How to recognize Mayavadi and Sahajiya leaders

HOW TO RECOGNIZE MAYAVADI AND SAHAJIYA F-ISKCON INFILTRATION AND WHO ARE THE GREATEST MAYAVADI AND SAHAJIYA LEADER IN F-ISKCON!!! After the quotes PLEASE READ the 5 articles at the end.

The instructions of the Acharya are very clear on this subject of hearing from the Mayavadi kirtan singers.

“one should not hear from them”
(NOD, lecture, 1/10/73)

“Caitanya Mahaprabhu has therefore strictly forbidden us to associate with Mayavadi philosophers.”
(The Status Quo: SB 3.19:)

“As far as possible, chanting from the lips of non-devotees should be avoided. Milk touched by the lips of a serpent has poisonous effects”
(Topmost Yoga System Ch. 6: The Hare Krsna Mantra)

Hamsagatih Prabhu writes:

“Prakashananda Saraswati along with all his followers by His own brilliance; not by avoiding their association.”

Some of us see that Srila Prabhupada has instructed “not to associate” with Mayavadis, yet if we do not know what it means to “associate”, then we may confuse “associating” with “preaching”. We see that Srila Prabhupada, in fact, spoke to Mayavadis and debated with them and defeated them in many instances. Prakashananda himself defeated Mayavadis “by arguments”, but not by mere associating. There is a clear, direct distinction between debating, conversing, and “associating” with Mayavadis.

When Srila Prabhupada preached to the Mayavadis, He was very heavy, sharp, and straightforward. He would not try to butter them up. He would never compromise. In fact, when Gurudas Prabhu was sent by Srila Prabhupada to speak in front of them in India, he made a gross analogy comparing the invalid conception of Krishna to that of thinking that a piece of stool is a sweetball. Srila Prabhupada congratulated him afterward.

The instructions on how to preach to them are clear in the following quote:

Prabhupada: “Why compromise? You don’t compromise. Then you associate with him. If you make compromise, then you associate with him. Then gradually you’ll also go down. When we, when we see some person, we do not associate with him, but we give him chance to associate with me. Why you should make compromise? What is the reason? If you know something positively, why should you make compromise? When people come to talk with me, see me, I don’t make any compromise.”
(Srila Prabhupada, June 11, 1974, Paris)

Note:
The results of these Mayavadis “associating” with devotees with their “so-called” Kirtan is that instead of influencing them or preaching to them, they are influencing the ISKCON devotee’s Kirtan instead. Their Kirtan is saturated with Mayavadi mantras. A large portion of (modern) ISKCON’s kirtans are unbonafide songs, cinema tunes and songs, and “Chara Kirtan” (concocted Kirtan). Some Kirtans are learned from Babajis in Vrindavan (whom Srila Prabhupada specifically told us to stay away from – they played them at the LA Ratha Yatra this year) and worse; Mayavadis themselves.

Srila Prabhupada teaches us,

mahajano yena gatah sa panthah”, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate”.
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya Lila 17.186)

And what is that path in this particular case?

“When we, when we see some person, we do not associate with him, but we give him chance to associate with me (Srila Prabhupada).”
(Srila Prabhupada, June 11, 1974, Paris)

Note:
How is this done? This is done by becoming the “trans via medium” through which Srila Prabhupada chants. First there is Sravanam (hearing from the proper source) and THEN Kirtanam (chanting the Holy Names). Why is Srila Prabhupada the Acarya? Srila Prabhupada is the Acarya because “upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darshinah” – “The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.”

He has SEEN the truth. And in fact we know that Srila Prabhupada was SEEING Krishna daily, personally, face to face, eye to eye. Srila Prabhupada has “the eyes to see Him.” He said that Krishna was personally dictating Krishna Book to him, which means that he was HEARING from Krishna. By personally SEEING and HARING the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Srila Prabhupada is “AS GOOD AS GOD”. Therefore we must Kirtanam AFTER Sravanam.

