A few gems from Srila Prabhupada about Bhaktivinoda Thakura

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Divine appearance of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura
Tuesday, September 17, 2013

By Yasodanandana Das

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. And so-called educated, they practically guide. You’ll be surprised to know that in 1950, one of my students, he was a government statistics officer. So he went to some village, and he gave me report that the villagers inquired from him that “Babuji, agar angarej ko vote diya yai pasatela ”

Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: You understand Hindi? No.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: No, I don’t. No, no, no.
Srila Prabhupāda: No. The inquiry was that “If we again give votes to the Englishmen, will they come and do.” (laughs)
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes, yes.

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. So they were feeling the… Actually, in India… In our childhood, we know. Every Indian felt very secure. They never expected that Britishers will go. They were so sympathetic. And now they… This is the pulse felt by that statistics officer. They are not very much satisfied with the present system of government. British administration was very much appreciated by the Indians. Even Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura appreciated. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, he has written in something, somewhere, that “The Britishers also very nice because they don’t interfere with the religious affairs.” So as soon as they changed their views and tried to divide the Hindus and Muslims, the British Empire lost. According to Queen’s declaration, the Britishers pledged that “They will not interfere with your religious affairs.” Later on, for political purposes, when they interfered with this Hindu-Muslim question, then the British Empire lost.Conversations : 1973 Conversations : July, 1973 : Room Conversation with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Famous Historian, at his home or office — July 22, 1973, London

Srila Prabhupāda: We are translating the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and other Vedic literature. You have seen the sample, original verse, word to word meaning, then translation, then giving a purport.

Professor La Combe: You wrote the commentary.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Professor La Combe: What is the paramparā from Caitanya?

Srila Prabhupāda: From Caitanya Mahāprabhu? Yes. The Six Gosvāmīs: Rūpa, Sanātana, Bhaṭṭa Raghunātha, Śrī Jīva, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa, Dāsa Raghunātha. The Six Gosvāmīs. Then from the Gosvāmīs there is Śrīnivāsācārya. Then from him, I think, this Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, and then Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. Then Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, then Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, then Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, then Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, then my Guru Mahārāja. Next we are. I am the tenth or eleventh, eleventh from Caitanya Mahāprabhu.Conversations : 1974 Conversations : June, 1974 : Room Conversation with Professor Oliver La Combe Director of the Sorbonne University — June 14, 1974, Paris :

Srila Prabhupāda: Vedas, when Lord Buddha wanted stop animal killing, these rascals came with Vedas. “Vedas there is sacrifice, there is animal killing.” So he thought that these rascals will create botheration. By bringing Vedas, there is… He said, “I don’t care for it.”
veda nā māniyā bauddha haya ta nāstika
vedāśraya nāstikya-vāda bauddhake adhika
Similarly, these rascals are giving evidence of Rūpa Gosvāmī’s advice, that “Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa…” But whether you have followed other things.
Guest: Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ…
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ, pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. Etān vegān yo viṣa… You are manipulated by the udara-vegam, upastha-vegam. First there is test: etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ [NoI 1]. Then for him Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. He has got three dozen sevā-dāsī, and living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. My Guru Mahārāja wanted to publish Govinda-līlāmṛta. He asked permission of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. So first of all Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, “I’ll tell you some day.” And when he reminded, he said, “Yes you can print one copy. If you are so much anxious to print it, print one copy. You’ll read and you will see that you have printed. Not for distribution.” So we are printing all these books for understanding properly. Not that “Here is Rādhā-kuṇḍa. Let us go.” Jump over like monkey. “Here is rāsa-līlā. Immediately…”
Acyutānanda: Even in Kṛṣṇa book rāsa-līlā should not be told in public.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, why? Kṛṣṇa book must be there, in the book must be there.
Acyutānanda: But in public…
Srila Prabhupāda: But you should go gradually. You should go gradually. You first of all understand Kṛṣṇa, then kṛṣṇa-līlā. If you have not understood Kṛṣṇa, then you’ll think Kṛṣṇa’s rāsa-līlā is just like we mix with young women. And that becomes as polluted. Because they do not understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānām [Bg. 7.3]. Kṛṣṇa understanding so easy? If you do not understand Kṛṣṇa how can you go to the Kṛṣṇa’s confidential activities?
Acyutānanda: Some of the devotees, they said that it is for liberated souls. So they said, “Well, we are all liberated.”
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. Liberated for going to hell.
Devotee: In your Kṛṣṇa book, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you’ve given such clear explanations along with the stories of Kṛṣṇa that it’s very difficult to misinterpret, because you use such clear explanation.
Srila Prabhupāda: No, you read all the books first of all. Then you’ll be able to understand.Conversations : 1976 Conversations : August, 1976 : Room Conversation — August 16, 1976, Bombay
Rāmeśvara: In the Fifth Canto, you’ve quoted from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura that the most sacred place in the whole universe is Śrī Māyāpura-dhāma.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: In all the universe.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In each universe there is a Vṛndāvana and a Māyāpura. That means in each universe there’s a planet earth like this planet?

