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Published on May 22, 2013
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In April of this year we started writing personal letters to Srila Prabhupada which we post on line after offering them to Srila Prabhupada to read first. My wife and I encourage this, one letter a month even if it is just a few lines reporting on your service and it can be kept private and not published. One question remains…”Where are all the letter written to Srila Prabhupada that inspired him to write back?
We are purchasing a nice padded folding metal chair for Srila Prabhupada to sit on ( I framed photo with garland) from time to time and watch us working in his backyard vegetable garden. Also this will be used by him to sit on in front of the deities.
He lives by his divine instructions and the follower lives with him.
Ys Hasti Gopala Dasa
These are Forwarded Messages – devotees may find interesting to read:
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From: hansadutta@hansadutta.com
To: vyasasana@gmail.com
Cc: pg1944@netzero.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Ramesvara
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:59:56 -0700
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:54:00 -0700
To: Diane Marie Chan
From: hansadutta@hansadutta.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ramesvara
Cc: james14959@yahoo.com,ccr2k@yahoo.com,vishnudutta5@gmail.com,pdhedemark@yahoo.com
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Dear Das, obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I was just reading our letter to Madhudvisa on Prabhupadanugas and noticed it did not have the link to the Court document reg. ” Works for hire ” … if possible forward that to them, or leave it on their comments thread…. whatever. It is really important for the public to see such things. They are like children who respond to visuals, like cartoons and simplified pictures.
The other thing that crossed my mind was to take all this material and put it into a small booklet, or magazine, like we did with PRABHUPADA HIS MOVEMENT AND YOU …. or maybe a designated web site dedicated exclusively to this matter, the basis of such a web page would be the court case of 1987-89, and all relative issues, or derivative issues.
this site would continue to magnify and clarify the fundamental issue of the Beneficiary raiding, converting and stealing Prabhupada’s trust property, then adulterating and passing off counter-fiat books as original ones. A great crime, and a great tragedy and spiritual offence. Tantamount to the betrayal of Jesus by his disciple Judas which resulted in the crucifying of Jesus Christ.
They are crucifying Srila Prabhupada, and that is the issue here CRUCIFYING THE SAMPRADAYA ACHARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA. This legal stand off has nothing to do with me, it is exclusively about the conflict between the demonic element and the divine element. IT IS THE PANDAVAS vs. THE KAURAVAS. This is the eternal never ending conflict in this material world. It is not even about Rameswara et al. it is the constant struggle of the divine and demoniac nature present in the heart of all conditioned souls in this material world, it has no end, unless one is completely purified in the FIRE OF ORDEAL. Yhe fire of devotional service under the lotus feet of the Pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada.
Please re-read the chapter- DIVINE AND DEMONIAC NATURE- Bhagavad gita, I am going to re – read it right now, after I finish this letter to you.
Devotees are very simple and so sometimes naive , it takes a long time for them to understand this simple point. It’s like the American Public has absolutely no understanding about money and financial principles. The do no respect and hold GOLD and SILVER,. they do not understand that LAND and COWS are the basis of economic wealth and well being.
As children naturally tend to trust their parents, and citizens trust their Government leaders, similarly ISKCON’S rank and file devotees tend to trust their leaders, they cannot see that they have become polluted and corrupt and are misleading the whole community of devotees away from Srila Prabhupada, over the cliff of WEALTH- ,WOMAN and PRESTIGE, LOVE- FRIENDSHIP and SOCIETY…….
The general population of ISKCON devotees do not understand these fundamental issues. I dare say that the BBT -_ International , look alike Fraud is more important than the BOOK Changes issue, and more important than the GURU – Rittvik – ISSUE.
The most important task at hand is to re – establish the LEGAL VALIDITY of Prabhupada’s BBT trust and it’s copyrights – as a LEGAL entity -,a completely separate legal entity from ISKCON. It’s like the LEGAL separation of STATE and CHURCH issue for the Karmies…. In this example , the BBT is like the STATE or RULING POWER and the ISKCON – INSTITUTION is LIKE THE CHURCH.
The church as an institution always becomes corrupt, but the ORIGINAL WRITINGS OF THE FOUNDER ACHARYAS ( Lord Brahma , Vyasa deva, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu etc. ) CANNOT BE CORRUPTED. There are of course many corrupted Bible translations, but somewhere there is the ORIGINAL UNADULTERATED TEXT.
Therefore Prabhupada said when appointing me as a BBT trustee ” THE DEVOTEES MAY FAIL- THE TEMPLES MAY FAIL – BUT MY BOOKS WILL LIVE FORE EVER “. I did not understand why he said this at the time ( 1974 ) but now it is perfectly clear. It is unavoidable that the Institution will be corrupted , that was stated in an essay by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada ” Without the self realized soul at it’s head, the religious institution is high-jacked by PUTANAS, and there is no worldly contrivance that can stop this from happening ” …..
So now it has and continues to happen to ISKCON. The books however, even if there is only one original, unadulterated, unedited copy, …. that has the power to rejuvenate the entire flow of Spiritual life for the whole world.
That is Srila Prabhupada’s Significance and function. He reproduced the teachings of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta in English leaving the entire GAUDYA MATH behind, just like a snake sheds it’s skin leaving it behind while it moves on. Someone seeing such a shed snake skin at first glance takes it to be real, but on closer examination he sees it is dry – hollow – empty and without life or power. That is Gaudiya Math, similarly ISKCON is also gradually drying up like a hollow snake skin , but the books of Srila Prabhupada are living spiritual life anyone can access, anytime, anywhere.
In first canto Srimad Bagavatam Chapter 2 Text 18 Prabhupada writes in the purport – ” Here i is The remedy for eliminating all inauspicious things within the heart which are considered to be obstacles in the path of self realization. The remedy is the ASSOCIATION OF THE BHAGAVATAS. There are two types of Bhagavatas, namely THE BOOK BHAGAVATA and the DEVOTEE BHAGAVATA. Both BHAGAVATAS are competent remedies, and BOTH OF THEM OR EITHER OF THEM CAN BE GOOD ENOUGH TO ELIMINATE THE OBSTACLES “.
In other words, even if the Institution fails, like Gaudya Math did, and as ISKCON is failing us now, the book BHAGAVAT is sufficient to ” ELIMINATE THE OBSTACLES ON THE PATH OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE.” Or to repeat Srila Prabhupada’s prescient words ” THE DEVOTEES MAY FAIL, THE TEMPLES MAY FAIL, BUT MY BOOKS WILL LIVE FOREVER . ”
Your humble servant,
Hansadutta das
for Prabhupada’s BBT
Hare Krishna
Dear Hansadutta Maharaja, please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please forgive me for presuming to write directly to Madhudvisa when I should have understood your clear English that you wanted me to draft a letter coming from you. My bad. : (
Begin forwarded message:
From: Diane Marie Chan
Date: 21 May, 2013 10:12:18 PM GMT+08:00
To: “madhudvisa@findkrishna.com”
Subject: Re: Ramesvara
Hare Krishna, Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu, all,obeisances for you, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. Thank you for your reply. Actually, when I saw your email the other day, I put it aside. Then Hansadutta drew my attention to it again, and requested me to write to you. But I didn’t read carefully his email, and went ahead and sent out the email to you from myself. Hansadutta had wanted me to draft an email to you, coming from him, and he mentioned the points that I raised in the email. Anyway, he added more of his own and signed it. So if you were confused to see first my name, then his signed at the bottom, sorry.
It’s interesting what you have written as far as the changes that Ramesvara boldly made. In flagrant contradiction to what he heard from Srila Prabhupada: no changes. What’s up with that? Like you, I often wonder where things went wrong. But maybe we underestimate maya’s grip, and the greatest danger of all, Vaishnava aparadha. Yes, I agree that many of those disciples at the forefront of Srila Prabhupada’s movement, especially the preachers, the book distributors and
GBCs, gave 100% to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada drew everyone to him, like a magnet, and for a time, they were able to set aside all reservations and other considerations, so-called societal and family obligations, and differences with one another, in a grand endeavor to surrender to the pure devotee. But when Srila Prabhupada disappeared, the impurities surfaced, and overwhelmed the devotees. Some just fell into maya’s embrace. Some committed offenses and finished their spiritual credit.
“Then time will tell just who has fell
And who’s been left behind
When you go your way and I go mine.” (Bob Dylan)
There go I, but for the grace of guru and Krishna. On the other hand, Srila Prabhupada did also speak of a sinister element in the society. Certainly the actions of Ramesvara and others who took over the BBT and abandoned Srila Prabhupada’s trust and instructions, and went ahead to change his books in spite of Srila Prabhupada’s own admonitions and loud objections from so many disciples… Certainly these actions belong to the category of offensive, demonic. Hope you are well. – your servant, das dd
On 21 May, 2013, at 8:03 PM, madhudvisa@findkrishna.com wrote:
Hare Krishna Mataji
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
The ‘honest’ Ramesvara is the one we read giving that interview in 1979. But the same Ramesvara, by 1981 or so was approving printing Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita As It Is with a completely different cover, he removed all but about two of the original 48 color plates and replaced them with 16 ‘improved’ ones that are hopeless, the only good thing there is the new changing bodies painting. And of course we know 80% of the verse translations approved by Srila Prabhupada were changed and 80% of the purports were changed.
