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BY SABHAPATI DAS
Apr 11, 2013 — AUSTRALIA Sampradaya Sun
Ramai Swami, All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
After Prabhavishnu fell down and it was revealed that he had been cheating not only his disciples but the entire Australian yatra, what did you do Ramai Swami? The answer is that you did absolutely nothing. You made no attempt to console Prabhavishnu’s disciples, who are still in a state of confusion and shock. And you did nothing to appease the devotees in the Australian Yatra. As usual, you employed your normal tactic of avoiding the issue and hoping that in due course of time the problem would just go away.
I called a meeting so that these issues could be discussed in an open forum. But as is your despotic style, I was asked to vacate the farm because I called an illegal meeting that was never approved by you. This has been your tyrannical style of management for the past 20 years. Not engaging in any transparency or consultation with older experienced devotees, you have ruled with an iron fist. Typical of any tyrant, you have empowered your position by surrounding yourself with cronies and nepotism. The result being that the Australian yatra is a complete mess and there is widespread disillusionment amongst the devotees.
It is appalling that you have never made any attempt to console disciples after Prabhavishnu’s falldown. Actually, sitting in the comfort of your holiday condo on the Gold Coast, you made no attempt to do anything. The below letter published by one of Prabhavishnu’s disciples I believe, shows that he and many others are completely devastated and that their spiritual lives are virtually finished.
I put it to you Ramai Swami, what have you ever done for these devotees? Parama Karuna das told me you spoke briefly to him for a couple of minutes after Prabhavishnu’s departure. That was it. But this is how you have neglected all the devotees for years. As a so-called Swami and as a GBC you should show compassion to devotees. Over the past few years you have become completely withdrawn from associating with the devotees to such an extent that you even avoid them.
It is not good that you live on your own in Surfers Paradise and do so little. No one sees you for days at a time, you rarely visit any temple, and obviously your sadhana is poor. With the total collapse of the Brisbane Temple, caused by your mate Tirtharaja, why have you not gone there and tried to save the situation? Gunarnava Prabhu and his good wife stepped in to help out, but they felt completely discouraged by your lack of interest. It is a fact that the Brisbane devotees are disillusioned by your disregard for the crisis that is ongoing.
What is going on with Aniruddha in Melbourne temple? He has taken a leave of absence for so long now, apparently he is suffering from depression. I wonder why? Why hasn’t he been replaced as the Temple President? What are these accusations of him abusing women and children all about? There must be something going on, as an investigation was carried out by the CPO. But as is your way, everyone has been kept in the dark. But where there is smoke there is fire.
The complete fiasco of the Wwoofer program on the Murwillumbah farm is indicative of your consciousness. Why do you and your mate Vena Gopal allow these feral Wwoofers to regularly and continually break the regulative principles? Did you approve giving the Wwoofers double beds so they could enjoy their sex life? Did you approve the designated smoking area? When I complained about this nonsense, why did you not endorse Srila Prabhupada’s standards? Why have these ferals been allowed to eat meat on New Govardhana?
You should be honest with yourself. Stop your arrogance and understand that you are facing big problems in this zone. You should undergo deep introspection and realise that your management style is the source of many problems. For 20 years you have bullied the devotees and it has to stop. If not soon, there will be no one left. A lot of devotees that were bullied by you served on your bus or as your servant, and are coming forward with horrific stories of how you psychologically abused them. Especially through the art of character assassination that you have become adroit at. Many of these devotees now resent you, and in the future some may threaten to sue you.
Nothing has really happened in the Australian Yatra for 20 years. Certainly no new centers have been established and the preaching has mainly been in-house. Apart from the Indian disporia, virtually no local men are joining the temples. Why haven’t you implemented a plan to increase the preaching? I myself am very worried about the future of the movement in Australia as I see that there is very little training of future leaders in the temples. So it’s time for a change. You should do the right thing and resign. The Australian devotees are crying out for change and it will only come about if you resign. If you do resign and stop your politicking you may even gain a modicum of respect and dignity from the devotees once again.
