“Just like we have got a tendency to construct a skyscraper building. As in your country, you do. So you should not be attached to the skyscraper building, but you can utilize the tendency by constructing a big temple like skyscraper for Krishna. In this way, you have to purify your material activities.”(Srila Prabhupada in a class in front of the samadhi of Srila Rupa Gosvami in Vrindavan, Oct 29th, 1972)
“This is Krishna conscious vision: ‘Oh, there are so many skyscrapers. Why not construct a nice skyscraper temple of Krishna?’ This is Krishna consciousness.” (Srila Prabhupada lecture in Bombay, Feb 25th, 1974)
Agra: Work on the world’s tallest Krishna temple at 210 metres will begin on Janmashtami, August 18, on 70 acres of land in Vrindavan.
This was announced at a press conference here on Tuesday evening by Kolkata-based Infinity group chairman Ravindra Chamaria.
The temple will encompass a huge hall for religious gatherings, a museum displaying the “Leelas of Sri Krishna,” a study-centre-cum library, a Krishna Leela Park and the 12 forests of Braj where Krishna frolicked.
The Bangalore branch of Iskcon is collaborating on the project.
The temple complex will also have a residential colony with luxury villas and apartments in 11 towers.
Chamaria said those who come to visit the Taj Mahal will now have an added attraction to stay longer to pay a visit to Vrindavan.
(by Iskcon Times and Zeenews)
No DVD, division of service by guna and karma. No farm project inhabited by graduates of DVD collage. Poisonous vaccinations pushed on Indian children. World leader visit’s!? Hello it is a nwo scheme that Madhu is head of. Rtvik schmitvik, does mean or change a thing. Cheaters are still cheating because there are no ksatriyas leading these communities.Certainly Madhu is NOT a brahmana!
Vrndavan has lost it’s charm and atmosphere to greed, humungous false egos building bigger and better. The bottom line will be devotees complaining about the ever encroaching developments. Then we will get government restrictions of movement to protect what is left. So Madhu’s Disneyland will be as close as you will get to parikama. and the design is as ugly as they come. Where is the traditional architecture?
Hare Krishna prabhus.
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Below are the quotes of Srila Prabhupada regarding Modernization and Sky-scrappers in Vrindavana:
So this Krishna consciousness movement is trying to revive the original, constitutional position. So one of them, in Krishna consciousness movement, is village organization, as you are trying here. Krishna, in His natural life, is a village boy in Vrindāvana. Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes. In the śāstra it is said, vrindāvanaṁ parityajya sa kvacin naiva gacchati [Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta 1.5.461]. Krishna is so fond of that Vrindāvana village life, with His cowherd boys and cowherd girls, gopīs, mother Yaśodā, father Nanda, and Upananda, uncles, and big family, the cows and the calves, the trees, the Yamunā River. He is satisfied in that life. So at least those who are Krishna conscious, they should be satisfied with simple life in the village. That is part of Krishna consciousness.
(Srila Prabhupada at Evening Lecture at Gītā-Nagarī Farm – July 16, 1976, Port Royal)
“VRINDABAN DOES NOT REQUIRE TO BE MODERNIZED BECAUSE KRISHNA’S VRINDABAN IS TRANSCENDENTAL VILLAGE. They completely depend on nature’s beauty and nature’s protection. The community in which Krishna preferred to belong was Vaisya community, because Nanda Maharaja happened to be a Vaisya king, or landholder, and his main business was cow protection. It is understood that he had 900,000 cows and Krishna and Balarama used to take charge of them, along with His many cowherd boy friends, and every day, in the morning He used to go out with His friends and cows into the pasturing grounds. SO, IF YOU SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONVERT THIS NEW SPOT AS NEW VRINDABAN, I SHALL ADVISE YOU NOT TO MAKE IT VERY MUCH MODERNIZED. But as you are American boys, you must make it just suitable to your minimum needs. NOT TO MAKE IT TOO MUCH LUXURIOUS AS GENERALLY EUROPEANS AND AMERICANS ARE ACCUSTOMED. BETTER TO LIVE THERE WITHOUT MODERN AMENITIES. But to live a natural healthy life for executing Krishna Consciousness. It may be an ideal village where the residents will have plain living and high thinking. For plain living we must have sufficient land for raising crops and pasturing grounds for the cows. If there is sufficient grains and production of milk, then the whole economic problem is solved.”