So what I want to know from Ramesvara is “WHAT HAPPENED?” How, in a few short years has he gone so completely against Srila Prabhupada. There is some story here that has not been told.
As far as I can see Ramesvara, in Srila Prabhupada’s presence was a surrendered servant of Srila Prabhupada to the best of his ability. Of course he was not perfect, none of us are perfect, but as far as I can see he was genuinely trying to please and serve Srila Prabhupada.
But this all very dramatically changed in the year or two after Srila Prabhupada left our material vision.
I do think this interview is a very, very important document as it confirms again that Srila Prabhupada did not want changes to his books and it is another nail in the coffin of the book changers. It is very important particularly as today’s completely corrupt and completely dishonest Ramesvara would never have revealed any of these things.
You know I had many emails with this Ramesavara some years ago when he was ‘coming back’ and he would not admit to know any of this in regard to Srila Prabhupada not liking changes to his books. But from this conversation we know that the primary instruction the Prabhupada gave Ramesvara over and over and over again is “Don’t Change My Books…” so much so that Ramesvara says that it was almost like a ‘phobia’ Srila Prabhupada had that after he left some of his disciples would change his books…
So believe me, this is a very, very, very important document.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Your servant
Madhudvisa dasa
On 2013-05-20 08:19, Diane Marie Chan wrote:
Hare Krishna
Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Just the other day you sent out an email practically glorifying Ramesvara as a truthteller. Why are you promoting him? We are concerned that he has some intention to stage a comeback on the ISKCON and BBT Int’l, Inc. stage (Ramesvara wants back in BBT). In the past he has shown himself to be duplicitous, ambitious, cunning and disloyal, and what kind of restitution has he made to demonstrate that he is a changed person with sincere intentions to serve Srila Prabhupada and preserve Srila Prabhupada’s books?
May 20, 2013
Madhudvisa dasa wrote:
A very, very important document has just become public. It is a 1979 interview with Ramesvara Prabhu, the manager of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, the person directly in charge of printing Srila Prabhupada’s books. Ramesvara had unlimited direct instructions from Srila Prabhupada in regard to printing his books. He also gives an eye-witness account of many other important events that occurred in ISKCON in the presence of Srila Prabhupada. The events were very fresh in his mind at that time as this interview took place only two years after Srila Prabhupada had disappeared from our material vision.
In this interview he is giving a completely honest account of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions to him in regard to not changing his books and on many other points also.
This is perhaps the most important document that has come to light in ISKCON since 1977.
Ramesvara Prabhu, completely honest? In a 1979 interview?
This has to do with changes being made to Srila Prabhupada’s books. You have provided a link to the interview with Ramesvara, and a few snippets from it, for instance:
Prabhupada just explained how everyone’s a rascal for daring to touch anything in his books. The greatest anxiety he has is that after he’s gone we will add things to his books that are bogus, we will take things out that are bona fide, we will make changes in his books and the whole work for 10,000 years, his plan Prabhupada was working on, it will all be spoiled by us because of our tendency to change. And Prabhupada gave an example that the disease to do things differently is so inherent in the Americans that for the sake of doing things differently we would walk on our hands rather than our feet.”
and
I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me.
Prabhu, you express that it’s greatly significant that Ramesvara went on record to say this, and go so far as to say “This is perhaps the most important document that has come to light in ISKCON since 1977.” But why give so much credit to Ramesvara? Why do we have to rely on his statement? Devotees can find Srila Prabhupada’s own words in the VedaBase transcripts of audio recordings of conversations, or listen to the actual conversations. These have been available for years, in part thanks to your efforts to render them in MP3 format and make them affordable for everyone.
Now, as to being completely honest… Ramesvara had personal oversight over changes being made to Srila Prabhupada’s books even when Srila Prabhupada was still amongst us, and here is an excerpt from a conversation in 1977, when Srila Prabhupada called him out on it.
PRABHUPADA: So you… What you are going… It is very serious situation. You write one letter that “Why you have made so many changes?” And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarupa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The next printing should be again to the original way.
TAMAL KRSNA: They should have a board of Satsvarupa and Jayadvaita.
PRABHUPADA: Hm.
TAMAL KRSNA: Those two men are both in Los Angeles now.
PRABHUPADA: So write them immediately that “The rascal editors, they are doing havoc, and they are being maintained by Ramesvara and party.” (Conversation, “Rascal Editors,” and Morning Talk, June 22, 1977, Vrindavana (VedaBase 770622rc.vrn)
So yes, he was telling the truth to say that Srila Prabhupada was adamantly opposed to changes to his books. But the same Ramesvara published the revised Bhagavad-gita in 1983. It was supposed to have been the first printing since the 1972 MacMillan edition, but in fact, Hansadutta had beat him to it with the printing in 1982 of three editions of Bhagavad-gita As It is, reprints of the very same text and artwork from the 1972 MacMillan edition, in small pocketbook with vinyl cover, paperback, and hardbound. The Bhagavad-gita As It Is that Ramesvara rolled out in 1983 was changed from the original.
So if Ramesvara was being totally honest in the interview of 1979, perhaps he was not being very sincere. Cuz he certainly did not act in keeping with the instructions he recalled.
Lately Ramesvara asserted that he was appointed a BBT trustee personally by Srila Prabhupada in Mayapur, 1976 – which Hansadutta vehemently denies. During the BBT court case, the court determined that Ramesvara had no standing or position as a legally appointed trustee, and excluded him from joining as a party. Hansadutta, who was appointed lifetime BBT trustee in September, 1974, was in Mayapur, 1976, and he has no knowledge of Srila Prabhupada adding Ramesvara as a trustee. There is no document, no resolution on record of his appointment.
On the other hand, there is a copy of a transfer of BBT trademarks (the BBT name and logo) to ISKCON of California, dated 1976, with Ramesvara’s signature, and beneath that, “BBT Trustee”. How can he have legally transferred BBT trademarks to ISKCON? Who authorized it? And signed as BBT Trustee, when he wasn’t a trustee at all.
We also know that Ramesvara was operating ISKCON of California as BBT. And plans were already underway at the time when he left the Society in disgrace for ISKCON to take over the BBT and transferring the copyrights to a corporation – and in 1988 Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc. was born.
Fake BBT, fake trustee, changed books, bypassing the legal trustees and illegal takeover of the trust.
Some might recall the trial of O.J. Simpson, in which his defense attorney Cochran famously said, “How many cockroaches do you have to find in a bowl of spaghetti” before you won’t eat it? This is reasonable doubt.”
Please don’t parade Ramesvara as a hero. He had the audacity to relay the words of the real hero, Srila Prabhupada, to show off the profile of a loyal, obedient disciple, yet all the while he had been taking steps to undermine the BBT and Srila Prabhupada’s legacy.
Hope you are well. – Your servant, Das dd
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Hare Krishna
Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Just the other day you sent out an email practically glorifying Ramesvara as a truthteller. Why are you promoting him? We are concerned that he has some intention to stage a comeback on the ISKCON and BBT Int’l, Inc. stage (Ramesvara wants back in BBT). In the past he has shown himself to be duplicitous, ambitious, cunning and disloyal, and what kind of restitution has he made to demonstrate that he is a changed person with sincere intentions to serve Srila Prabhupada and preserve Srila Prabhupada’s books?
Are your readers readers aware of the below historical facts ? the most telling of his deceptive and criminal behavior being that he came forward to testify AGAINST PRABHUPADA by claiming Srila Prabhupada was never authorized to form the BBT since he was hired by ISKCON ( Works for hire ) and therefore whatever he wrote belonged to ISKCON, thus he had no legal right to make a BBT trust, and therefore Hansadutta , who Prabhupada appointed as a lifelong trustee , had no legal position or authority. ? Do your readers know this ? are you going to make them aware of this fact ? by publishing this information outlined below ? I hope so, {;ease let me know so I can act accordingly.
On – May 20, 2013
Madhudvisa dasa wrote:
A very, very important document has just become public. It is a 1979 interview with Ramesvara Prabhu, the manager of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, the person directly in charge of printing Srila Prabhupada’s books. Ramesvara had unlimited direct instructions from Srila Prabhupada in regard to printing his books. He also gives an eye-witness account of many other important events that occurred in ISKCON in the presence of Srila Prabhupada. The events were very fresh in his mind at that time as this interview took place only two years after Srila Prabhupada had disappeared from our material vision.
In this interview he is giving a completely honest account of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions to him in regard to not changing his books and on many other points also.
This is perhaps the most important document that has come to light in ISKCON since 1977.
Ramesvara Prabhu, completely honest? In a 1979 interview?…. I don’t think so. We have to see the activities in toto rather than just one stray interview of ( 34 Years ago ) high sounding words.
Below is an account of his actual activeties right up to joining the law suit ( 1978-79 ) filed By ISKCON and the Farudulent LOOK ALIKE BBT – International ( The one that has been changing Prabhupada’s books for years ) for which he enthusiastically came forward to support, pasing as a BBT trustee, which turned out to be another lie, fraud and deception by Rameswara. fortunately the court discovered Rameswara was NEVER EVER A BBT TRUSTEE, so we were spared his lying and maliciously envious support for ISKCON who wantted to establish themselves as the owners of Prabhupada’s copyrights, and invalidate his BBT trust and trustee, Hansadutta das.
