Dear Prabhus,
Pamro agtHDG Srila Prabhupada!
26 May 2009: May the spirit of the Prabhupada festival stay with us every day!
Like I mentioned before; I wasn’t very excited about attending this years festival at first, but now I’m glad I went.
One of the reasons I didn’t feel fired up about going was that a lot of the devotees show bottle support for Prabhupada but it’s mostly lip service. The real Prabhupadanuga’s are a minority. Some boycott the festivals and temples. I think that is counter productive.
The festival was fantastic. The only thing that bothered me was seeing and hearing Ramesvara all the time. He kicked me out of the LA Temple in 1985 for saying that I heard Prabhupada say that there should be no other vyasasanas in the temple rooms save and except Srila Prabhupada’s. Some asked me if I was going to talk to him about it. I replied that I didn’t want to bring politics into the festival but if I saw him on Monday I would try to talk to him about it.
On Monday Paratrikananda told me that Ramesvara wanted to see any and all devotees that he may have offended in the past. He seems to be trying to make a sincere effort to come back to KC.
I met with Ramesvara in his room that he was sharing with Giriraja Maharaja. He appeared very humble and repentent when I refreshed his memory of what had transpired before. He offered his humble obeisance’s and asked for forgiveness on his knees with tears in his eyes. This brought tears to my eyes also.
He admitted that the guru system is wrong. He said he tries to stop the vyasasanas and all but the GBC gave him the choice to either continue with I’d or be would be kicked out of the movement. He said he preferred to stay in Prabhupada’s movement so he continued to play the guru game even though he knew he and the others were not qualified. With tears in his eyes he apolojized again and again.
I told him that I was a witness to the ritvik initiation order and mentioned the July 9th Newsletter. He said he thought that letter made them ‘regular gurus’. I told him that was not in the letter and he said he would try to get a copy of that letter and read it again.
He said the gurus are cheating their disciples to think that they are uttama’s when they are not. He said none of them are ‘assisting the Gopies arranging pastimes for Sri Sri Radha and KRSNA.
When he begged me for forgiveness again I said I do forgive him but I would be more pleased if he continued his humble attitude and most of all preach to the GBC and gurus to get back to being humble representatives as ordered by His Divine Grace. He promised that he would try whenever he could..
I was pleased with his current behavior and am convinced he is sincere.. I feel there is more hope on the horizon and feel in my heart that reform will happen within 5 more years with the cooperation of more and more devotees like Ramesvara Prabhu.
We can only change people in a friendly way. Love is the answer. Name calling and fault finding simply builds more walls which are counter productive to reform. You get better results with sweet words and Vaisnava wit and compassion. Let’s keep it up!
Hoping this meets you well,
Your servant,
Gauridasa Pandita Dasa
Chant HARE KRSNA
And your life will be sublime!
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Tears in heaven, yes indeed, thats all verry nice, but if mister ramesvara ” prabhu ” is really serious, than he should help the ritvik mindet and establish a tempel for srila prabhupada and preach the gospel of the bhaktivedanta mission, and by the way help to break the nonsence so called nityasiddha-mahabhagavata regime of iskcon.
Thats would really help and than tears could roll on, to heavens gate.
Oh yes, be carefull of the shoe shufflers,
ramesvara “prabhu” crocodile tears, verry sweet, nice show of devotion. Better would be, he gave all the money back he took from Prabhupadas bhaktivedanta mission, and by the way take a stand of going with the real iskcon reform movement. To say, but i dont know,
i never read Prabhupadas last wish, how to manage the movement is yust a big lie. He is one of bogus gurus, who took money and went of with his own girl desciple, what kind of twaddler he is, we can imagine !
Gauridasa Pandita Dasa: We can only change people in a friendly way. Love is the answer. Name calling and fault finding simply builds more walls which are counter productive to reform. You get better results with sweet words and Vaisnava wit and compassion. Let’s keep it up!
