Who Will Be the First To Reject Their False Guruship?
I have been reading your website and I am wondering what would happen if one guru threw off his guruship status and cried out to Prabhupada to forgive him of his offences? What would he do next? To my mind he would have to give up all of his disciples very carefully by explaining why he cheated them by pretending to be a guru in direct disobedience of his very own guru Prabhupada. Then he would have to teach them about Prabhupada and how they can take more and more shelter of Prabhupada and less and less of himself. This must be done first. Until and unless these devotees do this they will continue to cheat us and lie to us and make offence at the lotus feet of Prabhupada. If one can do this then others will have a good example to follow and then they too can do the same. The ones that are left will be known as first class cheaters for everyone will see them as the naked emperor.
My guru did not do this, but when I saw him fall down I knew he was not a pure devotee for pure devotees do not act like this. So I immediately take shelter from Prabhupada and the more I did the more I was happy.
I still see my old guru taking so much respect and donation from all his disciples but I know he does not change. There are still new stories about his problems with sex desire and his not chanting but everyone keeps this very quiet especially his disciples who get angry if there is any talk about this.
Over many years I have been devotee I have seen many problems in our ISKCON and so many devotees are unhappy after spending some years following their guru but after sometime they grow suspicious of their guru for their guru only is after donation and you must work for him looking after his needs. Washing his clothes cooking for him special preps and sumptuous food many times better than the Deities in Temple. If you change from this then immediately you are noticed by other devotees who begin to cause you trouble. When your guru notices this he gets angry and many times cast you away from him. No direct service for him then you cannot stay in Temple or do any service until you change back again.
When I was in his camp I knew nothing of Prabhupada only guru maharaja. When we did guru puja we would all be happy to sing for Prabhupada but everyone gets many times more happy singing and jumping for guru maharaja. Now I am not sure with going to the Temple, for many years now. I do not feel welcome by my old god brother and sister. I am enemy. I am still devotee, still I am chanting doing everything I did before but now there is no service for me at Temple all because I now worship Prabhupada and not my old guru maharaja.
This I now know is very wrong. Everyone should be welcome in Krishna Temple not just the disciple of this guru or that guru everyone. Now I do not know where to go for my spiritual life my old Temple is against me and every other Temple close by has another guru in charge. In the whole of Europe there is no Temple for Prabhupada.
In beginning I said if one guru take off his guruship status and became humble servant of Prabhupada then maybe others will follow his example. I know in my heart that one day this will happen for this is not our or the guru movement it belongs to Prabhupada.
I am very, very happy to read many devotees who are thinking the same way like I am in your website Prabhupada Vision. I am praying with my heart full of hope that everything will change so that we can all work together to create a wonderful sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Caitanya mangal das
Hare Krishna Caitanya mangal prabhu, please accept my obeisances. All the glories to Prabhupada!!
Yes it is very hard for us when we leave the temple or get pushed away. There is a price to pay for seeking out the truth and rejecting what we know in our hearts is cheating and wrong. I guess in some ways it’s a test of our faith to see if we take the easy path or the hard one. Like Vidura, we must leave our bow at the door and enter into the forest alone. But let us never forget that these men do not own or control Srila Prabhupada or Krishna. Srila Prabhupada is for everyone, and we can receive his love, guidance and protection anywhere within the Universe if we just call out for him. And one or two devotee friends who are true to Srila Prabhupada is better company and association than a temple full of mislead and misguided souls.
Thank you for your sincere letter.
“And one or two devotee friends who are true to Srila Prabhupada is better company and association than a temple full of mislead and misguided souls.”
Exactly Prabhu…we have to accept what is favourable and reject what is unfavourable for our devotional creeper. Sri Upadesamrta texts 2 & 3.
Your humble streetsweeper
B das.
Nice photo!
Even the monkey (Is that the one on the left?) can sense that ……something is a bit ‘on the nose’ around here!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
pamho agtACBSP, don’t be surprised to see the monkey also because H.H maha visnu swami is coming from hippy background history but he is a sincere soul because he admit that SRILA PRABHUPADA is the real guru acharya. At least he lift up the humor through his funny behaviour by taking this life with philosophy in keeping following his guru maharaj.
He is from England I met him also many years ago in SRI SRI RADHA LONDONISVARA TEMPLE in soho street. Not all the guru hoaxers are like maha visnu swami I mean many kangooru still don’t want to admit that SRILA PRABHUPADA is the real diksa guru of iskcon as maha visnu swami already admitted, there is nothing to hide because almost everyone can recognize the real Guru. Nowadays by the help of all the prabhupadanugas websites around the world is not like 40 years ago whent almost everyone were blind about the real guru tattva and everyone was taking diksa initiation by bogus Gurus.
It’s different nowadays because of the bonafide websites connected still with the original teaching of SRILA PRABHUPADA which make a lot of sincere devotees to wake up to the reality by accepting SRILA PRABHUPADA only as the pukka diksa guru of iskcon and not a flickring fake image reflection which is trying to imitate SRILA PRABHUPADA by getting more trapped in what is not this. So many thanks to the prabhupadanugas websites for their helpful cooperation in establishing SRILA PRABHUPADA as the original diksa guru of iskcon,agtSP ys haribol
Sudarsana Das Vanacari:
Nice photo!
Even the monkey (Is that the one on the left?) can sense that ……something is a bit ‘on the nose’ around here!
Mahesh: Looks like they are born as TWINS. So similar.
Dear Abhaya Charana Seva Prabhu.
I am sure that the ‘Guru Hoaxers’ range from the ‘benign and benevolent’ to deep depths of ‘bastardry, buggery and belligerence’ but ‘In for a penny, In for a pound’ as they say!
I have nothing against hippy’s (are there still some around these days?) or monkeys but if someone is claiming to be a follower of Srila Prabhupada how can you simultaneously be part of ISKCON (in its present state) where an ‘oath of fealty’ to the present GBC is MANDATORY with the knowledge that the GBC are systematically trying to destroy Srila Prabhupadas’ books, His mission, His true followers, His philosophy, and His temples?
You can’t ‘have your cake and eat it too’. You have to fight hypocrisy and stand up for Srila Prabhupada and the truth and be prepared to give up everything, or one simply becomes a ‘prostitute’ in the dress of vaisnava………….what is the value in this?
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
pamho sudarsana prabhu agtACBSP
Yes it’s true one must become serious in the way back home by avoiding to look funny, is not a question of sentimentalism but hippy background habits which are still around,is not like at the time of maha visnu swami I mean nowadays is more difficulty the hippy lifestyle in the 60 was more easy,actually our movement is been building up by hippy society members,it was the time of L.S.D when SRILA PRABHUPADA got America with the jaladuta to save all these hippy by trying to make them happy. Not all of them changed lifestyle as we can see from this picture above and there are gbc who are much worse then maha visnu swami, of course their wives in the form of the mind got stolen by the senses which are like prostitutes and a real vaisnava is beyond these things,we are representing SRILA PRABHUPADA therefore we must look always jubiliant because to look funny is giving the chance to other people to check you by finding fault in you for not representing SRILA PRABHUPADA seriously
Anyway all the guru hoaxers are victims of the bad side effects of Krsna consciousness by keeping going in the wrong direction of SRILA PRABHUPADA instructions, their guna and karma make clearly visible their bodily concept of life sentence prisonment for disobey SRILA PRABHUPADA through their hippy background history habits still alive
agtSP ys haribol
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Hare Krishna prabhus.
Nice comparison. Infact the monkey will be feeling shame after seeing this “monkey”
Yours
Bhakta John