“The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh?
That Maricha–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana;
and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.”
Room Conversation, November 10, 1977, Vrindavan
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH? That Maricha–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krishna: Who is this Prabhupada’s talking about?
Note: Srila Prabhupada sends Tamal OUT of the room THIS is when POISON was mentioned in HINDI
THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL.
BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH?
Jagadisa: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama?
Tamal Krsna: This seems like suicide Srila Prabhupada, this program.It seems to some of us like its suicidal.
Prabhupada: AND THIS IS ALSO SUICIDAL.
TKG: Hm. Prabhupada said, “AND THIS IS ALSO SUICIDAL”. NOW YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE.
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA.EH? THAT MARICA-IF HE DOES NOT GO TO MISLEAD SITA, HE’LL BE KILLED BY RAVANA; AND IF HE GOES TO BE KILLED BY RAMA, THEN IT IS BETTER.
Please Note: Tamals answer to Srila Prabhupada is the most horrible, telling his Guru to choose between two different suicides, instead of letting his Guru live, by letting him go on Parikrama. Srila Prabhupada stated that he would be cured if he goes.
Page 380..After so many statements by others that he should not go on parikrama.
Prabhupada: BUT I THINK I SHALL BE CURED…(by removing myself from my caretakers and going on parikrama).
Note: Here Srila Prabhupada compares himself to Marica. His going to visit the holy places in weaken health would be like being kill by Rama (God) His staying in the room with his Ravana disciples being forced to take their poison would be like being killed by Ravana (a great demon)
In a gentlemanly way Srila Prabhupada says “The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama.” That means he is saying it is better to be amongst his real disciples on Parikrama (good paddy – where he will regain his health or as his Divine Grace clearly said “But i think i shall be cured”) and die there than stay with demons and be poisoned to death.
In other words with this above statement alone Srila Prabhupada is saying he is been killed by his Ravana disciples if he stays inside the room. Everyone with heart can understand Srila Prabhupada’s cry for help to go out on Parikrama. Only Ravana disciples and other similar heartless demons with no love for Srila Prabhupada cannot hear him saying this!!! Therefore the above logic presented so nicely by Srila Prabhupada reveals that he was poisoned “to death” by his Ravana disciples [demons].
[Comments by Naveen Krishna dasa]
First, on Nov 8th, Srila Prabhuapda, with his servants confirming, has stated that it is possible that he has been poisoned by somebody. Hours later, forensic experts confirm the whispers..”Its going down…the poisons’s going down”. Now Srila Prabhupada states that he is being killed by “Ravana”, and that to stay there in the current situation is like committing suicide, or being killed by Ravana. Instead if he is able to leave the situation, even if he dies, then that is prefered because then he would be die in the care of “Rama”..instead of in the care of “Ravana”. He confirms again a few minutes later that he will be cured by leaving that situation and getting away on parikrama.
Here are the blatantly obvious questions:
-Who is the Ravana that Srila Prabhupada is stating will kill him?
-Why was TKG so cool and quick in his understanding that, “NOW YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE”? Such an astonishing statement! And why wasn’t he, as Srila Prabhupada’s caretaker, not immediately concerned as to why Srila Prabhupada thought that staying there was suicide; or to find out WHO WAS THE RAVANA?
-Is the RAVANA connection to the previous discussions about being poisoned not obvious?
-Why does Prabhupada compare himself to Marica? Does he know that his name will be used to mislead others by the Ravana in the future just like Marica was used to mislead Sita? Have we been mislead for years by the “Ravana” and his followers?
Note some of the pasttimes and ambitions of Ravana:
1.Meaning of the word Ravana..”One who makes others cry”
2.Dresses as a sannyasi to mislead Sita.
3.Performs great austerities to achieve his purposes.
4.Steals Sita…but only the false Sita.(Is there a false Iskcon in a similar way…stolen by Ravana?). Then what and where is the real Iskcon?
Note by Mukunda dasa: ANSWER = GOING ON INTERNALLY – ORIGINAL BOOKS and Followers:
They are now feeling the weight of this movement. Formerly they thought these people come and go, but now they see we are staying. Now we have set fire. It will go on, it cannot be stopped. You can bring big, big fire brigades but the fire will act. The brainwash books are already there. Even if they stop externally, internally it will go on. Our first class campaign is book distribution. Go house to house. The real fighting is now. Krsna will give you all protection. So, chant Hare Krsna and fight.
(S.P. Letter to: Tamala Krsna, Vrindaban 30 October, 1976)
5.Uses Marica to mislead Sita? (Has Prabhupada’s name been used over and over again to cheat and mislead thousands of devotees?)