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many planets. Each universe full of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. There are millions of universes, and in each universe there are millions of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. (end) Conversations : 1976 Conversations : June, 1976 : Morning Walk — June 7, 1976, Los Angeles :

Ambassador: What was your connection with McGill? I heard from…
Srila Prabhupāda: (Sic:) McGill. McGill I was…
Ambassador: You preached first in McGill?
Srila Prabhupāda: No, I was lecturing only.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura’s [break]
Srila Prabhupāda: He sent his first book…
Ambassador: Yes.
Srila Prabhupāda: …in 1896. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was the first origin of this movement. But he simply thought of it. And he was expecting some others that willing to take up the work. Well, somebody says that I am the same man. And I was born in 1896. So he wanted to combine the whole civilized nations under this Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s cult, Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. I think I have given this hint in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya.Conversations : 1975 Conversations : March, 1975 : Room Conversation with Canadian Ambassador to Iran — March 13, 1975, Iran :

Subject: List of Books of Thakura Bhaktivinoda

Following is a list of selected writings of Srila Bhaktivinoda, which number more than one hundred books, poems and articles authored by the Thakur.
1849 Ula-candi-mahatmya (Bengali) – Verses glorifying the Ula-candi deity of Birnagar
1850 Hari-katha (Bengali) – Topics of Lord Hari – a poem
1850 Llla-kirtana (Bengali) – A poem glorifying the Lord’s Pastimes
1851 Sumbha-Nisumbha-yuddha (Bengali) – Verses about Durga’s battle with the two demons, Sumbha and Nisumbha
1855 This year commenced the beginning of articles published in various periodicals and magazines
1860 Maths of Orissa (English) – Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s visits to various Orissa temples, monasteries
1863 Hjana-grama (Bengali) – The Deserted Village – Thakura Bhaktivinoda’s poem about Ula, the village of his birth. He returned to find it’s population decimated from cholera.
1863 Sannyassi (Bengali) – Poem
1866 Speech (English) – Gautama – Lecture about Gautama Muni and the philosophy of nyaya (logic)
1868 Sac-cid-dnanda-premalankara (Bengali) – Poem composed by The Thakura after his first reading of Caitanya-caritamrta
1869 The Bhagavat: Its Philosophy, Its Ethics, and Its Theology (English) Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam (PDF)writings/bhagavata.pdf
1870 Garbha-stotra-vyakhya (Bengali) – Prayers by the Demigods for Sri Krsna, in the womb. From the Tenth Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam
1871 Thakura Haridasa (English) – About Namacarya Haridasa Thakura’s disppearance, from the engravings on the samadhi tomb at Jagannatha Puri
1871 The Temple of Jaganntha at Puri (English) – The history of the establishment of the great temple in Puri, Orissa, and the hypocrisy of temple priests as opposed to sincere devotional worship in pure love of God.writings/mandir.htm
1871 The Akharas in Puri (English) – Criticisms on monasteries in Jagannatha Puri
1871 The Personality of Godhead (English)
1871 Saragrahi (English) – Poem about the mood of a devotee who knows how to extract the essence of Krsna consciousness from all things
1871 To Love God (English) – An article describing Bhakti as the religion of the soul, based on Christ’s teachings.
1871 The Attibaris of Orissa – Editorial letter challenging a sect of pseudo Vaisnavas in Orissa.
1872 Vedantadhikarana-mala (Sanskrit) – Verses on Vedanata with Srila Bhaktivinoda’s Bengali translations and purports.
1874 Datta-kaustubham (Sanskrit) – 104 verses on philosophy with Sanskrit purports.
1876 Datta-vamsa-mala – A description of the Thakur’s family tree; genealogy of the Datta family of Bali Samaj.
