Samadhi or SALT GRAVE ?

Marica:
When one offends the Supreme Personality of Godhead, karma immediately takes effect.”After saying this, he recited two verses from revealed scripture.
(Madhya 15.268.)
In your opinion why is this differently in the case of the bogus gurus and the killers?

Mahesh:
Karma is ONGOING. There are 4 stages. And sometimes the fruits are not manifest. Just like a seed is planted grows then you see leaves then flowers THEN fruit. So it is not all of a sudden you see the results of karma frutify.

721106ND.VRN                 Lectures
Pradyumna: “It is stated in the Padma-Purana that there are four kinds of effects to sinful activities, which are listed as follows: (1) the effect which is not yet fructified, (2) the effect which is lying as seed, (3) the effect which is already mature, and (4) the effect which is almost mature. It is also stated that all these four effects…”
Prabhupada: Kuta-stha-bija, prarabdha… Like that. This is, these are the… Our effects. Just like we can understand in the modern… Just like if you infect some disease, it becomes immediately kuta-stha. Kuta-stha means stocked. In due course of time, it will come out, manifest. Similarly, we are acting so many sinful activities. Sometimes they complain that “This man is committing so many sinful activities, but he’s happy.” But actually he’s enjoying the effects of his past something pious. Now he’s happy, but that effect of the impious activities, that is in stock. It will come out in due course of time. That is called kuta-stha. Kuta-stha phalonmukha, prarabdha. These are the Sanskrit language. That is being explained here. Go on.

Pradyumna: “It is also stated that all these four effects become immediately vanquished for those who surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu, and become engaged in His devotional service in full Krsna consciousness.”
Prabhupada: Yes. This, these four kinds of stages of sinful activities, in stock, almost fructified, manifest, all the stages of sinful activities can be immediately nullified. Because it is assured by Krsna, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. It is not imagination. If we believe in the words of Krsna, then there is no question of denying this fact. Krsna personally says, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksa… Sarva-papebhyo. The kuta-stha, phalonmukha, prarabdha, everything, it become immediately nullified, simply by this process, by surrendering: “Krsna, I, I was mistaken. I got…, forgot your mastership; You are my eternal Lord. So I was bewildered. I was wandering. Now I have come to my senses. I surrender unto You sincerely. You accept me.” This very thing will give you immediately protection from all sinful activities. Krsna says,

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami…

So where is the difficulty? Let us surrender to Krsna and execute His will, whatever He… Surrender means I must be prepared to execute the will of Krsna; not my whims, but Krsna’s will. The Krsna’s will is that you become Krsna’s devotee. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru. Where is the difficulty? You surrender unto Him, and He assures, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te. Immediately he becomes relieved from the effects of illusory energy. So there is no difficulty, not at all difficulty. Let us immediately become surrendered to Krsna’s lotus feet. Think of Him always. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah, to become His devotee, always think of Him. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru. “Always worship Me. Always offer obeisances.” These are the four principles. Anyone can do it. There is no restriction for any caste, creed, nation. Everyone. It is open to the human being. So if we actually want to be happy, we must take to Krsna consciousness. There is no alternative. That is our point. Yes? Go on.
Pradyumna: “Those effects described as ‘almost mature’ refer to the distress from which one is suffering at present, and the effects ‘lying as seed’ means that in the core of the heart there is a certain stock of sinful desires which are like seeds. The Sanskrit word kutam means that they are almost ready to produce the seed, or the effect of the seed. And ‘immature effect’ refers to the case where the seedling has not begun. From this statement of Padma-Purana it is understood that material contamination is very subtle. Its beginning, its fruition and results, and how one suffers such results in the form of distress, are part of a great chain. When one catches some disease, it is very…, it is often very difficult to ascertain the cause of the disease, where it originated and how it is maturing. The suffering of a disease, however, does not appear all of a sudden. It actually takes time. And, as in the medical field, for precaution’s sake, the doctor injects a vaccination to prevent the growing of contamination, similarly, the practical injection to stop all the fructifications of the seeds of our sinful activities is simply engagement in Krsna consciousness.”

Marica:
Yes,  that is true let’s say in the case of the bogus gurus. But Srila Prabhupada’s disciples “killed” the Spiritual Master. So the effect should be immediately.
“That night Amogha, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya’s son-in-law, fled, and in the morning he immediately fell sick with Cholera.” (Madhya 15.266.)  or
‘When a person mistreats great souls, his life span, opulence, reputation, religion, possessions and good fortune are all destroyed.’ (Madhya 15.270.)