Mahesh: Lets talk the Prabhupada talk. We have to see WHAT Srila Prabhupada WANTS on HOW to TREAT others for change in ISKCON. IF one is SINCERE he will FEEL guilty and remorse. But SENTIMENTAL talks of “love” to the Anti Ritvik CROOKS will be counter productive because the MANIPULATIVE CROOKS will WALK OVER his head. The Anti Ritvik CROOKS need to be EXPOSED:
IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
Note: Gauridasa Pandita Dasa needs to be PRACTICAL. Maybe – Ramesvara was an exception. However, he will NEVER be able to change the Anti Ritvik DEMONS who are in POWER who CHANGE Srila Prabhupada’s books and MANIPULATE others for MONEY SCREWING AND SLAVERY MAKING. Such SENTIMENTAL talks of “love” to the MANIPULATIVE Jackals is A WASTE OF TIME. They are just too far gone and have to be EXPOSED as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions:
Note: SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
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Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
Note: ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON
SB 4.28.48 P Puranjana Becomes a Woman in the Next Life
Whenever an acarya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the acarya’s duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYA DISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON. Actually, human life is meant for executing the orders of the Supreme Lord, and this is stated in Bhagavad-gita (9.34):
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaisyasi yuktvaivam
atmanam mat-parayanah
“Engage your mind always in thinking of Me and become My devotee. Offer obeisances and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me.”
The main business of human society is to think of the Supreme Personality of Godhead at all times, to become His devotees, to worship the Supreme Lord and to bow down before Him. The acarya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acarya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the spiritual master. At the present moment practically the entire world is afraid of rogues and nondevotees; therefore this Krsna consciousness movement is started to save the world from irreligious principles. Everyone should cooperate with this movement in order to bring about actual peace and happiness in the world.
Note: SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
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The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–AND KRSNA’S STATEMENT IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA (4.2) EVAM PARAMPARA-PRAPTAM, “THIS SUPREME SCIENCE OF GOD IS RECEIVED THROUGH THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Note: THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA.
A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED.
Madhya 1.218 The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba: unless one serves a Vaisnava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaisnavas, his path is clear. Consequently Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu requested all the Vaisnavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaisnava sees that another Vaisnava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaisnavas are not envious. If a Vaisnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaisnavas become very joyful–that is, if they are truly Vaisnavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaisnavas. Why should a Vaisnava be envious of another Vaisnava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaisnava is very pleased to accept another Vaisnava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED. THIS IS ENJOINED IN THE SASTRA (UPEKSA). THE WORD UPEKSA MEANS NEGLECT. ONE SHOULD NEGLECT AN ENVIOUS PERSON. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA. WHEN NAROTTAMA DASA THAKURA SAYS CHADIYA VAISNAVA SEVA NISTARA PAYECHE KEBA, HE IS INDICATING AN ACTUAL VAISNAVA, NOT AN ENVIOUS OR JEALOUS PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA.
Note: BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH.
Bg 4.42 P Transcendental Knowledge
A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself AND BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDIZEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH. The Lord is definitely the supreme person, and His activities are transcendental. One who understands this is a liberated person from the very beginning of his study of the Gita.
Note: Description of Anti Ritvik DEMONS: The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES.
THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT.
THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY.
Bg 16.4 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures
In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE ALWAYS ARROGANT or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY.
Note: Anti Ritvik MONY SCREWING SLAVERY MAKING DEMONS ARE MOST DANGEROUS: “HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST”
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Pusta Krsna: Some of them will say some things that Krsna says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupada: He’s most dangerous. HE’S MOST DANGEROUS. HE IS OPPORTUNIST. HE’S FINDING OUT CUSTOMER, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru. He’s a servant. He wants to serve the so-called disciples so that he may be satisfied and pay him something. He’s servant. He’s not guru. Guru is the master. You cannot disobey guru. But if you become a servant, you want to please the disciple by flattering him to get his money, then you are not guru, you are servant. Just like a servant pleases the master. He’s not guru. He’s servant. So our position should be servant, yes, but servant of the Supreme. So guru means heavy. You cannot utilize him for satisfying your whims. That is not guru.