Letter to: Hayagriva — Montreal 14 June, 1968
“How they were happy, the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana with Kṛṣṇa and living and cows. That I want to introduce. At any cost do it and… DON’T BOTHER ABOUT BIG, BIG BUILDINGS. IT IS NOT REQUIRED. USELESS WASTE OF TIME. Produce. Make the whole field green. See that. Then whole economic question solved. Then you eat sumptuous. Eat sumptuously. The animal is happy. The animal even does not give milk; let them eat and pass stool and urine. That is welcome. After all, eating, they will pass stool. So that is beneficial, not that simply milk is beneficial. Even the stool is beneficial. Therefore I am asking so much here and…, “Farm, farm, farm, farm.” That is not my program—Kṛṣṇa’s program. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni (BG 3.14). PRODUCE GREENNESS EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE. VṚNDĀVANA. IT IS NOT THIS MOTORCAR CIVILIZATION. If it has taken in his brain, then it is to be understood that he can do it, this plan. He’ll be able.” (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 27, 1977)
I think Madhu Pandit prabhu and IB devotees should read and confirm THEIR IDEAS of preaching from Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Ritvikism does not allow you to do anything rather you need to be more strict and staunch.
Now Bangalore is also deviated in many ways.
Yours
Bhakta John
I’m clapping my hands to your reply Bk John.
Madhu has been off all along, it just takes time for some to see. Following the rtvik instruction will NOT improve a person’s qualities in varna or asrama. He is STILL the results of his actions.
Any more than voting can improve guna and karma.
DOM open voting is another scam for sinister to maintain control through unqualified voters. Take a look around you if you think democracy is working. DOM was given to a brahmana movement, meant for the management of brahmana activities in their varna and society.
The architect/designer of this building must have been inspired by Albert Speer as the lower structure resembles both the Reich’s Chancellery building (Berlin) and the Arena in Nuremberg, intimidating, imposing, rigid and monolithic. Is this building with it’s phallic, skyscraper concept Srila Prabhupada’s vision of Vrindavan or the misguided, grandiose aspiration of Madhu Pandit? And what will be the ‘trancendental’ message that will emanate from this structure ‘the modernization of Vrindavan’?, the glories that come from ‘mundane philanthropic activities and questionable public health initiatives’? And, yes, Bill Clinton! (former disgraced US president), were ‘open for business’? (US dollars of course!), bring all of your Corporate deal makers, India is a great place to do business, you can even gas thousands of people (Bhopal) with total impunity and then just bail and leave the toxic waste behind.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
“Our purpose is not to construct big, big buildings, although that is sometimes required for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness and for giving shelter to people. But our main business is to turn the faces of the bewildered conditioned souls toward Kṛṣṇa. That is our main purpose. Therefore Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and other Vaiṣṇavas have warned us to be careful about constructing too many big temples, because our attention may be diverted toward material things. In other words, we may become forgetful of Kṛṣṇa.” (The Journey of Self-Discovery)
clear mind responses from both Prahlad and Sudarsana.
Hare Krishna prabhus.
More on BIG BIG TEMPLES
“This, our book distribution, is the most important task in our society. Therefore I am giving so much stress and I am working so hard on this. Because this is my life and soul according to the order of my Guru Maharaja. And by his grace it is to some extent successful. And I took it seriously. I take it seriously still now. That is my life and soul. I NEVER TRIED IN INDIA TO CONSTRUCT BIG TEMPLES OR EVEN IN YOUR COUNTRY WE DIDN’T. I NEVER TRIED. BUT I WAS SELLING PERSONALLY BOOKS. THAT IS THE HISTORY. [Room Conversation, Bombay, 31 December 1976]
Yours
Bhakta John
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“Although wherever You stay is Vṛndāvana, You still go to Vṛndāvana just to instruct people. Otherwise, You do whatever You think best.”
PURPORT
It was not essential for Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu to go to Vṛndāvana, for wherever He stayed was immediately converted to Vṛndāvana. Indeed, there was also the River Ganges, the River Yamunā and all other places of pilgrimage. This was also expressed by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself when He danced in the Ratha-yātrā. At that time He said that His very mind was Vṛndāvana (mora-mana–vṛndāvana). Because His mind was Vṛndāvana, all the pastimes of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa were taking place within Himself. Nonetheless, just to teach people, He visited bhauma-vṛndāvana, Vṛndāvana-dhāma in this material world. In this way the Lord instructed everyone to visit Vṛndāvana-dhāma, which is a very holy place. Materialists consider Vṛndāvana-dhāma an unclean city because there are many monkeys and dogs there, and along the bank of the Yamunā there is refuse. Some time ago, a materialistic man asked me, “Why are you living in Vṛndāvana? Why have you selected such a dirty place to live after retiring?” Such a person cannot understand that Vṛndāvana-dhāma is always a representation of the original Vṛndāvana-dhāma. Consequently Vṛndāvana-dhāma is as worshipable as Lord Kṛṣṇa. Ārādhyobhagavān vrajeśa-tanayas tad-dhāma vṛndāvanam: according to Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s philosophy, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa and His abode, Vṛndāvana, are equally worshipable. Sometimes materialistic people who have no spiritual understanding go to Vṛndāvana as tourists. One who goes toVṛndāvana with such materialistic vision cannot derive any spiritual benefit. Such a person is not convinced that Kṛṣṇa and Vṛndāvana are identical. Since they are identical, Vṛndāvana is as worshipable as Lord Kṛṣṇa. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s vision (mora-mana-vṛndāvana) is different from the vision of an ordinary materialistic person. At the Ratha-yātrā festival, Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu, absorbed in the ecstasy of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, dragged Lord Kṛṣṇa back to Vṛndāvana-dhāma. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu spoke of this in the verses beginning āhuś ca te (Madhya 13.136).
In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (10.84.13) it is stated:
yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tridhātuke
svadhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij
janeṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva gokharaḥ
“A human being who identifies this body made of three elements with his self, who considers the by-products of the body to be his kinsmen, who considers the land of birth as worshipable, and who goes to the place of pilgrimage simply to take a bath rather than meet men of transcendental knowledge there, is to be considered like an ass or a cow.”
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu personally renovated Vṛndāvana-dhāma and advised His chief disciples,Rūpa and Sanātana, to develop it and open it to attract the spiritual vision of the general populace. At present there are about five thousand temples in Vṛndāvana, and still our society, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is constructing a huge, magnificent temple for the worship of LordBalarāma, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa and Guru-Gaurāṅga. Since there is no prominent Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma temple inVṛndāvana, we are attempting to construct one so that people will be attracted to Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma, orNitāi-Gauracandra. Vrajendra-nandana yei, śacī suta haila sei. Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says thatBalarāma and the son of Mahārāja Nanda have advented Themselves as Gaura-Nitāi. To propagate this fundamental principle, we are establishing a Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma temple to broadcast to the world that worship of Gaura-Nitāi is the same as worship of Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma.
Although it is very difficult to enter into the Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa pastimes, most of the devotees of Vṛndāvana are attracted to the Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa līlā. However, since Nitāi-Gauracandra are direct incarnations of Balarāma and Kṛṣṇa, we can be directly in touch with Lord Balarāma and Lord Kṛṣṇathrough Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and Nityānanda Prabhu. Those who are highly elevated in Kṛṣṇaconsciousness can enter into the pastimes of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa through the mercy of Śrī CaitanyaMahāprabhu. It is said: śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhuis a combination of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa.
Sometimes materialists, forgetting the pastimes of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma, go toVṛndāvana, accept the land’s spiritual facilities and engage in material activity. This is against the teachings of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. The prākṛta-sahajiyās proclaim themselves vraja-vāsī ordhāma-vāsī, but they are mainly engaged in sense gratification. Thus they become more and more implicated in the materialistic way of life. Those who are pure devotees in Kṛṣṇa consciousness condemn their activities. The eternal vraja-vāsīs like Svarūpa Dāmodara did not even come toVṛndāvana-dhāma. Śrī Puṇḍarīka Vidyānidhi, Śrī Haridāsa Ṭhākura, Śrīvāsa Paṇḍita, Śivānanda Sena, Śrī Rāmānanda Rāya, Śrī Śikhi Māhiti, Śrī Mādhavīdevī and Śrī Gadādhara Paṇḍita Gosvāmī never visited Vṛndāvana-dhāma. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura points out that we have no authorized documents stating that these exalted personalities visited Vṛndāvana. Nonetheless, we find many nondevotees, Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, prākṛta-sahajiyās, fruitive workers, mental speculators and many others with material motives going to Vṛndāvana to live. Many of these people go there to solve their economic problems by becoming beggars. Although anyone living in Vṛndāvana somehow or other is benefited, the real Vṛndāvana is appreciated only by a pure devotee. As stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā: premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. When one has purified eyes, he can see that ŚrīVṛndāvana and the original Goloka Vṛndāvana planet in the spiritual sky are identical.
Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Śrīnivāsa Ācārya, Śrī Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, ŚrīBhagavān dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja and later Śrī Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura of Calcutta always engaged in nāma-bhajana and certainly did not live anywhere butVṛndāvana. Presently, the members of the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement throughout the world live in materially opulent cities, such as London, New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Moscow, Zurich and Stockholm. However, we are satisfied with following in the footsteps of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura and other ācāryas. Because we live in the temples of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa and continuously hold hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana-the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa-we consequently live in Vṛndāvana and nowhere else. We are also following in the footsteps of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu by attempting to construct a temple inVṛndāvana for our disciples throughout the world to visit.
(Cc. Madhya 16.281.)
“So life’s aim is self-realization—Viṣṇu—not the skyscrapers. These are piling stones and woods. This is not very intelligent work. The woods and pile, stones and earth is there already—big, big mountain, hills. You do the business of a porter, carry it out, and high, I mean to say, heap, heap it in one place, it becomes a skyscraper building. And if you simply are proud of these heaps of stones and woods and iron, that is not civilization.” (Lecture on BG 7.1 — San Diego, July 1, 1972)
If bangalore (who is estimated net worth is hundreds of millions$ almost 1 billion$) was serious about the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, they would stress the importance on Self Sustaining communities, they would be offering financial support to the Prabhupadnugas who ARE IN THE FIELDS WORKING and struggling like anything because they have to also work jobs to maintain family etc… a collective worldwide Prabhupada farm-community based program would be top priority, especially given the time’s we are in, with demoniac governments torturing their people… world war 3 just a mouse click away… so what is the need of this giant skyskraper? the money on spent on this project could help fund hundreds of farm communities worldwide, this would unite and inspire all Prabhupadnugas and also we would be able to make new devotees in these communities as we would have a practical place to apply the teachings of Prabhupada… cow protection…varnashrama dharma style living… so it is safe to conclude the bangalore management is compromised… or completely inept and incompetent to carry out Prabhupadas instructions. it’s one or the other…
Both favourable and unfavourable quotes from HDG. Srila Prabhupada regarding construction of a Temple in Vrndavana for disciples throughout the world to visit indicate its intent and purpose with the motive behind it.
If the intent and purpose of building a new temple either a small or large is not meant for purely propagating Krsna Consciousness, Srila Prabhupada totally disapproves and discourages it.
Now, the question remains that ;
” Is the project under discussion fall in the favourable category according to the Instructions of approval by HDG. Srila Prabhupada as it appears from its intent and purpose ? ”
The answer is obviously NO.
Because its intent and purpose is purely COMMERCIAL in the disguise of preaching KC.
Is it not TRUE ?
Hari BOL. AGTSP.
Prabhupad: […] So one of them, in Krishna consciousness movement, is village organization, as you are trying here. Krishna, in His natural life, is a village boy in Vrindāvana. Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes. In the śāstra it is said,
vrindāvanaṁ parityajya sa kvacin naiva gacchati [Laghu-bhāgavatāmṛta 1.5.461].
Krishna is so fond of that Vrindāvana village life, with His cowherd boys and cowherd girls, gopīs, mother Yaśodā, father Nanda, and Upananda, uncles, and big family, the cows and the calves, the trees, the Yamunā River. He is satisfied in that life. So at least those who are Krishna conscious, they should be satisfied with simple life in the village. That is part of Krishna consciousness.”
(Prabhupada Lecture. Gītā-Nagarī Farm July 16 1976)
Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes.
Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes.
Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes.
Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes.
Vrindāvana is a village. There is no factory, there is no motorcar, there is no big, big skyscraper buildings; it is village. That Krishna likes.
The skyscraper building in New York was different because New York is a place of skyscrapers, nothing out of place there…..