Prabhupada:
Our point should be that we shall take all necessary steps for self-protection, depending the result on Krishna. We should not idly sit down simply depending on Krishna!
“A Vaiṣṇava is a fearless devotee of the Lord, and for the right cause he can take any step suitable for the purpose.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Introduction)
“The Lord was then married with great pomp and gaiety, and at this time He began to preach the congregational chanting of the holy name of, the Lord at Navadvīpa. Some of the brāhmaṇas became envious of His popularity, and they put many hindrances on His path. They were so jealous that they finally took the matter before the Muslim magistrate at Navadvīpa. Bengal was then governed by Pathans, and the governor of the province was Nawab Hussain Shah. The Muslim magistrate of Navadvīpa took up the complaints of the brāhmaṇas seriously, and at first he warned the followers of Nimāi Paṇḍita not to chant loudly the name of Hari. But Lord Caitanya asked His followers to disobey the orders of the Kazi, and they went on with their saṅkīrtana (chanting) party as usual.
The magistrate then sent constables who interrupted a saṅkīrtana and broke some of the mṛdaṅgas (drums). When Nimāi Paṇḍita heard of this incident He organized a party for civil disobedience. He is the pioneer of the civil disobedience movement in India for the right cause. He organized a procession of one hundred thousand men with thousands of mṛdaṅgas and karatālas (hand cymbals), and this procession passed over the roads of Navadvīpa in defiance of the Kazi who had issued the order. Finally the procession reached the house of the Kazi, who went upstairs out of fear of the masses(….)
In Kali-yuga only the saṅkīrtana yajña is recommended for all practical purposes. Speaking in this way, the Lord finally convinced the Kazi, who became the Lord’s follower. The Kazi thenceforth declared that no one should hinder the saṅkīrtana movement which was started by the Lord, and the Kazi left this order in his will for the sake of progeny. The Kazi’s tomb still exists in the area of Navadvīpa, and Hindu pilgrims go there to show their respects. The Kazi’s descendants are residents, and they never objected to saṅkīrtana, even during the Hindu-Muslim riot days.
This incident shows clearly that the Lord was not a so-called timid Vaiṣṇava. A Vaiṣṇava is a fearless devotee of the Lord, and for the right cause he can take any step suitable for the purpose. Arjuna was also a Vaiṣṇava devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, and he fought valiantly for the satisfaction of the Lord. Similarly, Vajrāṅgajī, or Hanumān, was also a devotee of Lord Rāma, and he gave lessons to the nondevotee party of Rāvaṇa. The principles of Vaiṣṇavism are to satisfy the Lord by all means. A Vaiṣṇava is by nature a nonviolent, peaceful living being, and he has all the good qualities of God, but when the nondevotee blasphemes the Lord or His devotee, the Vaiṣṇava never tolerates such impudency.”
( Srimad-Bhagavatam Introduction)
Note:
This is a perfect example of peaceful revolution against the GBC (Kazi)! A Vaisnava should not be a crybaby and a coward!
We must fight for the truth in this material world specifically in Kali-Yuga!
Is it not blasphemy to teach against the Vaisnava Acarya’s (Srila Prabhupada’s) instructions and so hinder the saṅkīrtana movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and tell us devotees, that gays, pedophiles, child molesters, murderers, Prostitute-goers, kanistha-adhikaris and madhyam-adhikaris can be a authorized Diksa-Gurus in our Gaudya-Vaisnava-Sampradaya?
“The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class.”
(C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.”
(C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)
Note:
The last two quotes are an information, what/who a diksa guru is.
“Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance. ”
(SP Letter Mukunda 6/10/69)
NOTE:
I can’t recognize that Gays , pedophiles child molesters, murderers, Prostitute-goers , kanistha-adhikaris and madhyam-adhikaris can be a authorized Diksa-Gurus in our Gaudya-Vaisnava-Sampradaya?
“Therefore, by the influence of the age of Kali, everywhere, politically, socially or religiously, everything is topsy-turvy, and therefore for the sane man it is all regrettable.”
(SB 1.16.22)
“This incident shows clearly that the Lord was not a so-called timid Vaiṣṇava. A Vaiṣṇava is a fearless devotee of the Lord, and for the right cause he can take any step suitable for the purpose.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Introduction)
Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu gave us the best example !
Rogues and rascals thrive because honest men don’t speak out. But where are these honest men? Srila Prabhupada tells us:
“Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: jani saksi nahi deya tara papa haya. A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities.’”
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, May 17, 1975, Perth, Australia)
“Regarding the outlaws, why police protection is not there? Does it mean that in the United States if somebody is threatened, he will have no state protection and must submit to the atrocities of the outlaws? Our point should be that we shall take all necessary steps for self-protection, depending the result on Krishna. We should not idly sit down simply depending on Krishna. Arjuna had to fight in the battlefield, but at the same time he heard Bhagavad-gita. Our motto shall be like that.”
(SP to Brahmananda, 9/9/69)
Note by Martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu:
Regarding these bogus gurus, the GBC gave us no protection. Good government means good protection. Not only the GBC gave us no protection, they are responsible for allowing the various individuals to enact their personal ambition. So any disciple of Srila Prabhupada is herein authorized to take an necessary steps for his spiritual as well as material protection. We should not think that we can simply be idle and that Krsna will make all arrangements to uproot the poison. No. We must act. We have to fight this imposition depending the result on Krsna.”
“The reports of your meeting are very encouraging, so try to purge out the contamination, which has entered our Society, uprootedly.”
(SP to Bhagavan, 8/20/70)
Note by Martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu :
“Uprootedly” is the key word here. There is a statement in Krsna Book about King Dasaratha, who “uprooted his enemies just like a farmer uproots unwanted weeds in his field.” This is the authorized mood.
“Unfortunately, attempt has been made lately in our society to shake this formula. This mischievous attempt has done a great harm, but if you the members of the GBC can rectify this mischievous attempt, then still there is hope of making our progress uninterruptedly.I hope Krsna will help us.
There are two verses in the Chanakya sloka how a family or an institution can be glorified or burned into ashes by one person. The Chanakya Pandit says that if there is one tree in the forest producing nice aromatic flower, that one tree can glorify the whole forest by the flavor of its flower. Similarly if there is one tree in whose cavity there is a little fire, that one tree can burn into ashes the whole forest. So this simile is applicable anywhere. In a family if there is one good boy, he can glorify the whole family and similarly if there is bad boy he can burn the whole family into ashes. Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes. The GBC’s duty is therefore to see that every member is following the rules and regulations and chanting sixteen rounds regularly on the beads. I hope the GBC in cooperation with the sannyasis in their touring program will be able to keep vigilance systematically in order to keep the society as pure as possible.”
(SP to Bali-Mardan, 8/25/70)
Note by martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu :
“Prabhupada here is making the direct statement that if there is a very bad boy in this society, then we must find him and purge him out. Prabhupada wanted the GBC to do this. But if the police themselves become criminals, how is it possible? At any rate, it was not Srila Prabhupada’s business to take on the duty of this purging. He gave that ksatriya duty to his disciples as their service. At this point however, the ksatriya inclined devotees from ISKCON have preferred to submerge themselves in wine and women. That is also within the realm of a ksatriya’s propensity, but when he ignores his real duty, that of protecting the brahmins, women, cows, etc., then his indulgence in wine and women simply makes him a debauch. At the present moment there are not one or two but there are many bad boys in ISKCON. Therefore we humbly request those inclined toward ksatriya work to give up their debauchery and come forward to save Prabhupada’s mission. Then they will be properly engaged and very happy.”
“Such men should be taken and beaten very hard with shoes, but it will not be very much to our credit if we are accused of fighting in this way. But if that man is caught trespassing on our property, then he may be severely punished by us.”
(SP to Govinda dasi, 2/12/72)
Note by martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu:
“In other words, Prabhupada was not an advocate of non-violence when a serious offense to the Pure devotee is concerned. In this case it was to Tulasi Devi. In the guru-issue today, it is to Prabhupada.”
“…and I am quite surprised to read it. This does not sound like you. All along I have been discouraged in every way by my Godbrothers, but still I have stuck to my duty, keeping my Spiritual Master always in front. Because there is some fighting or bickering amongst us, that does not mean that I should go away. If I have understood the order of my Spiritual Master rightly, then I must perform my duty under any circumstances and never once think of going away under disgust…”
(SP to Gaursundar, 8/26/72)
Note by martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu :
“It has been said that the departure of the Spiritual Master will separate the strong from the week. Contrary to popular belief, those who stay within “ISKCON” under the present contamination are the cowards, for they are neither strong enough to go out in the world and make it on their own, nor are they strong enough to fight the corruption within ISKCON.”
“If you are always remembering Him by your activities and seeing Krishna everywhere, even in the heart of the demonic persons, then anger will never overcome you, being purified of all false pride. But occasionally if there is good reason, you may have to become angry just to chastise the evil doers and blasphemers. We have seen that Lord Caitanya once nearly killed Jaghai and Madhai for their offenses to His devotee, so like that, if there is offensive behavior to the pure devotees you may become like Nrsinghadeva and punish them severely.”
(SP to Niranjan, 8/29/72)
Note by martyr Sulocana Das Prabhu:
“Anger can be justified, and it can also be sense gratification. The wrong doers will call legitimate anger sense gratification. The sense gratifiers will call their uncontrolled displays defense of Prabhupada. So, ultimately, whether or not the anger is justified is determined by the sastra and the guru vani. That is what demonstrates the sincerity and the integrity of the anger-or lack of anger-of any disciple. By posing as uttama-adhikaris, they are deliberately disobeying Prabhupada’s instructions. Their anger, as well as the anger of their followers, is actually a demoniac display. So it is our duty to make it clear that this cannot go on in the name of Srila Prabhupada. This entails that we become outraged by the bad development that has engulfed the movement. Not showing anger under these circumstances is not purity or tolerance, but cowardice.”
Excerpts from the book
THE GURU BUSINESS
Author: Sulocana das
(Sulocana das was murdered May 22nd, 1986, 1:00 a.m., Los Angeles, two days after this story was written.)
http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/guru_biz.htm
In addition to ISKCON’s current guru system not having any order from Srila Prabhupada to justify its existence, the GBC’s official “brain”, the “Sastric Advisory Council” (SAC), has said that the process by which it does authorise gurus, via voting them in, is not based on “guru, sadhu and sastra”:
“Our present system has institutionalized a process of senior devotees voting or offering no-objection to prospective gurus. But we do not find that this institutionalized blessingseeking process is mentioned by guru, sadhu or sastra as the way that one is authorized to become a guru.”
(Balancing the roles of the GBC and the disciple in Guru selection, SAC)
Here you can find this quote after the half text on this site:
http://gbc.iskcon.org/2012/01/26/balancing-the-roles-of-the-gbc-and-the-disciple-in-guru-selection/
So from every angle, ISKCON’s current guru system is basically a big unauthorised hoax!
“Mundane votes [my add. or GBC 2/3 hand-vote] have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgement. A false acarya may try to override a Vaisnava by a High Court decision, but Bhaktivinode Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga. ”
(CC (BBT 1975) Madhya 1.220)
NOTE:
“A false acarya may try to override a Vaisnava by a High Court decision, but Bhaktivinode Thakura says that he is nothing but A DISCIPLE OF KALI-YUGA. ” !!!!!!
1978 – Guru-by-vote ridiculed:
“You cannot simply elect a person to the post of the most exalted sainthood”
(‘Notes from the Editor’, Back to Godhead #13-01/02, 1978)
“Srila Jiva Gosvami advises that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social, and ecclesiastical conventions.”
(CC (BBT 1975) Adi 1.35)
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT:
„The GBC is the highest ecclesiastical body guiding ISKCON.“
(Back To Godhead)!!
1986 – Guru-by-vote implemented:
“…any GBC can present a diksa guru candidate before the GBC body. Unless the majority of voting members objects to the nomination, the candidate will be placed on a required one year waiting period…upon majority approval of the body, he may take up the responsibilities of an initiating guru in ISKCON.”
(ISKCON GBC Resolution No. 3, March 30th, 1986)
Voting procedures […] for guru candidate […] who will be established by the voting members.
(GBC document.)
Voting for guru process […] by a two third vote of the GBC […] all GBCs are candidates for appointment as guru.
(GBC document.)
GBC: Still “electing people to the post of the most exalted sainthood”
According to these quotes and irrefutable evidence, it is also true that the GBC chooses actually so called diksa gurus!
This is sadly, but also irrefutable proof that the GBC does not accept the disciplic conclusion !!!!
“…disciplic succession does not always mean that one has to be initiated officially. Disciplic succession means to accept the disciplic conclusion.”
(SP Letter to Dinesh, 31/10/69)
Iskcon-GBC says in GBC Resolution: A spiritual master, diksa-Guru may sometimes fall down and become demoniac.
(MYTH)
“The spiritual master is always considered either one of the confidential associates of Radharani or a manifested representation of Sri Nityananda.”
(Cc. Adi. 1.46, Purport)
“The spiritual master is not the question of [‘living’ or ‘dead’]… The spiritual master is eternal–the spiritual master is eternal.”
(SP Lecture, Oct. 2, 1968, Seattle, WA).
“The pure devotee is always free from the clutches of Maya and her influence.”
(S.B. 5.3.14)
“There is no possibility that a first class devotee will fall down.”
(C.c. Madhya, 22.71)
“A spiritual master is always liberated.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamal Krishna, 21/6/70)
SO ALL OF YOU MAY TRY TO SAVE THE SOCIETY FROM THIS DANGEROUS POSITION .” !!!!!!!!!
[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970].
“Our business is to point out who is not a saint.”
(Srila Prabhupada, Morning Walk, April 10th, 1974)
Are you F-Iskcon devotee a crybaby or a coward ?
You say no no, ok then stand up and fight for the truth!
Your servant,
Mathias Sabji
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