httpv://youtu.be/IAN1UKGZbqQ
video: “Govinda Sky” – Boston Ratha Yatra 2013
June 28, Berkeley, USA (PADA): Devotees promoting conspiracy theories like “the illuminati has taken over ISKCON” and so forth (OK, Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Gavin etc.) — while meanwhile never identifying who the illuminati are — are making this an exercise in futility and a tendency to “do nothing” because fighting “the illuminati” is too much of a task for the average devotee, so its discouraging positive action. Worse, even if we decide to attack the illuminati, Sanat and Mukuda never tell us — who they actually are? Wikipedia describes a George Orwell book where there is some huge sinister dictatorship taking over every aspect of your life and personal thoughts, but no one can prove for sure this dictator even exists. Mental speculation. And of course, this is sometimes called paranoid delusions etc.
Who are the puppet masters of the GBC gurus?
These illuminati folks never tell us who the real puppet masters are, so we are left in the rather hopeless position of finding out who are ISKCON’s, and actually the entire world’s “mind and thought controllers” — on our own, and fighting them on our own, an impossible task for the mostly humble and generally materially poor devotees. Sanat and Mukunda and others are simply spreading fear and anxiety in the devotee community over nothing. They have so far produced no proof that the illuminati even exists, much less that its the controlling force of the bogus GBC gurus, and / or that ISKCON’s leaders are members of that organization.
Of course all this helps the bogus GBC gurus along, — “the GBC gurus are being managed by the multi-trillion dollar “New World Order / illuminati,” you cannot fight then since — they have back up from the entire “New World” government, so do not bother. The GBC gurus love these illuminati-ites, it inspires people to take no action to fix the problems in ISKCON, and to become complaint dupes. “You cannot fix this, you are fighting an overwhelming opponent. Resistance is futile. So give up fighting the bogus gurus,” and most devotees have done so. As the illuminati-ites are helping along …
At the same time, I have never seen Srila Prabhupada either discuss the illuminati taking over ISKCON (rather he clearly identified his devious God brothers as the source of conspiracy troubles in ISKCON) nor do we find Srila Prabhupada recommending that we sell the counter illuminati’s very contrived and no small amount of fear mongering illuminati DVDs, which Mukunda is selling to make money.
Or were they fooled by a dope headed psychotropic drug addict like Satsvarupa, who was having an affair with his therapist, and a guy who could not manage a paper bag, much less mange the New World Order (NWO) government machinery? So most of this is all about ego, these folks cannot simply admit that they were fooled by a pack of fools, so they give vast conspiracy powers to people like SDG, when SDG has none. He could not manage Boston temple when he was managing it in the 1970s, the place always had huge problems because he is not an NWO manager, he was and always will be — a space cadet.
He is now a toothless fool in a wheelchair writing totally insane foolishness “the more I chant the drier it gets,” and making mad drawings showing a clearly demented mind. So these folks like Sanat and Mukunda have an ego problem, they cannot admit they were fooled by some of the biggest fools in the world. So they had to be fooled instead by George Orwell’s Big Brother NWO, they fooled me because, I am so smart.
No, you folks were fooled by fools, get over it. Of course now we also know that Mukunda promotes the illuminati because he is selling their DVDs. OK this is also all about making money by fooling others into listening to the illuminati propaganda, and making people of the world even more depressed and hopeless. Illuminati propaganda is simply bringing more ruination, depression and illusion into the world. Its helps no one except Mukunda’s pocket book and bank account. So its a combination of failure to admit that were fooled by fools, and, they are also profiting monetarily from putting people into more illusions and anxieties, they are selling illusion, fear and anxiety, to make money.
Prahlad Das: After reading this article I am beginning to think that Swarupa’s psychologist friend is correct when he says that Tim Lee is “a pathological liar, a paranoid sociopath, a narcissist and suffers from a severe case of arrested development”.
[PADA: OK, we have tried to figure out Prahlad das’s real program, and its like cracking the illuminati code, he never tells us what program he has, or that he supports. The only good news is that he has finally come out and admits he supports the Sanat / Mukunda / Illumini – nutty-ness. Where is their program? What is their program? Are they printing books? None that we know of. Making Temples? None that we know of. Their web site instead promotes all kinds of illuminati – nutty – ness DVDs for sale mainly, and they seem to use the word illuminati way more than they use the word Krishna, that is for sure.]
RR dasi: This is maybe the first time I do not agree with you. Maybe you have to come out with your prespective vision. To explain your above statement.
