me over and then would not see me, this all seems like a pattern here. ys pd
Captain obvious strikes again! When talking like above to followers of GM / Narayana Swami they immediately quit and are never seen again.
So whats happening here is that personal relationship is considered as more powerful than sastric evidence.
All of GM and leaders of Narayana Swami teach that whatever happened within ISKCON’s guru system might be this or that outwardness. Real cause they conclude, is, Prabhupada. “Through Narayana Swami I learned who is Prabhupada.” That’s there attitude. There are secondary causes of all those fall-downs, prime cause is Prabhupada’s insufficient guidance.
So de facto this is guru-tyaga, rejecting one’s spiritual master on the basis of dealing superficially with the whole topic. This is cemented by all those senior ex-ISKCONites who lost their faith in Srila Prabhupada.
Of course, when having recently their major leader, Sripad Tirtha Maharaja falling down this is discussed behind closed doors and you won’t hear any further update.
I was sent your article about me by a friend, so I responded to it. But I can see by your answers that you are just interested in slander and argument, for which I have no time nor taste, so we’re having a communication breakdown.
Maybe you can use this piece of advice from a departed Vaisnava sadhu, “Trying to prove that guru and Vaiṣṇavas are at fault, making them stand in trial as the accused, can never be of benefit to the practicing, beginner devotee. By doing so, one will fall from one’s spiritual practice and imprison oneself in the worst possible position, with no other destination. Sādhakas must therefore put great care and effort into relinquishing all offences to Vaiṣṇavas, and try thereafter to properly perform hari-bhajana.” (Srila Vamana Goswami)
Dear BV Suddhadvaiti Maharaja, do you have an answer to the paper that my wife, Urmila Devi Dasi, wrote a few years ago entitled Understanding Narayana Maharaja via his own words and deeds?:
http://july9th.allalla.com/ISKCON_stuff/Gurus_GBC_leaders/NM/Paper_of_NM.doc
Also, you are obviously trying to silence your critics by using the following quote:
But you wrote:
Therefore, according to you, it’s all right for you to try “to prove that guru and Vaiṣṇavas are at fault,” but it’s not all right for others to do so?
Narayana Maharaja is the person who was saying that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 “monkeys” (NM’s own words) as — Radha and Krishna’s intimate “nikunya yuno rati keli siddha” acharyas. Whether or not we all agree that this apa-siddhanta is an insult or not, NM’s bogus 11 rati keli siddhas have certainly ruined ISKCON and ruined the lives of thousands of devotees, that we cannot dispute at all.
If this is not an insult to Srila Prabhupada, what is it then? NM is de fact saying that Srila Prabhupada can not discriminate between monkeys and nikunya yuno acharyas, so he appointed 11 monkeys as Lord Krishna’s successor acharyas. NM said (a) the 11 are monkeys, and therefore (b) the 11 have to be worshiped as nikunya yuno siddhas. That sounds like an insult, and it is either that, or an extremely foolish misconception arising from severe ignorance.
This is without a doubt an insult to Radha and Krishna directly: NM’s saying that monkeys have to be worshiped as the perfected nikunya yuno siddhas and acharya representatives of Radha and Krishna is a direct attack on Radha and Krishna. Anyone who says monkeys are the worshiped nikunja yuno rati keli siddha servants of Radha and Krishna has already fallen from Hari Bhajan, he is already condemned. The people who are saying monkeys are acharyas (like the babajis) are already at the bottom of the barrel, anyone who supports that apa-siddhanta has already fallen to the bottom. And allowing these mis-conceptions implicates us in the offense if we do not protest. ys pd
It seems like Sudhaddhadvaiti swami is running out of the solutions as he appears to be proposed to the problem of WANNA BE A GURU which he and his associates have created within the Spiritual community all over the world to satisfy their whimsical desire in the dress of Vaishnava.
A true genuine Vaishnava is free from all material desires and yet he quotes the scripture to safe guard his and his guru associates position as a Vaishnava. What a shame ………..
This Swami has lots of questions to himself to answer before he addresses any of the issue under lying in the discussion and I wonder if he ever is going to answer these questions as is asked for.
Here is piece of advice from the scripture we learn that it is better to practise meek and humbleness without acquiring any of the position when someone is UNQUALIFIED.
That is the safest position. Hope it satisfies to the Readers including this Swamiji.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.
YS….. Amar Puri.
No one from the NM camp has any clue why monkeys are not rati keli acharyas? Why do we never get an answer to the most simple points of siddhanta? Any five years old child knows, monkeys are not messiahs? Why is it like pulling teeth to get an agreement on the most basic of siddhanta points? Every time we ask this question, the NM people are simply, baffled? ys pd