1878 Bauddha-vijaya-kavyam (Sanskrit) – Poem on the defeat of atheistic Buddhism
1880 Sri Krsna-samhita – A major treatise on Lord Krsna and the science of Krsna consciousness. Long introduction on philosophy and historical development of Indian religion. Samhita is 281 Sanskrit verses with purports. Srila Bhaktivinoda explains that his conclusions were revealed to him while in deep spiritual trance.writings/non-sectarian.htm
1881 Sri Sri Kalyan Kalpa-taru – Songbook of 63 Bengali songs describing the Desire-Tree of spiritual life in service to Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai. (RTF)writings/kalyana.rtf
1881Sajjana-tosani (Bengali) – Monthly periodical, 17 volumes extant.
1883 Review of Nitya-rupa-samstha-panam, a book on the eternal nature of the Lord’s Deity form.writings/vigraha.htm
1886 Srimad Bhagavad-gita – Included Sanskrit commentary on Gita by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura entitled Sarartha-varsini, along with the Thakura’s elaborate Bengali introduction and Bengali translation and purport of verses, entitled Rasika-ranjana.
1886 Sri Caitanya-siksamrta (Bengali) – Prose work on Lord Caitanya’s instructions and their application in the modern world.
1886 Sri Sanmodana-bhasyam (Sanskrit) – commentary of Lord Caitanya’s Siksastakam, with a Bengali song for each verse that expands on Lord Caitanya’s devotional moods. (RTF)writings/sanmodaya.rtf
1886 Bhajana-darpana-bhasya (Sanskrit) – Commentary on Srila Raghunatha das Gosvami’s Manah-siksa.
1886 Dasopanisad-curnika (Bengali) – Prose book on the essentials from ten principal Upanisads.
1886 Bhavavali (Sanskrit) – Verses about rasa, as written by different Acaryas, published along with Bhaktivinoda Thakur’s Bengali song translation of the verses.
1886 Prema-pradipa (Bengali) – A philosophical novel about three men from Calcutta who travel to Vrndavana to meet a Vaisnava. Two are impersonalists who gradually develop devotion to the Supreme Lord, but the third is misled by the mystic yoga process. (Word)writings/pradipa.doc
1886 Sri Visnu-sahasra-nama-stotram – 1,000 names of Lord Visnu from Mahabharata, published by the Thakura with Sanskrit commentary of Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana.
1887 Sri Krsna-vijaya (Bengali) – The pastimes of Lord Krsna, composed in the 1470’s by Maladhara Vasu (Gunaraja Khan), with Bhaktivinoda’s Bengali introduction. This book was one of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s favorite books.
1887 Sri Caitanyopanisad (Sanskrit) – Nineteen verses with Bhaktivinoda’s Sanskrit commentary, on Sri Krsna’s appearance as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
1890 Amnaya-sutram (Sanskrit) -130 aphorisms from Upanisads, with commentary and quotes from various ancient scriptures. Bhaktivinoda’s own Bengali translation called the Laghu-bhdsya on the principle truths of Vaisnava philosophy.
1890 Sn Navadvipa-dhama-mahatmyam (Bengali) – Eighteen chapters describing the complete tour of the land of Navadvipa as traversed by Lord Nityananda. (RTF) Picture (Metafile)writings/navadvip.rtf
1890 Siddhanta-darpanam (Bengali) – Translation of the Sanskrit work by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana. It quotes from many scriptures that Srimad-Bhagavatam is the crown jewel of all the Puranas.
1891 Srimad Bhagavad-gita – With Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana’s Sanskrit commentary, Gita-bhusana.
1891 Sri Godruma Kalpatavi (Bengali) – Collected essays describing Srila Bhaktivinoda’s program of Nama-hatta, the Market Place of the Holy Name. He describes the personnel of the marketplace, how the holy names are purchased, various officers of the market, qualifications of the participants, and descriptions of his actual preaching activities.
1892 Sri Hari-nama – A pamphlet for public distribution, describing the transcendental glories of the holy names, and the ten offenses against the chanting of the holy names.
