“So as Krishna was attempted to be killed… And Lord Jesus Christ was killed.
So they may kill me also.” (Srila Prabhupada, May 3, l976, Honolulu)
“my only request is , that at the last stage don’t torture me, and put me to death”
(from SPC Vol. 36, November 3, 1977 tape recorded Room Conversation)
Prabhupada: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It is possible.
Kaviraja: If he says that, there must definitely be some truth in it.
Tamal Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him.
Bhakti-caru: Someone gave him poison here.
Importance of Poison Issue (by Mahatma das)
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-overview.html
Hare Krishna. Yes. The poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is a transcendental pastime that must be understood as such in as much detail as possible. Having said that, please understand that those presenting the topic of gross violence against Srila Prabhupada are not foolish sentimentalist devotees. They are devotees that want justice and that are willing to risk their lives, to present more and more evidence that Srila Prabhupada’s closest secretaries, did try to destroy his body with poison and have been for decades now trying to destroy his movement, his devotees and his siddhanta by changing his books, exploiting people, etc.
To those of us that have some ksatrya genes, we can not help but to continue to investigate and gather evidence to show that these Ravanas, as Srila Prabhupada called them, tried to destroy his body. We know he was not killed by poison. His passing is transcendental as you say. Less so can they kill his vani. But they have tried to kill both! So at least some of us will not allow these Ravanas to get away with their plan to eliminate the pure devotee, nor are we going to let any other person or entity to stop us from addressing justice for Srila Prabhupada and his movement.
It seems to me, that there are a lot of folks out there that do not understand that those trying to poison the body and vani of Srila Prabhupada are Ravanas. Ravana dressed himself as a Sannyasi to get close to Sita to try to steal her. Of course, it was not the real Sita. But still, to give the proper example, Lord Rama and Laxman and Hanuman ji, did not compromise with Ravana and allow that he take Sita in a any way, for even a moment. They became determined to attack Ravana in fact. How can Lord Rama allow even a few seconds of Ravana to enjoy Sita?
In the same way, these Ravanas as Srila Prabhupada called the usurpers of the Gaudiya Matha, also dressed themselves as devotees to steal the worship of Srila Prabhupada. Are we in any different situation than Lord Rama, and we should allow their stealing to go on? Of course not!
Followers of Srila Prabhupada that have some ksatrya genes, can not tolerate and will not drop the ball on the poison issue. The poison issue is one of the best weapons we have to confront the Ravanas. In Vedic war, warriors wait to release the proper weapon according to time and situation. The poison issue is among the very best weapons we have to discredit and show who these Ravanas really are to the whole world. To show that the bulk of the current ISKCON is built on a foundation and basis of the most evil, violent criminal acts done by Ravanas againt Srila Prabhupada.
Only the worst of Ravana types would try to destroy the body of a pure spiritual master like Srila Prabhupada via poison and then try to destroy his teachings by changing his books – philosophy, etc. The Ravana based society, said in court that Srila Prabhupada was not the author of his books, but a hired “ghost” writer. therefore, they had the right to change the books as they saw fit!
Who in their right mind who has a little common sense will agree with this evil argument? So many around the world feel there should be NO compromise with these Ravana types! The service of investigating and exposing the evidence and the suspects, is not being done whimsically. The best forensic labs in the world are being contracted. For example. Nityananda dasa prabhu, got hair of Napoleon, who is well known to have been poisoned with arsenic and had it forensically compared with the arsenic content found in Srila Prabhupada’s hair. Sure enough, similar lethal amounts of arsenic were found in Srila Prabhupada’s hair. How can anyone expect at least some of Srila Prabhupada’s followers to just sit idle and do nothing about this most violent attack? I guarantee you, it won’t happen, no matter what.