Note: COOPERATION is with those who WANT Srila Prabhupada:
1) WANT Srila Prabhupada as Diksa Guru
2) WANT Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik System
3) WANT Direction of Management as authorised by Srila Prabhupada (1970)
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE CO-OPERATIVELY. “Our” and “your’s” are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
Mahesh: Judge a tree BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS. Lets come to the point. HOW MANY Anti Ritvik slavery making money screwing CROOKS have STEPPED DOWN down with “love” talk? In UK, Bhaja Hari the ex Temple President of Bhaktivedanta Manor is NOT EVEN ALLOWED to distribute Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL UNCHANGED books within the area even though he is in “love” talks with the Temple Authorities. So what is the VALUE of such sweet talks? They are just walking ALL OVER HIM.
Gauridasa Pandita Dasa: We can only change people in a friendly way. Love is the answer. Name calling and fault finding simply builds more walls which are counter productive to reform. You get better results with sweet words and Vaisnava wit and compassion. Let’s keep it up!
Mahesh: EVEN in the time Srila Prabhupada was dealing with his Gaudiya math Godbrothers THEY were not interested in “love” talk. They were ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada. Just see HOW Srila Prabhupada TRIED to preach to them in a humble way:
Srila Prabhupada’s Vyasa Puja Offering–1961
If everyone just initiates then there will only be a contradictory result. As long as it goes on there will be only failure. O shame! My dear brothers, aren’t you embarrassed? In the manner of businessmen you increase your disciples.
A Vyasa-Puja offering of five prayers glorifying special characteristics of Srila 108 Bhaktisiddanta Saraswati Goswami Thakura. Presented on the commemoration of his appearance, by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, at the Radha-Damodara temple, Vrindavana, India, in 1961.)
First Vasistya
1. On this day, O my master, I made a cry of grief; I was not able to tolerate the absence of my guru.
2. On this auspicious day I have come with this offering just to worship you, remembering your lotus feet.
3. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s judgement is that renunciation is most important. Not only that, but such knowledge must be delivered to every conditioned being.
4. The beginner in devotional service has no ability to solve this dilemma, but you are a maha-bhagavata, you have given us direction.
5. One bewildered by ignorance, what kind of renunciate can he be? He will only be a “phalgu-vairagi”; renouncing externally.
6. Renunciation is actually the result of real spiritual emotion. Without such feeling it is simply known as show-bottle.
7. But there is another “show-bottle” for the purpose of preaching. That is the Lord’s sannyasa by which the Mayavadis are defeated.
8. Lord Caitanya’s Philosophy is beyond varnasrama; it is Bhagavata dharma, for putting an end to all cheating processes of religion.
9. Performing dry renunciation there can be no real preaching. Therefore “Yukta vairagya” is given the highest essential understanding.
10. “That sannyasa which I have given you” is for preaching in devotion. The faithless sense enjoyers are unable to understand this.
Second Vasistya
11. Generally the sannyasis renounce everything and go and stay in the mountain caves, but you, O master, keep your sannyasis in mansions of marble.
12. To see a sense enjoyer is just like drinking poison, but you, O my master, go far and near, even abroad, to give them your darsana.
13. Mlecchas and Yavanas are forbidden to enter the Hindu temples, but you my Lord, make them chairmen and sit them in the assembly of devotees.
14. Hindus are not allowed to cross the ocean, but you send your devotees overseas to preach.
15. In the cities of Kali-yuga, the instructions of the bona fide spiritual preceptors are forbidden. Still you remain here in any way possible.
16. The devotees want to hide in a secluded place to perform their bhajan. You, however, do not accept this in your judgement.
17. Whenever there is an increase in population, there in that place preaching is to be found.
18. In London you want a student hostel. You explain that it must be first-class.
19. In the land of barbarians a student hostel for preaching Hari-Katha! Who can understand the significance of these things?
20. To resolve all the apparent contradictory statements is not the play of some incompetent fool.
21. If everyone simply sat down together and considered these things, what nice preaching there could be.
22. What is your order also, that everyone, coming together, should merge in your message and preach it to the world.
23. If everyone just initiates then there will only be a contradictory result. As long as it goes on there will be only failure.