As a spokesperson on behalf of many of my godbrothers, godsisters and devotees,
Your servant,
Sabhapati das
Copied letter:
Hare Krishna SG,
recently some members of my family and several friends were abandoned by their guru after worshiping him for 20 and even 30 years. I’m interested to know how you would explain the following, as I’m needing a little help consoling them:
Should they go back to using their karmi names, (after all they are no longer initiated devotees)?
Have they wasted the best years of their lives?
How do they get their money back? (A church cannot accept donations from members based on false pretense or deception)
Has Prabhupada accepted their service?
On that last point, if you say Prabhupada HAS accepted their service all along (which is exactly what our GBC told us when our guru ran away with the woman and the money) then you’re supporting Ritvik no? BUT, if you say “No Prabhupada cannot receive your service, this is a bogus idea”, then you’re saying they just wasted 20 or 30 years serving a fake, and are now RIGHT BACK AT THE POINT THEY STARTED,… Tom, Julie, John, Mel, etc, etc. Do you suggest they start over again and bow down to another ISKCON guru who they also have no idea what might be going on in his heart? (Oh by the way, some devotees from my country are onto their third and even forth guru, so they may need some convincing).
I admire that you are willing to stand up for what YOU accept as right, but your system seems to have a pretty grim reality. Anyway I look forward to some words of enlightenment to brighten the very dark days these sincere devotees are going through after they took a gamble on guru and lost.
Dear devotees of Australasia, please send all your loss amount to Sampradaya Sun, Rocana das, biggest supporter and apologist of ISKCON’s false guru program.
From begin with, ca 12 years ago, Rocana’s Sampradaya Sun teaches to reject the bon fide guru Srila Prabhupada and instead have neophyte apprentices who not only befoul the reputation of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement but also cause tremendous financial loss for rank&file devotees.
Since Sampradaya Sun teaches that apprentice=master why not have Sampradaya Sun pay for all this damage? Instead Rocana not only supports in a massive scale to have “living gurus” he now seems to cash in on Australian devotees’ calamity.
” Actually, sitting in the comfort of your holiday condo on the Gold Coast,
you made no attempt to do anything.”
BY SABHAPATI DAS
Apr 11, 2013 — AUSTRALIA
Sampradaya Sun.
If the above article is true then this Ramai swami is a big time rascal.
How did this rascal Ramai Swami manage to afford a holiday home at
Surfers Paradise and living a comfortable karmi life and still be a GBC
of Iskcon and a sannyasi? What does he do there. Its maya’s haven.
Are the people in GBC sleeping. What is suppose to be the GBC members
spiritual standard. Become a leader of a spiritual Society and live off the
devotees earning. Is this how this Ramai so call Swami could afford to have
a holiday home and live comfortably while the devotees in the Australian Yatra
suffer. The devotees are people too. Look at this fellow Ramai swami profile
given at the OFFICAL WEBSITE of the GOVERNING BODY COMMISSION
of ISKCON SOCIETY. The profile of a living bogus spiritual rascal. The GBC
has openly dispalyed for all to see what bogus living spiritual rascal they
keep in their company.
RAMAI SWAMI
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Ramai Swami was born in Alexandria, Egypt, but grew up in Australia when his
parents moved there when he was 4 years old, and studied music at The Royal
Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT). He came in contact with ISKCON by
reading a Back To Godhead magazine belonging to a friend from the university.
His interest in the spiritual content was awakened and he began to associate
with devotees regularly. After some time he joined as a full time member and
was initiated by Srila Prabhupada in Melbourne in 1973. Ramai Swami spent his
formative years in ISKCON in the Brisbane and Melbourne temples, and later
headed bus programs, traveling to cities and towns and sharing Krishna consciousness
all over the Australian continent. He took sannyasa vows in Mayapur, India,
in 1982. A big contributor to Australasia through his kirtans and classes,
he is appreciated by many for his amiable nature.