Finally, what would YOU have done if Srila Prabhupada was saying that by leaving that situation with “Ravana” HE WOULD BE CURED? Beg him to stay where he was? Why? Did the Kaviraja know better than Srila Prabhupada that Srila Prabhupada desires were protested so strongly? Was there another motive?
Srila Prabhupada: Don’t keep me locked up.…..
All seriously consider this submission and let me go.
Prabhupada: I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and let me try to travel all the tirthasthana (holy places)…. In the open air and bullock cart or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine. So during daytime I shall travel and night time you make a camp under a tree. In this way let me travel all the tirthas [holy places]. I am thinking in this way. What is your opinion?….. So Lokanatha party has got some experience and let me go. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vrndavana or Mayapura, that’s all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced.
Jayapataka: As much as you have trained us, Srila Prabhupada, that is only how much we are experienced. We don’t want that you be burdened any more with material management problems but…
Prabhupada: No, not from that point of view. What is the use of lying down here?
Jayapataka: The kaviraja (doctor) said…
Prabhupada: Kaviraja may say…
Jayapataka: …that even that your body is going to, is got a life of six to ten years but he said even a healthy cow, if it’s kept locked up inside of a room, then it will deteriorate.
Prabhupada: And therefore I say, (laughs) don’t keep me locked up.….. All seriously consider this submission and let me go.
[Room Con. Nov. 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]
“those who poisoned the body of Srila Prabhupada“
Pancali Devi Dasi Acbsp
Dear PADA! Your folks on facebook are getting mad and spread false information! Plz read sastra, the body of a pure devotee cannot be poisoned, poison does not act! This is nonsensical statement. People in general conclude that you state that Prabhupada, a pure devotee, was captured by a gang of conditioned souls, poisoned like a rat, choked to death like a dog and made to meet a forcible death like a criminal – kicked out of his body by violence.
Prabhupada: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It is possible.
Kaviraja: If he says that, there must definitely be some truth in it.
Tamal Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him.
Bhakti-caru: Someone gave him poison here.
[PADA: The crucifixion of Jesus was not a violent act? Who told you that? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that the crucifixion of Jesus was anything other than a violent act? Srila Prabhupada says: Just as Jesus was killed, they may kill me also. Many of Krishna’s relatives and His dear devotees were killed at Kurukshetra, the sons of the Pandavas were killed there as well, and so on and so forth. Where does Srila Prabhupada say none of these great devotees ever died?
You need to make your case based on shastra. Srila Prabhupada says that there is a Ravana in his room, and he wanted to get out of the room because — its better to be killed by Rama than Ravana, meaning — a Ravana is in his room and that Ravana wanted to kill him. Was he making that up? Srila Prabhupada says that the Gaudiya Matha idea is to “kill guru and become guru.” Is this also a “made up story” or were there people around in 1936 who wanted to kill their guru and take over?
Where does Srila Prabhupada say — Krishna’s devotees, even pure devotees, may not be subjected to being killed? Rather, Srila Prabhupada says one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he gave his life to preach about God. Srila Prabhupada also says Jesus is a pure devotee, and that he was crucified, and that in the same way, he may be killed as well. Where does he say Jesus was never crucified? No, he says many times that Jesus was in fact crucified.
Srila Prabhupada says his own guru was “given injections” which he protested, and that he would have lived for many more years — except for the nefarious actions of his disciples. A whole conversation about gurus being killed by motivated followers and disciples is part of the “poison tapes.” Where does Srila Prabhupada say that Krishna’s pure devotees are not subject to being attacked or even killed?
Even Krishna was allegedly killed by a hunter’s arrow, of course we never said that Krishna or His pure devotees are being factually killed, because they are eternal — but there may be some lila that they are being killed. In sum, shastra says there may be some lila that they are being killed.]
*** In other words you state that a pure devotee is captured by the modes of material nature.
[PADA: Jesus was crucified, Krishna’s relatives were killed at Kurushetra etc., where did we say that means they were captured by the modes of nature? You are making up arguments we never stated?]
*** Whereas a pure devotee is always situated in transcendental position.
[PADA: We never said anything to the contrary? Where did we say that Jesus being crucified meant he was not transcendental? You are arguing with your own shadow.]
*** Kindly correct your polluted understanding and tell this also to your friends who are similarly stuck in this tamasic misunderstanding. The body of a pure devotee cannot be poisoned. Prabhupada left because Krishna wanted it like that. Capiche? Not because as you state, he was forced by the modes of nature.