24. Now even, my godbrothers, you return here to the order of our master, and together we engage in his puja.
25. But simply a festival of flowers and fruits does not constitute worship. The one who serves the message of the guru really worships him.
26. The service of the message is the real meaning of the Vedas. Don’t be proud, brothers, come back to this.
27. Kalidas Nag (a learned man who was defeated by Srila Saraswati Thakura and later became his disciple), that master said in public forum one day.
28. That Kali’s mission was to kill the entire world while the essential meaning of Lord Caitanya’s message was kept locked up in a cage.
29. O shame! My dear brothers, aren’t you embarrassed? In the manner of businessmen you increase your disciples.
30. Our master said to preach. Let the neophytes stay in the temples and ring the bells.
Third Vasistya
31. All these things are not our spiritual master’s preaching methods. These are all the things done by the caste Gosvamis.
32. But just take a look at the terrible situation that has arisen. Everyone has become a sense enjoyer and has given up preaching.
33. In the temples they have also begun to lock the doors. Preach this bhagavata dharma, don’t hesitate.
34. Within this world is another world, Whose sound is the unequaled penetrating force.
35. The preaching that “mullah (Muslim priest) only goes as far as the mosque and no further” should be put to an end today.
36. From the seas, across the earth, penetrate the universal shell, come together and preach this Krishna consciousness.
37. Then our master’s service will be in proper order. Make your promise today. Give up all your politics and diplomacy.
38. Everyone come together on this day and make your valued comment. The five of you get together and decide what should be done.
39. You have become renouncers, brothers, so renounce everything. But if you also renounce the order of the spiritual master, then what kind of renunciation is that?
40. The one who renounces the guru’s order (guru tyagi) and the one who tries to enjoy the assets of his spiritual master (guru-bhogi) are two kinds of useless persons. First become a servant of your spiritual master (guru-sevi) and then you will understand things clearly.
Forth Vasistya
41. If there is only one Supreme Lord, then a true sadhu, if his faith increases, he gives up the desire for profit, distinction and adoration in the material world.
42. Your gold, brother, is the father of sense gratification. This meaningful statement was spoken by Srila Prabhupada himself.
43. Give up your wealth for preaching. Sit down together and make some special judgement.
44. The Supreme Lord says that everything is Mine. Don’t protest. Just unite and preach.
45. Srila Prabhupada gave this final message himself. Take care to follow that completely in all respects.
46. Otherwise your sannyasa will be wasted and useless. O saintly ones, be careful; afterwards you will regret.
47. So what is the difficulty for all of us to come together in this way and why do all these things even have to be said to you?
48. Give up your stubbornness, there is no time. Come all my brothers on this auspicious holy occasion.
Fifth Vasistya
49. When will that day come when there will be a temple established in every house in every corner of the world?
50. When the big court judge will be a Gaudiya Vaisnava with tilak beautifully decorating his forehead.
51. A Vaisnava winning votes will be elected president of the land and preaching will spread everywhere.
52. The demons simply plunder the Lord’s wealth. The hapless populace cry, “Hai Hai” in distress.
53. The demons want so many plans just to cheat the people. They sell wheat flour at 32 rupees a mound.
54. Will opening a factory fill a hungry man’s belly? Being oppressed by starvation they will eat grass and mango pits.
55. Wearing a two pisa string a man is called a brahmin. Wearing a saffron cloth he has become a sannyasi.
56. The householders beg from sannyasis, and why not? The sannyasis have tens of millions of rupees in the bank.
57. As the days pass, the influence of Kali-yuga increases and the poor are crying in distress.
58. Ten thousand cows are killed daily and the nations expert leaders are all eating untouchable foodstuffs.
59. People of muddy intelligence increase day by day. A man and his wife separate on mere word.
60. Everyone has become a witch by the influence of this age. Everyone is unhappy due to the absence of the mercy of the Vaisnavas.
61. The Vaisnavas are famous as “para dukha dukhi.” This fame will increase as the preaching increases.
62. If eternally pure devotional service to Krsna is awakened in everyone, then Kali will flee, screaming of his own accord.
