Hare Krsna to all, Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Yesterday on Lord Balarams Appearance day at the Sri Sri Krsna Balarama Temple in New Westminster BC Canada, three new bhaktas took first initiation from Srila Prabhupada via his officiating acarya system of ritvik priests.
Not less than 30 devotees were present, and everyone had a great time-even thru the smoke filled temple room. His Grace Yasoda Nandan Prabhu presided over the fire sacrifice.
The new devotees names are Vidura Mahatma dasa, Ananta Vijaya dasa, and Ananda devi dasi. It is said that after this ceremony all ones past sins are lifted, and anyone could see how happy each of the new bhaktas looked.
We put these announcements out to the devotee world at large so that they can see– that Srila Prabhupada’s original Hare Krsna movement is STILL going on and– increasing daily.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA5ILk-IkdY
Param Vijayte Sri Krsna Sankirtan
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Damaghosa das
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#3) https://youtu.be/71z-dHv3Izg
#4) http://youtu.be/UkkvLqBenTM
#5) https://youtu.be/b806ZwKDu-I
#8) http://youtu.be/um5jYPq30C0
#9) https://youtu.be/UOJDfA7Q9Io
#11) http://youtu.be/sUDyfowl3F8
#12) http://youtu.be/zOyI800OMRQ
Kirtan at Vancouver Krishna Balaram Mandir:
https://www.facebook.com/vancouverkrishnabalaram/videos/10153473163426251/?l=855086795317063864
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Srila Prabhupada’s letter of July 9th:
The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.
The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
We read this ; ” The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book. “.
Based on the above, the followings become the concern which needs to be addressed ;
a. Who has Srila Prabhupada’s ” Initiated Disciples ” book ?
b. Who is writing and keeping such record and WHERE ?
Can some body please shed some light on the above mentioned questions ?
Amar Puri :
a. Who has Srila Prabhupada’s ” Initiated Disciples ” book ?
b. Who is writing and keeping such record and WHERE ?
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Mahesh: Last person who kept the Initiated Disciples book was Tamal Krsna Gunda as Srila Prabhupada’s Secretary he did the entering of names. BUT he had ulterior motives and want to get rid of Srila Prabhupada hence, afrer giving poison to Srila Prabhupada this entering the names in Initiated Disciples book was NOT maintained. The DEMONS were Anti Ritvik CROOKS so they did NOT want Srila Prabhupada.
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I’m maintaining of all of your disciples’ names? Should I continue that?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
You know that book I’m maintaining of all of your disciples names? Should I continue that?
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Room Conversation
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July 7, 1977, Vṛndāvana
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything was “probably” in their books.
Prabhupāda: “Probably,” “maybe.”
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those are their favorite words. Śrīla Prabhupāda? We’re receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait.
Prabhupāda: The local, mean, senior sannyāsīs can do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s what we were doing… I mean, formerly we were… The local GBC, sannyāsīs, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed, or should we…? I mean one thing is that it’s said that the spiritual master takes on the… You know, he takes on the… He has to cleanse the disciple by… So we don’t want that you should have to… Your health is not so good, so that should not be… That’s why we’ve been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time.
Prabhupāda: No, the senior sannyāsīs…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they should continue to…
Prabhupāda: You can give me a list of sannyāsīs. I will mark who will…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.
Prabhupāda: You can do. Kīrtanānanda can do. And our Satsvarūpa can do. So these three, you can give, begin.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kīrtanānanda or Satsvarūpa?
Prabhupāda: Nearby. Jayatīrtha can give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayatīrtha.
Prabhupāda: Bhavānan…, er, Bhagavān. And he can do also. Harikeśa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And… Five, six men, you divide who is nearest.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn’t have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace’s behalf. Those persons who are initiated are still your…
Prabhupāda: Second initiation we shall think over, second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for first initiation, okay. And for second initiation, for the time being they should…
Prabhupāda: No, they have to wait. Second initiation, that should be given…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should… Some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I’m writing them to wait a while because you’re not well. So can I continue to tell them that?
Prabhupāda: They can do second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By writing you.
Prabhupāda: No. These men.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there’s no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I’m maintaining of all of your disciples’ names? Should I continue that?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikeśa Mahārāja, he should send the person’s name to us here and I’ll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in India that you want to do this?
Prabhupāda: India, I am here. We shall see. In India, Jayapatākā.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: You are also in India.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You can note down these names.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have them.
Prabhupāda: Who are they?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, Jayatīrtha Prabhu, Bhagavān Prabhu, Harikeśa Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: That’s nice. Now you distribute.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven. There’s seven names.