I have the experience, that when devotees and general ISKCON supporters and other regular people, when shown and educated that they tried to kill Srila Prabhupada’s body, and are still trying to also kill his teachings, they practically at once, turn against the Ravana based society and start supporting us. Of course, we teach them that this type of attack is nothing new or part of a destructive cult. We make it clear that is part of the culture of Ravanas to try to attack if not kill, Abraham, Joshua, Solomon, David, Jesus, Mohamad, Lord Krishna, Lord Caitanya, Srila Prabhupada and other such mahajanas.
I have also noticed, that the members of the Ravana based society, if they don’t turn to assist us almost at once in many cases, after they get the information, they will tend to not oppose us so much. They actually start to feel fearful. They start to say., ok, you preach and we preach with “no” offense. This is because they see our fearless determination and know that if they don’t stop harassing and blocking us, we will expose in the mass media if necessary all the deviations including the poisoning.
This my practical experience. But to do this, we have to be fearless and determined and do as we warned them we would do. A soft sentimental approach, does not work with Ravana types. They have to see our determination and will to go ahead with our bold exposure as we warned we would do. In this way, they may back down, because they know that if people find out that there is vast evidence Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by these bogus leaders, devotees and people in general will turn against them. Hopefully you will understand and appreciate this view.
The poison issue has helped many people understand the Ravana take over, and has helped a lot in India and it is working well in other places all over the world as well. It sure helped spread the sympathy for and teachings of Jesus, although more and more people understand now that Jesus was not killed. So Lord Krishna I think is using the grossest of violence against Srila Prabhupada, to make him more famous and for people to have more sympathy for him and for people to study his teachings more.
Interpol may one day put suspects who tried to poison and kill Sirla Prabhupada’s body and teachings in jail. Many followers of Srila Prabhupada think this would be a good positive thing.
So according to the propensity of service devotees have, nobody can stop those who believe in justice and are willing to do some practical service for justice for Srla Prabhupada and his movement. Others who don’t want to expose directly due to different propensity, can at least totally neglect and not support, advocate, give donations to, eat with and visit, those who are suspects in trying to kill the body and teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
They should try to understand and appreciate the great value being done for justice at great risk at time, by courageous devotees. At least, they should not get in the way and obstruct and discredit our program against violence and for justice for Srila Prabhupada, as is the case in the poison issue. I hope the above helps devotees better understand the value of the service of devotees that simply can not help themselves to fight for justice, due to their natural different propensity of service. I also hope these courageous devotees are supported by many as such support is badly needed. Thanks for your attention.
Sincerely,
Mahatma dasa
“those who poisoned the body of Srila Prabhupada“
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-overview.html
Pancali Devi Dasi Acbsp
Dear PADA! Your folks on facebook are getting mad and spread false information! Plz read sastra, the body of a pure devotee cannot be poisoned, poison does not act! This is nonsensical statement. People in general conclude that you state that Prabhupada, a pure devotee, was captured by a gang of conditioned souls, poisoned like a rat, choked to death like a dog and made to meet a forcible death like a criminal – kicked out of his body by violence.
[PADA: The crucifixion of Jesus was not a violent act? Who told you that? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that the crucifixion of Jesus was anything other than a violent act? Srila Prabhupada says: Just as Jesus was killed, they may kill me also. Many of Krishna’s relatives and His dear devotees were killed at Kurukshetra, the sons of the Pandavas were killed there as well, and so on and so forth. Where does Srila Prabhupada say none of these great devotees ever died?
You need to make your case based on shastra. Srila Prabhupada says that there is a Ravana in his room, and he wanted to get out of the room because — its better to be killed by Rama than Ravana, meaning — a Ravana is in his room and that Ravana wanted to kill him. Was he making that up? Srila Prabhupada says that the Gaudiya Matha idea is to “kill guru and become guru.” Is this also a “made up story” or were there people around in 1936 who wanted to kill their guru and take over?
Where does Srila Prabhupada say — Krishna’s devotees, even pure devotees, may not be subjected to being killed? Rather, Srila Prabhupada says one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he gave his life to preach about God. Srila Prabhupada also says Jesus is a pure devotee, and that he was crucified, and that in the same way, he may be killed as well. Where does he say Jesus was never crucified? No, he says many times that Jesus was in fact crucified.