This has to do with changes being made to Srila Prabhupada’s books. You have provided a link to the interview with Ramesvara, and a few snippets from it, for instance:
Prabhupada just explained how everyone’s a rascal for daring to touch anything in his books. The greatest anxiety he has is that after he’s gone we will add things to his books that are bogus, we will take things out that are bona fide, we will make changes in his books and the whole work for 10,000 years, his plan Prabhupada was working on, it will all be spoiled by us because of our tendency to change. And Prabhupada gave an example that the disease to do things differently is so inherent in the Americans that for the sake of doing things differently we would walk on our hands rather than our feet.”
and
I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me.
Prabhu, you express that it’s greatly significant that Ramesvara went on record to say this, and go so far as to say “This is perhaps the most important document that has come to light in ISKCON since 1977.” But why give so much credit to Ramesvara? Why do we have to rely on his statement? Devotees can find Srila Prabhupada’s own words in the VedaBase transcripts of audio recordings of conversations, or listen to the actual conversations. These have been available for years, in part thanks to your efforts to render them in MP3 format and make them affordable for everyone.
Now, as to being completely honest… Ramesvara had personal oversight over changes being made to Srila Prabhupada’s books even when Srila Prabhupada was still amongst us, and here is an excerpt from a conversation in 1977, when Srila Prabhupada called him out on it.
PRABHUPADA: So you… What you are doing… ? It is very serious situation. You write one letter that “Why you have made so many changes?” And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarupa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The next printing should be again to the original way.
TAMAL KRSNA: They should have a board of Satsvarupa and Jayadvaita.
PRABHUPADA: Hm.
TAMAL KRSNA: Those two men are both in Los Angeles now.
PRABHUPADA: So write them immediately that “The rascal editors, they are doing havoc, and they are being maintained by Ramesvara and party.” (Conversation, “Rascal Editors,” and Morning Talk, June 22, 1977, Vrindavana (VedaBase 770622rc.vrn)
So yes, he was telling the truth to say that Srila Prabhupada was adamantly opposed to changes to his books. But the same Ramesvara published the revised Bhagavad-gita in 1983. It was supposed to have been the first printing since the 1972 MacMillan edition, but in fact, Hansadutta had beat him to it with the printing in 1982 of three editions of Bhagavad-gita As It is, reprints of the very same text and artwork from the 1972 MacMillan edition, in small pocketbook with vinyl cover, paperback, and hardbound. The Bhagavad-gita As It Is that Ramesvara rolled out in 1983 was changed from the original.
So if Ramesvara was being totally honest in the interview of 1979, perhaps he was not being very sincere. Cuz he certainly did not act in keeping with the instructions he recalled.
Lately Ramesvara asserted that he was appointed a BBT trustee personally by Srila Prabhupada in Mayapur, 1976 – which Hansadutta vehemently contests . During the BBT court case, ( 1997- 98 ) the court determined that Ramesvara had no standing or position as a legally appointed trustee, and excluded him from joining as a witness for ISKCON and BBT – International Cprp. ) against Srila Prabhupada’s BBT , represented in court by Hansadutta, who was appointed lifetime BBT trustee in September, 1974. Hansadutta was was in Mayapur, 1976, and he has no knowledge of Srila Prabhupada adding Ramesvara as a trustee. There is no document, no resolution on record of his appointment, therefore he was rejected by the courts. Rather he was sometimes refered to as a secretary to the BBT, like one might be a an accountant, or a truck driver or warehouse manager for the BBT , but that dose not mean one is a TRUSTEE, there is a world of difference.
On the other hand, there is a copy of a transfer of BBT trademarks (the BBT name and logo) to ISKCON of California, dated 1976, with Ramesvara’s signature, and beneath that, “BBT Trustee”. How can he have legally transferred BBT trademarks to ISKCON? Who authorized it? And signed as BBT Trustee, when he wasn’t a trustee at all. This is called FRAUD and is a serious felony crime that will be filed against Rameswara and Prosecuted by the court.
We also know that Ramesvara was operating ISKCON of California as BBT , which was illegal. And he was also very active in the plan making proscess which was already underway at the time, for ISKCON to illegaly take over the BBT and convert the assets of Srila Prabhupada’s BBT- the copyrights – to a corporation ( BBT _ International Corp . ) – thus in 1988, – The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc. a look alike fraudulently claiming to be owners of S. Prabhupada’s copyrights, stolen from his Legal BBT trust was born.
Fake BBT, fake trustee, changed books, bypassing the legal trustees and illegal takeover of the trust. The whole Legal action initiated By ISKCON and BBT International Corp. was an attempt to cover up this illegal conversion of Prabhupada’s BBT Copyrighted works, their pivotal legal claim being that Prabhupada was hired by ISKCON ( Works for hire ) Therefore Srila Prabhupada had no legal ownership of his writing, he was therefore not legally authorized to make the BBT trust, and therefore Hansadutta is not and was not ever a legal trustee, and The Copyrights of Prabhupada’s books belong to ISKCON.
Now Rameswara wants to strut himself on the stage of ISKCON and naive devotees , as a sincere defender of Srila Prabhupada’s Books and copyrights and BBT , but the fact is he was for years ( During and after Srila Prabhupada’s presence ) working in direct opposition to Srila Prabhupad’s interests, going so far as to make himself available as a witness to support a court case filed By ISKCON and The Fraudulent and criminal Look alike BBT – Internalional Corp. against Srila Prabhupada, and his legally appointed BBT Trustee, Hansadutta das.
This was the sum and substance of Rameswara’s factual and legally documented activities through the years, right up to the infamous ISKCON BBT – International Corp. Vs Hansadutta aka Hans Kary – BBT trustee / court case in 1996-97-98 .
Some might recall the trial of O.J. Simpson, in which his defense attorney Cochran famously said, “How many cockroaches do you have to find in a bowl of spaghetti” before you won’t eat it? This is reasonable doubt.”
Please don’t parade Ramesvara as a hero. He had the audacity to relay the words of the real hero, Srila Prabhupada, to show off the profile of a loyal, obedient disciple, yet all the while he had been taking steps to undermine the BBT and Srila Prabhupada’s legacy.
Hope you are well. – Your servant,
Hansadutta das
For Prabhupada’s BBT
More…… Forwarded Message devotees may find of interest:
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From: hansadutta@hansadutta.com
To: pg1944@netzero.com
Subject: Fwd: john Hanton / jiterati das
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:14:20 -0700
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:17:36 -0700
To: daschan@streamyx.com
From: hansadutta@hansadutta.com
Subject: john Hanton / jiterati das
Cc:
Bcc: james14959@yahoo.com,syanasundari108@aol.com
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Dear Das and Bhima, Obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
So all John Hanton can remember, and get from the evidences presented to refute Rameswara’s truthfulness is : Hansadutta Published a Gita that had a changed cover ( The little Brick looking one ??!! ?? ) I dont remember ?? do you ?
That we Published The 30 Volume set of Bhagavatams, ( 10,000 copies ) The one Volume Bhagavatam anda One Volume – Chaitanya Charitamrita along with the first Bible Paper and Vynil cover Bhag.gita other a number of other things, that escaped his notice.
Veda and Gupta, who have stolen the license to Print the original books, which was meant for me you and Veda, , have printed next to nothing in all the 15 years since stealing this license. We ( Berkeley temple ) managed to print all the above mentioned publications, and what Have Veda and Gupta managed to do ? Even the books they managed to print are second and third class quality, cheap quality, not first class. so ??….
.Have they increased the distribution ? No !… Have they made any devotees ..? No !… He has only managed to steal what was meant for Myself, and Das. He has increased his Prestige artificially, thinking …..” I am Printing Prabhupada’s original books “… as if simply going to the Printer, paying him some fee and selling the same to the devotees , was in-itself a SPIRITUAL ACT.
These people are Jealous, envious and Greedy aside from being stupid and Obnoxious and impossible to associate with. One day Prabhupada gave a definition of what a Jealous Person means, he said ” A JEALOUS PERSON IS ONE WHO INTERFERES – CHECKS OR STEALS WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY MEANT FOR SOMEONE ELSE. HE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE ANYONE EXCEL OR SURPASS HIM . A JEALOUS PERSON IS NATURALLY ENVIOUS AND WORKS TO TAKE OR KEEP FOR HIMSELF WHAT IS MEANT FOR ANOTHER.
Veda and Fedorosky aka Gupta fit this description perfectly. The License to Print Srila Prabhupada’s books was meant for me, the $ 350,000.00 settlement money was for initiating the first publications of Prabhupada’s but it was cleverly stolen by legal and illegal collusion of Veda and Fedorosky.
They are ( VEDA and FEDOROSKY aka GUPTA ) after the facade of Rittvik,- Prabhupadanugas and -” No Book changes “- flag wavers , and devotee impersonators,.
Jitarati writes, or cut and pastes Volumes of Praises for Jayananda. Not because he knew him, or admires him, or aspires to be like him, but to try to make me look unholy, Proud, arrogant, puffed up and irrelevant.
Then when you rebutted his stupid comments, all he can say is ; –
“I was only pointing out one little thing and agree with you and Hansadutta on most of the rest. What is that ? .. …. ” agree with you and Hansadutta on most of the rest ….. What does he mean by ” Most of the rest ?