Prabhupāda: For the time being, seven names, sufficient. You can make Rāmeśvara.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāmeśvara Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And Hṛdayānanda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. South America.
Prabhupāda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right… That will depend on discretion.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On discretion.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s for first and second initiations.
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Shall I send a kīrtana party, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Yasodanandana Prabhu is doing POSITIVE service here for Srila Prabhupada. Many devotees were thrown out of ISKCON because they did not agree with the ANTI RITVIK MANIPULATIVE SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING CROOKS TAKE-OVER. So it is VERY appreciating to see that Yasodanandana Prabhu still carrying on the mission of SERVING Srila Prabhupada living OUTSIDE of official ISKCON. Lots of devotees thrown out were back in maya but some took to POSITIVE service – this shows IF you WANT TO do it YOU CAN. The SERVICE to Srila Prabhupada is there if you WANT to SERVE him. Life is short and full of disturbances—and FULL OF SUFFERING. The ONLY way out of this material world is SERVICE to Srila Prabhupada. There is NO other alternative:
Note: It is said that service to a mahātmā, or elevated devotee of the Lord, is dvāram āhur vimukteḥ, the royal road of liberation.
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: “The Status Quo” : SB 3.25: The Glories of Devotional Service : SB 3.25.20 : PURPORT :
Mahātmā is a synonym of sādhu. It is said that service to a mahātmā, or elevated devotee of the Lord, is dvāram āhur vimukteḥ, the royal road of liberation. Mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimuktes tamo-dvāraṁ yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam (Bhāg. 5.5.2). Rendering service to the materialists has the opposite effect. If anyone offers service to a gross materialist, or a person engaged only in sense enjoyment, then by association with such a person the door to hell is opened.
Note: In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (5.5.2) it is said, mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimukteḥ: if one associates with a saintly person, a devotee, one’s path of liberation becomes clear.
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: “The Creation of the Fourth Order” : SB 4.25: The Descriptions of the Characteristics of King Puranjana : SB 4.25.62 : PURPORT :
The word vipralabdhaḥ is very significant in this verse. Vi means “specifically,” and pralabdha means “obtained.” Just to satisfy his desires, the King got the Queen, and thus he became cheated by material existence. Although he was not willing to do so, he remained a pet animal under the control of material intelligence. Just as a pet monkey dances according to the desires of its master, the King danced according to the desires of the Queen. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (5.5.2) it is said, mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimukteḥ: if one associates with a saintly person, a devotee, one’s path of liberation becomes clear. But if one associates with a woman or with a person who is too much addicted to a woman, his path of bondage becomes completely clear.
Note:July 9th 1977 Ritvik is THE Order and PRIDE of the disciple. THIS MUST BE FOLLOWED. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 1: The Spiritual Masters : Adi 1.35 : PURPORT :
The service of the spiritual master is essential. If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no difference between the spiritual master’s instructions and the spiritual master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
This Initiations are under EMERGENCY you can NOT expect that under EMERGENCY the names MUST be entered in Srila Prabhupada’s Initiated Disciples book:
The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42180
“A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
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Tamala Krsna: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there’s no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. BUT ALL THESE PERSONS ARE STILL YOUR DISCIPLES. ANYBODY WHO GIVES INITIATION IS DOING SO ON YOUR BEHALF.
Prabhupada: YES.
Tamala Krsna: YOU KNOW THAT BOOK I’M MAINTAINING OF ALL OF YOUR DISCIPLES’ NAMES? SHOULD I CONTINUE THAT?
PRABHUPADA: Hmmmm
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The answer of my two questions are found in the above mentioned conversation particularly in the statement of question from Tamala Krsna when he asks from Srila Prabhupada ;
Tamala Krsna ; YOU KNOW THAT BOOK I’M MAINTAINING OF ALL OF YOUR DISCIPLES’ NAMES? SHOULD I CONTINUE THAT?
And the answer from;
Srila Prbhupada ; Hmmmm…….
Knowing what we know now that Tamala Krsna being one of the main culprit himself did not follow Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions. Therefore, maintaining all of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples names in Srila Prabhupada’s recommended book was no longer possible as the norm because TKG and his Master mind associates ushered the position of Gurus themselves as a replacement of Srila Prabhupada after his departure from this mundane world.
However, the various Ritvik Temple Presidents world wide should maintain a book, some sort of a record as desired by Srila Prabhupada, with them regarding the newly Initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you, Mahesh Raja Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.