G prabhu: First of all, why does a devotee need a materialistic opinion from a psychologist to analyse the spiritual mentality of a Vaisnava? Doesn’t this declare that Swarupa’s judgments require materialists to validate? And if one agrees with Swarupa and his psycho-drilling buddy, where does that devotee’s character stand? Do we stand with a Vaisnava that has defended Srila Prabhupada since the late 60’s (Tim Lee) or Dr. Frog from UCLA and his fledgling tadpoles? Should this be a hard choice?
PADA: Swarupa went to take shelter of Kirtanananda and New Vrndavana. That place was basically a combination of various criminal enterprises, at least according to Sulochana das. Eventually, actually according to Swarupa himself, he got hooked on drugs. Well that is not surprising, since New Vrndavana had various drug businesses going on over there, so drugs were proably not hard to find. It seems a lot of our ISKCON devotees where either guilty of helping the crimes by omission if not commission. My feeling is, many devotees got involved in drugs because they felt “we cannot combat the GBC gurus, its too overwhelming.” OK, a form of the Sanat and Mukunda illumi — nutty – ness.]
Prahlad Das: I have known Mukunda Das and his family for many years. He has done so much service for Prabhupada. I can assure you that he is not a supporter of the ‘illuminati’ nor does he want to “kill all of Srila Prabhupada’s children, chop them up and feed them to dogs”. Anyone who says such things is either crazy and/or a liar. I tried to discuss this with Tim when he made that stupid video about Mukunda but he just said that i must also want to “kill Prabhupada’s children, etc…”
[PADA: OK you support a person who has a web site plastered with illuminati DVDs, and you have no connection to that program?]
G das: Back to the original question, why does one need to analysis a Vaisnava via the opinions of Dr. Frog? If one is truly surrendered to Prabhupada, wouldn’t he realize Lord Krishna as Caitya Guru would unveil the truth in this situation? Not require the comments of a non-devotee filled with lust, anger, and greed. If one requires the opinions of a lustful, greedy Dr. Croaks, how can we approve of their statements? Swarupa and Mukunda are receiving “vani” from a dying frog instead our Caitya Guru.
W Acbsp: I consulted with another professional and distinguish professor and he told me that the real crazy one is the first annalist. jaja!!
PADA: Swarup was not involved with the molesting lawsuit, I was the person talking to the expert psychologists. Not him? Swarup was, according to his own account, popped out on drugs.
As for Mukunda das, his party wrote a letter to the Dallas court folks, and people like the NEW YORK TIMES, saying the ISKCON children need to be killed, chopped up and fed to dogs. Why is Prahlad supporting this? Killing children? Yes Prahlad, you are his supporter, you just said you agree with his program. And Prahlad says, these are his good friends? Where does Krishna say, hey I got a good idea, kill the children and chop them up and feed them to dogs! Sorry, this is concoction, its not part of the Vedic culture.
I also showed everyone the Mukunda web site (on my video) where Mukunda advertises all kind of illuminati materials for sale. Why is Prahlad supporting the sale of illuminati madness? And why does he help promote Mukunda’s illuminati propaganda? Sorry, Mukunda’s site posted a letter which said the ISKCON molested children victims need to be killed, chopped up, and fed to dogs, IN WRITING. And Prahlad says this is his idea of nice people? I am not the one who needs a psychologist. hee hee. Anway, perhaps Prahlad should purchase some of Mukunda’s illuminati videos and then tell us, what is so great about that program?
Formerly there were cult hunter, bad media, regulatory agency, church cult department, department of public prosecution, etc. considered as thread to Vaishnavism. This is no more. Newspapers might publish pics of ratha-yatra parade and that’s it. Cult hunters, news media, church, pastors, have cancelled any type of focusing Vaishnavism. Only agency still on the alert: youth welfare office. Traditionally modern Vaishnavas are overburdened to properly taking care of their children.
What has turned out to be the most rough customers to attack Gaudiya-Vaishnavism, are – former ISKCON members. These fellows work tireless so much so that meanwhile Vatican cult department was closed down. Highest-ranked cardinals and bishops figure that there is no requirement to observe Hare Krishnas. Of course many conspiracy followers are right in the mud of neo-nazism – using content of the ultra right wing Heil Hitler rogues. Thats kind of alarming since Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is getting clairaudient. Might be that lots of these scalawags aren’t even aware….
Prabhupada: Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, he said that, “When our men will be sahajiya, oh, they’ll be more dangerous.” So our men are becoming, some of them, sahajiyas. This very word he said, that, “When our men will be sahajiyas he’ll be more dangerous.”