My question is – What does Jitarati NOT AGREE WITH ?? What ??… He does not agree That Rameswara is one lying, calculating,dangerous , disloyal, , demonic – son of a Bitch. Jitarati does not think Rameswara’s Supporting the legal case to sideline Srila Prabhupada as ” A Worker for hire ” ,allowing ISKCON to steal Prabhupad’s copyrighted works and BBT trust is Treason, and therefore the ultimate betrayal a disciple could manifest, like JUDAS did to Jesus Christ. ???
In the military, a soldier may do some mischief, get drunk, steal something, even sleep with his commanders wife, all that can be adjusted in a court marshalling, but if a soldier, or officer , exhibits, TREASONOUS BEHAVIOR ( As Rameswara and Company have done in a court of Law, claiming copyrights never belonged to Srila Prabhupada ) That is immediate death on the Battlefield…. shot dead where such a treasonous soldier stands. Instant death.
For Such a TREASONOUS ACT a soldier is shot dead on the spot where he stands . There is no investigation, no trail, no questions asked…. such an offence is immediate death by a shot to the head, where he stands, NO QUESTIONS ASKED , shot dead.
Why not reiterate one BIG THING in all this exchange of letters ? Jealous and envious. It is ubearable to the likes of Jitarati,- Veda, -Yasoda Rameswara and all the rest, that I was able by the blessings of Srila Prabhupada to distinguish myself in Prabhupada’s service so successfully by printing his books all over the world, while they were still learning to put on tealock and a dhotie.
I’m sure Jitarati never even met Jayananda das, But I did, Himavati did and he would come from SF to berkeley just to eat hear Prasadam cooking, as Prabhupada also loved her cooking , sewing and was as affectonate as a father would be to his daughter.
He helped me buy a Van for Sankirtan, he fixed the van for us, we went on Maha sankirtan every week Fredrikstreet temple and Berkely temple, alternating between SF and Berkekely every other week, 40 – 45 fired up Brahmacaries, chanting , Storming Telegraph Ave.- in and out of the shops and resturants up and down Telegraph ave. all day long, similarly on Market street SF.
So what does this Jitarati know of all this, he is so Jealous.
But I have my credentials from Prabhupada, so I dont care what others say, I have my certificate, and my credentials. Not only that, my name is there on the BBT trust, it is a legal document, no one can dismiss that, no one can take it away, it is there fore ever in spirit.
I think I am the Only disciple of Srila Prabhupada who Prabhupada insisted that his writings must be Published in his Book ” Life comes from Life ” I am the onl disciple Prabhupada insisted should sing for him to the last breath. I wrote him songs for His Vyasa puja, and composed them and sang them in western style music which he heard with tears in his eyes and later he wrote in a letter ” Your songs are full of TRANSCENDENTAL VIBRATIONS . He said a similar thing two or three days before leaving the planet, he added ” Hansadutta is expert in Kirtan and Preaching “.
I have my medals pinned to my chest by Srila Prabhupada not by popular votes of neophyte devotees.
My God brothers were intelligent in how to Kick Hansadutta out of ISKCON, steal away his service ( Given to him by Srila Prabhupada ) Still I defeated them in Court. They colluded with the dog fedorosky to undermine and again steal what was rightfully meant for me, and embraced this dog fedorosky and keep him well fed in their house ISKCON.
so, now I have nothing, but Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. No more money, no friends, no more youthful energy…. nothing but Prabhupada and Krishna. Let’s see what Krishna’s plan is.
I may still have a few more days, maybe years, I am l;ooking to Prabhupada and Krishna, because I alone cannot do anything.
Ypur humble servant,
In and For Prabhupada
More Messages for devotees to read:
From: hantonjohn@hotmail.com
To: istagosthi@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Regarding Ramesvara’s Truthfulness
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:15:25 +0000
Dear Hansadutta Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
You are correct, my saying “most of the rest” was a lazy thing to say.
I should have taken the time to scrutinize the document so that I could have said affirmatively that I agreed with all other points made.
The fact is, I was not looking for fault, but had just noticed a few days ago for the first time, when I was looking at your books to see what paper and font etc. that you had used, that you had not used all original pictures.
When I saw the statement in the article claiming you had used all original pictures etc., I mistakenly pointed that discrepancy out without a full glorification of your good self.
I also foolishly used the occasion to try and glorify a great devotee without mentioning that I did not have as much personal association with that glorious devotee as you did and therefore should have understood my lowly nature and just waited for you to properly glorify Jayananda Prabhu.
You are also correct about my jealous and envious nature and it seems like I made a great mistake in not submitting myself to you years ago when you had ordered my execution. Unfortunately your disciples at the time were unsuccessful in carrying out that order even though the attempt was made. I should have come to you with a gun in hand and given it to you so you could have fulfilled your desire to eliminate such a vile creature as myself.
So now the question is, should I come before you now, and give you that gun, for my deserved execution or can I come and humbly ask you to participate in expanding the distribution of Prabhupada’s books world wide to unprecedented levels?
My opinion of you has never changed, and you will always remain that courageous pioneer preacher of Srila Prabhupada and BBT trustee for life. Do you want to work with me or not?
Your humble servant,
Jitarati das
” Make your own field and continue to be Ritvik and act on my behalf.” – Srīla Prabhupāda: July 31, 1977.
This letter was to you and I would be honored to help you fulfill this order of Srila Prabhupada to your good self.
Just read some OUT- OF- CONTEXT from:
VRAJA VILASA DASA
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-13/editorials10348.htm
These ANTI-RITVIK folks are just sooooo ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada’s unique position of CURRENT DIKSA GURU FOR ISKCON.
ALL he is trying to do is JUSTIFY some PHYSICAL body to be present in order that BG 4.34 to be correct according to HIS MANIPULATION. He writes: If there is not a self-realized soul always present, then what is the point of Krsna speaking the verse Bg. 4.34?
So – lets address his MANIPULATION – we will take the verse below AS IT IS:
TEXT 34
tad viddhi praṇipātena
paripraśnena sevayā
upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ
jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ
SYNONYMS
tat—that knowledge of different sacrifices; viddhi—try to understand; praṇipātena—by approaching a spiritual master; paripraśnena—by submissive inquiries; sevayā—by the rendering of service; upadekṣyanti—initiate; te—unto you; jñānam—knowledge; jñāninaḥ—the self-realized; tattva—truth; darśinaḥ—the seers.
TRANSLATION
Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.
Does it state the approach of the spiritual master MUST be PHYSICAL BODY ? NO!
Now, since Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence is apparently not there does it mean that he is no longer approachable? NO!
Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 1: The Spiritual Masters : Adi 1.35 : PURPORT :
There is no difference between the spiritual master’s instructions and the spiritual master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
Srila Prabhupada and HIS books there is NO DIFFERENCE . So ALL one has to do to seek ANSWERS is to READ his books: Srila Prabhupada: “Well, the questions… Answers are there in my books.”
Morning Walk
At Cheviot Hills Golf Course—May 13, 1973, Los Angeles
Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, when you are not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
Prabhupāda: Well, the questions… Answers are there in my books.
Paramahaṁsa: Other than that, for example, that we would ask you in…
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: Do you direct us also through the heart? Besides the Paramātmā?
Prabhupāda: If your heart is pure. Everything depends on purity.
Note : Srila Prabhupada: ” In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.”
Letter to: Bahurupa Bombay22 November, 1974
I am pleased to hear that you are chanting 16 rounds daily and reading my books regularly and following the four rules. In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.
Note: “answered automatically”
Letters : 1972 Correspondence : February : Letter to: Upendra — Calcutta 19 February, 1972 : 72-02-19 :
(8) Although there is no GBC man for Far East for addressing your questions, still, as I am now old man and inclined for philosophy and translating, I am asking my disciples to kindly give me some relief from so much administrative work and asking questions. I have appointed this GBC for that purpose, and you are also senior member, and I have given you already everything, so you please consult among yourselves if you have questions. It is said sevon mukha hi jihbado, sayam eva sphurat adah, or “By engaging one’s tongue in chanting and taking prasada, simultaneously following the regulative principles, the Lord reveals Himself upon this.” In other words, if you are sincere to serve continuously and always chanting, all such questions become answered automatically. I never asked my Spiritual Master one question except one: “How shall I serve you?”
Note: ” then all of your questions will be answered automatically, because Krishna promises to His sincere devotee that He will give him the intelligence to understand Him.”
Letter to: Dasarha Bombay 4 March, 1972
Regarding your other question, you should not read such nonsense books, nor allow your mind to dwell on such subject matter. Instead utilize your time for advancing in Krishna consciousness by reading our books. We have got sufficient stock, and if you simply go on reading them, chanting regularly 16 rounds, engaging yourself 24 hours in Krishna’s business, then all of your questions will be answered automatically, because Krishna promises to His sincere devotee that He will give him the intelligence to understand Him.
Note: these ANTI-RITVIKS are a bunch of CROOKS who are after CAPTURING some innocent to be a SLAVE (SO CALLED DISCIPLE) FOR EXPLOITATION BY THE BOGUS ISKCON RUBBER-STAMPED ”
” DIKSA GURUS” MANUFACTURED BY BOGUS gbc. SO LONG AS THEIR PAYROLL FROM THE BOGUS GBC IS PROTECTED THEY CANVASS FOR THE CROOKS TO LURE THE INNOCENT DEVOTEE TO BE USED BY THE BOGUS GURUS.