However the killers actually are ( and will be ) buried  in holy place. Why?

Mahesh:
This is also Maya’s trick – because they will be put in SALT grave. They are imitating Vaisnava samadhi where body is put in salt to preserve. The dust of Holy place does NOT touch the bodies of these BIG sinners.
If the body was cremated then they can put bones in Ganges. This means the soul can get to Heaven.
BUT since Ganges does NOT touch their bones – so the sinful souls can NOT even go to heavenly planets.

Krsna plays with the demons:

     SB 7.8.26 T Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
O Yudhisthira, O great son of Bharata, when Lord Nrsimhadeva gave Hiranyakasipu a chance to slip from His hand, just as Garuda sometimes plays with a snake and lets it slip from his mouth, the demigods, who had lost their abodes and who were hiding behind the clouds for fear of the demon, did not consider that incident very good. Indeed, they were perturbed.

Purport:
When Hiranyakasipu was in the process of being killed by Lord Nrsimhadeva, the Lord gave the demon a chance to slip from His clutches. This incident was not very much appreciated by the demigods, for they were greatly afraid of Hiranyakasipu. They knew that if somehow or other Hiranyakasipu escaped from Nrsimhadeva’s hands and saw that the demigods were looking forward to his death with great pleasure, he would take great revenge upon them. Therefore they were very much afraid.

SB 7.8.27 T Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
When Hiranyakasipu was freed from the hands of Nrsimhadeva, he falsely thought that the Lord was afraid of his prowess. Therefore, after taking a little rest from the fight, he took up his sword and shield and again attacked the Lord with great force.

Purport:
WHEN A SINFUL MAN ENJOYS MATERIAL FACILITIES, FOOLISH PEOPLE SOMETIMES THINK, “HOW IS IT THAT THIS SINFUL MAN IS ENJOYING WHEREAS A PIOUS MAN IS SUFFERING?” BY THE WILL OF THE SUPREME, A SINFUL MAN IS SOMETIMES GIVEN THE CHANCE TO ENJOY THE MATERIAL WORLD AS IF HE WERE NOT UNDER THE CLUTCHES OF MATERIAL NATURE, JUST SO THAT HE MAY BE FOOLED. A sinful man who acts against the laws of nature must be punished, but sometimes he is given a chance to play, exactly like Hiranyakasipu when he was released from the hands of Nrsimhadeva. Hiranyakasipu was destined to be ultimately killed by Nrsimhadeva, but just to see the fun, the Lord gave him a chance to slip from His Hands.

SB 9.8.28     The Sons of Sagara Meet Lord Kapiladeva
The Personality of Godhead said: My dear Amsuman, here is the animal sought by your grandfather for sacrifice. Please take it. As for your forefathers, who have been burnt to ashes, they can be delivered only by Ganges water, and not by any other means.

SB 9.9.10    The Diyasty of Amsuman
The great and saintly king Bhagiratha brought the Ganges, which can deliver all the fallen souls, to that place on earth where the bodies of his forefathers lay burnt to ashes.

SB 9.9.11
Bhagiratha mounted a swift chariot and drove before mother Ganges, who followed him, purifying many countries, until they reached the ashes of Bhagiratha’s forefathers, the sons of Sagara, who were thus sprinkled with water from the Ganges.

SB 9.9.12
Because the sons of Sagara Maharaja had offended a great personality, the heat of their bodies had increased, and they were burnt to ashes. BUT SIMPLY BY BEING SPRINKLED WITH WATER FROM THE GANGES, ALL OF THEM BECAME ELIGIBLE TO GO TO THE HEAVENLY PLANETS. WHAT THEN IS TO BE SAID OF THOSE WHO USE THE WATER OF MOTHER GANGES TO WORSHIP HER?

Purport:
Mother Ganges is worshiped by the water of the Ganges: a devotee takes a little water from the Ganges and offers it back to the Ganges. When the devotee takes the water, mother Ganges does not lose anything, and when the water is offered back, mother Ganges does not increase, but in this way the worshiper of the Ganges is benefited. Similarly, a devotee of the Lord offers the Lord patram puspam phalam toyam–a leaf, flower, fruit or water–in great devotion, but everything, including the leaf, flower, fruit and water, belongs to the Lord, and therefore there is nothing to renounce or to accept. One must simply take advantage of the bhakti process because by following this process one does not lose anything but one gains the favor of the Supreme Person.

Marica:
If these sinful souls not fall before Srila Prabhupada’s Lotus Feet, they will be LOST FOREVER.