[PADA: OK, you are the ones who are making the argument that Jesus and Srila Prabhupada were captured by the modes of nature, we never said that. You are arguing with your own shadow. The poison issue is here to stay because Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, not because PADA said anything.
This is the problem we are now having with William I. Moorehouse, Prahlad das, and the IRM they support etc., they are saying that the poison issue is “PADA’s lies.” OK, wait a minute! Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being given poison. Is he making up lies? It seems to us that you are the people who are attacking Srila Prabhupada by saying his statements are “PADA’s lies.” He is the one who said he is being given poison, its not something we made up as a big lie? Why are you folks saying that we are making this up, and that its a lie? That is what Tamal said!
Sorry, he said he is being given poison, everyone in the room agrees he says he is being given poison. The kavirajas at the scene say he has the symptoms of poison. The people in the room are whispering about giving him poison. Sorry, this is not “PADA’s lies,” as Tamal, the GBC, Prahlad and his IRM and other folks are trying to paint all this, its what happened. Is Srila Prabhupada “making up lies”?
In any case if you think that being crucified is not a violent act, you need to re-learn everything and start all over again. If you want to discuss this reasonably, you have to deal with the direct statements from Srila Prabhupada, the statements of the people in the room, the whispers, the statements of the kavirajas, and other assorted evidences, instead of waving you hand and dispensing all this as “PADA’s lies.” That is not going to resolve the issue. Go back and look at the evidence, including the statements of Srila Prabhupada, and then argue from there. ys pd]
TKG being so cool and quick in his answering affirmed to Srila Prabhupada saying , :
“NOW YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE”?
It is indeed an astonishing statement !
It is quite similar circumstances in the Ramayana we read that when Ravana brought the cut off head of Lord Rama to helpless Mata Sita in order to weaken her strength. The same way TKG did to his helpless Guru Maharaja Srila Prabhupada to weaken his strength by answering Srila Prabhupada ; ” “NOW YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH SUICIDE”.
TKG did display his role exactly as a RAVANA from the beginning of his spiritual life serving Srila Prabhupada till his terrible ending of his life by the miserable accident.
Interested Readers can read all the details as revealed through his horoscope at the following link ;
http://www.harekrsna.org/Tamal-Horoscope.htm
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Very good article. Well written and to the point. So unbelievable that Tamala Krishna could ask Srila Prabhupada to” choose which suicide ” !!! If that is not proof enough that he was a dangerous and sinister person, then tell me what is?
All glories to Srila Prabhupada !!
Yes, this is very good writing. The bogus gurus ‘s disciples certainly did not watch the videofilm. They perhaps will read these writings.
SB.5.19.4. Purport
“…Unless one is saturated with love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one cannot appreciate the transcendental value of Lord Rāmacandra; one cannot see Him with material eyes. Because demons like Rāvaṇa have no spiritual vision, they consider Lord Rāmacandra an ordinary kṣatriya king. Rāvaṇa therefore attempted to kidnap Lord Rāmacandra’s eternal consort, Sītādevī. Actually, however, Rāvaṇa could not carry off Sītādevī in her original form. As soon as she was touched by Rāvaṇa’s hands, she gave him a material form, but she maintained her original form beyond his vision. Therefore in this verse the words pratyak praśāntam indicate that Lord Rāmacandra and His potency, the goddess Sītā, keep themselves aloof from the influence of the material energy…”
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !
Even though Srila Prabhupada is saying these things very clearly, still many will not accept because for them to do so they would reveal themselves as co-conspirators, rascals and flunkies so they remain in denial (as they have been in this state all their lives, in the company of other fools also). Like Kalasamvara (but we both know who you were discussing on that fateful, last taxi ride with Tamal Krishna Swami, don’t we Kala?) Krishna reveals such things to those who accept Srila Prabhupada within their hearts as He does on so many other levels…..Tamal Krishna’s ghost descending down a ladder, powerless and defeated.
These things are all very perplexing to those who have NO connection to Srila Prabhupada as they have Zero realisation, perhaps this is why Kalasamvara was still worshipping Bhavanada’s picture a decade after he was exposed as a paedophile child abuser (or perhaps he still does!). I remember you saying Kala, that your future ‘vision’ of ISKCON was that it would be just like the Catholic Church!, well you were almost right because under your influence it’s a hell of a lot worse than that! And who do you think your kidding poncing around in your ‘designer dhoti’ like a big girl, nose in the air and head waving from side to side, your ‘cover’ got blown, so you had to get “married” again. You don’t fool anyone with that ‘straight guy’ routine you’ve been in that closet so long you smell like mothballs!