Another point:
The heading of article by ANTI RITVIK manipulator VRAJA VILASA DASA is:
Submission, Service and Inquiry Require a Live Person
Now, lets consider all his points:
1) Submission – We Prabhupadanugas submit by accepting the four Regulative Principles namely no meat, fish eggs, no intoxications including tea and coffee, no illicit sex, no gambling – and chanting 16 rounds daily of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna Hare Hare/ Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.
2) Service: “The service of the spiritual master is essential. If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions.” In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
There is NO WHERE it says the spiritual master has to be PHYSICALLY PRESENT TO SERVE HIM. One can serve the spiritual master in his ABSENCE how? If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. THIS is WHY ” In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.” To us Prabhupadanugas we can SERVE Srila Prabhupada our BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU simply by REMEMBERING HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 1: The Spiritual Masters : Adi 1.35 : PURPORT :
The service of the spiritual master is essential. If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no difference between the spiritual master’s instructions and the spiritual master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
3) Inquiry: Whats the problem ? Devotees go to do VYASA PUJA every YEAR before the Deity of Srila Prabhupada RECITING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. The same deity is there for us to inquire AND his BOOKS give the ANSWERS . The words nara-matir are appropriate this means HELLISH MENTALITY the ANTI RITVIK CROOKS CAN NOT ACCEPT SRILA PRABHUAPDA DEITY their mentality IS HELLISH. They make a SHOW BOTTLE recition of VYASA PUJA whereas WE PRABHUPADANUGAS WORSHIP THE DEITY.
The reason that this ANTI RITVIK BUNCH OF CROOKS can not grasp that Srila Prabhupada is LIVING IN SOUND – HIS WORDS is because they consider their GOD is MONEY they SCREW OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND THIS IS WHY THEY WANT THE DEMONIAC ASSES VOTED BY BOGUS GBC WORSHIPED “AS GOOD AS GOD” .
Note: Srila Prabhupada is LIVING IN SOUND:
So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the spiritual master, vibration. What we have heard from the spiritual master, that is living.
Lectures : General Lectures : Lecture Excerpt — Los Angeles, January 13, 1969 : 690113LE.LA :
So we are not concerned about the physical body. Not concerned means… We are concerned, of course, because the spiritual master, those who are ācāryas, their body is not considered as materiel. Arcye śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matir. Just like the statue of Kṛṣṇa, to consider that “This is a stone…” Similarly, arcye śilā-dhīr guruṣu na… Guruṣu means those who are ācāryas, to accept their body as ordinary man’s body, this is denied in the śāstras. So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the spiritual master, vibration. What we have heard from the spiritual master, that is living.
Thus, we have PROVED it that
praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā Submission, Service and Inquiry Require a
Live Person is INFACT present in ACCEPTING SRILA PRABHUPADA AS CURRENT DIKSA GURU.
The ENVIOUS ANTI- RITVIK manipulator VRAJA VILASA DASA has FAILED TO REPLACE SRILA PRABHUPADA AS CURRENT DIKSA GURU.
Hare Krsna! All Glories to OUR BONAFIDE ETERNAL DIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!
Well done! We must remember that those…ANTI RITVIK BUNCH OF CROOKS can not grasp that Srila Prabhupada` are atheists plain and simple, they get it they just don`t want God they want mammon. They worship the shell of the original ISKCON with hopes of monetary return. We encourage everyone to stay away from ISKCON less they feed the atheists with their hard earned money and end up with the same mood. They are not leaders of men they are leaders of the moronic.
Hasti Gopala Dasa
Hasti Gopala Dasa says:
15 July 2013 at 1:08 am
“They worship the shell of the original ISKCON with hopes of monetary return.
We encourage everyone to stay away from ISKCON less they feed the atheists
with their hard earned money and end up with the same mood”
Yes, this is true and we define the ritviks and Iskcon as the kettle calling
the pot black.
HARE KRSNA
Hasti Gopala Dasa says:
15 July 2013 at 1:08 am
“They worship the shell of the original ISKCON with hopes of monetary return.
We encourage everyone to stay away from ISKCON less they feed the atheists
with their hard earned money and end up with the same mood”
Yes, this is true and we define the ritviks as the kettle calling the pot black.
HARE KRSNA
This is to further EXPOSE ANTI RITVIK CROOK VRAJA VILASA DASA whose main PLOY is to GET RID OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AS CURRENT DIKSA GURU SO THAT HE AND HIS PAYROLL MASTERS THE BOGUS GBC CAN EXPLOIT THE INNOCENT BY SLAVERY OF DUPING INNOCENT DEVOTEES (SO CALLED DISCIPLES).
In his article:
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-13/editorials10351.htm
he writes
And again, finally,
“Be intelligent. Associate with a living source.”
So he is INSINUATING THAT A VAISNAVA Srila Prabhupada is DEAD source. Just see the ANTI RITVIK CROOKS HELLISH MENTALITY!!! GURUSU NAR MATIR
This CROOK IS A WORD JUGGLER. His PLOY is to GET RID OF SRILA PRABHUAPADA AS CURRENT DIKSA GURU IN ISKCON.
Note: THE ANTI RITVIK CROOKS OFTEN JUMP OVER THE CURRENT ACARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA BY USING OTHER PREVIOUS ACARYAS WORDS TO BACK-UP THEIR MANIPULATION OBJECTIVE: TO GET RID OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AS CURRENT DIKSA GURU.
Somehow or other this ANTI RITVIK CROOK wants to USE Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura for his MANIPULATION AS HE OFTEN LIKES TO QUOTE:
And, finally, from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura:
“Be intelligent. Associate with a living source. ”
(Amrta Vani)
Note: ANTI RITVIK CROOK VRAJA VILASA DASA thinks we have to accept HIS MANIPULATION JUST BECAUSE HE QUOTES Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. The crook can think as he likes BUT the FACT is WHATEVER we have to learn we HAVE TO LEARN FROM THE CURRENT ACARYA WHO IS : SRILA PRABHUPADA. WE CAN NOT JUMP OVER.
Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures : Canto 1: Lectures : SB 1.15: Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.15.30 — Los Angeles, December 8, 1973 : 731208SB.LA :
So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya.
Letters : 1973 Correspondence : December : Letter to: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana — Los Angeles 25 December, 1973 : 73-12-25 :
Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction.
Physical Association(Vapu) versus VANI:
Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: “The Status Quo” : SB 3.31: Lord Kapila’s Instructions on the Movements of the Living Entities : SB 3.31.48 : PURPORT :
….it is described here that one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life.
Lectures : Festival Lectures : His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Prabhupada’s Appearance Day, Lecture — Atlanta, March 2, 1975 : 750302BA.ATL :
So he wanted this, and he is not… It is not that he is dead and gone. That is not spiritual understanding. Even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]. And what to speak of such exalted, authorized personality like Bhaktisiddhānta. He is seeing. I never feel that I am alone. Of course, when I came to your country without any friend, without any means… Practically, just like a vagabond I came. But I had full faith that “My Guru Mahārāja is with me.” I never lost this faith, and that is fact. There are two words, vāṇī and vapuḥ. Vānī means words, and vapuḥ means this physical body. So vāṇī is more important than the vapuḥ. Vapuḥ will be finished. This is material body. It will be finished. That is the nature. But if we keep to the vāṇī, to the words of spiritual master, then we remain very fixed up. It doesn’t matter. Just like Bhagavad-gītā. It was spoken five thousand years ago. But if you keep to the words of Kṛṣṇa, then it is always fresh and guiding.
Letter to: Tusta Krsna —Ahmedabad 14 December, 1972
Next you ask if I am present in my picture and form? Yes. In form as well as in teachings. To carry out the teachings of guru is more important than to worship the form, but none of them should be neglected. Form is called vapu and teachings is called vani. Both should be worshiped. Vani is more important than vapu.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition : Cc. Antya-lila : Cc. 1975: Concluding Words :
Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974-corresponding to the 10th of Kārtikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Rāma-ekādaśī-we have now finished the English translation of Śrī Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī’s Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākur Gosvāmī Mahārāja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend. Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vāṇī, his words. There are two ways of association-by vāṇī and by vapu. Vāṇī means words, and vapu means physical presence. Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but vāṇī continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the vāṇī, not the physical presence.
Note: ANTI RITVIK CROOKS WANT TO KEEP AFLOAT THE EXPLOITATION OF INNOCENT DEVOTEES BY PUTTING THEM IN THE SLAVERY CYCLE (DISCIPLES) SO THEY CAN SCREW MONEY AND LIVE COMFORTABLE LIVES. IN ORDER TO DO THIS THEY USE PREVIOUS ACARYAS TEACHINGS AGAINST SRILA PRABHUPADA THE CURRENT BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU OF ISKCON.