1892 Si Nama – A pamphlet for public distribution, describing the 100 names of Lord Caitanya in eight songs meant to be sung in kirtana, with three more songs on Lord Caitanya’s glories, and a Bengali essay from Lord Caitanya’s instructions.
1892 Sri Nama-tattva-siksastaka – A pamphlet for public distribution, describing Lord Caitanya’s Siksastaka, with Bengali rpose translation and songs.
1892 Sri Nama-mahima – A pamphlet for public distribution on the eight-verse Sanskrit prayer by Srila Rupa Gosvami called Sri Namastakam, describingthe glories of the holy name of the Lord. Accompanying each verse is the Thakura’s Bengali prose translation and songs.
1892 Sri Nama-pracara – A pamphlet for public distribution with various songs he composed for the general public to sing in kirtana and bhajana, containng the basics of Lord Caitanva’s teachings.
1892 Sriman Mahaprabhur Siksa (Bengali) – Describing Lord Caitanya’s philosophy in eleven chapters (dasa-mula), with purports. (RTF)writings/siksamrta.rtf
1892 Vaisnava-siddhanta-mala (Bengali) – Summary of the basic tenets of Gaudlya Vaisnava philosophy, composed for the general public.writings/mala.htm
1893 Sri Tattva-viveka – A treatise on Realizations of Eternity, Knowledge and Bliss, discussing Lord Caitanya’s teachings compared to other Oriental and Western philosophers. (RTF)writings/viveka.rtf
1893 Soka-satana – A book of 13 Bengali songs for the general public.
1893 Saranagati (Bengali) – A book of 50 songs about Love of God, it has became very famous in India, and its songs are sung daily in hundreds of temples. (RTF) (Balarama font)writings/saranagati.rtf
1893 Gitavali (Bengali) – A book of 73 songs to be sung regularly by devotees. Used as part of daily devotional practice. (RTF)writings/gitavali.rtf
1893 Gita-mala (Bengali) – A book of 80 songs, arranged in five chapters. (RTF)writings/gitamala.rtf
1893 Baula-sangita (Bengali) – A book of 12 songs, intended to help the public understand the difference between the false Baulas (wandering fakirs) and the real Baulas.
1893 Dalaler Gita (Bengali) – A song describing Lord Nityanana’s opening of the Marketplace of the Holy Name in Navadvipa.
1893 Jaiva Dharma (Bengali) – A philosophical novel in 40 chapters, this question and answer dialogue discussions in-depth aspects of the philosophy. (Word)writings/jaiva_dharma_1-6.docChapters 1-612-1718-2324-3233-40
1893 Tattva-sutram – 50 Sanskirt aphorisms with commentary in Sanskrit and Bengali. (Balarama font)writings/tattwa.htm
1894 Vedarka-didhiti – commentary on the Isopanisad, including various commentary and purports on Isopanisad.
1894 Tattva-muktavali – 119 Sanskrit verses composed by Sri Madhvacarya to refute the Sankaracarya impersonalists, with Bhaktivinoda’s Bengali translations.
1895 Amrta-pravaha-bhasya (Bengali) – commentary on Krsna dasa Kaviraja’s Sriu Caitanya-caritamrta.
1895 Hari-bhakti-kalpa-latika (Sanskrit) – A work on pure devotion by an unknown author, which Thakura Bhaktivinoda edited and published in Puri.
1895 Sodasa Grantha (Sanskrit) – Sixteen works by Sri Vallabhacarya, edited and published by the Thakura.
1895 Sri Gauranga-stava-kalpataru (Sanskrit) – A twelve verse poem by Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, edited and published by the Thakura.
1895 Manah-santosani (Bengali) – A translation of the Sanskrit Sri Krsna Caitanyodayavali by Pradyumna Misra, a close relative of Lord Caitanya.
1895 Mukunda-mala-stotram (Sanskrit) – Sixty-two verses glorifying the Lord’s transcendental position, composed by King Kulasekhara.
1895 Sri Laksmi-carita (Bengali) – A short work by Sri Maladhara Vasu, edited and published by Bhaktivinoda Thakura.
1895 Bala-Krsna-sahasra-nama (Sanskrit) – The 1,000 names of Baby Krsna; 1,000 names of Cowherd boy Krsna; 108 names of Krsna; and 1,000 names of Srimati Radharani.
1895 Sriman Mahaprabhor Asta-kaliya-lila-smarana-mangala-stotram (Sanskrit) – An eleven verse poem for Remembrance of Lord Caitanya’s day-long pastimes.