As Prabhupadanugas, followers of the Sampradaya Acarya Srila Prabhupada, we MUST be eager to hear everything clearly from Srila Prabhupada before we Kirtanam.

Our questions should be “How does Srila Prabhupada want us to chant?” “How does Srila Prabhupada want us to deal with different camps, such as Mayavadis?” These two important questions are being ignored by Satyaraj, not only in his book, but in his article, “Serpents Be Damned“, addressing concerns about the new Kirtan book”.

The lack of Sravanam in ISKCON is leading it into a doom. Unless ISKCON’s Kirtan is reformed, there is no hope for Lord Caitanya’s movement. It will just become more and more poisoned.

“We all want this movement to succeed and be pushed forward effectively, this is why I am writing about this subject. I am not faultfinding. Faultfinding means that there is no fault and I am just “fault finding”. These are serious matters and these are serious faults in the Kirtans in “modern” ISKCON, and they should and MUST be addressed. If I do not speak up, then I will certainly “incur sins”.Narah kilbisam asnute.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.44.10)

“One should chant the bona fide songs received from the disciplic succession. In Bhagavad-gita it is said that the chanting is powerful when one follows the disciplic succession – evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh (Bg. 4.2). Manufacturing many ways of chanting will never be effective. However, chanting the song or the narration lef by the previous acaryas (mahajano yena gatah sa panthah) is extremely effective, and this process is very easy.
(Srimad Bhagavatam 7.9.18)

“sampradaya-vihina ye mantras te nisphala matah”

This is a quote from the Padma Purana, and it means that unless one receives a Mantra from the proper disciplic succession, then it will not act. It will have nisphala, or “no effect”.

Srila Prabhupada writes:

“This method is called acarya-sampradaya. It is therefore said, sampradaya-vihina ye mantras te nisphala matah (Padma Purana). The acarya-sampradaya is strictly bona fide. Therefore one must accept the acarya-sampradaya; otherwise one’s endeavor will be futile.”
(Srila Prabhupada, Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31 : PURPORT )

“Also I remember the point that a devotee should not waste 5 years going to school to be ‘a lawyer etc. for Krishna’, when in 5 minutes a devotee can go and preach to an already qualified lawyer and make him a devotee.”
(Srila Prabhupada letter to Sudama, 72-11-5)

Letter from Hansadutta

Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I have noted the controversy regarding “Rock and Roll” type music. Since I was perhaps the first devotee to seriously venture into this orbit of activity I thought I would say a few words from an experienced perspective.

I have heard and understand all the arguments for and against this phenomenon of devotees engaging in Rock music for preaching K.C. But they all seem to miss the essential point which is simply this: If someone is a successful professional Rock musician, as was George Harrison in Prabhupada’s time, then such a person should be encouraged to use his talent to serve Krishna by employing him to dovetail his musical talent, money, and fame in the service of Krishna. This is what Prabhupada did on many occasions , some of which I was personally present.

So this is PROGRESSIVE SPIRITUAL ENGAGEMENT and absolutely in keeping with our philosophy of Yukta Vairagya. However if a person who has already embraced the philosophy and life style of Krishna consciousness, initiated by the Spiritual Master, chanting 16 rounds , 4 regulative principles, sankirtan etc., living in the temple with shaved head, dhotie etc., then although such a person (devotee) may be very talented musically, it would be a REGRESSIVE MATERIAL ENGAGEMENT for him. Which would eventually drag such a person more and more into material activity. This is practically what happened to me, even though at one point I had a record in the top ten over in the Philippines. It is not a question of whether Rock music is good or bad, it is a question of PROGRESSIVE OR REGRESSIVE ENGAGEMENT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION.

Srila Prabhupada engaged and encouraged Allen Ginsburg to lead the chanting of Kirtan wherever he went, not because he thought Allen Ginsburg was good and pure, but because for Allen Ginsburg to Chant Hare Krishna and lead his fans and well wishers was 100% PROGRESSIVE not only for him but for his audience also. In private Srila Prabhupada let us know in no uncertain terms that he thought Allen Ginsburg was a debauchee number one.

When Swarup Damodar Swami (Dr.Singh) came to Srila Prabhupada he was engaged in studying for his Phd, doctorate at the UNIVERSITY. Srila Prabhupada encouraged him time and time again to complete his study, because this was PROGRESSIVE forward dovetailing Swarup Damodar’s natural talent and inclination and potential credentials as a respectable member of the scientific society. However when Jagadisa Swami (Guru and GBC Sannyas) wrote Srila Prabhupada suggesting strongly that he would be able to preach better if he had a college degree (More respect etc.) and wanted to get Srila Prabhupada’s permission to go back to school and get the degree, Srila Prabhupada said that this was maya (I was the secretary at the time, so I remember this well ) and he added “There is absolutely no need for a devotee to learn anything new, if one can engage whatever one has learned to date, then he is perfect. If there is something more that a devotee needs to know, then Krishna will arrange that”. For Jagadisa Swami to have gone back to college at that time would have been REGRESSIVE for him, for Swarup Damodar Swami it was PROGRESSIVE to continue his direction under the guidance of Srila Prabhupada and thus be perfectly situated, although engaged in a most mundane affair of so called education.

Another example is Vasudev Prabhu of the Fiji Islands. When he came to Prabhupada he was the owner of a Bar and restaurant, serving meat and liquor. Vasudev suggested to stop these activities, but Srila Prabhupada said no, continue and gradually phase out the meat and liquor.

I think Boy George chanting Hare Krishna is PROGRESSIVE for his Krishna consciousness, and that of his fans. But for a devotee to REGRESS to this platform of activity is a REGRESSION of Krishna consciousness and must necessarily lead to falling away from the standard of Krishna consciousness.

We must go forward from where we stand, and where we stand is known to the Spiritual Master, and under his guidance only can these things be applied practically.

I hope this letter is helpful in understanding the nature of this problem. I hope you are well.

Your humble servant,
Hansadutta das

Note:
Dear Hamsadutta Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I would just like to congratulate you on your very logical and precise response to the ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll’ issue. I am asked this question often by people, and I think you have given a model answer. I always used to say:

“If you got it, use it”

“If you ain’t, don’t waste your time trying to go and get it”

“Also I remember the point that a devotee should not waste 5 years going to school to be ‘a lawyer etc. for krishna’, when in 5 minutes a devotee can go and preach to an already qualified lawyer and make him a devotee.”
(Srila Prabhupada letter to Sudama, 72-11-5)

“So far the Road Show and this Yoga Village are concerned, these things should be stopped. Simply perform our kirtana. If we divert our attention in this way, the whole thing will gradually deteriorate. He is going far away. All these things are nonsense inventions. Such inventing spirit will ruin our this movement. People may come to see, some will become devotees, but such devotees will not stay because they are attracted by some show and not by the real thing or spiritual life according to the standard of Lord Caitanya. Our standard is to have kirtana, start temples. What is this “Road Show” and “Yoga Village?” It will be another hippie edition. Gradually the Krishna Consciousness idea will evaporate: another change, another change, every day another change. Stop all this. Simply have kirtana, nothing else. Don’t manufacture ideas.”
(Srila Prabhupada letter to Sudama, 72-12-23)

Note:
And if you simply keep to our standard programme–don’t try to invent anything “Road Show” or “Yoga Village”–that means chanting daily 16 rounds, rising early, attending mangal arati, like that, if this progamme is strictly maintained amongst all the devotees, they will remain pure, and if preaching is pure, automatically leaders, managers, funds, everything will be given profusely by Krishna, without any doubt. Thus if rock stars are going to ADD Krishna to what they are doing anyway, then it can only help. But for devotees to get into to this to ‘preach’ is something completely different. I think you have explained it really well dear Hansadutta Prabhu. A materialist CAN dovetail his material desire to do some preaching. But a spiritualist in the guise of preaching would simply be dovetailing KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS to fulfill his MATERIAL desires.

“Simply perform our kirtana. If we divert our attention in this way, the whole thing will gradually deteriorate.. All these things are nonsense inventions. Such inventing spirit will ruin our this movement. People may come to see, some will become devotees, but such devotees will not stay because they are attracted by some show and not by the real thing or spiritual life according to the standard of Lord Caitanya. Our standard is to have kirtana, start temples.. Gradually the Krishna Consciousness idea will evaporate: another change, another change, every day another change. Stop all this. Simply have kirtana, nothing else. Don’t manufacture ideas.”
(Prabhupada letter to Sudama 72-11-5)

“We don’t want. We don’t want any numerical strength. We want one sincere person who has learned to love God, Kṛṣṇa. That’s all. I have come to your country with this mission, and if I find one or two boys or girls sincerely have learned how to love God, Kṛṣṇa, then my mission is successful. I’m not after any number of… Because if I can turn one soul to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he’ll do tremendous work, because he’ll be fire. You see? He can do tremendous work. Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca taraḥ sahasrasaḥ. One moon is complete to drive away the darkness of night, not millions of stars required. What these millions of stars can do? One moon is sufficient. So our propaganda is to create one moon. You see?.
(Prabhupada lecture NYC 69.4.12)

“I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don’t want many stars. That was my Guru Maharaja’s principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world.”
(MW Bombay 12/03/74)

“I never thought about the audience. I was prepared to chant even if there were no men present to hear me. The principle of chanting is to glorify the Lord & not to attract a crowd. If Krishna hears nicely then he will ask some sincere devotee to gather in such place. Therefore be advised that thousands of centers may be started if we find out a sincere soul for each & every center.”
(Prabhupada letter 67-11-12)

“Krishna kirtana is not meant for entertaining the public for demonstration of arts. It is dynamic service to the Lord. We do not therefore mind so much about the artistic presentation of Krishna kirtana but we want to see how much a devotee is satisfying the Supreme Will.”
(Prabhupada letter to Jadurani 67-12-12)

“Practicing is already done by kirtana. It is not required for us to become artists. Our main point is service to Krishna, not to please an audience. We shall not divert our attention too much to adjustment of musical sounds. People should not misunderstood that we are a band of musical artists. They must know that we are devotees of Krishna. Our devotional practice and purity shall be so strong that wherever we chant there will be immediately an impression in the audience for devotion to Krishna.”
(Prabhupada letter to Tamala Krishna, 69-10-30.)

“Our process is to show Krishna Consciousness as it is, not as others want to see it. By showing KC in this way, you are making the thing less important. It is not that we should change to accommodate the public, but that we should change the public to accommodate us.. If we simply present Krishna Consciousness in a serious and attractive way, without need to resort to fashionable slogans or tricks, that is sufficient. Our unique asset is our purity. No one any where can match it. That will be noticed eventually and appreciated, as long as we do not diminish or neglect the highest standard of purity in performing our routine work, not that we require to display or announce ourselves in very clever ways to get attention. No, our pure standard is enough. Let us stand on that basis.”
(Prabhupada Letter to Yogesvara 71-12-28)

“So far your road-show is concerned, we are not meant for giving performances, we are simple kirtana men. There must always be kirtana going on wherever we travel, and nothing else. In this connection refer to the GBC letter which will be sent to you shortly by Karandhara and Syamasundara.”
(Prabhupada letter to Kirtanananda 72-6-25)

“So far the Road Show and this Yoga Village are concerned, these things should be stopped. Simply perform our kirtana. If we divert our attention in this way, the whole thing will gradually deteriorate.. All these things are nonsense inventions. Such inventing spirit will ruin our this movement. People may come to see, some will become devotees, but such devotees will not stay because they are attracted by some show and not by the real thing or spiritual life according to the standard of Lord Caitanya. Our standard is to have kirtana, start temples. What is this “Road Show” and “Yoga Village?” It will be another hippie edition. Gradually the Krishna Consciousness idea will evaporate: another change, another change, every day another change. Stop all this. Simply have kirtana, nothing else. Don’t manufacture ideas.”
(Prabhupada letter to Sudama 72-11-5)

“My opinion is that it is not necessary for us to utilize these different musical talents for spreading Krsna Consciousness. I would rather see people follow strictly the path of Lord Caitanya and His Sankirtana devotees. We are using mrdanga, karatala, that is enough. We are not musicians. We are Krsna bhaktas. Therefore we do not stress so much importance on these different musical talents. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is God Himself. Had He thought it would have been better to spread Krsna Consciousness by another way He would have done so. But no, simply with mrdanga and karatala, traveling and chanting Hare Krsna, asking everyone to chant Hare Krsna, preaching simply Srimad-Bhagavatam philosophy, this is the process. There is no need for us to try and add anything to this simple method. It will only be a distraction.”
(Prabhupada letter to Jagadish Pandit 74-12-28)

“One night there was a darsana with one musician. I never got the understanding whether this was a person coming to Krsna consciousness or whether this was already a devotee. I always thought it was someone coming to Krsna consciousness that wanted to use their western rock and roll guitar style in service to Lord Caitanya, and Prabhupada was very adamant, and the guy kept bringing the point up two or three times and finally Prabhupada said “No!” and he pointed, there was this beautiful picture of Panca-tattva on the wall of his room. He said “You see Mahaprabhu; kartalas and mrdanga, that is all.”
(Caturatma das: Memories of Srila Prabhupada DVD 51)

“We will establish hundreds of temples, and they will all be very opulent. But if we do not follow the instruction of the Spiritual Master, they will just be showbottle. Do you know what showbottle means? It means colored water in a bottle which looks just like medicine, but which does not work.”
(SP Room conversation NY July 1970)

Hamsagatih writes:

“…perhaps Gadadhar prabhu will make a wonderful plan to win over with love and intelligence the hearts and minds of those very favorable, friendly Kirtaniyas moving about the world today.”

“In India the system is that people go to see the Jagannatha Deity. The Deity is not very beautiful from the artistic point of view, but still people attend by the thousands. That sentiment is required. Similarly with our kirtana we are only using drums and karatalas, but people come to the point of ecstasy. It is not the ornamentation, it is the ecstasy. This ecstasy is awakened by sravanam kirtanam by devotees.”
(Prabhupada letter to Dr. Wolf 76-01-29)

“It is to be understood that when Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu chanted and danced, He did so by the influence of the pleasure potency of the spiritual world. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu never considered the holy name of the Lord to be a material vibration, nor does any pure devotee mistake the chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra to be a material musical manifestation. Lord Caitanya never tried to be the master of the holy name; rather He taught us how to be servants of the holy name. If one chants the holy name of the Lord just to make a show, not knowing the secret of success, he may increase his bile secretion, but he will never attain perfection in chanting the holy name.”
(C.C. Adi 7.95-96″)

Now, please read the 5 sun articles based on the Prabhupada quotes above:

‘Kirtaniya’ Infestation Part 1 of 5
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-13/editorials9820.htm

‘Kirtaniya’ Infestation Part 2 of 5
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-13/editorials9832.htm

‘Kirtaniya’ Infestation Part 3 of 5
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-13/editorials9837.htm

‘Kirtaniya’ Infestation Part 4 of 5
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-13/editorials9842.htm

‘Kirtaniya’ Infestation Part 5 of 5
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-13/editorials9849.htm

Your servant,
Mathias Sabji