SRILA PRABHUPADA WARNS US THEY ARE NOT DEVOTEES THEY ARE CONDITIONED SOUL DEMONS WHO WANT TO BE WORSHIPPED:
Bhagavad-gita As It Is (1972) > Bg 16 > Bg 16.4
TEXT 4
dambho darpo ‘bhimānaś ca
krodhaḥ pāruṣyam eva ca
ajñānaṁ cābhijātasya
pārtha sampadam āsurīm
SYNONYMS
dambhaḥ—pride; darpaḥ—arrogance; abhimānaḥ—conceit; ca—and; krodaḥ—anger; pāruṣyam—harshness; eva—certainly; ca—and; ajñānam—ignorance; ca—and; abhijātasya—one who is born; pārtha—O son of Pṛthā; sampadam—nature; āsurīm—demoniac.
TRANSLATION
Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance-these qualities belong to those of demonic nature, O son of Pṛthā.
PURPORT
In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The demoniac want to MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION and advancement in spiritual science, although they do not follow the principles. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. They desire to be WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, and demand respectability, although they do not command respect. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. They do everything whimsically, according to their own desire, and they do not recognize any authority. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities.
Note: Behind the back – these ANTI RITVIK CROOKS DO ALL THE NONSENSE:
Morning Walk —
March 25, 1976, Delhi
Prabhupāda: That Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, eiṭa eka kalira chelā, nāke tilaka, galaya mālā:(?) “Here is another follower of Kali. He has got tilaka and mālā.” Sahaja bhajana kacen māmu, saṅga laiyā pārera wala (?): “He is worshiping, bhajana, taking another’s wife.” Sahaja bhajana kacen māmu, saṅga laiyā pārera wala, ei ṭa eka kalira chelā: “Here is a servant of Kali. Simply he has changed his dress with tilaka and mālā.” Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says. If you take tilaka and mālā and do all nonsense things, then you are not a devotee. You are Kali-chelā. To become a devotee is not so easy thing.
Note:There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition : Cc. Madhya-lila : Madhya 1: The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Madhya 1.218 : PURPORT :
Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says, chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra pāyeche kebā: unless one serves a Vaiṣṇava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaiṣṇavas, his path is clear. Consequently Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu requested all the Vaiṣṇavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rūpa and Sanātana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaiṣṇava sees that another Vaiṣṇava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaiṣṇavas are not envious. If a Vaiṣṇava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaiṣṇavas become very joyful-that is, if they are truly Vaiṣṇavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaiṣṇava is certainly not a Vaiṣṇava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaiṣṇavas. Why should a Vaiṣṇava be envious of another Vaiṣṇava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaiṣṇava is very pleased to accept another Vaiṣṇava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the śāstra (upekṣā). The word upekṣā means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaiṣṇavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava.
Room Conversation with Life Member, Mr. Malhotra — December 22, 1976, Poona:
Mr. Malhotra: How it can be that so many sages of the past, they proclaimed
aham brahmasmi.
Prabhupada: Brahman (Hindi). You are Brahman. Because you are part and parcel of Parabrahman. That I have already told you. That gold, big gold and small particle, that is gold. Similarly, Bhagavan Parabrahman, and we are part and parcel of Him.
Therefore I am Brahman. But I am not Parabrahman. Krsna is accepted as Parabrahman by Arjuna: param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan (BG 10.12). Parabrahman.
So param, this word is used, Paramatma, Parabrahman, Paramesvara. Why? That is the difference. One is supreme and one is subordinate. Subordinate Brahman. You are Brahman, there is no doubt of it. But not that Parabrahman. If you are Parabrahman, then why you are making sadhana to become Parabrahman? Why? If you are Parabrahman, then you are Parabrahman always. Why you have fallen in this condition that you have to perform
sadhana to become Parabrahman? That is foolishness. You are not Parabrahman. You are Brahman. You are gold, a small particle. But you cannot say that “I am gold mine.”
That you cannot do. Param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan (BG 10.12).
Gopala Krsna: So he is checking if it is time to go on… Are you going to come with us also? Very good.
Prabhupada: Bring little water. These, my disciples they are part and parcel of me. Whole mission is going on with their cooperation. But if he says that I am equal to my Guru Maharaja, then that is offense.
Mr. Malhotra: Suppose guru desires that my disciple should rise higher than me.
Prabhupada: That means he is in lower stage. That you have to accept first of all.
Mr. Malhotra: Like as a father sees that his children grow.
Prabhupada: Yes, still father begets father, and a child cannot become father.
Mr. Malhotra: Father begets father but he feels that he may, will progress…
Prabhupada: No, no. Father may want to see that the son is equally qualified, but still the father is father, and child is child. That is perpetual. Similarly, a part and parcel of God may be very powerful, but that does not mean that he has become God.
Mr. Malhotra: Other traditions, guru disciple, then the disciple becomes guru, then disciple. The gurus may change.
Prabhupada: They cannot change. If there are change of guru, the disciple acts, but does not, he’ll never say that I have become equal or one with guru. That is not so.
Mr. Malhotra: I am thinking about this, Swamiji, that your Guru Maharaja is preaching through you, and you are preaching through them.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Mr. Malhotra: So disciple is guru through his disciples.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. Evam parampara praptam (BG 4.2). But that does not become, he has become. He may be representative of guru, representative of God, but it does not mean that he has become God.
Mr. Malhotra: But he becomes guru with his disciples.
Prabhupada: That’s alright.
Mr. Malhotra: Never equal to his guru.
Prabhupada: Not equal, representative. I send one representative of this man, and he may be very expert, doing very good business, still he cannot be equal to me. He is acting as my representative, that’s another thing. But not that he has become the original proprietor.
Mr. Malhotra: But as your disciples, you are taken as guru.
Prabhupada: But they will never say that they have become equal to me. “I have advanced to be my guru.” Never say. Just like this boy, he is offering obeisances. He may be expert in preaching more than me, but he knows that “I am subordinate.” Otherwise how he shall offer obeisances? He can think, “Oh, now I am so learned. I am so advanced. Why shall I accept him as superior?” No. That continues. Even after my death, after my disappearance, he will offer obeisances to my picture.
Mr. Malhotra: But amongst his disciples he will be worshiped…
Prabhupada: That’s all right, but he remains a disciple of his guru. He will never say that “Now I have become guru, so I don’t care for my guru.” He will never say. Just like I am doing, but I am worshiping my guru still. So I remain subordinate to my guru, always. Even though I have become guru, still I am subordinate to my guru.
HARE KRSNA
SG your idea of kettle calling the pot black does not apply here: Anti Ritviks are a bunch of CROOKS who have usurped the properties, temples disciples of Srila Prabhupada AND still EXPLOITING INNOCENT DEVOTEES FOR SLAVERY AND SCREWING MONEY – it is consequently a case of black pot has to be AVOIDED:
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: “The Status Quo” : SB 3.29: Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila : SB 3.29.17 : PURPORT :
The devotee should avoid a person whose character is not fixed in the standard understanding; even though he may be a Vaiṣṇava, or a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, if his character is not correctly representative, then he should be avoided.
Hare Krsna!
Mahesh Raja says:
15. July 2013 at 6:36 pm
“SG your idea of kettle calling the pot black does not apply here:
Anti Ritviks are a bunch of CROOKS who have usurped the properties, temples disciples of Srila Prabhupada AND still EXPLOITING INNOCENT DEVOTEES FOR SLAVERY AND SCREWING MONEY — it is consequently a case
of black pot has to be AVOIDED:”
SG — But it does. Both the pot and the kettle work on the same principle.
They both become black.
“Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: “The Status Quo” : SB 3.29: Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila : SB 3.29.17 : PURPORT :
The devotee should avoid a person whose character is not fixed in the standard understanding; even though he may be a Vaisnava, or a devotee of Krsna, if his character is not correctly representative, then he should be avoided.”
SG — This quote quite clearly describes you.
HARE KRSNA
SG — But it does. Both the pot and the kettle work on the same principle.
They both become black.
No you ANTI RITVIKS are contaminated by the SINFUL ACTS OF USURPING Srila Prabhupada’s CURRENT Diksa guru position, his disciples, properties. Basically screwing money and exploiting innocent devotees for SLAVERY. This is POT BLACK.
We PRABHUPADANUGAS are AVOIDING your ANTI-RITVIK types. ELECTRIC Kettle (NO BLACKNESS PROCESS INVOLVED) WITH – CONNECTION to Srila Prabhupada as OUR BONAFIDE ETERNAL DIKSA GURU.
Note: you ANTI RITVIK folks are asat-sabhāyāḥ, an assembly of uncultured men while the plundering of Srila Prabhupada’s properties, disciples temples, changes to his books goes on, BBT transfered to Bhaktivedanta books Trust International (Jayadvaita and companys PRIVATE MONEY EARNING concern) YOU folks did NOTHING! No protests . WHY? because you are ALL JUST AS GUILTY of SCREWING MONEY. EXPLOITING INNOCENTS FOR SLAVERY BY THUGS(BOGUS GURUS) OF BOGUS GBC, ENJOY NOW: PAY FOR YOUR SINFUL ACTS IN DUE COURSE OF TIME WHEN THE BODY CHANGES.
Books : Teachings of Queen Kunti : TQK 7: Dangerous Encounters :
Karṇa regarded this as a great insult, and therefore when Draupadī was lost in the game, he was the first to come forward. He was Duryodhana’s great friend, and he said, “Now we want to see the naked beauty of Draupadī.” Present at that meeting were elderly persons like Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Bhīṣma, and Droṇācārya, but they did not protest. They did not say, “What is this? You are going to strip a lady naked in this assembly?” Because they did not protest, they are described as asat-sabhāyāḥ, an assembly of uncultured men.