Srila Prabhupada says his own guru was “given injections” which he protested, and that he would have lived for many more years — except for the nefarious actions of his disciples. A whole conversation about gurus being killed by motivated followers and disciples is part of the “poison tapes.” Where does Srila Prabhupada say that Krishna’s pure devotees are not subject to being attacked or even killed?
Even Krishna was allegedly killed by a hunter’s arrow, of course we never said that Krishna or His pure devotees are being factually killed, because they are eternal — but there may be some lila that they are being killed. In sum, shastra says there may be some lila that they are being killed.]
*** In other words you state that a pure devotee is captured by the modes of material nature.
[PADA: Jesus was crucified, Krishna’s relatives were killed at Kurushetra etc., where did we say that means they were captured by the modes of nature? You are making up arguments we never stated?]
*** Whereas a pure devotee is always situated in transcendental position.
[PADA: We never said anything to the contrary? Where did we say that Jesus being crucified meant he was not transcendental? You are arguing with your own shadow.]
*** Kindly correct your polluted understanding and tell this also to your friends who are similarly stuck in this tamasic misunderstanding. The body of a pure devotee cannot be poisoned. Prabhupada left because Krishna wanted it like that. Capiche? Not because as you state, he was forced by the modes of nature.
[PADA: OK, you are the ones who are making the argument that Jesus and Srila Prabhupada were captured by the modes of nature, we never said that. You are arguing with your own shadow. The poison issue is here to stay because Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, not because PADA said anything.
This is the problem we are now having with William I. Moorehouse, Prahlad das, and the IRM they support etc., they are saying that the poison issue is “PADA’s lies.” OK, wait a minute! Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being given poison. Is he making up lies? It seems to us that you are the people who are attacking Srila Prabhupada by saying his statements are “PADA’s lies.” He is the one who said he is being given poison, its not something we made up as a big lie? Why are you folks saying that we are making this up, and that its a lie? That is what Tamal said!
Sorry, he said he is being given poison, everyone in the room agrees he says he is being given poison. The kavirajas at the scene say he has the symptoms of poison. The people in the room are whispering about giving him poison. Sorry, this is not “PADA’s lies,” as Tamal, the GBC, Prahlad and his IRM and other folks are trying to paint all this, its what happened. Is Srila Prabhupada “making up lies”?
In any case if you think that being crucified is not a violent act, you need to re-learn everything and start all over again. If you want to discuss this reasonably, you have to deal with the direct statements from Srila Prabhupada, the statements of the people in the room, the whispers, the statements of the kavirajas, and other assorted evidences, instead of waving you hand and dispensing all this as “PADA’s lies.” That is not going to resolve the issue. Go back and look at the evidence, including the statements of Srila Prabhupada, and then argue from there. ys pd]
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-overview.html
pamho agtACBSP, KAMADA EKADASI KI JAI.
Thank you to HG mahatma das to give further explaination on the murder of our guru maharaj. Actually SRILA PRABHUPADA was so powerful that he could kill tamala asura and all his misfortunate followers just with HIS pure will but HE did not that by being a rasa rasika bhakta of the first order through HIS pure titiksasva karunika toward all the meleccha yavana pulinda candala etc…
All the bogus disciples of this disgusted tamala asura must be kicked out from iskcon, to not say to kill them even if they deserve it including all the supporters of this abominable demon instead of giving them the position of temple president in f-iskcon, as already happened and is still nowadays for many bogus disciples of this wretch who is still in the hell to finish to pay the horrible karma by killing our beloved acharya who was completely undisturbed by the effect of the poison, as we can see from the picture above, any ordinary living entity could not keep such wonderful control of the mind by leaving the skinny material body without any lamentation.
SRILA PRABHUPADA could live another 10 years minimum, actually the span of life for pukka religious people is one hundred years in kali yuga, it was thousand years in dvapara yuga the age before kali yuga, to not speak about satya yuga the span of life were ten thousand years like the demigods.