63. “Praninan upakaraya” do work for the benefit of all living beings. This is Mahaprabhu’s teachings. This is the storehouse of happiness in this life and the next.
64. So much work has fallen into your hands, so gather together and do it.
65. Vasudeva Datta said to the Lord, paying his obeisances, save all the living beings in the material world.
66. Give all their sins and suffering to me, who am the lowest of all. In this way all the suffering and miseries of the fallen will end.
67. He was the best of the Vaisnavas, para dukha dukhi. He knows that there is not real happiness in gratifying the senses.
68. And what kind of mercy can the non-Vaisnavas give? They simply make offenses by their Daridra Narayana philosophy.
69. The mercy of the Vaisnavas is scientific and authorized, without their mercy this world is simply insurmountable maya.
70. If there is a kingdom of Visnu and Vaisnavas on the surface of the earth, then the world will be happy–so say the great sages and rishis.
71. Why is everyone crying for Rama-rajya? The only way it can be had is if there is a Visnu centered kingdom.
72. Lord Krsna enthroned King Yudhisthira; then the whole world was rich and fortunate due to the qualities of a Vaisnava.
73. The streams, rivers, trees and fields and mountains, were all full of fruits and flowers. The milk laden cows were floating in abundant milk.
74. The birds, beasts and lower creatures were all non-envious. Material life in the Vaisnava kingdom was regulated and perfect.
75. All immersed in bliss, singing the glories of the Hari. The hearts of Vaisnavas dance in ecstasy to see this.
76. The entire world is filled with the use of material objects, without a trace of devotion to the Lord.
77. Still they are searching after peace. Preach Krsna consciousness; fulfill their desires.
78. Today my brothers, get to this task. Save the battered souls by your preaching.
79. Srila Prabhupada, please be merciful today. This time have compassion. You are not a conditioned soul of this material world.
80. Whatever independence we have, let it be cast to the waters. The lowly Abhay offers this presentation today.
Vrndavana, Radha Damodara.
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Note: the ONLY ALTERNATIVE LEFT was to EXPOSE the Gaudiya math Godbrothers:
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
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Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
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Was Sridhara Maharaja a bonafide guru?
http://www.iskcontimes.com/was-sridhara-maharaja-bona-fide-guru
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Sridhara Maharaja – EXPOSED
http://iskcontimes.com/sridhara-maharaja-exposed
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Conditioned soul Sridhara Maharaja Vs Srila Prabhupada the Mahabhagavata
http://iskcontimes.com/conditioned-soul-sridhara-maharaja-vs-srila-prabhupada-mahabhagavata
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Exposing Gaudiya Math Twister: Sankarshana dasa (Bhakta Suria)
http://iskcontimes.com/exposing-gaudiya-math-twister
I find the following comments in the paragraph simply a WISHFUL thinking of gratifying himself ;
” I was pleased with his current behavior and am convinced he is sincere.. I feel there is more hope on the horizon and feel in my heart that reform will happen within 5 more years with the cooperation of more and more devotees like Ramesvara Prabhu. ”
This devotee Ramesvara who was at one point of his career as a guru was one of the CROOKED guru as he admitted. Is that not TRUE ?
Now that he is out of the circle of the CROOKED guru, therefore, he apologizes for his wrong doing and accepting himself being a CROOKED guru. Therefore, he has lost his potency and power in the Crooked guru circle because he has been kicked out of the circle of gurus in the Iskcon.
Thus, it looks like that it is indeed gratifying some what for the writer Gauridasa Pandita Dasa when he comments as such.
Hare Krishna.
Gauridasa Pandita Dasa’s comment that ……”I feel there is more hope on the horizon and feel in my heart that reform will happen within 5 more years with the cooperation of more devotees like Ramesvara Prabhu”.
Well that was over 6 years ago! (2009) when he said that and in that time FISKCON have become become more hypocritical, have embraced Mayavada philosophy expeditiously, and are even more acrimonious beligerant and dismissive of Srila Prabhupada’s vani than ever before. So what now? Maybe wait another 5 years? I think not! Although Garidasa Pandita Dasa’s desire for change seems genuine enough it also is quite naive and sentimental and does not correspond to the many points that have been made by Srila Prabhupada (which have been outlined above by Mahesh Raja Prabhu).