Note: Anti Ritviks think they are going to get away with stealing Srila Prabhupada’s Properties, disciples etc. NOBODY gets away EVEN childhood sinful acts are taken into consideration:
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.13.15 —Geneva, June 4, 1974
Prabhupāda: Ah, thorn, yes. So therefore he was punished. Now just see. In his childhood he was playing with an ant, piercing the rectum with a thorn. That is also taken account, “All right. You will be punished.” Just see how finer laws are there in nature. So the Maṇḍūka Muni did that. Therefore it was recorded he should be punished like that.
This is our position. Anything… If you are walking on the street, if you kill an ant by walking, you will be punished. This is nature’s law. We are in such a dangerous position. In every movement there is punishment. Now, if you believe the śāstras, that is different thing. If you don’t believe, then do anything you like. But from śāstra we can understand the laws of nature, or God, is very, very strict, very, very strict.
Note: the ANTI RITVIKS ARE AWAITING THEIR FUTURE BODIES OF LIZARDS, SNAKES BY USURPING THE PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA’S PROPERTIES, , DISCIPLES ETC:
Krsna Book 9 / The Story of King Nṛga
At this time, Lord Kṛṣṇa was present among His relatives who were members of the kṣatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nṛga, He said: “Even though a kṣatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brāhmaṇa and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brāhmaṇa’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brāhmaṇa’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brāhmaṇa’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. The perfect example was King Nṛga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brāhmaṇa’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the araṇi fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brāhmaṇa can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brāhmaṇa.” (Formerly, the brāhmaṇas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called araṇi.) “If someone even touches a brāhmaṇa’s property, he is ruined for three generations. However, if a brāhmaṇa’s property is forcibly taken away, the taker’s family for ten generations before him and for ten generations after him will be subject to ruination. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaiṣṇava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”
Lord Kṛṣṇa continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brāhmaṇa’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brāhmaṇa who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhīpāka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brāhmaṇa or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brāhmaṇa and thereby pollute your whole family. If someone even wishes to possess such property, let alone attempts to take it away by force, the duration of his life will be reduced. He will be defeated by his enemies, and after being bereft of his royal position, when he gives up his body he will become a serpent. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brāhmaṇa becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brāhmaṇa. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brāhmaṇas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nṛga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brāhmaṇa, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
Note: Devotees will like to read this I got it forwarded:
Hearing: The real tradition
By Vidura Das
In the article by Vraja Vilasa Dasa from the Sampradaya Sun Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right, the author writes: “Real surrender to Srila Prabhupada means we should follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on accepting a physically manifest guru…” I would like focus this article especially on this statement because this seems to be the central point from which the author makes his assertions. First and foremost, Srila Prabhupada has never instructed anywhere that we should approach a “physically manifest guru”. Sure there are places where Srila Prabhupada says we must approach a spiritual master, hear from him, render service under him, and inquire from him – submissively. These are the general aspects of the guru-disciple relationship. However, these aspects do not necessitate the guru from whom one takes initiation being present in his physically manifest [spiritual] body. All of the above aspects of approaching a spiritual master can be done through Srila Prabhupada’s transcendental books, as the following quotes by Srila Prabhupada prove:
HEARING FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA:
“The method by which the transcendental message is received is the method of submissive hearing.”
(Teachings of Lord Caitanya – 23, Why Study the Vedanta-sutra?)
“These are not ordinary books. It is recorded chanting. Anyone who reads, he is hearing.”
(Letter to: Rupanuga: — Mayapur 19 October, 1974)
RENDERING SERVICE:
“As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the instructions of the Spiritual Master.” (S.B. 4:28:47, purport)
“As far as my blessing is concerned, it does not require my physical presence. If you are chanting Hare Krishna there, and following my instructions, reading the books, taking only Krishna prasadam etc., then there is no question of your not receiving the blessings of Lord Caitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying to push on.” (Letter to Bala Krishna, 30/6/74
“Just like I am working, so my Guru Maharaja is there, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. Physically he may not be, but in every action he is there. To serve master’s word is more important than to serve physically.” (Room Conversation, Vrindavan, 2/5/77)
Devotee: …so sometimes the Spiritual Master is far away. He may be in Los Angeles. Somebody is coming to Hamburg Temple. He thinks “How will the Spiritual Master be pleased?”
Srila Prabhupada: Just follow his order, Spiritual Master is along with you by his words. Just like my Spiritual Master is not physically present, but I am associating with him by his words. (Lecture – 18/08/71)
“If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no difference between the spiritual masters instructions and the spiritual master himself. In the absence therefore, his words of direction should be pride of the disciple.” (C.c. Adi 1.35, purport)
INQUIRY/RECIPROCATION:
Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, when you are not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions, for example, on questions that may arise?
Prabhupāda: Well, the questions… Answers are there in my books.
(Morning Walk, Los Angeles, CA 13/5/73)
“Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered.” (Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70)
“So utilise whatever time you find to make a thorough study of my books. Then all your questions will be answered.”
(Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76)
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!
Devotees: Jaya! Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilize.
(Interview, Berkley, 17/7/75)
Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, there’s also a question of reciprocation. You have so many disciples, thousands, and one devotee was asking me yesterday, “How does… I want to please Śrīla Prabhupāda. How does he know my progress and my service because I’m…, when I’m so far away from him and if I don’t write him?”
Prabhupāda: So his representatives are there, the president, the GBC. They will see.
Mādhavānanda: The representatives.
Jayādvaita: The representative may be there, but what is my personal relationship?
Prabhupāda: Hm? To obey your spiritual master. Whatever he has said, you follow strictly. Follow the regulative principles. Chant sixteen rounds. That’s all.
(Morning Walk — April 8, 1975, Mayapur)
Clearly, there is no difficulty in approaching Srila Prabhupada today since all of the above aspects can be satisfied with Srila Prabhupada’s books. We can hear from Him through His books, we can serve Him through the orders that He gives to us in His books, and we can reciprocate with Him through His books. We simply have to be determined in this approach:
“My touch is simply a formality. It is your determination, that is initiation.”
(“The Search for the Divine”, Back To Godhead #49)
Srila Prabhupada’s books are His sound representation. It is Srila Prabhupada manifested through vibration – His vani. It is certainly possible to approach this manifestation of Srila Prabhupada. All of the aspects of the guru-disciple relationship can be present in this kind of approach, as shown above. It is this spiritual connection that we should be concerned with:
“So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living.”
(Letter, 13/01/69, Los Angeles)
“We are not separated actually. There are two – Vani or Vapuh – so Vapu is physical presence and Vani is presence by the vibration, but they are all the same.” (Letter to Hamsadutta, 22/6/70)
“Krishna and his representative are the same. Similarly, the spiritual master can be present wherever the disciple wants. A spiritual master is the principle, not the body. (Letter to Malati, 28/5/68)
“So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krishna or Spiritual Master. Never think that I am absent from you, presence by message (or hearing) is the real touch.” (Letter to students, 2/8/67)
“Although physically we are not together, we are not separated spiritually. So we should be concerned only with this spiritual connection.” (Letter to Gaurasundara, 13/11/69)
What has been the general pattern in our sampradaya does not in itself become a law. Whatever rules we abide by are strictly instructed to us by Srila Prabhupada. We cannot just independently look over Srila Prabhupada and into our history, observing apparent patterns in on lineage, and then whimsically derive a spiritual law based on our own observation. Srila Prabhupada never stated anywhere that tradition is automatically law. It is the acharyas who set new precedents and thereby new traditions to begin with. Why is there all of a sudden a problem with Srila Prabhupada establishing a new precedent? In fact Srila Prabhupada says:
“Tradition is just temporary. You make your tradition; he makes your tradition. That is another thing. But the, fact is fact.That is not dependent on tradition.” (Room Conversation — February 13, 1975, Mexico)
(It is a fact that Srila Prabhupada ordered ritviks to act as His representatives in performing formal initiations from the time of His order onwards – new initiates being disciples of Srila Prabhupada.)
“That is called tradition. But that is not paramparā. Paramparā is different.” (Lectures – Philosophy Discussions with Syamasundara dasa and Carl Gustav Jung)
“Our only tradition is how to satisfy Viṣṇu.” (Lecture: Bhagavad-gita 1.43 — London, July 30, 1973)
“Vaisnava who is preaching, it may be in a different way, according to time and place and the party–they have to change something, desa-kala-patra–but we have to see the essence. ” (S.B. Lecture 10/18/74)
Srila prabhupada’s ritvik system does not change anything. Many of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples were not formally initiated by him, nor had they even seen Him in person. But was there any question as to whose disciples they were? Of course not. So how come there is suddenly a problem with Srila Prabhupada remaining the current link in the disciplic succession today? Srila Prabhupada says that “The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent.” (SB 2.9.8 : Purport) and “Reception of spiritual knowledge is never checked by any material condition.” (SB 7.7.1 : Purport) Why, then, is there controversy over whether Srila Prabhupada can become one’s Diksa guru today? Srila Prabhupada says “Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.” (C.c. Madhya, 4.111, Purport) It is very clear: Srila Prabhupada becoming one’s Diksa guru can never be checked just because He is apparently absent. Srila Prabhupada says:
“To become disciple means to surrender, voluntarily accepting the instruction, the advice, the order of the spiritual master.” (Lecture: Bhagavad-gita 2.10 — London, August 16, 1973)
“Who is my disciple? First of all let him follow strictly the disciplined rules. (Morning walk, June 13, 1976, Detroit)
Srila Prabhupada is available for everyone to approach in the form of His books. The system of initiations goes on with the ritviks performing the simple formalities, and Srila Prabhupada giving the real initiation: the transcendental knowledge, which has been recorded in and is being vibrated through His transcendental books. The disciplic succession goes on perfectly just as it always has: with the disciple hearing from His spiritual master and acting according to that instruction. Srila Prabhupada says:
“…disciplic succession does not always mean that one has to be initiated officially. Disciplic succession means to accept the disciplic conclusion.” (Letter – 1/10/69)
This is what the real tradition is in our disciplic succession, and this is the essence of Srila Prabhupada’s representative system that we should all see.
