Ramesvara, June 3, 1976, Los Angeles: […] But then again he argues like this, he says, “The living entity cannot do anything without the sanction of God. So I am desiring certain sinful activities, but why is Krishna sanctioning it?”
Prabhupada: Krishna does not sanction.
Ramesvara: Then how is it going on?
Prabhupada: But you insist, so Krishna, in disgust, says, “All right, do at your own risk. You rascal. You will not hear Me.” That’s all. I have given this example many times, that my son wanted to touch the table fan. Did I say it?
Ramesvara: I never heard it.
Prabhupada: Oh, so, when he was only two years old, so the table fan was running, and the child, he wants to touch it. So I am: “No, don’t touch.” So, and he was…. So there was another friend, he was a doctor. He said that “Slow the speed and let him touch.” So I did it. So he touched, “Tung.” (sound imitation) Then I said, “Touch again?” “No!” (laughter) So it is like that.
Ramesvara: Oh. It is actually Krishna’s mercy…
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ramesvara: …that He allows Him to feel the pain.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hari-sauri: Purifies his desires.
Pusta Krsna: But he doesn’t have to feel the pain if he’s obedient.
Ramesvara: If he insists.
Prabhupada: He gives instruction. Just like I said, “Don’t touch. It will hurt your finger. It is not good.” “No, no.” “So all right, touch.”
Pusta Krsna: You mentioned that the more intelligent person can become obedient by hearing. The less intelligent person has to see, suffer.
Prabhupada: By practical experience. Dekhe sekhe thekhe sekhese. Tekhe sekhese means he’s a fool. Unless he comes to the actual position, he does not learn. And therefore sastra-caksus—one who follows the sastra’s instruction, he is safe. That is experienced already. (end) Full Conversation
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