Ramai Swami’s background in leadership began as vice temple president in
Auckland from 1974 to 1976 and continued as temple president in Adelaide,
Melbourne, and the New Govardhana Farming Community from 1976 to 1986.
He acted as Regional Secretary in Queensland from 1983 to 1986. After
another stint on the Traveling Bus Program from 1986 to 1990, Ramai Swami
became temple president in Sydney from, 1990 to 1992, and at the same time
he served as National Secretary for Australia and New Zealand.
In 1995 Ramai Swami became a member of the GBC. His zonal assignments have
included Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands,
New Caledonia, Vanuatu, Indonesia, and Mayapur. Furthermore, Ramai Swami
serves on the Parallel Lines of Authority and the Organizational Development
committees with the aim of improving the organizational strength of the GBC
and thus the whole movement. Other positions of responsibility he has occupied
are two terms on the executive committee and two terms as chairman of the GBC
CAN WE CONSIDER THIS RASCAL RAMAI SWAMI A SANNYASI, IN A RENOUNCED ORDER OF LIFE TO BE A CHEATER AND CHEATING THE AUSTRALIAN YATRA AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC? YES! YES! YES! WE CAN. AND WHAT IS THE GBC DOING ABOUT IT. NOTHING. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MORE THAN A YEAR NOW. ALL THE RASCALS LEADERS GET TOGETHER TO COVER ANOTHER RASCAL LEADER. TYPICAL ISKCON/GBC PHILOSOPHY. PEOPLE, DON’T GET DUPED BY THAT PROFILE OF HIS.
HARE KRSNA
ISKCON GOVERNING BODY COMMISSION SOCIETY
Registration Number S/74662 under the West Bengal Societies
Registration Act, 1961
P.O. Shree Mayapur Dham, Dist. Nadia, West Bengal 741313
MINUTES OF THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEETINGS
SRI MAYAPUR DHAM, 2012
311. PRABHAVISNU DAS’ RESIGNATION.
Part One: Resignation
Whereas in a letter to the GBC Body dated January 7 2012, Prabhavisnu Das
stated as follows: “I have resigned from all positions of leadership within
ISKCON, including GBC member, sannyasa and initiating guru;”
And whereas the GBC Body wishes to record these resignations while looking
forward to the future active participation of Prabhavisnu Das in ISKCON as
he is able:
RESOLVED:
The GBC accepts Prabhavisnu Das’s resignation as stated above.
Those devotees initiated by Prabhavisnu Das continue to be connected to
Srila Prabhupada and our entire Vaisnava parampara.
Part Two: Guidance
Whereas Prabhavisnu Das has expressed loyalty to Srila Prabhupada, ISKCON and
the GBC;
Whereas Prabhavisnu Das has expressed his determination to continue spiritual
practices;
Whereas the ISKCON society offers its appreciation for his many years of pioneering
and dedicated devotional service to the mission of spreading Krsna consciousness in
many places around the world:
RESOLVED:
That the GBC Body offers the following as a statement of guidance:
All devotees who have taken initiation from Prabhavisnu Das are encouraged to remain
in ISKCON association and continue with their services in Krsna consciousness and to
pray for Prabhavisnu Das’s continued engagement in devotional service.
Prabhavisnu Das is still available to them, according to his statement: “If any of you
would like to keep in touch and write me by e-mail from to time to time I will be happy
to answer and give you any encouragement that I can. Not so much in the official role
of a guru giving siksa to disciples but rather as a friend and well-wisher.”
Thus, they are encouraged to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and siksa gurus or other
senior devotees as per their faith. One’s faith is nourished by hearing the revealed
scriptures from Vaisnavas.