He reasons ill who tells that Vaisnavas die
When thou art living still in sound!
The Vaisnavas die to live, and living try
To spread the holy name around!
(Poem by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura)
VRAJA VILASA DASA writes in:
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-13/editorials10355.htm
“You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acarya, immediate next acarya.” (1973 Lecture)
Note: this guy is VRAJA VILASA DASA MANIPULATIVE WORD JUGGLAR what he is AVOIDING IS WHEN Srila Prabhupada states: Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from ME.
Here is the complete text:
Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures : Canto 1: Lectures : SB 1.15: Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.15.30 — Los Angeles, December 8, 1973 : 731208SB.LA :
So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya.
1) the idea behind AVOIDING the complete text is EVEN IF they produce some quote by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura YOU STILL CAN NOT JUMP OVER THE UNDERSTANDING FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA WHO IS THE CURRENT ACARYA.
2) What this ANTI RITVIK bunch of CROOKS do is they want to MAKE IT APPEAR that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta sarasvati Thakura sanctions their bogus diska gurus. This is WHY this guy did NOT produce the WHOLE quote.
3) We KNOW for a FACT that these UNHOLY BUNCH OF ANTI RITVIK CROOKS have been changing Srila Prabhupada’s books INORDER THEIR BOGUS GURUS BE RECOGNISED.
4) So — HOW can one VERIFY that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura said such and such a thing?
There is NO VARIFICATION. They TWIST EVERYTHING AND CAN NOT BE TRUSTED. Best to STICK TO SRILA PRABHUPADA’S WORDS.
Srila Prabhupada further did NOT want ANY OUTSIDE INSTRUCTION – LET US NOT FORGET Srila Prabhupada KNEW PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE. HE KNEW THIS CROOKS WOULD WANT TO TAKE OVER HIS DISKA GURU POSITION.
Further evidence that Srila Prabhupada wanted his OWN books as proof:
Letters : 1973 Correspondence : December : Letter to: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana — Los Angeles 25 December, 1973 : 73-12-25 :
Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction.
Pratyatosh Prabhu wrote:
From Madhavananda I have heard there is some worship of yourself by the other devotees. Of course it is proper to offer obeisances to a Vaisnava, but not in the presence of the spiritual master. After the departure of the spiritual master, it will come to that stage, but now wait. Otherwise it will create factions.
(Letter to Hansadutta, October 1, 1974)
The self-motivated GBC/”guru” boneheads actually have the audacity to quote the above as evidence for their bogus multiple guru system! In other words, they are saying that Srila Prabhupada is no longer “present” within ISKCON, and that, even though it wasn’t OK to “create factions” before November 14, 1977, it’s OK afterwards! Does that make any sense whatsoever to any sane, rational person???
Mahesh: This is correct they are BONEHEADS .
Here is yet another sub-human creature who thinks that it is Diksa Guru:
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-13/editorials10413.htm
What this creature is doing is taking Tusta Krsna’s letter as a licence for hooking up the innocent to make them his slaves. It thinks it is a “Diksa guru”. Just see!
Lets take the particular quote in question:
New Delhi
2 December, 1975
My Dear Tusta Krishna Swami,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 21 November, 1975. Every student is expected to become Acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. I have given you sannyasa with the great hope that in my absence you will preach the cult throughout the world and thus become recognized by Krishna as the most sincere servant of the Lord. So I’m very pleased that you have not deviated from the principles I have taught, and thus with power of attorney go on preaching Krishna Consciousness, that will make me very happy as it is confirmed in the Guru vastakam yasya prasadat bhagavata prasadah just by satisfying your Spiritual Master who is accepted as the bona fide representative of the Lord you satisfy Krishna immediately, without any doubt.
I am very glad to inform you that Sudama Vipra Maharaja is also now following my principles. So I am very, very happy to receive all this news. Thank you very, very much.
Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy.
I hope this letter finds you well,
Your ever well wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/had
What a BONAFIDE guru IS Srila Prabhupada clarifies in Caitanya Caritamrta MADHYA LILA 24.330 as MAHABHAGAVATA SRESTHO . Maha bhagavata GIVES diksa( see below the word dīkṣitaḥ). THAT is HOW rigid. ” Keep trained up very rigidly” . These BONEHEADS do not have a clue what DIKSA guru is. It is ONLY on the platform of PURE UNALLOYED GOODNESS (Suddha Sattva) in the postition of MAHA-BHAGAVATA(uttama adhikari) one CAN transfer Krsna into anothers heart by which ones RELATIONSHIP with Krsna is REVEALED (svarupa siddhi) (see SB 10.2.18) . THIS is WHY Diksa is FROM Maha bhagavata. BONEHEADS think “Rigidly” is a cheap word.
Krsna is NOT manifest in their heart to transfer and these SAHAJIYA BONEHEADS want to play at being Diksa guru. Just see!
Madhya Lila Ch 24.330
TEXT 330
guru-lakṣaṇa, śiṣya-lakṣaṇa, doṅhāra parīkṣaṇa
sevya–bhagavān, sarva-mantra-vicāraṇa
SYNONYMS
guru-lakṣaṇa—the symptoms of a bona fide spiritual master; śiṣya-lakṣaṇa—the symptoms of a bona fide disciple; doṅhāra—of both; parīkṣaṇa—the testing; sevya-bhagavān—the Supreme Personality of Godhead is worshipable; sarva-mantra-vicāraṇa—consideration of the different types of mantras.
TRANSLATION
“In your book there should be the characteristics of the bona fide guru and the bona fide disciple. Then, before accepting a spiritual master, one can be assured of the spiritual master’s position. Similarly, the spiritual master can also be assured of the disciple’s position. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, should be described as the worshipable object, and you should consider the bīja-mantra for the worship of Kṛṣṇa, Rāma or any other expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
PURPORT
In the Padma Purāṇa, the characteristics of the guru, the bona fide spiritual master, have been described:
mahā-bhāgavata-śreṣṭho
brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām
sarveṣām eva lokānām
asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ
mahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi
sarva-yajñeṣu dīkṣitaḥ
sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca
na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ
The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.
When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.
Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.18
TEXT 18
tato jagan-maṅgalam acyutāṁśaṁ
samāhitaṁ śūra-sutena devī
dadhāra sarvātmakam ātma-bhūtaṁ
kāṣṭhā yathānanda-karaṁ manastaḥ
SYNONYMS
tataḥ—thereafter; jagat-maṅgalam—auspiciousness for all living entities in all the universes of the creation; acyuta-aṁśam—the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is never bereft of the six opulences, all of which are present in all His plenary expansions; samāhitam—fully transferred; śūra-sutena—by Vasudeva, the son of Śūrasena; devī—Devakī-devī; dadhāra—carried; sarva-ātmakam—the Supreme Soul of everyone; ātma-bhūtam—the cause of all causes; kāṣṭhā—the east; yathā—just as; ānanda-karam—the blissful (moon); manastaḥ—being placed within the mind.
TRANSLATION
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devakī. Devakī, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Kṛṣṇa, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT
As indicated here by the word manastaḥ, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devakī. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devakī not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by dīkṣā, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. Unless one is initiated by the right person, who always carries within his heart the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one cannot acquire the power to carry the Supreme Godhead within the core of one’s own heart.
Additional Points
As per Letter to Tusta Krishna it states:
“But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. ”
1) Srila Prabhupada’s LIFETIME is HIS BOOKS. AS LONG AS the BOOKS are in EXISTENCE Srila Prabhupada REMAINS the Spiritual Master.
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta — 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 1: The Spiritual Masters : Adi 1.35 : PURPORT :
If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no difference between the spiritual master’s instructions and the spiritual master himself.
Lectures : General Lectures : Lecture Excerpt — Los Angeles, January 13, 1969 : 690113LE.LA :
So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the spiritual master, vibration. What we have heard from the spiritual master, that is living.
2) Regards accepting disciples without ANY LIMITATION MEANS Srila Prabhupada will LIVE ON in his BOOKS because this is the POWER of Mahabhagavata TO ACCEPT DISCIPLES WITHOUT ANY LIMITATION. . But conditioned souls will TRANSMIGRATE to lower forms. BOGUS GURU TODAY: COCKROACH TOMORROW.