Anyway SRILA PRABHUPADA was beyond the factor time by being a tri kala jnana, someone who can see present past and future through HIS pure transcendental devotion and chastity, therefore HE accepted the murdering as the will of SRI KRSNA by forgiving HIS poisoners as JESUS CHRIST did also by being another saktya avesa avatara by saying: father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing, same of tamala asura who is the perfect example of the westerners demons mentality without any vaisnava history background. He got forgave by SRILA PRABHUPADA but SRILA PRABHUPADA was so powerful that HE could burn to ash all their offenders in a fraction of a second like HDG JESUS CHRIST these are the real devotees and we can see through THEM how far we still are from perfection by looking for revenge most of the time.
Never mind we are glad to be connected with SRILA PRABHUPADA causeless mercy free revenges etc…
agtSP ys haribol
I think it wise to refrain from injecting myself into the realm of transcendental speculations of synthetic misunderstandings regarding this disturbing subject matter, but somehow or other, I feel compelled to comment just this once. I’m hopeful that everyone here knows factually that no such time ever existed when the pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada was not under the direct protection of Srimati Radharani and Krsna. So there is no question of anyone “killing” Prabhupada! The incomprehensible reasons for the event are far beyond the reach of even the sincere devotees who remain bewildered as to the true nature of any past time or desire of Srimati Radharani and Krsna, what to speak of the feeble minded, stagnated speculators. And although the sincere devotee’s intentions in this case are admirable, such speculations into the endless possibilities, or the polluting of the body of a pure devotee are irrelevant. We should know undoubtedly that simply isn’t possible! The outward appearance of some “pollution” is an indisputable by-product of our imperfect senses and is therefore not the issue. The real point here is that no one has the power to “kill” the Spiritual Master! Furthermore we can rest assured that the resultant effect of those who assumed the role of perpetrator by dint of their nefarious desires are due unimaginable consequences. “The hands of time turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine”. The laws of nature are indeed precise and mercilessly strict, therefore anyone and everyone involved either directly or indirectly will unmistakably be held accountable.
I do recall an instance where Prabhupada says at one point in an intimate conversation with His leading men, that it was rumored His Guru Maharaj was poisoned. A devotee then asked if it was factually true and Prabhupada replied, “I think so”. Srila Prabhupada never attempted to either expose any alleged responsible parties, or exact some so called revenge or even pusue some temporary material justice. And He certainly did not campaign to discredit any of His Godbrothers. He never diverted His attention from His mission by wasting His valuable time and energy on such things. Therefore why should we?
This unfathomable, event has always and will forevermore bear the stench of a deliberate campaign to take Prabhupada out of the equation for the typical,obvious motivations; Wealth, Women and Prestige. But we should try to understand that we’ll never really know for certain what took place. And the fact that there’s really nothing we can do about it. Ultimately we are powerless and therefore should leave it in Krsna’s hands just like everything else. Our business is clearly progression on the spiritual path Srila Prabhupada so kindly chalked out for us. Nothing more. “We accept that which is favorable to our Krsna consciousness, and reject that which is not”.
Priyavrata das says : ” ……. A devotee then asked if it was factually true and Prabhupada replied,
“I think so… .”
That was the case of Srila Prabhupada’s Guru Maharaja SBSST.
Now the same thing in this case of Srila Prabhupada Himself says ; ” He has been poisoned “.
In both the cases, the poison issue is indeed a factual facts because Srila Prabhupada Himself says so.
Is it not TRUE ?
Thus, where is the room for any speculation as Priyavrata das writes in his comments ?
That is what we the followers of Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions – VANI reject and expose exactly to the people in general of the unauthorized changes to not only Srila Prabhupada’s books but to the system of Initiations also in Srila Prabhupada’s world wide Institution.
Is it not a factual fact Priyavrata das Prabhu ?
Yes it is quite understood that the laws of nature are indeed precise and mercilessly strict, therefore anyone and everyone involved either directly or indirectly will unmistakably be held accountable.