Part Three: Reaching Out
Whereas it is incumbent upon the management of the ISKCON society to arrange for
personal guidance and direction to disciples and others affected by the recent
resignation of Prabhavisnu Das:
RESOLVED:
That all Zonal Secretaries, either personally or via suitable deputed representatives,
including senior disciples of Prabhavisnu Das, should make it their urgent
priority to ensure that all disciples and others affected by the recent resignation
of Prabhavisnu Das, collectively and individually, including in remote areas, are
offered suitable care and guidance on an on-going basis. All Zonal Secretaries must
send monthly reports of their progress to the EC until the situation in their zones
has normalised. The GBC Corresponding Secretary shall ensure that these reports are
received on a prompt and on-going basis.
If anyone requires further clarification and/or support, or if they know of disciples
in remote areas who may require support, they may write to GBCEC.secretary@gmail.com.
SG — APPOINTING ( HIRING ) , TERMINATING (SACKING), ACCEPTING
RESIGNATION ( GIVING UP ) IS THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR
KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS CONCEPT OF A SPIRITUAL MASTER COMING IN
LINE OF THE GAUDIYA SAMPRADAYA. IS THIS CORRECT? IS THERE ANY
RELEVANT SASTRIC EVIDENCE FROM SASTRA, SADHU, GURU THAT SUCH A
PRACTICE IS ACCEPTABLE OR IS THIS ANOTHER CONCOCTION IN THIS AGE
OF HYPOCRISY AND IGNORANCE? DID THE DEVOTEES IN THEIR SOCIETY
(ISKCON) ASKED SUCH QUESTIONS BEFORE TAKING INITIATION FROM SUCH
SO CALLED GURUS? IF THEY DID NOT AND LATER GET INTO DIFFICULTIES
WHO IS TO BLAME? PURANJANA DASA AND OTHERS BEEN HIGHLIGHTING
AND EXPOSING THE NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES OF THESE ISKCON LEADERS
AND GURUS FOR YEARS IF ONLY THESE DEVOTEES HAVE TAKEN SOME NOTICE
OF IT AND SINCERELY INQUIRED BEFORE COMMITTING THEMSELVES TO SUCH
LEADERS AND GURUS, MANY WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH PREDICAMENT.
IN 1974, SRILA PRABHUPADA MADE A STATEMENT IN HIS BOOK THE
CAITANYA CARITAMIRTA, ADI LILA VOL.1 CHAPTER 1
TEXT 35, IN HIS WORDS:
“IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT A SERIOUS PERSON ACCEPT A BONA FIDE
SPIRITUAL MASTER IN TERMS OF THE SASTRIC INJUNCTIONS.
( Imperative – Of vital importance; necessary; crucial )
(Injunctions – a command, a directive, an authoritative
warning or order)
SRILA JIVA GOSVAMI ADVISES THAT ONE NOT ACCEPT A SPIRITUAL MASTER
IN TERMS OF HEREDITARY OR CUSTOMARY SOCIAL AND ECCLESIASTICAL
CONVENTIONS.
(Ecclesiastical – Of or relating to a church, especially as an
organized institution )
(Convention – a meeting or an assembly of persons, esp. of
delegates or representatives, to accomplish some specific object,
— civil, social, political, or ecclesiastical )
ONE SHOULD SIMPLY TRY TO FIND A GENUINELY QUALIFIED SPIRITUAL MASTER
FOR ACTUAL ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING.
IF THERE IS NO CHANCE TO SERVE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER DIRECTLY,
A DEVOTEE SHOULD SERVE HIM BY REMEMBERING HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S
INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF.”
SG — THIS IS SOMETHING ISKCON SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO INSTEAD OF
MISDIRECTING THE DEVOTEES AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY FOOLISHLY
PRACTICING GURU APPOINTMENT NONSENSE. ALL DEVOTEES IN ISKCON
SHOULD WAKE UP BEFORE ANOTHER “AUSTRALIAN YATRA” HAPPENS TO YOU
AND IT CAN HAPPEN. THERE ARE OVER 40+ GURU FALLEN REASONS IN ISKCON
TO PROVE THAT IT CAN HAPPEN. READ SRILA PRABHUPADA’S BOOKS CAREFULLY
AND SINCERELY ASCERTAIN YOUR UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT IS BEING SAID
AS IT IS THEN QUESTION YOUR TEMPLE PRESIDENTS, YOUR SO CALLED GURUS
AND THE GBC MEMBERS. ASK WHY GURU APPOINTMENTS. ASK WHERE IS THE
SASTRIC EVEIDENCE FROM SASTRA, SADHU AND GURU FOR SUCH PRACTICE.