Because the ”devotional sentiments” of the GBC ”leaders” are only a show and not genuine, and also given the fact that they are not faithfully following Srila Prabhupada’s instruction of Ritvik initiation, no purification of the heart is possible for these individuals. They can only get ‘worse’ not better …..and this is what has happened and will continue also, poisoning their unfortunate followers in the process.
Externally one may appear to be dilligent and ”senior” but once envy has become deeply embedded within the heart then one’s spiritual creeper is strangled and extinguished. Only those who continually strive to follow Srila Prabhupada’s vani can reform themselves as Self Realization is NOT a ‘collective process’ (by definition). This is why there is NO ‘collective realization’ in FISKCON and advancement within FISKCON ultimately results is one beying ‘kicked out’ so where is this ‘collective realization’….it does NOT exist! One can either ‘remain’ in FISKCON and become COMPROMISED or you are ‘forced out’ for ‘REFUSING TO COMPROMISE THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HIS DIVINE GRACE’ which is (in his own words) what happened to Gauridasa Pandita Dasa and I might add many others in our Vaisnava community also. Just like the guy that gets married for the 5th (or 6th or 7th) time, ‘waiting for any reform to happen within FISKCON’ is “The triumph of hope over experience” and an excercise in futility!
We should call it ‘AS IT IS’ a spade a spade! But we should also re-group and continue ,because there is greater strength in numbers. You can gain much by even several genuine devotees working together whereas a hundred duplicious persons just creates a headache. I have plans already in place but I am isolated like probably many others, so it is difficult to make much progress on your own, especially as age advances.
All glories to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Sudarsana Prabhu writes ; ” …………… I have plans already in place but I am isolated like probably many others, so it is difficult to make much progress on your own, especially as age advances. ”
Prabhu, Srila Prabhupada also had a plan which he executed it.
You never know it until you put the plan into an action. Being isolated does not and should not hamper your plan in place because we are all connected through the net work of IT.
How can you judge whether or not your plan is progressive till you put it into an action ? While the age is advancing, we should also advance.
Therefore, please share what you have, Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. AGTSP.
Dear Amar Puri Prabhu. All glories to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
The danger of implementing a conceptual plan, to further the mission of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is not ‘the chance that it may fail’ (because this relatively unlikely scenario has to be/and is built into the concept) but rather any success would immediately motivate the ‘demonic elements’ (which are prevalent) to destroy it.
You say “How can you judge whether or not your plan is progessive till you put it into action?”
Sudarsana Das….. The benifit of a good conceptual plan (and the value of a conceptual designer) is that all the possible benifits and required elements are ‘built into’ the concept just as all the required elements of a ‘house plan’ are ‘nutted out’ before a ‘build’ is undertaken. This eliminates to the highest degree any ‘possible encumberances or unforseen circumstances’.
Although I have arrived at a conceptual plan, I do not see it as beying ‘MY’ plan but rather a ‘problem solving’ concept which is ‘inclusive’ of all the necessary elements necessary to adhere to the wishes of Srila Prabhupada in such a way to enhance and facillitate the distribution of Srila Prabhupada’s books and increase the propagation of the Maha Mantra etc, etc…..without creating ANOTHER bogus Machiavellian style ‘pseudo spiritual’ Gestapo regime.
“Sharing” requires trust, reciprocation and commitment. There is a saying that “Build a better mouse-trap and the world will beat a path to your door!” (for us of course it is one of those which doesn’t hurt the mouse and so ”later” you can drive a few miles down the road and let it go!) Well if the world beats a path to your door that automatically solves the problem of logistics, right there!
It will happen when Sri Krishna wants it to happen. It’s a bit like a big boulder on the side of a hill and everyone is saying ”let’s push this way”! and someone else is saying “no!, we should push that way”! but ultimately it is all up to The Lord when it dislodges and comes crashing down the hill.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Jak ludzie mają się nauczyć szanować nauki Śrila Prabhupada?