Hope it meets the readers satisfactory.
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Hare Krsna Amar Puri prabhu,
obeisance at your feet. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
It’s good that you understand the laws of nature. And in my estimation, yes, “factual fact”, Prabhupada was indeed poisoned. I never denied that Amar. The “room” for speculation lies in the fact that we are not absolutely certain “Who” or “whom” did the dirty deed and who exactly conspired to do so. And I’m fairly certain we may never know. The whloe point of all my comments Amar which I think you are somehow missing, even the ones that were unfairly refused postiong which you know nothing of, is quite simple; All this is irrelevent in our spiritual progression. Is it not? Will you or any of us as a potential result of the endeavors in this regard, be propelled or provided advancement on the spiritual path Prabhupada put us on? No, absolutely not. Did Prabhupada demonstrate by example any endeavors on any level to investigate, or pursue some material justice for His Guru Maharaj? No. Did He campaign to consistently critisize, imply and accuse His useless Godbrothers publically? No, He certainly did not. Other than His warning to stay away from them and purport their incompetence, He did nothing. Why do you think that is Amar? Obviously because it has no relevence to The Mission. Tell me honestly prabhu, what exactly is the result or the desired result of all this energy being directed towards this campaign? Has it, or will it increase book distribution, or the preaching, or any extensional gain for that matter? You seem very sincere in your devotion to Prabhupada Amar, that’s why I am answering your humble questions to the best of my ability. Be assured that I am not advocating or excusing any of the nonsense. No! I’m on the same page with you. However If I had it my way, I would personally take them all out, or at the very least, join the campaign. But that’s not what Prabhupada taught me. He taught me to chant Hare Krsna, tell others about Krsna, and simply keep Krsna in the center of my life. That’s it! That is perfection according to Srila Prabhupada. We are not the doers Amar! Krsna is! Therefore what can any us do in this or any other respect. Better to let Krsna work it out, don’t waste your valuable time in this fruitless endeavor. I have answered your questions prabhu, now please extend me your answers to mine.
Your servant,
Priyavrata das
Priyavrata das writes affirmatively in answering questions in my comments when he says ;
” … And in my estimation, yes, “factual fact”, Prabhupada was indeed poisoned. I never denied that Amar.”
And in his next statement he rejects it creating his doubts when he says ;
” The “room” for speculation lies in the fact that we are not absolutely certain “Who” or “whom” did the dirty deed and who exactly conspired to do so. And I’m fairly certain we may never know. ”
Accepting and rejecting simultaneously is the state of the delusional minded person.
Is it not a fact Priyavrata das ?
That is why your comments are being refused to post on this web site as it appears being CONTRADICTORY.
Where is the room for any speculation as Priyavrata das writes repeatedly in his comments ?
Therefore, that is what we the followers of Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions — VANI reject and expose exactly to the people in general of the unauthorized changes to not only Srila Prabhupada’s books but to the system of Initiations also in Srila Prabhupada’s world wide Institution.
Is it not a factual fact Priyavrata das Prabhu ?
How can you keep Krsna in the center of your life WHEN the bona fide Representative of Krsna’s Instructions – VANI have been changed to best suit the agenda of the present bogus gurus of Iskcon ?
Have you ever thought of it ?
Of course, we are not the doers, Krsna is.
Does this mean that you or I do not have any thing to do with it as per our ability ?
Certainly, we must have to do our service according to our ability and capability not only to chant, distributing books and following the regulative principles but to bring out the factual facts also to the general public.
Is this not what we the followers of Srila Prabhupada doing to which you, Priyavrata das rejecting and opposing by writing with your delusional state of mind ?
Did Lord Shri Krishna instruct to Arjuna NOT to fight as a duty ?
Did Shri Arjuna leave every thing to let Krsna work it out without his personal involvement ?
Should you have a CONSTRUCTIVE answer to all these questions, you may post it, otherwise please refrain it doing so because your delusional writing will not be of any help. Therefore, it may not be posted.
Hope it meets the Readers satisfactory.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.