(January 24, 1977, Bhuvanesvara)
“Under the shelter of Vedanta, he’s preaching atheism. So therefore they are more dangerous.”
(San Francisco, February 20, 1967)
“The Buddhists, they did not accept Vedic authorities; therefore they are considered as nastika. But vedasraya nastikya vada. These rascals, they accept Vedas and preaches atheism. So they are more dangerous than the Buddhists.”
(September 13, 1975, Vrindavana)
Pusta Krishna: Some of them will say some things that Krishna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupada: He’s most dangerous. He’s most dangerous.
(June 28, 1976, Vrindavana)
The ISKCON, BBT and GBC leadership have become if they weren’t already, atheists who simply go through ritual for pay check and rice bowl. They should be evicted to the streets and soon will. To the BBT, ISKCON and GBC leadership…”IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO LEAVE”.
So why would His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada the author of all his books which he confirmed were dictated to him by the Supreme Personality of Godhead leave his books open to endless changes from conditioned souls?
He didn’t.
The result now is more than evident that if these endless illegal changes continue all of his books co-authored by Krsna will in the future no longer exist. The only books left will be derivitives of the originals or books created from original books. Those derivative literatures would and already do for the most part dilute the original philosophy as presented by Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada. That is enough to re direct the participant reader to focus on the organization of ISKCON scribes as the focus of worship simply due to impoverished irregular essays and extremely rare treatise presented to an already innocently ignorant congregation and public. This ongoing redirection is impersonalism which is a direct representation of the Mayavadi phiosophy as present by Sripad Sankarachary. To engage in an action such as book changes by ISKCON to the point at which they are now at without direct specific instructions from the author for each and every approach is to molest the author and attempt to degrade him to the level at which the book changers feel should be his real position. A position which they have recognized their whole lives in secret. One with Srila Prabhupada and one with Krsna, clearly the ISKCON leadership is Mayavadi to the hilt which means it an atheist leadership. Srila Prabhupada and Krsnas books are Vedānta-sūtra.
From Text 127 of the Adi-lila Chapter 7 on page 121 from the purport Srila Prabhupada and Krsna teach us and give us a further understanding and appreciation of the very serious damage being done by the BBT and ISKCON leadership not only to Srila Prabhupadas and Krsnas books but to the Hare Krishna movement as a whole.
“The falsity of Śrīpāda Śaṅkarācārya’s explanation of vivarta-vāda and pariṇāma-vāda has been detected by the Vaiṣṇava ācāryas, especially Jīva Gosvāmī, whose opinion is that actually Śaṅkara did not understand the Vedānta-sūtra. In Śaṅkara’s explanation of one sūtra, ānanda-mayo ’bhyāsāt, he has interpreted the affix mayaṭ with such word jugglery that this very explanation proves that he had little knowledge of the Vedānta-sūtra but simply wanted to support his impersonalism through the aphorisms of the Vedānta philosophy. Actually, however, he failed to do so because he could not put forward strong arguments. In this connection, Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī cites the phrase brahma pucchaṁ pratiṣṭhā (Taittirīya Upaniṣad 2.5), which gives Vedic evidence that Brahman is the origin of everything. In explaining this verse, Śrīpāda Śaṅkarācārya interpreted various Sanskrit words in such a way that he implied, according to Jīva Gosvāmī, that Vyāsadeva had very little knowledge of higher logic. Such unscrupulous deviation from the real meaning of the Vedānta-sūtra has created a class of men who by word jugglery try to derive various indirect meanings from the Vedic literatures, especially the Bhagavad-gītā. One of them has even explained that the word kurukṣetra refers to the body. Such interpretations imply, however, that neither Lord Kṛṣṇa nor Vyāsadeva had a proper sense of word usage or etymological adjustment. They lead one to assume that since Lord Kṛṣṇa could not personally sense the meaning of what He was speaking and Vyāsadeva did not know the meaning of what he was writing, Lord Kṛṣṇa left His book to be explained later by the Māyāvādīs. Such interpretations merely prove, however, that their proponents have very little philosophical sense.
Etymology is the study of the sources of words as well as their development
Srila Prabhupada exposes all truths!
Ys Hasti Gopala Dasa
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
In all of my other books-Srimad Bhagavatam, Sri Isopanisad, etc-the system is that I give the original verse, its English transliterations, word-for-word sanskrit-english equivalents, translations and purports.This makes the book very authentic and scholarly and makes the meaning self evident.
Preface to Bhagavad Gita