Realisation comes ONLY from following Srila Prabhupada not from monkey’s and pretenders like Prabhavisnu, Devamrta (Dave’s not here!) and Indradumbo, what a sad pathetic bunch of hypocrites and pretenders you all are.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Sudarsana
It’s been exactly a year today (8th April) that my (Jack Russell) dog died, he’d lived a long life and had prasadam every day (loved those cauliflower pakoras!) and many walks to beach and parks. I knew he wouldn’t last the night as he had lost probably 90% of his energy since around midday so it kind of came on all of a sudden which I guess was Krishna’s blessing. He lost all desire for even water so I was certain that he did not have long, sometimes he would go outside to be on his own and then he would come inside seeking comfort. He was a friendly little guy and very playful, playing with toys for hours at a time as a young dog but now he was tired and ready to leave his body.
It was past midnight so I thought I would turn in, but I let my dog make his own choice. He could die by himself outside or he could as he pleased come into my room where there was a basket for him, or he could choose die in the laundry room where there was another bed and this was where I found him the next morning. In that place I was just on the other side of a plasterboard wall, so he was close to me but at the same time separate, there was also a small orange night light for him also. Birth and death are the most traumatic experience so I tried to minimise his suffering by allowing him to make his own choice, which he did.
Tamal Krishna and his demonic associates didn’t even allow Srila Prabhupada to make the choice which I allowed my dog to make, and what is monumentally worse poisoned him as well. When I think about Srila Prabhupada’s situation being tortured by these heinous demons it is such an unforgiveable act of cowardice and treachery it makes me cry. Krishna has revealed to me though what fate is in store for demons such as Tamal Krishna and even though Srila Prabhupada’s wishes were ignored and poison was administered this in no way diminished the position of His Divine Grace as he is Uttama Adhikari and eternally liberated soul. It only diminishes the offenders of Srila Prabhupada the worst of which are murderers, torturers, paedophiles, thieves and psychopaths.
Being a hypocrite bogus GBC pseudo guru/sannyasi or collaborator and surrounding yourself with sycophants and flunkies isn’t going to save you at the time of death so you are maybe ‘wise’ to enjoy the world whilst you are still here, and try to prolong your life because Yamaraja already has your ‘cage’ ready and waiting for you when you leave!
“On him does death lie heavily who, but too well known to all dies to himself unknown” Senaca
pamho agtACBSP
To kill or not kill manifested and unmanifested devotees and not devotees it’s all within the factor time, that’s why SIVA SANKARA BANKANDI MAHADEVA always pray SRI SANKARSANA to bind up to the samsara all the demons and to make free all the sura devotees, like the internet is been discovered to destroy all the demons and to bless all the devotees who see that modern technology as a expansion of SRI ANANTA SESA which can be compared to the param brahman as well but not for the blinds who are been already killed through their blindness and weakness of the material body, even before jara and mrityu because of their envious nature, therefore they are krpana not merciful at all and already dead.
I mean they do not need to be killed because they are suffering that terrible disease called illusion. Where is the use to kill someone who is not worthy to be killed? But through the three klesa three gunas, time places and circumstances everything is manifested like that this is just the beginning of the troublesome journey of the asuras, that’s avidya kama karmabhir, everything goes wrong then comes anda kupa tamisrera.
One has to go to the hell, then yasyajnaya bramati sambhrita kalo cakro, one has to accept another body machine within the fourteen ghostly planetary systems of this ekamsena sthito jagat through deva human and pasu animals society by the wheel of the factor time, and the last punishment is sahasra yuga paryantam at the time of the pralaya devastation one goes to sleep for millions of years,this is the bad karma of those who are been already killed by all this troublesome journey.
SRILA PRABHUPADA also used to say that material life is just troubles also because people are already killed through KALO SMI, but this killing is there too through kama krodha lobha mohan matsarya and mada craziness by the guna sangasya, and to be killed by LORD RAMA requires a lot of pious activities, I mean mukti doesn’t come so easily by the hands of SRI RAMA as happened to ravana, he had plenty of pious activities sukrti by being a resident of the seven gate in vaikunta loka, therefore is better to be killed by LORD RAMA instead of demons like ravana, but to be killed by LORD RAMA one must work hard otherwise others inferior living entities will seize you and use you for their selfish demand of the bodily concept of life which makes people murders of the own self and the collective self as well.
The only way is to surrender. In this way one can be situated beyond the killing and the killed.
agtSP ys haribol