1896 Sri Gauranga-lila-smarana-mangala-stotram (Sanskrit) – 104 Sanskrit verses describing all the pastimes and teachings of Lord Caitanya found in Sri Caitanya-bhagavata and Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, with English introduction on life and precepts of Lord Caitanya.
1896 Sri Ramanuja-upadesa (Bengali) – Sanskrit verses on the life teachings of Sripad Ramanujacarya, with Bengali translation.
1896 Artha-pancaka (Bengali) – Explanatory notes on Sri Pillai Lokacarya’s book on the five principle points of Ramanuja’s philosophy.
1896 Sva-likhita Jivania (Bengali) – A 200-page prose letter written to his son, Lalita Prasad Datta, who requested the details of his father’s personal life.
1897 Brahma-samhita (Bengali) – Edited and published by Srila Bhaktivinoda, with original Sanskrit verses, Srilaq Jiva Gosvami’s commentary, and the Thakura’s Bengali introduction, translations and purports, called Prakasini.
1898 Sri Krsna-karnamrta (Bengali) – Original Sanskrit verses and commentary on Sri Sri Radha-Krsna’s conjugal pastimes by Sri Bilvamangala Thakura, published and edited by the Tahkura with introduction, final Bengali translations and summary.
1898 Piyusa-varsini-vrtti (Bengali) – A commentary on Srila Rupa Gosvami’s Upadesamrta (Nectar of Instruction).
1898 Srimad Bhagavad-gita – edited and published by Srila Bhaktivinoda, with Sanskrit commentary Dvaita-bhasyam by Sripada Madhvacarya.
1898 Sri Goloka-mahatmyam (Bengali) – Original Sanskrit text and Bhaktivinoda’s translations of Sanatana Gosvami’s Brhad-bhagavatamrta.
1899 The Hindu Idols (English) – A 32-page letter of rebuttal to a Christian articile slandering Kali, Durga and Lord Siva.
1899 Sri Bhajanamrta (Bengali) – Original Sanskrit by Srila narahari Sarakara Thakura, an associate of Lord Caitanya, with Srila Bhaktivinoda’s Bengali translation.
1899 Sri Navadvipa-bhava-taranga (Bengali) – 168 verses glorifying the area of Navadvipa. (RTF)writings/taranga.rtf
1900 Sri Harinama-cintamani (Bengali) – Srila Haridasa Thakur’s teachings on the Holy Name. (RTF)writings/harinama.rtf
1901 Srimad Bhagavatarka-marici-mala (Bengali) – Original Sanskrit verses with Bengali prose translations and purports.
1901 Padma Purana (Sanskrit) – Original Sanskrit verses, edited and published by Srila Bhaktivinoda.
1901 Sankalpa-kalpadruma (Bengali) – Original Sanskrit verses, edited and published with Bengali translationsby Srila Bhaktivinoda.
1902 Padma Purana (Bengali) – Published as a supplement to his Harinama-cintamani.
1904 Sat-kriya-sara-dipika (Bengali) – A Sanskrit work from Hari-bhakti-vilasa by Srila Gopala Bhatta Gosvami, with Bhaktivinoda’s prose translation.
1906 Prema-vivarta (Bengali) – Edited and published by Bhaktivinoda Thakura, this book by jagadananda Pandita discusses Sri Caitanya’s philosophy on divine love, and various types of devotees and service.
1907 Sva-niyama-dvadasakam (Bengali) – The last literary work of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura before he retired to his cottage at Jagannath Puri. This book of verses of self-imposed vows is Sanskrit verses with Bengali translations
The following works of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur either have no specific publication dates, are extracts from larger works, or are otherwise miscellaneous:
  • Apasampradayer Svarupawritings/apasampradayer.htm
  • Ajna Tahal – Nityananda Mahajanawritings/ajna.htm
  • Baladeva Vidyabhusana-caritaq
  • Dasa-mula-niryasawritings/dasamula.htm
  • From Moses to Mahaprabhuwritings/moses.htm
  • Life and Precepts of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhuwritings/precepts.htm
  • Navadvipa-satakam
  • Songs by Bhaktivinoda Thakurwritings/songs.htm
  • Sri Bhajana-rahasyawritings/bhajana.rtf
  • Sri Bhaktyalokawritings/bhaktyaloka.rtf
  • Sri Visnu Priya O Ananda Bazar Patrika
  • Vedanta-sutra
This is an incomplete list of Thakura Bhaktivinoda’s works, excerpted from various sources, including the list compiled by Dasaratha-suta dasa for the book, “The Seventh Goswami”.