Prabhupad został otruty przez swoich własnych uczniów.
Czego Prabhupad ich uczył? Czego ich nauczył?
Piszecie, że cały FISKCON zmierza do piekła.
Czy Śrila Prabhupad przegrał walkę z Kali, i ze sługami Kali?
How do people have to learn to respect the teachings of Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada was poisoned by his own disciples.
What Prabhupada taught them? What do they teach?
You say that the whole FISKCON going to hell.
Is Srila Prabhupada lost his battle with Kali, and the servants of Kali?
Bhakta Waldemar: You say that the whole FISKCON going to hell.
Is Srila Prabhupada lost his battle with Kali, and the servants of Kali?
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada has NEVER lost a battle. But sometimes it APPEARS TO BE A REVERSE ACCORDING TO ONE’S CALCULATIONS.
SEEING ALL THESE REVERSES AFFECT DEVOTEES, ONE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED; ONE SHOULD SIMPLY UNDERSTAND THAT IN THESE MATTERS THERE MUST BE SOME PLAN OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD:
SB 3.16.37 P The Two Doorkeepers of Vaikuntha, Jaya and Vijaya, Cursed by the Sages
WHEN SOMETHING IS ARRANGED BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED BY IT, EVEN IF IT APPEARS TO BE A REVERSE ACCORDING TO ONE’S CALCULATIONS. For example, sometimes we see that a powerful preacher is killed, or sometimes he is put into difficulty, just as Haridasa Thakura was. He was a great devotee who came into this material world to execute the will of the Lord by preaching the Lord’s glories. But Haridasa was punished at the hands of the Kazi by being beaten in twenty-two marketplaces. Similarly, Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, and Prahlada Maharaja was put through so many tribulations. The Pandavas, who were direct friends of Krsna, lost their kingdom, their wife was insulted, and they had to undergo many severe tribulations. SEEING ALL THESE REVERSES AFFECT DEVOTEES, ONE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED; ONE SHOULD SIMPLY UNDERSTAND THAT IN THESE MATTERS THERE MUST BE SOME PLAN OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. The Bhagavatam’s conclusion is that a devotee is never disturbed by such reverses. He accepts even reverse conditions as the grace of the Lord. One who continues to serve the Lord even in reverse conditions is assured that he will go back to Godhead, back to the Vaikuntha planets. Lord Brahma assured the demigods that there was no use in talking about how the disturbing situation of darkness was taking place, since the actual fact was that it was ordered by the Supreme Lord. Brahma knew this because he was a great devotee; it was possible for him to understand the plan of the Lord.
Note: ALL the Anti Ritvik CROOKS bogus gurus and their “disciples” are being PREPARED—– to be sent to HELL :
72-12-14.Letter: Tusta Krsna
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. THEN BOTH OF THEM WILL TO GO TO HELL, LIKE BLIND MEN LEADING THE BLIND.
Madhya 15.108 The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya
“Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A PERSON WHO IS NOT PROPERLY INITIATED CAN DESCEND AGAIN INTO THE ANIMAL SPECIES.”
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Isopanisad 12
THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Sympatycy Narayana Maharaja pisali na polskim forum o Śrila Prabhupadzie i o członkach ISKCON-u, jego uczniach, że:
“Poznaje się drzewo po owocach”
Jak sobie z nimi poradzić?
Narayana Maharaja supporters wrote to the Polish forum for members to Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON, his disciples that:
“He meets a tree by its fruit”
How to deal with them?
” ‘Sharing” requires trust, reciprocation and commitment. ” says Sudarsana Prabhu.
Srila Prabhupada also had a plan which he executed it UNCONDITIONALLY.
Isn’t it ?
Your PLAN is subject to CONDITION, as it appears, that is why you gave so much explanation.
Is my inference correct, Prabhu ?
Dear Amar Puri Prabhu.
Some things are conditional and some unconditional. Srila Prabhupada accepted/accepts disciples under certain ‘conditions’ namely that the disciple agrees to follow certain rules (4 reg’s etc, etc), therefore one is initiated ‘conditional’ to ones ageement to adhere to such rules. To become a member of FISKCON one is required to accept the ”authority” of the Guru Bogus Club (GBC) ‘unconditionally’!
