http://www.sevaashram.net/2845/srila-janardan-maharaj/
September 20, 2013, PADA, USA: Apparently, the current appointed successor to their mission is Janardana Mahajaraja. He is supposed to be a former ISKCON devotee who left and went over to Sridhara Maharaja. If anyone has more details about him and his program we’d like to know what his status is. Apparently, Tripurari swami has started his own branch separated from Janardan Maharaja, citing that the other successors are not experienced preachers like he is.
Its amazing to us that after Sridhara Maharaja started the false and illicit sex gurus program in India after 1936, and later after 1977 he helped the eleven ISKCON GBC’s create their bogus policies of: zonal gurus, appointed gurus, guru voting systems, policy of falling down among the acharyas, and so on and so forth, that he is still considered as a big authority.
Sridhara Maharaja kept saying that “Swami Maharaja” had appointed eleven gurus, but there is no evidence that even happened? Sridhara Maharaja never apparently even asked to see the evidence, nor does he know that gurus are not appointed, nor does he even know that when people are falling down, they are not gurus? Which is why Srila Prabhupada says his advice can be very harmful to ISKCON.
We cannot help but notice that there are not other centers being built except for this one place in Soquel. Sudhir Krishna is apparently also staying there along with a group of ex-ISKCON folks. We are however indebted to Sudhir Krishna for giving us a pile of transcripts of the GBC talking to Sridhara Maharaja in the late 1970s where he said things like “none should protest” the bogus 11 gurus, that gurus sometimes “go mad” after money, women and followers, that the spirit souls are from the brahmajyoti, and so many other talks with Sridhara Maharaja which reveal how he was a big supporter of the false gurus of ISKCON and various apa-siddhanta.
We never get any answer either from the Danavir and Bhakti Vikas maharaja groups as to why they supported everyone accepting Sridhara Maharaja as the “shiksha guru” authority of ISKCON in 1978? Why did these people not stop the nonsense when Sridhara Maharaja helped the GBC write their position paper “The Mahajanas Have Difficulties” in 1980, a paper that attacks the Mahajanas? Why didn’t anyone raise the alarm when Sridhara Maharaja said we originate in brahman, which is actually mayavada siddhanta? And now these SM people are putting Lord Siva deities in some of their temples and etc.
Anyway, if anyone knows more about these folks and has some incidents of their current preaching, for example — if they have ever explained why they supported the bogus 11 etc. we’d like to know. And if their current acharya is a former ISKCON member, are they not making neophytes into acharyas — again, after they fumbled that issue ever since 1936? ys pd
References:
The bogus guru appointment:
httpv://youtu.be/D_ogsiUTOa8
Sridhar Maharaja in 1972:
httpv://youtu.be/YqCFMHLisBI
Sridhara Maharaja and the 11 GBC gurus:
httpv://youtu.be/oFjove-LKKE
Practically whole situation in Gaudiya-matha is split up same way like after Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja left in 1936.
In the West they mostly have Narayana Swami followers, who don’t want to have anything to do with Sridhar Swami followers.
Same with Srila Puri Maharaja followers who don’t want to have anything to do with with other GM groups either. E.g. Paramadvaiti Swami who accepted Sridhar Swami as his siksa guru is no more welcome in Puri Maharaja’s temples. And so on and so forth.
In sum this is exactly what Prabhupada did not want to have – replica of post 1936 Gaudiya-matha fragmentation into multiple inefficient competing mini missions who accomplish what exactly?
Yuga-dharma, Sankirtan movement, how Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement can be splintered? This is yet another quadrature of the circle, something concocted by materialistic brain.
Of course, Bhaktisiddhanta gave a most difficult instruction; have a spiritual organisation, not run by one person but by a group of people.
Srila Prabhupada executed his will by organising a GBC. Prior to Bhaktisiddhanta the disciplic succession, for 5000 years!, went from person to person. From guru to disciple, not via a spiritual organisation run by more than one person.
That Iskcon and the GBC expieriences so many difficulties is therefore not really strange. Luckily one doesn’t need a guru when one is somewhat more developed. This Srila Praphupada very nicely explaines in his BG 3.9 purport. “In the beginning of ones’ spiritual life one needs the guidance of an expert devotee …”
Most devotees are neophytes, they worship the guru as if he is some popstar. You see that within Iskcon some times, you see that among ritviks all of the time.
The sole purpose of becoming submissive to a guru is to become conscious of Sri Krsna. That is what the guru wants. He doesn’t want you to become “guru conscious”. That’s fanatism, perhaps a nice level for beginning devotees that have that particular preference.
Guru Parampara dasa(Raja Gopala das the Original Gypsy) says: Luckily one doesn’t need a guru when one is somewhat more developed.
Mahesh: Just see! the rascal – he is Mayavadi:
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Yasomatinandana: Spiritual master gives knowledge, and then a disciple is eternally indebted to spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasomatinandana: It is not that, like Mayavadis, they serve the spiritual master in the beginning and then they…
Prabhupada: Then they…
Yasomatinandana: …themselves become…
Prabhupada: …throw him away, “Go away. I have now learned.” Guru-mara-vidya, to, the knowledge of how to kill guru. Guru-mara-vidya. Their, the philosophy is that you cannot rise up. You take a ladder. But as soon as you rise, throw away the ladder. No more. No more needed. That is Mayavada philosophy. Our philosophy is dhyayan stuvams tasya yasas tri-sandhyam.
@Mahesh Raja
“Mahesh: Just see! the rascal — he is Mayavadi:”
Hahaha, you cannot throw away the guru, that is of course nonsense. Same thing with “killing the guru” or “go away”. How can you arrange for it? It’s impossible, even in the case you would like to …
The relationship becomes s-p-o-n-t-e-n-e-o-u-s when you reach the brahma bhuta platform. Guru is of course part and parcel of Sri Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada preached very much on the madyam adhikari platform. You apparantly take that being the absolute platform and then you start condemning, in this case me. Indeed, you are a gigantic fool.
Vamsi dasa babaji needed a guru? No, he was a liberated babaji, never spoke about guru/disciple. So Vamsi dasa bababji, or any other vaisnava babaji, was/is not bona fide, they are all mayavadis? That’s total crap, of course. It’s just the retarded fantasy of the wannabe “vaisnava”.
Guru Parampara dasa says: Most devotees are neophytes, they worship the guru as if he is some popstar. You see that within Iskcon sometimes; you see that among ritviks all of the time.
How good the ISKCONites are vs the Ritviks has nothing to do with the fact that Srila Prabhupada prescribed “ritvik henceforward” for all future initiations within ISKCON. He didn’t do this out of ego. He did this because he saw that it is the only way to prevent the factionalization of ISKCON.
Before Srila Prabhupada’s glorious disappearance, managing ISKCON nicely was relatively easy because of Srila Prabhupada’s ingenious ritvik system of initiations. Now it’s next to impossible because of the factionalization created by the GBC’s concocted multiple-guru system!
What is it going to take to get them to switch back? Do we have to wait until they are all dead or what?
@Pratyatosa Dasa
I fully disagree on your “ritvik henceforward” fantasies. btw, I know your dry, illogical and fanatical argument.
First become at least brahma bhuta realised, then you won’t write such nonsense anymore.
Guru Parampara dasa says First become at least brahma bhuta realised, then you won’t write such nonsense anymore.
You aren’t even “brahma bhuta realized” enough to realize that you are in the bad habit of using “comma splices.” (Splicing two sentences together with a comma.) When I attended Michigan Tech, I heard tell of a professor who gave an automatic “F” if a student’s essay contained even one comma splice!
So continue with your muddling through this material world wearing blinders. What can we do?
The guru is worshiped eternally, life after life. And later the guru introduces us into our position in the lila of Krishna and so we are connected always. Of course in the GBC / Guru paramara dasa’s ISKCON, you get a new guru every few years when your old guru falls down into illicit sex, drugs and rock and roll music, if not eating meat — as one of them was doing here in Berkeley (I caught him).
Yep, gurus who are engaged in illicit sex are eternal in good Old Gypsy’s guru parampara, this is why Srila Prabhupada says — the demons always worship illicit sex, eternally, and thus they stay in the material world eternally as a result.
The Prabhupadanugas always worship the pure devotee, now, later, next lifetime, next trillion years of lifetimes, that’s the eternal principle, we always worship the pure devotee, forever, we do not stop worship every time we catch the pure devotee engaged in debauchery, that is not the system.
These debauchees are not gurus, were not gurus, could not have been gurus, this is called illusion. ys pd
This man known as Guru Parampara dasa, Raja Gopala dasa, the Gypsy, etc. always contradicts himself when he writes in his comments which read as:
“Luckily one doesn’t need a guru when one is somewhat more developed.”
Else where in his post, he goes on writing comments which read as:
“The relationship becomes s-p-o-n-t-e-n-e-o-u-s when you reach the brahma bhuta platform. Guru is of course part and parcel of Sri Krsna.”
Moreover, I wonder IF this man ever understands at all his own writing when he writes as such.
@Pratyatosa Dasa
“First become at least brahma bhuta realised, then you won’t write such nonsense anymore.”
As Pratyatosa dasa writes very nicely: “Krishna consciousness means consciousness of everything!” Which speaks volume when one reaches to this platform.
Hope this Guru Parampara dasa learns something out of this.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
@Pratyatosa das
There is nothing wrong in using a comma in a sentence as far as I am concerned. I don’t care at all for “a professor” at whatever blablabla university. Further, my native language is not English. Also, Srila Prabhupada’s writings were not very perfect in the grammatical sense.
So, from different angles of vision, you just made a very childish comment …
@Amar Puri
There is no contradiction at all since on the sponteneous platform you’re intimate with the one who attracted you to Krsna consciousness. There is no formal relationship anymore. But hey, you need a few braincells to understand this. Just a few. But you obviously are in great need of already just these few.
Again and again ritviks show great philosophical ignorance. Your friend Pratyatosa Dasa was ignorantly and childishly writing about my use of “comma’s”. A really exalted level of discussing topics. For one with an I.Q. of 85 or so.
Guru Parampara dasa says: There is nothing wrong in using a comma in a sentence as far as I am concerned. I don’t care at all for “a professor” at whatever blablabla university. Further, my native language is not English. Also, Srila Prabhupada’s writings were not very perfect in the grammatical sense. So, from different angles of vision, you just made a very childish comment.
Darn. When I accused you of not passing grade school level English, I was hoping that you would be able to find some fault with my own writing style, so that I could improve. But no such luck. It simply put you completely on the defensive, and your only defense is excuses and low-class name-calling.
Even though you refuse to admit that you even understand what a comma splice is, you, for the first time, succeeded in writing a multiple sentence comment which doesn’t contain any. Congratulations!
Thats what happened to me. As soon as I said — “Debauchees are not Lord Krishna’s successors and acharyas,” then some of the GBC’s gurus and their dedicated followers (and even a number of our compromised God brothers) started saying that I was “using bad language” “punctuation is not correct” “grammar is bad” and so on, and in this way they protected the criminal gurus and their program of MASS banning, beating, molesting, and assassinating the vaishnavas.
These folks think that banning, beating, molesting and assassinating is fine, but you had better watch your commas when writing. Amazing really. I am sure Lord Yamaraja is more concerned with the policy of banning, beating, molesting and killing vaishnavas than he is with — where you placed your commas? Guru Parampara das is an apologist for this program, just like the medieval Catholic Church had official apologists who would write to people after their grand mother was burnt at the stake, to apologize, but not to change the policy. Sorry what is needed is a change of policy. ys pd
This IGNORANT Guru Parampara dasa writes non-sense again ;
” So, from different angles of vision, you just made a very childish comment … ” when he criticise Srila Prabhupada’s writings from his own angle of vision stating ; ” Also, Srila Prabhupada’s writings were not very perfect in the grammatical sense ”
Not understanding and realizing at all that the meaning of Srila Prabhupada’s writing is very clear and easily understood to the readers whereas the writing of this deviant follower Guru Parampara dasa of the deviant guru contradicts his own writing when he writes nonsensical comments as pointed out in my post let alone his wrong grammatical sentence.
That is why he is not concerned of what rubbish he writes to protect and promote the philosophy of his deviant guru as good as God whom he washes his dirty feet daily.
Does he get it ? Hope he does.
(Raja gopala das the Original gypsy) Guru Parampara dasa says: Also, Srila Prabhupada’s writings were not very perfect in the grammatical sense.
Mahesh: This man has no brains left – he is always seeking to criticize or find some fault in Srila Prabhupada on something. Srila Prabhupada was on TRANSCENDENTAL PLATFORM he does not have to comply to YOUR types.You or your CONDITIONED SOUL “guru” can NOT do even 1% of what Srila Prabhupada has achieved, yet you have the AUDICITY to compare yourself to Srila Prabhupada:
Note: SUCH TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURES, EVEN THOUGH IMPERFECTLY COMPOSED, ARE HEARD, SUNG AND ACCEPTED BY PURIFIED MEN WHO ARE THOROUGHLY HONEST.
SB 1.5.11 T Narada’ s Instructions on Srimad-Bhagavatam for Vyasadeva
tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavo
yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavaty api
namany anantasya yaso ‘nkitani yat
srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah
SYNONYMS
tat–that; vak–vocabulary; visargah–creation; janata–the people in general; agha–sins; viplavah–revolutionary; yasmin–in which; prati-slokam–each and every stanza; abaddhavati–irregularly composed; api–in spite of; namani–transcendental names, etc.; anantasya–of the unlimited Lord; yasah–glories; ankitani–depicted; yat–what; srnvanti–do hear; gayanti–do sing; grnanti–do accept; sadhavah–the purified men who are honest.
TRANSLATION
ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT LITERATURE WHICH IS FULL OF DESCRIPTIONS OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL GLORIES OF THE NAME, FAME, FORMS, PASTIMES, ETC., OF THE UNLIMITED SUPREME LORD IS A DIFFERENT CREATION, FULL OF TRANSCENDENTAL WORDS DIRECTED TOWARD BRINGING ABOUT A REVOLUTION IN THE IMPIOUS LIVES OF THIS WORLD’S MISDIRECTED CIVILIZATION. SUCH TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURES, EVEN THOUGH IMPERFECTLY COMPOSED, ARE HEARD, SUNG AND ACCEPTED BY PURIFIED MEN WHO ARE THOROUGHLY HONEST.
Hahahaha, even Puranjana dasa concludes his ritvik friend is a very childish person with his “comma” whining.
Guru Parampara dasa says Hahahaha, even Puranjana dasa concludes his ritvik friend is a very childish person with his “comma” whining.
Puranjana Prabhu is humble. He is not claiming to be “brahma bhuta realized,” like you are.
Dear Prabhus, arguing with these crow-like folk only increases their irritating screeching and ultimately causes them to commit more Vaisnava aparadha. They have no intention of hearing submissively and their only goal is to try to ‘bait’ whoever they can into engaging with them in useless slanging matches. Just like in the early days the ‘Christians’ used to come up to us on book distribution with at first what seemed an innocent inquiry, only to reveal their real intentions as they left. With a bit of experience we soon learned to recognize them well in advance and not get sucked in. So these crow-like folk should go back to their rubbish dump and crap on each other, and the moderators of this site should also recognize this useless banter for what it is…simply Maya putting up another obstacle, and not approve these offensive comments.
Yhs,
Bd.
“Also, Srila Prabhupada’s writings were not very perfect in the grammatical sense ”
So, when I state the above I am critcising SP? You folks are truly retarded …
One thing you perhaps will do will your craziness; attract the same tribal folks like you. That’s very handy for us, the true followers of HDG SP & the guru parampara.
@Pratyatosa Dasa
You don’t give any evidence that you know what “humility” is so you’re simply unable to judge.
btw The brahma bhuta platform is very easily attained for a vaisnava. But that’s the difficulty for dry parroting idol worshippers: becoming a vaisnava.
Actually, I saw a YT movie with Madhu Pandit giving one of his exalted “guru classes”. Pretty funny in terms of content. In terms of emotions; was the guy falling asleep? Or just deeply immersed in his bank account?
@Balaram das
Are you refering to me? Actualy I am making propaganda for bhakti yoga. Just trying to make you folks understand that idol worship, dry parroting and commiting huge vaisnava aparadha will not bring you to Sri Krsna, the object of spiritual life.
@Guru Parampara dasa
Worst damage in human society is to have rascals like Guru Parampara dasa shamelessly promoting false God’s direct representatives although meanwhile having produced tons of false gurus.
Agreed, we live in age of corruption but what is worst corruption? According sastra it is falsely posing as God’s direct representative. Then all these other “nice” candidates for hell are listed.
So Guru Parampara dasa’s arrogance rather leaves one speechless. Having produced forty-five fallen God’s direct representatives he even dares to open his mouth. He might be a foolish Indian immigrant making a living in the West by having joined ISKCON?
In any case, I have heard enough, these type of greencard refugees in the dress of Vaishnava are unteachable money-grabbing bastards and not Vaishnava. They might have picked up some GBC slogan like “ritvik poison”, “Prabhupada is buried in Vrindavan”, etc. But this is of course just to remain on his temple pay roll and receive his salary and any other compensation from Euro GBC.
@Bhaktin Rose
“Agreed, we live in age of corruption but what is worst corruption?”
The only corruption is there in your own mind by not becoming conscious of Sri Krsna …
But probably you just refer to the Kali yuga that started 5000 years ago. That’s the lower meaning, specifically meant for start up “devotees”. They are not able to properly understand “time” because of so many conditionings. That’s why there are so many stories in Vedic culture. The story of the four yuga’s, day of Brahma etc. etc. They truly exist, of course. But where actually do they exist? That remains a big mystery for neophyte balker.
Guru Parampara says that eventually you do not need a guru, this is atheism, and no wonder then his guru parampara is full of illicit sex, they already do not have a guru. ys pd
Devotees of course, are also atheïsts since they don’t care for maya or impersonal brahman. They only care for the loving relationship with Sri Krsna, which includes guru. Naturally …
Krsna consciousness is of course something more than idol worship, dry parroting and taking madhyam adhikari preaching to be the Absolute Truth.
For me it’s completely clear, ritviks equals to lack of humility and therefore no philosophical understanding.