Comments

  1. Guru Parampara dasa says:

    Bhaktivinode Thakura has written that there are guru’s that fall from the position. This the hypocritical, lousy ritviks don’t accept. They truly don’t understand anything, these ignorant idol worshippers.

  2. Mahesh Raja says:

    Guru Parampara dasa(Raja Gopala das the Original Gypsy) says:
    17. September 2013 at 9:16 pm
    Bhaktivinode Thakura has written that there are guru’s that fall from the position. This the hypocritical, lousy ritviks don’t accept. They truly don’t understand anything, these ignorant idol worshippers.

    Mahesh: WHATEVER Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura has written WE Prabhupadanugas take it from Srila Prabhupada there is no JUMPING OVER:

    731208SB.LA Lectures
    So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acarya, immediate next acarya.

    73-12-25.Letter: Gurukrpa , Yasodanandana
    Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction.

    Note: the idea that Diksa guru (Mahabhagavata) falls down is REJECTED by Srila Prabhupada. And these deviants want to USE Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura’s or Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura’s writings to INTERPOLATE their OWN concoctions to OPPOSE and DEFY Srila Prabhupada.

    EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THESE ISKCON CONDITIONED SOUL VOTED-IN BY BOGUS GBC SO-CALLED GURUS (DEVIANTS) ARE NOT MAHABHAGAVATA SO —-THEY WANT TO CONCOCT ANOTHER ENTITY OF “GURU” WHO FALLS DOWN.

    Madhya 22.71 The Process of Devotional Service
    It should be understood that a madhyama-adhikari, a second-class devotee, is fully convinced of Krsna consciousness but cannot support his convictions with sastric reference. A neophyte may fall down by associating with nondevotees because he is not firmly convinced and strongly situated. The second-class devotee, even though he cannot support his position with sastric reference, can gradually become a first-class devotee by studying the sastras and associating with a first-class devotee. However, if the second-class devotee does not advance himself by associating with a first-class devotee, he makes no progress. THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT A FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEE WILL FALL DOWN, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY MIX WITH NONDEVOTEES TO PREACH. Conviction and faith gradually increase to make one an uttama-adhikari, a first-class devotee.

    NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
    The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.

    Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
    MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
    brahmano vai gurur nrnam
    sarvesam eva lokanam
    asau pujyo yatha harih

    maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
    sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
    sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
    na guruh syad avaisnavah

    ((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
    Note The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO gives this BY DEFINITION.

    Note: these DEVIANTS are after CHANGING Srila Prabhupada’s Books to SUIT their CROOK mentality another instance was where Bhakti Vikas wanted to change: IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES.

    Madhya 7.130 The Lord’ s Tour of South India
    The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.

    Bhakti Vikasa Interpolation Vs the Truth
    http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti%20vikasa-interpolation-vs-the-truth

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    Bhakti Vikasa is a SAHAJIYA
    http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti-vikasa-is-a-SAHAJIYA

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    Bg 16.1-3 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures
    Satyam. This word means that one should not distort the truth for some personal interest.

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  3. Mahesh Raja writes ; ” EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THESE ISKCON CONDITIONED SOUL VOTED-IN BY BOGUS GBC SO-CALLED GURUS (DEVIANTS) ARE NOT MAHABHAGAVATA SO —-THEY WANT TO CONCOCT ANOTHER ENTITY OF “GURU” WHO FALLS DOWN. ”

    Indeed, there are all sorts of gurus out there who attract the conditioned jivas like Raja Gopala, the Gypsy or Guruparampara dasa whatever name this conditioned jiva is known by, and yet this Sadharan Jiva makes some noise of his own for and on behalf of such cheap guru whom so ever he worships as good as God Himself when he writes non sense comments such as ;

    ” Guru Parampara dasa says:
    17. September 2013 at 9:16 pm
    Bhaktivinode Thakura has written that there are guru’s that fall from the position. This the hypocritical, lousy ritviks don’t accept. They truly don’t understand anything, these ignorant idol worshippers.”

    Instead of following the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada :

    ” Madhya 7.130 The Lord’ s Tour of South India
    The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.”

    THESE CHEAP GURUS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS WHO ACCEPT DISCIPLES IN THE INSTITUTION WHERE IT IS PROHIBITED TO ACCEPT ONES’ OWN DISCIPLES PROTECT AND PROMOTE THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS IN ORDER TO MISLEAD AND CHEAT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE BY MISREPRESENTATION.

    Hope this mischievous person Guru Parampara dasa gets it.

    Hari BOL. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

  4. Guru Parampara dasa says:

    @Mahesh Raja

    Bhaktivinode Thakura has written that there are guru’s that fall from the position. This the hypocritical, lousy ritviks don’t accept. They truly don’t understand anything, these ignorant idol worshippers.

    “Mahesh: WHATEVER Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura has written WE Prabhupadanugas take it from Srila Prabhupada there is no JUMPING OVER:”

    Indeed, you deny the guru-parampara. You’re simply idol worshippers. You will never reach Sri Krsna, not even jnana-yoga. Perhaps you will do some material welfare work, like millions of other atheïsts are doing.

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