Srila Prabhupada is Uttama Ahikari, pure devotee Paramahamsa and always eternally and ‘unconditionally’ surrendered to his Gurudeva, His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaja Prabhupada without any cessation or doubt. This is indeed a fact, as you have said.
I am just a conditioned soul! but yes! My plan must have ‘conditions’ and that is, it should only be utilized in accordance with, and compliance with the philosophy of Srila Prabhupada as stated in his original books. It is also subject to the condition that it is NOT used for promoting Mayavada philosophy, Hinduism and association with bogus Vrndavan Babaji’s, demonic multinational corporations or bogus hippie kirtana bands, hippie festivals and other devious nonsense. (Well that’s a start anyway, but any ‘conditions’ would be subject to the wishes of His Divine Grace).
So the answer to your last question. Yes! Amar Puri Prabhu, your inference is quite correct!
My service to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada would be ‘incomplete’ and ‘somewhat tainted’ if I failed to adhere to the many instructions which he has so mercifully laid down.
Srila Prabhupada’s books are available ‘on-line’, so this is just another ‘concept’ that was not there when Srila Prabhupada was present in his Prakata form, so such things are the product of lateral thinking, not as a ‘replacement’ or change from what Srila Prabhupada has ‘stated’ previously.
Thank you for your question. I hope I have clarified what I have written previously.
Hare Krishna
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Sudarsana
Bhakta Waldemar says: “He meets a tree by its fruit”
“How to deal with them?”
We learn from Srila Prabhupada’s authoritative VANI, that Srimad Bhagavatam is the ripened fruit which is full of glorious about the past time of the Lord described by the authorized Sages in the disciplic succession in which HDG. Srila Prabhupada is the Last in the List of the discipplic succession.
Bhakta Waldemar, Srila Prabhupada’s VANI is the best ripened fruit, why would you want to look for an other type and quality of the fruit of the tree ?
Hope it answers your question.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sudarsana Prabhu says ; ” Some things are conditional and some unconditional ”
Above writing, it does answer my query ;
” Srila Prabhupada also had a plan which he executed it UNCONDITIONALLY.
Isn’t it ?
Thank you, Prabhu.
” When Lord sees that you are ready, it is done unto you.”
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dziękuję Ci za odpowiedż Amar Puri Prabhu.
Czy ISKCON jest jeszcze żywą gałęzią drzewa Śri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu?
Thank you for your answer Prabhu Amar Puri.
Is ISKCON is still living branch of the tree of Sri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu ?
Bhakta Waldemar says ; Is ISKCON is still living branch of the tree of Sri Caitanyi Mahaprabhu ?
ISKCON entails Srila Prabhupada’s VANI – Instructions As It Is carrying forward the mission of Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu for Ten thousand Years.
Therefore, Iskcon does not represent buildings and its corporation managed by the crooked people even though externally it may appear so because their motives are for self glorification totally different than that of Srila Prabhupada mission.
Hope it answers your question.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Przepraszam Śrila Prabhupada.
Wybacz mi, proszę.
Przepraszam wielbicieli Śrila Prabhupada.
Wybaczcie mi, proszę.
Tylko żle się czułem po ostatniej serii moich wyzywających pytań.
Sorry Śrila Prabhupada.
Forgive me, please.
Sorry devotees Śrila Prabhupada.
Forgive me, please.
Only badly I felt after my last series of challenging questions.
Bhakta Waldemar says ; ” Only badly I felt after my last series of challenging questions. ”
Challenging questions mean being inquisitive to know the TRUTH, Absolute Truth.
Srila Prabhupada has been most of the time in a challenging position by so many people and He satisfies giving answer based on the Sastras, Sadhu and Guru.
That is why Srila Prabhupada’s answer and teachings are His VANI which we follow.
Now that you have the answers to your challenges, you simply need to follow Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions to make your life sublime in Krsna Consciousness.
Therefore, no need to feel bad, Bhakta Waldemar.
Hope it meets you well.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada..