German Sacinandana Swami Exposed as Sahajiya

German Sacinanda (left) and his sweetie Radhanath (right)
the two greatest IskCon Sahajiya imitation Swamis

German Sacinandana Swami Exposed as Sahajiya
BY: JAGANNATH DAS

Nov 15, 2014 — RUSSIA (SUN) — I would like to present a very interesting conversation between Sacinandana Swami and Ramesh Babaji Maharaj. This video went viral after it was published by Ramesh Baba’s Maan Mandir account on YouTube, but was swiftly removed within one day. Luckily it was saved and uploaded again. It perfectly displays all the main features of a sahajiya movement within ISKCON:

• Not caring for Srila Prabhupada’s instructions not to associate with Radhakunda babajis (Letter to Nitai – Los Angeles, 7 June 1976)
• Insisting on feelings (as opposed to sastric quotes, sadhana and preaching)
• Desire to enjoy (hard work and pushing yourself and others for Srila Prabhupada is not considered pleasurable)
• Mayavadi oneness (discriminating shown as bad, all devotees need to be loved, doesn’t matter what nonsense or deviation are they engaged in)
• Only mentioning feelings to Radharani and feelings to material things (feelings toward Srila Prabhupada are nowhere to be found)
• Having discussions on extremely low intellectual level (it’s hard to believe that this is actually a disciple of the greatest preacher that came to western world, greatest senapati bhakta general Srila Prabhupada. Introductory books written by Srila Prabhupada such as Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers are unlimitedly more interesting than this conversation.)

It seems to be very hard, almost impossible to uproot sahajiyas from ISKCON, but at least we can show our disagreement by exposing them. And yes, you can laugh freely, this really looks like cheap soap opera.

VIDEO – Sacinandana Swami Exposed as Sahajiya –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjgGxHn1OXo

This Video is no longer available  due to a copyright
claim by Maan Mandir. (- update see below -)

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Video TranscriptRamesh Baba: I’m very lucky to see you!

Sacinandana Swami: Ha ha ha! Somehow you have chosen to give me your affection since a long time, and that affection is still, after a long time in your heart, and I also feel the same. I’ve visited you many years and you were always smiling on me, and I was always happy to feel your affection. Thank you very much! How is our lion of Braj? Health is…

Ramesh Baba: Small insect of Braj.

Sacinandana Swami: Ha ha ha! Hare Krishna! I was very, very happy when I listened to your talk in Govardhan, for two reasons. I like very much the bhava which you bring, this mood, like you sang: We only need Radharani! We only need Radharani! And you explained seven ashrayas which I have to go. I felt very, very happy and some almost like.. yes, great utsahan came in my heart. It was really a present which I took from that visit, that we only need Radharani. YES! It is true! I felt like this. And the second reason I was very happy that you pursue `The Yamuna cause` so strongly.

Ramesh Baba: Yes!

Sacinandana Swami: I am very happy and I am always telling Madayanti she should make that her main work because she has some political understanding, and she can, maybe, help in some ways.

Today I want to ask very important question for me. I was visiting your yatra and I immediately could feel, there was so much affection between the devotees. Somehow, by your guidance, you have created a very affectionate relationship among the devotees. You also spoke about this. On the first day you said: trnad api sunicena. There should be no fights. Everyone should be humble, and then the yatra will be successful. I noticed that because, as you know, I am a member of a movement and when I come and visit you, my first reason is: I come to visit a person who I like so much, but then I also look how is he doing everything to be so nice. Like this…That interest is there.

The second thing is – I’ve also noticed this bhava, so strong! It comes from you and your devotees picked it up, all these padayatris.

In my spiritual life I came to the level or to the understanding that I feel very strongly a need to feel like a relationship to Radha and Krishna; some sambandha. Because only then bhava can come. And I know, without bhava I (and I`m not speaking now about the stage before prema, just normal bhava) without this everything is just so much work and one needs to push himself and others.

So, if you could be so kind to speak a little bit on the subject matter of sambandha, or relationship to Radha and Krishna, and to feel some feelings there. Because if there are no feelings for Radha and Krishna, these feeling will be for the material things. I believe that is your secret you have, and I’m coming as a beggar to beg some bhava from you, or some instructions.

Ramesh Baba: Relationship with Sriji… the source of relationship is only that we should love the lovers of Radharani, devotees. And without love to the devotees, there is nothing. One cannot achieve anything.

The main difficulty in our Vaishnava communities: the friction of…”We are Gaudiya, he is European, he is English, he is Indian, he is Bengali, he is Maharashtri…” These all things are the hindrances of Bhakti Marga.

In Braja bhumi every yatra hates Bengalis, but we have great care and respect for Bengalis. There is no provinciality, no difference: sadhu, grihasti, there is no difference of caste, so the pure nectar of devotion runs in yatra.

There is no difference of money; “he is giving”, “he’s rich man”, “we expect something”. There is no difference. Everybody lives in the same tent and no facilities, lies on earth, sleeps on earth and the same food – prasad. Nothing superior in anything for anyone else. This is the main factor. No selfish motive from anybody.

Sacinandana Swami: Thank you. You have given very important instructions. First the relationship to devotees. Without that…

Ramesh Baba: It is quite impossible. If you are not loving devotee, it is impossible for anybody. Whether he is educated, or he is non-educated …

Sacinandana Swami: Yes, it makes a lot of sense. I think Sriji expects that Her devotees are full of daya, full of compassion, not full of bheda of making differences. Like always, you have given a lot of information in a short sentence.

Ramesh Baba: Everybody is narrow-minded. He is saint, he is grihasti, he is male gender, she is female gender, he is Gaudiya, he is ISKCON, he is not ISKCON…

Sacinandana Swami: (laugh of approval) Ja…

Sacinandana Swami: It seems, and I may ask question of this: I understand fully what you’ve said. I can see the truth in it, it seems that movements who have missionary goals in their eyes want money and they need money and they need people, and therefore because, they want to attain certain goals, they try to make their group strong so that they can reach their goals and at that time, they have this differentiation in there. I see that you, I know that you don’t want to make a big movement, but so many people come on your yatra, more than anyone, and there is this goshala with 30,000 cows are there, I mean, it is now becoming something very big. Ramesh baba is not longer just…

Ramesh Baba: At the beginning there was just 5 cows, and now there is 30 000, more then, and every day increasing.

Sacinandana Swami: Yes, yes, every day and no cow is sent away. So, somehow, Ramesh babaji has also become a really big organisation, he may not have wanted it but it is growing and still you are able to have no differentiation.

Don’t you sometimes come in situation that you say:” I want to attain this, I want Yamunaji to come back to Braj, I need to have some people who work on this and I need some money and they should not go anywhere else.” and then, I’m trying to say that in organizations who want to do good sometimes this idea of differentiation and “let’s keep our own people”, this is ISKCON, this is not ISKCON (laughter), and so on, that comes…

Ramesh Baba: That situation came with me also. Due to lack of money, 2 years before I announced no yatra will be held. But it was only false words. My heart was sing: “no! Yatra will run.” and see what happens, because people were giving money for help and they…

Some man: They were diverted actually.

Ramesh Baba: So our sources were… And without sources it was only a show. But who are saints living here, I called a meeting: “What should we do?” The saints answered that we will collect madhukari, begging, you know?

Sacinandana Swami: Yes, yes, a few chapatis.

Ramesh Baba: And more than 10 000 yatris we will fulfill. The program was made, “I will give you a Jeep, and ten saints in this village, ten in second village, ten in third village”. In this way, if we make more than 100 teams, that will be easy, no need of money, but Sriji gave the source, some money and it is again running.

Better to stop the yatra, not to share ? arrangement. We can not go doors to doors for donation. It is quite impossible.

Sacinandana Swami: Yes, Sriji has given you this nistha…

Ramesh Baba: Yatra is not a prestige point of Maan mandir. If it is not running, all right. As Sriji wants. If She is not wanting, stop that. We will collect madhukari, and not for begging money for anybody.

Sacinandana Swami: I very much admire your faith in Sriji and your absolute dependence on Her.

Ramesh Baba: The same is case is ? yatra. ? More than crores of rupies.

Man: Many crores.

Ramesh Baba: Means many dollars. But we don’t go for collection. This yatra is the biggest of the previous yatras. More than 15 000.

Man: Baba, more than 17 point something registrations are already there. But there are many, many devotees who come every year, never do registration, so they are more than 2000-3000, so approximately, more than 20,000 this year.

Ramesh Baba: And, panditji said: “Do not run yearly, it should run on donating years.”, but Radha can’t say no if run yearly.

Sacinandana Swami: I remember when you were in Kamyavan and you were protesting against the exploitation of the mountains, you said: “We are in the government of Radharani”. That’s out government. Alla Beli? Alla belli means government? I remember still.

Ramesh Baba: “You need government, Alla belli”.

Sacinandana Swami: Acca, yes, yes. I remember this. We are all trying to be devotees, when someone lives this full surrender: “We don’t need anyone else than Radharani, only Radharani’s will, the government of Radharani.”, this is a dream, which we all have to live on that level, but I think it’s only possible. You please correct me, but is my thinking correct, you can only make yourself totally dependent on Radharani and not make any own security arrangements when you are accepted like this by Radharani.

I want to give you an example: I had this very severe problem, shingle case, I came from Australia, and I had done my booking in the daily hospital. When I would come from Australia, I would go right into the daily hospital, Ayur Vedic hospital, for treating this problem, because it was so bad, the pain was so big, I couldn’t sleep for 3 weeks. It was really bad.

Then, I said, well, now I am in Delhi, I can’t go directly to the hospital, let me go to Vrindavan, to Radhakund, let me do some bhajan, then I’ll go to hospital. When I went to Radhakund, I felt, o Braj is so wonderful, do I really need to go to the hospital, and I said to myself, why don’t I follow Ramesh baba’s idea. Radharani is my hospital, I though like this, so for seven days, I didn’t go to the hospital, but I stayed at Radha-kund, and I was hoping I would be able to stay the whole day and Radharani would give her injections and take care.

But, the pain became just so bad and so strong that the devotees who were with me, said: “You must go to the hospital. ” Then, after one week, I went to the daily hospital and came back in the last week of Kartik.

So my question is: Does it work for everyone, that he says, Radharani is the only, I don’t need the hospital and daily, Radharani is the only government and so on or does it only work for Ramesh baba? I am sorry to ask this question, in German, I hope I’m not impolite in speaking.

Ramesh Baba: Such type of faith and concentration was with Prahlad ji. When he was burned in fire, and ultimate weapons were used for Prahlada. And more than atomic weapons. Dangers. Digaraj, the Deities who are holding the whole direction. They were brought by the order of Hiranyakasipu. And all were in vain, only Prahlada succeeded. Such type of faith is in the hand of Sri Ji, not in the hand of any man. Human bodied.

Sacinandana Swami: It has to be given by Sri ji.

Ramesh Baba: Yes, she will give you, a day will come. In the same way, My yatra is ?, when all finances were stopped, every help was stopped. But due to mercy of Radharani it is alive.

Sacinandana Swami: Practical proof. Practical proof. Yes. Thank you very much for your …

Ramesh Baba: If yatra is stopped, let it be stopped. But we are not going in the shelter of any rich person. If it is stopped, stop it.

Sacinandana Swami: Thank you very much, you satisfied my heart very much with your answers. Thank you very much. Very much appreciated, that you talked philosophically and practically. Yes. I understand.

Ramesh Baba: Locan bubble burst, and the wall was damaged. There are four walls in the heart, one of them was damaged. Eight doctors came here to see me, and they suggested for operation. But I was not in the mood of that. Better to die.

Sacinandana Swami: You have done many, many years of great seva here in Braj. You are very dear to Radharani. We can all see and respect that. Wonderful. Yes. No, we can all see it and we are very touched to see someone. And it was not easy, I remember, in the very begging when you stayed here, some bad people were coming with sticks. I believe, they didn’t want you to be here. I’ve heard something, and I was staying here for the month of Kartik. You had to pay the price to Radharani. I am staying here. I will do my …

Ramesh Baba: 60 years ago, Maan mandir was a place of dacoits.

Sacinandana Swami: And why did you come to Maan mandir?

Ramesh Baba: It was only one place in Vraja, alone, It was not occupied actually, and it was very sacred according to epics. No one was visiting this place because of dacoits. In the day, one can not come here in Maan Mandir. Daytime.

Sacinandana Swami: Night, no question? We thank you very much. We brought present from your dear beloved Sri ji, from Sri Ji Mandir this morning, she was wearing. Can I give? Thank you very, very much, we wish you all success. I will not take more of your time.

And thank you also for your kindness to allow us use your hall. I spoke today in the begging about your nistha, that the Holly name brings Krishna. Badri-vishal prabhu, he told me that ten months ago, the Deities in Sankit were actually stolen, and you were asked to make the installation or the prana pratistha ceremony for newly purchased Deities. And you said: “No, no. Better you do harinam and that will bring Krishna.” Then later, the Deity was found by some policemen who checked one man who was on a bicycle and he found out he had the bag with Deities on his bicycle. And this way by the chanting the Deity came back.

I told them: “This is Ramesh baba, who is giving us hall for this day, has said: “the Nam brings Radha and Krishna.”

I thank you very much, for your nistha, it is a great joy for all the Vaisnavas to hear what you say on the nistha and to see how you move. You are inspiring, not only the yatris but really everywhere, you give so much inspiration and especially because you don’t make this bheda. This difference. That is a very good point. Somehow your heart does not know “this Vaisnava, or that Vaisnava”. It is very good. We can all learn a lot from this example.

Thank you much. I will not take more of your time. You are studying, you are now with the sastras and I should not take more time. You’ve given already so much santosh to my heart. I wish you all the best. Good health, may you stay many years amongst us because we need good examples. We need such good examples.

With your permission, I will go.
Hare Krishna.

German Sacinanda – vs. – American Radhanath
            Sahajiya competition: who is the best imitator?

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1tw5UFZXM0

Sacinandana / Radhanatha Sahajiya Dancing

UPDATE: Sacinandana Swami removed our YouTube Video Link

Nov 23, 2014 — RUSSIA (SUN) — Things are getting interesting. Sacinandana Swami removed our YouTube video, linked from the previous post) with help of his friends from Maan Mandir. What are they hiding anyway? Sacinandana Swami’s disciples are quite open on Facebook about the fact that he is siksa disciple/friend/admirer of Ramesh baba. Devotee should be straightforward, and if you like Ramesh baba, you should be proud about it, not trying to hide it. Or maybe this is special lila only for senior disciples of Sacinandana Swami who understand the mood of their spiritual master.

In case our video is removed again, please use Vidme link or you can download movie directly from dropbox. If you download movie directly, you’ll need movie player, we recommend vlc (mac, windows, Linux). If none of these links work, contact us directly on Facebook, we will provide new link.

What is interesting is that Ramesh baba is actually not a disciple in any of the four bona fide sampradayas. Gaura prabhu asked on Facebook, “Who is Ramesh baba?” and the first logical question after that is, “Who is his guru?”. Oops, this post is probably going to disappear soon from Facebook due to Sacinandana Swami’s censorship. And because of that, we provided screenshots:

Gaura Das: Who is Ramesh Baba ? What Sampradaya is he with ? Who is his guru ? I have heard his name before but have never been educated about him I have seen a video of him giving his blessings to HH Sacinandana Swami on his birthday. I was also directed to this link:

This question was asked to Deena Bandhu prabhu who is living in Vrindavan for many years and can be considered expert on these matters. Well, his answer is quite amazing:

Deena Bandhu Das: Ramesh baba doesn’t have a bona fide spiritual master. Hilarious. Then, how can you be a bona fide representative of Krishna if you don’t have a spiritual master? Check his biography if you don’t believe me. The next logical question is: Why is ISKCON guru Sacinandana Swami associating with such a bogus sahajiya?

Well, I guess having a proper guru is not so important. You can be an advanced devotee even without guru. Otherwise, why would Sacinandana Swami associate with Ramesh baba? Bg 4.34 says: “Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.”. And another problem is that there are numerous other quotes from Srila Prabhupada about it. It seems that either Sacinandana Swami doesn’t know our philosophy, or, more likely, is deliberately twisting it. Why did Sacinandana Swami take initiation from Srila Prabhupada, he could have simply come to Radhakund and associate with Ramesh baba? I guess he needed Srila Prabhupada on lower stages of his spiritual advancement.

We are such beginners that we are quoting from Bhagavad-gita, not from some esoteric sastra, but what can be done? We don’t know any better since Srila Prabhupada didn’t introduce us to Radharani yet. Rather, he gave us book distribution and harinam in the footsteps of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

So, what message is Sacinandana Swami sending to his disciples and followers? “Having a bona fide spiritual master is not so important. As long as you have Radha bhakti, you are ok”. Then, why would anybody become a disciple of Sacinandana Swami? Why do we need guru at all? Let us all love Radha directly like Ramesh baba.

My humble suggestion is to stay at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada and his sincere followers, because they are the ones who saved us from the darkness of ignorance. Since many ISKCON devotees are living in the western countries, we would never be saved by Ramesh baba because of his vow: “Shri Baba Ji Maharaj has vowed to stay in Braj and leave his body in Braj only. He has not stepped out of Braj in past 62 years.” Srila Prabhupada also could have stayed in Vrindavan, but he didn’t.

ISKCON doesn’t need Ramesh baba and we don’t need his bogus teachings. Sacinandana Swami is losing touch with reality and the purpose of ISKCON. Please stay outside of ISKCON. I would also beg the GBC to save us from this impeding disaster. Let us cut them off from ISKCON before it’s too late. In my estimation of the political situation, the GBC will not do anything about this issue because there are many more ISKCON gurus who like to associate with various babas. The only thing left is that we choose our association carefully. And let us openly challenge Sacinandana Swami to refute this article on the basis of sastra.