IF NONE GIVEN THEN SIMPLY FOLLOW SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DIRECTIONS.
MAKE HIS BOOKS/VANI YOUR GUIDE. THE AIM AND GOAL OF A DEVOTEE
IS TO GO BACK HOME BACK TO GODHEAD TO THE SUPREME LORD
SRI KRSNA TO HIS ABODE IN GOLAKA VRINDAVAN. OTHERWISE WHAT IS
THE PURPOSE THEN FOR BECOMING HIS DEVOTEE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE
OF CHANTING THE HARE KRSNA MAHA MANTRA, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF
DOING DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. ASK ONESELF THESE QUESTIONS. DO NOT
FOLLOW BLINDLY AND THEN SCREAM MURDER.
Meantime what are the Iskcon leaders doing about the Australian Yatra? They have problems and they are highlighting their problems. Why are the Iskcons leaders not listening and not taking any action to resolve these problems? Simply passing resolutions like the one above while warming your chair, eating and getting fat will not solve their problems. ALL TALK BUT NO ACTION. Every year keep passing resolution giving the impression that you leaders are on top of things after which go back to sleep. DEVOTEES SUFFER. No worries. You still get served your three square meals a day. Very nice roof over your head and nice comfortable bed to sleep. Meantime DEVOTEES SUFFER. If you are wondering and quite blurry as to what is DEVOTEES SUFFERING go down and have a look at the Australian Yatra. THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
Australian Yatra if your Iskcon leaders don’t bother to come down to resolve your problems and issues, better to just leave Iskcon and its irresponsible leaders, do a brainstorming among yourselves, reorganize your management and just follow Srila Prabhupada’s vani – his books. There are others who are doing the same.
Just a suggestion if it helps.
HARE KRSNA.
Devotees who have been living within a Vaishnava institution for many years cannot possibly pack in their service and go somewhere else.
Former family ties are cut off and you won’t find a well-paid job at present toughness of the labor market. Being away from karmi jobs for many years usually results in not getting any job at all.
One mataji who’s guru left and who was kicked out of ISKCON rented a room at Radhakunda. She wrote that it is very hard living there but the idea of returning to her family and asking them for help is so bitter she’d rather die than endure the pain of such humiliation.
GBC knows about this psychological difficult situation of devotees who have given up everything for dedicating their lives in the service of Krishna-consciousness.
Therefore they basically do – nothing. They figure that these devotees are in precarious and helpless position so leave these devotee to their own devices. We have made it in the shade, GBC is exempt from liability thats in the smallprint. That is their intelligence.
Vincent James Fiorentino: That’s exactly what Srila Prabhupada said to me one afternoon in 1973. He was looking out his sitting room window in New Dwarka when I entered the room. He said almost casually, “Ultimately you have to fly your own airplane.”
Might be taken out of context by Srutakirti dasa, what we learned is that GBC is responsible for material and spiritual well-being of all devotees? (“We are in the experimental stage but in the next meeting of the GBC members they should form a constitution how the GBC members manage the whole affair.” [Letter to: Giriraja])
To cut to the chase, usually devotees immediately go there where there are temples and devotees. Never mind, GM, NM, BAP swami, this or that.
Thats why there are hardly any Prabhupadanugas all over Europe. As soon there is a temple like ISKCON Bangalore with projects and emerging markets they immediately join there.
Might be similar situation in Australia, therefore you don’t hear anything from 1500 ex-disciples of Prabhavishnu.
They are put to shame of having chosen a cheater and keep silent.